Nothing better than 3 Aussie blokes sitting in a room full of Porsches telling the truth about the car industry. The story about the lady with the MG is a belter 🙂
@clarencesilvia3863
4 ай бұрын
I sell them but I do always say exactly where MG is made now, they're bang for buck new cars
@Orvieta
4 ай бұрын
@@clarencesilvia3863 Is that why they're so damn F* ugly?
@alexalechna6766
4 ай бұрын
My experience with non dealer mechanics is that they are just oil changers. When they say log book service, which should take 3 hours and they do it in 30 mins, are bull shitters
@symontabbenor2186
4 ай бұрын
@@alexalechna6766 I think you have been going to the wrong mechanics. When you find a mechanic like Redriven's Jim Hull you will understand the difference.
@BundyPoppy
4 ай бұрын
@@alexalechna6766 Don't brand all Mechanics as Bullshitters because of your poor decisions.
@nicholaskaye61
4 ай бұрын
I've got a good one for you and I'm happy to name and shame ha - Northshore VW (also tried Bill Buckle VW Brookvale and had the same response). I bought a T6 Transporter - shortly after purchase i realised there was a recall for leaking rocker cover gasket. Took it to Northshore VW approx 2 after purchase to replace rocker cover gasket. Upon receiving the car back there was a very strong smell of diesel. On inspection there was a very large diesel leak on the top of block around fuel lines above injectors. Immediately took the car back. 6 weeks later i was told all 4 injectors had failed and I would need to pay $4.5k - at my own cost - not covered under warranty. Car had less than 1000kms on it, and had driven less than 20kms since the rocker cover gasket was replaced by the dealer. VW told me they had not touched the fuel system when doing the rocker cover and insisted that, no, miraculously, all 4 injectors had failed. NOT true, as in order to remove the rocker cover, the fuel lines and injectors MUST be removed (the fuel lines are also designated single use by VW and are supposed to be replaced with new ones once removed). After nearly 5 months, and legal action, Northshore VW finally conceded (although never admitted liability) and fixed under 'good will'. The entire time was left carless and never offered a replacement/loan car. Fun times.
@mthobisikheswa438
4 ай бұрын
😢 yooh!
@funshorestudios
4 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing
@tecnaman9097
4 ай бұрын
SOP at a stealership.
@jameshamilton533
4 ай бұрын
That’s a shocker. Glad you persisted.
@dashman1620
4 ай бұрын
You mean the VW in Artarmon?
@bigfella6629
4 ай бұрын
Back a while ago I came into a large sum of money where I could walk into a dealership and buy a new car outright with cash. In the end I bought a privately owned 15 year old secondhand car in really good nick.
@robertfonovic3551
4 ай бұрын
Wise choice.
@neiltitmus9744
4 ай бұрын
Used your brain
@dmimcg
4 ай бұрын
Me too. I have the money to buy ANY car for cash I want. I still drive my 20 year old Jeep because the new ones are crap.
@rEdHoUsE_1969
4 ай бұрын
Finally an adult conversation(s) about the car industry in Australia & the world. I really enjoyed this two part series from the Redriven team and John.
@fhclappen8595
4 ай бұрын
Only Australia hasn't got an car industry, it only got imports cars sales industries. But I fully agree with these guys.The whole car manufacturing industry,all of them is helbend to fleece you the end user. They want you to buy a new vehicle ever 3 years,or with every midlife updates.With a few thousand dollars added.
@KenanTurkiye
4 ай бұрын
'This' is beyond Australia, 'this' is beyond the car industry. There's 'something' else that's wrong, globaly.
@JimboJones-qn4wd
4 ай бұрын
I know of someone who purchased a car from a well-known dealer and took their car back there to be serviced, because most people think that their car will be in the best hands doing that, and when they came to collect their car and started it up, the engine made all sorts of terrible noises. They went back to the service department and explained the situation and they drove the car back to the workshop and 10 minutes later came back and said they couldn't find anything wrong. The car ran normally now. The dealership did not admit to doing anything wrong, BUT WHAT HAPPENED is that when they drained the oil, they FORGOT to put new oil in it. So when they took it back to the workshop for 10 minutes, all they did was put new oil in and it sounded and ran normally BUT WOULD NOT ADMIT TO FORGETTING TO PUT OIL IN IT. The car was only 12 months old and the engine was probably F**** because of what they did. BUT remember, take your new car back to the dealer for servicing because they are the best, most well-trained technicians to work on your new car.
@hilbert3506
4 ай бұрын
That's why when ever I pick up my car from a service, the first thing I do is open the bonnet and pull the dipstick and check that there is oil in there and at the right level before I even start the engine and drive off. Have heard of a few horror stories like the one you mentioned.
@lukeclifton4392
4 ай бұрын
@@hilbert3506I had my A-class in for transmission work at the dealership. Picked it up from the dealership and when driving down the road I went to wash the windscreen (vehicle wasn’t washed on handover)… and nothing happened, not even the noise of the pump. So I pulled into the nearest Servo to refill the washer bottle and on popping the hood, the washer bottle and the plastic covers were missing, the RHS headlight not fitted correctly and a rag left stuffed in beside the engine with a $nap-on wrench on top!!! The wrench got hidden😜… and I drove back to the dealer to question where the other half of my engine bay was!!!
@jamesforge8107
4 ай бұрын
I used to work a service station in the early 80’s. one of our regular customers had a Sigma. The engine in it wasn’t very healthy. I was told that it had been driven about 10km from the dealer without any engine oil. Permanent damage had been done but obviously had not shown up until after the warranty had expired. We always double checked when we serviced a car. Worst thing we ever did was “filled” the sump with its plug out. That gets noticed pretty quickly 😊
@waynemangan7200
3 ай бұрын
I always laugh in horror when I hear someone saying how they proudly have their car serviced at the brands dealership, wondering how many thousands they've been talked out of over their lifetime, then wondering how they never knew the first rule of car ownership.. DONT use swindler dealer service unless you absolutely have too, or oil changes only, and DONT take them at their word. This is like believing that the WHO cares about you.
@laceyunderall68
4 ай бұрын
As a consumer I’m fed up to the back teeth with being scammed and ripped off!
@mvnorsel6354
4 ай бұрын
Profit is not a dirty word.
