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@cjsonofdj6228
Ай бұрын
Hey man, just wanna say your accent is your accent and you don't sound pretentious or snobby just for speaking. Good ass video btw.
@TheReginaldBarris
Ай бұрын
If I were Donald Glover...the last thing I woukd ever want to watch...is an hour long video essay about my racial identity 😅
@topcatmatt
Ай бұрын
Like to day FD Signifier was joking- the guy in on the joke bottom right *had that hairline*
@brainsick9531
Ай бұрын
Now a days anime is cool when ppl use to get made fun of for watching which is crazy
@The_Gallowglass
Ай бұрын
A lot of people like to get under other people's skin. Even if they're not racist or sexist or homophobic, they might find what bothers you the most and talk sh-t. I've done it. My friends have done it. Family.
@blatantlyalana4735
Ай бұрын
As an African American woman who grew up very much like Donald Glover the label of black affects everything! From who will be friends with you to who will enter romantic relationships with you. Not knowing how each person defined my blackness but each time having it be the wrong type of blackness for them. It still continues to this day!
@LaytonObserves
Ай бұрын
Mmm. I get that. I've reached a point where I don't consider placating to people for acceptance. For lack of a better word, you vibe with who you vibe with - regardless of immutable characteristics.
@nickleby77
Ай бұрын
@@LaytonObserves Robert Kegan would argue that this shows you have moved on in your development and are now mature enough for Self Authoring.
@Jesei1211
Ай бұрын
What’s this even mean?
@JR-em3mo
Ай бұрын
I relate hard im Mexican American but we all come in different shades. To each sides I'm not one of them and I see this now with my neice who is dark skinned with curly hair and is more welcomed by the black community than the Mexican community since she also doesn't speak Spanish and was raised in FL.
@Godzooky
Ай бұрын
Opposite. There was never any question of my blackness. Even when I was growing up with different interests from my peers I was still in the hood so there was never a question.
@anihubbard
Ай бұрын
I’m black & tired of dealing with this shit. It’s all about people’s thinking. Fuck, just let me be me. An individual.
@TheOfficialMorningSonder
Ай бұрын
Fr tho 💔
@MisunderstoodPupil
Ай бұрын
I felt this ❤
@EnjolaeRedmond
Ай бұрын
This is America, not black enough... too black, black on black crime.... oh I don't consider you black..... it'll get you down... but stay up. We got this.
@re9724
Ай бұрын
It's something you have to claim for yourself and guard (your right to be a free-thinking individual) and f*** what anybody else says about it; especially, if it goes against the grain of how they think you are supposed to be. Once you allow yourself to be labelled, you're limited. People will project on you all they believe that label entails, good or bad. It's not your problem, it's about them and their perceptions. You're here to grow and evolve by your own standards, not someone else's. Don't let anyone put you in a limiting box unless you want to be there.
@the_cosmic_mama
Ай бұрын
It’s too much talking about this. A whole world of things to learn in the world.
@celestialnubian
Ай бұрын
Also, let's be clear. Pharrell did all of this over a decade before Donald, Tyler, Drake, Cudi, Kanye and even Lupe. Haters couldn't talk sh|t about him because he was making hits for all your favorite artists.
@RebelWithoutABoss
Ай бұрын
Pharrell actually embraced his Black American culture in a way that Donald still doesn't. Donald, like Drake, only uses it to make money.
@RadioKnive
Ай бұрын
I don’t think anyone’s claiming he didn’t do it first. NERD is the blueprint for all the artists you mentioned
@gabriellewrren
Ай бұрын
And Outkast and the Jungle Brothers did it before them 😬… a long lineage of being outside the box
@abiola33
Ай бұрын
@@RadioKniveThis!
@abiola33
Ай бұрын
@@gabriellewrrenThis too!
@TheZeroDestroyer
Ай бұрын
Piccolo and Knuckles are black and I stand on it.
@almac5446
Ай бұрын
Okay. you want Star
@robinthrush9672
Ай бұрын
Piccolo is a Yoshi, clearly.
@V4Now
Ай бұрын
Stand on business. We've been saying Knuckles waa black since his creation!😂
@sepulcher8263
Ай бұрын
I mean knuckles was Jamaican influenced and supposed to be called dredz.
@almac5446
Ай бұрын
@@sepulcher8263 that is also true and he was going to be a brand deal between Nike and Sega but that didn't go through so he became an actual character and also he is inspired by Mayan culture as well
@blankspace6799
Ай бұрын
I don’t blame him for his earlier perception because he was being himself and everyone was telling him that being himself isn’t correct
@The_Gallowglass
Ай бұрын
He should just be himself (which is half and half) and ignore the ignorant mfers. The cool people will stick to you for being genuine.
@blinggzillatv
Ай бұрын
@@The_Gallowglassbut he’s not half and half
@nf3982
Ай бұрын
I am a Black woman that has never questioned my “blackness”. I had a purple Mohawk in the 80’s. The style because I was a punk and purple because I loved Prince. lol. If you’re questioning someone’s Blackness, you’re a weirdo.
@Chill-mm4pn
3 күн бұрын
Exactly sis, I'm a goth probably the only black man going to shows where Darkwave and Goth Rock is played. Never questioned my "blackness" either. Other people did and living in the rural south it was usually white folks. Especially if they're redneck.
@brenandemossita1000
Ай бұрын
As for me, i've always considered him black cause he is black, but he was different, but there are a lot of people like him and black people are not a monolith
@crssver4435
Ай бұрын
THIS ⬆️
@jakestroll6518
Ай бұрын
The problem with this discussion is people like yourself not understanding that “black” has come to mean two things. The first is skin color which he always was. The second is culture. And no this isn’t with regard to nerdiness, Barrack Obama was nerdy and considered black. It’s about whether you embrace your blackness or pander to whiteness! I’d argue that not until Atlanta did we see Donald Glover do so. And sadly we continue to see him create art that devalues black women, I’m sure someone on this app has made videos about this, it’s an undeniable trend with him. While I think Dr Umar goes too far, he is correct that some black dudes try to purchase their way out of blackness by turning to non-black women and even worse, putting out media that makes life worse for our sisters.
@nickjones5495
Ай бұрын
Also Donald Glover is with a non-black woman right now because he's said he doesn't fw black women .... @@jakestroll6518
@qazwsx014jsbd8
Ай бұрын
@@jakestroll6518what qualifies as embracing blackness or pandering to whiteness? What did Donald glover do to 'pander to whiteness'?
@frequentiis
4 күн бұрын
@@jakestroll6518 BLM puppet sighted
@husshodi
Ай бұрын
In my 40 plus years of life as a black man I learned your blackness will become clear when interacting with law enforcement job recruiters and random Karens...
@MegaDiva1999
Ай бұрын
This comment sums it up clearly
@Jesei1211
Ай бұрын
To you, probably lmao…
@shawnmartian
Ай бұрын
exactly especially in prison
@StarLight-wq6gs
Ай бұрын
So you think da man and dem raycist but I bet you also date white😂. This is always the case.
@jnnx
Ай бұрын
Thanks Dane Cook superfan!
@LolcowAdmirer
Ай бұрын
I can see why he hates drake, essentially a black mimic
@Jesei1211
Ай бұрын
Gay
@Hellxvixlett
Ай бұрын
Adult actor “the boy”
@TheOsiruss
Ай бұрын
He is not a black mimic lol he’s far more talented and still acts to this day
@mallardofmodernia8092
Ай бұрын
@@user-ro8ru4wz2ogiven that Donald has dissed Drake now its topical
@sportel4644
Ай бұрын
Yessss@@Hellxvixlett
@pastense
Ай бұрын
Biggest difference between eccentric black folks like the Donald’s/Tyler’s and Drake is that they’re fully self aware of their identity and don’t try to exude any kind of false identity. Yeah, they can code switch for appropriate situations, but they are still genuine. Drake seems to be fully UNaware of his own identity and how he believes he should present himself to the world. And the minute he gets called out on it, his sensitivity takes over making him even more blinded. Sad. I dig Drake. I just wish he’d be a little more self-aware of himself.
