@karlismymiddlename 9 times / 10 this happens to me
@inthemix94321
Ай бұрын
😂😂
@terrariagell1604
Ай бұрын
true
@enderwolfplayzyt8950
Ай бұрын
this man has a problem with everything
@carloscruz5677
Ай бұрын
I was just about to say that but true
@junxilin8308
Ай бұрын
He said in a poll that videos that display negativity tends to gather more attention
@joshmccarty8800
Ай бұрын
This man hasn’t ever heard of constructive criticism
@CarsonTheIdiot
Ай бұрын
i have a similar problem with the channel @Moon his stuff was actually interesting until he just kept doing negative videos then i stopped liking his stuff
@aakashwanii
Ай бұрын
I have said it earlier his name is DISFUNCTIONAL what do you expect
@marceloasensiofilho3833
Ай бұрын
All I use the builder base for is the Gems mine and the builder. I am a 100% free to play town hall 13 player so the gems mine is something I really value
@TJ-hg6op
Ай бұрын
Fellow f2p gamer
@marceloasensiofilho3833
Ай бұрын
@@TJ-hg6op unfortunatelly while I have never spent a single cent on any mobile game I have spent more money than I am willing to admit in Overwatch skins. The One Punch Man event ended my pride to be a free to play gamer
@SakakiSyndrome
Ай бұрын
@@marceloasensiofilho3833 Yeah i dont blame you. Tatsumaki thighs is a money burner 😢
@Pancicopong
Ай бұрын
What value ? is 10 gems more value ? Its just very small gems, 😂😂😂 even if we buy train potion it will cost you 25 gems 😂😂😂
@marceloasensiofilho3833
Ай бұрын
@@Pancicopong it adds overtime.
@koolgamers6763
Ай бұрын
Originally I had the take that it was nothing more than a distraction and a way to gatekeep the 6th builder but I started coming across content on KZitem from creators like AshJer and I began to appreciate the skill involved with playing builder base at a high level. It’s a completely different style of attacking from home village and while I don’t think it should be compulsory to be effective in your home village I think it’s definitely a positive for the game overall.
@g1y3
Ай бұрын
Match making is shit for any TH that isn't max.
@Fictional_sema
Ай бұрын
@@g1y3 true I play bb matchmaking is shit that's why i am try to max my base
@Frosty_V0
Ай бұрын
Funnily enough, Builder Base actually got easier and less skillful. This why the pushing scene is dead, lol.
@lucienskinner-savallisch5399
Ай бұрын
AshJer is the GOAT
@AshJer_CoC
23 күн бұрын
🫡
@danielemmanuel6261
Ай бұрын
I use it for clan games builder base is really useful
@nonnn6884
Ай бұрын
Me too, this is another reason why it shouldn't be removed
@szyren8793
Ай бұрын
I mean it really has no other use since it failed in entertaining the majority of the player base
@Otonashi-kun
Ай бұрын
Now its worse, they just nerfed the clan games challenges for the builder base
@ashrieltan071
27 күн бұрын
@Otonashi-kun even then, I finished clan games in 45 minutes using all builder quests this time
@Otonashi-kun
26 күн бұрын
@@ashrieltan071 Yeah, you can do it very fast even after the nerf, I hope they dont do anything again (Last time I did it in 15 min, then now I did it in 18 min xd)
@that_bloxer8138
Ай бұрын
builder base is a fun alternative way to play clash of clans, I personally really like it
@megaoega3361
Ай бұрын
Yeah same
@crumpolcrumsvods8564
Ай бұрын
samwe
@Nietabs
Ай бұрын
samew
@turt1100
Ай бұрын
Yeah I much prefer the attacks to regular base, feels more contained because every single building and every single troop has importance.
@catburger8451
Ай бұрын
I agree but it's so grindy and attacking is too easy so its impossible to push
@pubg-blsy3352
Ай бұрын
I find builder base to be super fun. It rewards players for using different strategies and not just spam like ladder, you find yourself using multiple different approaches, however I think this “more skilful” approach really puts off builder base for some, becasue of how technical and hard it can become. People need to give it a try, it’s really fun.