@cygnusghedepereu6885
4 ай бұрын
Then stop calling yourself a consumer and treat yourself as a self respecting customer. The kind that doesn’t buy into bullshit because it’s new and marketed up the ass creek
@cygnusghedepereu6885
4 ай бұрын
If you will reply with what are we to do, but nothing? My prepared answer is yes, boycott them all until they make a proper good durable product
@AlexLilford
4 ай бұрын
Great podcast guys. As the owner of an Audi S3 I can attest to the in ability of main dealer servicing. I had a windscreen replaced when it was 2 years old. I was told by the windscreen company that it needed a sensor calibrating. Audi did this but then the car would veer sharp left when the lane departure tracking was on. It took 4 trips to the dealer, each time they told they road tested the car. After a couple of days with the car they discovered the geometry was out of alignment. I have not been back to an Audi dealer again and never will.
@Rapscallion2009
4 ай бұрын
Yep. years ago I worked for an Organisation that kept using lots of Vauxhall products. I asked why and was told it was because it was part of the UK Government and they had to buy British. The car was being fixed, so I pointed to the plate under the bonnet where it says it was made overseas "oh, but it's a british company" - Vauxhall at the time was owned by General Motors. So it's an American car made in Spain (I think - this was 2 decades ago). If we'd been using Hondas (Swindon), Nissans (Sunderland) or Toyotas (Burnaston) they're have been providing more British jobs as all those cars are actually made here - even if they DO have Japanese brands. Oh. And we wouldn't have been having the conversation anyway as those cars wouldn't have required me to talk to the motorpool about the vehicle quite so regularly as this "british" Vauxhall did.
@TheKnobCalledTone.
4 ай бұрын
That poor lady who missed the memo... MG now stands for Mao's Garage
@igypop.
4 ай бұрын
😁😁😁
@NERGYStudios
4 ай бұрын
Your cookie, sir. 🍪
@romper6698
4 ай бұрын
Agree completely - the number of people ive spoken to who think they've bought a "UK" brand is hilarious. But to be fair, given how truly awful the UK car industry was, I think the people buying a current MG have actually had a win!
@Actually-y7j
4 ай бұрын
Them Strange Rover owners also think they are driving British!!
@romper6698
4 ай бұрын
@@Actually-y7j Yeah - I almost feel sorry for them. Almost... 😁
@jerrycolbourn584
4 ай бұрын
I've had the dealership not torque my front wheel lug nuts and had the wheel wobbling loose on the M4... that was enough for me to learn how to service the car myself.
@paulgolde6490
4 ай бұрын
Hello Oz! Mmmerica here. So much good stuff here in this 2 part series but the point that really yanks my chain is the concept of obsolescence and constantly trading in for an increasingly expensive replacement. I bought new in 1992 a Ford F150 5.8L V-8 truck for $18,600 OTD and I’m still driving it 270,000 miles later. Over the near quarter century I’ve owned it, I’ve replaced a radiator, 2 alternators, 2 sets of brakes, 3 sets of tires and just recently finally rebuilt the starter and replaced the solenoid out of shame. Engine and tranny are original and both have had regular fluid service. It’ll be a classic soon!
@rtmpgt
4 ай бұрын
it's already a classic by definition. Classic cars are any cars that're over 30 years old.
@subwayfacemelt4325
4 ай бұрын
"Near quarter of a century"!?!? It's 2024!! That is 32 YEARS!!! Awesome work Paul! Awesome!!
@robcig
4 ай бұрын
Well done mate. Look after her and she’ll look after you.
@EricAdamsYT
4 ай бұрын
You mentioned the idea of not filling the oil properly, and I just had that happen at one of the large quick service places. My wife asked why I was bothering to check the level which should make sense, but I had a nagging feeling that they did something like that and, sure enough, it was a quart low, and it definitely isn't that the car is leaking or burning oil. The best part is that I'm sure the corporate lawyers have weaseled wording into the agreement we sign that absolves them from being required to completely fill the oil. Corporations really suck for consumers. Another thing worth mentioning is that I had a third-party warranty transferred to me by a private seller, which turned out to be amazing. It really was comprehensive. Even the shop manager was surprised that they covered so much. He had begrudgingly submitted the claim, assuming they would deny it. The company was USAA, which serves military, veterans, and their eligible family members. I think they have since stopped selling extended warranties because they are too costly when you actually pay for things.
@jevgeniardassov
4 ай бұрын
Watched the other part, what a breath of fresh air, literally. The marketing BS is killing me recently…
@markfoster6110
4 ай бұрын
Peter Werrett who remembers him
@club1fan552
3 ай бұрын
YES! That show "Torque" was brilliant and by the way, I don't care that the bloke would wear a frock. Couldn't give a toss.
@rsr20t
4 ай бұрын
Goes the opposite way too. I had a 2013 BMW X3 30D. At 100,000km I noticed a lack of performance and decided to drop it into the local BMW (well known) specialist in Castle Hill to investigate, being told required a $3,000 fix to replace the EGR cooler on the front of the engine. Some google searches found this to be a BMW recall item. When fixed bt the dealer, they advised they are doing this multiple times a day. For a so called high profile BMW specialist to not be aware of this issue and try and lighten my wallet of $3,000 for what was a known issue, I quickly realised was not the type of people I wanted to be looking after my cars going forward.
@straith181265
4 ай бұрын
absolutely love this guys!!! you should seriously take this on the road! I reckon people would pay money to listen to you guys discuss the absolute truths if this corrupt and evil industry! Keep it up!! please make this a regular with John and other luminaries like him. 👍👍👍👍👍
@ravipeiris4388
4 ай бұрын
Five minutes in, I'm hooked to this collaboration. Writing from California, please tell me that this won't be the last ❤.
@ReDriven
4 ай бұрын
Potentially not! But nevertheless, part 2 is over on John’s channel
@kallekas8551
4 ай бұрын
@@ReDrivenYou guys are…the best!
@jamesfarnarkler
4 ай бұрын
The stars have aligned. Now if you could fly Scotty Kilmer in to have a chat!!
@@X9Z17 oh and he's leaving where he's living every week too.
