Peter once complained that there were some things in Paul’s letters that were hard to understand and that the ignorant and unstable were twisting his words to their own destruction. (2Peter 3:16-17) But Peter never told people to beware of Paul’s teachings or imply that he was a heretic for writing those things. That group of ex-new agers that Doreen was dealing with were the ignorant and unstable. She should have done as Peter did. Just make her audience aware that these ignorant and unstable people are out there twisting Michael Heiser’s words. Now, she and her panel appeared to be the ignorant and unstable ones. I just feel that there was more to it than this. Somebody got in her ear. Someone with an axe to grind. I didn’t realize that she had become a cessationist and a Calvinist. That explains a lot.
@LouisaWatt
4 күн бұрын
You explained that perfectly
@robertyoder7178
4 күн бұрын
Justin Peters got in her head .....
@gretchenhughes968
4 күн бұрын
Paul was a educated and very uncompromising man. God doesn’t always choose number # 1. He chooses who He knows is the best.
@jeffbarrett411
4 күн бұрын
@@robertyoder7178 correct, and he is an earthly minded, legalist
@CarrieLaffs
4 күн бұрын
Nothing wrong with following exactly what the Bible says. It's actually the most important thing ever. Being Reformed and acknowledging that these apostolic gifts are no longer taking place is common sense IMO
@nicholasjohnson6724
3 күн бұрын
Dissing Dr Heiser after his death by Doreen, was very poor form.
@zanetwiesman9079
Күн бұрын
I fully agree with you. To slander someone when they cannot defend themselves is very low. Doreen Virtue has gone down to a level I would not call a Christian.
@mark8337
Күн бұрын
@@zanetwiesman9079her panel was a borderline joke - their misrepresentations and poor scholarship.
@ruthtirado2750
4 күн бұрын
I really appreciate this video. You hit the nail on the head when you said that Doreen virtue never stepped out of the spotlight. She was a new age guru, and went right into being a Christian guru. The problem is, Christians don’t need gurus!
@LouisaWatt
3 күн бұрын
We shouldn’t be following specific teachers without critical thought
@OluLuvofGod
3 күн бұрын
Spot on. Jesus is the teacher, none other is needed.
@jessejames3149
3 күн бұрын
Ilet me share a different take. Doreen did a lot of damage as a new age guru. Led many into witxhcraft. As a believer, everything Doreen learned about the deception methods of Satan she has gone the other direction. Exposing the evil she once lived for. She was in the lime light spreading evil and lirs now she is in the limelight exposing those lies with truth. The church needs this. Churches are ingnorant of these practices. Many christians are bringing in these practices into thw church under new names. Example,.psychic premonition becomes word of knowledge. Psychic prediction becomes prophecy. Witchcraft in the church. Doreen is revealing all of this. One of the most eye opening pastors exposing all yhis is pastor Joe Schimmel. He exposed demon worshiping rock stars in a video called they sold their soul for rock n roll.
@cnajee
3 күн бұрын
Exactly!
@SzandraKisch
2 күн бұрын
No one needs gurus
@lali516
3 күн бұрын
Virtue claims in her letter that no one called Michael Heiser a liar yet she calls him a false prophet, isn't that what a false prophet is? And did Michael Heiser ever claim to be a prophet? I watched a couple of Doreens videos years ago but that is all I could watch, something about her did not sit right with me. Now that she has spoken like that and has banded with others to slander Dr. Heiser I realize I wasn't wrong in the feelings I had of her. She was wrong in more ways than one in what she did to Dr. Heiser. I hope those that follow Doreen pray and ask the Holy Spirit for discernment and wisdom in continuing to listen to her ministry,
@robbyclark6915
3 күн бұрын
Doreen and her council of elders smack of jealousy! Jealousy and an unyielding devotion to protecting their man made doctrines. Doctrines that Dr Heiser threatened with a dirty little thing called the truth.
@exoticivy4180
3 күн бұрын
I do think it’s aweful that she did that after he passed. He’s not here to defend himself. I love his work.
@Stevetherock
4 күн бұрын
Anthony Rogers disagreed with Heizer on the "let us" thing, but expressed the highest degree of respect for him and his work. seems to me, Doreen has a chip on her shoulder and an axe to grind. She needs prayer.
@JacobSerwinski-fx3on
5 күн бұрын
Great video. Not only refutes Doreen's claims but shows she has Not been honest. Blessings in Jesus.
@TheAlexa6
4 күн бұрын
You mentioned Doreen’s vanity and pride. As a former New Ager, I held this same impression of her back when she was a self-proclaimed New Age guru and seemingly nothing has changed. As a newer Christian I cannot imagine the amount of hubris it takes to pivot immediately into an authoritative teaching position. May God use her to bring people out of the occult and then may he impart upon them the discernment to see her for who she is. I hope she repents and goes away quietly as there is no love coming from her just division and judgment. There are other former New Agers who do a really excellent job of leading new converts. Appreciate this video!
@MLGA4872
5 сағат бұрын
Yes, and too bad Doreen "throws the baby out with the bath water". My passion is Bible prophecy and end time events; and I don't agree with every position Michael takes on Psalms 82 or the "Us" in the creation account. But his wealth of knowledge has confirmed so many things I already understood and awakened principles concerning the judgment of the angel elohim that I NEEDED TO LEARN ABOUT, since I am supposed to JUDGE THEM! "Know ye not that ye shall judge angels?" [that would be the angels in Genesis 6, Jude 6] We all, in our search for Truth, have much to learn and UNLEARN. RIP Michael, you were chosen by God "for such a time as this"! Thank you, thank you, thank you! "Well done, faithful servant!" I found Michael's study on the Trinity in the OT quite profound!!! kzitem.info/news/bejne/paab3aaCcaGgYHYsi=g7uB5biVdfD30Ldm "The Jewish Trinity" ...especially when he gets to Wisdom/She...that third [second???] Person in Proverbs 8. "Let Us make mankind in Our images...male and FEMALE IMAGES!!!." Duh! What novel thoughts nature Itself can teach us humankind elohim, children of God.
@nancystorm
4 күн бұрын
One more comment: Her timing is abominable. His wife and children are still in mourning and she is rubbing salt in their wounds.
@KM-zn3lx
3 күн бұрын
Doreen says anyone who disagrees with her slander are Heiser fans. I didn't even know Heiser that much to be called a fan. I'm not cool with slandering someone who is deceased. He left a family behind!
@connielester1641
2 күн бұрын
I had red flags concerning Doreen because of her religious spirit that stems from self-righteousness. The fact that she doesn’t want or allow anyone to leave a comment speaks volumes. The LORD used Dr. Heiser. I do not agree with him concerning his view of Gen. 1:26 but that’s between my Heavenly Father and me. I’ve walked with Christ Jesus for 48 years and I’m still an avid student that He continues to grant me revelations of Himself, His ways, His truths with confirmations. NO ONE HAS ARRIVED at complete wisdom, understanding and knowledge of Him and His Word. Lord You love Doreen and I pray You guide her to Your truth and free her from all fear. Amen
@debergher
3 күн бұрын
Glad for Doreen to have found the Lord and escaped new age, but she is not a sound authority on Christian theology, Scripture, or teachers. She has a lot still to learn. I pray that she stays in her lane and remain silent on matters and teachers who are far more advanced than she’s ready to grasp.
