I miss the man who could talk passionately about the profoundness of Sleeping Beauty and Pinocchio.
@Gingerblaze
Жыл бұрын
He is still doing that. Now in an applied form.
@O1OO1O1
Жыл бұрын
He can cry passionately about them
@Tethloach1
Жыл бұрын
Nope, he is better now than ever.
@INFILTR8US
Жыл бұрын
Now he dog whistles white supremacy and bigotry. I have no pity for him.
@jerrygreene1493
4 ай бұрын
@@Tethloach1 He has elevated psuedo intellectualism to an art form. There is only two differences between men and women, cultural and biological. Figure that out on your own Jordan? In what possible way could they differ?
@cyandamadlala9610
Жыл бұрын
He joined Twitter, that's when his downfall started
@jelmervd2l
3 ай бұрын
A lot of downfalls start at twitter
@Bruva_Ayamhyt
Ай бұрын
Many such cases.
@mll6707
Ай бұрын
Which downfall? The personal, political and professional persecution has been relentless! Truth and Courage will prevail!
@jelmervd2l
Ай бұрын
@@mll6707 Have you even seen the video?
@eunicemwicigi8104
19 күн бұрын
@@mll6707yes, it's prevailing. That's why he's nowhere in the picture of it. Next delusion?
@Deepfake820
Жыл бұрын
"sanctimonious butchers" is exactly what they are and that is still putting it mildly.
@cheeks7050
Жыл бұрын
Agree
@furtim1
Жыл бұрын
Indeed. He goes against the message and the consensus of the powerful (climate, trans, racism, patriarchy, and all the other mechanisms that have been and are being pursued to facilitate global marxism) in using violence, censorship, oppression, ostracization, and theft to rule the world as oligarch kings for all time. Meanwhile, he used a mean word....I clutch my pearls.
@GrumpyStiltskin316
Ай бұрын
Absolutely. The notion that stopping a child’s puberty, giving them hormone supplements and removing their body parts is medical “care,” is preposterous.
@InspiriumESOO
4 күн бұрын
Who are they once again? The same they as 100 years ago? Stop yapping like a coward. Be direct, be a man.
@tedarcher9120
Жыл бұрын
To be fair, not many people would remain as reasonable as he after the amount of abuse he and his family endured
@aesir0784
Жыл бұрын
Exactly.
@ejtattersall156
Жыл бұрын
Like a leper messiah, Ziggy sucked up into his mind.
@thebeardofpepew4538
Жыл бұрын
To be fiar this dude is a total douche 😂 incel messiah
@lifeonmars4088
Жыл бұрын
The root of his abuse was unavailingness to use condoms
@INFILTR8US
Жыл бұрын
Yes, dullards often appear "reasonable" because they can't think of a decent comeback.
@paininthepatoot
Жыл бұрын
I have to agree that I don't think Jordan Peterson is the same as he used to be. What has caused the decline I don't know. Dealing with his wife's cancer? Dealing with constant attacks from all directions? His own health and issues with drugs (probably caused by the pressure)? I can't imagine what it would be like to have to deal with all he has had to but it must have changed him. I is can only hope he is able to work out what is affecting him and get back to what he once was.
@INFILTR8US
Жыл бұрын
Well to be fair most of those things were his fault for opening his stupid mouth. Not the cancer of course, though one could argue that he himself is cancer.
@Drew-uv5wi
Жыл бұрын
@@INFILTR8US You're a horrible evil monster.
@CBT5777
Жыл бұрын
Benzodiazepines are one of the evilest drugs in the world. I know. I was on them for 14 years. I sympathize with him on that, but I don't agree with him about religion, and I don't agree with him on men needing to have children for true meaning in their lives. But I do agree with him partly on the gender pronoun issue. I had to deal with that crap in drug rehab, where I was forced to tell others my gender, when it is obvious what gender I am. This gender crap is getting silly.
@detective2221
Жыл бұрын
@@INFILTR8US Please, be reasonable and explain what you mean.