@ManMan-cl1gg
4 ай бұрын
@@X9Z17damn you had me for a moment there, had to google it
@DavidH-qk8og
4 ай бұрын
Breaking! Pregnant man tells all to the ladies regarding pregnancy and motherhood, because he can. Later in the show he cries and feels marginalised, threatened and not as relevant as desired. The fact filled and researched spotlight show is delivered in a relaxed atmosphere of hypocrisy and megalomania, it is a must see of course. 5🌟
@ReDriven
4 ай бұрын
Cheers!
@chasingstoke
4 ай бұрын
Nothing better than three genuine dudes having a respectful and reasonably accurate chat about some pretty important topics. Wasn't sure what to expect going into this one but it was great (from an environmental scientist)
@schrenk-d
4 ай бұрын
Once worked at a dealer as an apprentice mechanic and later on I as their IT person. The front desk service team would get a commission for upselling customers on service items, and none of them had any mechanical background. Astonishing how many power steering fluid flushes would be sold at that place... when 80% of the cars sold had electric power steering...
@daveowen378
4 ай бұрын
When I was an advisor for a major manufacturer, the upsells I got a commission on came from the service tech - who also received a commission, I at least had enough knowledge to know when a bullshit recommendation was bullshit.
@JohnPerri-p8w
4 ай бұрын
Got a call in 2000 from the dealership after dropping my car for a service (20,000km) - upsell for power steering fluid flush, and fuel injection cleaning. Car was 18 months old. Told them to go ahead and replace the power steering fluid ...if they could find it (hint - it had no power steering, and car was purchased new from that dealer).
@NickdeZwart
4 ай бұрын
I once bought a used car warranty on a $6000 AU Ghia 12 years ago. To my surprise the gearbox went a few months after purchase & was fully repaired by a local mechanic paid by the warranty company.
@subwayfacemelt4325
4 ай бұрын
That truly is impressive.
@tvloungeroom
4 ай бұрын
Thank you Adam and Jim. Most aspects of the auto/ fuel industri is big money and riddled with lies and falsehood, we. ( most of us ) have known this for a very long time. However I don't think that your channel is helped by inviting a person filled to the brim with self prophesies and simple opinions. Your take and "opinion" on things is rather more hinged in reality, and watchable. "There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn't true: the other is to refuse to believe what is true."
@The_Ossifrage
4 ай бұрын
I'm very happy that John talked about the environmental pollution aspect of cars, and their technological progress. It's tough being someone who studies and works in environmental science/management and also enjoys cars, because many enthusiasts are hell-bent on not understanding the wider picture of why regulations and emission controls are important. It's also great that vehicle longevity was mentioned, as I feel like many people are way too caught up in a cycle of consumerism. I drive a 14-year old car and I hope it lasts at least a decade more - no oil leaks so far, so fingers crossed!
@paulklp8262
4 ай бұрын
Most 'enthusiasts' base their entire personalities around their cars because they have achieved nothing of substance in their lives. It's kinda sad, but their lack of intellect is infuriating.
@rtmpgt
4 ай бұрын
@@paulklp8262car enthusiast here. Less cars on the road means more road and fuel for people who actually need to drive or who enjoy driving to use. That’s entirely the point of sustainability, making the resources we have last longer. It’s why I’m a massive public transit advocate despite my interest in cars
@robertfonovic3551
4 ай бұрын
@@paulklp8262Thanks Einswine. What a lot of generalisation from a self-appointed expert on human behaviour. You are a bigot. Go away now!!
@The_Ossifrage
4 ай бұрын
@@rtmpgt Exactly! Imagine seeing bumper-to-bumper traffic, 99% of people who don't want to be there, and thinking that's a good thing. If I had to drive to work in the city every time... I see why people would want to get a Tesla and just auto-pilot their way around.
@TeeDubsz
2 ай бұрын
This is what infuriates me about people like Scotty Kilmer or Car Wizard. Like sure, you're a great mechanic with decades of experience. But you're also a complete dumbass when it comes to anything involving politics or the environment, and you're giving millions of people the wrong message because you don't know any better.
@mahcooharper9577
4 ай бұрын
Enjoyed the podcast, good to see another collab with JC. And on the first topic, MG actually write "since 1924" on their stuff - if that's not misleading I don't know what is...
@M4rt_FX
4 ай бұрын
Misleading, perhaps. Are car companies lying in this regard as these guys suggest? No.
@mahcooharper9577
4 ай бұрын
@@M4rt_FX you can buy an MG with a Union Jack on the roof. And Minis have the Union Jack concealed in their tail lights. That's dishonest. And do you think the average Q7 driver would feel as good about their $100k Audi if they knew it was made in Slovakia not Germany?
@Orvieta
4 ай бұрын
Anybody can go on the internet, and everybody does right? Up to you to believe what you want or go a bit deeper towards the truth.
@paulklp8262
4 ай бұрын
@@mahcooharper9577How is it dishonest? It's a British brand made im China.
@bpaddon
4 ай бұрын
@@paulklp8262how is it a British brand these days exactly ?
@JohnWood302
4 ай бұрын
I service all my cars - 6 month oil changes for everyone - one Camry 7 years old, Falcon 20 Yr old, Fairmont 53 year Old - all get filters and new oil weather driven hard or not!!! We did the same on the farm when I was a kid - regular oil changes for every tractor truck car!!! SO - they all lasted thousands of hours or 100 000's kilometers!!
@zappy7393
4 ай бұрын
Same here...I have a 2009 Ford Fiesta shopping trolley with 320000km on the clock. Not a single mechanical failure.
@maxflight777
4 ай бұрын
My Tesla will never need a service, and will last for 750,000 miles.
@miskatonic6210
4 ай бұрын
@@maxflight777You wish 😂
@AussiePom
4 күн бұрын
@@maxflight777 Unless you have proven longevity don't boast how long you think your car will last as it's future is never certain.
@leoncornwell7510
4 ай бұрын
Wifes car had a mandatory Takata airbag recall. Asked if I could do it myself to avoid the stealership (A:no), so took it to VW (Lismore NSW). They did the job & a sometime later wife is complaining about random stalling when slowing down at intersections. I changed fuel filter, scanned for codes, asked my favourite independant to look at it - no idea. Then one day I noticed the upshift paddle didn't work. Pulled air bag out to find they'd crushed the wires when doing the recall & randomly the car was trying to upshift when slowing down (hence the stalling). >12 months of my wife ear bashing me about the car misbehaving bcause the d!ck$ couldn't do a simple job properly. I fixed it myself with 2nd hand parts.