@jarenfromvenus
Ай бұрын
Have you ever been to Memphis? Why you think he makes videos here? He grew up here too. Y'all are just colorist and hating. Looking for any angle to sprout your unsolicited and unwanted opinion. Memphis harder than Cali. Period. Clothes are not an identity it's an expression and no you may not gatekeep expression because of a person's heritage or upbringing that you clearly know nothing about.
@pastense
Ай бұрын
@@jarenfromvenus lol…he makes videos there cuz his DAD’s from there. Not him. Memphis isn’t his identity. He fux with more artists in Atlanta than anywhere else. Atlanta ain’t his identity. He tried to live in Cali, again not his identity, and now he’s bout to get blackballed from there. Nobody in Toronto is really messin with him. He did that to himself. Now he got nowhere to go. And who said anything about color or clothes? The video did, I didn’t. I’m talking about identity. Maybe you and the rest of his existing fans can help him.
@jarenfromvenus
Ай бұрын
@@pastense Bruh I’m not about to argue with you. You don’t know what a dual citizen is? People do grow up in two places. You can look that shit up right now he grew up in both. Whicho hatin ass.
@jamayil11
Ай бұрын
Memphis is a water drop in a bucket compared to all of Cali.
@pastense
Ай бұрын
@@jamayil11 I’m from Cali…but Memphis is no slack my dude. They got the history of the whole Stax catalog. That’s way more than a “drop”
@poelogan
Ай бұрын
Drake is 30% black and got his black card before Donald which objectively is kinda funny.
@LaytonObserves
Ай бұрын
lol
@YoungGameChanger23
Ай бұрын
I know you don’t like Drake but let’s be factual correct. Drake 50% black around the world and in America hed be considered Black
@m.i.action8148
Ай бұрын
I don’t know about. He’s mostly black to anyone not in the African American community.
@ItsMe-sg5ow
Ай бұрын
Did Kendrick leak his 23andme?
@LordSpinduh
Ай бұрын
@@YoungGameChanger23Drake has a mixed father and a milk white mother
@Rocinante808
Ай бұрын
Good vid! Glover’s a perfect example of how anyone who is a bit different is told he got to be gay or crazy. So much of the white / blackness trope always has been the most trivial aspects of us.
@sussvarman
Ай бұрын
babe wake up layton observed something
@LaytonObserves
Ай бұрын
lmao, good to see you, Varman [bows in Japanese[
@sussvarman
Ай бұрын
@@LaytonObserves just finished watching, absolutely amazing work. 🙌🏾
@BettyAlexandriaPride
Ай бұрын
This is such a wholesome interaction.
@sussvarman
6 күн бұрын
@@BettyAlexandriaPride i had the absolute pleasure of watching laytons work over the last like 6 years and the evolution has been nothing short of astounding. edit: it's actually been like 11 years. ive since aged like baby spinach (rotted)
@ChocolateTruffle98
Ай бұрын
Speaking to the examples of FD talking about the hairlines, and kids race swapping cartoons are a taken a bit too seriously. Black people say a lot in jest and being half serious. Lots of it is inside jokes turned memes etc. I do think there is something to be said about how our culture of making everything jokes has been used to peer pressure people. However I believe the content creators in your examples are aware that they are playing on stereotypes, while the kids bullying Donald at school were not that self aware😂.
@kaylamoore6936
Ай бұрын
I agree, and I also don't think that kind of humor, peer pressure, or bullying is limited to Black Americans, but ours is portrayed in media more. I might just be biased because I am Black American though.
@erevgd
Ай бұрын
They are jokes but that kind of sentiment is definitely used to isolate and ostracize other black folk. Whether they are meant to or not.
@EdTheCrimson
Ай бұрын
Exactly. F.D. and them were making jokes in jest about black men that not only date white women, but take every opportunity to put down black women while doing it. There's nothing inherently wrong with dating outside of your race, but using it as an excuse to put down black women makes you a target for jokes and becoming a meme. (And a trash person)
@kahlilbt
Ай бұрын
I'm black but my mom is white. Both my parents/families raised me as Black, around black people. I've never truly honestly had my Blackness questioned in real life. Not further than any black person can get their black card checked for liking scrabble or eating quinoa. It's all in jest. Good or bad, it's what we do, and it happens to most black people lol. I could never identify to heavily with CG or Drake because so much of their narrative was about proving they were black to black people and then negging us for not feeling accepted. Idk bro. I'm a lightskin biracial gay nerd and I got in 🤷🏽♂️ lol it's not my story.
@malum9478
Ай бұрын
@@kahlilbt well that's the thing though: you were raised around your people, so your blackcrystalization happened early and informed who you were immediately. this is what black people need to do if they want their kids to turn out okay with their identity but a lot of people don't do it. a lot of upper class black folk don't take the steps to make sure their kids remain connected to the community, absorbing culture, seeing themselves in others around them. so they wind up growing up with only white and asian people and people wonder why they don't feel comfortable around black folk. that said, neither donald nor drake have ever "negged" the black community for not feeling accepted, they simply talked about their struggles with that, which i think is perfectly fine and reasonable.
@CesarLopez-rs1vg
Ай бұрын
What’s wild is like Donald says, on the surface Peter Parker is “black” af😂; he’s a kid from Queens whose uncle got shot in front of him and he’s being raised by his aunty, with whom they struggle to make ends meet. Not to mention his parents essentially abandoned him.
@DawnstarUpThere
27 күн бұрын
It all makes sense now. 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@Link15269
Ай бұрын
Not in the mood to think up a comment of value, but I want to support your channel.
@LaytonObserves
Ай бұрын
I appreciate the support all the same 🙏🏽
@nickv1212
Ай бұрын
First! Does this count?
@kingcoheed1208
Ай бұрын
Thing I do disagree with is the miss understanding of "Black Coded" characters are noted as Black coded not because they are more black than black characters but have qualities similar to black people in worlds where there are no or very few visible Black Characters. Piccolo being black isn't to over ride or replace Donald's Blackness it's more about how to find characters and figures to relate to in pop culture when there are no one that looks like you
@kaylamoore6936
Ай бұрын
I agree, he lost me a bit there. Like I get that to him it doesn't make sense, they're fictional characters with no race. But that doesn't mean their characteristics aren't assumed to be culturally Black, which is obviously what happens. I think the collective agreement that the character has traits that are usually attributed, in media, to Black people, regardless of whether they actually are is still valid for representation's sake.
@Jesei1211
Ай бұрын
You’re assuming that those characteristics are exclusively black…they’re not. You’re like that guy who wrote the letter to Donald saying he can’t play Spider-Man because he’s black. And think about why you need characters to look like you to be able to like/relate to them in the first place, that screens egotistical narrow mindedness.
@jenayrenee2081
Ай бұрын
No, it doesn't. Especially when the title characters look like all my friends if I dress up as one I get a slieu of comments saying I can't be them because I'm black or it doesn't look right. But I'm sure u knew things like this happen. Because of course you wouldn't make an accusatory comment like this without ALLL of the evidentiary support available to you being taken into account. @@Jesei1211
@jonesyftw9120
Ай бұрын
@@Jesei1211 "think about why you need characters to look like you to be able to like/relate to them"....imagine not reading the comments you're posting to or knowing what the term "black coded" means....Piccolo is fucking GREEN and black people still relate you've lost it....even if he wasnt green non-white people have had to relate themselves to white people for decades now, stop being a dumbass
@lainiwakura1776
Ай бұрын
What part of Piccolo is considered black? I'd love to know.
@MrBazBake
Ай бұрын
I love this video, excellent work, and I really identified as someone who has been called Childish Gambino by their family for years...but an aside: C__onery is not a measure of blackness. It's an American reference to black people who hate black people and use their ability to tear down black people to elevate themselves with white people. Candace Owens is goofy. But Candace Owens is labeled a c__n because she calls black people drug addicts and defended the murder of George Floyd. Sometimes a racial term is a measure specifically of how much black people sabotage other black people, not how black they are. Also... FD Signifier has a video where he explains how important it is to normalize interracial dating in the black community. And he's not criticizing black men dating white women in that clip, he's criticizing black men who discriminate against women who aren't white. That's all, again, I subscribed and this is a brilliant video.
@unreadlibrarian
Ай бұрын
I thought similarly on this beforer, but you might want to look back into the details surround George's killing.
