C5s are the sweet spot between repairability, analog driving, mileage and modern functions.
@csvette
2 күн бұрын
Absolutely.
@kimblem.w9952
23 сағат бұрын
Hence why they're still holding their value even at a higher mileage. Cheapest ones go for no less than 20 grand here in Canada.
@scubasteve31583
20 сағат бұрын
@@kimblem.w9952 I have a fully sorted 2003 with about 152000 miles on it and I wish it would fetch 15,000 USD here but I think I'll be lucky to get 10,000. It's in amazing condition and has a new glass targa top, new michelin pilot sports, double dinn nav/xm/back up cam/new leather/heated seats, no codes, and everything is in perfect mechanical shape with zero leaks whatsoever. People just see 1xx,000 miles and want to offer 5,000 or less, they act like its a salvage title.
@GregSr
4 күн бұрын
I own a C5 that I inherited when my father passed away. He bought it new in 2003. He loved it! It hasn't needed too much work but I did most of it myself. My C5 is like a family member to me and can't imagine NOT having it - especially with its connection to my Dad. I agree with you, if I bought a new C8 (for example), I would be afraid to own it past the warranty. The C8 is sophisticated and complicated. Relatively speaking, my C5 is simple. I was able to fix the ABS, the HVAC display and the oil pressure sensor (thanks to the internet).
@WarriorsPhoto
3 күн бұрын
What kinds of queries did you use to fix these items? I have some of these errors on my C5 and I wouldn't mind doing some of them myself. (:
@MooMoo69556
2 күн бұрын
Yea but ur driving a C5 🤢 The C8 is the best looking exotic sports car.
@PrimePrius
Күн бұрын
@@MooMoo69556C5 and C4 are so ugly, they're the ugly ducklings of the Corvettes. C6 have ugly headlights but otherwise decent.
@christsogaugetrains
Күн бұрын
@@PrimePriusugly to whom. The c8 looks like ever other sport car now days.
@MooMoo69556
Күн бұрын
@@christsogaugetrains name 4 sports cars it looks like
@darrellturtleneck9712
Күн бұрын
I have a neighbor who owns 6 cars, 5 of which are classics and 1 of which is a C-2 Corvette. He says most Corvette owners are crazy, that they have Corvette rooms, Corvette clothes and obsess about their cars. I have 5 cars, 2 of which are older Corvettes. They aren't family members. This may be a hobby but they are still just cars. Love your channel.
@craigthescott5074
6 сағат бұрын
@@darrellturtleneck9712 you just haven’t owned your older vettes long enough. I’ve had my C2 since 1983 longer than I’ve had my children.
@brendas.1374
2 күн бұрын
I totally agree with you, Lyle. I own a 1967 Corvette Coupe and everything on it is mechanical, easy to work on, or replacing a part. And there’s nothing complex about it. Being a car girl, I do all my maintenance on it. Keep up the great work!
@jd4810
2 күн бұрын
How I made my Mom panick, and Dad roar with laughter at 1966 new car show. I've loved Vettes since I was toddler. My parents took me to see the new cars at carshow in 1966. My dad had his Bell & Howell 8mm camera in hand. In the center of show was new 1967 C2 on a turn table display. I broke free from my moms hand and took off towards the display. My mom gave chase but was slowed by her high heels. In a flash I was past the velvet rope surrounding display, and climbed up on turntable. Mom was embarrassed, and Dad obviously laughing due to unsteady & shakey camera hand work, lol. The reps stopped the display from turning, then they opened the drivers door and sat me in drivers seat! I was so happy & proud that I got to sit in my dream car. I was 5 years old.
@howardgreenman2908
2 күн бұрын
I fell in love with Corvettes at that same show in 1966. But I was 14 and too old to slip under the ropes. Finally had the means to buy my first Vette, a C2 many years later at the age of 49. I’ve had one more since then, a C5 and hope to buy a C7 in the near future if I live long enough
@jasonbrindamour903
Күн бұрын
I have my dad's C3, I need tires which I can't afford right now but I love that car. The smiles and thumbs ups....so much worth it!
@russellobarski7434
3 күн бұрын
I own 1972 Corvette T-Top 4sp Std Eng. bought in 1973 so I’ve owned it for 51yrs. Your right easy to work on because it simple.
@AnnSchoblaske
3 күн бұрын
As a woman who was gifted my C5 from my brother-in-law, please consider looping women into your comments. I hope my neice's and nephew's will one day take over not Uncle Jim's, but Aunt Ann's C5!
@patrickkeschl596
Күн бұрын
Even when we did NOT physically own a corvette (and for many years we didn’t) my father and I attended Corvettes at Carlisle every year. Corvette is in our blood.
@rapid13
4 күн бұрын
My C6 Z06 is my forever Vette I think, and my son loves it. I plan for him to inherit it as soon as I can no longer drive it. I hope he keeps it forever too.
@marksutton3806
4 күн бұрын
Always look forward to your podcast on Fridays. Yes, you are correct. Our society has become a disposable society. It is so sad.
@jimoverschmidt8169
3 күн бұрын
Very well said Lyle. Maybe I will hang onto my C5. … Peace, brother.
@DadsGarageDIY
3 күн бұрын
Unfortunately the economy is causing many of us to have to leave our love too. Very sad!
@jeremyhogan5840
3 күн бұрын
My 2015 C7 Z51 M7 is 9 years and 7 months old with just over 90,000 miles. We love the car to this day and have no plans to sell it.