@froggy0162
4 ай бұрын
Be careful guys - the idea that an old car lasting longer is better for emissions is not necessarily true. It feels true intuitively, but the very vast majority of a cars lifetime impact is in its use. A surprisingly small improvement in efficiency in a new car over an older one means in many cases scrapping a 10 year old and making a new more efficient one from scratch and running that for 10 years is better than running the old one for 20. So don’t automatically assume keeping an old one on the road is better. In some cases that is true, but it’s not a universal rule.
@liamandrewartha4803
4 ай бұрын
It’s worth noting Australian lithium mining is traditional hard- rock like iron ore, not the evaporation-type which they do in South America.
@benc8763
4 ай бұрын
and the anecdote of a bird landing in a lithium evopration pit... give me a break.... have a look at Canadian oil sands mining and think of that next time filling up at the bowser
@imwalking1690
4 ай бұрын
Unfortunately this is the world we live in where people are willing to sell their integrity for a dollar.
@ReDriven
4 ай бұрын
Car makers?
@robertfonovic3551
4 ай бұрын
Including yourself? 😅
@themightiness
4 ай бұрын
Toyota is very honest about this. I remember commercials decades ago about the Toyota plants in the US and how so many Toyotas sold here were made here
@australianoz
4 ай бұрын
I know it's not an available option for everyone, but you're exposing exactly why I never, ever, put my car in a garage for any servicing...or for any other reason. I have 3 cars, 20 yrs old each and running fine and still going strong.
@burtonsmiddleclassreview4511
4 ай бұрын
As a Hyundai tech on the Northside of Brisbane, I agree that a lot of what is said here is correct. However, I will say we can recommend customers change their cabin filter etc, but half the time they say no, even if it is completely full of dirt and leaves and all we can do is try to dust it out for them. We also have a qualified technician who is our Quality Controller and all he does is check our work when we finish the service to ensure everything is correct, right down to the service sticker. Not all dealerships are the same. Also it is getting incredibly hard to find and keep good, experienced technicians when here in Queensland you make two to three times as much money driving a coal truck in an open cut coal mine than working in a dealership. I know because I was making way more back in 2012 when I worked at Peak Downs coal mine driving a coal truck.
@nithianathan7962
4 ай бұрын
There's a lot of fat to be trimmed in the industry when coal price tanks. Queensland is in trouble when that happens
@1969cmp
4 ай бұрын
@@nithianathan7962....coal is used in the manufacturing of solar panels. So the enviro guys will need to face the reality that coal is still going to be dug up.
@quintonc12
4 ай бұрын
These guys should be the cast of top gear australia
@johnstaring3210
4 ай бұрын
My son recently had his Nissan Patrol serviced prior to warranty expiry. Bonnet struts still had Kimberley red dust on them, so not replaced despite dealer saying they were, and the cover for the air intake left loose, toggle clamps not applied !. Make sure you check EVERYTHING after a service ! My LC200 had the centre diff light come on on the dash, which meant no low range and no cruise control. Dealer said they could not find the fault so then suggested they just disconnect the light ! I kid you not !!
@RichieRouge206
4 ай бұрын
This is just brilliant Adam! You and Jim are some of my favourite and REAL motoring journalists now along with John. To see you all together chatting really is a big big deal to me! Amazing. You should also invite Simon (MGuy Australia) to join and create a real powerhouse of proper motoring and engineering common sense! I remember really ruining someone’s day who were showing off in their new Mercedes C-class and how it was German Engineering at it’s finest. I pointed out that actually his car was South African - made in Port Elizabeth. He didn’t believe me until I pointed out the VIN sticker where it clearly said ‘made in South Africa’ 😂 The look of disappointment and his reaction of anger was absolutely hilarious 😆 Fabulous video.
@BigCarKilla
4 ай бұрын
Thank euro standards for the extra long service intervals. It has zero to do with service costs, it’s 100% to do with Euro standards, as the disposal of oil contributes to a bigger hit against meeting Euro 7 etc.
@JR-wu1fg
4 ай бұрын
Exactly it's one of the reasons for lifetime fill zf gearboxes. During the first few years of a cars life you don't take the made up environment penalty of waste oil. Zf requests you change oil in. These boxes.
@FlamencoOz
4 ай бұрын
He is right on the BS re recycling and plastics. My wife has done the deep dive on this a few yrs ago and all true.
@subwayfacemelt4325
4 ай бұрын
Yeah, it really hurt finding out that one in 2021, about 30 years after I began "recycling"...What a waste!
@TeeDubsz
2 ай бұрын
Most recycling is good. He just happened to point out the one major counter to that (plastics). Cardboard, paper, metals, and glass are all easily and efficiently recyclable. Don't let road bumps in a solution lead you down the path of apathy.
@subwayfacemelt4325
2 ай бұрын
@@TeeDubszWill it save us from plastics?
@Seiskid
4 ай бұрын
Great commentary. I'd love a car that you can maintain for 30 years. Like we used to have 20 years ago. Scared to buy a new car now because after 7 years they're a throwaway.
@GT-pl1wx
4 ай бұрын
Same here
@WatchGeek
4 ай бұрын
As per service intervals, I've already posted a comment on a similar video: EVERY SINGLE MANUAL of EVERY SINGLE car I drove, ACTUALLY states the LONG intervals are jn ideal conditions only. Each manual had an asterix next to the high mile number and if you jump to the explanation of the asterix, it basically tells you to HALF the interval if driven in one of the following: and then proceeds to name EVERY driving scenario except pure highway driving. So NO the manual not trying to fool you, it's just that people read them at a glance and the dealers don't tell you to read the fine print. I do changes twice a year, or roughly every 3.000-5.000 miles, BECAUSE my manul states to do, and never had any problems with any of my cars. Current one has been with me 15 years, since new and still drives problem free
@stevemawer848
4 ай бұрын
FYI: "asterix" is a cartoon Gaul, the * is an asterisk.
@TomLaios
4 ай бұрын
I was considering selling my 2012 VE, but thank god I haven't .I will keep it until the wheels fall off.
@wilydimayuga519
4 ай бұрын
You 3 guys should also be part of Top Gear Australia, mates ❤
@Orvieta
4 ай бұрын
No, they would better not be part of that franchise.