@devinco1
Ай бұрын
Agreed. When F.D. comments on how black women dating white women, he's fine and actually onboard with it. It's when black men date white women to the detriment of black *women* because at least here in the states, it isn't uncommon for some black men to act (and speak) like black women are beneath them; that dating and marrying white women is something to aspire to. I really enjoyed this video, and would encourage Layton to look at F.D.s video on the subject, and not just features to learn more of what I'm talking about. That absolutely needs to be something to remain mindful of.
@HammersOverStrikers
Ай бұрын
You’re definitely right on how the term c-n originated and how it *should* be used. But in my 40 years of living I’ve heard it more so used as a pejorative for “square”, less “scary” blacks who fit in with or are a lil more palatable for the white majority(but not necessarily trying to be) or blacks who are simply trying to climb up the socio-economical ladder and fit within those ranks. Can’t count how many times Ive heard other lackadaisical black co workers call our OTHER black co workers a c-n, simply for doing their job, possessing a professional demeanor, taking their job “too seriously”, etc…and not even in a “Yes, Massa” type of way. Just a way that anyone who takes their job seriously would do. Ive also seen that word projected on blacks who talk “white” or share conservative political views. None of those things come close to “🦝 ing” to me. I think alot of folks who use that word don’t understand the nuance of it.
@cristoffL
Ай бұрын
I didn’t know about the modern usage of that word thanks for clearing that up. This should get pinned at the top.
@leoako7775
Ай бұрын
the title "rich wigga, poor wigga" i thing refeers to the Jay Z song "the story of OG" and I feel like chorus of the song is pretty much the message Donald is trying to give : no matter the "type" of black person you are, you're still face struggle regarding this aspect of your identity
@leoako7775
Ай бұрын
EDIT : didnt see the part where you talked about "Story of OJ" in your video, but I believe my point stays relevent, The Donald glover episode has the same fatalist almost cynical tone to it as the Jay Z song. both the song and the episode are pointing out this status quo with a kind of despair.
@rantymcrant-pants9536
Ай бұрын
Gatekeeping being black. Wild...
@LaytonObserves
Ай бұрын
Crabs in a bucket mentality
@kingjoeblack5
Ай бұрын
Personally I hate when the Asians gatekeep being Asian. It’s not fair. They’re like crabs in a bucket…
@leisureandlace
Ай бұрын
Haha. Meanwhile nobody has an issue with whites gatekeeping whiteness (and they do). The dude isn't black - he is mixed race if that even means anything.
@WhyIsGhostInTheArena
Ай бұрын
You damn skippy
@Yo_Cami
Ай бұрын
When fictional none black characters get the card but a real person doesn't because they are or act "too white" 😅
@meepmoopmeep1
Ай бұрын
Atlanta is one of the best shows ever!
@LaytonObserves
Ай бұрын
With you there! I'm currently getting back into it.
@WkSplacc
Ай бұрын
i think growing up with the internet allowed us to observe other cultures and pull things we deemed valuable.
@CaptianBlackSwagger
Ай бұрын
Nah the internet just helped to remind us that we’ve had a hand in every cool or innovative thing in American culture and that we don’t have to confine or relegate ourselves to just rap, r&b, sneakers and sports.
@an0rmalp3rson70
Ай бұрын
@@CaptianBlackSwaggerhamburgers and Hotdogs are German. So you ain't create everything cool over there
@pet-purple-panda1634
Ай бұрын
Good video, but it feels like a bit of a missed point to say that all we got from the Donald4Spiderman campaign was him wearing the pajamas in community when Brian Michael Bendis (one of the writers that created the Miles Morales character) has stated on record that campaign was one of the main contributing factors to the character. Literally without Donald Glover we wouldn't have Miles Morales as we know him. I also feel that's why his second cameo in Into the Spiderverse is so significant because the Miles we know had his moment of tragedy in seeing his uncle Aaron, the prowler, die and Donald is cast as a "different prowler" but still playing the same character. The whole thing of Spider-man could be anybody has always been there, just now its the center of the story in some cases.
@falsicorgi813
Ай бұрын
Shadows not black though. He's a white, mid 2000s Lincoln Park kid
@LaytonObserves
Ай бұрын
lmao, the accuracy 😭 CRAAAAAAAAWLING INNNNNNNN MY SKINNNNNNNN
@Echo-nn8dt
Ай бұрын
He’s a white kid in a trench coat
@malum9478
Ай бұрын
nahh you take that shit somewhere else. shadow is absolutely an alt black dude with the tuffest hands on the block because he had to fight 🥷🏿's on the regular growing up and now he's cocky about it.
@MsBlackIntrovert
Ай бұрын
I noticed when discussions about blackness or “not feeling black enough” are spoken about , black men’s experience is heavily focused on. The way black women are expected to “act black” is different than black men’s , I find it interesting, how gender can change what “blackness” looks like.
@curvydva
Ай бұрын
Intersectionality be kicking people’s asses frfr
@Mike-ph2qf
Ай бұрын
In the past I’ve watched a decent amount of F.D. Signifier’s content and iirc he argues that there’s a certain group of black guys that exclusively date white women because of their disdain for black women. Men in this group tend to believe that black women are inherently aggressive, disagreeable, and masculine so they’ll come to the conclusion that it is better to date outside of the race. An implicit part of that belief is the prescriptive definition of being black outlined in this video. I believe f.d.’s point is that black guys that don’t date black women may not necessarily harbor this sentiment but it is indicative. That said, I do find the whole hairline thing kinda dubious and ironic af considering who is saying it.
@MontwizyAFK
Ай бұрын
The hairline thing is a meme in the community because it has symbolizes a reaction to black culture specifically barber shops and hair care. Also Ironic how? FD keeps his locs pretty well maintained.
@indigophoenixskies1030
Ай бұрын
I feel like a missing element is this is very American coded... we have many Black ethnicities and subcultures here... and yes... our "upper class" and non-stereotypical community members are ignored and underrepresented in media and art. I knew guys like him in high school in classes where the majority of us were black, Black, proud and high performing students. The first time I saw myself in media was when Issa Rae had her "Misadventures of an Awkward Black Girl" web series online in the 2010s... in my late 20s. I was called "white" bc of how I spoke... many elements are hundreds of years in the making- not new... our language and music and foods being the oldest... when we tell someone they are not Black, its usually because they espouse antiblack sentiments... and it's saying something specific that isn't and doesn't *need* to be understood by people who dont know or understand it. Nuance matters. I'm curious to know what this looks like in the UK...? Germany? Brazil? South America? And you miss the mark speaking on our culture(s)...
@loadishstone
Ай бұрын
THANK YOU
@curvydva
Ай бұрын
THIIIISSSSS. Being Black in America before the advent of the internet and social media was DIFFERENT and that’s precisely when Tyler the Creator and Donald came of age. There were so many questionable takes in this vid that are a direct result of his lack of knowledge and experience with Black Americans.
@THNKKY
Ай бұрын
Once I saw a black kid on a skateboard wearing an icp shirt. He was an inspiration.
@LaytonObserves
Ай бұрын
looooooool
@V4Now
Ай бұрын
That was you staring at me? Weirdo.😎
@V4Now
Ай бұрын
That was you staring at me? Weirdo.😎
@freedomandguns3231
Ай бұрын
Just makes me think of a friend of mine. His own family used to make fun of him ALL the time saying he is too white because he "talked white" and some.interests like music. Today the blackcent he puts on is so thick it makes me cringe with how inauthentic it is.
@LaytonObserves
Ай бұрын
Sounds like he took the Aaron route, lol (I just hope it feels authentic to him, as opposed to it being a persona)
@freedomandguns3231
Ай бұрын
@@LaytonObserves I hope so, but he really doesnt seem happy in general. Hopefully this isnt part of it, but I worry.
@analogbunny
Ай бұрын
You could swap out the word "black" for "gay", update the examples, and otherwise more or less preserve the whole script. My heart breaks for all those Little Richard/Sylvester/Stromaë types out there who get double dipped
@Renfair333
Ай бұрын
Same thing with gender identity. “Oh you don’t like dresses? That must mean you’re not fully/at all female”. Um… what? As Layton so beautifully put it, let’s “expand the circumference” of what an identity marker can include.
