Matt is spot on when he says that media is destroying hunting. We have had an explosion of leasing in the last 15 years. I believe the hunger for trophy deer has overcome the idea of letting your neighbors son get his first deer. or just go squirrel hunting. Leasing is killing access in Ohio. Leasing makes me wish deer didn't have antlers!
@rjvanetten3123
11 ай бұрын
I am conflicted because I like Matt and can agree with his view. But no one in my family hunted. If it weren’t for hunting media I would not be here and I wouldn’t have found what I now enjoy the most and dedicate my free time too.
@changing-the-world
11 күн бұрын
And they are saying people like you are the problem. Because you are a new hunter. I think the problem is that wilderness are on the decline
@Iowa_Whitetail
Жыл бұрын
I LOVE THAT “WE” ARE HAVING THESE CONVERSATIONS!!!!!! Whatever your views on these very complex issues… & there are issues... We all are part of the problem & we can be part of the solutions as well. Until we continue to flush these issues through & fix our own house - issues get worse. Fantastic this dialogue taking place. Fantastic some folks who are “pimping hunting out” are getting called out (crossbow companies for example that pay lobbyists & politicians - ruin states & they get rich). I’m 1/3d through but fantastic more convos like this are happening!!!! 👍💪🔥👊
@HUNTRPOD
Жыл бұрын
Thanks man…it’s an uncomfortable conversation. But that means it needs to happen
@ep3389
Жыл бұрын
The hunting public would never be able to do what they are doing if they weren't making money off it.
@garrettlaborde-u1w
11 ай бұрын
The hunting public does not reveal locations either unless they are hunting private😂
@progradepainting3755
9 ай бұрын
@@garrettlaborde-u1wyou can easily see where they are hunting. Every place the were hunting in Arizona was bombed out by other hunters after those episodes.
@Elonzo-k2y
5 ай бұрын
THP ARE FAAA GUTS
@goomer2215
Жыл бұрын
Man this is definitely conflicting. Matt raises some good points, especially with the Hunting Public stuff. I love watching them, but when I really think about it - if they came to the WMA closest to me and filmed a show and all of a sudden it becomes way overcrowded I’d be pretty upset. I think public lands naturally get more crowded but it would be the unnatural, sudden influx that would be frustrating
@ryannoel8978
Жыл бұрын
And they spend that time running and gunning spooking the area out
@pilsenoutdoors3721
Жыл бұрын
public land is just that. IT just comes off like land is just for one person and not for everyone and most hunting shows don't show exactly what piece they're hunting. Plus anyone chasing where shows hunt are cornballs. There's animals everywhere.
@goomer2215
Жыл бұрын
@@pilsenoutdoors3721 there are always going to be those chasers though. I could be wrong, but I’d guess that if you shot a big buck on public you wouldn’t go post exactly where you shot it? And why not. Well because 99% of people don’t publicly post their hunting spots so as to keep their hard earned scouting/hunting mostly secret. But hunting media shows literally have to post that stuff to make money. Sure they won’t show exactly where they’re at, but sometimes it’s inevitable that a key landscape feature or something gets shown. And don’t get me wrong, on the flip side if they went to a piece of public somewhat near me and shows a bunch of big bucks and I knew where it was would I be tempted to go check that place out? Sure why not. Yes it’s public property and I’ve run into my fair share of natural crowds. But it’s understandable that nobody, when given the choice, would want the places they hunt to be posted online
@lukeminey2059
9 ай бұрын
THP goes out of their way to not give away spots they'll mention a state maybe an area like Southern Western etc they have even edited clips to avoid showing prominent landmarks and all the topo maps they show in videos are for just that show so if they do give away a spot it wasn't intentional and it's more likely someone was really really good at geomapping by the videos they post
@mmafreaks4871
4 ай бұрын
they've pretty much done this to my whole state... Idaho is so crowded now. It sucks.
@DocJillBeans
10 ай бұрын
I took a 1.5 year break from social media and when I came back I was happy to find Hunt Quietly articulating some of the issues I felt were harming both me and society at large. The key is thoughtful usage of this insanely helpful/harmful tool that humans have created, and that is going to look different for each individual.
@joereidoutdoorsman.3136
10 ай бұрын
I never got on it lol
@mattsanchez1224
Жыл бұрын
Can’t help but think about Chris Bee killing that Kansas hammer on public land, posting it all over, and then going back the next year and crying that there was pressure
@HUNTRPOD
Жыл бұрын
You’ll hear it from Chris next week 😂
@usernamehere6061
Жыл бұрын
They want all the credit of public land success and the money they get from ad revenue but then cry when others do the same thing.
@ryanbfor3
Жыл бұрын
people just wanna be seen so bad its crazy. i promise you dont need to post every animal you shoot or every fish you catch... then to complain when people show up hahaha
@jz3318
Жыл бұрын
@@ryanbfor3for real! One friend of mine gets mad when I take pictures of little fish and I tell them that the little ones need love too! 😊
@devinwillis7787
11 ай бұрын
@@ryanbfor3he needs to if he wants to make money on it.
@metamurph6784
Жыл бұрын
Am I the only one who finds it ironic he is badmouthing televising hunting, while having been on multiple episodes of meat eater doing exactly that??
@mmafreaks4871
4 ай бұрын
yeah, he has the experience to talk on it and I doubt he films now.
@inspector9128
19 күн бұрын
Nope you definately aren't alone
@codysett1
Жыл бұрын
I saw a short where Matt was talking about his brother and so I sought out the episode, the clips are working boys. Weird conversation. I’ve been hunting for only 5 years and a lot of my inspiration was watching hunting shows. However I grew up wanting to hunt but my parents didn’t believe in hunting or guns for that matter so I wasn’t exposed to the opportunity of others grown up in the sport. I listen to a lot of podcasts and I think a lot of people get too philosophical about a lot of this. I say that as a somewhat outsider newbie. It’s hunting, you want to do it or you don’t. When people talk about opportunities it seems kind of weird no one ever talks about the opportunities of those who weren’t fortunate to grow up doing it. My daughter got her first deer at 11. I still haven’t gotten my own. I’m sure her opinion of things in this subject will differ then mine when she becomes a adult. This all seems a little complainy and I’m sure the influx in numbers will go up and down as the craze of the people making shows Wayne in popularity. For context in 29 and my daughter is 13. I had her when I was 15 and worked 2 jobs up until a few years ago. Also I’m in az. Point I’m trying to make is it’s like everything else. Towns and places that offer something to the public are going to attract people in this day and age. Matt’s not hunting as his only source of food. No one is really. It’s all sport and his is popular as ever right now. The only people who really have a genuine point is probably the dudes who where at the end of their lives hunting as he was a young boy. Guys who HAD to hunt. Not got too.
@progradepainting3755
9 ай бұрын
And so, have you even killed a deer in those five years since you’ve started?
@progradepainting3755
9 ай бұрын
And for the record, I’m a 4th gen Arizonan
@Buddystemz
8 ай бұрын
You’re right, you are new. The decline in hunters has been drastic over the last 20 years. It may be popular and that’s why all the land is getting leased and preventing everyday guys places to hunt that they’ve hunted their whole lives, so they give it up.
@progradepainting3755
8 ай бұрын
@@Buddystemz hunter numbers are skyrocketing, what planet are you living on?
@Buddystemz
8 ай бұрын
@@progradepainting3755 you must be a young kid. There might be more of these people posting videos, but all you have to do is google and look at the reports and it’ll show you there has been a steady decline. The amount of youth hunters is droppin every year because kids would rather stay inside and play on electronics. Idk what planet you live on. Back in the 80s,90s, early 00s you’d see tons of hunters , groups of deer drivers and you rarely see that anymore. Land is gettin taken up every year and leaves people nowhere to hunt.
