Butcher probably thinking he owes soldier boy an apology right now😂
@camerongreene3357
Ай бұрын
Too fucking little, too fucking late 😂
@3takoyakis
Ай бұрын
God, this show is so dead after that betrayal to soldierboy
@joel5135
Ай бұрын
@@3takoyakis only for weird egdelords who can't relate to butchers Feelings for ryan
@Mrikeepgettinmoneyagain
Ай бұрын
Ryan showed no remorse for what he did, it wouldn’t be surprising to me that the grape baby inherited some sick disposition for lacking compassion.
@joel5135
Ай бұрын
@@Mrikeepgettinmoneyagain Bro No offense but you are stuck in the middle age. Using "grape Baby" as an insult is fkn pathetic
@iwishihadgoodinternet7766
Ай бұрын
Grace f'ed up this one. Discussing all that critical info in front of someone who has SUPER HEARING, and springing all that lecture in one go.
@johnwayne8494
Ай бұрын
You might even say she wasn't...graceful
@ray-chan9885
Ай бұрын
Nice
@yanosneverloses1147
Ай бұрын
I get the assassination attempt on Singer causing her to rush it, but Ryan himself still calls her Aunt Grace and then says he’d come back later after he’d thought about it (which he would have done). She made him hit maximum stress which is why he killed her, not out of hate
@harrylarry6324
Ай бұрын
@@yanosneverloses1147 And tbf, she also made threats that very heavily applied that she was attempting to trap him in there as well. Grace was being an A grade idiot.
@Yoxhio_
Ай бұрын
there is no time left for taking it slow. she fumbled but this is the last stand. plus ryan most likely wasn't gonna be good regardless, he has seen and heard everything his dad has done yet he still wants to be with him. its been over for him
@bobjones5370
Ай бұрын
can we all agree that if Mallory let butcher cook and not get in the way none of this shit would have happened?
@johnwayne8494
Ай бұрын
"Cook"? Nah bro she was a skibidi rizzler. She no cap coulda turned Ryan from being ohio.
@capitaofeeble
Ай бұрын
@@johnwayne8494 WHAT THE HELL GET OUTA HERE
@papafishy7133
Ай бұрын
@@capitaofeeble save me from this brain rot
@renevil2105
Ай бұрын
@@johnwayne8494 nah she a woman that jump the gun and can't keep her emotions in line with the goal now she let kid become brightburn.
@DrAhzek
Ай бұрын
@@johnwayne8494 Brainrot spreads like wildfire I see...what a poor soul you are xD
@camerongreene3357
Ай бұрын
Butcher realizing he axed soldier boy for nothing 😂
@joel5135
Ай бұрын
Homelander would probably done it himself. There is No way he would just stand there and do nothing 😂
@DAWKINGZ1
Ай бұрын
@@joel5135 Like Soldier boy would do nothing? He'd probably beat his ass, considering homelander is a kid in adults body
@moe5020
Ай бұрын
@@DAWKINGZ1 I mean he would try but without back up Soldier Boy would lose badly and considering he just hit ryan it would be worse then herogasm Homelander would have torn him in half.
@AaronYogurt-hm3xq
Ай бұрын
@@DAWKINGZ1 sometimes I wonder did people like you even watch the damn show. "He would probably beat Homelander, because he's just a crybaby", like we didn't literally have that fight a few episodes prior with Homelander overpowering SB, V'd up Butcher and V'd up Hughie at the same time. It's well established that Homelander is the top of the verse power-wise, he was literally created to be superior to Soldier Boy. Soldier Boy couldn't take him alone it shouldn't be even a debate anymore, his fans need to hop off his meat
@mdstudios7549
Ай бұрын
@@AaronYogurt-hm3xqok but homelander would have losed against soldier boy, maeve and butcher at the same time, also the only thing that soldier boy needs is to laser him with his power and homelander would have lost all of his powers
@C.Frankenstein13
Ай бұрын
Soldier boy: " everything you wanted, and now you blink? " butcher probably thinking i messed up.
@Burning_flames9999
Ай бұрын
Yeah I was literally expecting to see Soldiern Boy right next to Kessler lmao
@Catarssis347
Ай бұрын
@@Burning_flames9999A Soldier boy alucination at the end of this scene would have been great. Or Kessler saying that exact words to him.
@Cricketlive12349
Ай бұрын
Grace is really dead?
@IH4veNIde4
Ай бұрын
@@Cricketlive12349 yes bro her neck was broke 😭
@newhybrid101
Ай бұрын
Nah the whole ending was bad. Butcher was right about not killing the kid,they should calm down and focus on Homelander again. You dont kill an 11 year old kid because he "might" go bad. That was the problem,not that Butcher didnt let Soldier Boy finishing Ryan. Ryan was knocked out,one of them should take him away,while the others were holding Homelander and then return to finish Homelander. One day the kid would understand,and if not then find a way to remove his powers without killing him You are all just edgy and want to kill a kid
@earlykyler2165
Ай бұрын
I’m not sure why Ryan is surprised that HL doesn’t care about killing humans when he talked to him multiple times about humans being fragile playthings that don’t matter.
@robinouuuuuuuu
Ай бұрын
It's his father and he is a child
@mac2312
Ай бұрын
This show is just bad now
@DragonOfTheMortalKombat
Ай бұрын
@@mac2312 you're literally saying that after quite possibly the best episode of the series. You don't like it ? Womp womp.
@@DragonOfTheMortalKombat best episode that's a bit far fetched don't you think mate
@quangvinh5202
Ай бұрын
It's rare to see Butcher being the voice of reason.
@jonathan13co
Ай бұрын
No it isnt? Have you even watched the show? He is always right. His methods are just a bit extreme, but definitely reasonable considering who they are up against. The boys cant get sht done without him. I think what you meant to say is its rare seeing him approach things less dramatically. Buts its not surprising, because he always knows what to do.
@hazyworld8626
Ай бұрын
@@jonathan13coAlways right is slightly stretching it, His methods ARE extreme but reasonable given who they're dealing with. Being the voice is reason is rare since Butcher is a bad person, Supe Genocide, blew up a baby having no idea it had powers, killing Mesmer who didn't really post a threat (he already got the info he needed out of him, and was as scared of Vought as anyone else). But Butcher's ways are a necessity evil to Homelander. Butcher himself is aware and sees himself as a piece of shit.
@Marvelfanatic3658
Ай бұрын
@@jonathan13coButcher does get shit done but saying he's "always right" implies you don't know much about the show
@fadingship935
Ай бұрын
@@jonathan13co Always right? Are you sure YOU watched the show? He left MM and Frenchie to die just to hurt Homelander's feelings. He didn't want Kimiko on the team. He didnt want Hughie to date and get intimate with Starlight. If it was up to Butcher, Kimiko wouldnt be on the team, Starlight would be on Vought side and The Boys would be dead in season 1.
@yevgeniyaleshchenko849
Ай бұрын
@@jonathan13co Have you watched finale? Was Buther right when he did that in the end?
@EX7Sonic
Ай бұрын
Butcher's decision to not let Solider Boy off Ryan and Homeland looks dumber and dumber as each episode goes on.
@unfortunate1313
Ай бұрын
We have to let the show run 2 more seasons! Said the producers, probably.
@expiredmilk5435
Ай бұрын
@@unfortunate1313I thought s5 was the last one
@patrikgajcevic8123
Ай бұрын
@@expiredmilk5435 and that happened in season 3? Dumbass
@joserios4409
Ай бұрын
@@expiredmilk5435 It is. That guy was joking about how season 3 could've been the series finale had Butcher let Soldier Boy fight Homelander.
@ludo974amv9
Ай бұрын
Exactly now that's dumb choice now this choice made butcher crack he killed Neumann made their plan fail again and Homelander's camp wins again, so many bad choices the last season had better be perfect because it's ridiculous
@dannypitcherenterprises2414
Ай бұрын
Honestly this was on Grace, she got emotional, laid all that shit on Ryan in one go and should've let him go.