@lauramassoud1633
4 күн бұрын
Great video! Thank you for. Sticking up for the teachings of Michael Heiser. I thought it was awful the way she threw him under the bus along with his teachings implying that he was seeking attention for his discovery. He implied over and over that none of it was new! Also, my experience with churches and denominations did not go well either. However, God did pull me close and I learned how to be closer to Him. I wanted a Pollyanna church I think or a first centurychristian experience. However, I accept the place and time I was born and we have a lot to contend with. I spent the first half of my life not as a believer and the second half as a believer. I assumed it would all be easy and better than my first half. Even though the Bible shows otherwise, I thought the early Christians were the ones having such a hard time. Turns out I was wrong. We are living in very dark times when every organization is captured by the enemy (churches, govt, schools,medicine, media and entertainment ). I studied history and I study the Bible. For this reason I am quite interested in all that is happening. I didn’t see it coming at all! I had no idea how corrupt everything is. But nature and animals are still the same. It’s humans who have gone off the rails and lost any semblance of politeness or respect of their fellow humans. My faith and walk with Jesus is what grounds me. We have to stand firm in our faith and what we have learned from the Bible and through prayer ask for grace and wisdom and discernment daily. I came to faith almost30 years ago. So I am an adult Christian in my walk. I needed to be sidelined for a number of years to get the worldliness out of me and learn to live a new way, not bring my old ways into my Christian walk. I’m grateful for you tube to find other believers like yourself. The enemy may have intended the Internet for bad things but I use it for great things to find my fellow Christians and hear what they have to say. Thank you again for your videos. I’m going to go listen to your other content!
@LouisaWatt
4 күн бұрын
@@lauramassoud1633 yes, the hard part begins when we become Christian, unfortunately, but at least we have God to lean on and the internet is a great resource for connecting the body.
@DavidJeremiahBowden
4 күн бұрын
Wonderful comment. I was an anti-christian for 40 years.. God awakened me at a peculiar moment If you Google grandpa honesty guy.. I tell my story using that name
@KM-zn3lx
3 күн бұрын
@lauramassoud1633...Laura I'm struggling with just finding a good Christian church as well. They all seem to be online churches Ai can't go to. I'm finding every denomination and nondenomination has a filter or bias. They either deny the gifts of the spirit or over emphasize them. Nothing in between! I wish I could talk to you as when I talk to other people they look at me dumbfounded or say no church is perfect, which doesn't really help!
@michelleheltz6116
4 күн бұрын
Demons never point anyone to Jesus. She is a Calvinsist now who believe anything supernatural is demons.
@deepforestfire
4 күн бұрын
Yes they do. Because who is leading people in all these different directions to different churches that christians disagree about? A protestant will believe a demon led someone to Catholicism and vice versa.
@FishermensCorner
2 күн бұрын
that's false on the demon claim. 1 Corinthians 5, it might not be intentional but all things can point us to Christ; we simply need to hear his voice.
@mark8337
Күн бұрын
@@deepforestfire? Your comment doesn’t make any sense.
@contactmatts
Күн бұрын
That’s a straw man against Calvinists! 😅
@toolegittoquit_001
19 сағат бұрын
You do not understand Calvinism at all
@DrgnSlyr
2 күн бұрын
The Apostle Paul cautioned against new believers being put in 'teaching' or 'leadership' positions. Doreen should probably shut down her channel/ministry until she matures more in the faith.
@nickvasiliades4537
4 күн бұрын
This was spot on. I'm sure Virtue is sincere but she is a mess theologically. The fundamentalists have her tied up in knots--even doubting or reinterpreting her own actual experiences! She's in way over head but the theological pride of fundamentalism blinds her to errors. Your point about simply shifting the spotlight but never being out of the spotlight is incredibly important. These kind of folks sincerely but benightedly imagine they exercise fidelity to the Bible when in reality they have set themselves up as the ultimate arbiters of orthodoxy. She's in a common but tragic condition. She seems like a generally unhappy and fearful person (which is common with judgmental spirits). May God deliver her from her bondage.
@LouisaWatt
3 күн бұрын
It’s sad that she lives in constant fear when Jesus sets us free 🕊️
@Blaisesongs
4 күн бұрын
When new in the faith it’s wise to pause and mature in knowing the Lord. James warns about that. “... let not many of you become teachers, knowing that we shall receive the stricter judgment.” James 3:1. Then follow wise words about bridling the tongue.
@SpiritLevel888
3 күн бұрын
I enjoy Doreen's content. It's a helpful resource for teetering new agers and new christian converts. . . . I don't agree with some things Doreen says and I have a bit of a problem with Calvinists but she's sincere. I converted around the same time as *Steven Bancarz* back in late 2015. I'm much older and sojourned a lot longer in the new age but it was great to have him making videos on youtube (sort of) verifying my conversion. . . . I'm an ex neo-vedantic (hindu roots) new ager. I used to be into so much "cosmic/spiritual" stuff: trance channelings, ancient wisdom, gnosticism, psychedelic drugs, hindu gurus and buddhist variants. I was illuminated by the *kundalini (serpent) spirit* then 8 years ago I got rightly enlightened by the *Holy Spirit* - which proceeded to show me what a *fool* I was before..... Spirit led to the REAL *Yahusha/Jesus Christ* and everything changed - *Paradigm Shifted* This is being *BORN AGAIN* (John 3) and it's an ongoing surprise to me 😁 Spirituality is a *soul serious* business taken way too lightly by *far too many* .... It escapes the notice of our self-absorbed, glamour-saturated world that we're in a spiritual WAR for souls. The immensity of *ignorance* is astonishing: supernal powers are BEDAZZLING the minds of the masses (Ephesians 6:12). We've inherited ancient spiritual subversion: *the Earth is fallen* ..... the holistic fields of nature are fallen state; *"Morphic Resonance"* is OUT of affinity with DIVINITY; *Death is all too familiar;* Natural life hunts, KILLS and *feeds* on itself. Humanity is a spiritually *fallen race* highly prone to *deceit and delusion.* FRANKLY, we need a SAVIOUR and by Jesus Christ we have a GREAT ONE.
@KM-zn3lx
3 күн бұрын
So I just found you and you want to quit?! Haha! I converted from Catholicism to Christianity, because I refuse to say I'm protesting. I found D. V. And immediately called her out for the Angel cards, I could barely listen to her and still find her voice annoying! I officially got saved slightly before 2018 but left Catholicism slowly. It was painful! I don't agree with Dr. Heiser on everything, but it was interesting. He was a man of God!
@abigailowens4290
3 күн бұрын
She calls herself out on her angel cards all the time… did you not listen to dv’s actual videos
@melissapoole8580
3 күн бұрын
You are speaking about her voice annoying you and calling yourself Christian? For shame.
@worldofthesupernatural
2 күн бұрын
I hope you come back to the Church and the Sacraments 🙏😢✝️
@thesolarengineer
12 сағат бұрын
Glad to clarify for you. You are a heretic and there is no salvation outside of the Holy Catholic Church. Hope that helps. ❤🎉
@WholeBibleBelieverWoman
3 күн бұрын
A veru sad story indeed. If I remember correctly in the New Testament it says that it GRIEVES the Holy Spirit to say that what came from Christ Jesus was really from demons (in regard to the experience she had with the crucified and resurrected Jesus and now saying that was a demon). If she wants to get legalistic, let her study that part of the Bible, how equating what Jesus does with the demonic grieves the Holy Spirit (as in Matthew 12:23). I "like" the late Dr. Heiser, but I do not agree with everything he says while I do not believe that he was purposely twisting scripture.
@danofsteel9092
3 күн бұрын
I hope Doreen apologizes.