@billboyle7866
3 күн бұрын
Lyle, 95% of the guys I know owning and driving Corvettes are not gear heads. Guys that own cars from the 50s through the 70s grew up with vehicles they could keep and maintain. I own one car that fits into that category and have owned it since new. It is cared for and maintained by me, and it is a family member. The C5 I own is a car with electronic gremlins that I've been able to fix myself, but in doing that, the car has been laid up, out of service for months at a time hunting down those electronic gremlins. I have been successful because of persistence and patience. Newer generations will surely see those gremlins too and the guys I know will be stumped and have to tender their car to "real" Corvette shops to find the problem at a significant cost to them. When more gremlins show up, they will, IMO become frustrated and "dump" their Corvette, seeking out a replacement, a new version with no or little mileage. The Corvette will be passed from one owner to another and some of those gremlins will be fixed, helter/skelter a little at a time, but at a high cost to do so. So, I agree, the Corvette hobby will change dramatically. Second and third owners will bear the brunt of repairs and costly maintenance.
@farcry228
Күн бұрын
I am 37. I bought my c3 1978 Corvette about a year ago. I have two small kids 7 and 4 and they love the thing. They always want to help me work on it and love driving around back roads with me. a lot of guys I know at my work are getting into classic cars and c3 Corvettes are very popular because they are often affordable compared to others. I don't see the newer ones being collector cars but I can definitely see the classic one becoming more popular.
@craigthescott5074
6 сағат бұрын
@@farcry228 nobody thought C3’s would be collector cars either. All Corvettes go thru a phase new, used, to old, semi collectible, highly collectible. It all has to do with rarity, condition and options. The C8 will be a collector car in 30 years when all you can buy is electric cars.
@williamwatts6384
3 күн бұрын
I own a 2012 GS 3LT Manual bought brand new in 2012, that has only 35,000 miles. No issues, and plan on keeping it until the end!
@AlanKacsor
3 күн бұрын
I might get a hard time over this one....I sold my 2019 several years ago and bought a 66 for the very reasons you talk about. Open the hood and stare. Never had more fun !! Of course completely different car with its own set of issues. Got a shop manual and away we go.
@PatCurrie
Күн бұрын
Should have kept the '19, last of the real Corvettes and added the 66
@WarriorsPhoto
3 күн бұрын
I am glad we spoke about this Lyle. I didn't tell you this on the phone. It was one of your videos that lead to my decision that I'd get a C5 instead of late C4. I wanted something that was mostly mechanical. That I could turn a wrench on if need be. I won't do everything myself but I've done some work on her with a buddy. It was rewarding to see the final results. It's this simplicity that I know will make me enjoy the C5 for several years. If it does turn out to be as reliable as we discussed then I may pass it along. Hopefully not like the previous owner. (: Thanks again Lyle for all your efforts and love for Corvette. You are helping to make a bunch of Corvette fans out here in California.
@cave.dweller.mediocrates
3 күн бұрын
'69 427 tri-power 4spd restoration and '80 auto Cali car, both coupes. They have been a part of the family since I was a kid. I drove the 80 from high school through college, prior to restomod'ing. We have C3's in the family, but I love all generations. I think you nailed it.
@paultrouskie1825
3 күн бұрын
Similar story. Dad brought a 67' 427 coupe home in 1970. Took us 4 kids all over in it. Went to the drive-in in it. I drove it in high school in the late 70's. What a blast. He passed it down to me in 2005. Still runs good, and looks great. One of my sons wants it down the road. Teaching him how to work on it. Hopefully he'll keep it till it becomes a museum piece.
@johnbraun61
Күн бұрын
As past Corvette owner, Corvette business owner, Corvette parts manufacture, suppler to Corvette GM plant, Sr. Bloomington Gold judge (1967-1969 years) and Corvette author, it’s my personal opinion the Corvette hobby went south when the prices went up. Prior to 1989 most middle come households could afford a Corvette. These owners were grass roots Corvette enthusiast along with past Corvette owners 1953-1988. Today’s Corvette owners (not all) are upper middle class or higher that tend to purchase out of the need to be flamboyant. This mindset doesn’t build long term connection with the past hobby enthusiasts.
@craigthescott5074
6 сағат бұрын
@@johnbraun61 that could be true to some extent but you must realize the prices have gone up since the 1980’s because the performance has gone up drastically since then. You can’t expect to compete with Euro cars without the cost of the Corvette going up. The used market for base cars is still affordable.
@V29546
3 күн бұрын
I think this is a sad truth. I went from a C7 Grand Sport to a C6 Grand Sport and one of the reasons I like it so much is because it has less tech than the C7. The aging out of electrical components that are non repairable and no longer produced is def scary for those of us who are interested in long term owner ship.
@EJleon96
2 күн бұрын
Yes it’s true the C6 has mechanical steering, port injection and doesn’t have variable valve timing or cylinder deactivation but it doesn’t change the fact that there are lots of electronics in it as well that can fail.
@V29546
2 күн бұрын
@@EJleon96 yea its true.
@howardscott7521
3 күн бұрын
Just now entering my 50th year as a hands-on Corvette guy. Bought my first, a pretty little 68 coupe in Silverstone Silver with a gunmetal interior, in May of 1975. Mainly because it was a 1968 with an abundance of one-year-only parts, it could be challenging to keep up to snuff, but in those days, the hardest mechanical challenge on the car was the dreaded rear wheel bearing failure and the always leaking brake calipers. These days, you just by the whole trailing arm with a new bearing included, and calipers with stainless sleeves. Throw an extra set of points and maybe a fuel pump in a tool bag and drive the car anywhere. Fast forward to present day, and I am trying to resurrect a much neglected 89 C4 convertible. The endless supply of sensors, a rather archaic fuel injection system, and an even more rudimentary ECM and on-board diagnostic design and the car is quite the challenge for a guy who grew up on carburetors and mechanical pumps. I can't imagine wrenching on anything much newer. I specifically went looking for an L98 car when shopping for a C4 since I had lived through the experience of the dreaded optispark failure on a 1993, and the torque that oozes from the little 350 beats the higher horsepower LT1 any day in my book. What disappoints me with the 1989 is the lack of a supply of critical parts availability. GM seems to have just about discontinued everything on the car from something as simple as a battery cable to more complicated things like wheel speed sensors. I also own a 1987 Ferrari, and its a hell of a lot easier to find factory replacement parts for it any day of the week. Makes no sense to me why GM hasnt done a better job with keeping common wear parts available. The aftermarket picks up some of the slack, but reliability and quality in aftermarket stuff is abysmal, in my experience. All this stuff contributes to the changing of the hobby, but it really is across the spectrum of the entire four wheeled landscape. I wouldn't want to try and diagnose and wrench on my 2024 Honda either, so I guess its all relative to a large degree. Just my two cents worth, which I'm probably overvaluing, lol.