@JR-wu1fg
4 ай бұрын
Top gear died a decade ago
@wilydimayuga519
4 ай бұрын
I mean even as a guest or something.
@edvoon
4 ай бұрын
This interview makes me so happy I bought a Tesla. It’s well known where Teslas are made - Fremont, Texas, Berlin or Shanghai depending on which part of the world you are. No servicing for the first 4-5 years and no dealerships to suck your money away. My previous cars start feeling old once they hit 100,000km, but for an EV it’s just par for the course and you don’t notice their age. Charging from solar means NO combustion, not even remote combustion (alright - maybe at the Sun) And the slightly more emissions used to make them are recovered within the first 2 years, thereafter being totally emissions free. People are always going to be buying new cars anyway so it might as well be an EV. Not the solution, but at least better than the alternative which was what got us into the mess in the first place.
@rtmpgt
4 ай бұрын
Were your solar panels made with renewable energy? What about your batteries? What about your car's mineral mining? No such thing as a free lunch ;)
@edvoon
4 ай бұрын
Gotta start somewhere. At the very least I’m not giving those dastardly oil barons any more of my money. Who are incidentally the ones funding fake news about how “BAD” renewable energy or EVs are. The worst thing to do is absolutely nothing and just keep burning the planet.
@mikeandhev
4 ай бұрын
You forgot to mention how the rare earth minerals for the battery are mined and the appalling conditions for the people working in the mines are.
@Raturidesagain
4 ай бұрын
@@mikeandhevunlike the dream lifestyle enjoyed in the Middle East sandbox clusterf*** egged on by western oil interests….
@sirtyjuan
4 ай бұрын
@@mikeandhevNo rare earth elements in ANY battery. And no cobalt or nickel in any LFP battery
@davidarter9670
4 ай бұрын
Very few cars are built to last 30 years. The W123 Benz and the Lexus LS430 are two that spring to mind…
@tjord
4 ай бұрын
My GS/Aristo is 21 and going strong!
@mikeandhev
4 ай бұрын
My 2009 Smart ForTwo diesel is 15 years old so its halfway there. 😊
@JR-wu1fg
4 ай бұрын
E39 5 series 250k and 23 years old. Do all servicing myself had it for half its life. 6 month oil changes and stay on top of all the brittle plastics in the cooling system
@BooF308
4 ай бұрын
My Hilux is 24 years old, still see plenty about. Like a mates LandCruiser. Toyota won't be making those 'mistakes' again.
@davidarter9670
4 ай бұрын
@@BooF308 We have a couple of old Hiluxes in my family. Brilliant and indestructible.
@Tech-49
4 ай бұрын
Speaking of non-upgradeability - I have just absolutely TRANSFORMED my 2011 Mazda 3 BL by installing an Eonon M3BLA12S Android head unit that provides Wireless Apple Carplay and a 9" touchscreen. It's completely plug and play and looks 100% factory. God bless you Eonon for putting the R&D into modernising my old car. I hope you make a fortune out of this product as I see heaps of these Mazda 3s still getting around in great condition.
@mickhofman
4 ай бұрын
If you want your car to become a Lemon, use dealer service.. You are much better to find a specialist independent for your type of vehicle..
@rtmpgt
4 ай бұрын
Yeah, or just find a competent mechanic who can source OEM parts for your car. The dealers still make money selling parts, the mechanics make money by providing good service. Easy as.
@alexanderswagin9618
4 ай бұрын
Hi guys, watch you all. Regarding Jim’s and John’s comments about how many previous “cars of the year” you would actually purchase. I nominate the Honda CRZ which I have recently taken possession of my second example. My first one was a revelation, this time a higher specification and less kilometres. The CRZ is very much a small light car with great handling ,far more room than a MX5and doesn’t need massive power so as a consequence you benefit by not needing bigger brakes, uprated cooling system and more weight. Above walking pace the car is very responsive, don’t need to win traffic lights grand prix every time but you don’t have to slow down for roundabouts or bends and maintain speed on the highway. Side benefit is high 4s for economy. Fully equipped and no squeaks or rattles. Still available for your program. Cheers.
@mikearend997
4 ай бұрын
Most of the cars you mentioned may be built in other countries, they are still designed in their home countries.
@sahhull
4 ай бұрын
My current vehicle is 21 years old. Its clocked 483,000 miles without being rebuilt. Its being serviced by my good self. I dont do because its green, i just refuse to throw away a perfectly operating vehicle.
@karlbenz4925
4 ай бұрын
You can always re-spray it in a different colour, just saying😉
@schrenk-d
4 ай бұрын
I've been awaiting this collaboration for a while. Thank you all involved.
@joblogs1072
4 ай бұрын
We bought a 2015 Patrol with a stamped full service history from the original dealer with 88K km, the air filter looked like it had never been replaced and the same for the fuel filter. Dealers are just outright thieves people take there cars in for the expensive dealer service and the dealers might change the oil if your lucky. They charge the most and do the least that they think they can get away with, where is the policing and compliance to regulate these dealer crooks?
@RodneyW
4 ай бұрын
Re: car manufacturing. Where the car is made/assembled often does make a substantive difference, even though many of the parts are multi-national. At the end of the day, the thoroughness of quality control reflects national strengths and weaknesses. You can see the quality difference in a Mercedes made in Mexico, vs one made in Germany. The Mazda's made in Japan are noticeably better than those made in Thailand.
@somat111
4 ай бұрын
That can work the other way too, I have a Ford Focus made in Thailand that has been faultless compared to the German made Focus that the Brits get, at least going by the endless dramas they have on forums.
@RodneyW
4 ай бұрын
@@somat111 You are absolutely right.
@miskatonic6210
4 ай бұрын
How does quality control reflect a country? Quality control of a product is managed by the company! The company has total control over what employees are expected to do. It's total racist bullshit to blame that on a country and its people. When a Mercedes from Mexico is worse, Mercedes wants it to be worse. They could just fly someone over to say: "Nope, not good enough, that won't hit the road, train the staff, do it better."
@RodneyW
4 ай бұрын
@@miskatonic6210 No racism ... dude... just a simple statement of fact. A country's prevailing culture has an impact on quality. For example... the Australian car industry no longer exists, because .... quite simply... we made cr*p cars. Even when they were designed well... they were made badly. The same goes for the UK. Japanese cars made in Japan are noticeably better than those made elsewhere.