@gbombmr6125
Ай бұрын
What do you mean? Literally people only use witches and every attack is a 6 star I’ve been hard stuck at 2500 trophies even tho I 6 star almost every attack because everyone else always 6 stars
@pubg-blsy3352
Ай бұрын
@@gbombmr6125 I rarely face witches. I’m also stuck at one trophy range, that being 3500 however for me that’s because I’m a rushed BH9 with most my defences at level 7 or 6. It is annoying because I constantly face BH10 players who have max troops, however trophies aren’t important to me so I still find it fun, I don’t care if I defend or loose trophies, it’s not fun to gain or loose trophies and defend, it’s fun to attack.
@yashrajdeo1108
Ай бұрын
The reason the builder base is here is to give us a easy time in clan games.
@rithvikmuthyalapati9754
Ай бұрын
That and allows us to get gems from the gem mine, gear ups for main base defenses, and the 6th builder. If it didn't provide any of these, no one would bother about the builder base
@indiana47
Ай бұрын
@@rithvikmuthyalapati9754 we only have 3 gear ups and one of them sucks.
@notsaksham101
29 күн бұрын
Not anymore 😢 .... They nerfed it in the update
@I_exterminate_therians
Ай бұрын
I used to like builder base. But now its just too hard to get resources. One upgrade costs millions but i only get 200,000 thousand loot from builder stars. What am i supposed to do?
@krabovg
Ай бұрын
farm after you got star loot
@I_exterminate_therians
Ай бұрын
@@krabovg you only get 20,000 to 30,000 gold. While a upgrade costs 1.8 mil
@ALEXZANDER_YT
Ай бұрын
@@I_exterminate_therians dont talk with zombies - they lick devs ass in any situation
@Ryuk_God_of_death
Ай бұрын
@@I_exterminate_therians I get 60k gold for 6 star and 440k loot for star bonus... Upgrade cost ranges from 3.5M - 5M+ my builders and labs are always busy 😂
@I_exterminate_therians
Ай бұрын
@@Ryuk_God_of_death and that's the problem. You only get It when 6 staring.
@coolitten4937
Ай бұрын
The biggest flaw in the builder base is the same as the home village, when you get to the higher levels, the wall grind is insane
@im_mr_garbage2498
Ай бұрын
I’d argue it starts WAAAAYYYY before the home base though for sure. I’m th9 and I was for the most part chillin with the walls. Bh6 is ridiculous. 🗿
@LuckyDuckyGamesTWW
Ай бұрын
Bulder hall wals? What are those? Ima a th 11 and walk are fine but bulder hall walls?! Screw those I need my gold and elixer for the malti morter and battle machines. (sorry for spelling :sob:)
@LuckyDuckyGamesTWW
Ай бұрын
Oops i ment 😭. Didint realise I had to click on it.
@jamesw3413
Ай бұрын
The old walls were 10x better tbh
@janekk8833
Ай бұрын
If there have been builder base wars there could be so called "great war" where clans could compete 1st day on regular base regular war, then 2nd day builder base war and on 3rd day clash on each others capital halls. That would be so cool
@joshmccarty8800
Ай бұрын
Builder base makes clan games soooooo easy though. Take destroy x amount of archer towers in builder base. Attack, drop all baby dragons, and force close the game rinse and repeat.
@chillstoneblakeblast3172
Ай бұрын
That's literally My Go-To elixer strategy. It was way easier before the nerf and was automatic 3 star always
@cetadel6597
Ай бұрын
Why Baby Dragons? Don't they get weaker en massse?
@tanguykov9802
Ай бұрын
totally agree with this video, at the beginning i found the builder base quite fun and a new way to play CoC, but after some months i almost forgot it's existence and juste keep playing it for 6th builder
@johncedricksantos2401
Ай бұрын
Progress is so slow
@terrariagell1604
Ай бұрын
true
@lucienskinner-savallisch5399
Ай бұрын
I think if they doubled the loot available it would help but it would only be a temporary stop gap while we wait for new content and balancing tweaks
@Yuvumi
Ай бұрын
I'm just using builder base as normal village and having fun with maxing all defenses like on village
@eggtasticbonail7252
Ай бұрын
The point of builder base is the smaller scale battles, I really like it
@DUDElesack
Ай бұрын
Bro got beef with the builder base now
@user-ti5cw1ug6l
Ай бұрын
The 6th builder and the 1000 gems for reaching 3000 trophies are the only reasons to play for me now. While I did appreciate the gameplay and how you can change troops depending on the situation, spam genuinely works most of the time and progress is far too dependent on your opponent. You could do everything right and get 200% and will still get like 5 trophies with no loot. By builder hall 7 you feel broke all the time especially since most of the upgrades literally take up more than 2/3rds of your max storage. The bonuses for winning are horrible. They should at least be 100-200K.