@PawiYT
Ай бұрын
Ryan could’ve literally slightly push her and she could’ve fell lol, he literally wanted to murder her. and let’s not forget he cried and moped about killing Koy to butcher but did not give flying fuck about Grace who he called auntie 😂😂😂
@John-ru2gq
Ай бұрын
@@PawiYT He didn't want to murder her. You have remember he is young and emotional and hasn't learned to control his powers yet
@moe5020
Ай бұрын
@@PawiYT Grace literally just screamed in his face about his dad r@ping his mom and tried to get him to kill his dad and she would imprison him if he didn't. any kid would have this reaction which is bad for the idiot doing it if that kid can lift a truck. Grace did it to herself to stupid to live
@Adi-mk2lq
Ай бұрын
@@PawiYT that was a slight push from ryan, he just didn't hold back enough, if he fully pushed her she would have painted the wall red
@WisnuNurAlam
Ай бұрын
@@Adi-mk2lq Yeah, bro forgot that one dude who got killed by Ryan because of not so serious push
@richardsantosgarcia8972
Ай бұрын
Grace utterly ruined this for everyone. In her desperation she ended up seeing Ryan as a weapon first and a kid second and paid the ultimate price for it. Butcher was truly reaching up to the kid, she only needed a bit of patience, Ryan literally said that he would be back, just asked for a little time to process everything.
@machaolesplendide
Ай бұрын
You have to be huge pos to defend a psychopath
@vipwanrinkle6439
Ай бұрын
I understand where she was coming from bc of the whole assassination attempt and everything but she let her emotions take over way too much which basically made Ryan feel like he was cornered and now butcher is gonna be a ruthless killer next season
@richardsantosgarcia8972
Ай бұрын
@@vipwanrinkle6439 Pretty much indeed
@Lowkenn_Edits
Ай бұрын
If she had just let Ryan go. He would of came back in time. Kid was just told that his father is like the devil and that he would be used like a soilder to kill him. For a kid that is a lot of information to process. A lot of kids first emotion when in distress is to turn to anger. I don't think Ryan will be the next Homelander. He just needs to process and figure out how to deal with his father and himself.
@MynameisBrianZX
Ай бұрын
Unfortunately that just wasn't in her nature. As CIA and founder of the Boys, all she did was turn life tragedies into weapons, and she was trying to do this to Ryan despite genuinely loving him. It didn't work out the way she wanted because of her hesitation, but Ryan still learned that ruthless killing is the way of a world that wants to weaponize him, going further down the path of Homelander and Soldier Boy.
@amitkenan3878
Ай бұрын
She was stressed. As they speak, Homelander has begun to take over the White House. Once he completes the coup, she would lose her resources to fight him
@Yoriichi_Tsugikuni___
Ай бұрын
I think the kid would have turned great if Mallory had just stfu and let butcher do his thing but now, his adoptive parents lied to him, tried to capture him and turn him into a soldier to fcking kill his dad and Ryan killed Mallory, in top of what homelander has put in his head i think it’s not likely that Ryan is going to be a good guy
@user-tm4zs8rq1d
Ай бұрын
@@Yoriichi_Tsugikuni___nah, Ryan will still oppose to Homelander, because there is incompatible clashes in their ideologies, but now Ryan will just do not trust Butcher either
@prabalmohanta138
Ай бұрын
Stop justifying ryans actions
@spinozilla2421
Ай бұрын
Bruh Grace really fumble the bag and couldn’t just let Butcher cook. Clearly the slow and steady approach was route to take, rushing all that info into the kid telling him to kill his dad who is his last parents when he still feels incredibly guilty in accidentally killing his mother wasn’t going to end well
@MegaGoku49
Ай бұрын
I would say even though she died for it I think Ryan will realize that when he witnesses his father's brutality in season 5 he'll notice that Grace was truthful and he'll go against his father
@maliktp13
Ай бұрын
@@MegaGoku49That's my thought. Time will pass and once he sees what homelander operates, his mother's side will win out and he'll become a real hero. I do wonder if they'll keep the ending where hughie confronts butcher alone or will Ryan also be there.
@Prince.Claveria
Ай бұрын
For real man, no cap. my blud Grace really fumbled that one and took the L from my homeboy Ryan. She tryna fanum tax her from his diddy daddy and got cooked instead. Butcher was a skidibi rizzler doing nothing like only in Ohio goofy ahh...
@Hanson032
Ай бұрын
Women am I right
@KKSBETRAY
Ай бұрын
@@Hanson032man butcher literally told Ryan to go kys and said he killed his mom like last season.
@justinguyos5476
Ай бұрын
Kessler: I warned you. No matter what misplaced hopes you had in him, he is ultimately his father’s kid.
@thedreamscripter4002
Ай бұрын
Yeah - Ryan was cornered and pushed into emotional instability up to the point when he hit Grace too hard, not learned yet how to control his powers. Baaaaaaad Ryan, baaaaaaad - it is certainly not Grace and Butcher's fault.
@user-tm4zs8rq1d
Ай бұрын
@@thedreamscripter4002yeah, Kessler just manipulates with Butcher
@LemonRectangle
Ай бұрын
This enabled him so bad lmaoo
@justinguyos5476
Ай бұрын
@@thedreamscripter4002 actually it was all Grace’s fault. Butcher was right that it is still too soon to drop such heavy stuff on the kid. He was already reaching out to Ryan, giving him the support that Homelander couldn’t. But Grace ended up being too desperate and saw Ryan as a weapon first, kid second. If she just shut up and let the kid go so that he can see firsthand how horrible Homelander is, she wouldn’t be dead right now.
@justinguyos5476
Ай бұрын
@@thedreamscripter4002 actually it was all Grace’s fault. Butcher was right that it is still too soon to drop such heavy stuff on the kid. He was already reaching out to Ryan, giving him the support that Homelander couldn’t. But Grace ended up being too desperate and saw Ryan as a weapon first, kid second. If she just shut up and let the kid go so that he can see firsthand how horrible Homelander is, she wouldn’t be dead right now.
@proskeptical789
Ай бұрын
There’s a nice subtle detail there she didn’t splatter on the wall like the stuntman did earlier when he told Ryan to use more force. He still tried to just push her away
@silence_dais
Ай бұрын
It's understandable too, he just did what any kid would do when given that much to hear. He just wanted her to stop but his emotions made him lose control.
@LordVentality
Ай бұрын
its cuz she aint dead. she is just knocked she will be back i bet 50 bucks.
@kingstarscream3807
Ай бұрын
@@LordVentality You can see her neckbones protruding against her skin. She dead.
@ant2901
Ай бұрын
@@LordVentalitydid you not see her neck. There’s bone poking out lol she dead dead and he didn’t even look remorseful
@LordVentality
Ай бұрын
@@ant2901 okay I did not notice the damage.
@DjunjiD
Ай бұрын
I like how Butcher only softly protested when Grace mentions Flight 37, but then yells as she starts to talk about Becca. He knows how precious her memory is to Ryan, and doesn’t want to tarnish it in any way.
@AnonYmous-mc5zx
Ай бұрын
Hard not to sympathize with Ryan when they literally tried to Black Site him.