@LouisaWatt
3 күн бұрын
Me too 🙏
@catebranscheid3601
3 күн бұрын
I am a Heiser fan and last time I checked not a mad cultists. I am a rather boring orthodox Bible believing Anglcan.
@LouisaWatt
3 күн бұрын
Same 😅
@andrewwallen888
3 күн бұрын
This breakdown of his content vs the lies they told about him is amazing and well needed. God bless! 🙏🏼
@christopherchristy6328
2 күн бұрын
Louisa! So we'll done: comprehensive, coherent, articulate/lucid, mature, well-rounded, and NEEDED! In all points, it is more than clear that Doreen has bit off more than is possible to chew. Her and her slandering crew would not have been able to stand toe-to-toe w/ Michael. This posthumous attempt at Theocritical analysis royally and embarrassingly flopped and failed, making these slanderers appear so silly and w/o any living substance. If "the Kingdom of God is righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Ghost," (or Spirit[haruach hakodesh)], then Doreen and gang of "murderers" would not be lacking the operative righteousness, and resulting shalom, that has to also be accompanied w/ JOY, ALL AT THE SAME TIME. They all sounded "dead" in the water from the git-go, w/o proving 1 point. There was zero organization in Doreen's disjointed method, covered up w/ "Holy Spirit" concern cosplay. HSINO (Holy Spirit in name only). In person, Doreen could not even comprehend the Hebrew behind Michael's superstructure. Michael has been thinking 3D chess for decades in multi-layers, and has been candid about not seeing the issue in ps. 82 for most of his Christian life, like most of us. I had read the entire Bible through circa 62 times before I listened to "the unseen realm." Then I bought the book and had an "underlining" and "highlighting" party, being blown totally away! I had much Hebrew study prior to that too, but never noticed that. This radically altered my view to a true supernatural "world" view, (actually universe view). There is definitely some agenda behind this, especially to attack in this fashion posthumously. Michael cannot respond w/ his patient gentleness and depth, but there is no excuse for the wrecking crew of "Virtue and friends wrecking ball company" to lyingly assemble a structure Michael NEVER constructed. His blueprints were and are plain, so much so, that a 3-year old Appalachian could not miss the dot-connecting Michael expertly helped us out with. Like You Louisa, I went through a 3 year Calvanist stage after attacking it for 2 decades. Then God showed me the heresy of it. It can't stand muster. I went through a brief cessationist phase, and had that knuckleheadedness ripped away. "GOD made man upright, but he has sought out many inventions." "Wisdom is easy to him that understands." I have questioned Doreens sincerity overall for 3 years, but this takes the proverbial cake. I am outraged. Where she writes @ about 47:50 or so, about not presuming (or assuming) the motives of people (meaning herself), she is blind to her hypocrisy in that statement. She does not have the years nor the mileage, in the believing life, nor the hours of meticulous study and reading, nor the very layered depth of the always mind-blowing Hebrew word order, grammar, and eternal mindset that literally takes decades to just scratch the surface to be in an arrogant rebuttal position of one of our most qualified scholars, no idolatry intended, though we may have other less differences w/ a couple of Michael's conclusions. Gentleness is required in these issues, if Doreen is going to say "all glory to God." Plus you can't lie and still say you are walking in the light. She has violated, along w/ the other misfits on the panel, many verses in 1 John. You cannot worship God, while unrepentant of lying and in essence murdering your spiritual brother. Great, great video you have installed in the annals of KZitem's correction category. Quick and powerful. Many fail the Colossian 1:9-11 test, not realizing that this 3 verse powerpack of instruction ends w/ revelation that we need the Lord's strengthening with "ALL" MIGHT, according to His glorious power.............., for the result of NOT HUGE MIGHTY MINISTRY WORK THAT IS MOSTLY PUBLIC OR EVEN NON-VISUAL, BUT for the every moment internal heart-character of the Holy Spirit FRUIT of ALL patience and long-suffering (and) WITH (the much missed must), of JOY---FUL---NESS. THIS MEANS A TOTAL LACK OF "GRUDGINGLY" DOING "CHRISTIAN" things. Joyfulness is like getting struck on one cheek, and offering the other cheek, to show you are taking no offense, maintaining the unruffled demeanor of Christ. Patience in circumstances, long-suffering towards people, but w/o joyFULness, the complete witness of the fruit of Christ in us is missing the spark. These people couldn't : 1. Face Michael alive. 2. Accurately disclose Michael's character. 3. Intelligently get into the Hebrew surrounding and underlying Michael's studies. 4. Do all this w/o lying. Conclusion: Where is the Holy Spirit's quality of painstakingly being THOROUGH and patient long enough to even show the clips that you showed, readily demonstrating Michael's procedures, methods, findings, attitude, and intentions, let alone his humility and absolute love for the lovely Hebrew text that blows any English out of the water when it comes to a pure language? Doreen, please come to your senses and realize you are in WAY over your head. All of your future ministry hangs on you repenting publicly, and especially before a lie-hating אלהים אמן ואמן
@gailmitchell5101
3 күн бұрын
I think Doreen was called out of darkness to speak truth. I do agree that she ran the opposite direction into another error. I pray she repents again and is used the way she was created to BE. 🙏🙏❤️ Thanks for sharing.
@thesmiffers
17 сағат бұрын
I truly appreciate your compassionate and balanced critique of Doreen. I was grieved in my spirit when she changed her testimony, taking a wonderful and glorious visitation of Jesus and changing it to a declaration that it was demonic (what demon would lead you to Jesus?). And, yes you are correct that it was through the influence of Justin Peters et al, that she drew this conclusion.However, she has now gone from being mistaken to slandering a man of God, and that after he has died. Wow. God have mercy.
@j-life8502
4 күн бұрын
I lost all desire to watch Doreen , when she rejected her own testimony/ she became religious and dogmatic about calvanisim/ which i believe is an awful / unscriptual doctrine . I think Doreen has turned from evil to another. Shameful what she said about Hieser..... she also allows no comments on her videos! This isnt a video bashing Hieser! Uh ok Doreen ! Also he was the Theologian Cupcake .... so prideful! Doreen officially creeps me out.
@SomeGuyInTheComments
4 күн бұрын
Dr. Heiser has countless videos and literature that disproves every claim she has made. But the sad part about it is that Dr. Heiser was someone who would be willing to share resource after resource to help her understand the truth. To slander a man who devoted his life to sharing and teaching God's word is not something Christ like to do. Her need to be right and desire to hold on to her own preconceived beliefs leads her to refute the truth. Lord, help that lady repent for her arrogant persecution of one of your loyal followers.
@kodyjones7983
4 күн бұрын
Oh she knew. He platformed her on his KZitem channel. Then she does this.....
@SomeGuyInTheComments
2 күн бұрын
@@kodyjones7983 lol of course he did... I did not know that. Well in that case, even though he is no longer here, he has heaped burning coals on her head with is kindness.
@OluLuvofGod
3 күн бұрын
I stepped away from the new age religion a few years ago, burned all my art that I'd spent 100's of hours and euros on making, and really started walking towards Christ. I have zero friends and I love it. I can't recall a time when I felt lonely, or bored, because I spend too much time on research and Bible study. Prayers to all who do feel the loss of the "old man" I know God is working in your life
@voiceone4715
4 күн бұрын
Thank you so much for your very reasoned, and informed, teaching. I have been shocked and disappointed by Doreen’s dishonesty regarding Dr Heiser. I think one of the most baffling aspects to her criticism is how astonishingly easy it is to debunk it. I’ve only seen this bizarre and dishonest theological reaction with cults and hyper Calvinist/ cessationist. Where the plain reading of scripture takes a back seat to the false ideological ideas they have accepted as reality . Thank you for your work.
