Do you agree with Tacitus’ assessment of the civil war? Do you feel his approach to history is appropriate?
@LucasDimoveo
8 күн бұрын
I’m glad that you consistently take the time to outline just how awful and pointless wars like this are. Monarchical civil wars must be the most foolish of all wars
@JustinCage56
8 күн бұрын
If you think that, just wait until you see the civil wars of the Medieval Romans. Especially the 11th and 15th centuries
@rustomkanishka
9 күн бұрын
The last time i was this early Rome still had Kings. Either way, always happy to see you guys upload.
@tribunateSPQR
9 күн бұрын
Thanks you are a legend! (Just like the kings of Rome )
@pablolongobardi7240
7 күн бұрын
I like the focus on the human aspect that this channel has
@steven_003
8 күн бұрын
Looking back we often forget how these people were just like us. Treating them as inferior, simple or alien. They had a childhood, they fell in love, shared jokes and drinks with friends, just like us. The senseless death of a human is always a tragedy, now as back then.
@Ancient__Wisdom
7 күн бұрын
I think many people have to act like those in the past weren't truly authentically human because they're uncomfortable with what that says about our own mortality
@kersebleptes1317
7 күн бұрын
A beautiful piece of writing. So was Tacitus'!
@chadvogel3594
7 күн бұрын
It's so easy to read about events like this and not think about the human toll these civil wars took on the population, good video.
@ajideroock2177
8 күн бұрын
I always thought it was so silly to criticize Tacitus for his emotional recounting of the history. One would not expect a veteran or widow of the Vietnam War (or more accurately, one who witnessed the events of 1/6/2021) to give a monotone and strictly academic telling of their experiences-- like this channel has said many times, history is more than a collection of dates and names. I reallllly dislike how many people like to reduce historical persons to two-dimensional characters. The creators of this channel are genius for their takes and messaging, and I'm glad I found you guys.
@tribunateSPQR
8 күн бұрын
Thanks! It is important to recognize that all ancient historians (just like their modern counterparts) had agendas and goals that they were trying to achieve with their narratives. One of the reasons Tacitus remains so relatable is that his thinking resonates so well with modern readers
@cristianespinal9917
7 күн бұрын
1/6/21 compared to Vietnam? You absolute clown.
@GilTheDragon
7 күн бұрын
"Men cursed...a crime being done & in the same breath did it themselves" That's it thats the horror of things & about as harshly as it can be criticized in times of Emperors.
@GilTheDragon
7 күн бұрын
"Men cursed...a crime being done & in the same breath did it themselves" That's it isnt it. The twofacedness that makes wars even worse
@pablolongobardi7240
7 күн бұрын
Such a great example of systems at work
@m.streicher8286
7 күн бұрын
the intro sting always gets me in the mood
@tribunateSPQR
7 күн бұрын
Glad to know it's appreciated - I hear it so much I almost tune it out
@angelolorilla2050
7 күн бұрын
The year of the Nice
@Zlorthishen
8 күн бұрын
nice
@cathyharrop3348
8 күн бұрын
Oh, This was a good video.
@Lucasp110
9 күн бұрын
Always great to see you guys post!
@tribunateSPQR
9 күн бұрын
Thanks! Trying to keep it weekly but we’re a small operation so it still feels like a minor accomplishment to get one out on time. Really glad to know that people enjoy our work and that helps us power through
@jpmuaddib5758
8 күн бұрын
How insightful. I can't wait for your analysis of the late Empire, German invasions and maybe if I'm lucky Byzantium. Or other nation states
@Cottagepk
8 күн бұрын
Wake up babe, Tribunate just dropped a new video.
@Cor6196
7 күн бұрын
Your comment, echoing Tacitus, about the immediate impact of war - the blood and death - followed by the long-term consequences - the heartbroken grief and bloodthirsty longing for vengeance - is very apropos today in both the civil conflicts and cross-border wars we see around the world. Their immediate impact is deadly and heartbreaking, but you remind us not to underestimate the longterm aftermath, the bitter hatreds that are now being unleashed to prey upon the living for uncountable decades, even centuries.
@jonathanguzman3044
8 күн бұрын
Babe wake up. Tribunate just posted another banger !
@MatthewCaunsfield
7 күн бұрын
An effective way to put a face on the tragedy of war
@alecscott4349
7 күн бұрын
Commenting to boost visibility for this video, one of my favorite channels on KZitem.