@tylerjordan9041
Жыл бұрын
Loved this podcast so much! There’s a lot more we should and can do as an industry. Hopefully this conversation will inspire a lot of us to take a hard look in the mirror, even us at Realtree. I’ve looked at trying to get more involved with the Congressional Sportsman Foundation to have Washington lobby more for hunter access. I’ve listened to Matt a lot and this is by far his best interview to date. Good job, guys!
@HUNTRPOD
Жыл бұрын
Thanks Tyler! Appreciate what you all do already for conservation and hunters. We can always be better, just need to talk it out!
@OBSZIDIAN548
10 ай бұрын
That's part of the problem......this "industry". That's going to be the demise of this "hobby" or "sport" or "lifestyle". Hunting being industrialized is not a good thing, unless of course you are capitalizing on it.....but you are so you know that already. Things that you love should not be exploited. The first dollar that rolls in changes the game, no pun intended. Regards from a western hunter
@hirammoore5601
Жыл бұрын
Guys love your content and love it’s about hunting and what we love to do. But if you can’t see he’s right about THP I don’t know what to tell you. Numbers indicate he’s right. Since social media in general but especially THP public land hunting you can’t hunt public land anymore it’s too many people. I agree that they do love it but also it has caused a tremendous amount pressure on public lands
@HUNTRPOD
Жыл бұрын
First I don’t think THP is doing anything intentionally. Second, chicken and egg situation…is it because THP made it cool to hunt public OR because of lack of access. I don’t know many people who have private to hunt but choose to hunt public…at least sane people 😂
@reddawng43x91
Жыл бұрын
They intentions mite be good but you can’t disagree when we all know it’s ruining public opportunity for a good experience
@russelllangworthy8855
Жыл бұрын
@@HUNTRPODChicken and the egg. Anyone with any sense knows the egg came first.
@firemancobb38
Жыл бұрын
I love THP videos.. But I also dread the day they come anywhere near the public lands I hunt..
@progradepainting3755
9 ай бұрын
@@HUNTRPODthere’s no lack of access in Arizona, but there’s sure as hell a lack of glassing nobs, because every hill has a ninja on it due to THP and newberg fiasco we were subjected to.
@matthewdefee171
Жыл бұрын
So much to potentially unpack here, but I'll try to keep it to what I see as the largest point. First, thanks, Jeremy and Jared, for having these discussions. You obviously have incentive (both financial and practical) and benefit from hosting the pod, but that doesn't detract from the benefit the hunting community as a whole gains from having these discussions publicly and in front of a wide audience. We appreciate it! 🍻 Secondly, I honestly understand where Dr. Rinella (Matt) is coming from with many of his perspectives re. publicizing hunting through social media (and other forms) hurting the core/longstanding hunters. In fact, I agree with him on that being the case. However, respectfully, I think his conclusion is a short sighted. He appears to look at the impact of social/legacy media on hunting as purely negative and assume that if these media outlets were to dissappear tomorrow, the accessibility of hunting would dramatically increase - I completely disagree with that notion, at least in the long term. Hunting, in my mind, has become a zero-sum game where nobody wins, and the best available strategy is to adopt the solution where hunters simply lose less (lesser of two evils). Ultimately, conservation of land is getting harder and hard to maintain with a growing population and need for both cities and rural communities to expand. The louder voice has more say in today's society and there is strength in numbers, so at the end if the day, we will have an easier time holding onto public land access or even gaining access to land through expanding state funded programs by having more hunters to fight for that cause. I hunt public land almost exclusively, across three different states every year - the last thing I want is more competition from another hunter or more people to steal my trail cams - but if expanding hunter numbers allows myself and other hunters who rely heavily on public land availability to hunt in the first place, that's the devil I'm going to dance with. Furthermore, State and local governments, and therefore politicians, will largely only support initiatives that they can justify financially (unless and overwhelming majority of their voters don't support it) - increased hunter numbers results in increased tax revues - you start taking that away, and those legislators will be disincentivize to support the programs and they'll ultimately disappear. Lastly, The Hunting Public guys are a net positive for the hunting industry. They educate hunters on ethical practices, better tactics, and increase awareness to state resources (which keep them around). Somebody that takes up hunting and completely focuses on public land just because they saw them do it likely won't last long. Hunting like that is hard if you want to be successful. I personally don't see most people having the drive and determination to pick up the sport and stick with it for long if THP was their introduction to hunting. Those guys make it easy lol, the real game is 100x harder 😂. All good stuff, though. Thanks again for having the tough/important conversations 🤙
@HUNTRPOD
Жыл бұрын
Great stuff man, the hunters needed for public land thought is a good one. I think one scary thing is that we talk about the number of hunters decreasing (or so we are told) but it seems more packed. Lack of access is a big part of that BUT go back and find the clip when we talked Hunter Education being the barrier to entry for a license, and look at the shear volume of people who said “I don’t need no damn license”…so my question is, with the rise in government distrust, how substantial is the number of non-licenses (therefore non-accounted for) hunters on todays landscape?
@matthewdefee171
Жыл бұрын
@HUNTRTUBE Thanks for the follow-up. I'd hate to throw out an arbitrary number because I honestly don't know how many hunters would fall in that category. Personally, I do imagine it's very low in most places that are even remotely populated. The public I hunt in Ohio is extremely pressured (feedback from other out of state hunters I've met there) and seems to be getting worse each year, but I've still never encountered anyone I'd feel confident saying who fits that description (I don't need a license). Anecdotal evidence but substantial in my opinion given that I've met and talked to over 100 other hunters in the last 3 years. That said, I get at least 1, maybe 2 trail cams (out of about 16) stollen every year, so theres still plenty of assholes out there hunting. Most come during gun season from my experience. I wonder if the total number of hunters decreased recently, mostly hunted private, whereas a large majority of new hunters (still net negative/decreasing) are hunting public. Logically, this makes sense to me - private land that used to hunt 4 people on 1 lease sells to 1 individual hunter. 2 of those on the former lease quit (at least for a season or two) and the other 2 go hunt public. The total hunter population decreased by 2, but public land hunters increased by 2. Extrapolate that out across all the land sales during the historic interest rate lows a few years ago and that *could* explain what we're seeing. All just opinion, though. 🍻
@timothyradcliff6144
Жыл бұрын
It is abundantly clear that you haven’t spoken to a farmer. Making food plots is NOT farming for a livelihood! You could have made this more interesting with allowing a farmers perspective on these grandiose ideas…
@mtndeer
11 ай бұрын
You hit the nail on the head and the fact that it’s kind of too late. Social media has already happened and it will definitely be a culture shift. We hunt industrial forest private land but everybody can hunt. And I think you’re right it’s time to check our attitudes a little bit and the hunting public comment was right on.