@donschiffer7400
4 ай бұрын
I’ve maintained my own cars and the warranty was fine. I simply kept all my receipts for parts, oil etc.. and kept a service log.
@browie316
4 ай бұрын
I'm not one for podcasts normally. But I found this informative and entertaining. Great work boys. 👍
@ReDriven
4 ай бұрын
Cheers for watching!
@sd3457
4 ай бұрын
I do this myself. I tell Americans that "I went to school in Cambridge" and let them believe I went to Cambridge University.
@cygnusghedepereu6885
4 ай бұрын
I also have a theoretical degree in physics
@adzy166
4 ай бұрын
Yeah like getting a BSc- bronze swimming certificate
@Rapscallion2009
4 ай бұрын
I read law at Oxford. It was on the wall of the Westgate shopping centre, next to the words "Stuff the".....
@stevegraham3041
4 ай бұрын
Most Americans think it’s possible to drive to London from the US mainland
@chrisbeerad8835
4 ай бұрын
John needs some life advice regarding health and nutrition . I can help and will hit him up on the website for THAT
@neatengineering
4 ай бұрын
I listened to this while driving my 1992 80 series Landcruiser. No computers in that car. All I need is Android Auto and a reversing camera. Since it has a double DIN head unit, that will cost under $1,000.
@Ozcrazy49
4 ай бұрын
Absolutely absorbing stuff. Well done guys.
@Micro-Motive
4 ай бұрын
I was fortunate in buying a second hand vehicle from a small Used-car Dealer who offered Third-party Used-car Warranty, which I researched well before purchase. I negotiated to include a higher level of Warranty in the price, as the next level included cover for not just the basic "engine & drivetrain" but also the vehicle "running electronics" and a 3-year Warranty period. The vehicle was then serviced at Specialist Third-party Workshops since purchase in 2014. The Bosch Alternator and the Ignition Control Module both failed around the same time, and within the Warranty Period. The Warranty Company paid for BOTH items, their fault diagnosis and the fitting of new components at around $800+ each without any arguments. So there are some Reputable Third-party Warranties available, and the only "catch" to me was the requirement to have the vehicle "serviced (Oil & Oil Filter change) " and check at a Licensed Mechanic at 10k intervals instead of the factory 15k interval. So $1600+ that didn't come out of my pocket. Moral of the story as usual - DO YOUR HOMEWORK!
@P_FamilyJAR
4 ай бұрын
i had someone at work who bought an MG under the exact same assumption, she was shocked when i told her (and showed her the google results) it was now chinese
@bradnewman8498
4 ай бұрын
The funny thing is that they thought being British manufactured was a good thing!
@varmastiko2908
4 ай бұрын
@@bradnewman8498 Indeed. Marketing goes way back.
@miskatonic6210
4 ай бұрын
The chinese were thinking: "We will build the best british car the brits have ever seen with our chinese quality!"
@bcm70
29 күн бұрын
I know this is three months old, but I just have to share a story on dealership servicing. I recently bought a brand new GR Yaris. At the one month mark, they offer you a complimentary spanner check. ie they want to introduce you to the service department to build a relationship to get you to service your car with them. Anyway, by the time I booked my car in I'd done about 1,000kms and I'd seen some reports of swarf build up in the rear diff oil during the running in process. So as I drop the car off I say to the service advisor I'd like to have the rear diff oil dropped and replaced at my expense. Immediately he questions why I'd want to do that and after I explain it he goes on to say if there are any warranty issues down the track, Toyota would want to know why I'd chosen to change the rear diff oil at 1,000kms. I was gobsmacked. Here I was over servicing my car at my own expense, being told that I could be setting myself up for a warranty denial. Anyway, I leave the car with them for the day, they do the spanner check and replace the diff oil as I requested and I pick the car up. As I'm driving away I look up at the service sticker and see that it has the service intervals on it for a bog stock Yaris - every 15,000kms or 12 months whichever occurs first. The GR has a 6 month/10,000km service interval. So now I'm wondering what diff oil they've stuck in the car. Of course there's no indication on the receipt. I won't be going back. I'll be using a specialist motorsport mechanic I've used before. I know they know what they're doing and I won't get any attitude if I decide I want to spend a bit more money on over servicing my car.
@MattBlack6
4 ай бұрын
Great video gentlemen. I'm a tow truck driver, Volkswagen and Land Rover are very popular up here around Byron Bay. And yeah, those things keep the wheels turning a lot. Meanwhile I'm having our 6yo diesel Kia serviced at 6mo/7500km because if you bother to read the caveats in the handbook, that's what you're supposed to do. You guys now have 1 more new subscriber.
@lesleypaterson1463
4 ай бұрын
Same with my Mitsubishi, 12 months and 15000klms is far too long and even decent synthetic oils are breaking down by 8 to 10000klms and are full of contamination.
@mungrel6668
4 ай бұрын
I love the phrase "remote combustion engine". Brilliant!
@DEEP66997
4 ай бұрын
outstanding couldn't get a better bloke to sift bs than John C, would like to see more of it, congrats on great discussions! 🤘
@Mothy2014
4 ай бұрын
This is why I drive a 24 year old Falcon. Made in Australia. I service it every 5000kms. Never let me down. I bought it from the original owner for $1900. Best car purchase I've made
@dwindeyer
4 ай бұрын
12:35 Legit, I bought a fully dealer serviced used Lexus and was tracing a sound in the dash, pulled out the cabin filter in case it was a stuck leaf and it was clear it hadn't been changed in a decade. That's hundreds of dollars of cabin filters that were billed and never installed in one car.
@johnstaring3210
4 ай бұрын
Recently changed the cabin filter of my wife's 2018 Qashqai, and I can bet London to a brick that dealers do not do that. The filter needs to be crushed to get it out and back in the small portal provided. Obviously designed to be installed prior to the assembly of the vehicle and never again.
@aussietaipan8700
4 ай бұрын
I love how you spoke about keeping the car you have and have in maintained is less pollution than purchasing the new latest and greatest. My Jeep Grand Cherokee WJ is 24 years old and in near perfect condition, it came optioned up from factory with the 242HD transfer box and LSD locking rear diff which is great for 4x4 driving. I change its oil every 5000 km and the diff and tf case oils every 50,000km. My Model S is 9 years old with still the perfectly working MCU1. With 3G being phased out, Tesla AU advised my only option was to spend $3600 on the MCU2 with the 4G LTE card. But I knew both in the US and EU/UK, there is an option to upgrade the MCI1 modem daughter board. I purchased one from the UK and installed an AU SIM, pulled out my MCU1 and installed the 4G daughter board, now the MCU1 is LTE 4G. I saved money and stopped a perfectly good working MCU1 going to scrap heap.