@houztx
3 күн бұрын
I fully agree with you. It is becoming a disposable car, like everything else in this world. :(
@OhioCoasterStudios
3 күн бұрын
Completely agree. We love the C7 however, the ease of working on and utilizing shops such as yours has us looking at C3 and C4 Corvettes for long term
@geofschwer1625
18 сағат бұрын
Lyle, at 83, I'm not all that worried about the future of the hobby. But, if you look backwards, there was one big thing about the hobby you failed to mention, and that was the Saturday afternoon gathering of Corvette buddies to analyze and fix a problem. We were the next generation of true hot rodders. You don't see these gatherings with the later models any more because no one knows how to work on them! Long story short, we've lost some of camaraderie we used to enjoy as Corvette owners. BTW, I've had my fifth Corvette, a '91 six-speed, for 28 years and have no plans to sell her. We've been through too much together.
@LarrySanders-n4z
4 күн бұрын
You are spot on here Lyle. And on the flip side of this, took my 73 Vette recently to the dealership to get the front end aligned and they said they couldn't do it. Didn't have the software. I wound up taking it to the local CO-OP to get it done.
@wydopnthrtl
4 күн бұрын
I 100% kid you not... the best alignment I ever had was in my garage with string and an iPhone. Other than caster you can get toe and camber dead on as compared to a typical alignment shop. Your not limited to time! You can get the steering wheel perfect, toe DEAD PERFECT, and camber perfect w/a smart phone and a piece of wood. I was so successful that from now on I'll even guess at caster. 4hrs in the garage and you'll have a better alignment than anything in town you could pay for.
@WarriorsPhoto
3 күн бұрын
wowzers!
@sandwinder326
5 сағат бұрын
Larry, keep that wonderful beauty away from any dealership!!
@ZZ48UUP
23 сағат бұрын
Long live all the Corvettes with a manual transmission!
@charlesking1244
4 сағат бұрын
Man As A Early Production Of A 1968 427 Big Block Corvette My Father Passed On To Me, You Motivate Me More Than Ever To Get Back To It, It’s Been Part Of The Family Since 1970, Now Stowed In Storage, A Slow Restoration Is What’s Next For My Other Baby.. Thank You Sir, Please Keep Up The Great Content..
@outsidethegames1884
3 күн бұрын
Lyle your thoughts couldn’t be more factual. You don’t know how many times I’ve heard a corvette club member say man i wish i would have never got rid of my c3 , c2, c1. I see what you’re saying when it involves older Vettes. I believe price for older Vettes will continue to rise as parts for them are easy to get. For some newer Vettes will become a visiting relative that comes and goes from time to time when they visit you and return where they live. I have my 1975 vert and will pass this to my son as a family member car. Nothing like passing on a classic car. I really think it also depends on the owner like you I’m sentimental with things I really value. Thank you Lyle for these type of videos that make the audience think 🤔
@comfortablynumb4797
2 күн бұрын
Unfortunately the prices of older Corvettes, especially C2,C3, are not rising fast enough to keep up with the cost of restoration, thereby making restoration costs prohibitive. Unless you do all of the work yourself, i.e., body, mechanical, paint, interior, engine, you cannot restore a Corvette and remain above water.
@danabbene6507
3 күн бұрын
I think there are a couple of reasons that I can think of off hand why things have changed. People today are more inclined to instant satisfaction and want the latest and greatest. My parents grew up in the depression and every penny counted so they just didn't throw things away, cars or anything else. They kept them as long as possible. Finally, because we had to work on cars ourselves and we could do it, it made us more connected to them. When you bust a knuckle and get the satisfaction of getting points adjusted correctly or fixing anything else, you feel like part of you is in the car. Today I read about having to get the extended warranty and finding a good shop instead of trying to fix anything alone. So they aren't as connected. Just my two cents with just a minute or two of thought.
@CorvettesandCassicCars
3 күн бұрын
I agree with you that's why I own a 1975 L82 4 speed Convertible
@jonjansky
2 күн бұрын
Well said, exactly the things I considered when buying my latest hotrod. Landed on an 06 GTO which was a compromise. However weighing the price, reality of ownership, and the fact that the kids COMFORTABLY fit in the back all with a manual shift V8, the choice was clear. Great write up here, thanks!
@user-ty3vb9mm8i
3 күн бұрын
I have had my 1971 t-top Corvette since 1974 28000 miles!
@CrazyPetez
Күн бұрын
I owned a ‘69 convertible from 1970, to about 2010 it was well cared for.
@rshooer
Күн бұрын
Lyle, this is a really interesting topic, and thanks for bringing it to the forefront. You and I talked about this briefly at Carlisle. I am fearful not only of the Corvette hobby falling off in the years to come, but of the "car culture" as a whole deteriorating as the technology and engineering changes, and we are less able to "work" on these vehicles. I currently have a C5 (50th Anniv.) and a C3 (Collector Edition) and there is little interest in my family to continue the tradition after I am gone. This makes me sad, because I know how much joy ownership of these cars has brought me, not to mention the countless friends I have made as a function of being part of the Corvette family. Fifty years from now, every car currently on the road, will be at least 50 years old, and gasoline engines (unfortunately) will be obsolete and replaced by the technology of the day. I won't be here to see it, but it is certainly interesting to think about. Thanks again for all of the compelling content! Bob S., Pittsburgh
@luisalvarenga8917
Күн бұрын
I Have a 2005 Corvette, I know my son he love it and he trying to take care the car because he loves the American car specially Mustang and Corvette he think those muscle cars are the driving experience more happy and you can feel something when are in one those cars 🚗 This Hobby is life style.