@yamsandpotatoes4243
Жыл бұрын
social media sometimes makes it look like hunting is some serene experience in nature where everything goes as planned etc but it is always a rollercoaster of dice rollin' chances, breakdown of plans, coming together of a new plan, reaching that goal you have came here for. they take too much of the "ugly" stuff out, and it makes new hunters discouraged from failures
@brendanfahey9575
11 ай бұрын
Typing while watching: "Hunting awareness" segment, You mention the 1990's - 2000's as your Highschool / youth, I graduated in 1994 here in Wisconsin. Access to big buck information was "limited" to exactly what you said, hunting magazines and pictures of friends/family deer camps or stories(1/2 of them not to be believed). In 1993/1994 QDM started in Buffalo County Wisconsin. This was after staff writers and organizations like Wisconsin Bowhunters, Illinois Bowhunters started publishing articles about trophy bucks in Joe Davies County. Data compilation became easier and Joe Davies County showed more P&Y deer than any other county in the country for 7-10(I can quite remember it was 27-29 years ago) straight years entered into the 'Book". And the number of B&C bucks taken not only with a gun but now with a Bow were 8-10x the second place county in the country. So two men decided to rally the people of Buffalo County to start QDM there. Within three years it was the #1 county in country for P&Y & B&C entries. Then 8 years latter Pike County Ill took the #1 spot. I can only speak for Buffalo County & Joe Davies County on the next point as I have not been to Pike County. This created a new market that you have not touched on in this interview thus far, outfitters. For generations, much like most farm land in this country, farmers in these areas held extremally large parcels of land. The main reason was the terrain, the tillable acreage on 100 acre farm was around 30%. Do to topography the bluffs made it almost impossible to farm without owning 1000+ acres. and the woods were a waste. Sure there was some income from logging but the majority of it was to steep to make any considerable amount of money logging. Once QDM was introduced annual leases on the formerly wasted woodland quickly became a greater source of revenue than these generational farmers had ever seen their crops produce. So wooded land values went through the roof, or families started an outfitter service on their own land instated of an annual lease, I remember when I heard about weekly leases before the Idea of renovating an unused barn into a bunk house and outfitting became a thing. So this Idea that the rich bought up all the land and are keeping people out of it, is a bit of a stretch for me. Rich people have always had the most acreage, and I am always asking them for permission to bow hunt their accidental sanctuaries. I think Tech and Media has helped several people get back into public land hunting. I have friends that 20 years ago would never come with me on public because they thought 100 yard walk with no map and just a compass was nuts. Those same guys are now telling me that they are out in swamp edges and beyond on public(thanks a lot onX). Good news for me is they still couldn't identify a deer trail from a beaver trail, but that's beside the point. 1/20 "new bow hunters" will go deeper in the woods than 300 total yards. So there will just be more people up front to drag my buck past on the way out. Worst things to happen to Deer hunting in Wisconsin in the last 28 years: 1.Baiting 2.The implementation of politicians at the top spot in the Department of Natural Resources or the removal of nonpartisan Wildlife Biologists. 3. Crossbows 4. Trail Cameras I could go on and equity of land opportunity would not even be in the top 100 Great content guys I really enjoy everything you guys put out there!
@travissmith-wz5nc
Жыл бұрын
1.3 million hunters in 1996 in Michigan. 575k today. Public was loaded. Public is pretty empty in the northern lower and upper peninsula.
@HUNTRPOD
Жыл бұрын
Still deer up there?
@travissmith-wz5nc
Жыл бұрын
@@HUNTRPOD150k to 200k but mi has a terrible dnr that doesn't do deer surveys. Chad Stewart didn't help when was on your podcast. Kinda a shit show here.
@HUNTRPOD
Жыл бұрын
Man I like Chad we worked together. I applaud him for at least have a public social media page to chat. But sounds that way
@mmafreaks4871
4 ай бұрын
yeah they all come out west now...
@travissmith-wz5nc
4 ай бұрын
@@mmafreaks4871 or moved out of state
@stpaul0859
11 ай бұрын
I 100% agree with their take on the increase of hunters on public land and the lack of access. There is no more places to go where "other hunters dont"
@Alberta_MTN_Bear
Жыл бұрын
1:21:00 The argument is, baseball isn’t a resource requiring the efforts of conservation to maintain its place in society. It’s renewable through the manufacturing process. Hunting is only sustainable if the efforts from biologists and ethically motivated hunters exercise active practices to ensure its longevity
@travissmith-wz5nc
Жыл бұрын
Gets good around 29:30 . I own 40 acres and put 3k a yr into food plot and apple trees and habitat. I see roughly 20 deer a hunt. 4 miles away on state land I seen 5 deer in 6 days 6 yrs ago. Y I bought property.
@HUNTRPOD
Жыл бұрын
Yea sorry took us priming his pump to get going…
@travissmith-wz5nc
Жыл бұрын
@HUNTRTUBE nothing to be sorry about bullshittin is a big part of hunting. Also private land owners do tons of habitat work to get access to animals. Federal gov could timber harvest like they did before the early 90s.
@Iowa_Whitetail
Жыл бұрын
Great stats!!!! That should be a stat that wakes People up. I grew up in MI & hunted whole state. The hunting got so bad - thousands of hunters literally QUIT!!! Access to quality hunting was absolutely terrible when I quit hunting there & I’m part of that stat. All while MI passed every new weapon & season known to man!!! Incredible MI lost that many hunters & so few know or understand it!!
@travissmith-wz5nc
Жыл бұрын
@@Iowa_Whitetail my man skip. 💪. Thank you for posting the double tree rye blend on iowawhitetail. I am in Harrisville area north of Oscoda and after first frost that's the only blend seems to hold up to browse. I plant little earlier than most first weekend in August.
@HUNTRPOD
Жыл бұрын
Skip is all about the knowledge man!
@stickjr.3715
Жыл бұрын
Back in the day grandpa would spread corn around are trees. We saw deer and got us hooked as kids. We didn't know he was spreading corn. Lol. Fred Bear baited all the time.
@rodneypeck197
Жыл бұрын
He has some good points on social media and some big time hunters buying up thousands of Acre .🤔🙂
@littleJohn6500
Жыл бұрын
I feel this conversation so much I hunt to feed my family and if i don't kill something then we definitely don't get as much red meat that year. The money in hunting makes me mad but i go out on public land to hunt and I believe that if you out work the guy who does it because it "cool thing to do" I always been successful in that. Go where they won't work harder then them its cool to take the picture with the big elk or deer on public land but if you not willing to work harder then the other guys you probably won't be successful 10% of guys kill 90% of the deer and elk constantly
@j.b.bogart8158
Жыл бұрын
I agree with Matt. Hunting public lands nowadays compared to the 80s and 90s is horrible. For one reason is the hunt apps that point out every little piece of land that one is allowed to hunt. The little honey holes are passed down from generation to generation are no longer good spots. Nobody has to do their own research on maps or anything other means of research. So there is way less appreciation for these spots and people just blow in and out of them and wreck these spots for people that have actual time and effort into keeping them honey holes. Social media period has in my opinion put a bad look to the real reason us as generational hunters do what we do.
@dogguy8603
10 ай бұрын
Welcome to the 21st century, while i do feel for you the fact is that you are going to have to put in a little bit of work just like others who use apps to find spots. Just because i use a different technology that you dosent mean i care any less for the land thag i use, and remember you dont have any right to a spot, evey member of the public has a right to public lands, we shouldn't gatekeep hunting simply because it makes old people uncomfortable. Hell more hunters has far more benefits than drawbacks
@drewsnider9608
6 ай бұрын
I agree with Matt on this, social media is deteriorating the hunting experience. As someone who use to watch and be a fan of THP, eventually I saw the impacts of the increased pressure on the resource and decided to stop watching them and other similar platforms. They are not the sole cause of the problem, however I would like to see more advocacy for additional public land from them.