@user-tm4zs8rq1d
Ай бұрын
Yeah, this is how kids under divorce and fighting parents feel like
@gummyworms9329
Ай бұрын
Ryan is super strong he could jsut walk past her, he was mad he wanted to hurt her, disgusting
@zahin1227
Ай бұрын
@@gummyworms9329after hearing all that would you not feel the same?your not special you would do the same
@thewickerflicker7362
Ай бұрын
With that voice of his of course you can and questionable biology
@TankGamingADHD
Ай бұрын
@@gummyworms9329 You gotta realise tho, this is a kid who is one of the most powerful beings of all time and they drop a bomb shell of him that explains his dads full intentions and his own mother was r*ped, bare in mind he accidentally killed her so all of this is 100% gonna make a 13 year old extremely distressed. on top of that he realises hesbeing set up and about to be put in a cage unless he fights his only biological blood left being Homelander who is the most terrifying person ever. They should of let Ryan come to his own decision which i almost certain he would eventually come around with confidence but Grace pushed it to far. However by now Ryan should know his strength by now and killing Mallory was still extremly uncalled for.
@jankitharun.d5305
Ай бұрын
Ryan about to be grounded by Butcher with his new powers
@johnwayne8494
Ай бұрын
Butcher is going to give Ryan his worm(FBI open up)
@MegaGoku49
Ай бұрын
@@johnwayne8494nah if anything they're going after Karl Urban for slapping a underage female in the face with his man chess tentacles.. didn't you watch the episode?
@excalibur2596
Ай бұрын
@@johnwayne8494☠️☠️☠️
@thewolf9851
Ай бұрын
@@johnwayne8494Don't be like frenchie
@Jorod444
Ай бұрын
@@thewolf9851 what do u mean?
@buhklao
Ай бұрын
Butcher shoulda told grace to get the fuck out and let him talk to Ryan alone and Ryan mighta understood She rushed the hell out of him with all that info to the point that even if he saw the signs HL was kinda kooky, it was so much info dumping it seemed surreal
@ZEE_130
Ай бұрын
Actually that would have been a good scene I can totally see that happen if they did it ur way I like that 😊
@MiketheNerdRanger
Ай бұрын
At least now she won't have to live with her failure
@MrDibara
Ай бұрын
@@MiketheNerdRanger *Some consolation! Lady won't reflect back on how she acted and pressured Ryan because she's dead.* 😑 Phrasing it like that, it sounds like she just escaped responsability.
@MiketheNerdRanger
Ай бұрын
@@MrDibara I was sorta being flippant, but yeah. I mean, she still died, which isn't ideal, but man, did she screw up big time.
@buhklao
Ай бұрын
@@MrDibara there's a saying about life threatening jobs "either it works out or it becomes not my problem anymore"
@airdrifter7651
Ай бұрын
I'm not gonna lie, her just spilling all of that in one go felt so forced, it felt so outta character for Mallory to just do that
@8BITbasstard
Ай бұрын
There wasn't a lot of room left for her on the show. They just sweeped up a loose end in a half lazy way
@germanytiger4405
Ай бұрын
the whole plan crumbles down now with an urgent deadline of huge massacre, and mallory runs out of narrative description to drive ryan the way she intended to (Ryan reading heart pumps and takes their words the way a kid wants), pretty convincing how mallory act here.
@mitsukiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
Ай бұрын
stone cold old lady to desperate grandmother very out of character
@johnwayne8494
Ай бұрын
The writing on this show turns into a circus when the plot requires it
@saintniccage2818
Ай бұрын
This show is peak bad writing. Sups are bullet proof when they need to be and not when it's needed.
@michaeltrinh4394
Ай бұрын
"You're going to lock me in here unless I agree to be your weapon, just like what you did to my dad." He may be getting played by all sides, but he's spitting fax.
@culleno872
Ай бұрын
What a fantastic line, so glad he picked up on what was actually happening right away, I know the writers of this show get a lot of shit, but I thought having Ryan not be fucking clueless as to what was happening was refreshing, and it’s really hard to argue with what he said; that’s EXACTLY what they were going to do to him😂 one of my first thoughts was if Mallory HAD hit that button and killed herself and butcher, who the fuck was gonna wake up and train/ look after Ryan? Those two were pretty much the only two on the ‘good guys’ squad who are even remotely close to him
@CreationSGame01
Ай бұрын
I am soooo happy they written this line in the final. I’ll say it once and I’ll say it again. No one is a good guy in this series it’s time to stop pretending. They have all done wrong just like Homelander one way or another.
@heckingbamboozled8097
Күн бұрын
@@culleno872 Yes, I completely agree. They wrote him like a HUMAN instead of the stereotype of a child. People seem to forget that younger people are still humans, and many are a lot more intelligent than people give them credit for imo
@quocanhhbui8271
Ай бұрын
Ryan literally said: “i will be back i just need time to think” and Grace being classic cia agent
@rumpleforeskin833
Ай бұрын
She probably knew he wasn’t going to come back. And she didn’t wasn’t to risk Ryna telling HL what they told him. She was still wrong for how she went about it tho
@Frozenies
Ай бұрын
@@rumpleforeskin833 he probably would have come back, ryan hasn't lied to them in the past at all and the emotional manipulation from Grace did not help. It just came off as them trying to do the same thing Vought did to Homelander.
@tylermcclain5332
Ай бұрын
@@rumpleforeskin833 Butcher should of just told her to Get TF out
@spiderfreak35
Ай бұрын
Grace 100% shit the bed on this one. Dropping all that on Ryan on one hit and just expecting him to go train to kill his dad was the worst way to do things.
@er1chawk
Ай бұрын
I'm sure the actress portraying her said to the writers, "She's not this stupid."
@spiderfreak35
Ай бұрын
@@er1chawk I’d bet money on that
@theketaminekid1241
Ай бұрын
This was one of the worst scenes in the season, if not the show. Mallory is SO out of character and stupid here. It's so frustrating.
@spiderfreak35
Ай бұрын
@@theketaminekid1241 no argument here
@tobsonasanya4765
Ай бұрын
She was desperate@@theketaminekid1241
@Gabriel-bx3nu
Ай бұрын
“The I told you” doesn’t even have to be said at the end 😂
@Xoe_1571
Ай бұрын
At least he learned to control his super strength no more wall splat 😁
@OliverRedit
Ай бұрын
He still did to hard
@darkswords147
Ай бұрын
She didn’t explode for dramatic effect
@jamerialwhite3694
Ай бұрын
Respectable characters don't get the gruesome deaths lol
@ishe_we_zimbabwe
Ай бұрын
@@jamerialwhite3694 Neuman
@naufalmEZa
Ай бұрын
@@jamerialwhite3694Raynor went out gruesomely, and what did she do again? Almost felt like her death was all for shock.
@Reyna_Amaturi
Ай бұрын
This was the unfortunate push for Butcher to listen to Joe fully. He now sees that he needs to kill every super, including Ryan, because now all he sees is another Homelander. Ryan, whether on accident or on purpose, killed Grace, who loved him dearly. But now, from his perspective, Ryan’s gone down a dark path, and he needs to stop him from becoming a more dangerous threat than Homelander. This season was the one where the good guys lost, where there was no clear way to win, with Butcher and Ryan going down a dark path, whereas, at the beginning of this season, they were starting to appear to be becoming good, but now there's no hope for either of them now
@prabalmohanta138
Ай бұрын
Yes. Ryan will end up killing homelander somehow and butcher would kill Ryan like he did killed noir in the comics
@Xavier28200
Ай бұрын
@@prabalmohanta138 No butcher has to kill homelander
@JavedKhan-bo1nn
Ай бұрын
It was also unfortunate push for Mallory as well 😂
@Xnozea
Ай бұрын
then why didnt he kill zoe as well? does butcher think all supes are bad nor not? the show cant decide. seriously this is a show for me at this point. not a story.
@warrioremperor6320
Ай бұрын
@@prabalmohanta138 wrong Ryan is not as highly trained as Homelander he can’t do anything to him bad logic
@TheLivingThanos
Ай бұрын
Every time somebody thinks Ryan will be a good person and do good..he screws all of that up in seconds
@chrisk.7418
Ай бұрын
Good person? Someone hasn't watched The Boys
@newhybrid101
Ай бұрын
Her fault,he is still an emotional teenager with super strength
@kingstarscream3807
Ай бұрын
It was self-defense.