@patrickdunn8918
Күн бұрын
I have a brand new C8, L3 stingray, and I do miss the old cars being more easily serviceable. But I’m also 67 years old and don’t want to work on cars anymore. The C8 is a rolling super computer, it took three people to program the car, and I am not a computer person. But I have four sons and nine grandchildren and still counting… This car will not leave the family lol
@GenAxe-v8w
3 күн бұрын
So true! I have also thought about these things. You really nailed it when you mentioned the complexity of these cars is increasing…while at the same time, peoples ability and knowledge of working on cars is decreasing. Example, my young adult kids have friends (some young men) who literally couldn’t change a tire much less replace a brake caliber. They couldn’t fix an issue with a C3 much less anything newer. And sadly some don’t even want to bother with learning how.
@sandwinder326
5 сағат бұрын
Heck, there are some that don't even want to drive. I can't imagine...
@briandeaton3550
3 күн бұрын
I remember thinking that the Corvette hobby had changed when attending a 1998 show in Bowling Green Kentucky. Before then, the shows were all about C1s and mostly C2s with aftermarket parts and a huge swap meet; everybody said solid axles and midyears. At the 1998 show, it was all about engine dress up kits and accessories for the C5.
@capricetony
19 сағат бұрын
I know this is a Corvette channel, but I am 50 years old still own my 1987 Iroc-Z 5.7L since I was 21, still 100% stock and original. Purchased from the original owner, it’s just part of me, I have done 98% of my own repairs.
@stanbrown8522
20 сағат бұрын
As a 72 yr old car guy, I'd say it's all changing, not just Corvettes. I drove my 67 to a Corvette 'meet and greet' a year ago. Only C2. No C1. Mostly C6, 7 & 8. I walked around and chatted with folks about their cars, and seldom noticed anyone looking over my car. After about an hour of milling around, I stood by my car for about 20 minutes. No one said anything to me, or looked at my car, so I left. It just felt 'WEIRD'. It's a different world. I still remember, as a 10 yr old, being taken for a ride in the neighbor's new 62 Corvette. I was hooked. It's not the same anymore,,,for sure.
@thomasschilf3511
3 күн бұрын
I understand that this is a Corvette channel, but I could not agree more with the content of this video. I am 65 years old and my two garages have 2 69 Camaros, one of which is a Stock Eliminator and an 80 full size Blazer, which was my first new vehicle. They are a joy to work on and I lose total track of time when I am in the garage working on them. They are also a pleasure to drive as the cars are "alive" and you have to "interact" with them, while you are driving. Parked beside one of those cars is a 2000 Camaro SS convertible with a 6-speed. It is fun to drive with the top down, but it does not have the same appeal to me as the other 3 cars, nor is it as much fun to work on as it is already way too complicated and I have a career in electronics. My current daily drive is a '22 Ram 1500 Classic and it has already had to go in for a software update as the radio was draining the battery with the ignition off. The programming, for the transmission is poor, as the car does no slow down when you take your foot off the gas, nor does is upshift properly when the truck is cold. But, I needed something to tow my racecar trailer. As a hands on guy I prefer anything analog. As for the corvettes, I find it a challenge to believe that the classic lines of a C2 have morphed into this angular contraption which bears the name today.
@Glenn-s6h
2 күн бұрын
Lyle: great video as usual. Thanks for helping to keep the hobby alive. That said, while I agree with all your comments and prognostications, I think folks are missing the bigger picture. In my mind, what's been driving the entire collector's car market are the baby boomers with lots of disposable cash. I would bet that most of the comments below were made by guys like me, "senior citizens". In about 25 years when the youngest baby boomer turns 85'ish and theoretically should stop driving and wrenching on cars the market for collector cars will turn south in a big way. Of course, that assumes we're still driving cars and not flying around like the Jetson's.
@rollietrayte1332
Күн бұрын
Bought my first Corvette - a red `64 air coupe- in 1974 - - have had 15 over the years and most certainly, the complexity has changed but the enjoyment hasn't changed a bit- save the wave!
@patrickhumpal8651
3 күн бұрын
I bought my ‘02 Vert new and drove it 146,000 fabulous miles! I’m 81 and would like to pass the Vette along to someone in the family. Sadly, no seems interested. Not sure what to do-I guess I’ll keep it, but it’s getting harder to enter and exit!😂🙄
@garymessina8692
3 күн бұрын
Love my C5Z you do all the work on it knightdrive lights in Jan see you soon
@Hannu_H
3 күн бұрын
I agree 100 % with you!
@slswisher
23 сағат бұрын
Lyle never under estimate the people working on cars. Yes it may be difficult now as new but with time things will become known and easier. My C5 looked difficult when new but today I tackle many issues myself. With the help of many including a guy in Florida that teaches me new things every week has made things easier. My Fiero that is mid engine looked impossible when I bought it new. Now 40 years later with knowledge snd The web I can fix about anything. Knowledge is king and in time we will learn more and things become easier. As the prices come down we will tackle these issues make videos share the info. The dropping of the rear package is not much different than the Fiero and even a modern Camaro. Things come out the bottom not the top. You may be shocked in t five years the C8 tech you will be teaching us.
@scoutdogfsr
3 күн бұрын
I'm 55. I have my Grandfather's 1st new truck. It is a 1976 k20 Suburban. It has given us decades of service and the newest generation is using it to learn to drive now. That old girl is as beautiful and well maintained as when my grandfather bought it. It is 100% part of our family. I hope that my children keep my C5 long after I'm gone.
@andyjimmacvideo
19 сағат бұрын
This is a great Corvette analysis Lyle. I'll keep my 1990 C4 for a while and continue enjoy what it brings to me. Thanks
@mikejameson1081
3 күн бұрын
Looks like I will be staying with my C4 . I have to say it is difficult to get into it and difficult to get out of it. But I ENJOY driving it. So far I have been able to repair it. When I no longer can either repair it or get in and out of it I will let someone else enjoy it, Or not,it's their choice.