@mtndeer
11 ай бұрын
Sorry just getting around to finishing up listening and have been kind of commenting as we go. Pittman Robertson funds are actually supposed to be dedicated to providing hunter access to properties including waters boat launches etc. hunter education eats up about 50% of it and there are different amounts of percentages taxed on different things like handguns and long guns. 11% with handguns being 10% taxed And paid to the treasury of the US by manufacturers of guns ammunition as well as imports etc. and distributed to the fish and wildlife service. 50% is based on the state size and goes to enhance hunter Ed, programs. Wildlife research habitat enhancement, Shooting ranges and is paid in proportion to hunting licenses sold, sort of like a usage amount.A good portion goes to state owned wildlife management areas and their continued operation along with A funding of technical landowner support efforts. Each state must affirm and agree to the terms of these funds and how they are used and must comply and none of the funds can be diverted.Protection is part of the funds commitment and enhancing access is what it is committed to in shooting and hunting and availability. Hunter education not only for new people but also remedial hunter education for poachers/violators. If disease, environmental threats like PFA’s or research is needed these funds will be key
@mtndeer
11 ай бұрын
It’s so much trouble that everybody loves the same things, it’s so much trouble to want other people to have a great experience but never at the expense of your own? All we do is suffer other peoples freedoms….. does everybody at a concert get mad when someone else enjoys the music? Why is hunting differentThe problem is attitudes ….that’s it! Don’t make more out of it than it is, you can love it the way you want to and you can hate it the way you want to, it’s a personal choice and nothing less than that. If you’re in the field and you see orange and you feel bad maybe you should take up music.
@kyleevans1962
Жыл бұрын
I’m with you guys on a sudden decrease in hunters would be a great thing. I hate to say it but because of the hunting media hunting has become a fad and too easy. But, I know for a fact the way I was raised in hunting and the way I will raise my boy in hunting, we will be what is left. In the history of the world, a mass exodus isn’t always a bad thing.
@HUNTRPOD
Жыл бұрын
Totally agree it’s a cycle…it will drop and be great then Slowly build back up
@leightonsys5879
Жыл бұрын
In opinion I would agree that media has destroyed the experience of hunting has holding a standard of what someone should be happy with and the sales gimmicks as far a hunter recruitment I’m not concerned as most new hunters don’t stick but as private land goes I know a lot of people stopped giving permission based on people not respecting the land or dishonesty so it’s just locked down
@RogerBodrero-n7m
Жыл бұрын
So answer me this if the hunting public goes to Colorado to hunt elk on public land which is ultimately National forest and they monetize those said videos are they getting a film permit from the National forest from that said state?
@HUNTRPOD
Жыл бұрын
I believe they are in that case a federal permit. There is a fine line there on “filming for profit.” I dove deep on this when I filmed a lot. Some states you have to some places you don’t. KZitem was fine at one point but not a TV show
@bill8885
8 ай бұрын
Its definitely a good discussion worth having. Living in a blue New England state where legislation looks to restrict hunting and firearms ownership I can see a need to attract new hunters. A state legislator recently suggested they restrict hunting to 3 days a week so the 90% of the state could feel safe on public land.
@dustinweeza9723
Жыл бұрын
In central Wisconsin public land used to have more hunters 20 years ago. Price of land has been going up steadily for 100 years. If you want your own spot you have to put your money where your passion is and buy some land. It's the best investment an outdoorsman can make. For being smart and educated Matt sounds like other kids are playing in his sand box. I listened to him on the meat eater podcast with his brother and i can't see any of his points as anything other than i found good spots on public and now other people found it.
@How2bowhunt
3 ай бұрын
They’re forgetting the fact that the government doesn’t do any program well.
@charleskiple1113
11 ай бұрын
I can’t believe you can get new hunters to put in the time and effort. We have become such an instant gratification society. If people have to wait a minute for their iced coffee or 3 seconds for their webpage to load it frustrates them to no end. I understand that weapons are more accurate but you still have to hold steady to make that 350 yard shot. New hunters have to learn about playing the wind, stalking, calling, working with your dog, setting up decoy spreads, putting up tree stands, scouting, get up early, come home late, deal with wind and weather, be in decent physical shape and put in the time. Hunters learn so much every year that help them be more successful. I just can’t believe very many new hunters in today’s society will put in the effort for years to come. If there are more hunters creating more pressure the success rate will be low and frustration levels will be high.
@sethhussey5804
Жыл бұрын
The create opportunity discussion is really "cater to an aging and largely unfit population to try to maintain license sales"
@stevenmyers4862
Жыл бұрын
Matt talking about The Hunting Public guys making money off of hunting when his brother has arguably one of the biggest outdoor media companies there is. WHAT A JOKE
@HUNTRPOD
Жыл бұрын
This is a fact
@mikeknape7064
10 ай бұрын
It would be a joke if he exempted his brother. He doesn't
@13craj
Жыл бұрын
The hunting pressure has been so intense for so long in Michigan that no one here even knows what its like to see a 140-150 class deer unless you live way downstate near Indiana or Ohio. Matt is completely right. It's not just hunting. either, it's fishing, hiking, boating, everything outdoors is just completely over run since Covid.
@RKLIFE17
11 ай бұрын
Michigan is tough man. As a resident, I have to go to some very difficult areas and work hard to kill an 8 pt every year (north of the old rifle line) If you’re in Jackson or Hillsdale county on private land, it’s a Turkey shoot.
@user-ou4vv2ts2w
Жыл бұрын
I respect his opinion and as someone that grew up hunting private land because I was lucky enough to have been born in an area with big 1000 plus acres of private land in NW GA...I get the frustration of crowding even when the hunters are trespassing. However, it's plain evolution of the sport. Two brothers at opposite ends of the conversation. Don't allow this to stand between you and your brother. Sure it's rough seeing Steve successful.
@woodsrat9
Жыл бұрын
With your good ol boy logic only the people that had that dad or uncle should get the chance to hunt? But in the same breath you are saying that same father/uncle get you the pass to get into the hunting community? Or do you need to wait till that person is gone till you can fill there shoes. I agree with some of the thoughts that public land is over crowded but who get to decide who gets to hunt and who does not. Don’t hunt over a pile of corn but for you can hunt over my 10 acre food plot. I can’t wrap my head around most of this but I am a simple person.
@Bigale06
2 ай бұрын
I may be the outcast here but I dont agree, literally everyone here commenting is using social media for hunting because we like it. It will never disappear. I do agree with people using it just to make money is not ethical or helpful but there are thousands of hunting videos people make just for fun and don’t make a dime l. Some just like to share experiences and keep memories, as well as being able to let other start there own.
@johncrouch5778
Жыл бұрын
I found the Hoyt advertisement quarter way through so ironic lol
@HUNTRPOD
Жыл бұрын
Hahaha we use them and support them…I’m sure Matt hated it
@johncrouch5778
Жыл бұрын
@@HUNTRPOD lol I ain’t hatin, just thought it was funny
@Ryhunts
7 ай бұрын
Maps like ONX and such kind of hurt the public land experience as well. I've been hunting the same spot for elk and so did my father since he was a teenager. Since onx came into the game, i have never seen so many hunters.
@HUNTRPOD
7 ай бұрын
There is no doubt it’s out the spotlight on every corner
@308guy8
Жыл бұрын
At the end of the day, it's all about money and an ego measuring contest. it's truly sad that real hunters can't get access to properties because of money
@mikevernacchio5384
Жыл бұрын
In New Hampshire you can put your land in public use for any outdoor recreation for a tax break on property tax. Idk if that’s everywhere or just here but it’s illegal to take those tax breaks and then post it from hunters.