@analogbunny
Ай бұрын
@Renfair333 You mean re-expand it, surely. Masculinity, femininity, "blackness", and a ton of other social institutions were questioned and shaken up in the 70s and 80s. By modern standards, David Lee Roth and Alice Cooper were trans, and Whitney Houston wasn't sufficiently black enough. I'm not sure why it didn't all stick. Did the Boomers fix it only for GenX to ruin it? Was it fine when it was playful, but when shirking social norms became an identity and identity became political we undid all that playfulness?
@johnindigo5477
Ай бұрын
I'm gay and how do you mean?
@analogbunny
Ай бұрын
@@johnindigo5477 You've never once been told you're not properly gay for not liking a certain thing enough or having the correct interests or voting the correct way or dressing the correct way or... what-have-you? There are massive pressures in gay spaces to conform.
@blackjackjester
Ай бұрын
I dunno...i think there is a huge swath of 80s and 90s stars that predate any of this Morgan Freeman Bill Dee Williams Carl Weathers Idris Elba Denzel Washington They werent the Renaissance men that Donald is...but I feel saying popular figures that transcended "black coded"
@MrSipho1
Ай бұрын
I think the ones you mentioned are more grounded where as Donald was more nerdy/anxious and also being in the rap world exposes that side of him to a lot of criticism. Also I think Denzel is very black like barbershop uncle black 😂
@zaofactor
Ай бұрын
@MrSipho1 The funny thing is when you look at Denzel, he is a theatre man. Now when you think about black culture theatre and drama class don't come to mind.
@freddie5ive
Ай бұрын
donald didn't transcend it though. he fell below it lol
@robinthrush9672
Ай бұрын
@@MrSipho1 Hasn't Denzel been very critical of the sort of behaviors and attitudes that apply "prescriptive black"?
@jamiemartin9322
Ай бұрын
As a mixed race person, I have definitely experienced not feeling Black enough, and having to "perform" my race, while still being othered my whole life by white people. The amount of people who've said to me "You're not really black though" either as an excluding statement, or sometimes even as a kinda backwards compliment, really clashes with the amount of times I've been called the n-word or profiled by police/security "Too black for the white kids, and too white for the blacks" - Earl Sweatshirt (edit- Just seen that you put Tyler quoting Earl in this video :D ) (Piccolo is Black though)
@seveninaroe9228
Ай бұрын
you saying the n word completely threw me off guard
@jenayrenee2081
Ай бұрын
Because whiteness and blackness are caste levels.... And race is a caste system... They're just trying to deny that 🙄🤧🥴
@yoyodre
Ай бұрын
Respectfully, I have to say your takeaway from those clips of Olay and Friends and Waving the Red Flag is bad faith. For one thing, the hairline thing should be goofy, considering it's a joke. But more importantly than that, a lot of what you're pontificating in this essay, for example ostracizing black people for having eclectic interests or dating interracially is bad, are views shared by the people you're criticizing. This is reflected both on the individual social media of those creators, their personal lives, and across various content they've created. In particular, I take issue with the misrepresentation of FD, Olay, Foreign, Conscious, Rebecca, & Gabrielle as pejoratively labeling people an Uncle Tom, or 🦝 simply for having a different opinion than "black people". This is invalid. The context is clear that those people they are referring to engage in antiblackness, which deserves absenting & scrutiny. The video you chopped up was about how the ruling against Affirmative Action will have negative, racist ramifications for black people in America. And Aba & Preach have been known to disparage & lie on black women, for jokes. They don't deserve the cover you're providing. Those creators you're downing speak often of how their views are not necessarily shared by a great many black people, nor are their audiences primarily black people despite the work they do for our communities. Your words will be weaponized against those people by bad actors looking to validate their biases against people who make that abolitionist content from a black lense. It's irresponsible. This is the first time my algorithm has recommended you. I very much liked your video and agreed with most of your observations, up until this tangent towards the end. You should consider reaching out to those creators directly because I suspect you have more in common with them than your edit implies.
@mcjcave18
Ай бұрын
Good point
@OdessaSenpai
Ай бұрын
Imo out of FD, Olay, Foreign, Conscious, Rebecca, & Gabrielle I am only familiar with FD but he falls into the trap of talking about people engaging in antiblackness but he himself then does the things this video highlights in the process from what I have seen in the past. "Aba & Preach have been known to disparage & lie on black women, for jokes." They joke on everyone they don't specifically go after black women they are comedians this isn't true.
@yoyodre
Ай бұрын
@@OdessaSenpai What do you mean by "does the things"? Are you saying FD is being antiblack by talking about people cooning? Cuz that doesn't make sense. I didn't say Aba & Preach specifically go after black women, but them mistreating other groups of people is not a defense for lying on and stereotyping black women under a very specific lense of misogynoir.
@charlestaylorco8713
Ай бұрын
@@OdessaSenpaiNot to say FD hasn’t had some bad takes, but what is some of the antiblackness you’re speaking of? And i can’t say I’m very versed on them, but whenever Aba & Preach would come up on my timeline they were constantly harping on black women, POC women, or trans women. Whether that was just to get engagement or what have you, they still participated in very anti-black and anti-social discussions that they profit off of those who wish to throw negativity on those communities
@OdessaSenpai
Ай бұрын
@charlestaylorco8713 aba and preaches latest video shows what I am talking about, being critical of black people doesn't equate to anti blackness it's just Having high standards for them. For FD I would really have to dig because this was a couple years ago when I realized the trend/talking points he would engage in and I unsubscribed from him.
@gamma9384
Ай бұрын
As someone who grew up connecting to Donald Glover, who was also called whitewashed, and still enjoys “white music" I agree that there is no way to "act black”. HOWEVER, in recent years, I have grown to realise some of Donald Glover’s questionable behaviours, (possibly stemming from his rejection from black women, which seems he still hasn't gotten over) such as his aggressive portrayals of darkskin women in Atlanta, being turned on by getting called the n-word by white girls and his love for “black girls of every culture” but not actual black girls (like wtf does that even mean). There's a line between not conforming to black stereotypes and having internalised racism. Idk about Donald but personally, I found more confidence and love for my blackness through loving the black women around me.
@heatherlee2047
Ай бұрын
+
@baileymonroe7747
Ай бұрын
In America “black” has two separate meanings, one denotes skin color, the other denotes culture. So if your parents are Nigerian or you grew up immersed in white suburban culture then if a person is commenting on you not being “black” that’s what they are saying. As hurtful as that is. You have the race but not the culture. I’m sure it’s the same for Nigerians raised in America that visit their parents home. Their family knows they are Nigerian but culturally… somethings different.
@beeisforbianca6616
Ай бұрын
same thing with Caribbean descendants , I got called a white woman because I talk with an Australian accent, everything black I was questioned about it or being told I have no clue on black subjects, which makes me even feel a guilt to claim my parents culture. I personally feel I don't belong anywhere but if I see this out loud around black people they will scream I am wrong and say I think I'm better than them 🙄
@grandsome1
Ай бұрын
@@beeisforbianca6616unless you rejected you parents culture there's no guilt in claiming it, and blackness is larger than "American blackness" , they don't have the monopoly of trauma from white supremacy and the slave trade and the culture that comes from that. On the contrary, a lot of American black culture comes from immigrants.
@QuentinKarentino
Ай бұрын
Some black people I've met have been pleasantly surprised at what I've listened to, drank, ate, i got fist bumped by a stranger for having a grape KA lmao
@dopeplanetwatcher4471
Ай бұрын
same
@LaytonObserves
Ай бұрын
lmfao, this is the most Black British coded comment yet. "Grape KA"
@QuentinKarentino
Ай бұрын
@@LaytonObserves It slaps so hard, what a beverage
@MrKingkz
Ай бұрын
@@QuentinKarentino That and Ting i love that drink but Grape KA on a hot day is the shit
@lucapeyrefitte6899
Ай бұрын
What is grape ka?
@robinthrush9672
Ай бұрын
One of the odd things about this "whiteness is blankness" is that it's VERY Western and, previously to the past 7-10 years, we'd call it "grey" or "staticky". It's "the background", but, since it race is such a hot button thing and always at the forefront of some people's mind, that's what they see and who are the predominant race in the West? White people. And "blackness" is about a specific sub-culture in the US, which would have a different label in other countries, so there's an implicit association because of who we see using "whiteness" to mean "the background culture". Then there are the naive people who think "white people have no culture" because they're so subsumed in it that they have become the embodiment of "not seeing the forest for the trees" (more aptly reversing trees and forest though).