@markiuzzolino
3 күн бұрын
I purchased last year my first corvette, 2018 C7 Z06 with a millennial anti theft device, manual transmission. It’s white with red interior, red calipers, gloss black wheels, and all carbon black ground effects. It’s beautiful. I intend on keeping it for as long as I can drive it. I’m 66. I would love to also purchase a 2024 or 25 C8 Z06. If I do, the C7 would become my weekend fun car. I have done a few things myself, a ported throttle body, exhaust and high performance air filter. It did go into limp mode once and I had no idea what to do. So I got a code reader and deleted the CE codes and it never happened again. But if it didn’t correct itself, I would be forced to bring it to a shop. When I was a kid I had a 67 Nova three on the tree straight six, and worked on that car all the time. I used to fall asleep under the car just thinking about the things I could work in. Thanks for the video, Lyle.
@in-yo
4 күн бұрын
I’ve always been a minimalist. I understand why people want all the electronics in their cars. These certainly can improve performance. But I, too, keep cars “forever” and found the electronics start to go way before the life of the cars is over. As long as parts are available, that’s fine…but there is an expense that comes with all the fancy gadgets. I bought a baseline 2008 C6. No heads up display, no magnetic ride, etc. pretty plain. However, far less to go wrong and hope to take the money I saved (and will save on maintenance) and do some other mechanical upgrades that will still aid in performance beyond stock.
@csvette
4 күн бұрын
Amen to that!
@GregorioLonewolf
16 минут бұрын
Absolutely agree! From my age of 16 and old enough to drive I worked on my own cars. I'm 69 now and I worked on my cars until I got a 1995 Corvette in 2018. My 1970 LT-1, 1973 350 ci. and 1987 Z51 Corvettes I worked on. Even my 87 Vette when I got a cracked block I bought a block and all internals and using the TPI set-up on top from the original engine was machine shopped and enlarged port matching all. In 2020 I bought a 2000 Z51, which I had for 4 years I went to having any and all work done at a shop. I did replace the plugs and coil paks myself the 1st time around. I tore my hands up so bad doing so I said never again. 6 months ago I sold the 2000 for a 2003 Z06. And NO I am not going to do any work on it that I can't do myself outside of appearance mods, cold air induction and minor things. It's just to damn complicated now days. Wish that I could do my own work but I'll leave it up to qualified techs. Too bad I don't live in Sarasota so that I can have C&S do my work for me. Fotunately there is a shop not far from me that works on Corvettes exclusively that has turned my Z into a capable track car now. Unfortunately my grandfather passed when I was 10 and I never knew my father. My 2 daughter's never had an interest in my cars other than they liked me having them. So passing on and sharing this as a family or generation to generation thing just wasn't in the cards for me. But thanks for another great video, Lyle.
@vanhobbs9299
2 күн бұрын
Lyle. I own a 60th Anniversary edition 427 convertible. I bought it and paid extra for an extended warranty that does not expire until April 2025. I lost a wheel center cap…part discontinue (found a set on EBay)…pull down motor went out…part discontinued (got a pull down motor from a salvage yard)…. Now the heat/AC control module will not change the air flow…to no surprise the control module is discontinued. I Love the car but you’re right it’s getting hard to find new parts. I also have a 2003 GT Mustang convertible and can find parts all day long. Want to keep my Corvette and hand down to son but you’ve given me something to think about. Thanks for your insight and your channel Van
@wilburshaw9330
18 сағат бұрын
I bought my 1975 in 77. I’m 71 now & have owned it 47 years now. 82,000 miles
@davepaturno4290
Күн бұрын
I owned a C3 for 22 years. It didn't have power steering or AC. The brake light switch (a unique 1968 design) failed every few years. I sold the car and bought a new 2001 C5. Of course, its EBCM failed, but starting in 2001, those WERE repairable for $100 by absfixer. Sadly, The diff seal failed twice. The door lock modules failed. The smog pump's rear check valve failed every 2-3 years, requiring the intake manifold to be removed. The transmission seal needed replacement, costing $2300 in 2012. The HVAC display disappeared, requiring a resoldering of the PCA. At 52,000 miles, a window motor was making noise, as was the AC compressor. The HUD display faded to almost invisibility on hot days. The engine drank a quart of oil every 2500 miles. After 13 years of ownership, I had had enough. My MX5 Miata was not nearly as fast, but it has been rock solid reliable for 16 years. How can you become attached to what turned out to be poor reliability and quality. The car came from the factory with a shifted sail panel (behind the target top). I just can't buy another Corvette. A latest generation NSX would be far more reliable. Even a GR Supra would cost less to own after the warranty expires.
@mitchvitale7370
4 күн бұрын
My 14 year old is putting dibs on my c7!!😅😅😅
@chrismunos7741
2 күн бұрын
I own a C6, (2) 4th gen Camaros and a '79 LS2 swapped Camaro. It's kind of strange to interact with my fellow club members (most have newer cars) because they typically don't wrench on their own cars. I seem to be the "go to" guy. That's sad because I can't really talk mechanics with the newer generation of "car guys". Eventually this will be a downward spiral, especially with the EV pressure these days. I'm glad I'm getting older and won't be around for the end of our beauties. Love your channel, Lyle!
@lennyb2238
3 күн бұрын
You are spot on my friend You said it perfectly. What I wouldn't give to have my 64 convertible back. It was so easy to work on it's not even funny it was a mechanical Corvette not an electrical one God bless you my friend
@BretBurkholder
Күн бұрын
Well Lyle you succeeded in scaring the crap out of me with this one! I JUST BOUGHT my dream C6 a little over a month ago after saving/penny-pinching for over 50 years. I smile each time I pop the top and go for a cruise. Hearing that supplies will likely be drying up thus making the 6,7 [and even 8] beautiful paperweights. My question: isn't this the kind of 'opportunity' some business types who love Corvette might decide to produce after-market replacement parts? I am probably naive in asking the question, but I really hoped to pass my Vette onto my kids [I'm 69 now] or will trade-up to a C7 or maybe C8. Anyway I hear the logic in what you're saying, but I hope some new resources emerge. Anyway, I always enjoy your posts and they DID help me become fairly savvy in shopping for my Corvette. Love the car and its TOTAL American tradition/history! Stay well my man.