@gailmitchell5101
3 күн бұрын
I'm sick of all the attack of truth. This is heartbreaking that Doreen believes until he " friends council " her. She is like double minded. I pray she repents!! I pray she seeks truth in Christ Alone!!!!
@comfortandjoy2957
4 күн бұрын
You are absolutely spot on. So glad to have your video show up in my feed. Doreen is a case in point of those coming out of New Age, Hypercharismatic, NAR theology and getting sucked into Reformed Theology. I see it All. The. Time. I was one of them until the Lord mercifully opened my eyes.
@LouisaWatt
3 күн бұрын
I started going down that route and thankfully another Christian gently questioned what I was listening to.
@comfortandjoy2957
3 күн бұрын
@@LouisaWatt My eyes were also opened by a dear sister who gave me a much needed reality check.
@bradbrown2168
3 күн бұрын
Doreen is purposefully misrepresenting Dr Heiser. This video is perfect for those who jump on the band wagon.
@obeedoo
4 күн бұрын
This video is great and a little hard to watch all at once because it clearly demonstrates how Heiser was slandered. And slander is ugly. I loved Heiser. Didn't always agree with him, but that's beside the point. He didn't deserve what Doreen and her "panel" dished out.
@LouisaWatt
3 күн бұрын
It’s really hard to watch Doreen’s original video.
@obeedoo
3 күн бұрын
@@LouisaWatt I can only imagine. I went to her page, and I was so distressed, I backed out after a few minutes.
@TheSanePentecostal
3 күн бұрын
You absolutely hit the nail on the head sister! I know Doreen and was helping disciple her when she first got saved. I saw the path she started going down a long time ago and did a video on it which got lots of pushback at the time but sadly it was correct. This ought to encourage you that what you are saying is accurate because it's all the same stuff I was saying back then . kzitem.info/news/bejne/2neZwJmQhmWQh3Y
@LouisaWatt
3 күн бұрын
It must’ve been frustrating to see the trajectory of where she was going, but not be able to point out the fruit of it until later, when she’s done the damage and can’t see the problem with her choices.
@TheSanePentecostal
3 күн бұрын
@@LouisaWatt Steven and I both spoke with her about it for the record. She just shut us down totally and ran into the arms of these Cessationist guys because they were screaming at her so mercilessly. The level of vitriol they sent her way can't be underestimated. She caved. I get it bc I'm nameless and they're famous. She didn't shake the need to be the spotlight. They should have known better than to platform her as a new believer. I tried talking her out of teaching but to no avail. Btw Steven is doing well, he's just serving locally now. Which is good for him. I literally made the same contrast between his reaction to the pressures of sudden Christian fame vs Doreen in my video a year ago as well. I'll send this to my wife as well bc your video was really confirming.
@victoriousjoy9338
18 сағат бұрын
Your evaluation here is so well spoken and reflects my thoughts exactly! Thank you!!
@brucegolston6507
4 күн бұрын
The problem is that the video about heiser proves that she knew she was lying. You can't watch or read his stuff without him saying specifically that he did not come up with this stuff. She isn't just misinformed. She knows she is lying. She is disqualified.
@LouisaWatt
3 күн бұрын
That’s my fear. I hope others take heed of how the ideological slippery slope works.
@GovernorStaten
3 күн бұрын
Her and her guests did not bother to see what he said. As the people on “the remnant radio “did, ask something like ChatGPT E and you can find out what Dr. Heiser thought about a given issue.
@agrotta1650
3 күн бұрын
What does "disqualified" mean?
@brucegolston6507
3 күн бұрын
@@agrotta1650 disqualified from being taken seriously as a teacher.
@missmagillicutty6721
4 күн бұрын
Dr. Michael S. Heiser absolutely opened up the Bible for me!! The Unseen Realm was guided to me by the Holy Spirit to find when I was freshly out of the new age and practicing witch. Mike was an amazing soldier for Christ and was very humbly doing God’s work while on earth! Love Mike❤️🙏 “I never had an original thought “😉 I completely agree that with this Doreen stuff, we are dealing with a deception of a false Christ. When I was in the occult I wasn’t a fan or follower of Doreen. I think she is deceived. We should pray for her. For all of those who are being and will be deceived by this very real, very strong lie from the father of lies, the devil himself. Thank you for bringing this matter to attention! You’ve got a new subscriber here and kindred sister in Christ! God bless you Louisa! 🙏😊❤️
@LouisaWatt
3 күн бұрын
Mike’s work was so helpful for countering witchcraft for me. It helped me understand what spiritual warfare was and why it mattered.
@missmagillicutty6721
3 күн бұрын
@@LouisaWatt Amen!!🙏 💯 Me too!! It helped me make sense of the real and sometimes absolutely terrifying spiritual world we live in! He was one of God’s precious warriors!!🙏😇❤️
@nikkid267
3 күн бұрын
Me as well ❤❤❤
@missmagillicutty6721
3 күн бұрын
@@nikkid267 💯🙏😊❤️
@hotopolis
4 күн бұрын
I pray that you discover where and what you are called to. What matters most is that we walk in God's will. Success isn't even a thought. Great video.
@LouisaWatt
3 күн бұрын
Faithfulness over success
@lelaninelson7200
5 күн бұрын
It’s sad that Doreen feels the need to reject her previous coming to faith testimony due to the supernatural nature. An integral part of her coming to faith was a vision. From one extreme to another- to appeal to the more reformed cessationist crowd who are hyper critical of the supernatural even in a biblical context. Doreen’s point that due to her being in an unsound false church her vision at the time would also now be deemed counterfeit is unreasonable. Many muslims come to faith through visions of Christ. They are clearly not in the truth yet the Lord can still reveal himself to them. I have found that some Christian’s who have left charismatic denominations to then join reformed churches (often due to the reformed side having a reputation for being more conservative and “exegetical”) can feel a pressure to perform and denounce all that they gained from their past adherence to a former charismatic leaning church. Even if they experienced biblical signs and wonders or the active work of the Holy Spirit through gifts they will loudly dismiss these experiences as false or brush them aside as unimportant. Particularly when they go from someone who saw biblical signs and wonders to hyper critical (like Doreen) or outright denial like cessationists.
@LouisaWatt
5 күн бұрын
@@lelaninelson7200 it’s very sad to see 😢 denying the Lord that bought them
@WholeBibleBelieverWoman
4 күн бұрын
Just going by my understandings from the Bible, I believe Doreen's wrong step was in working to become a Teacher -- and far too soon in her own personal journey. Her witness of coming out of the ubiquitous "new age" culture is very, very important. Also, she is a woman. Women are great -- but women taking on men's roles is much of what has caused such a calamity in Western culture. Doing it, (taking on a role meant for men), out of sheer necessity is one thing; but opting for it is another. I suspected things would go askew once she went to seminary training because those seminaries have been a HUGE fail.