@Dangerous_Leon
Ай бұрын
I know Donald Glover as a KZitemr in Derrick Comedy. He has come so far.
@LaytonObserves
Ай бұрын
I'm trying to be like him, fr, lol
@Dangerous_Leon
Ай бұрын
@@LaytonObserves You can be my spiderman.
@LaytonObserves
Ай бұрын
@@Dangerous_Leon Looool, maybe one day 👀
@gargeluy3035
Ай бұрын
I’ll never forget that episode of regular show he was in and everyone was goin crazy sayin “childish gambino” was in it and I go to google thinkin “WHO” and I was completely shocked to see the Derrick comedy guy 😅
@pSmurf954
Ай бұрын
Faaaaacts a lot of people don’t know that. Them videos in the early KZitem days were wiiiiiiiild lol
@BLKKING05
Ай бұрын
At 19, I've always struggled with my black identity, also growing up being near the only black kid In class. Gambino was a light for me, as well as Tyler the Creator. As a kid, there were times I was perceived as the "cool black guy" stereotype, which shattered expectations Because I'm black I knew how to rap and play basketball. I suck at basketball. I'm a dork, I wear loud patterned shirts and graphic tees. I don't know how to play cards at the cookout, I talk about movies and games. I listen to Metal and Emo. I'm black, but feel as though I "act white". Ever since graduating HS, this mindset went away little by, but still feel I don't fit In. Didn't help to see the flack Gambino got too for being "anti-black"
@Leebro4389
Ай бұрын
Interesting video. I appreciate a lot of your perspectives and how you presented your ideas especially as a black man growing up in the UK who wasn't into sole "black stuff". That being said I do believe that there is a value to gatekeeping "Blackness". I think that finding community within a group that shares your experience while living in an society where you are a "minority". The ability to control your cultural productions and who gets to participate and document the history of said productions. In these groups, people can find physical safety by having spaces where you can gather and express yourself freely. This isn’t to exclude those of us who are into comics (myself), like rock (which is a black cultural production) or any other number of things that may fall outside what it is to be black.
@nazareneoftheway3936
Ай бұрын
As a lightskin fully black dude who started in the suburbs and is now in the hood 😂 ive went through what aaron did, both my parents black, but i remember when my parents called me and my siblings "squares", and i was like "we were inner city kids, you guys went to pains stacking efforts to put us around these psuedo racist kids and teachers so we had to adapt." I got in trouble safe to say back then, but i can attest, this is just the a subsector of the age old "Nature vs. Nurture", I had a mix of early childhood black & late childhood white nurturing (culturally), but my nature is solidly black. So i can present myself as culturally "white" and code switch really good, give people my best "good boy" in order to get in the door, but my mind is always thinking culturally "black", it just is what it is, theyre both genuinely me, but you do realistically have to heighten certain aspects of yourself depending on your environment in order to effectively do what you need to do. Some hard core black traditionalist especially those in street culture, may see it as fake. But when has adapating to best utilize your environment ever been "fake"??? Humans have survived abd conquered the world doing this, they themselves utilize the hood, street and gang culture to do so, everyone is adapating by default whether they want to or not. Simply because i know how to traverse the spectrum freely without the confines of inner or outer conflict and social/peer pressure is to my advantage, and will only rub those incapable the wrong way, in my opinion anyway.
@StephenDeagle
Ай бұрын
White being "blankness" basically means the universality of whiteness has carried on into the progressive worldview. White stands for the "universal," the unambiguated default onto which any other race can be swapped in, while the reverse is disallowed, since the other races are merely "particular" identities. The same largely holds for "man" vs "woman", where man is universal and woman is particular. A man is the default (think "Mankind," Tolkien's the "Race of Men," etc.), and so a man can be swapped out for a woman unproblematically (women can take on typically male sexual roles, work roles, etc). But the reverse is generally untenable (a man swapping in for a woman at a daycare is not the same as a woman swapping roles with a CEO). The particular can stand in for the universal, but the universal can't stand in for the particular. Or, put differently, the alternative can stand in for the default/blank slate, but the default cannot stand in for the alternative.
@brianmeen2158
Ай бұрын
The terms ‘whiteness’ and ‘blackness’ are quite silly tbh ..
@denzelmassaley6163
Ай бұрын
"Spell Dante (or Dontae)" is the slickest question ever for a black trial
@LxgOutMane
Ай бұрын
Woulda said Donte tbh
@mowainwright73
Ай бұрын
I gotta save all your asses! "Dontay"
@denzelmassaley6163
Ай бұрын
@@mowainwright73 black names are an artwork
@trese2658
Ай бұрын
Let’s first acknowledge that America Black is a whole different thing on its own, especially black people that lives in the southern states. Gambino was born in Cali and his parents are from there but later moved to Georgia a southern state and they lived in Atlanta metro area which is one of the blackest places to be. And for the last 10 years are so, we are starting to realize that there are different ways of being black in America and the Childish Gambinos,the Tyler the Creators, the Kid Cudis & etc are what we now call “Alternative Black” the ones that participate in the non traditional/typical/ general/stereotypical things that black people participate in. But in the end they are still black in America. They still have black families, they know all of the black cultural traditions, language, and references internally, unlike Drake who don’t know and wasn’t around those cultures references. So yes he is BLACK.
@Fryedoreo
Ай бұрын
What made this episode amazing is that it represented figuratively what the plight of a black man who doesn’t culturally appeal to black culture will undergo. A council is always there evaluating and judging your “blackness”, a term forced upon us by the colonizer might I add. So Mr. Glover is among the many that had/has to go through being “black enough” for the council which is society, which can be black culture.
@QuinnieMae
Ай бұрын
The only racism my friends have ever discussed experiencing was from other black girls telling them they talked/acted/dressed "white". Listened to "white people" music. Just dumbasses.
@corydk4834
Ай бұрын
Yup, then he decided to be that council when it comes to his weird misogynoir with his black women.
@von.jazzaesthetic
Ай бұрын
I was captivated by your video about Donald Glover and his early struggles in finding where he fits in the ever evolving cultural universe of being Black In America. I have to be honest though, I will be 65 years old early next year, I was born and raised in Compton, California in the beginning of the early 1960's. I was Donald Glover before Donald Glover. And I'm the child of Black Parents. See, being in my 60's now I have come to the conclusion that there is nothing new under the Sun. I find it fascinating that the current generations of the past two decades are just amazed that it's just so surprising and compelling to find Black people like Donald Glover. But, I must make my comment about his life and mine very transparent, we both grew up in the United States Of America. And here in America, well it has been a struggle. I have endured, and have raised two sons and I am a grandfather. I've also learned that I am much more than the sum of my parts and I know Donald Glover has learned that as well.
@FridoRoseline
Ай бұрын
I did not expect this video to hit the core of my being so much. I resonate with so much that has been said, myself being a 'modern' Moroccan living in the Netherlands. It's crazy seeing this video, because it makes me realise that I'm not the only one going through these feelings and situations. Amazing video, dude
@understanding77
Ай бұрын
Being black complicates things when you want to be into “non black” interests or interests you don’t associate to black people, or generally just don’t have personality traits that one would associate with being black. you have to have people, your own people mind you, calling you “white” and then white people expecting you to exhibit the stereotypes of a black man when your true personality and the way you see yourself is different. It shouldn’t be such an issue but it is. It’s frustrating, black people are not a monolith, there are black people with the same traits as white people and that’s just how it is. The label of “black” is something you can’t change, and it births a frustrating existence and daily struggle
@crescentsoulja
Ай бұрын
im sorry , but knuckles and piccolo are black (we are not serious, its just a headcannon lmao)
@understanding77
Ай бұрын
A headcannon that we all universally agree with lol
@jnnx
Ай бұрын
Your mom gave great headcannon last night, TREBEK!