@sandwinder326
4 сағат бұрын
Like I posted. earlier, the aftermarket or OEM manufacturers would make parts if they were needed and profitable. Too many Corvette owners choose to stare at their cars instead of drive them which means things don't need replacing as often compared to other types of vehicles. There is no money in making parts that sit on shelves until a garage queen might need it in 20 years
@petermiller9631
3 күн бұрын
Great video. I have a 1967 that I'm able to work on with just some basic tools. The most advanced item on that car is probably the clock. On the C8 , about all I can do is change the oil, filters and wiper blades. To think that in ten years parts may not be available for a car that you spent $100K+ is crazy. With all the supply issues GM has had with the C8, I don't thing there will be an ample supply of replacement parts in the future.
@kaboomer4297
2 күн бұрын
My "Corvette hobby" is C-4. No interest in buying any of 'em built after it... Parts are easy to find, I can do most repairs/maint. myself . . . and I get plenty of smiles per mile.
@AlbertPendergraff-rp7jp
4 күн бұрын
I had my Corvette since I was 16 years old and my grandpa got for me it's a 1977
@csvette
4 күн бұрын
Exactly! I’m glad that you have that heirloom now!😊
@davidmcmenamin9701
Күн бұрын
Totally agree. I have owned a 66 for the last 20 yrs and not sure how the newer models will survive when there are no replacement parts for the technology components.
@konstantines.6926
12 сағат бұрын
GM not supporting their flagship sports car is a huge issue to this platform. GM is not supplying any replacement front bumper covers for the C6 z06, zr1, grandsport wide body cars. This is a HUGE issue as there is no aftermarket alternative that has acceptable fitment. Something as commonly damaged as a front bumper cover being unavailable is a huge detriment
@csvette
2 сағат бұрын
This is a huge concern for the Corvette Community. The tooling cost to make that bumper cover is going to be in the hundreds of thousands of dollars...who in the hobby (no matter how big and well-funded they are) has the ability, facility and willingness to make this part??? Lyle
@nickf2678
3 күн бұрын
Owned a '77 for a couple of years when I was much younger...sold that a lifetime ago. Bought a '96, 10yrs ago...had nothing for miles on it, put maybe 2k miles on it, and sold that a few years ago. Ordered a new '19...my first brand new 'Vette. I can see everything you said, about parts not being produced long after they've ceased production of a car. Those electrical/electronic parts that fail are what will unfortunately hobble these newer cars. Truthfully, it's what's made me think that, even though I ordered it new, not quite sure it'll be my forever 'Vette...may go back to a C3 someday.
@Chris-Nico
3 күн бұрын
Excellent video and thought provoking. Agreed about the complexity.. my ‘09 C6… love it and plan to keep it until the day I’m gone, love the beauty of the design and curves. Hard to work on? You bet! But I’m blessed to have an excellent local shop that knows the car. One thing I will say about the newer generation is how they self diagnose (OBDII)…. Huge improvement. My brother has a gorgeous’65 and yep simple to work on but ya know not the same safety standards as we have today. Traction control and ABS…. Wow! I also believe the aftermarket will pick up the slack on some material.. but I know it’s a roll of the dice sometimes with that stuff. Keep up the good work Lyle!
@bobhenn1692
3 күн бұрын
Lyle, Sadly I agree with your thesis. I have 2 C5s and can't see ever parting with them I've also got a 1972 LT1 with air and a MCACN Triple Diamond award. With 3 grandchildren who I have brought into the hobby, I am hopeful that long after "grandpa" is gone, they will drive and enjoy those Vettes.
@earlbiggers7044
3 күн бұрын
Good observations on your part Lyle. Perhaps the complexity of the new models will bring about a Renaissance for the C3s (and older) models. It could also boost the creation of more C3 restomods that have some modern features without the incredible complexity of C8s and newer.
@smoo215
2 күн бұрын
As long as it is a loved car, someone will always step in to make the parts at a cost of course. Happening right now with my gen 2 mr2.
@daves4202
3 күн бұрын
As a 2003 C5 owner whose EBCM recently failed, I feel this. I sent it out to a reputable "Fixer" recommended on the forums for repair but I was told the +5v power supply was damaged and not repairable. Now I'm looking for a working replacement. Lyle, if you have a source for one, please let me know!
@thomasfastiggi6306
3 күн бұрын
At 70, my 1995 Corvette is becoming more and more difficult to get in and out of. It’s not going to be a long-term in my family that’s for sure. But as to your video, Lyle, I think what will happen is that the newer models will end up in a pattern of higher turnover, but at the same time because of, their ease of service sexy looks and good old fun 1960s era Corvettes will continue to appreciate value. Like an old pair of shoes, that’s where I think the love will be.
@robarnt6
3 күн бұрын
At this year's Corvette Rally in Eureka Springs AR. I'll be on the lookout for this fellow who shows up in his C3. He stashes a walker behind the driver's seat. You'll never hear me utter words to the effect that my C6 is becoming more and more difficult to get in and out of.
@chasc67
Күн бұрын
At least I know I’m not the only one that grows emotionally attached to my cars. My Ruby (which y’all put a new Harmonic Balancer on back in March) is like a member of the family. Everyone in my house refers to it as “Ruby” and not “the corvette.” When people ask if I am going to sell it, even a friend that has a classic dealership in town has hinted at wanting to buy it, I always answer that it goes to my son or daughter that is willing to take care and maintain it. Even if I “upgrade” to a C7 or C8, I don’t see myself removing Ruby from the family…
@Joe-wv7pv
2 күн бұрын
I think part of what you’re talking about too is that modern Corvettes don’t have the same soul that the older ones do. A lot of these newer Corvettes are just used cars when they get older. Unlike the older ones where it feels like something special to own it. It’s the difference of classic car versus used car
@tomfisher5321
Күн бұрын
Excellent content. Very well said - thank you.