@brushitoff503
4 ай бұрын
Loving this video! Came from John's channel, new here. Just paused @22:00 Just to say my Corolla Sportivo Hatch is still going strong & is my daily everything car & it's about to hit 300,000 Km's Built in 2003. I service most of it myself & take it to a family friends mechanic when required. A car well looked after will last a long time. Cheers.
@JimmyRed1234
4 ай бұрын
I'm so pleased to hear you guys actually talk about this stuff, and with maturity, and not regurgitate the same nonsense as the industry and the general media at large about EV's and the environmental issues and that the whole world converting to EV's is not the answer. It's not just the case of people being incentivised to buy them, but we are beginning to be punished for trying to keep our existing ICE cars on the road!
@stinger15au
4 ай бұрын
Some general EV Misconceptions aside (guess it will take another decade before people really get it), good vid.
@nigellutze9981
4 ай бұрын
I couldn't agree more, I bought a 2006 Camry which had signed off, at the dealership, change of cabin filter that never happened. I did it myself.
@rider_bravo
4 ай бұрын
Love these type of videos. Thanks ReDriven
@rwdplz1
4 ай бұрын
2:25 Anyone that argues it doesn't matter where it's built, has never been in a car factory.
@owenhughes2653
4 ай бұрын
This kind of content is really cool and definitely something you should do more of. I wish the public at large were better clued in about this stuff. The MG thing is fascinating.
@cathybrowning2310
4 ай бұрын
Watched both episodes, best of both worlds and best episodes ever. Drive my Corolla bought new in 2004, still drives like a dream.
@aidancameron9203
4 ай бұрын
Who wants to be stuck with the same primary car for 30 years by choice??
@1usa296
4 ай бұрын
Harley Davidson are doing the same thing, selling the American Dream, the iconic American brand. Built in Thailand.
@karlbenz4925
4 ай бұрын
Interesting debate from a great car channel. I can start by saying that I have multiple cars, all different fuels and number of different cylinder numbers. Been around two and four wheel transportation all my life, both as a necessity and hobby. I'm also a scientist and a follower of agnosticism over any religious or otherwise entitled beliefs for personal gratification. I do find some of my friends and others in the car community wilfully ignorant or misleading when speaking about environmental or climate impacts from human activity. One should not conflict personal interest/entitlements or beliefs with facts in debating scientific matters, there are unfortunately too many places/forums where those take place already. And also, there is no zero sum argument between Ev and Fossil fuel cars, just lower the argument bar even further. However, to paraphrase an important aspect of all ( car ) manufacturing and why we don't have things lasting forever anymore...... It's the economy stupid! On some of John Cadogan's somewhat sweeping and in some aspect false statements. There is never a justification to spread misinformation because you don't have or understand certain information, no level of disagreement or opposition justify false information. Secondly, it was and is not the main aspect of low emissions to curb lung cancer. It wasn't the car or even oil industri who came up with the cleaner fuel burn policy, on the contrary they fought it all along, remember when lead was going to be faced out from petrol? There are plentiful books and readings about that subject alone. Thirdly, the environment is not one dimension only. There is not the same comparing an EV power plant with a combustion one, so an " batteries are very dirty too" , or " what about all the child labour in the African mines" argument is a fallacy at best. All manufacturing requires some sort of resources or materials, there is a scientific rather than a religious aspect why we need to curb the use of fossil fuels, that alone will not save the environment or the finite resources on the planet, and no credible person will/have claimed that. But if we want apparatus transportation devices in every home? we have to change a tiny bit. Uncomfortable for some but hardly noticeable for the purpose of transportation for the majority. Change is mostly a mind alteration Cheers
@jamyshaw
4 ай бұрын
Yea I agree. John generally gets little knuckles of negative information and chews on them far too ferousously. Some of his points are good, but others are really poorly researched or not considering the bigger picture. Working out the science takes a bit of effort. Most people, including John, can’t be bothered.
@karlbenz4925
4 ай бұрын
@@jamyshawThat's right mate. After I wrote above message I looked ( with alarm ) at John Cadigan's own KZitem channel. I can now conclude that I was far too generous and kind in my remarks regarding his......, let's call them personal views on things. It looks like a fusion between MAGA and Pauline Hanson fact land if anything. I am always very baffled at why there is so much cemented views regarding environment, medical science etc etc, based on the absolut flimsiest of hearsay and personal opinions and presented as facts? Any decent person can/ will have questions or opinions on a great deal of topics, but would be mature or humble enough to admit shortcomings of facts or details on the subject. Unfortunately people like John Cadogan is not only unhelpful, confusing and demoralising but also outright dangerous for a growing number of people who find fact checking to "boring" or "time consuming". I'm very surprised at Adam and Jim with their Redriven channel having a cross promotion with this sort of person. Reflects bad on them that any thinking person out there wanting to view, listening or educate themselves regarding cars in general is getting a scoop of BS.
@markhollis362
16 күн бұрын
Go away,john's maybe a bit too harsh,for you, climate change, scientist type softcocks but he's an engineer, probably forgotten more about cars etc,than you know,you poor offended souls...Are U ok??
@ImJustWantToComment
4 ай бұрын
24:27 the MOST important point to ever be discussed and must be continued to be talked about... seriously this is everything
@timcollins380
4 ай бұрын
I agree with everything you say about service intervals. I run an independent service and repair shop specialising in European vehicles. We see 3 to 5 year old cars with "dealer" service histories which need thousands of $ spending on them to fix issues. Brake fluid and coolant, never flushed and changed, 24,000 km oil changes leading to sludge, coked up inlet manifolds and throttle bodies. We recommend servicing every 6 months or 10,000kms. It might seem excessive but its what we do to all of our own loan fleet comprising a dozen cars, all of which are between 100,000 and 230,000km and between 9 and 12 years old and none of which gives us any trouble.
@andrewdrinkwater7743
4 ай бұрын
What brand is your fleet?