@kahlilbt
Ай бұрын
I'm serious lol jk
@zoeandall-b9769
Ай бұрын
I remember being a teenager in the caribbean, this whole US rhetoric about the definition of being black became pervasive. Men who had no interest in this or "wokeness" before all of a sudden wore dashikis and women who strightened their hair suddenly felt like they are "still paying dues to massa" and decided to grow afros. Then there was me, a mixed-race Trini who didn't feel like the pull to subscribe to any particular definition... I understand constantly how I am being perceived and after a while... I just didn't care. It takes too much energy man...
@kidtruck9157
Ай бұрын
Damn. I was 11 when the spiderman thing happened. I actually kind of got into nerd stuff around the same time Miles Morales was coming about and genuinely liked him. I think what happened to him sounds horrible and is inexcusable. The debate about race swapping characters can be had without hostility and blaming a guy that has nothing to do with the hiring decision.
@mercaius
Ай бұрын
It can in proper communities, yeah, but it seems no drama goes by without the dregs of people reducing it to the lowest common denominator, ugliest attacks and accusations, regardless of race, sex, politics, or any other characteristic.
@brianmeen2158
Ай бұрын
@@mercaius. People are tribal and when you hyper focus on race in a society that has had intense racial hostility in its past - things will get ugly fast. I’m so discouraged at what the current race discussion looks like - we’ve went backwards
@jorje0068
Ай бұрын
@@brianmeen2158the way I see it, "being black" is policed from the inside, but it was definitely imposed from the outside. The people on top can't maintain what they have without a broken working class.
@freedomandguns3231
Ай бұрын
Miles Morales is a shame because of what Marvel has done with him. They cheapen his character with the Spiderverse thing (in my opinion) and they hurt him badly when they tokenize the crap out of him by making him an alt for like every superhero (on top of the push to outright replace Peter Parker rather than making an addition which started happening LATER in Miles' existence)
@SKEEBOFFICIAL7
Ай бұрын
@@freedomandguns3231 Miles was never meant to or being pushed to replace Peter and I don't really understand how the Spider-Verse cheapens his existence at all? The point of the Spider-Verse is just to show that anyone can be Spider-Man which is both why Miles exists and what Stan Lee explicitly wanted when he created Spider-Man. I think there's even a direct quote of him saying if he created Spider-Man in the modern day he probably would've been black or something else to represent how it doesn't really matter who is wearing the mask. I also don't really understand what you mean with the tokenization thing. Marvel has never really used Miles as just a diversity trophy or anything like they have with other characters (created after his success) outside of just having the character display pride in his identity as a half black, half Latino man. Miles at worst is written to be basically just race swapped Peter but usually he's just kind of a normal guy. I don't get why you're acting like Marvel treats the character terribly when (outside of the shitty games) Miles has basically been having a renaissance over the past six years while Peter is just forced to never grow or develop past the 2000s.
@whodatboi2567
Ай бұрын
Pretty good video. I do think there were parts of the video where you not seeing the other side of the limited how nuanced this discussion was but overall, you hit a lot of valid points.
@Naomi-sy9lp
Ай бұрын
Im sorry but is this layton guy black with straightened hair....? Or is that what his hair just looks like? Or is he indian...
@gargeluy3035
Ай бұрын
The hairline thing is kinda true though ngl lol. Not sure you’d understand every nuance of our culture from across the pond or care to understand such a niche observation whilst cosplaying Yuseke Urameshi
@dreamgood130
Ай бұрын
Yea I felt like he was on point for most of the video but the hairline and the piccolo stuff kinda undermined his message. I get the sense he thinks what Kendrick did to Drake on not like us was some negative form of black gatekeeping or something
@noaffiliation-x8w
Ай бұрын
Oh look, a black person doing exactly what he said in the video. “You don’t get it, you’re not black enough”. Did you just watch the entire video on mute lmao
@charlesluikart1799
Ай бұрын
@@dreamgood130I’m white and maybe dont have the perspective to understand but im interested on what your take of what Kendrick did to Drake is. I don’t necessarily have an opinion with him “revoking his black card” but I’d like to understand how it’s different than the problems portrayed in the video if you don’t mind explaining.
@unscriptedwithantonio
Ай бұрын
Am i black? I have so many questions.
@LaytonObserves
Ай бұрын
By the end of the video, you'll know the answer
@suezcontours6653
Ай бұрын
@@LaytonObserves You're not black. Why is this your business?
@MrKingkz
Ай бұрын
@@suezcontours6653 You sound stupid i would go read a book but something tells me you would struggle with that
@lightsout6292
Ай бұрын
@suezcontours6653 He's black, just not black American. Also, you're not black either by that logic ( you didn't perform blackness in your reply)
@natashka1982
Ай бұрын
If you didn't vote for Biden,or if you dont like rap and sneakers,you're not
@da1onlynickvicious
Ай бұрын
The guy in the episode of Atlanta reminds me of my son .his mom is black but he looks straight up Irish lol. Red hair and all . As a single dad who’s happens to be white with two mixed kids one who white passing and one who’s not this is super relevant to me.
@stephenpatterson2860
Ай бұрын
Watching this video made me realize that honestly, EVERY group gatekeeps being a member of that group. You can start from the broadest groups and go down; men gatekeep being men, women gatekeep being women, Black folks gatekeep being Black, Black MEN will gatekeep being Black men, LGBT folks will gatekeep being LGBT, Spider people will gatekeep being Spider people. Unfortunately, i think there are some groups who are affected far worse. Individuals can still be affected terribly regardless of group but i think some groups or minorities suffer as a whole far worse than others, and sadly that's oppression that comes from WITHIN, not without. I wonder if there is any hard, objective data on what affects people worse, oppression from outside the groups they identify with or oppression from within those groups.
@charlestaylorco8713
Ай бұрын
It’s definitely from with out in the situations of discrimination, because most of the time this gatekeeping of discriminated groups within is a form of trying to keep itself safe and give a place to be within the dominant oppressive society. No the forms of gatekeeping aren’t always pro-social and good for the community but in this example the fear of being “white” is the fear of losing customs and/or being infiltrated by the oppressive dominate culture in such as way that is detrimental to the black community(as has happened time and time again) And ofc kids (and even adults) don’t always fully understand that as they’re growing up, which leads to in-group, out-group bullying, which is something we must constantly work on throughout all communities.
@blackjackjester
Ай бұрын
Its absurd that people think "oh I need to act a little different in this situation or around these people" is somehow a uniquely black American thing. It's literally how all humans are wired to fit into a group.
@himuragoXD
Ай бұрын
Code switching is specific to the black community and uniquely so.
@blackjackjester
Ай бұрын
@@himuragoXDno it's not, it's an everyone thing. This is exactly what I'm talking about. Literally everybody code switches. Black people aren't special.
@snardigan2026
Ай бұрын
I think it's less that it's uniquely a black American thing and moreso that he's describing a common experience as it pertains to black people in America, Donald Glover specifically
@urgandma
Ай бұрын
@@himuragoXD That's moronic, you code switch with your parents, this group of friends, that group of friends, your romantic partner, your boss, your coworkers, etc. The only unique thing about black code switching is that you have to code switch amongst your own for fear of not being enough of your own.
@polyseed12
Ай бұрын
I think its different for black people because the default culture is white in America. Black people have to develop a second persona to interact with the general population. Black people have to interact with white America on a daily basis but white people rarely if ever have to interact with black people or black culture.
@joffrethegiant
Ай бұрын
Did you have to make us wait until 5:52 for the first "baby boy"? Come on, son!
@LaytonObserves
Ай бұрын
Loooool, sorry for edging you for so long
@dreamgood130
Ай бұрын
Be interesting to hear your perspective on the drake Kendrick beef and how Drake’s blackness or perceived lack thereof played a role. I agree with lots of what you said but also think there are some nuances that you may be missing out on due to not being raised in America possibly. I enjoyed the video tho !
@ztalk7828
Ай бұрын
I agree was thinking like I like this but there's definitely an influence American colonialism has across the world clearly lol but living under it in America me being from the south and the plantations my family were slaves on is now a tourist attraction in a very racist state in one of if not the most racist country in the world even supporting and funding a genocide of the Palestinians it definitely gives a special flavor to our struggle and perspectives in this system
@dreamgood130
Ай бұрын
Nah for sure, I think the distinction between “black” and American black is where a lot of people get lost. Like obviously someone from Somalia is “black” but they would have a tough time telling u about soul food and r&b lol. And sadly u see a lot of those cultures, even dark skinned ones, hating on black Americans and using racist narratives against them. It’s truly sad how divided this world has become bc of a European invention of race.