@jeremyevans8374
Жыл бұрын
I do see the decline. But he really went through the ringer. And he was heroically brave about it but you can't keep that up forever. Especially when you get kicked in the head by benzodiazepines. My pip squeak experience with those drugs are nothing compared to his but they were plenty awful. He is probably not all the way through it physiologically speaking. And then how people loved to kick him when he was down. Well I am thankful to all that he gave and all those old lectures are still up there on KZitem to experience. I hope he levels out and maybe comes closer to being who he was but even if he doesn't, he did give a lot already.
@kennyg1358
Жыл бұрын
This is better writing than the typical hit piece.
@MattHudsonAtx
5 ай бұрын
It's dishonest not to call him a clown
@rockrobful
5 ай бұрын
This is simply an Ideological zealot engaging in sour grapes hyperbole.
@BDub2024
Ай бұрын
I think its pretty pathetic to criticise the person and not argue against the topics. It seems to be a common way of shooting down someone's argument. Personal criticism. How about present a better argument. Be original and put your own stuff out there. Do we want a society where anyone that goes out in public and gives a view leaves themselves open to personal criticism and ridicule. Is that a way of intimidation. In an democratic society everyone can speak. Enjoy the market place of different views.
@DrNDJas
4 ай бұрын
He began as a professor giving lectures in class at a university in Toronto. He was thrust into the role of global celebrity/saint/demon in a matter of a few years. I would not say he's declined. He's had to change due to the change in his life. Anyone would have to adapt, evolve, and grow with the pressures and scrutiny of the world from all angles. I mean, this very video is a testament of the attention he has received and how he has had to change his life. I think "decline" is a very loaded and biased way to frame his adaption. He's had a lot of challenges and has persevered quite admirably amidst it all.
@jameswarrren2545
25 күн бұрын
Many notable authoritarian people down through history have shown us how perseverance and tunnel vision often make their many challenges impotent.
@eunicemwicigi8104
19 күн бұрын
Perseverance and adaptation/change have NOTHING to do with bigotry. There's nothing special about perseverance and self adaptation. Almost everyone gets to a point in life where that becomes mandatory. Being a bigot is a disctinct and deliberate choice he's made, it's not a function of his problems or lack thereof.
@furtim1
Жыл бұрын
12:56 - I disagree with this statement. Peterson has, absolutely, distinguished multiple times between "activists"' and any random trans person, not least be interviewing, sharing panels, and being interviewed by trans people in which he treats them and distinguishes them from the "activists".
@Gingerblaze
Жыл бұрын
Glad to see someone else call this mischaracterization out. His opposition to the medicalization of trans identifying ppl and vulnerable children, shows him to be MORE caring and concerned about them than the activists supposed "advocacy" for social, medical and surgical "affirmation" regardless of who it hurts. Including trans identifying people themselves, several of whom appreciate JBPs pushback on this topic.
@samipersun9995
Жыл бұрын
Same with rad islam x feminist union. He never definitely claimed that was the case, more like he can’t put his finger on what’s causing it and one of the explanations (that he admitted sounds like a bizarre stretch) was the one mentioned. Dawkins reposting the vid with cartoon on this same theme shows he’s not the only intellectual thinking about this matter.
@josephbelecky7838
4 ай бұрын
The progression and maturation of Jordan Peterson’s positions and pronouncements in later years is completely in accordance with logic when seen in the context of the anti-rational adoption of the destructive policies of left leaning institutions in Western societies. The consistency of his stance stands in contrast to the illogical descent of formerly aware mainstream thinkers into a political and cultural cul de sac.
@victorvanvolt8425
4 ай бұрын
@@josephbelecky7838 No it's not, it shows a desperate man that is losing to changes that society at large has merited as good. Like accepting gay people, or POC or different ethnicities, trans people should be accepted as another facet of humanity.
@lizardKingCDXX
3 ай бұрын
@@samipersun9995 oh, you describe a "dog whistle" perfectly. I couldn't have put it better myself...
@FunkMasterJunk
10 ай бұрын
This is the problem with the public eye. He's human. He's faulted. Rarely does someone operate on his level of intelligence and not flirt with insanity. It goes hand in hand. It was a good run and if you return to his previous work, he has given scholars and society enough ideas/thoughts to discuss and ponder for years to come. Everyone needs to retire at some point, including Axel Rose. We just cant maintain that level of peak performance for all of our lives.