@patrickbarnes9874
5 күн бұрын
"The false gospel of the works-based Eastern Orthodox church" is equally as misrepresentative of Orthodoxy as what Doreen Virtue says about Dr Heiser. I've seen clips of her video before but this is the first time I caught that bit of it. Our prayer which is traditionally to be said at noon each day: O God, the Lord of hosts, and Author of all creation, who in Thine ineffable tender mercy hast sent down Thine Only-begotten Son, our Lord Jesus Christ, for the salvation of our kind, and through His Holy Cross hast torn up the handwriting of our sins and thereby triumphed over the princes and dominions of darkness: do Thou, O Master, who lovest mankind, accept these prayers of thanksgiving and supplication even from us sinners, and deliver us from every deadly and dark transgression and from all the visible and invisible enemies that seek to do us harm. Nail our flesh with the fear of Thee, and let not our hearts incline to evil words or thoughts. But wound our souls with Thy love, that ever gazing upon Thee, guided by Thy light and beholding Thee, the eternal Light that no man can approach, we may send up unceasing praises and thanks unto Thee, the Father without beginning, together with Thine Only-begotten Son and Thy most holy, good, and life-giving Spirit, now, and ever, and unto ages of ages. Amen. So humans are saved by God's mercy in sending down his only-begotten son for our salvation through his holy cross tearing up our sins and triumphing over the princes of darkness and delivering us from every dark transgression. That's our, according to Doreen Virtue, "false" and "works-based" gospel.
@LouisaWatt
5 күн бұрын
Yeah, I’ve never heard of Eastern Orthodox having a “false gospel” before, but that’s the sort of paranoia she’s steeped in. Thanks for sharing the prayer 🙏
@liaellis2355
4 күн бұрын
Thank you so much for this prayer and your response. I’m dumbfounded at how Eastern Orthodoxy has a false gospel??
@WholeBibleBelieverWoman
4 күн бұрын
I'm FAR from expert regarding Eastern Orthodoxy, but I have seen people go to that and then end up joining the Roman Catholic corporation.
@sophietsafcas6371
3 күн бұрын
@@LouisaWattgrew up in the Greek Orthodox Church and Doreen is correct sorry. Too many false teachings if you care to look into their gospel.
@ServantOfChrist_77
3 күн бұрын
The Orthodox Church is very much aligned with the heretical doctrines of the RCC....icons, idol worship, veneration of Mary, prayers to dead saints.
@sanctuarystone
Күн бұрын
First of all, I did not know this would turn out so long. Maybe it will help Calvinist, like Doreen. Thank you so much for all you have expressed in this video. I have read and listened to Michael Heiser, and have learned so much. How tragic Doreen left one deception, the new age, and then fell right into another...reformed theology, and the lies of "cessationism". Not one single place in the scripture suggest that the gifts of the Spirit somehow "disappeared'. That is a heresy; I too had one foot in the new age, as a teenager, and then a few years after. However, I did it believing Jesus was who He said He was, as I had a real encounter with Him while hearing a Sunday morning sermon over the radio, at a time when I really needed Him. I did not know what to do after that; I was not connected to a Bible believing church, so I stumbled along, isolated from other believers. When I was 18, I became infatuated with a guy that was in a "mind-science" organization, so I went with him. I was not "seeking God", I was seduced by the "human potential" message. This organization had a very charismatic leader who quoted Bible, had a Sunday morning church service where we sang well known hymns and contemporary Christian music. They taught and practiced meditation, psychic readings, Gnosticism, theosophy, and other occult practices. I opened myself up to some demonic experiences I wish I had not...all in the name of "increasing my spiritual and mental potential.' I left there, along with other people that realized the God of the Bible was not in these practices. The Lord was good as I sought Him and what the scripture says, and closed the doors to all of that influence. Some years later, during an extremely difficult place in my life, I called out to the Lord in real despair. The grace of God fell upon me, I realized what the cross of Jesus was, why He died for me, and I was a changed person. His crucifixion became mine. Several days later, while reading the NT, the Spirit of God came over me, and I was completely undone...I wanted to run and hide. I realized that even though I knew Jesus as savior, and His Spirit testified to that fact within me, my thinking had not really been changed. His Holy Spirit exposed my willfulness...and God's holiness became real, as His presence was upon me. I heard, distinctly, (as He spoke to my spirit, within me, not like one would hear a radio speaker) "now you're going to do things My way." My shame turned to tears of gratitude, and His love poured over me like a bath of warm water. Hard to articulate, really. The scripture cannot be separated from the Spirit. The Bible reveals who and what God is. I never heard of Calvinism, did not know what it was, until years later. When I heard and learned what they believe, I knew right away it was Gnosticism, and false. We need to seek the person and power of Jesus, not men who teach false religious systems like Calvinism.
@annalynn9325
Күн бұрын
Your story resonates with me! Doreen Virtue was helpful to me at first but I could see her painting herself into an itty bitty corner where she believes everything outside it is blasphemy. I’m shocked she’s resorting to lies at this point, but I guess it’s the fruit of the false theology she’s adopted
@patarikisoterion9899
3 күн бұрын
It’s ironic in trying not to deceive or be deceived it seems she’s being deceived.
@patriotgmom5594
4 күн бұрын
Thank you Louisa. I was truly concerned as she seems to be on the attack on things and certain persons. But when she spoke about Dr. Heiser, it put me on alert big time. I’m gonna continue to pray because we have a tendency to swing from one side to the other based on our personal experience and not particularly the word of God.
@newcreationcoachingllc6491
3 күн бұрын
Sometimes the hardest won wisdom is from our mistakes. Praying God will redeem everything as He is so apt to do!
@LouisaWatt
3 күн бұрын
Very true
@Vern_Levine
4 күн бұрын
I think it’s actually really dangerous when people attribute everything to Satan, but give no no room for God to move Why is it that the devil has all the power but God has none? Do they even realize what they are saying when they say things like that? They are saying that the devil is more powerful and has more power than God does.
@ServantOfChrist_77
3 күн бұрын
Do you understand that Satan only operates under the authority of God? The devil has no power outside of God and can only do what the Heavenly Father allows.
@SpiritLevel888
3 күн бұрын
This is satan's world (Luke 4:5-8, 2 Corinthians 4:4). The end-times are *dead ahead,* a time of tribulation and Antichrist is near. Then *Jesus Returns* to set up *His Kingdom* on earth. God's Move is the *literal* Return of Jesus Christ.
@rebalspirit
2 күн бұрын
That's rich from people who claim that God has no right to choose whom he will.
@deespence8629
3 күн бұрын
I wasn’t certain Dr. Heiser was correct when I first heard him. But I listened and read what he said. These people have not listened to anything he said. He didn’t teach polytheism. Smh…
@Richard_Rz
4 күн бұрын
Doreen vs Heiser is Peewee Herman vs Tyson. She hates Heiser because of his anti-Calvinism as that is her primary religion.
@Run8nova-f4b
19 сағат бұрын
Exactly, great analysis. Calvinism is a weed in the church. She needs to stick to Scripture as a NEW believer. To think that she needed to correct a man like Dr. Heiser is absurd.
@gregmann
2 күн бұрын
Thank you so much for this exposé of Doreen Virtue. Giving new, immature Christians a platform is like handing a hand gun to a toddler. They hurt people.
@LouisaWatt
2 күн бұрын
They can hurt people if they go beyond their scope, but I think it’s important to share testimonies to convict the unbelievers and edify the body.
@roddyk2655
4 күн бұрын
Thank you for doing this video.. It's so absolutely infuriating to sit and listen to Doreen and these so-called scholars just out right lie about Dr Heiser... what's frustrating is that I see so many of these popular "Discernment Ministry" channels doing this same thing to other people and other Christians and they are so far off in their understanding of the material they are critiquing, it's criminal. And, it's disgusting because it is slanderous and it shows these type of people don't care about the truth or due diligence...