@plug8613
Ай бұрын
ryan still has morals and feelings LMAO
@ivanagustinortiz5237
Ай бұрын
They're pushing him and he screws up because of it, and then they act like "ughhh he's a super, he can't be saved". It's getting annoying at this point.
@davecullins1606
Ай бұрын
Ryan is weirdly unphased by just accidentally having killed someone he knew
@itmare7353
Ай бұрын
because he was being threatened by her, he was probably in shock, not only did he kill grace, he also had learned that his biological dad is a mass murderer and that the only reason he himself is alive is because homelander raped Ryan's mom, like, I don't know about you, but I would also be numb to everything around me for a little while after finding that out
@dassagichkeinem4454
Ай бұрын
A person that tried to enslave or put him down. Apparently he never really knew her.
@dayschange2
Ай бұрын
I think it’s a combination of how sinister the situation looked from his perspective plus his dad’s influence. Ryan’s just a kid after all, and he was a sheltered one at that. 😔
@akukarki9094
Ай бұрын
@@dayschange2it was sinister tho
@dayschange2
Ай бұрын
@@akukarki9094 Oh, 100%.
@Changed.User100
Ай бұрын
Butcher realizing he maybe shouldnt have saved this kid from soldier boy.
@elpopman2055
Ай бұрын
You know that it was butcher and grace fault for using Ryan.
@ivanagustinortiz5237
Ай бұрын
Butcher acting like they enemy all along.
@ci7210
22 күн бұрын
Like if Maeve could survive Soldier Boy's blast. So could Ryan. Like Homelander is dead, and Ryan lives a normal life.
@rektbones5188
Ай бұрын
First, Ryan managed to hear the whisperings, the heartbeat of Butcher and even managed to use X-Ray vision to calculate the walls thickness saying the walls are 6 feet thick. Ryan surely is starting to have his powers more and more stronger
@christophermunoz2004
Ай бұрын
The idiot played her hand WAY too soon...
@Woodnsus
Ай бұрын
Running out of time does that.
@PawiYT
Ай бұрын
Ryan wasn’t gonna stay with Butcher lol , even if Grace didn’t tell the truth and let Butcher continue
@Trentonsmith24
Ай бұрын
@@PawiYTNo he would’ve been willing too or else he wouldn’t have been there.
@tenjenk
Ай бұрын
Too soon? There was no fucking time left. Kid needed to fucking step up
@dorianleakey
Ай бұрын
@@PawiYT Yes, he was, that was what the writing indicated, what all the things the characters said indicated. You are ignoring the dialogue.
@everettenjeze6276
Ай бұрын
3:25 had to be one of the most bone chilling shots in the show. All of butchers hopes and dreams of making Becca proud and protecting him and having hope that supes truly are human like regular people we’re all butchered in one swift move. His greatest fears are now at the fore front and all he sees is blood. The supes took away people he loved so he is taking everything away from them. Such a tragic character.
@Wolverine1987
Ай бұрын
Even more proof Soldier Boy was wronged 😅
@JasonCan-wp2fu
Ай бұрын
Bro was right all along
@alatusedits
Ай бұрын
Soldier goat for a reason
@ghostwalkergames7707
Ай бұрын
The best character
@promeneuzivotu117
Ай бұрын
"Fuck you!You are weaker than he is"
@memememe7081
Ай бұрын
Hoping they don’t fuck up his character by siding with homelander
@Lauderdizzle
Ай бұрын
Kid's doing a good acting job, I gotta say.
@Moe_Lester_fromUptwn
Ай бұрын
He's grown
@entersadman7226
Ай бұрын
Ryan really broke Butcher so we got a third villain next season
@naufalmEZa
Ай бұрын
Villains don't necessarily mean antagonist, he'd be out for blood with SB and HL for sure.
@ivanagustinortiz5237
Ай бұрын
They kinda broke Ryan when they basically told him "your father is a monster that raped your mother and you will have to end him"
@shaochiavang
Ай бұрын
@@naufalmEZanah, butcher is the main villain going into s5.
@nippsliter3318
Ай бұрын
Anti-Hero??? Isn't he based off the Punisher?
@jancarlosmanon4556
Ай бұрын
@@shaochiavangsadly yeah, he will be the main villain and you can bet a train, sage and Marie will be key to stop him, with how woke prime is, you can't be surprised
@markrichard4939
Ай бұрын
Grace, a government agent, just said to a child 'kill your dad or we'll force you.' If Ryan attempted to walk past, she would've flooded the room (like she threatened she would) and Ryan would've woken up in a secure underground facility where he'd be 'trained'. And by that I mean held against his will in an 8x8 room for several months while they attempt to break his mind and refashion him into a weapon, a Homelander that is under government control. Ryan is the victim here.
@aidmancastrol1908
Ай бұрын
Fr, I seriously can't comprehend how people walk away from this scene thinking "Ryan is the next Homelander!" Or "Soldier Boy is right!"
@asmracc9342
Ай бұрын
@@aidmancastrol1908 Soldier Boy was right, Ryan should've been sacrificed if you believe in utilitarian morals like most people. But yes, he was also the victim here
@EdmundLoh
Ай бұрын
Mallory gotta take the L on this one. Boy has incomprehensible power and unstable emotions, she should have quit while ahead.
@warrioremperor6320
Ай бұрын
Bro you sound like a woman you should get transgender surgery to look the part
@lolamelola7352
Ай бұрын
But the kid dont shoe regret for killing his "aunt"
@zashgekido5616
Ай бұрын
@@lolamelola7352 Same Aunt that was about to drug him and lock his ass in a box
@itdobelikedattho8112
Ай бұрын
Omg this slang I can't
@waterdrop2842
Ай бұрын
@@itdobelikedattho8112 ?? They just said "take the L" which means to lose. Not that hard to figure out.
@agasthya9128
Ай бұрын
Soldier boy after seeing butcher in season5: “I fcuking told you”
@tevinngeleshi9297
Ай бұрын
Damn now all hope is lost, Ryan is gonna turn out to be the thing Becca never wanted him to be, his father.
@johnwayne8494
Ай бұрын
Nah the showrunners don't have the balls to do that, he'll tun out good in the end somehow
@sinfuladam
Ай бұрын
Not quite because the scene later, Ryan runs from his father too. think of it like this. Both sides are giving him good points, but also giving him really bad points if they just let the kid decide for himself where his loyalties lie, then it would be easier on him.
@sinfuladam
Ай бұрын
@@johnwayne8494 true he’s probably gonna turn good but the term good in the boys is a bit complicated considering we have someone like Billy Butcher leading the charge. There are good people in the boys it’s just how far are they willing to go to maintain that level of goodness. Honestly I see Ryan as legit hope for that world but just as easily he can be. It’s destruction on a whim, but that really all depends on butcher and how he handles him.
@newkiller4457
Ай бұрын
@@sinfuladamimagine season 5 of the boys ends being a brutal battle royale between soldier boy, ryan, billy, and soldier boy? Man would season 5 be rlly brutal.
@Anthonycheesman33
Ай бұрын
Nobody in the boys is good
@jhedatitan4228
Ай бұрын
Soldier Boy had the right mindset but everyone betrayed him 😂.
@SSJKDotsSanctum
Ай бұрын
Ryan slowly becoming Brightburn boy
@Mordeairayne
Ай бұрын
Hell no
@amitkenan3878
Ай бұрын
He also escaped Homelander at the end
@SSJKDotsSanctum
Ай бұрын
@@amitkenan3878 True and now Homelander running to his daddy Soldier Boy since his son left him again.
@RayaneTawil
Ай бұрын
@@SSJKDotsSanctum I think they're gonna spend half of next season trying to get ryan or soldier boy on their side again (soldier boy not too likely)
@someperson4865
Ай бұрын
Brandon would absolutely flame Ryan since he's literally an alien like superman lol.