@EvenTheDogAgrees
4 ай бұрын
Axl, not Axel.
@ramon2008
Ай бұрын
He’s not insane he’s stupid and stubborn.
@donalddavid8199
25 күн бұрын
Jordan was welcomed into the jungle, and came a broken man
@RhetoricalMuse
8 күн бұрын
*Rarely does someone operate on his level of intelligence and not flirt with insanity. It goes hand in hand* His IQ is 145 - he is no genius. Musk is 160 and not insane at all. Nor was Einstein and many others. Furthermore, Eric Weinstein, Sam Harris, Noam Chomsky and multiple others have not 'flirted with insanity' either. The presupposition that JP is much more intelligent as he is is the problem here.
@kalash_nikov
Жыл бұрын
I have noticed the same thing in the past year and I'm glad to see I'm not the only one. I can admit that I was a huge fan(boy) of Peterson for years, in fact back in 2017 when I discovered him his lectures pulled me out of suicidal thoughts after a big breakup. But recently you can notice the change in his behaviour and approach. It's not about *what* he's saying (although he talks about more diverse topics with more confidence like climate change and similar), but *how* he says it. As he says himself - be careful with your speech. It's one thing to say "I think we should be careful about those new policies which are intended to help with X, because there are potential huge drawbacks" and it's another when you say "Climate change fascists are trying to destroy...". Siding with a specific political wing, when he was the one who taught me that every view is worth listening to and there's always something good to learn from every side, is particularly disappointing to watch. I don't think that him crying more often during interviews is something to criticize him for. It might be sign of emotional dysregulation, but maybe it's him embracing his emotional side more and more, and being comfortable with the world to see it. He is, after all, talking about some serious and heartwrenching topics when speaking in public.
@Gingerblaze
Жыл бұрын
Great observations. Much more in alignment with ppl who have described themselves as politically homeless. He has gained many more traditionally left leaning peoples attention who previously had dismissed him based on nothing but smear campaigns from their own side. The realization that one mustn't agree with everyting someone says, does not mean their character should be slandered or their speech shut down.
@paulstuart551
Жыл бұрын
He opened himself to scrutiny by his initial objection to the controversy about hate speech toward transexuals. In his previous profession it would have been more positive to explore the subject rather than object to semantics; 99% of transexual men are macho heterosexual caricatures who feel the need to conform to them & find it intolerable; when most men say they feel like a woman it is that they are uncomfortable with their facade as a man & want access to traits attributed to women. It is easy to avoid new pronouns & the bill was about hate speech toward them rather than enforced speech. His emotional outbursts are relevant as a psychologist who has failed to address his own depression while boasting about how he has saved others from extreme depression. To be content requires self awareness of the thought process rather than an endless need to accrue more fame or wealth. He knows he is a fraud.
@cyandamadlala9610
Жыл бұрын
He joined Twitter. That's what happened to him. You can't think straight when you addicted to that app. I am talking this as a person with experience.
@maisuchan6209
Жыл бұрын
I noticed all of this happened when he joined the daily wire. He got way more aggressive in his mannerisms and speech a lite after he signed up with them. I get they give him protection from the woke lunatics, but he sold out his integrity for it
@mikearchibald744
Жыл бұрын
@@cyandamadlala9610 Not really, beacuse he got worse after he got kicked off twitter.
@britasha1194
Жыл бұрын
a "Old man yells at cloud" sort of feeling. He was never perfect, but he was pretty great. I hope he gets back on track.
@timhenley3602
Жыл бұрын
Wasn't aware he was 'off track'...🤔
@HerzausStahl
Жыл бұрын
He is quite off track, his crisis broke something in him. This is not the JP anymore I listened to....
@Jefferson61345
Жыл бұрын
What IS the track?
@Ieremos
Жыл бұрын
@@Jefferson61345 The track is a chimpanzee full of snakes!
@chaserseven2886
Жыл бұрын
@@timhenley3602 he always was off track
@TooneySA
Жыл бұрын
Whilst he has lost his way a little bit since his illness, that shouldn't besmirch his original messaging, which was very positive for young men. I hope he will return to his more balanced approach, as that's why he became so popular in the first place.