@LouisaWatt
3 күн бұрын
It’s not like the material they’re criticising is hard to find. Not once did they actually quote Heiser himself, just cast aspersions
@sanctuarystone
Күн бұрын
Yes...Calvinism appeals to the intellect. Their need to dominate and control others with their religious system is antithetical to the Gospel, it maligns the character of God, and mocks those who testify to how God has changed their lives and revealed Himself to them through His Spirit, and His Word.
@artangel23
5 күн бұрын
I mentioned this on X that I thought she might have gone to the other extreme out of fear of anything new agey. But it really sucks that she’s falling into speaking ill of others. You made a good point (that she hasn’t yet realised) that she hasn’t stepped away from being a Guru. She only changed beliefs, but her MO is still the same Still, we should pray for her because being deceived is SO EASY. We’re all at risk. The Lord bless and guide our sister Doreen to the truth. ❤
@LouisaWatt
5 күн бұрын
Amen 🙏 I almost put on the thumbnail “there, but for the grace of God, go I” because the mistakes that she’s made are common and actually really hard to avoid unless you stick close to God.
@Charity-vm4bt
4 күн бұрын
@@LouisaWattBasically she became a calvinist cessationist Baptist which is a form of gnosticism. It is fundamentalism that does not understand Jewish theology or interpretation.
@LouisaWatt
4 күн бұрын
@@Charity-vm4bt yeah, both Luther and Calvin took a lot of cues from Augustine, who slid back into Gnosticism after his conversion
@Charity-vm4bt
4 күн бұрын
@@LouisaWattCalvin went to full blown heresy. Leading to puritans-freemasons-baptists who ultimately reject the divinity of Christ and deny the supernatural.
@vickiebasham3291
4 күн бұрын
💯
@Utbmingo2018
Күн бұрын
I really want to thank you for this vlog Ms. Watt. Having recently discovered Heiser’s Unseen Realm, I am thankful to God for aligning my spiritual experience with a Bible-based truth coming from a place of theological rigor. I believe Heiser’s articulation of the Elohim meaning and significance fills a void in our human understanding of God’s essence. What you’ve added is an academic structure that helps me categorize and understand the history of these reformed evangelical beliefs that, with Ms. Virtue’s help, are muddying up the works as much as they are clarifying things. It can be confusing when trying to walk and grow with Christ and see so much of the face of Christianity critiqued and labeled heretic. There was nothing left! So..I know there is so much more to seek and find through the presence of God being sought and allowed to get closer as we study, meditate and wrestle with the words of the biblical writers. Thank you.
@tanyawilliams7283
4 күн бұрын
I love Heiser. Im still not over the fact that he's gone.😭
@LouisaWatt
4 күн бұрын
😢
@jerihurley9201
2 күн бұрын
For me… the mere fact that Doreen & her cronies waited until Dr Heiser passed to attack his life’s work says it all… mean spirited & jealous of his popularity… which Doreen thought she would achieve by switching lanes & was disappointed prompted her down this path of barely concealed jealousy of his loyal fans & wanting to discredit him… There is a pompousness about her I find very distasteful & actually sad… I don’t mean to judge her & actually feel she needs our prayers 🙏
@tkw4908
4 күн бұрын
Can i just say the maturity in the beginning of the video was great. I followed bancarz and bought his book. Not because i was a new ager, but i believe God had something for me in the future. I got saved in 2021. This would be testimony time of how God moved outside the church, as i was saved by God alone. However, God is in the process of transitioning me from a ministry in church to something new. I feel like we place our identity somewhere and lose ourselves, and God wants to show us who we are in Him alone. It makes me sad that someone who has a miraculous vision of Christ that changes everything, but deny Gods power. Basically making it sound like demons are more powerful than Jesus. It is a very disheartening situation. I will pray for her.
@LouisaWatt
3 күн бұрын
God reached me without a church also, which is a sobering reminder of how little he actually needs us, but as Michael Heiser would say, God includes us because he wants a family business.
@mariebo7491
3 күн бұрын
Glad to see more and more calling out Doreen on her slander. I pray she repents and acknowledges her mistake. Although probably unlikely. The self appointed superiority is strong with that one.
@LouisaWatt
2 күн бұрын
Yeah, I don’t see her reconsidering, but let it never be said that she wasn’t warned.
@mark8337
Күн бұрын
I think for someone like Doreen too is, she thinks of pedestals and people being on them. She uses that expression. Being on a pedestal is the last thing Dr Heiser would want for himself and he would be the first to say it. But Doreen doesn’t trust anyone really because of her life experience or herself after leaving the New Age. Yet she wants to always be out there on point - like her own pedestal. And I don’t how stable she is because of all the flip flopping she’s gone through yet still needs to be someone on the point for others. She’s definitely had some others influencing her once again to go off on another variant adventure (Calvinism- cessationism). I mean, Heiser has the Scripture front and center in the original languages always front and center and even up on the screen in everything he does and walks it through as a scholarly linguist would do. When I listened to her and her little panel, they did none of that, misrepresented Dr Heiser right and left, and were doing poor exegesis themselves. You know, it makes me think of some people I’ve run across in life, they seem to have a personality/psych need to believe something different than what’s true no matter what, even when confronted with the facts. Doreen strikes me as having that issue.
@LouisaWatt
23 сағат бұрын
@@mark8337 The pedestal metaphor is frequently used by Doreen. Maybe she’s projecting?
@debbiehall3759
4 күн бұрын
Great video! Thank you for speaking truth in love. Doreen needs to repent. I unfollowed her long ago because of how she was handling certain subjects. She’s been in error for a while now. I love Steven Bancarz and miss his presence. His content helped so many people. I respect how he stepped back and took time to learn. I just subscribed to your channel. Your thoughtful approach to this is appreciated.
@LouisaWatt
3 күн бұрын
Someone mentioned that Steven went to Bible college and became a pastor and I think that’s great. It’s probably way healthier than public ministry
@paulpaul-n
4 күн бұрын
dorren is afraid of being commented 😂😂😂
@TheElizabethashby
4 күн бұрын
SHE AFRAID OF LOSING HER FAME
@mbb--
3 күн бұрын
I clicked the subscribe button when you said "I find Calvinism abhorrent"
@gailmitchell5101
2 күн бұрын
I did the exact same. ❤
@rebalspirit
2 күн бұрын
That is so prideful.
@debpratt52
19 сағат бұрын
@@rebalspirit 🤣 As a former Calvinist, I found them to be the most self-sacrimonious group I've ever met!
@toolegittoquit_001
19 сағат бұрын
So much for the Sovereignty of God 🤦🏼♂️
@berrynoir
15 сағат бұрын
@rebalspirit I'm confused, did the definition of pride suddenly change?
@bloggerty-schmoo2698
3 күн бұрын
Wait. What? So the Almighty didn't want to visit Doreen personally but gave the job to an evil spirit with the intention of misleading her but it backfired and worked out for the best anyway. I think my mind just shorted out.
@LouisaWatt
3 күн бұрын
It does… kill some brain cells to listen to the faulty logic
@darrennelson5855
3 күн бұрын
This is what happens when you start hanging around Calvinists cessationists. They convinced Doreen that her experience with the Lord was actually demonic. Very sad.
@budbrigman
3 күн бұрын
I just don’t have a lot of respect for someone who attacks someone when he/she has died. She wasn’t brave enough to challenge his views when he was alive. Just cowardly.