@annoyingcat5328
Ай бұрын
They made Mallory an idiot to continue the plot 🤦🏽♂️
@sonicjamal230
Ай бұрын
fr, but how could the plot have ended if she wasn't such an idiot here?
@Anna-sd4zl
Ай бұрын
I mean when people are desperate for something to happen against something in power they can get pretty irrational,grace was clearly desperate to make Ryan understand his dad is a monster at the moment instead of waiting patiently as butcher planned .
@gabagool6242
Ай бұрын
@@Anna-sd4zlIf she’d shut her mouth and let Butcher say his peace first i guarantee none of it would have happened. Ryan even said he’d be back and he just wanted to think. Mallory was far more composed when faced with the man that vaporized her grandchildren. Definitely seems like the writers just needed the plot to happen, even if it meant making Grace act wildly out of character.
@Aegon1
24 күн бұрын
Man I felt bad for Ryan, with his parental situation and not controlling his powers, but he killed someone who basically was an aunt to him when he totally didn’t need to
@Ss-rx9bx
16 сағат бұрын
yeah same... he lost his mom
@alexmarrero5837
Ай бұрын
The face Ryan makes when Grace basically tells him he’s a product of Rape is sad. Sad knowing that you were never really wanted and that you’re basically the son of Satan is heart breaking.
@Gabriel-bx3nu
Ай бұрын
Ryan is still young but he already saw his dad lasering someone to pieces so even he has to know it’s truth why did he still thinks it’s a lie😂
@ShazzledWolf32
Ай бұрын
5 stages of grief
@dablazingbryan5559
Ай бұрын
@@ShazzledWolf32and he’s still stuck in denial months/years later.
@Knowledge12370
Ай бұрын
Like father like grandfather lmao
@Rl55322
Ай бұрын
@@dablazingbryan5559yeah cuz he’s terrified of his dad, and denying that he’s evil is way easier than grappling with that fact
@logeyperogi1805
Ай бұрын
He didn’t really think it was a lie But he was being overwhelmed with information on how his dad wasn’t just some casual murderer, he was a straight up monster who ruined lives And then he got told that he would be the weapon to kill Homelander That’s a LOT for a kid to process, and it put him in shock The real stupidity was on Grace’s part, because she tried to trap him, when all Ryan needed was some time to think, to process all this new info, and once he’d processed it, he would’ve returned and probably agreed to help them kill Homelander By trapping him, Grace only made herself out to be another enemy to him and further put him in shock Now Ryan likely sees Butcher as a traitor, and Homelander as a monster In her poor decision making, Grace has isolated Ryan from everyone, and the last thing a kid needs to feel is that they can’t trust anyone
@RedShogun13
Ай бұрын
I love how everyone thought Ryan turning on Homelander would be Homelander’s breaking point. Instead Ryan winds up being Butcher’s.
@gabrielaj2066
Ай бұрын
And now butcher has to make the virus airborne!
@justinmoody9164
Ай бұрын
“Designed to hold people like you” …. To me that’s where she fucked up. Isolating him, referring to him as the “other” and threatening to kill him. All of the other things she said overwhelmed him but those words proved to him that HL was right, she’s NOT his family… And that was her fault
@alexsolomon8127
Ай бұрын
if there's a running theme to this entire series, it's "the consequenses of not owning up to your mistakes"
@efikiriki5158
Ай бұрын
He didn't even shed one tear. His Homelander side is showing.
@RJTheCerealGuy
Ай бұрын
I think personally for s5, homelander is gonna get wiped mid way through the season which will be a huge shocker. Final villain will be butcher and he’ll be killing the boys, gonna be insane
@marburg6005
Ай бұрын
They certainly seem to be going that comic ending route where butcher becomes the bad guy and forces hughie to kill him
@SaberRexZealot
Ай бұрын
I think that’s a better direction to go honestly. Homelander’s fantastic as a bad guy but Butcher becoming a despot with warped ideals is a lot more tragic.
@leonardo25gabriel
Ай бұрын
There's no reason for him to kill The Boys (just Kimiko and Annie).
@chuckingreaper8654
Ай бұрын
You see, it isn’t the overwhelming information dump Grace did on Ryan that bothers me. It’s that she planned to imprison Ryan unless he agreed to do whatever they wanted. Ryan knew what Vought did to his dad and is aware how it messed him up in some way. Now the Federal Government wanted to do the same thing to him. The fact Grace actually thought it was a smart idea to hold Ryan hostage until he complied with their demands was so short-sightedly stupid that I need a brain cell donation to recover. There was no need to be desperate enough to risk it all in this moment. Homelander wasn’t keeping Ryan under house arrest. They would have several means to convince Ryan on his terms. I feel they rushed this to make Butcher give Joe control. This is entirely a stupid scene for all parties involved.
@thetheory6159
Ай бұрын
Agreed. I watched this scene and the first time I saw it, I thought I was looking at a rejected scene. Those are not the actions of a woman who's been trained to keep her head cool under stress, those are the actions of a plot device.
@spiritualjalen220
Ай бұрын
Very true this whole scene could have been handled completely differently in fact butchers transition to joe Kessler could have been done after the boys got captured by vought but then again whether or not neumans death triggered the hunting of the boys or not is tricky to say but it could’ve been postponed at least until after Ryan left
@michaelholland1936
Ай бұрын
@@chuckingreaper8654 yeah you kept Homelander captive to have him do everything you what you'll seeing how that worked out.
@starsilvaX
Ай бұрын
I wouldn’t say it was rushed i mean they were running out of time that can happen during stressful times like that
@patrickbeaton4827
Ай бұрын
@@thetheory6159 Mallory's actions could be explained by her already being emotionally compromised here. Her overbearing behaviour is due to her still grieving her grandchildren and spending so much time with Ryan. Also, the stakes here are basically existential for civilisation since they have no other way to kill Homelander, who is mentally unstable and currently attempting to overthrow the government, so I think it makes more sense for Mallory to panic and threaten Ryan when he started to leave.
@Evoker23-lx8mb
Ай бұрын
When Butcher’s your voice of reason, you’ve dug your own grave.
@KiEntertainer
Ай бұрын
I’m legitimately concerned with how many people can’t empathize with Ryan here. He was literally begging her not to lock him up and even said he just needed a second and would be back. Then she was literally about to gas him and Ryan was freezing out he would not be able to leave if they got him. Now how cold he acted after killing her was admittedly a red flag but hopefully it was just shock
@RJALEXANDER777
Ай бұрын
I can buy that Ryan isn't the highest empathy person in the world given who his dad and grandad are (his great grandad was a prick as well). Even if he is genuinely trying there's a degree of nature there. But he's not entirely lost his way.
@joshzitovsky9205
Ай бұрын
Couldn't agree more
@LucasAckerman-jb9gw
Ай бұрын
It genuinely shows how many ppl who comment anti Ryan hate how bad/abusive parents they’d be irl.
@purplequeen833
Ай бұрын
@@RJALEXANDER777it's just he cried more for that stuntman than he did her who he called aunt
@RJALEXANDER777
Ай бұрын
@@purplequeen833 stuntman didn't try and cage him up like a dog.
@Vincentjmeade
Ай бұрын
I feel for Ryan in this scene. He already has the weight of the responsibility of being as powerful as he is. To then told to save the world from his own dad.
@davidraen7017
Ай бұрын
She tried to emotionally manipulate him and he was not having it.
@noelahg79
Ай бұрын
This is what happened. Vought got to Homelander too early for him to realize his psychological indoctrination. Everyone kinda forgets, Homelander COULD have been Superman. Vought turned him into what he has become.
@EarlofChucklechester
Ай бұрын
Lmao, manipulate him? Where's the lie? I don't really understand his character. Even after finding out the horrible things Homelander did to his mother, how can he still wish to be with him? He wasn't even angry.