@dresscode4197
3 ай бұрын
He was never balanced.
@donalddavid8199
25 күн бұрын
He is a grifter
@richardjames6087
19 күн бұрын
JP: “What about MEN??!!” … while he sobs uncontrollably, dreams about grandma’s pubes (look it up), and tosses in long winded boring analogies and anecdotes which basically equate to: wHITe mEn oPPreSSeD 😭 What an amazing role model 😂 Just another regressive grifter (like Trump, etc.) who appeals to fantasies of returning to the 1950s … a time period when one specific ethnicity and gender held massive societal advantages over all others
@jessfarr5667
Жыл бұрын
he’s doing pretty good now considering what he went thru. I wouldn’t say he’s in decline tho. the internet has just moved on
@mkrump9403
4 ай бұрын
Yeap But he pass too much time on X (Twitter) complaining against politicians for their individual behaviour. The world is not the same after he became sick and Covid and Ukraine. The political correctness of early and mid 2010's: disappear like a fog by the sun light.
@rrickarr
Ай бұрын
But why did he go through that!!!! Here is the man who is preaching at everyone else and he ends up in a detox centre. He needs to sit down and be quiet. There is nothing wrong with needing detox but when you spend your whole life preaching at everyone else when you have this problem, then you are a complete FRAUD!!!!!
@T6_That
17 күн бұрын
I just saw him live in Chicago in Feb 2024. He and his wife were BRILLIANT!
@ashcarrier6606
Жыл бұрын
His framing of Russia's invasion of Ukraine in the context of cultural issues like gay rights or whatever did NOT impress me.
@gravytopic
7 ай бұрын
Yeah, his theory about Russia's war against Ukraine being a battle against wokeness was instantly retired once he realized that everyone else with Internet access found it laughable or indefensible. Just like the Kavanaugh tweet made him quickly do a 180.
@hemig2869
Жыл бұрын
People like Jordan are meant to get you to ask questions He like everyone else are flawed and shouldn't be the be all, end all For me, I'm really thankful to dr Peterson. He helped me understand myself better and I cannot thank him enough for that Edit: for those of you who the feel the overwhelming urge to mention every terrible thing JP has done or said, you've missed the whole point of my comment You should focus on your own happiness and that of the people you care about the most. Getting into petty squabbles on the internet because you have to be 'right' is going to be a waste of your time and before you realise you don't have a lot of it, it'll be too late
@free_at_last8141
9 ай бұрын
Well said. I'd put him on the same level as Christopher Hitchens for how much he's impacted my life.
@shway1
9 ай бұрын
@@free_at_last8141 wow that's almost as sad as when bill maher compared that idiot milo to a young hitchens
@free_at_last8141
9 ай бұрын
@@shway1 I remember that, what a horrible take that was, haha. I've never liked his delves into Judeo Christian mythology. I appreciate his attempts to take ancient stories like Cain and Abel and spin them to modern audiences made up often of disenfranchised men, but that religiosity is definitely not my thing. I'm referring to his encouragement to do things like not say things that make you weak, look for problems in your life and work to fix them, seek strength to overcome struggle which will make you stronger, etc. He can be a wonderful influence in an environment steeped in passive dislike and distrust of men. I wish that he and Hitchens could have had some discussions on things like the literary impact of the KJB, Soviet authors, and ESPECIALLY Orwell. I would give a lot to see a long-form discussion on Orwell between those two.
@shway1
9 ай бұрын
@@free_at_last8141 how do you feel about the "muslim domination" comments mentioned in this video? what does that imply to these men about consent? have you seen "jp doesnt understand george orwell" ?