@robcig
4 ай бұрын
@@andrewdrinkwater7743Toyota??
@xXYellie12Xx
4 ай бұрын
Question - when you say 6 months or 10,000km which does that mean if I only drive 5-7k km a year?
@adamrichards2072
4 ай бұрын
@@xXYellie12Xx 6 months
@robcig
4 ай бұрын
@@xXYellie12Xx If it's driving short distance, stop start, I'd change my oil every six months regardless. Your call though if you do it twelve months. Importantly, make sure you use a good quality synthetic oil with the correct viscosity.
@LincolnRobinson
4 ай бұрын
Such a good episode. Main dealers that video the inspection and share that content with you is a good initiative to show that they’re actually doing the work.
@joesky011
4 ай бұрын
John Cadogan is such an angry old man. I used to watch his KZitem videos but his constant diatribe about everything became tiresome.
@bluewinds10
4 ай бұрын
You go on about Australian Consumer Law, I can tell you it's not worth the paper it's written on. It totally relies on the manufacturer doing the right thing. If they say 'No, get stuffed', your only option is to take them to court and no one is going to do that.
@fredfred2363
4 ай бұрын
John introduced me to your channel. He is one person who I respect in the car industry, based on his knowledge and experience. You have a new subscriber! Great video.
@ReDriven
4 ай бұрын
Welcome aboard mate!
@paulwilson7622
4 ай бұрын
In Australia, ibsurers will write iff a car if it is hail damaged due to cost if reoair. This of course applies to certain types of impact damage. If as is mooted, a car must complete 60-70 miles before it at break even with an ice vehicle. As few of these cars are cost effective to fix, they fail that vital point. Evs & hybrid EVs are worse because of potential battery damage
@ForeverHumble101
4 ай бұрын
This was so good, so many people should be hearing this. Please do more of these episodes in the future!
@low-keyautummn5940
4 ай бұрын
All this while JC was a one man army reminding me of BLACK SABBATH'S "I" and I particular part where DIO says "I'm legend, strength in number and tonight the number is 1". Perfectly described JC. But now the legion's strength has grown to 3. POWER TO THE PEOPLE. Thanks guys. Keep it rolling.
@arnegerhardsen3755
2 ай бұрын
Big thanks to you Re-Driven guys, you are doing a great job for ordinary people and a lot of people are following you, but I would give the advice for even much more people who should follow you to save a lot of money with your great advices all over the world. Here in Norway we have 10 years warranty from Toyota and Lexus even if some of the services are taken in other serious car companies, but after the cars are 5 years old we will get one new year of warranty for each time we have a new service at a Toyota or Lexus dealer for up to 10 years and 200.000 km, and this is a real warranty. But the funny facts are that with proper service you normally don't need a 10 years warranty on these brands, but it's a clever way to tell the customers how incredible reliable these cars are with proper servicehistoric. Thanks guys. Best Regards from Arne in Norway
@jasonfields2793
4 ай бұрын
Im with jim here my workshop is a bit of a mitsubishi specialist and the amount of full dealer serviced cars i see where the customer has been paying for valve adjustments and tbe dealers managed to perfectly aling the pain marks on every bolt each time.
@lesleypaterson1463
4 ай бұрын
My Diesel Outlander has just on 130000klms on it and has never had a valve adjustment, my choice. It's a little tappet rattly at cold start, very minor, but no issue when warm, sure, it's overdue but I don't trust dealerships to do it as loose valves don't cause problems like tight valves do. The Stealership says they're checked and adjusted if needed every 60000klms and they had kittens when mine hadn't been touched, then I forked out $1000 for an oil change service and transmission fluid replacement. They told me my tappets didn't need adjusting as they were not noisy at 120000klms. LOL, another money extracting scam.
@HSVJD
4 ай бұрын
It’s great to have you guys and John get together. Let’s get an MCM & ReDriven discussion happening!
@johnbee7729
4 ай бұрын
Look at the VIN. So far, the VINs on new cars don't lie in terms of their country of assembly. Ach, I could be wrong tho or at least waiting for VINs to be swapped as necessary
@fredfred2363
4 ай бұрын
John is 100% correct on the recycling info. Totally. I've worked in the industry.
@rc70ys
4 ай бұрын
I’m not a fan of John, However I thoroughly enjoyed watching this ! Well done 👍.
@horsehead8306
4 ай бұрын
Did he step on your rainbow 🌈 painted toes🤣🤣🤣
@nourdinemazali493
4 ай бұрын
@@horsehead8306 😂😂😂
@barryetherton4889
3 ай бұрын
Not a fan of John myself, but the other 2 seem to keep him grounded.
@paulsimpson8990
4 ай бұрын
We had a work prado serviced at Toyota once and they forgot to torque the caliper bolts. They fell out and the caliper flew off and took the brake line with in while descending mt cootha in Brisbane 😂
@davidarter9670
4 ай бұрын
It is SO refreshing to hear a sensible sensible discussion about the folly of EV’s, particularly against ICE vehicles. Thankyou.
@lamesamelame
2 ай бұрын
In USA, they have the percentage of where they manufactured the vehicle on window sticker and the VIN informs the customers...
@johndavies8608
4 ай бұрын
I think I'd rather have a Chinese MG instead of a British MG.
@MrMightyytau
4 ай бұрын
At least with an ENGLISH one you can buy every part for it NEW, eg brand new shell
@rtmpgt
4 ай бұрын
@@MrMightyytau Not that it matters. There's a saying we have in the car community. "If there's no oil under a british car, there's no oil in it"
@mtbguidebook1132
4 ай бұрын
Good chat. Talking about promoting longevity in design, I remember magazine ads by Volvo back in the 80s where they would have 6 pictures of Australian Volvo owners with their cars on a full page ad, with each Volvo exceeding 1,000,000kms. I think they called it the Million Kms Club? I haven't seen auto makers promote holding onto your vehicles for a while.
@gowengetter4599
4 ай бұрын
As the man of the house, I decided to sell the family fleet of cars in exchange for 2 stroke motorcycles. Now my wife drops our son off at school on a scooter. I ride 105kms a day on a scooter and my garage is an oily smelly mess. And my wife is going bold from wearing a crash helmet all the time.
@michaelb6729
4 ай бұрын
geeez . . . Cadogan is becoming a bit of a unit ! 💪
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