@FinkeFishing
9 ай бұрын
We've been saying it for decades tv hunters were ruining hunting for the average person the problem only got worse with KZitem hunters and social media
@joejohnson-vr4ik
Жыл бұрын
It’s not the same. I have to hike in sheep country 9,000 + to stay away from the First Light army. Maybe if MeatEater created more public land at the same rate as they machine out new hunters
@Tspin317
Жыл бұрын
Matts comments about THP are some of the most boomer comments I've heard. He's old school and i can see why he thinks that. But the THP guys might be the most genuine group of guys on KZitem. They hunt and work their ass off. They aren't out there in a big camper all year. If i had a kid and he wanted to watch hunting videos. I want him watching them. They embody what a good ethical hunter is and they teach good things. I hope they make a good living from this. Cause the amount of work it takes to do what they do. It's out of this world. I'm sure Matt is a great guy. But he reminds me of my dad. Old school and is a little too stuck in the past. It ain't like that and it isn't gonna be that way again. How do we adapt? I don't think that's his mindset. And btw. That is completely okay. I love my dad even if he doesn't believe in hunting the wind lol
@HUNTRPOD
Жыл бұрын
Bingo…the THP guys are great I think that was a big mischaracterization
@huntquietly
Жыл бұрын
People have been shooting wildlife on camera for 75 years. Rather than being old school, I’m proposing something fresh.
@masonsayler9658
9 ай бұрын
After THP came to my area in ND, it was followed by dozens of other hunting media channels the next year, then the influx of pressure came. Draws for rifle tags also went from 3 year draws to 10 year draws. In some of the most remote whitetail and elk spots, I was getting 4 hunters a week on camera. I understand Matt’s stance on THP exactly.
@slapneck77
Жыл бұрын
Personal opinion, if any given state is implementing easier methods to hunt deer and their population is going out of control then I don't have any problem with it. And I hunt with a compound bow, a rifle, a pistol and I plan on using a crossbow as well now that you don't have to be injured or disabled in Missouri to use a crossbow during archery. There will always be those who abuse laws but if the population of deer can sustain it then so be it, if not then it becomes an issue.
@chancefoley8767
9 ай бұрын
Crossbows aren't archery equipment, banning crossbows would open up public land a bunch, if you don't want to take the time to learn how to shoot a real bow, you can hunt gun season, it's bullshit that people have a gun with a scope that shoots "arrows" are out there shooting deer at 100 yards hunting along side me and my fucking longbow. "Drives" as well, there's never an ethical shot available on a running scared deer, people taking 5 shots and only managing to ass shoot and wound an animal is disgusting and inexcusable
@Koopwins
Жыл бұрын
Im a disabled guy and love my crossbow. With fixed blades you still gotta arrow tune and attempting a 100 yard shot on an animal is not feasible with the majority of crossbows. A 3 thousand dollar crossbow? Ok but people dont have that to spend on a bow. I use heavy arrows and fixed blades(tuffhead 3 blade) with a wicked ridge blackhawk 360 and the arrow weighs 515 grains with spine indexed arrows and it leaves the bow a little over 300 fps. 40 yards max absolutely max... i dont need to make a dime off this, brought to you by deergro! Where would we be without our hoyt bows? Probably shooting crossbows... or mathews, one in the same
@danielcarroll5271
Жыл бұрын
Too bad they didn't let the guest have the spotlight / lead the discussions. These two guys shouldn't waste the time to book a guest, all they do is yap between themselves the entire time. Instead of fasting, eat some food, and listen.
@davidnave4349
11 ай бұрын
Media has ruined places like here in Colorado . Use to be able to buy over the counter licenses . The state saw a opportunity to sale a lot of licenses and with fluctuations in populations of people higher levels of traffic , We use to have lots of game . We have a fraction of game , People call there selves hunters have and use thousands of dollars worth of equipment and get access were us the normal hunter that are dependent on filling out freezer now we can't even get a tag. Colorado has a bad habit of catering to the out of state person . When game is threatened from a bad winter , in stead of cutting out licenses they see opportunity to make monies and the so called hunters say screw ethics for the animals if the state is willing to give me a tag I'm on it . Also there are a bunch of these people on you tube etc. They are only in it for making money and getting clicks which have turn our sport into a monetary exploit . I agree with Matt 100 % It is very sad that we are even having this opportunity and this will be the end of hunting in the end. All part of the anti-gun community .
@ChrisC-yv8bz
11 ай бұрын
This is the same in the surfing world. But be careful hunters….. dont be like surfers. Theirs is a toxic culture and localism hasnt stopped more people from becoming surfers. But if you want to get away from the crowd, you just have to put in the work.
@lukeminey2059
9 ай бұрын
I totally agree retention over recruiting call me selfish all you want but the recruiting is driven purely on the greed of corporations for profits and state agencies wanting increased revenues
@matthewholmes8638
9 ай бұрын
It's like having your favorite resturant on a tv show. It goes from a great local spot to 3hr lines. The ones who eat there the most no longer do. I had a great spot in Mo that was public land hardly anybody hunted it except for rifle. Since the hunting public it's been packed. It shows guys they dont have to lease they can go to public land and shoot a good deer. Same with Elk out west. Also the idea of having a bunch of people you out hunt making it better and part of it is dumb.
@Josh-lx5wh
9 ай бұрын
@huntrpod I know this podcast has been out a bit but I finally was able to listen in entirety. Although rinella makes good points I think he’s barking up the wrong tree. He’s advocating for more access when he should be advocating for better management of the public we have! I’m east of the Mississippi and I own 40acres next to 320 of public. When vegetation dies and leaves drop I hold more wildlife than that 320! With simple practices I’ve learned on KZitem. (Tsi, hinge cuts, food plots). Why oh why can they not manage it so that hypothetically, 8 hunters could have a 40 acre wildlife rich chunk to themselves instead of 8 hunters all wanting to hunt the one good spot in that 320? There is a lot of public, but very little public that is good. The “best” hunting is always on the neighbor.
@zombiewack
Жыл бұрын
I appreciate Matt’s passion but we did not incentivize the industry hunting would no longer be legal within a decade.
@tmeyer3
Жыл бұрын
Don't forget that state game agencies are struggling with managing an ever growing deer herd.
@wijoey710
Жыл бұрын
Seasons fast approaching got to start practicing with my crossbow 😉😉😉😉😉😉😉😉😉
@rodneypeck197
Жыл бұрын
💯😂
@tyler1671
Жыл бұрын
Matt is 100% right.. I'm part native before we never had this problem now loo at what ya have done to wild game. Buying land to hsve the land or farm off of it to feed others not just you and family ( its not all about you cuz u own or lease that's still God's land ypur just a steward who paid to be one ) the hunting industry has ruined it for other hunters alot of the tpynger guys my age 30 don't even realize it cuz they got in to it where I'm from in ohio we hunted with our dads mine was born in 55 and grandpas we were young kids raised around men who looked out for other men hunting wise. I could stop at any firm in the county with my grandpa and we would get permission my grandpa worked for the government for some fsrm stuff and she knew every farmer in 2 Counties... worse thing is besides this stuff is gun hunters who drive deer with 30 fuckkng guys or use their kids during ypyth to kill 2 bucks or people not knowing how to manage bucks and does it'd going to hell fast boys might be the last generation to do this before everything is private.. my shawnee ass will always hunt though promise that
@boohanlon3305
Жыл бұрын
This entire conversation is predicated on the presupposition that the state will spend the money where it needs to be. Which has never in the history of government been the case.
@AlliRobbins86
Жыл бұрын
Bailing. He's so grumpy. The public land belongs to all of us.