@free_at_last8141
9 ай бұрын
@@shway1 I don't think that I agree with Dr. Peterson about most of his takes on Islam. I don't mean to be rude, but it's better to cite the specific claims that he's making to get my takes on them. I have experienced "consent" to have been weaponized against young men, especially in Colleges and Universities, where sexual advances have been conflated with sexual assault. This has been paired with horribly poor "studies" to try and push a narrative of "r+++e culture" on campuses. This is ironically counter to much of what feminist protests on campuses were about a few decades ago, when the fight was against mandatory curfews and chaperones for female students. Sexual relations are messy, and treating men like potential monsters who need to be "educated" out of their innate evil tendencies and should be viewed with suspicion and generally considered guilty until proven innocent has done nothing good for multiple generations as far as I'm concerned. I had not seen the video you mentioned. I honestly generally can't stand Tom Nicholas, his presentation is snobbish and he's too stuck in Western "right vs. left" tribalism in my opinion, but I watched it per your recommendation. I didn't know that a statue of George Orwell was installed outside of the BBC in 2017, I find that funny and I don't think that it's a good place for it to be. I don't think that Hitchens would have approved of it, referencing his talk on Why Orwell Matters in Politics and Prose, but that's just my opinion. Orwell was ostracized by the Left of his day because he spoke out against the Soviet experiment in Animal Farm and the tendency to hate the rich as opposed to loving the poor amongst the "Liberal Elites" in Road to Wigan Pier. He also put his money (and ultimately his throat) where his mouth was in Spain as related in Homage to Catalonia. When Orwell said that "liberty means telling people what they do not want to hear," he was referring to these things, as well as his lambasting of British Colonial rule in India in Burmese Days, among other things I'm sure, I'm not an Orwell expert, I've just read some of his work. Tom Nicholas claims that it's incorrect for Dr. Peterson to claim to be similar to Orwell in this way, as he's experienced success for his speech where Orwell experienced ostracization. I disagree though, because Dr. Peterson has experienced severe critique and Professional ostracization for his claims, which I think he's generally weathered well. His interview with Cathy Newman is a good example of this. He's experiencing success because this brand of "I am a good person so any opinion that I have is good, so if you disagree with me you are a bad person and must be fought against" has run roughshod over much of Academia and the Professions generally. Dr. Peterson is seen by many as standing up to what they feel is injustice by speaking what people don't want to be said and is getting success for that. That he's experiencing success where Orwell experienced ostracization does not mean that they can't both be speaking uncomfortable truth. This is getting much too long, haha. I disagree that Dr. Peterson doesn't understand Orwell, and would argue that he instead approaches Orwell from more of a conservative Judeo Christian view, which is why I would have very much liked to have seen him discuss Orwell with Hitchens, who was obviously EXTREMELY well versed in Orwell's work and approached it from his Trotskyist Antitheist lens.
@love2win
Жыл бұрын
So essentially you're lambasting Peterson because he is (finally) realizing the hopeless state of the institutions which he had regarded as mainstream and reasonable all throughout his (very respectable) life. Peterson is not the one in decline, Mr. Chamberlain - it is you who, judging by this video, are too concerned with "mean tweets" to realize that the things you regard as reasonable and nice have been decaying for decades, and recently crossed over into the twilight zone. They now do far more harm than good, and are therefore not "sustainable" in the only sense that matters: human flourishing. People of good conscience are gradually waking up to that, and starting to busy themselves with building something to replace it.
@WiseG33k
Жыл бұрын
He still puts up interesting stuff, but it's not the same. Hardened. Captured. I can't see him as the same free thinker he once was, and that breaks my heart.
@shway1
9 ай бұрын
he never was
@MattHudsonAtx
5 ай бұрын
Rupert Sheldrake is still a prolific fool, go follow him
@jameswarrren2545
25 күн бұрын
It takes some strong men to make a dent in the world. Strength is not found in the mighty oak tree, which can snap like a wooden matchstick in a hurricane. Strength is found in the grasses of the meadows which can bend in the strong winds.
@normsky5504
5 ай бұрын
He tends to come at things from a different angle, but he is armed with a lot of knowledge and facts, which he articulates in his own unique style. He has the ability to be both straightforward, and profound, simultaneously. He is right about a lot, but not everything.
@ricabel321
4 ай бұрын
Yeah? What's he right about that you didn't already know?
@scronx
4 ай бұрын
@ricabel321 That's not the point.
@Conserpov
4 ай бұрын
He also lies a lot. Jordan Peterson is an industry plant, what's called a "gatekeeper".
@jimwing.2178
4 ай бұрын
@@scronx My point is that Jordan Peterson never says anything of significance. He dresses up simple drivel in pseudo-academia lingo that makes conservatives feel good about clinging to their regressive ideas.