@rattlynanimations7694
Ай бұрын
I cant express the frustration enough with losing trophies sometimes. I worked so hard to get 6 stars for weeks to get to 3500 trophies. As soon as i had a bad day and was getting 4/5 stars instead, I lost 200 trophies. No matter what I'm more often than not losing 50 trophies per attack. The walls are the literal worst to upgrade
@luckygamer2215
Ай бұрын
The builder base community is actually such a vibe
@masondunn9160
Ай бұрын
I mean I like builder base as a casual base. Do my 2-3 daily attacks and upgrade as I have loot. 2.0 was a huge improvement for strategy, and it's hella useful for clan games
@fransiskusxaveriusalbertka7981
Ай бұрын
In my experience, once you upgrade all the traps, there is a shortage of gold.
@thegreatkiwibeast2591
Ай бұрын
I personally love the builder base, not having to wait to train troops, and all troops having more unique abilities that you can activate on command makes battles more dynamic… the big issue is just that it’s not balanced (cough night witch cough), once they figure out how to make it balanced, I think it’ll be perfect
@poomipatlurkudom3883
13 күн бұрын
Night witch is annoying but i don't think it good in higher builderhall( even though i get 6 starred most of the time)
@FirstLast-is9xe
Ай бұрын
The recent changes destroyed BB totally for me. I just don't touch it on any of my accounts anymore. And the newer accounts still have not even rebuild the ship 😅😅😅
@jamesw3413
Ай бұрын
Ngl the rework made it much less enjoyable and far too complicated. The joy of the builder base was having a smaller home village like the lower town halls, but now we get overwhelmed with 2 stages and troops having hero abilities you have to micromanage. After unlocking the 6th builder all you can really do is max out your gem mine and clock tower to at least get some benefit.
@The_Magican_Cat
Ай бұрын
They can pull more ppl to Builder Base by introducing Buider Medal or anything like that to active Clock Tower for both Village and buy some magic item. Add ore to star bonus just like the home village, ore mine. Finally reduce uprading cost and time.
@Potato-TheKing
Ай бұрын
And more loot exactly had same trough
@somerandomdude4752
Ай бұрын
Builder Battles is pretty much Witches Witches and more Witches Loose 50 trophies every single time
@jakepeng9962
Ай бұрын
I like builder base, but i wish the progression was not so slow, and i wish some troops got some tweaks, for example baby dragons being able to reuse their abilities.
@ashrieltan071
27 күн бұрын
Its the upgrade times for me. I like it but they have to reduce the upgrade times
@isaacogunmuko3947
25 күн бұрын
Supercell should add a Clan Wars to the Builder Base.
@haimay5767
Ай бұрын
I enjoy the builder base but we need more content. It feels abandoned again, and now it's official that this year is mainly focused on the home village
@TheGalaxyMapper
17 күн бұрын
I wonder when Builder Hall 11th come out, and 17 town hall, you think when?
@haimay5767
16 күн бұрын
@TheGalaxyMapper I'm guessing th 17 is this year. Not sure about builderhall though
@PizzaWarrior29
Ай бұрын
It honestly puzzles me why people say that builder base is boring while basically rushing through the whole game mode. The normal village also sucks if you just upgrade all the way to th16 with lv1 defenses and then just focus on heroes.
@foldedcandle
12 күн бұрын
Rushing in builder base is more optimal
@Alex-ob4dr
Ай бұрын
I am currently builder base 7 the fact that I have being stuck in this level for like 2 months is stupid, I still have half of the base to upgrade but all the gold goes towards the walls because they are so fucking expensive that with all of the star bonus only got to 10 level 5 walls to upgrade... I don't know why is so expensive to upgrade anything in this base but holy... it sucks so much
@poomipatlurkudom3883
13 күн бұрын
Rush to builder hall 10, buys all defenses and upgrade them, after, you upgrade walls
@chillstoneblakeblast3172
Ай бұрын
Builder Base 2.0 Has the alternative Issue where As soon as you match the Gem Mine and get the 6th builder, You will never need to play the mode again to help the base game. Many people think that they could easily fix this if the Builder Base Star bonus gave Ores, but Star Jars might make Ores too cheap or whatnot. The true issue is that there is very little incentive to push up other than to upgrade walls when you max out everything else, as in Diamond League, you don't lose trophies for not attacking and can just sit there and do attacks any time you like when you feel like it. Legend League is boring and tedious but Diamond League is literal nothing
@pistolpete3199
Ай бұрын
If they eveeeeer gave ores away in builder star bonus SC would just make star jar have no bonus ores simple fix.