@StanGB
8 күн бұрын
A human tragedy
@CBrace527
7 күн бұрын
really good commentary on the human cost of war
@sugar_walls
7 күн бұрын
i do my little like and comment for the algorithm because it's another banger boss
@tribunateSPQR
7 күн бұрын
thank you - the support and feedback are greatly appreciated
@marybennett4573
7 күн бұрын
Love these vids!
@neutralfellow9736
8 күн бұрын
What was the "Hurricane Legion" mentioned in the text?
@steven_003
8 күн бұрын
I assume it refers to the Legio XII Fulminata (Thunderbolt), I’ve seen this legion associated with thunder before, so an association to a storm like a hurricane doesn’t seem unlikely. This legion was later also involved in a rain miracle decades after Tacitus’ life. Maybe someone applied this name afterwards copying the original text? Just my guess, I am not familiar with the original text, please somebody correct me.
@Lawrance_of_Albania
7 күн бұрын
69 the year of chaos. 69 is pretty iconic number you know?
@f1nalgambit381
7 күн бұрын
Thanks!
@tribunateSPQR
7 күн бұрын
Thank you for the support!!
@danielating1316
6 күн бұрын
Rich chap
@WorthlessWinner
7 күн бұрын
I was expecting the WW2 Germans to show up at Thermopylae ;P That pass had so many battles even in modern times ._.
@f1nalgambit381
7 күн бұрын
Good video, guys
@tribunateSPQR
7 күн бұрын
Thank you - as soon as I saw this passage in Tacitus I knew I was going to do a whole video on it
@tschohanfaitscher3481
4 күн бұрын
Love your way of analysing and your stance on it. Could you do something about Tacitus' account on the germanic people?
@tribunateSPQR
Күн бұрын
Thanks! I love Tactitus (after Plutarch he is the source I'm most familiar with) so will definitely take him up alter. Would love to do a episode focused on the "barbarians" that takes his work into account
@tschohanfaitscher3481
Күн бұрын
@@tribunateSPQR Fantastic, man!
@portland9880
6 күн бұрын
I love this channel
@iam.damian
7 күн бұрын
Nice
@CelticLifer
6 күн бұрын
Scary stuff. We aren’t so different from this, even thousands of years later
@ProbusVerus
4 күн бұрын
Just read a month ago the Historiae of Tacitus. Such a fascinating account, I wished it survived the rest so that we may have know what happened in details to the Batavian revolt and to the Jewish insurrection.
@nebojsag.5871
7 күн бұрын
Wasn't there also a Celtic invasion that defeated the Greeks at Thermopyle in exacly the same way as Xerxes?
@Giantcrabz
3 күн бұрын
Best channel
@tribunateSPQR
Күн бұрын
thank you!!
@f1nalgambit381
7 күн бұрын
Can I become a member?
@tribunateSPQR
7 күн бұрын
Yes absolutely- just follow this link: kzitem.info/rock/7Jx8j3giv0rsDX0wgz9uGQjoin
@Kuudere-Kun
7 күн бұрын
The idea that there was no actual ideological disagreements ruling anything about this civil war is one I would have hoped a channel like this would be more skeptical of. You actually make Tacitus sound more neutral then he actually was by downplaying how he was a Propagandist for the Flavian Dynasty, as was Suetonius. It served their interests to paint Nero as a Tyrant and the Year of the Four Emperor as Horrific Chaos to discourse further rebellion against Flavian rule. And it often serves the interest of Victors to deny those they defeated actually believed in anything.
@bill9989
7 күн бұрын
Using BC and AD doesn't make you a Christian any more than donning a yarmulke at a Jewish funeral makes you a Jew. I know, ive done it several times and I'm still not Jewish. BC and AD is simply Western Civilization.
@tribunateSPQR
7 күн бұрын
I agree, just as using the prevailing academic convention of BCE and CE doesn't make mean I'm not a Christian
@bill9989
7 күн бұрын
@tribunateSPQR I seldom agree with Neil DeGrasse Tyson, but I agree when he says he uses BC and AD simply to give respect to the people who devised the dating system we use. To me, you can jettison the system if you feel it is inextricably connected to Christianity but then use an entirely different system. Furthermore, BCE and CE begs, "what exactly is that event that delineates the "Eras?" Of course, there is no event that makes the Common Era common to Asians and Patagonians and Innuits and Europeans etc etc etc. It's nothing more than an avoiding substitute. And it's English, correct? Does "Before the Common Era" produce the same "BCE" acronym in other languages? If not, isn't that language chauvanism? At least AD is Latin.
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