@scronx
4 ай бұрын
@@jimwing.2178 I would say you have a point. But if you wear your hair right nobody will notice.
@brianthom6798
Жыл бұрын
Echo Chamberlain failed to note two things when delineating Peterson's downfall: 1) In Peterson's recent controversial statements, pretty much everything he has said has been dead-on balls accurate. 2) If Peterson is now seen as a right-wing figure, alienating those on the left, you would think that if anything this would only increase his prominence on the right; so the extent of his downfall is still not explained. I myself am not nearly as drawn to Peterson's uploads as I was five years ago, but I'm really not sure why this is the case. My hunch is that, instead of presenting his own ideas, he now seems to prefer discussions with other intellectuals, and I'm much more interested in his own thoughts.
@B463L
Жыл бұрын
He used to present intelligent ideas that he had worked hard to develop. Now he's just another commentator who reactively comments on whatever happens to be the deranged leftist nonsense du jour. It's a waste of his intellect.
@EvenTheDogAgrees
4 ай бұрын
Yeah, it seems like everything eventually turns into an interview podcast. This seems to be the end goal of everyone who gains notoriety. Same with Andrew Huberman. Personally, I think the decline in popularity/relevance of these people is mostly related to them running out of new things to talk about. Sure, there will always be the next event to talk about, but the message is always the same. Essentially, the core set of ideas is rather small, and there's only so much time you could talk about them before repeating yourself. After a while, we've heard it all, and every new video is merely repeating what the previous however many videos already covered. Besides, I'm not all that interested in commentary on current events; that's just milking drama for views. I'm more interested in the man's philosophy, divorced from the distraction of ${latest_scandal}.
@brianthom6798
4 ай бұрын
@@EvenTheDogAgrees All very good points. Thanks for the insights.
@EmmeMck
Жыл бұрын
You seem to positively assign the label of contrarian then complain that he critiques, climate alarmism, covid vaccine mandates,trans ideology/children and Liberal tyranny. While I agree he's lost a few steps and isn't what he was, you seem to be more annoyed he's against ideas you support
@furtim1
Жыл бұрын
Correct.
@B463L
Жыл бұрын
I'm further to the right than Jordan Peterson and seeing him get into conservative politics annoys me. We really did not a Peterson-tier intellect to make any of the basic-bitch arguments on the issues you mention here. It's a blatant waste of his time, and he could be cutting deeper into the leftist rot by doing something more similar to his old work. To explore conservative ideas at an intellectual level rather than simply reacting to braindead leftists when they say or do deranged stuff, and to not be on Ben Shapiro's payroll.
@bradandest
Жыл бұрын
Exactly this. If there was some engagement with the ideas that might have rounded out the essay. Or an acknowledgement of personal bias
@OnyxStudios720p
Жыл бұрын
Spot on
@geddyflea6645
5 ай бұрын
Agreed.
@mcnemo2000
3 ай бұрын
Given the heights he reached, it was unsustainable to stay there.
@2FollowHim777
11 ай бұрын
I think he's wrestling with spiritual issues. Takes a toll.
@jameswarrren2545
25 күн бұрын
In my view, he should speak in public more about his "wrestling matches."
@matthewgaulke8094
Жыл бұрын
In a day an age where we consume content like crack heads it was inevitable he would become "played out". 3rd act....shit that guy could have retired a long time ago. We should be grateful we even got this much from the guy.
@tableshaper4076
11 ай бұрын
I think his mental and physical health has had the most impact. Peterson could easily become relevant again but has had to step back for health and family reasons, it took a huge toll on him and his family putting themselves out like that.
@kennethcrowther2277
Ай бұрын
Well im saying this a year later, but at this stage, the man is hardly in decline.
@KelliAnnWinkler
3 сағат бұрын
Far from it. The fact the criticism of him is ramping up means he is NOT in decline. Common tactic.
@rodgermurphy5721
Жыл бұрын
It takes alot of energy and dedication to stand up against the soulless degeneracy of the woke corporate far left
@Vancanste
Жыл бұрын
It takes even more energy to attack the flaws in your own tribe, but he minimizes doing so as it will lighten his wallet. The fact that he is now with ‘the daily wire’ says it all.