@HUNTRPOD
Жыл бұрын
He got better
@bs431980
8 ай бұрын
I see the positive side of good hunting personalities. No doubt Steve Rinella got me off of it has to be a huge buck hunting concept and start filling freezer as 1st priority. However as much as I enjoy watching THP, Catman and others the KZitem phenomenon has led to crowded hunting especially on public. I’ve noticed it more with turkey than deer. 15 yrs ago I couldn’t name 10 people in my town who hunted turkeys but nowadays people are everywhere. Overcrowding public that’s already poorly managed or on private dealing with trespassers it’s been a huge issue and led to poorer results.THP was paid quite a bit by Tennessee wildlife to put together a series turkey hunting and the pulled tags from residents because the harvest numbers went up. But they didn’t cut back the out of state licenses distributed
@austinpegues8530
10 ай бұрын
This has to be the most hypocritical thing I have ever seen. They want to trash capitalism in the hunting industry and then they have a Hoyt ad in the middle😂 hunting should be for all. If more come and now it’s harder- be a better hunter. Come on guys. I appreciate hearing the other side but Mat has lost it. Wants to just eliminate social media. We can’t change that so you better just live with it.
@bonsaiminarai7449
9 ай бұрын
Another thing- I would love to hear Matt tell Dan Infalt that because he films his hunts he doesn’t love hunting whitetail… 😊
@progradepainting3755
9 ай бұрын
Dan Infalt is concerned about the same issues as Matt, so I don’t know what your point is.
@bonsaiminarai7449
9 ай бұрын
@@progradepainting3755 listen to the interview my point should be self explanatory.
@voodlandroamer4543
8 ай бұрын
I feel like Matt would have a better conversation with a more like minded host. Nothing against these guys, but they are what Matt is against. I’m glad I came across this. I have been thinking the same things Matt is talking about.
@timothyorr4258
Жыл бұрын
Always enjoy hearing Matt rinella speak.
@84brewers
10 ай бұрын
My biggest concern is will hunting still be available in 40 years for my younger nephew? I rather doubt it. That's my problem with these 3 gentlemen's stance. What they don't seem to realize is their method has been tried and led to less and less hunters. Sadly, that's not sustainable.
@quintenbullard2921
Жыл бұрын
Hunting media lowers the hunting ability to some but to other but raises others. He was around people who were naturally exposed to it before it but that’s not most people. I would rather have trouble drawing tags than not have any tags. It’s a shame to have something and not share it. The reason it’s spread is because it’s awesome. You can’t get mad at someone who love what you love. He’s comin to this as the victim who had something taken because he has but disregards that now something else can have those experiences. That’s the selfish part of Matt. He wants it how he wants it. It’s not about the animals. How do we get wolf hunting and keep from loosing grizzly bear. On top of that trapping is being taken.
@quintenbullard2921
Жыл бұрын
People have been expanding their hunting ground since the beginning of time. That’s how America became America. So we wouldn’t be here if Americans didn’t do it from the creation of our country. So maybe nobody should hunt their spot because it could have been someone else’s that they were pushed off. I know Oklahoma have a tax anything outdoor that goes to conservation
@HUNTRPOD
Жыл бұрын
Great points. I also think the western mindset is VERY tough to process. The average western hunter only has 59 days to hunt, in the east (Midwest in that) is more than double at 139 days. The density of hunters is astronomical in the East versus the west not to mention the amount t of land access in West states. You just can’t process it until you’ve hunted saturated states and I think that’s Matt’s issue
@quintenbullard2921
Жыл бұрын
@@HUNTRPODif you don’t feel like you own the land then why get mad at people being there. If it’s public then we all can be there. If you don’t want to deal with people pay for an outfitter or private land. It’s not like you can’t go. You just don’t like how it is and not because it’s worse for animals. One side nobody mentions is the developments and advances in technology have been pushed because there so many people using them. I don’t disagree that it couldn’t be better. I just don’t think having less people is a good thing. And you made the comment that eventually the pressure from so many people hunting that most people will stop hunting. Which I agree because I hated my experience out west and I don’t know if I want to go back. With that said. There is still the opportunity to go. And I think that’s what most people care about and what most states want. That also means open up more access but I don’t think it should be held against anyone to want to buy or lease land and I don’t think the people who make money are inherently wrong for making money. And I don’t think they should be held accountable for sharing their experiences but the community needs to come together to keep shot birds out. Not say all are bad because there’s more people. That’s like having a good idea and either holding it back for yourself or getting mad at other for doing it. The reason people go is because they have a desire to go same as the people who were going before them. My point is the barrier for entry can’t be that you were born into it or a buddy showed you. You should have access to information. And then have more people to put more awareness on issues that involve the outdoors. Like where is all the money going and why aren’t we seeing anything? But I’d there no community because we kept it to ourselves nobody’s gonna care if we can’t chase the critters. I don’t necessarily disagree with his points. More so how he came to them It’s nice to see another perspective even if I get pissed in the moment because what he’s against has shown me what is possible. So I’m the problem. Anyone who gets any information that wasn’t a self taught would be the problem. I learned how to trap from videos and books. Without that outlet I’d never caught anything and would have quit. I just disagree that information is the issue. You can’t make the argument that your spot got taken because there’s a good chance you took that spot from someone you never knew was there. Basically nobody hunts where no other human has been and if you are then there’s probably nobody else there. But if someone already hunted there then it wasn’t your spot.
@quintenbullard2921
Жыл бұрын
@@HUNTRPODit sounds like he’s mad at people having/getting money and using it how they like. I agree on the government needing to be better about access but not on not having the ability to buy land and do what I want with the resources that I worked to get. Because someone else doesn’t want to do the same. We all have the opportunity to buy land just may not have had the resources to do so but that’s not society. Not now in America. But I haven’t read anything that shows the number of animals declining other than turkeys in some states. You also have to think about the generations that are aging out and not being replaced because most people don’t hunt
@steveplantz7199
9 ай бұрын
So I have not made it through the whole podcast yet but if Matt does not like what the Hunting public does how does he feel about what his brother Steve does?
@HUNTRPOD
9 ай бұрын
You’ll find out lol
@colearmerbassin
10 ай бұрын
I understand the points Matt is trying to make here… the problem with his argument is that hunting HAS to be tied to money. The world’s human population is constantly increasing with land becoming more scarce and more valuable by the minute. If we don’t continue to promote hunting and get new people into hunting, that 5% of people that are hunters will vanish into less that 1% because exponentially more people don’t hunt than do. Then public land and WMAs will become developed into cities and suburbs because the hunters won’t be there to defend them. Long story short, more money in hunting means more money for wildlife agencies to protect and promote wildlife habitat.
@wisconsinoutdoorsman7159
11 ай бұрын
Lots of holes in his theories along with continuous talking in circles. However i 100% respect his conviction, especially with the last name.
@jonathanknutson40
11 ай бұрын
wow this was a fascinating listen. made me think about things i’ve never thought about
@monray300
10 ай бұрын
More and more hunting is becoming a rich man's game. I don't mind new hunters, as long as they are good people. I've had some bad experiences with other hunters, that has caused me to just put less into it. The worst thing that i see here in montana is loss of habitat, and people coming here that don't have traditional values.
@toddstewart9437
8 ай бұрын
For the love of your fellow outdoorsman, just go ahead and start investing in putting up a fence as opposed to buying up and locking up more land. I know that putting up a fence disqualifies your illusions of being "wild", but at least it would allow others the space to live out their fantasies.
@derekwwharvey4
Жыл бұрын
If these heavy hitters in the industry spent as much time actually trying to get people involved in the fight to keep our right to hunt instead of just trying to market to more people and get more people to hunt so they will buy their stuff we would have such a bigger voice and the fear of losing our sport would vanish.