@davidraen7017
Ай бұрын
@@EarlofChucklechester Manipulations do not require lies, lady is a government spook and she was also threatening to kidnap him along with her "heartfelt" pleas. Butcher was trying to manipulate Ryan as well, but he knew the long game had to be played.
@excalibur2596
Ай бұрын
Grace just threatened and forced Ryan to comply without showing him evidence against his father to convince him however much she could.
@justinzinkowski5933
Ай бұрын
Did he give her a chance?
@excalibur2596
Ай бұрын
@@justinzinkowski5933 Yes he did in fact. It's Grace's fault. She just had to play it slow, not threaten Ryan, show him the evidence one by one and give him complete freedom over if he wants to turn on his father or not.
@joel5135
Ай бұрын
@@justinzinkowski5933He gave her Multiple warnings
@robboss204
Ай бұрын
@@excalibur2596 ryan already knew how psychotic his father is he witnessed it time and time again no evidence is needed
@excalibur2596
Ай бұрын
@@robboss204 Ryan asked for evidence when grace accused Homelander of the flight 37 incident and other of his evil acts. Clearly Ryan doesn't have the full picture on Homelander. The acts that he does know about he thinks are justified like Homelander killing the guy who threw a soda can on him
@milklander847
Ай бұрын
I don't understand why so many people are insulting Ryan again. He was forced to do shit he didn't want to. Damn, he found out a minute ago that Homelander raped Becca that Homelander killed a lot of people, he's a little boy, let him think and process the situation, he even says he needs a break to think, he thinks more rationally than Grace. Grace wanted to press the red button, damn he would be just as screwed as Homelander or Soldier Boys. He wouldn't be free. Maybe Ryan didn't want to kill Grace, maybe Ryan still can't properly assess his strength, it was also a situation where he had to act quickly and instinctively, he had no other choice. Homelander and Butcher wanted to win Ryan's heart, but in the end neither succeeded. I wouldn't even be surprised if he is the one who stops the war later, because maybe he knows both sides and realizes that Homelander himself is just a little kid who needs love. I think in the end Homelander and Butcher will die, but Ryan will become the true hero that America never got. Who knows, maybe Butcher and Homelander will come to their senses at some point, but I think they will still fight each other because it's way too late for reconciliation.
@ramdejin8426
Ай бұрын
Becca not vicky
@bonoshii
Ай бұрын
Ryan knows his strength. Ryan got emotional and decided to kill the person that he considered his aunt. He could have walked past her, but that push was intentional and he showed no remorse for it No other choice is stretching it
@TimSlee1
Ай бұрын
He's too scared of Homelander to fight him, if you can't beat em' then join them I guess.
@DamXOien3902
Ай бұрын
Yeah there’s no sugarcoating Ryan’s actions he knew he could easily kill her and still decided to push her he’s a murderer just like his pops the better not try and redeem him next season
@arthurcosta1657
Ай бұрын
I know these MF are delusional or soemthing
@BeeSweet16
Ай бұрын
He asked to be let go and said he would come back. That's abuse, blocking someone's way. He needed a breather.
@noahmpmonod
Ай бұрын
Now Butcher will just be supes-killing machine
@excalibur2596
Ай бұрын
Yeah. Can't wait for that.
@gabrielaj2066
Ай бұрын
That’s too bad that they’re saving it for next season. I wanted the season to end not have another cliffhanger.
@magnumopus5661
Ай бұрын
That is what they did to Homelander. They made him a monster, and failed to slay him. Now they're helping turn Ryan dark as well.
@PsychicJaguar19
Ай бұрын
So unfortunate, he even said “I’ll be back I just need to think” Grace really let her emotions get the best of her and it cost her life.
@user-jo3kt7oj1o
Ай бұрын
Wow yeah I honestly missed that line. What a bad scene
@kingpatrick7730
Ай бұрын
They should of waited with Ryan to gain his trust then grace wouldn't even be dead right now
@VivisDoomsday
Ай бұрын
They didn't really have time to do that. Butcher was already trying to take it slow with Ryan, but that trust wasn't building fast enough. They knew January 6th was "doomsday" essentially for a while now and Butcher himself was under the impression he has no time. Since this scene takes place on that day, it was now or never. She knows deep down Ryan still has a heart and loves his mother, so she tried to play that card to demonize his father and justify the plan to murder Homelander. Obviously that backfired but they ran out of time and options.
@Omallo-qp4oi
Ай бұрын
@tablesalt2628He didn't need to be actually stronger than his father, he only needed to be ready to kill him. Had he known how to fight and Homelander would stand no chance against him even if he was stronger
@VivisDoomsday
Ай бұрын
@tablesalt2628 Not Ryan alone, but a suped up Butcher and Ryan vs Homelander. Or just suped up Butcher vs Homelander. It is a long shot and Butcher even critiqued Kessler's thinking earlier this season about that very same thing, but Kessler made it clear what needs to happen with Ryan. He's either used as a weapon towards Homelander or he needs to be killed, and to Grace and Butcher's credit, their plan was intentionally crafted with that in mind. Ryan is already strong, he doesn't need years of training, he just needs to be convinced that his father is evil and that he's the only one that is capable of putting a stop to it. He was strong enough to kill Stormfront who was one of the strongest supes, at a younger age. He's the closest thing to Homelander besides Soldier Boy.
@Omallo-qp4oi
Ай бұрын
@tablesalt2628 Homelander is not that much powerful than Ryan
@VivisDoomsday
Ай бұрын
@tablesalt2628 We don't know the extent of Butcher's power yet anyways. We finally got one glimpse of it at the very end of the season and it's used to rip the shreds out of a supe that was basically invulnerable. I think 2v1 is better than 1v2, even if the extra one is Ryan, but that's just me!
@RandomVideoCommenterOME
Ай бұрын
Grace in the earlier episodes was cold, calculating and seemed to know what what the best course of action was, even if she didn't come up with the idea initially. I can buy that here she's emotional and not quite thinking straight, but to trauma dump a kid, then threaten him with a literal gas chamber and continue to try and stop him from leaving is just.... The dumbest thing a character like her could possibly do, its almost insulting to the character work they'd done before this point.
@peteparkerson1004
Ай бұрын
I agreed, this scene she's just out of the character no calm and talking speedrun non-stop to ryan more than that kid could handle it
@habaneropepper
Ай бұрын
She was running out of time she was desperate
@jayyy1677
Ай бұрын
Desperation does that to a person
@warrioremperor6320
Ай бұрын
Bad writing
@Krunchyz
Ай бұрын
Considering homelander was about to take over the world by killing the president, calling her desperate is an understatement
@ANP4158
Ай бұрын
The look of Butcher’s face when he saw Grace’s body like that 😢
@justinguyos5476
Ай бұрын
Wow, and Ryan did not even feel that bad about killing her like he did with Koy. Ultimately, she was just an obstacle to him and had to go. So much for having faith in him, Butcher.
@maniac7452
Ай бұрын
Duh she set him up in an ambush, tried to force him to become a child soldier who will have to kill his own dad, and then tried to lock him up when he wanted to leave. Ryan even asked her several times to let him go but Grace kept threatening him. He was totally entitled not to feel sorry for her.
@estebanbr7596
Ай бұрын
You crazy... She tried to kidnap him and black mail him into killing someone after proving she only cared about using him.
@nosireyessir
Ай бұрын
homelander aint his dad lol kids dont understand it but one day they would realize as they grow older
@RayaneTawil
Ай бұрын
Honestly here it was 100% self defense she even tried to kidnap him
@berserk9564
Ай бұрын
You all act like Ryan is a small ordinary baby without superpower. People be lack of empathy toward old folks and over simpathy to childs
@cdoze8183
Ай бұрын
I thought Ryan was there when Maeve threatened Homelander with the Flight 37 tape?