@davenobleswimmer7235
3 күн бұрын
I like your observation of the changing market, Unfortunately I think you are correct. Now days it seems that items we buy become throwaways. To bad that some electronic company does not see a nitch market to begin making electronic parts for the C5 and C6 and soon for the C7's.
@andybailey6763
3 күн бұрын
The Corvette has become just another new car.
@badmasonry1449
5 сағат бұрын
My auto shop teacher in 1985 said your exact same words.
@labf5213
4 күн бұрын
Well put sir. I did not know there was such a technological difference between the C5 and C6 so that was new information to me. Thank you for the great work you do for all of us
@csvette
4 күн бұрын
Happy to help!
@JoeZasada
3 күн бұрын
This issue also affects mustangs, Camaros, challengers, etc.
@stevestepro2354
19 сағат бұрын
I own a 2003 C5 and a year ago I bought my wife a 1979 C3. I can’t tell you that the C3 is much easier to work on than the C5 but they are both fun to drive in spite of the huge difference in the horse power. I’ve been working on cars since I was 10 years old and have done clutches several times by myself but I’m almost afraid to try it on that C5. I can see why the popularity seems to be growing in the C3’s.
@charlespapineau5428
Күн бұрын
Great comments and here is my take. I grew up in a GM family where my Dad had a 69, a 72, a 73 , an 82 and a 93 Corvette. He also had a 67 427 convertible for a short time. All these cars except the 93 were infinitely easy to work on for the enthusiast. We were also brought up learning how to work on them. As you said, C6 and newer cars are FAR too complicated for the average guy to work on. They are also prohibitively expensive for most people. Add in the planned obsolescence that every auto maker builds in right after the warranty expires and you simply cannot build a long term bond with a vehicle. If you are dependent on electric modules made by GM, that tells you right away that you will never be able to pass a C6 or newer down to your kids and grandchildren because they won't be able to keep it running down the road. Personally, I think the new cars are amazingly capable, but you lose the connection between driver and car when it is so sophisticated. This is why Miatas are so successful. Not blazing fast, but the driver to car connection is there, and it is fun. The older Corvettes, like pre-1974, have a terrific support network for parts and service advice. The problem with them is that they are becoming rarer and rarer and, consequently, more expensive to where someone starting out can't afford them. Add in the fact that kids are more thrilled with the latest I-phone than getting their fingers dirty, it means the hobby will eventually just be for the well-heeled who love these cars.
@joethompson-tv1ss
Күн бұрын
Yea, 25 year owner of my 99 C5 here. I'm keeping it.
@wydopnthrtl
4 күн бұрын
C5 Z06 here. Hoping to keep it until I can't drive anymore. And even then... I'll sneak out every once in a while 😆
@pediajo1
3 күн бұрын
When the automobile dealer's association's MBA consultants evaluated dealer cash flow, its focus was to maximize revenue and after analyzing margins gained from selling new and used cars, service became the next target. Factories obliged by making it risky for home and local service providers to be able to work on cars as well as creating warranty's that might become void if service was not done at a factory authorized dealership.
@edstingray3828
2 күн бұрын
My 1972 I've owned 42 years. My 42 year old daugh😢what's my 72. It currently totally rebuilt. Luckily they live in Florida. I haven't pass yet. My grand son wants my C8 but he 15. But u are correct, time will tell.
@cardriverBill
3 күн бұрын
I own a c5. I’ve toyed with the idea of moving up to a c7. I work on my c5 when it needs it. I’m never crazy about it being broken, but I do like knowing more about my car when I do the repair. I have a lift so many repairs are easier. I feel the c7 is getting beyond what I can do, so I loose that knowledge and bond. I look at my yellow c5 vert and think it’s still pretty nice and the urge goes away. I think Lyle is right when he thinks the hobby is changing. That “I fixed it myself “ capability is getting a little out of reach and for some they’re perfectly happy but for me , obviously, I struggle with not being able to give the fix a try. I guess doing the fix is part of my hobby thing.
@terrywix6844
Күн бұрын
Finally, I sold my C6 Z06, 2LZ w only 13,600 miles after 28 months of ownership. I did not feel safe driving the all aluminum frame, carbon fiber quarter panels. Plastic bumpers and fiberglass hood, roof, doors, and hatch. Now I don't worry about dropping an exhaust valve in the cylinder and blowing up a 20K engine and damaging the drive train and rear end. Cash is King...
@mattlavine3569
3 күн бұрын
Lyle, I agree with you 100 percent. Parts for later model vettes are going to be harder to find as manufacturers are focused on phasing out ice vehicles for electric/hybrid platforms. Heck, I’ve even discovered that some new parts for my C7 are no longer available. Future cars will be designed to last only a few years, and I imagine that cost of ownership will be through the roof causing many folks to avoid the sport car hobby altogether.
@eddiponzio5080
3 күн бұрын
Lyle I own a C3 1980. She’s my first and last Corvette. I have owned her going on 3 years in February. I have bonded with my Corvette. I have zero interest in moving into a newer generation. I am not a mechanic but I love detailing her and making her better everyday with several investments I have made.I have not done the work I have an excellent trusted mechanic. What I have done is planned the investments. Tires- Ceramic coat - rear leaf spring - magnaglow exhaust- red t tops - stereo etc. So in closing for me the hobby is alive and well for me. My car is at her forever home and I’m proud to own her. My God she has her own playlist! Lol 😂 This is a great topic. Thank you
@anthonytonello6653
Күн бұрын
This is the reality of the whole car hobby. Hoovie has recently talked about it. The owner of phantom works, has talked about it in relationship to a mid 80's bmw.