@patrickstewart3255
10 ай бұрын
talk about hunts being spoiled...I'm from Ohio...this weekend in my public woods that I've been hunting for over 60 years the hunting pressure came from 4 trucks from PA...two from WVA...and one from Alaska....my guts tells them to go home and hunt your own public land....but....the amount of money they had to spend in my neighborhood...good luck
@kfiz9502
10 ай бұрын
How is hunting over a bait pile any different than hunting over a food plot?
@HUNTRPOD
10 ай бұрын
If you have to ask you’ll never get it. That’s like saying what’s the difference between growing lettuce in a garden or buying it at WalMart
@kfiz9502
10 ай бұрын
The food plot and bait pile are there for the same purpose and that is to attract deer. They are no different.
@CjSmith-n9v
9 ай бұрын
Hunting over bait is just as exciting as hunting over a food plot. The two methods are both baiting deer in
@Dke5023
8 ай бұрын
how different the hunting landscape might be had matt been the charismatic outspoken one of the Rinella brothers.
@HoldingRacks.ALLofEM
8 ай бұрын
Harsh reality in many places is that the hunting industry is going to take a hit with the booming construction that is taking place across the country. Yes most of it is centered around growing cities, but I have personally witnessed thousands and thousands of acres that “good ole boys” hunted turn into subdivisions. Where a handshake and a be careful made the deal to hunt. With the loss of land, of course leases are going to be more frequent when you have 25 people asking you to hunt. So for people that can’t find access to land, a lot of which give up, The Hunting Public has shed some light on the opportunities that are still affordable and available to the average hunter. So we don’t want to encourage new hunters to give it a try because my grandad, great uncle, and cousins have hunted this “Public spot” for 10 years, but want to bash leasing? Steve Rinella is way better.
@RobertWilliams82-22
Жыл бұрын
And farm the farmer getting grant money and such, a majority of farmer would shut down and go out of business if it wasn’t for the assistance of the government… a rough estimate, if half the farmers shut down then your either have half the food being produced or less less farmer farming more property and cornering the market … both scenarios will significantly increase the cost of the food for the general public….
@YuriGoofov
8 ай бұрын
Cutting off the wildlife to what they KNOW due to hunting pressure is a safe section of land.
@bushtruck
11 ай бұрын
This same story is echoed across many hobbies and pass times. The technology is ruining a lot of things and its just the beginning. We were warned.
@mtndeer
11 ай бұрын
All you fellas attracted your situations. It’s a non issue when your self development is your goal.
@willvanceoutdoors614
8 ай бұрын
Yall, big brother will never show us where our hard earned dollars are going. The states arent much better either, the states should definitley be leasing millions of more acres than they are currently. The deep south is the worst with all the coal mines, US Steel, and the paper companies owning millions of acres. Then the bordering private land owners to public take great lengths to prevent acces to half of the public land here inMS for sure and im sure many other states. Also the deep souths 90 day gun seasons ruin your chances 1 to 2 months before the rut is even happening its egregious.
@furmanwheeler3860
5 ай бұрын
Animals usually thrive in areas based off their location, if they can be somewhere where the fat hunter can't reach they'll survive. That midwest/eastern hunting might as well be easter egg hunting. Everyone who wants to put wild meat in their fridge should have to get off their ass and walk and go see where them animals are moving. Hunting is not hunting if all you have to do is ask someone who's been scouting the area for decades to take you and then shoot something your first time around. Hunting is supposed to be failure and and just some type of agony to get what you need not what you want. You shouldn't be sitting around in a blind all day or tree stand just baiting animals. Hunting this land the whole Turtle Island used to be abundant in game, cause the people before the europeans hunted for what they needed and used every last piece of that animal for some purpose. Now there are so many people hunting who don't love the animals and don't love the meat and respect the land we are all lost, hunters included. You have regulations on hunting because of the proof of what the average European hunter is capable of. Killing millions of game everywhere for their own benefit. Still happening, Native Americans are limited to their own piece of land they can hunt because they were forced to be on that land. Americans are now fighting for places to hunt because of the same reason as the past too many hunters/killers and tearing through the land like it's there's. The land is nobody's if anything the land is there's (The Wild Game), and we think they are ours but we are taking their lives and their livelihood. Directing them to their own demise, if the number of wild game declines it's because of hunters. Animals die from sickness and weather conditions all the time. That's what we can't stop, you buy land to hunt it because that's where the animals are. Well damn the animals are probably their cause you are hunting everything else around it. It's simple to me go hunt in a different country or just don't hunt. The first Treaty that most Native Tribes signed required them to learn education and then learn how to farm their own little piece of land cause they were tired of all the Natives running all over the place chasing game like wanderers. Now Americans do it and we are trying to protect them? If you live in a state with shitty hunting regulations that's the result of your ancestors and how they hunted out the land. If you live in a state where hunting is good and can still sustain most of the people within the state. It just means your ancestors did a little better, hopefully you can carry that on and keep the people out who don't care about your state as much as you do.
@johngoodell2775
10 ай бұрын
Matt seems to be blaming hunting media and hunting orgs for trends created by MUCH bigger macro-economic conditions and the online media revolution across all sectors. Everything down to the most obscure topic like mods for skidoo sleds have their own world of online content. So the explosion of online information on hunting tracks with all sectors. Since Americans left their rural roots and moved to the cities, farms were conglomerated into corporations and then prime rural lands became the playground of the urban wealthy. Rural America itself declined, and long with it, the ease of permission declined . I agree hunting media has increased this pressure but its just part. Landowners who would love to still give free permission are still going make decisions around their best economic interests. You can't convince landowners to look out for hunters based on pure altruism. Kudos to Matt about what he is doing in Miles City but this isnt going to stem the tide without system legislative change. We need tangible wildlife management legislation to fund more on the ground outcomes for more wildlife and land purchases. THe Recovering Americas Wildlife Act is a great example.
@whitetailrealityoutdoors958
11 ай бұрын
That’s crap !!! THP can afford to lease land to hunt. They don’t have to hunt and cause over crowding on public land.
@bobbender2788
10 ай бұрын
My take is what makes these guys so elite that they don't want others to enjoy the same freedoms and access to hunt? I myself have hunted since age 12 and gave up hunting at age 53 for personal reasons. Anyone in America has the same right to hunt.
@peedipperaycoth9941
Жыл бұрын
When you live in a state with fewer deer numbers. I feel like you need to have the ability to capitalize when you only have one or two chances a year to kill a big buck.
@HUNTRPOD
Жыл бұрын
No doubt man
@tbjtbj4786
7 ай бұрын
I think yall are missing a big point especially him bringing up sice the 80's. I don't think its so much hunting shows. I think its trophy hunting that really kilcked in in the 80's and that seems when the big lease started. I a old fashioned hunter i don't trophy hunt. I hunt to put meat in tge freezer. I have given most of my antlers and tusk that i have kept to nephews or other kids. I normally don't bother witn keeping antlers unless i want to make knife handles or something else out of them. I will normally leave them in trees for squirrel's. I know some hunters that don't even eat deer they just want antlers. Its trophy hunting thats the problem. You really want to cut back on hunter numbers and drop lease prices. Make it where you leave the antlers and skull in the wood's
@HUNTRPOD
7 ай бұрын
For sure is overkill at times on antlers, but I also look at them daily and brings back amazing memories with friends and family. I don’t think that’s the root cause or solve. Ultimately leases were not nearly as much of an issue before technological advancements. Online leasing sites and cell cams to name a few
@tbjtbj4786
7 ай бұрын
@@HUNTRPODi don't know how you can say that or its different all over the country. The big timber holding in fl and ga have been leasing out since the 60's at least. For dog hunting clubs. Then in the 70's and 80's all most all the farms started and that was the time tree stand hunting and the start of trophy management came in. And the lease went from a buck a acer to 10. I have no idea what it is now. Back then it seemed the hunting was more about family and friends and socializing. Most anters were nail to a barn , post or the old hunting club its self. Very few here bothered to take them home. And it had to be a very impressive set to consider mounting. Imdo agree that looking at the trophy can bring back memories. But yall seem to want less people hunting and less land leasing. Taking away the trophy would probably be the quick way to do that. It would definitely take out the trophy only people that don't even eat what they kill. Social media may be bad thats where the idea of i need a bigger what ever than you have. No trophy no need to get a bigger one. I really think its the trophy more than the show. I for one would rather watch a show were a new hunter or a kid takes a doe or a basket 6 than a trophy. You have a better chance getting the trophy left in the woods than you do me opening my farm up to people I don't know to hunt it. Around here theres been to much trash, to many gates left open, to many tractors, equipment, cows and horses shot to just let anyone on . And its not new its been like that since the late 80's. Its easier to lease it out and have the club deal with it and police there members. I use my place for family and a few friends to hunt. And that not all ways easy to manage either.