@zzzzjohnnyzzzz6209
Ай бұрын
He was but she never called it flight 37 and Ryan couldn’t see the phone
@ShadowKamehameha32
Ай бұрын
He was there, but he wasn't focusing on that kid was terrified.
@TankGamingADHD
Ай бұрын
i think the kid was more focused on his dead mom tbh
@raftlack4326
Ай бұрын
lots of excuces when the real explanation is the writters kinda forgot about it lmao
@beastedninja3757
Ай бұрын
@@raftlack4326 literally a panicked kid who didnt see the phone and was terrified his dad whos covered in blood would kill him right after killing the only real family hes ever had but ight
@TheGreatSeraphim
23 күн бұрын
Kid asks to leave and she threatens to cage him. Yeah he's going to react violently in self preservation.
@AB-zl4nh
Ай бұрын
Ryan could have moved past her or pushed he away gently. He decided to use violence. Just like his Dad.
@newhybrid101
Ай бұрын
He is a 12 year old
@thorodinson7259
Ай бұрын
@@newhybrid101yeah that should make him not to use violence
@littlescruby
Ай бұрын
I don't think it's that simple. Remember what he did to Koy? That crazy strength was him trying to hold back. Considering Grace didn't turn into a splatter like Koy, Ryan was probably him doing everything he could to control himself, but a lack of experience plus the explosion of emotion and adrenaline going on had him accidentally use too much force. I don't think he intended to kill her
@elpopman2055
Ай бұрын
That tends to happen you mistreat and use a Traumatized child with superpowers
@calvintyler9281
Ай бұрын
@thorodinson7259 no it's actually quite the opposite. Never speak again.
@doodgeslagenmug
Ай бұрын
2:59 I love how he moves like homelander here suggesting he actually did become his father.
@Joker_edits762
Ай бұрын
Ryan is a future Homelander. It is known. Because he didn't even regret Grace's death. * Butcher made a mistake by stopping soldier boy.
@BMosby
Ай бұрын
"Just like they did to my dad" The moment he realizes homelander wanted best for him all along
@Rogue_Arrow
Ай бұрын
Butcher is a warlock, and Kessler is his Fiend patron.
@TheGreatWhiteCount
Ай бұрын
You can't blame Grace for this, this really was a last resort. They thought Homelander was going to go full animal. Butcher is like Venom now, him and Kessler are going to become The Butcher.
@Destructocorps
Ай бұрын
Grace was stupid here, she should have known better. All she did was make herself seem manipulative and untrustworthy, and unsurprisingly it backfired. There's no justification for her actions given the fact Ryan always responded badly to being 'forced' and well to being given the opportunity to make his own decision and given respect since he was taken
@elpopman2055
Ай бұрын
Grace was completely stupid for dumping this all in a kid and cornering him when it's clear to him that they are simply using him The same way that used homelander. Trash writing
@alatusedits
Ай бұрын
Grace was dumb in this situation. She should have had more emotional intelligence, and ryan is a kid so he's bound to be emotional
@Randomgirl3468
Ай бұрын
Imprisoning ryan is a horrible idea and would have never worked
@AryReviewFilm
Ай бұрын
i mean at 1:38 he literally says he's going to come back just needs time to process all of that
@HenryDaBoss179
Ай бұрын
1:36 she messed up hard on this one. Obviously it was a mistake for her to lay all that out on Ryan at once, but the even bigger mistake was not letting him leave. He literally said "i'll be back i just need to think" and of course he'd be back since he knows Butcher is dying. If they just let him leave and come back maybe he would've been more inclined to fight his dad especially with what he knows now and after his dad's outburst from earlier. Making him feel like he's trapped and doesn't have a choice was the biggest mistake.
@PepeValenzuela
Ай бұрын
Idk how or why, but a government officer from the cia using stupid methods that break morality and common sense didn't feel that out of place to me. I think it's why I wasn't surprised by her decision of transforming butcher into bait for ryan (even if it wasn't intended) and how I didn't find half of this stuff stupid like other people say
@MiamiGameHunter
Ай бұрын
For people saying this was out of character for Grace, I think the answer is actually quite simple: she was scared and jumped the gun. She thought Homelander's takeover of the government was about to go down, so she thought they didn't have time for the slow cook.
@justinsmith4618
Ай бұрын
Nah....for being his surrogate grandma this was totally out of character.
@C.I.A_hq
Ай бұрын
Kessler & Soldier boy: "How many times do we have to teach you this lesson old man!?" 😂
@torquetheprisoner
Ай бұрын
at least Ryan lasted longer than he did in the comic
@HaloMan-813
Ай бұрын
Much better, he didn't even have a name, he was officially called " Black Noirs son" lmao
@darnellmanoto4152
Ай бұрын
Ryan just needs time to process it all, and figure out where he stands amongst all of this. As for Butcher and Homelander, they have become two sides of the same coin. Theyre both monsters now. Season 5 is going to be INSANE.
@naadeali6108
Ай бұрын
This was the final straw for Butcher, and honestly, I don't blame him.
@moe5020
Ай бұрын
why though? just because shes an old lady? Ryan told her to back off multiple times and then she went for the button and caught hands. Grace did it to herself what did she think he was gonna do if she threatened to imprison him?
@vietcuongnguyenle8530
Ай бұрын
@@moe5020 problem is a children should been fear and feel guilty when it kill a person But ryan just left and show no feeling That is the problem
@AceyFlamez
Ай бұрын
@@moe5020 no, he loved malory and now Ryan told Becca and her. It’s built up anger.
@moe5020
Ай бұрын
@@vietcuongnguyenle8530 He clearly felt a lot different things. He just looks at butcher because theres nothing to say. He had to process being forced pregnancy and hearing all that about his dad then his aunt figure tried to force him to kill his dad and threatened to imprison him. What exactly is the right emotion for him to have and why would he show that to butcher who he doesn't even know if he can trust?
@jaylenlenear3944
Ай бұрын
Theres no way you can justify mallory actions to trap him.. He literally told them hed be back!!
@robboss204
Ай бұрын
Grace was dumb but ryan's reaction felt off tbh. He killed someone close to him and did not even seem to be bothered by it and also why does he even find it hard to believe that his father is rapist and a monster he is a firsthand witness to his father being a pyschopath
@kevynduran2659
Ай бұрын
Because the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree
@IwinMahWay
Ай бұрын
He thinks that all the love shown ever by them was to lure him and turn him into a weapon. It all became fake.
@VivisDoomsday
Ай бұрын
I think they never really have a scene where Homelander is being a monster (by the Homelander's standards WE know) in front of Ryan. Homelander was initially sympathetic to Ryan when he accidentally killed that stunt guy in public. From Ryan's view, the worst he's seen is that time he lasered that guy, but that was out of "self-defense", people cheered when it happened, so of course a kid might overlook that and feel like THAT murder was justified. Despite that, a rapist is a whole different level of a piece of shit that you would never think or hope your father was. Not only a rapist, but a person who raped your mother. Yeah, I would think a kid would find that hard to believe or accept at first. That wasn't Ryan's first murder, either. Homelander told Ryan the truth of how he was raised, and I bet this whole situation was feeling similar to that. He feels justified and enraged for doing what he had to do, the people he thought he could trust want to turn him into a weapon and turn him against his own father. He's conflicted, he doesn't know what good and bad are anymore.
@christianlouthful
Ай бұрын
@@VivisDoomsday When he went with butcher in s2 his dad was covered in blood and guts lol what do u mean
@saltrxn
Ай бұрын
The poor guy is scared and betrayed. He fled his dad first and now he was fleeing the scene quickly to avoid Butcher’s reaction. He saw what being trapped in a concrete room, trained to be a weapon did to his father and he’s scared he’d end up the same.