@moe3235
Ай бұрын
Profiteerism is inherently divisive, in every way profitable, and then some
@denirodarkqwerty
Ай бұрын
all cultures have internally prescribed ways of being. the way those are shaped are relative to the hegemonic cultures and the ways one culture relates to them. i think the intracultural policing of blackness is based more on what it means to be a certain flavor of non-white vs anything inherent to the culture or its constituents.
@mrfreddorenton
Ай бұрын
As a white boy, I have nothing to add except best wishes for everyone. Stay healthy and happy all.
@MisunderstoodPupil
Ай бұрын
Thank you 😊
@vulkanofnocturne
Ай бұрын
41:41 that song is a millionaire talking to his working class audience saying "ignore my money, I'm just like you! Honest >:) " It's not bleak it is cynical n sneaky
@edgecraftsman9658
Ай бұрын
I’m am not black, i am not an american.. But growing-up in eastern europe - this is really relatable. Thank to your essay - i finally realized why Donald’s art is so meaningful to me, thank you.
@MultipleCareers
Ай бұрын
Using the prescriptive or the descriptive way is not really a problem (although for practicality reasons, I believe the descriptive way is much easier and clearer!) The problem is the defensiveness, outrage, emotion that people have around the topic. Race is an interesting characteristic of human beings and I don't think we should shy away talking about it (especially in a curious way!), but in the end what matters is what's in someone's head, what they do, and how they treat other people. This was as always a super well-made and entertaining video! It helped me understand how much importance this topic has in the black community.-Yeah, I bet also in other groups, but perhaps I never really thought about it too much. I am of Chinese descent, with 3rd generation Chinese Indonesian parents. I was born up and grew up in Germany, spoke German as my first language (the only Asian in my class), but have lost fluency over the years as I moved to the States, Indonesia, Singapore, and now Canada. What race am I? I'm still Chinese, I bet a genetic test would prove that lol, though I don't speak the language and only follow its most basic customs. But that's never what made me feel like an outcast. If I ever felt like one, it's that I didn't fit in as a rather extreme introvert, and always felt a bit weird. Nothing to do with race :) Thanks for the video! It saved me from a frustrating afternoon of moving my video files haha
@LaytonObserves
Ай бұрын
Agree on descriptive being clearer. My only issue with the prescriptive way is that it's often rooted in stereotypes, then used to exclude people outside of the mould. Agree! The internal qualities of character are more important than the outer. Appreciate you sharing your backstory! And glad the video helped alleviate the annoyance of file moving, ha!
@SamadSaVage
Ай бұрын
I agreed with so many things you said here, but I still noticed such a difference between the black American experience and the black Australian experience, because although resonate with the frustration of people in my own race determining if I’m black enough, it’s nowhere near comparable to The entitled white Americans who have had anything to add to that conversation
@victorokeahialam8925
Ай бұрын
Was about to say I used to BMX with my 2 other black friends when we was young at Southbank skate park.
@LaytonObserves
Ай бұрын
I respect it
@Kasia_Luna
Ай бұрын
YAY!! New video. I can't wait to indulge for the next hour. I love his new album 😍 It's been on repeat the last few days.
@Kasia_Luna
Ай бұрын
ALSO, I LOVE your hair!
@LaytonObserves
Ай бұрын
Ha! Hope you enjoy :) I'm jealous. I've been so focused on getting this video out-- I can finally listen to Bando Stone now !! Will report back [salutes] Thank you! Had to trim the bird's nest eventually :')
@gamma9384
Ай бұрын
No hate but why don’t you wear your natural curls?
@ProfeE1990
Ай бұрын
How black people start a genre of music, then get ridiculed for listening to "said" genre. But with other ethic groups, they don't have this type of limiting behavior. That includes blacks outside of North America. Many Africans listen to all types of music. Only in America do we limit one another.😢
@ReySylvr
Ай бұрын
The reason for the self-policing of our communities are a protective trauma response. And while it's flawed, this guy's smugness about how dumb it is seems to ignore the real pain at the source of it. As a nerd/anime kid myself, I get resentment. But it's more complicated than the stereotypical black people just want us all in a box. Doesn't even engage with why that came to be in his hour long bitch fit. 🤷
@erevgd
Ай бұрын
Great video. There are some things that I think miss the mark a bit on how you reinforce your premise but your point still stands. Young black men are ostracized for growing up naturally in their environment for not being "black enough" from the other black people around them. This kind of stuff negatively effects these young black men and these young black men in turn make mistakes(like Donald has in his career), then those same black people will grow up and tell these men to "fix their baggage" while the anti-black otherizing remains unaddressed really. Tyler spoke on it pretty well in the clip you used. It otherizes and boxes us apart even further and can cause some mental anguish and the lack of grace to this experience is really saddening. Also, that take on Across The Spiderverse is strong. I couldn't put my finger on why that scene resonated so much for me until now.
@CarlMichaelson
Ай бұрын
I was riding with you until the FD take - that was hella uncharitable and taken completely out of context and will misconstrue how people would view FD. I was ready to like and sub to your channel up until that point when you either haven't seen more of FD's content or just blatantly don't know what you were trying to talk about. Showed your whole ass there, I fear.
@superdavewho
Күн бұрын
As a Black Haitian migrant that’s lived 99% of his life in America and was placed in higher education classes with 85% white kids. Being black is more than your skin, and your inheritance. It is undeniably a social construct much like Judaism. To be be black now doesn’t mean you were born with darker skin because there are many kids like Aaron who are light af and black within. Being black is a concept many people like this author will fail to grasp completely unless the are fully immersed in it’s experience. The final scene of Aaron looking at the camera isn’t a jest to him acting black.. that’s him looking at us saying “Come see me now n&$@@“ … iykyk😅
@lethokuhlemsimang2208
Ай бұрын
I think you are missing a more crucial point.
@Tyrin448
Ай бұрын
Which is ?
@srose1088
Ай бұрын
I think black coded and queer are a similar thought processes when it comes to storytelling. Culture is real, full of symbolism, and ever changing. "Coded" identifiers are not inherently wrong, I think of it as more of a "yes, and" situation. Also, when it comes to casting actors, I think it's the directors choice of what aspects about character they want to highlight. We all have many facets of ourselves, and those things transcend race. I think if you are more focused on Spiderman, looking black, that says a lot about how shallow your perceptions of people are.
@oliviah.4741
Ай бұрын
I’m from the south in America and bruh, hearing you say the N word with a British accent was cringe asf…I couldn’t concentrate on the point of the video.
@selalewis9189
Ай бұрын
I actually think it’s the opposite. I get a deep sense that Donald Glover loves black people and loves being black. He can at times be careless with how black women are portrayed, but for the most part he loves us. I think his ability to adapt be creative in different environments can be a bit intimidating to others, but he’s still a black man, flaws and all. I say that we should hold him close and give him grace. For a while a thought around saying that Donald Glover was doing what Jamie Foxx had been doing for years. Jamie was hosting the BET Awards and Donald was in the audience. He brought him up on stage to address the topic and the began riffing and dancing together. It was a really sweet moment.
@Kenrycosmos
Ай бұрын
If you have beliefs that are perpetuating white supremacy to the world then I do think that can be problematic. If you think racism doesn’t exist that’s fine for you. I liked the parts about the philosophy of whether or not blackness is a state of being or a performance. I love Donald Glover and his content appreciate your video best of luck
@IvellScarlett
Ай бұрын
Great video, but you getting all bothered that people claim picolo as black made me laugh. Bro, it's a meme. I'm pretty sure it's a running gag. „Oh, it's so crazy that they say Knuckles is black“ Yes, because it's a JOKE. People are out here talking about whether Picolo gets the n-word pass or not. Don't take it so seriously
@bluehornet632
Ай бұрын
As a biracial lighter dude than you, you are taking the frustration that the darker skinned black release TOO PERSONALLY. Also, dont relax your hair for more than a couple years, it WILL damage your scalp, thin your hair and make the texture chaotic as hell when your older and want a low effort natural hair style.