@kendrickhochstetler8015
Жыл бұрын
Public Land- it is just as much yours as it is mine. I grew up hunting public land with my grandpa- for years I wondered if there were even deer in the woods. While hearing shots in the distance I couldn’t help but think that I’d never get a deer. I thought that until I did in fact kill my first deer. At that moment overwhelmed with emotion I knew I would never stop hunting. All that to say, why complain about the grind. That’s what makes it hunting!!! You said it yourself as far as baiting and crossbows-you don’t like it because it makes it easier. HUNTING PUBLIC LAND IS HARD- for many reasons. But I’m not going to stop hunting just because it’s inconvenient, and I’ll happily promote my favorite hobby to anybody who’s willing to embrace the suck, and the journey of hunting.
@HUNTRPOD
Жыл бұрын
Great stuff
@ct5465
Жыл бұрын
He’s 100% right and it’ll only get worse until hunting is dead. Same thing that big corporations are doing to fishing. Humans have proven to be too stupid and greedy to stop their own demise
@travisshuttleworth630
Жыл бұрын
Took me awhile to warm up to this guy, but I'm grateful for this conversation. Imo the worst thing social media did to the average hunter is the perceived pressure felt from your peers. " I want to shoot that buck but I'll get made fun of because it's not big" or "I want to give this buck another year, but if I don't kill a buck this year everyone will think I'm a bad hunter". Comparison is the thief of joy
@HUNTRPOD
Жыл бұрын
Absolutely man! Spot on
@tylerjordan9041
Жыл бұрын
You’re spot on with this take
@jz3318
Жыл бұрын
I always get two tags. One for a doe and one for a buck. I've never filled my tag I save for a buck but every year I get a medium sized doe for the best venison. I get made fun of for shooting "small does" but I put meat in the freezer.
@travisshuttleworth630
Жыл бұрын
@@jz3318 no shame in that whatsoever!
@pilsenoutdoors3721
Жыл бұрын
the cool thing about social media is you control what's in your face. You don't have to follow tons of hunting instagram accounts for example. Just use it as a tool that makes you the most happy, productive and move on. Giving myself permission to live that way has been fantastic. I can still look up technical videos when I want and skip all the drama when that's in the way.
@jfquest6828
Жыл бұрын
Is there a different lottery for tag drawing for regular hunters vs 'influencers'? Seems like a lot of them get tags in all the desirable areas....
@dylanwertz9465
Жыл бұрын
What’s the difference between THP and Meat Eater? His brother glorifies and promotes hunting on Netflix! Love the Rinella’s I just don’t see how taking Luke Combs on an antelope hunt differs from what THP is doing.
@HUNTRPOD
Жыл бұрын
Agree
@mitchborneman6926
Жыл бұрын
I remember listening to Steve on a JR podcast and he was explaining his brother's point of view. Joe was shocked to hear it but Steve was explaining that Matt doesn't like Steve doing the show because it promotes hunting, and wished Steve would have just stuck to being an author for the outdoors. Taking a picture or video and showing someone makes it so people have no creativity in the outdoors and they don't truly see the beauty in the grind of hunting.
@robertjoyce3445
Жыл бұрын
Matt's whole argument is a selfish one. He doesn't like other people hunting because it creates less opportunities for himself! He's and asshole plain and simple.
@Alberta_MTN_Bear
Жыл бұрын
This is exactly why I eliminated my instagram and Facebook. I have been hunting since I was 4 years old and I have found myself when I had those stupid platforms posting things not because I “LOVED” it and loved to share it but because I wanted that pat on the back. I’m glad I’ve changed my mindset and decided to hunt for my own benefit. Love Matt Rinella’s point of view
@jacobwynn9555
10 ай бұрын
I did the same thing. It's completely changed my hunting and I'm doing it for the pure joy of it. I've rediscovered my love for hunting.
@509CCB
10 ай бұрын
I did the same. 100% agree
@ryanburget4434
10 ай бұрын
I agree with Matt one of Steve’s early shows about hunting prong horn in Wyoming completely ruined an area I hunt I haven’t been able to draw a tag for years !
@johnny_fins
Жыл бұрын
he's 100% right about social media, tv shows, and the hunting public guys specifically. they're not bad guys and in their mind, doing it for the right reasons. but the negative impact social media has on hunting is multi faceted. all of those impacts FAR exceed crossbows, longer seasons, etc. not even close
@HUNTRPOD
Жыл бұрын
I still think the THP stuff is a miss. Those guys are trying to bring the fun back into hunting which has been pushed to guys killing big bucks and saying “Not my biggest…” before telling us anything about the HUNT
@johnny_fins
Жыл бұрын
@@HUNTRPODyou're thinking about this backwards. THP is NOT producing a culture that is "not my biggest but". if we're going to give them credit, it's the exact opposite from those guys. Matt is essentially saying that access, tags, values and opportunity is negatively impacted by social media- more so because it's cool (recruitment) rather than longer seasons or crossbows, etc. this goes back to his argument about recruiting. recruiting ties into the money and the people who generate an income from more hunters. it's a finite resource and THP is recruiting thousands of people with every video. this impacts tags, land prices, access, etc
@HUNTRPOD
Жыл бұрын
Are they??? I mean most the people I know watching THP are lifelong hunters. Not newbies who think hunting is cool, I would say that’s more of a Rogan effect
@johnny_fins
Жыл бұрын
you'd be shocked at the amount of newbies turkey hunting on public since 2020 and since THP popped. i've had people come up to me at gas stations in central maine and say they're from alabama, they saw THP up here so they thought they'd give it a shot. different dynamic with deer and turkey. maybe they're having a more negative on turkey. but i don't think matt's wrong
@joshdinges7946
10 ай бұрын
you guys are out of touch here. There are masses of hunters that would never even think about hunting public that have now made it into their identity. Look on youtube at the amount of hunting videos that now incorporate the phrase "public." I love your guys podcast but if you honestly think THP has had a net positive on hunting I think you need to take another look. How many "influencers" do you see nowadays hunting "public" and trying to make a living out of exploiting public lands. If you compare that to the amount of channels prior THP it's not even close.@@HUNTRPOD
@ryderwuest4039
Жыл бұрын
This is the most important podcast about hunting I’ve heard in years. There are people with profit incentive that do not care about you or the animals. They will lie to your face and say they do.
@Outdoorted21
11 ай бұрын
“Hunting media, reduces access.” Bingo! I’d stand behind MATT Rinella👍🏽👍🏽
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