@ravissary79
3 күн бұрын
Especially for things he never said.
@MaryMa427
17 сағат бұрын
This lady is on target being firm yet gracious attributing much to Doreen's actions being based in fear of getting it wrong and in embracing the worst aspects of reformed theology. Being a firm believer in "actions speak more than words," I think that Doreen was also trying to get clicks and to further build up her revenue stream from KZitem. Unlike most of us, she could have spoken directly to Dr. Heiser about any questions that she might have had. She chose not to and the misrepresentations by her and her guests of Dr. Heiser's work, have left me feeling sad and disgusted. For me, I will no longer listen to her videos or pay attention to her postings. However, I have gained much by listening to many of the video's done by other teachers criticising Doreen's video. For that I am very thankful as I am for this video.
@kennethyakovac665
3 күн бұрын
Lots of good videos analyses being done on this currently. This stands out in that it takes each claim Doreen and her cabal of character assassins say and immediately puts the lie to it. Ouch.
@JohnC-24
4 күн бұрын
I am shocked by Doreen's false claims about Dr. Michael. I remember watching her podcast where she hosted Dr Wave Nunally (the scholar) and two others. It was appalling. Even I could have refuted their claims when they were being aired "live". This certainly seems personal like @LouisaWatt Pointed out.
@Voyleglover
4 күн бұрын
Good message. Wonder how Ms Virtue is dealing with the Lawson debacle? Did God lead Lawson to betray all Calvinists? Is Lawson saved? Born again? Did Lawson CHOOSE to sin? Did Lawson have the ability to choose to sun? Or was he created to be without a Will to choose good and evil? Did he ever choose God? Did he choose to have an affair or did some magical, mysterious power overwhelm his ability to resist evil? Lawson raises soooo many questions for the Calvinists.
@LouisaWatt
3 күн бұрын
He certainly does. They’re not equipped to deal with the can of worms called free will.
@theouterplanet
4 күн бұрын
What’s Doreen’s problem? She should retract a lot of what she said
@78LedHead
2 күн бұрын
Michael tried so hard to help people think well. Many of these people are so ideologically possessed they can't think outside of their little box. It's vain and profane babblings. We need to toughen up, grow up, and realize God isn't out to squash us like bugs. It takes time to learn and we often get too caught up too quickly. Jesus told the Apostles there were many things he could tell them but they could not bear them yet. The same thing is true 2,000 years later. It's time for the Christian world to grow up and stop being terrified of every little thing we don't understand.
@MsMayberry
2 күн бұрын
I really appreciate this video so much. You articulated what I felt and couldn’t properly express…Spot on! This is my first time seeing you and this channel - subscribed immediately. Thank you for posting this…God Bless you.
@laurayoung8614
3 күн бұрын
Great video! Recommended reading, "What Love is This?" By Dave Hunt of Berean Call.
@LouisaWatt
2 күн бұрын
Thanks for the suggestion
@sanctuarystone
Күн бұрын
Yes...great book!
@blasien1
3 күн бұрын
In general there's too much focus on messengers. '...one says, “I follow Paul,” and another, “I follow Apollos."' Examine anyone's teachings, compare it to Scripture, ask God for wisdom
@Richard_Rz
3 күн бұрын
Only one person in these videos uses the last name "Virtue". Or naybe that is her middle name and her last name is Signal.
@winniecash1654
3 күн бұрын
Lol
@victoriousjoy9338
20 сағат бұрын
😅
@toolegittoquit_001
19 сағат бұрын
No one is that clueless
@susanjane2498
3 күн бұрын
Everyone needs to read the Bible and ask God for understanding. Then when you still need help and direction, find a preacher/pastor that can help explain the word of God, and yet STILL go to the Father and ask for more understanding and discernment. Trust no man.
@Babylovestoys852
4 күн бұрын
We live in a spiritual world of a supernatural God, our eternal Savior Jesus and angels of God and fallen angels. God changes not.
@LouisaWatt
4 күн бұрын
Yep, and denying reality won’t change it 😅
@MrWeebable
4 күн бұрын
9:05 Before watching your video further, yes, it does look like something happened. It's like she had a 2nd conversion. First, from new Age to Christianity. Second, from basic Protestant Christianity to a Reformed Cessationist viewpoint. Perhaps she was Reformed from the beginning, but the Cessationism is an obvious addition in her journey. Ah I see you and the comments have come to the same conclusion. 18:30 "I'm not attacking my gracious, heretical, good friend, false prophet, Michael Heiser"
@sarahkokura6349
3 күн бұрын
Still watching. First, I always encourage this, from a forgotten desert mother, God desires obedience over sacrifice. If he wants you to give this up, it for a reason and for protection. Heed it. And God desires mercy over sacrifice. I used to be a Calvinist. But also held free will. Because frankly the Bible speaks of both. There was three doctrines and the third one fell out of favour, molinism. This is where I am. You can be predestined but choose to get off the ride anytime, or vice versa. And sometimes, God has something for you ready to go, but you do not have because you do not ask. Respecting the free will part. Its complicated. But I agree. I hold VERY loosely onto this doctrine. Because it’s creature trying to understand creator. And how are we ever truly going to do that. I bet when we meet Him face to face, he will show us and we will all have been so so wrong. Because He is so so immense!
@LouisaWatt
3 күн бұрын
Creature trying to understand creator is a good way of putting it. We know in part, but we can’t know all things.
@KM-zn3lx
3 күн бұрын
You might say "we see in a mirror darkly...! " It's in the Bible, or Something!
@gailmitchell5101
2 күн бұрын
Exactly, what can mere created humans explain such an amazing creator
@dannymcculloch462
5 күн бұрын
A fine critique of Doreen Virtue's hit piece on Michael Heiser. I also found your video very edifying in other ways too. Thank you Louise.
@cnajee
4 күн бұрын
I honestly don't understand the need for religion. I'm really comfortable with just loving Jesus, the Father, and the Holy Spirit. The biblical discussions that are scriptual are really heard by the people who needs to hear. If you love the Lord, then you know the truth when you hear it and you "feel" the lie when you hear it. I appreciate Dr. Heiser and his work. I know without a doubt that he is with the Lord and maybe even sitting at the round table.
@OluLuvofGod
3 күн бұрын
I agree. Religiosity is created by the father of sin. Jesus is the Way. Peace to you sister
@isobelmarsh8174
Күн бұрын
Thanks Louisa - you did a really good job of analysing what had occurred in Doreen's psyche to induce such an "unChristian" attack upon Michael Heiser. I've gone through a similar spiritual journey as yourself and completely identify with the loneliness you describe. As a fellow Aussie, I was impressed. Good job!
@pamwingo4650
4 күн бұрын
Excellent job, I've never heard of you so this has been great. I've followed Heiser since the beginning what a life changer. Sometimes people jump into things too quickly and you need to step away and be alone .too many voices clamoring for your attention. I have found this alone time to be a great thing. I suggest that when you do you will not be alone ever.
@LouisaWatt
4 күн бұрын
@@pamwingo4650 yes, we’re never really alone when God dwells with us 🕊️
@michaelshannon6558
4 күн бұрын
Doreen’s excessive blinking could be a sign of stress, nervousness, or anxiety. If that is the case, she knows she’s misrepresenting what Heiser taught.
@robertyoder7178
3 күн бұрын
yes, this ......