@andrewazar6716
Ай бұрын
Since the new 2.0 base update since then I’m always active and have a objective to max it out and the best is that what’s very unique for le is that the battles you play is very strategic gameplay not like the main base where you can spam
@TJ-hg6op
Ай бұрын
I definitely like going to builder base to do whatever whenever I have nothing to do in the main base. I do wish the upgrade times were far shorter, as you only have 1 builder half the time (and 2 at max) not to mention if you are gearing up in the main village. Also the currency and trophy system is flawed. Unlike the main base, the trophies gained and lost is equal no matter who your opponent is. The opponent could be builder hall 10 and you builder hall 5 and you would be treated as equals. So as you mentioned, the only way to progress efficiently is to purposely drop a huge amount of trophies, and then grind for an eternity just to buy an upgrade which takes an eternity. I also wish that the star bonuses had a more exponential amount of loot gained rather than linear. The 6th builder, gem mine, and gearing up is really the only practical reasons to play builder hall.
@juangal7569
8 күн бұрын
Getting the necessary loot takes more time, at least with the home base you can reach half or close to a million loot to upgrade your stuff to go at it again. Can't get skins for your Battle machine or Battle Copter to at least be enjoyable in that aspect, maybe even base. There needs to be some sort of clan War for the Builder base. Noticed there's no spells as well, maybe incorporate spells like the one slot ones, come up with Builder base exclusive troops like they belong in that part of the builder base world. If the builder base wants to maintain these small battles, they gotta immensely bump up the amount of loot we get from collecting, and what we receive from attacks and defend.
@madlad1741
Ай бұрын
Can you make a video about how everybody hates attacking or upgrading their town hall
@stomperlp8924
Ай бұрын
I just feel like the Builder base has not recieved much love from supercell. All upgrades have the same max level, it just feels like the havent put much thought into the design. I do 50% of my farming in builder base through the raid medal shop.
@loggerT123
Ай бұрын
Didnt you do this video already? Running out of ideas?
@redenmarcastaneda3998
2 сағат бұрын
Disfunctional: what does it even have? Gem mine: am I a joke to you?
@wertokamy
Ай бұрын
The only reason for going crossing that sea is during Clan Games
@nathanieljones8043
Ай бұрын
Micro builder base troops are much more dynamic. The problem is balance with troops and rewards we need a way to use its resources to get magic items.
@petersmith432
Ай бұрын
BB needs to add ore mines
@xxconnanxx5009
Ай бұрын
It’s really enjoyable once I pop those power and hero potions
@Blaze-im2ob
Ай бұрын
High key I think the real issue is how people frame the builder hall. If you just see it as a stupid think you have to do to get the 6th builder sure it sucks, but if you just take time and play it like you’re supposed to and casually, it’s not bad and kinda a fun similar, but different experience to the home village.
@terrariagell1604
Ай бұрын
battle machine need a crap amount of builder elixir and time consuming
@togetaro7734
Ай бұрын
It's only because it is such a grind. We already have the whole dose of grinding hell with the home village and then supercell thought this was a nice idea lmao
@nighthunter3824
Ай бұрын
The gem mine in the builder base gives 5 gems per day which is equal to 1825 gems per year.
@LD-sx9pr
Ай бұрын
I used to like it but It became boring and then kinda bad after the update.
@Bunnymisu
Ай бұрын
I'm on the same boat. I liked having a single base to upgrade. Once they split it, i just haven't touched my base at all. My goal to max BH9 ended prematurely because of the split.
@venom9885
Ай бұрын
Am I the only one who liked the builder base 2.0?