@noaffiliation-x8w
Ай бұрын
You sound exactly like the problem this video addressed.
@daniellecrews-ib9jk
Ай бұрын
Layton, I love this! As a 40yo+ black, racially “dismorphic” 😂, female, I feel like your entire analysis is spot on. I’ve definitely been accused of “talking too white”- (which I never understood) until I was out of High School- all for naught. And I’ve constantly gone through arbitrary screening/ scrutiny sessions (Rich Wigga, Poor Wigga) all for naught… I’m glad that this rhetoric seems to have died down more recently, bc it’s a huge hinderance to progress- especially for a group that’s more oppressed than any other. I sincerely hope that this spirit of acceptance continues. You’re pure gold! Thanks soooooo much for doing this!
@zaofactor
Ай бұрын
I think black coding is like a black parallel of yaoi. It's by black for black content that doesn't necessarily change the actual characters depicted. Which just makes the whole thing hilarious.
@EyesDontCry
Ай бұрын
I'm not exactly sure what you are saying if you could elaborate a little more. To my knowledge yaoi is infamously for women who fantasise about gay relationships without necessarily having anything to do with liking gay people or more precisely the idea of homosexuality as it exists in reality. Not sure exactly how that relates to this topic if you could help me understand 👍
@zaofactor
Ай бұрын
@@EyesDontCry The parallel is that despite the fact that piccolo or Knuckles is black acoording to canon, black coding attributes a black race to them, and then black people continue to see those as black thereafter. South Park fans truly under stand this because they basically made 2 of their characters a gay couple despite either of them not actually being gay by using yaoi. Watch that episode, it's hilarious, and makes black coding that much funnier too in it's similarity.
@EyesDontCry
Ай бұрын
@@zaofactor I'm still not really understanding, are you saying what's funny about black coding is that black people attribute black stereotypes found in non black characters as proof of blackness? And the same is found in yaoi discourse when non gay characters are said to be gay because they fit certain stereotypes regardless of their canon sexuality? This is what I'm getting but I'm not exactly sure if that's what you are trying to say.
@zaofactor
Ай бұрын
@@EyesDontCry It's not to prove anything. It's like people making fan fiction and now they always view those characters with some of the fan fiction in mind despite the fan fiction not being canon at all.
@EyesDontCry
Ай бұрын
@@zaofactor I see that makes sense, thanks for clarifying.
@Call_me_Nedris
Ай бұрын
Layton I love this video piece of taken blackness out of a box. While blackness is limitless like space, blackness stems from black Americans who fought so hard to separate themselves from the ideologies of white America and Eurocentric beliefs. When Donald glover first started rapping, I was not a fan because he would rap a lot about how he’s not black enough. For me I don’t like when artists try to blame certain social issues on why they aren’t successful, instead I like when they go the different route. Donald Glover, Logic, and even Wale were artist I found conflicting in the industry. They would always bring up irrelevant issues of why they weren’t accepted. We’ve accepted Kanye, Kid Cudi, Drake, Joey Badass, and many more artist who divert from the Gang ya rap talk. I have been a big supporter of Donald for years, and support a lot of his projects from him after because of the internet, because he is making music. I feel he finally realizes after not trying to force himself to be accepted the people will F with his art. Here’s another controversial topic tho, the U.S. black experience is very different from the U.K.’s. That’s what the Atlanta episode tried to depict with the flamethrower conversation. Hence this is America
@daegukreb4219
Ай бұрын
This Layton guy is theanimeman coded.
@ChocolateKieran
Ай бұрын
I love your sense of humour, genius video man. Looking forward to more. 😤
@LaytonObserves
Ай бұрын
Appreciate 🙏🏽
@fionakida
Ай бұрын
Yessss Layton YES immediately clicked🔥🤘🏾💗
@LaytonObserves
Ай бұрын
Ha! The highest compliment. Hope you enjoyed!
@Sadzilla
Ай бұрын
Okay when you compared piccolo to MLK I lost it LMAO
@Alexa-uk8lj
Ай бұрын
You lost it around 46 min mark. You're taking American conversations that apply to the American condition and trying to judge them from your UK lens.
@jorgecoelho4051
19 күн бұрын
"As long as there's kids skating, we'll be alright...",can't remember the author of this quote :)
@gamingyarns
Ай бұрын
Whiteness is blankness. Great observation. Never thought about it like that. Thankyou for your content. A tier
@colbysmith2460
Ай бұрын
Except one thing. You’re completely wrong 😭 if you’re looking at it from an American perspective (believe it or not, the world is bigger than America) then arguably, kinda. White people would be the norm for modern American culture. All the culture they have and use daily, is what everyone else uses daily. But you’re forgetting how each state is different, each state (even each town) has its own culture. Texans are a hell of a lot different than people from California. And people from New York are different from ppl from Pennsylvania. White American culture, is really just American culture. But then you’re also leaving out the fact that all the native people of Europe are white. so their white culture would be COMPLETELY different, but it would still be “white culture”. Italians 🇮🇹and their hardworking lives, and love of food. (pizza and pasta.) French 🇫🇷 with a love of architecture and their etiquette and manners; while also being some of the rudest And most selfish people in Europe. Spain 🇪🇸 being great at futbol and their love of wine. Every single country is different. Not all white people are the same. So calling whiteness “blankness” is not only completely wrong, and very racist. But lying to yourself at the exact same time. You’re speaking English, that’s white culture. It’s a native “white” language. (I don’t mind tho, I knew you thought it made sense in your head) Cuiture is ingrained in literally everything we do. Just looking at how American food is, and our houses are, our cars, our language. You can find exactly what culture you have. No one can hide from culture, no matter who you are. You have culture. It’s literally how humanity runs. It’s a fact of life.
@gamingyarns
Ай бұрын
@@colbysmith2460 that’s all well and good and you make great points. But I’m Australian and we tend not to say you’re not Australian enough because you don’t do Australian things. I get your point and it’s very valid. Donald saying that is more of the assumption I feel a lot of people have about white people rather than the intricate details you’re talking about.
@blackjackjester
Ай бұрын
Maybe I got something different from this video than you did, but I got that the "whiteness is blankness" is something easy to say for a black guy, but the reality is that he's prescribing the very same race essentialism into white people that he is trying to fight against.
@gamingyarns
Ай бұрын
@@blackjackjester blankness to my knowledge was his way of saying white people don’t judge white people the same way black people judge black people. But hey I could be way wrong.
@brianmeen2158
Ай бұрын
Let’s just drop the term whiteness as its definition is shape shifting depending on who you talk to.
@SidV101
23 күн бұрын
Blackness is a social construct; if society treats you different because it thinks you’re black, you’re black. Since society is racist in a lot of ways, there’s a lot of different ways to experience being black. But blackness is also cultural, built around the shared experiences of people who experience racism. And because different pockets of black people developed different cultures, there isn’t one way to be culturally black either.
@calmon-ground962
Ай бұрын
I'm about halfway through the video and just feel the need to say thank you. What a great discussion. Where does this discussion happen? On Layton Observes. Love the new intro thingeee. Well done thank you. Now, back to your dad.
@LaytonObserves
Ай бұрын
Glad you're enjoying! (and hopefully continued to enjoy). Thanks for the kind words 🙏🏽
@NottyGurlStyle
Ай бұрын
I got into rock music when i was in high school and I remember getting asked all the time what im listening too, i would tell them Nirvana or whatever rock band i was listening too... then they would make a comment..you know you're black right? Or i got called oreo...i was far from acting white...i just enjoyed rock music... I just ignored them... i listened to what i like and why should i have to keep myself in a box. I could still rap to any song then and now despite me still enjoying metal/rock. But the so called "black experience" is real, the discrimination etc....you can only act "white" in certain settings (corporate America) but at the end of the day...suit, granny sweater, whatever..the N word will come your way...sadly... Glover got a taste when he was in talks of playing Spiderman... thats wild he was getting those dms but im not surprised either
@L1theMage
Ай бұрын
This is such a based take. FD needs to see this
@zazabroom
Ай бұрын
Honestly, I totally relate with Donald Glover. I can’t fault him for his lyrics in that early song. It really hurts when your own community doesn’t accept you.
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