@dylanrivera2244
Ай бұрын
That kid is the living definition of a burden.
@moe5020
Ай бұрын
I mean not really they are trying to use him to kill homelander. They are a burden on him
@Knowledge12370
Ай бұрын
@@moe5020the worst moment in the show (butcher attacking soldier boy) happened due to him definitely a burden lmao
@reddrahvett623
Ай бұрын
Kid has literally not done shit. Everything that's happened to him was not his fault. Y'all are wacky as fuck.
@moe5020
Ай бұрын
@@Knowledge12370 That was butchers fault for pushing him away also they were gonna kill his dad of course so he lasered Soldier Boy what did they think was gonna happen how is he being a burden by defending himself? it's also bad writing they shouldn't have had such a bad plan and Starlight and MM shouldn't have broken the team up, maeve and butcher shouldn't have just watched it happen why didn't they grab HL instead of having soldier boy line up both ryan and homelander? which is dumb anyway because r u telling me if butcher didn't turn on SB that homelander was so distracted that he'd ignore SB and let himself get blasted lol? and does Soldier Boy not care about his grandson? he literally just met him wouldn't SB want to find out more about Ryan? Also on top of that the set up is dumb Homelander just checks ryan like the fight is on pause he would have either immediately flew into soldier boy and smashed him into the pavement at Mach 2 or grabbed Ryan and flew away this is homelander we are talking about.
@poke8735
Ай бұрын
Ryan even said he would come back he just needed time to think. He should NOT have pushed her that hard, he knows how strong he is.
@RIPJAY23
Ай бұрын
I do agree with you guys saying they should’ve let homelander and Ryan get killed by soldier boy, but Ryan doesn’t deserve death the boy didn’t ask to be in this mess! We have to think about the trauma he’s going thru tryna find hisself..
@Devil_Dawg2k23
Ай бұрын
Grace really fucked it up and herself…she should’ve just let Butcher do his thing and let Ryan see even more how evil his real father really is
@RyanW2763
Ай бұрын
When I saw the final scene of episode 4 I thought that was the scariest scene we've ever seen in this entire show, and it might still be. But this scene has a whole new meaning to fear. Just the sadness in Grace's death only to have Kressler behind him instills a fear of the unknown. Beautiful writing.
@Kadir-fw7xm
Ай бұрын
Butchers reaction was so good. It perfectly reflected on Beccas death and Ryan just bouncing made his mind clearer for what NEEDS to be done at that point. Sure Mallory screwed up by getting mixed up in this but come on man he already killed someone by showing them at some point the pity goes away.
@The_Real_Priest
Ай бұрын
Someone else said this already and I will say it again. It’s a constant “it’s so over. NEVERMIND WE BACK!!!” with Ryan
@MrDibara
Ай бұрын
_Adolescence, am I right?_ 😒 GOD, were we a mess in our decisions back then...
@daeltgryn05
Ай бұрын
If he sides with his dad now, its really over lol
@OrionEnt
Ай бұрын
I find it interesting that Ryan finds himself in between Black (Grace) and White (Butcher) when they both try their hardest to convince him to stay with them. Grace does her utmost to manipulate Ryan and even makes a subtle threat to lock him up if he doesn't comply, all of this after she breaks down at the recent turn of events and gives into the supe paranoia - which you could say fits into Kessler's angle entirely. However she's treating him as a weapon and not a troubled kid who's going back & forth with so many people telling him what to do and what he should believe instead of giving him the freedom that he WISHES his father had at that age. Butcher doesn't succumb to his fears but he's aware of how much the truth will impact Ryan. He's also doing his best to be supportive of him by apologizing after Grace spills the ugly truth about his conception, even when he tells the boy that he should stop his father from becoming a tyrannical supe, he tells Ryan that he's "strong" and likely holds firm to that belief even if the boy doesn't believe it himself. It's only until he sees Grace accidentally killed (just like becca ironically enough) that he finally falters and gives in to Kessler. And then there's Homelander during the confrontation between him and Ryan. If you look at that scene closely, Homelander is quick to disparage Butcher and claim that he's not his real father - HE is. But in doing so, the mask he so carefully crafted around his son starts to slip off just enough to see the ugly side of him as Ryan stares defiantly at the man who tried so hard to mold him into his image. There is a real possibility that if Homelander didn't spot the picture in Ryan's backpack, he wouldn't have been so emotionally unstable at a time when Ryan likely needed answers for everything that's been dumped on him so far. With the truth in hand and both Homelander & Butcher having too many secrets that can't seem to stay buried, I think Ryan will probably focus on what his mother wanted for him and go forward with what her expectations of him would be. The main reason being is that with her she never left him with so many questions about what kind of person he should be and how he should think about other people - Supe or not. Just a mom doing her best to support the one child she never expected to bring into the world.
@TheToaprimezilla
Ай бұрын
I keep hearing people say he showed no remorse for killing her but that’s incorrect. Ryan was shocked he killed someone close to him and couldn’t process what just happened because it happened so fast. He walked away from it because at this point he’s afraid to face Butcher again. He knows he screwed up and can’t express it right now because he’s in shock. So I’m sure by the next season we’ll see that he truly did regret killing Mallory and hopefully this helps Butcher overcome his dark side.
@ecthox-1mork909
Ай бұрын
Honestly, I'm surprised Ryan didn't already know about all the things Mallory sprung on him here - they should've told him all this practically right after Season 2. If they'd told him those things much earlier, gradually and with care, then Ryan would've been able to soak it up and process it earlier and he'd have never been swayed to Homelander's side - delaying it like this, like IRL foolish parents taking the coward's or the idiot's way out when it comes to shielding their kids from grief, just hurt Ryan even more down the line and made things even worse.
@BigCaj
Ай бұрын
yeah if A-Train gets a redemption arc and Soldier Boy doesn’t this is gonna be the dumbest plot point ever
@jm-nv5bl
Ай бұрын
You can't blame ryan for this. Any other kid would probably do the same when scared and feel cornerd
@xavierhouston4650
Ай бұрын
Only dumb ones.
@arandomt-9056
Ай бұрын
Least they don't cause your spinal cord connecting to your brain snap
@justinzinkowski5933
Ай бұрын
Kill someone and walk away with an expression open to interpretation? He didnt seem bothered and kinda seemed satisfied
@justinzinkowski5933
Ай бұрын
Kill someone and walk away with an expression open to interpretation? He didnt seem bothered and kinda seemed satisfied
@errwhattheflip
Ай бұрын
@@justinzinkowski5933 Seems more like he's repressing his feelings on it
@Mannyhdz0052
Ай бұрын
Damn and Butcher said in the last episode that he had faith in ryan, and now his faith is replaced with nothingness.
@clementnade972
Ай бұрын
Ryan has a point. They overstepped thinking he shouldn’t get to choose.
@batmanvsjoker7725
Ай бұрын
Butcher was actually being gentle for once and look how that ended up. Yeah, he's officially done trying to do things selflessly.
@J_C_CH
Ай бұрын
I find it interesting how their roles were reversed here. For years Mallory considered Butcher to be a loose canon who didn't know how to control his emotions, but here when Butcher is trying to be rational, she's the one letting her emotions get the best of her.
@friendlyfire2374
Ай бұрын
Butcher was looking at grace like “yooooo man shut the f up!!!!! You’re going to ruin everything!!!”
@CthulhuOnCam
Ай бұрын
A lot of us are gonna talk about how Grace fucked up here (and she did) but Im gonna give big props to the Actor. She really made me feel like Grace was panicking, that she felt out of time and that things where all collapsing. She fumbled it but the actor made it clear to me why she did and did so very well
@Magenta-maya93
Ай бұрын
Poor Ryan. That woman didn’t love him.
@Skinnny_
Ай бұрын
That soldier boy betrayal looks even worse now dawg💀
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