@annalynn9325
Күн бұрын
I was in a Calvinist church for 7 years that focused on studying the Bible instead of TULIP. I am grateful for the time I was there. However those who are deep into Calvinist theology seemingly have nothing better to do than to take aim at virtually any Christian who doesn’t believe the same as them-be they evangelicals, Catholics, even the very earliest Christian writers who were taught directly by the apostles! Worst of all, they pit scripture against itself. I would advise those Calvinists to follow the Lord’s command to take the log out of their own eye… but they can’t do that because for them, following Jesus’s commands is “works-based righteousness.” Still, I’m shocked to see prominent Calvinists resorting to lies to promote their niche beliefs.
@robertlee8519
4 күн бұрын
Oh man. I just found you and now you're thinking of leaving KZitem!? Dang it!
@LouisaWatt
4 күн бұрын
@@robertlee8519 just waiting on God to figure it out 😅
@TheElizabethashby
4 күн бұрын
@@LouisaWatt I JUST FOUND YOU TOO GOD BLESS YOU
@mark8337
Күн бұрын
I know who she is and listened to her a bit in the past. But it’s really no contest. A scholar with multiple graduate degrees from the Ivy League (Penn) and a top public university in the world (UW Madison), besides all his Bible college studies, with degrees in the history of antiquity, Semitic languages, ancient Hebrew, who writes and teaches on all that as well as being a linguist, who has been a born again believer since high school, or someone with none of that who spent decades in the New Age. I agree with your analysis.
@titosantiago3694
4 күн бұрын
I think your analysis is correct regarding Calvinism and their cessationism. This hit-piece against Heiser is the same that has been done against people like Dr. Michael Brown and any believers who believe in the present day gifts of Holy Spirit. The witch hunt has been and is being led by people like Justin Peters.
@cd7415
Күн бұрын
Louisa, Thank you for sharing with such a loving and honest heart. I agree with all of what you said. I love Michael Heiser's teachings, and I don't agree with it all. I am not a Heizerite, but my guess is many, maybe most agree with lots and disagree with some. That's ok! I wanted to address the content toward the end of your video. It is sad that community is lost when one comes to a different understanding than the current fellowship, or even if God just moves them out for whatever reason. Unfortunately that is as old as history and I believe happens mainly when one's beliefs have become their religion, whatever form that takes. We see it in the Bible. I recently experienced it when I had to challenge the wrong doings of the founders of a non-profit from which I received ministry and then sat on the board as president. The gas lighting and false narrative designed to protect error has resulted in a loss of relationships I valued and quite frankly needed. People are following in a cultlike manor the founders. The truth is they erred and all could have been corrected. It didn't need to get personal and ugly. I guess I'm saying it is sad this happens and the lesson we can take from your message, Micheal Miller's experience with his former fellowship and my situation, is we can disagree and still love one another. Let's lookout for our hurt and lonely brothers and sisters in Christ and include them in our circles. Let's work at keeping relationships with those who move on from our fellowship or organization and with those from fellowships or ministries from which we've moved. Thank you for sharing!
@NoiJaidee-z1t
4 күн бұрын
Glad to discover your channel. Excellent content.
@Coconutoilcrazy
2 күн бұрын
I never listened to Doreen, I had heard of her, did a quick search and something was off. This was at the time she was "saved". To diss and expert who cannot defend what she and the other "Christian" men are saying speaks volumes about their charactor. I have to winder what their "Expertise" is? For Doreen- it takes years to begin to get a true grasp on the word of God, then it goes deeper. Rare is there an expert that has not studied and mastered Hebrew and or Greek. Dr Ammon Hillman would blow their minds. He is a Classisist/Philosophist. Expert in Ancient Greek. I will caution anyone considering seeking him out He goes very deep and is a bit mind blowing.
@gregoryrelationshipcoach9229
4 күн бұрын
I honestly hope that she's not getting hungry for the fame she had in the new age movement and trying to replicate that in a new form at whatever cost. did she give herself enough space after renouncing her new age movement to start her ministry? I don't know. But she needs to be careful not to try to gain fame by tarnishing recognized and honest bible scholars. It is sad that she interviewed Mr. Heiser and then called likeminded people like her to tarnish his work. The fruit is not very encouraging.
@julietleblanc9197
4 күн бұрын
I watched her do this to another friend of hers, Angela Scalfidi, of “Heaven & Healing” podcast. Angela began speaking of things that Doreen didn’t agree with and instead of calmly giving a counter argument, she in foreboding tones warned her followers to “stay far away” from her. Her tactics are so childish it’s laughable, though slander is not a light matter to God. Thank you for this video. The Church Split series was also excellent though it will require a long car ride or full day of house work to get through 😂
@TheAlexa6
4 күн бұрын
I love Angela and find her to be a very genuine and wise woman for being a newer Christian!
@LouisaWatt
3 күн бұрын
Angela seems great and I enjoy her work. It’s appalling how Doreen has treated people. The church split do a good job, but it’s an epic journey for sure 😆
@JulieMossTheAftermathOne
2 күн бұрын
Best vid I've seen on DV's issues. And what you spoke of at the end was really really helpful to me. I can't thank you enough for sharing your insights on how hard it can be. Subscribing to your channel. God bless you very much for your insights.💜🙏😇
@ingewagenaar1486
4 күн бұрын
Please do not leave You Tube❤
@gailmitchell5101
2 күн бұрын
I agree. We need the simple truth with love, gentleness without denial of power.
@Mse987
2 күн бұрын
Exactly. Doreen, out of fear, is pushing away the superntural. The sad part is, that her fear is stronger than her common sense. And in this fearful state she does exactly what she tries to avoid: denying truth. Attacking a key scholar who could explain the supernatural to laypeople from a biblical and Godly perspective. Even more sad, she chose to lie about him, in spite of being friends and dr. Heiser peronally helped her growing in Christ.
@robertlee8519
3 күн бұрын
If you're looking for more exposure, i think it would be helpful to do psych breakdowns/analysis of things like the recent Tim Barber/James White debate, then analyze post debate responses from TB and JW from a psychological and Christian perspective. Maybe also do psych breakdowns for characters in biblical passages etc. Doing some of these will allow you to connect with people like Leighton Flowers, remnant radio, and the church split. You might also be able to do an analysis of Kanye va Russell Brand on conversion and deconversion/deconstruction
@RA4J
18 сағат бұрын
The Calvinists really do divide - even dividing the mind to reject some things of God.
@redrider5832
4 күн бұрын
I find Doreen and her fellow critics were very uniformed with Heiser’s work or they wouldn’t have criticized his character instead of his work. His work doesn’t lead us away from God but gives us deeper understanding of the word and the war going on around us. I found his work giving me a deeper appreciation for what Jesus did for me.
@LouisaWatt
3 күн бұрын
It’s disgraceful for scholars and pastors to condemn someone’s work without properly investigating it, but a few admitted in the video that they weren’t overly familiar with Heiser’s work.
@nancystorm
4 күн бұрын
My comments were harsh. I don't want to respond in kind. I pray that she will repent and return to her first love. It is heart-breaking that she has denied her own testimony.
@Joe10e84
4 күн бұрын
I disagree with you on Calvinism, but I liked the video! I was disappointed with Doreen Virtue's video on Heiser and I've stopped listening to her. Some Calvinists who like Heiser would include Doug Van Dorn and Jon Moffitt. Also, the guys at Remnant Radio, who are Calvinist Continuationists. Good to hear of you and see how God's been at work in your life!
@LouisaWatt
3 күн бұрын
Yes, Calvinist continuationits seem like decent Christians. It’s the hardcore group that deny the Spirit that I have issues with
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