@redbool1115
Ай бұрын
@@venom9885the majority of people prefer 2.0, so no
@ALEXZANDER_YT
Ай бұрын
The mayority of zombies prefer 2.0? well ye, no shoking
@RextheCatYT
Ай бұрын
"Honestly, one of them deals less damage than a toxic fart, even at upgraded levels."9:20
@coolitten4937
Ай бұрын
The builder base exists so you can play clash while waiting for your main army to finish training
@SakakiSyndrome
Ай бұрын
Gold is too damn slow to earn
@terrariagell1604
Ай бұрын
true
@saladseller557
Ай бұрын
I think it’s only a thing because backyard monsters had something similar to it
@jellegoudriaan4962
Ай бұрын
The best way to give the builderbase life is that you can get ores for the home village with the starbonus
@LuckyDuckyGamesTWW
Ай бұрын
Ima be wiping up a python scrip to automate bulder base to farm elixer (and gold) as clsh in now out on PC. This will save me lots of time but is kinda sad of how grindy this part of clash of clans has become.
@mr.x2870
25 күн бұрын
The only problem with Builder Base is that at higher level, it is very hard to 3 star a base. For casual player like me, I can't alway plan my attack. They could add a additional army slot so that it becomes easy for us to atleast 3 stars. But coc will always prefer pro.
@billross9132
17 күн бұрын
The thing is they have to. If U can easily 3 star a base, both players will always draw and win. Thus making the league system very quick.
@innocent_boi-7
Ай бұрын
me who still puts effort into my builder base since im only at th9 be like: wait...im not supposed to try to trophy push the builder base?
@Alin-bv1xv
Ай бұрын
Who plays in buider base only for the 6 buider
@kaleka588
Ай бұрын
In boom beach, is warships, which is similar, but made way better and Has better rewards
@terrariagell1604
Ай бұрын
agree
@kingoflegends1029
Ай бұрын
Well today I got a new way to farm builder elixer
@scaredpolandball2313
Ай бұрын
what is annoying is the amount of time needed to amass the resources to even begin the builder upgrades the amount of gold you earn per battle is just sad
@NOTOUTGAMERSWORLD
Ай бұрын
I think tjis mode was made for Clan Games and quick spam attacks. Now Hero Potion and Power Potion are useful for max army attacking experience.
@passwordGG
17 күн бұрын
Once I get the 6th builder, I'll only use the gem mine. Also clan games
@markangelogarcia2584
Ай бұрын
Elix-CHiiiR😂😂😂
@the0sanitydokutah967
Ай бұрын
You don't need to wait to attack so I see that as a win. Although, the way of farming resources are very frustrating.
@NervousDrop
Ай бұрын
I like it. It's fun.
@domagoj4139
Ай бұрын
I have free to play 6th builder so my tip is to buy builder base elixir with capital medals and after time you will get it its just long term investment
@sageanimist48
Ай бұрын
I like the builder base I have max’d it, as it’s a lot quicker to get the clan games points
@EnderJack16
Ай бұрын
U can use night builder's resources for making capital coins
@Sans_The_Skeleton
Ай бұрын
builder base 👎 capital gold base 👍
@jeremywendelin
9 күн бұрын
Builder base needs,a feature like an ore mine. Or a new event like the 6th builder.
@jamesonate1563
Ай бұрын
They just introduce these ores right? why make it reward from star points from Builder base battles? So attract more players into it. Pushing trophies suck and upgrading walls is a nightmare! thats why as a FTP player i use raids medals to buy wall rings so i can focus upgrading my base rather than walls. Looting in Builder base is different.
@MegaNoim
Ай бұрын
at this point i only play the builder base just to finish my clan games faster. it feels like a chore.
@user-oy2zg3bt6n
Ай бұрын
one of the biggest sins of the builder base are upgrade costs i usually like to upgrade everything before the hall, but due to these costs it is SO FUCKING HARD! practically everything cost around half of your max reserves or more! troop upgrades, defense upgrades, hero upgrades all of them do that. but BY FAR the biggest sinners of this are the walls, oh GOD the walls: in builder hall 5 each wall costs 150,000 gold. this is A TENTH of your MAX reserves at that level (max is 1,500,000 at BH 5) so you can only upgrade 10 walls from level 4 to level 5 (you hear this correct, that 150,000 cost is only for the LATEST LEVEL of a wall) and you have around 110 walls in that level! you need to fill your reserves 11 time JUST to upgrade all level 4 walls to level 5 in builder hall 5! this DIDN'T take into account upgrading, ANY of the defenses, ANY of the troops to GET the gold, ANY of the walls to level 4 nor the clearing of ANY object!