@patrickkeschl596
Күн бұрын
What I do think is changing however, is the Corvette as an EVERYDAY daily driver. In its day, the C5 was marketed by General Motors as a car you can drive every day, all year round. Not many people today buy a C7 or C8 with the intent of driving them as their primary vehicle. Especially up north.
@richardapril2385
Күн бұрын
The possibility of ending up with a bricked corvette due to the failure of electronic components that cannot be easily and affordably replaced is definitely a concern that I did not worry about 20 years ago.
@petercarey5074
3 күн бұрын
I started my club, Natural Glass Corvette Association in 1971 after I purchased my dream Vette. It's been in existence for over 50 years. But I can't claim credit for keeping the club going in that, as they say, life gets in the way. But I am a member and so is my daughter. Good point Lyle on how "things have changed" as to how we could fairly easily work on our C1's, C2's and C3'a back in the day. Then with the onset of the C4, "things" changed. And now with the C8's, you have to wizard to work on them. Heck, I'm finding new items incorporated into the car that even the manuals don't touch upon. This was great topic for you choose. Save the Wave 🙋♂
@geraldscott4302
2 күн бұрын
I have absolutely ZERO interest in a computerized Corvette. And I hate the looks of newer Corvettes. My favorite years for Corvettes are 1974-1977. Yes, I like the 1968-1972 models, but they were out of my price range back in 1989, when I bought my 1976 model. I was 16 in 1976, and I thought the Corvettes of that era were the most beautiful cars in the world. I still do. I went through a few tough years with my '76 Corvette. It was in beautiful condition when I bought it, original AZ car, no rust. But it needed work. All the rubber suspension bushings and body mounts were bad, it had leaking brakes, and a few other problems. I was renting a house at the time, and had very little place to work on it. And besides a motorcycle, it was my only transportation. I had no garage, but I did keep it covered. I went through several car covers. Finally in 1995, I bought a house with a 2 car garage, and shortly thereafter, a beater transportation car. Finally I was able to set about restoring the Corvette. It took almost 15 years to get to the point where I could call it finished, if you can actually say that a classic car is ever really finished. Pretty much everything was replaced. I still have the original engine and transmission, but I built my own engine for it, and had a TH350 custom built for it. The goal was not so much for more power, though it does make about 100hp more than it originally did. It was mostly about reliability. It is completely stock appearing, with VERY few exceptions. It has gone from a restoration project to a collector car. I take it out early Sunday mornings when there is almost no traffic on the road and drive it a little. And that is pretty much where it will remain for the rest of my life. I am now 65, and will not be doing any more serious work on cars, other than minor repairs and maintenance. I don't feel that anything newer than a C3 is really suitable as a hobby car or collector car. The C4 looks more like a Camaro than a Corvette. My '76 still turns heads like crazy, and I get a lot of compliments and questions about it. Nobody seems to even notice a C4. I find the styling to be bland and boring. And I have no interest in performance when it comes to a Corvette. I do have a home built hot rod street/strip car with over 600hp and a manual transmission. It is a blast to drive, but can be a handful on the street. It is far from being cosmetically perfect. It is strictly old school, no computers. My son in law helps me work in it when necessary. I gave up drag racing a couple years ago. But for now, it satisfies my "need for speed". I don't believe ANY computer car is suitable for a hobby car. Even if you have the skills and diagnostic equipment to work on them, and can find parts, I certainly don't see how it could be any fun. I'm a car guy, not a computer guy. I avoid computers as much as possible. At best I see them as one of life's necessary evils. The C5 and newer Corvettes are not only unattractive to me, but they are completely impractical. And I don't mean because they only have two seats. They are so low you can't back out of a driveway or over a speed bump without dragging the bottom of the car. And they have pretty much nothing in the way of tires. Huge ghetto wheels with a one inch wide strip of rubber wrapped around them are not only disgustingly ugly to me, but they are completely undriveable. My '76 can be driven anywhere any other car can. It has plenty of ground clearance and 225/70-15 tires.
@pawsnpistons
3 күн бұрын
Thats why GM or any other brand should produce parts for 50 years or more. Of course they are getting more expensive each year but you should still be able those parts new in OEM quality.
@NotOnYourLife
3 күн бұрын
Perfect video Lyle! The vehicle relationship goes beyond the Corvette for me. While I love my 89 6 speed vert, I have a much deeper relationship to both of my 2003 GMT800 trucks, a 2003 Yukon XL Denali and a 2003 2500HD. I won't sell them and get something newer, I can still work on them at 60 years old and parts are still available and cheap. My wife buys a new Chevy truck every few years and doesn't really understand my desire to keep my old ones going (they have required very little) yet when we take our annual cross country trips we take the Yukon. She thought I was nuts for buying the C4 but I can work on it and it brings a huge smile to my face when I drive it and thanks to people like you I can still mostly get parts for it.
@jimbuono2404
2 күн бұрын
The big shift in the Corvette hobby is happening now, with the C8. Because of affordability, the Corvette had been an older man's car. It was designed for guys who had accumulated some money and always wanted a vette. I bought my first vette in the early 70's, and since I've had a 94, 96, 04, 08 and 2014. I got rid of the C7 because it no longer fit me. The designers of the vette, starting with the C7 wanted to go after a younger market. The young attorney, stock broker, guy who inherited some money, the Porsche market. So they changed the car to appeal to that guy. When I got rid of my C7 I bought a Benz sl450. It's a great car. Roomy, quick enough, top quality materials throughout. When it's time to get rid of it, I'm going back to an 03 anniversary or an 04 Commemorative. It will be my last car and they fit me just fine.
@csvette
2 күн бұрын
I think your plan is a very good one. What year is your SL450?
@jimbuono2404
2 күн бұрын
@@csvette 2019, Cardinal red metallic with a white interior. It's a really pretty car.
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