@avaraz6941
Ай бұрын
I never fight in the main base because I must wait for troops to build, so I can't just launch clash and play ahainst players, because the game timekeep me. And even if I wanted to, its' kind of useless. It's been a month, and I never actually needed to fight against people because my gold/elixir generation is enough to build everything I want.. The builder base remove this issue. I can play as much as I want, without losing anything. I really like it.
@franciszekkonador9149
Ай бұрын
i like builder base and enjoyed even before the rework
@roejieks
Ай бұрын
Just needs spells and more builders and it would be fine
@ric1101
Ай бұрын
I’ve seen other point this out but are you using ai to generate scripts? Or is English your first language? I’m saying this because all your statements use matter of fact language that never use anything of substance. I’ve been working alongside ai text generators to be able to tell them apart when correcting others answering to writing prompts. So I know a decent amount on the structure ai would use to create answers to prompts and one of the huge red flags is the use of grammar. The grammar used in your language is varied mix of formal and colloquial English that makes zero sense at times. And this use of varied tone of English sentence to sentence is not common at all and is actually thought out of speakers learning English.Not saying you are using ai because people who don’t speak English as a first language make these mistakes to but I felt like I needed to point it out
@ELITEzinho
Ай бұрын
I only dislike the abysmal loot we get from each battle in builder hall
@Labiumminus
24 күн бұрын
BB is only good for 6 Builder and the Gem Mine on Maxt lvl! Its all 24 Hours 18 Gems for free and for easy Clan Games!
@JuliaJuanaAlvarez
Ай бұрын
It's simply to big, it's like a homebase 2.0 where you need to put alot of time into to max it. Maxing your homebase at higher townhalls already takes alot of time so who wants to do that twice. Builder base should be small with not more than 10-15 buildings at max
@jonathanfleming809
Ай бұрын
It takes way to long to gather loot and upgrade buildings in builder base. Stuff is to expensive
@user-qg6oo9re7g
Ай бұрын
❤🎉
@fransiskusxaveriusalbertka7981
Ай бұрын
5:35 flying machine💀💀. It’s not Clash Royale.
@cetadel6597
Ай бұрын
I genuinely enjoy the Builder Base.
@diamondranger8602
Ай бұрын
Tbh I feel like most of the issues with the builder base would be fixed if they added more gear ups and home village rewards
@NAME13786
Ай бұрын
I love it its my only chance to max a base while f2p
@zenmode11
Ай бұрын
I have a problem with no one complaining about the loot. My current upgrades are at 3.6 million. If I manage to get 6 stars in every single attack, I would need 78 attacks for a single upgrade. Multiply that for each building and troop, i would be needing to attack about 2,900 times for all upgrades if i get 3 stars for every single attack. Needing to attack over 3,000 times for all upgrades to go up a townhall is absurd.
@chesron456
Ай бұрын
We need more Builder Base levels!
@jaytoven7
Ай бұрын
nothing wrong with builder base after the rework.
@jeeva1
Ай бұрын
Yapper from yapan , yapping about everything in coc
@Jb-953
Ай бұрын
Six builder thats it
@cheradenine1980
Ай бұрын
Builder Base to clash of clans is what clan wars 2 is to clash royale Mind bending that they haven’t fixed or just deleted
@Tht_Guy1213
23 күн бұрын
bro reminded me to do my clan games 😭
@auraundmare4850
Ай бұрын
The thing for me with the builder base is that I‘m not getting enough resources, In the normal village I can earn up to 1.2 Million gold and Elixier
@auraundmare4850
Ай бұрын
…In a Single Attack
@crumpolcrumsvods8564
Ай бұрын
i actualy like builder base more then normal village
@Mohammed_Aly
Ай бұрын
To me, I have never attacked in thr builderbase since September or October of last year's because I hate how when I want to do an attack to get loot, I am forced to face the player the games gives me instead of letting me skip like in the home village
@franknbeanz8819
10 күн бұрын
Builder base should just be deleted. Supercell literally charging us 2$ a month for builder base loot when 90% of the people don’t even care. Also bb10 upgrade times take to long and cost to much.
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