@rodgermurphy5721
Жыл бұрын
@@Vancanste He's not for you
@ironwilltattooclub6116
Жыл бұрын
Precisely
@ironwilltattooclub6116
Жыл бұрын
How can they say he declined lol. He’s literally spearheading an organization to promote a positive vision of humanity globally as a counterbalance to woke authoritarian globalists in charge
@samuelwebb2404
Жыл бұрын
Is this parody? Do you really believe in a thing that is both corporate and far left? To be far left, fundamentally, is about critiquing capitalism and its hierarchies. The "corporate far left" is like "hot ice cream" or "wet fire".
@bhbluebird
Жыл бұрын
I'm happy he is still around.
@zedmann1680
4 ай бұрын
Me too. I love a lol-cow
@Dave.666.
Жыл бұрын
Hmmm... I don't see the problem calling out COVID measures. Nor do I disagree that the twitter files are comparible with Watergate. (Have you read them?). It seemed like a really well crafted video until the last few minutes where you seemed to swap deliveringfactual information with idea that you just don't like what he says on twitter. Maybe it needed to be longer?
@samipersun9995
Жыл бұрын
Exactly. I feel clickbaited. So his downfall is that he’s a controversial figure that some people don’t like and don’t agree with. Neat.
@sarafontanini7051
5 ай бұрын
because calling out COVID measures comes across as thin skinned and selfish. Like the only reason people don't like COVID measures is because they don't like having their normall life hindered, but calling them out is ignoring why they were being done in the fist place: to halt the spread of a deadly disease that killed a lot of a people. A major reason behind Covid spreading was people ignoring the measures and trying to assert their 'personal freedom' in spite of the fact that doing so means the deadly, deadly disease spread further and killed more people. its also a lack of knowledge of history, ignoring how those simialr measures were used in the past to stop similar epidemics to success, and any issues in them was due to...people ignoring the measures or misunderstanding how the epidemic was happening. Yes the lockdowns and wearing a mask all the time was annoying, but better to be annoyed than dead.
@chontaelu
5 ай бұрын
Since his daughter has become involved in his business and speaking engagements there has been a noticeable decline: quantity over quality, poor selection of guests/interviewees, lack of focus and polish, looking for $$ and basically spreading himself too thinly instead of focusing on his strengths. He's running himself ragged and I really think he needs to take a break from public life.
@richardwillford2418
4 ай бұрын
100%
@ronbr1000
3 ай бұрын
BS
@randyclere2330
3 ай бұрын
A permanent break…
@katrinam6795
8 күн бұрын
Ah, found a woman whose fault it is yeah
@NotDeadYetJim
Жыл бұрын
Maybe he realizes that calm, mannered criticism isn’t working. He has a lot to be bitter and angry about. The thing that attracts me to Peterson was and is his authenticity.
@J0MBi
8 ай бұрын
His authentic self is all the things he made a media career relentlessly attacking others for - it's called Psychological Projection.
@themightypen1530
Жыл бұрын
He makes $80k a month just on Patreon. He's not going anywhere any time soon. I just finished watching his 1997 lectures on Maps of Meaning.
@brittanyhaas4444
Жыл бұрын
He was back in 2019. He withdrew from the platform after Sargon of Akkad got banned.
@randyclere2330
3 ай бұрын
He’s an intellectual hack
@donalddavid8199
25 күн бұрын
Yeah the capitalist in him has taken over
@jameswarrren2545
25 күн бұрын
@@randyclere2330 That sounds kind of a trumpy comment. It sounded hurtful and mean. Did you mean it that way?
@YoMamasLlama22
Жыл бұрын
Jesus. His newer tweets are hard to defend. That’s tough to come to terms with
@jennyanydots2389
8 ай бұрын
Up yours joke horticulturists! Well sea whom Chuncels choo!!
@J0MBi
8 ай бұрын
He's just showing you who he really is
@jennyanydots2389
8 ай бұрын
@@J0MBi I am Jesus and I want to come inside of you God
@LV-wl7ch
Ай бұрын
I haven't seen them. But if he got ticked and corked off... human.
@YoMamasLlama22
Ай бұрын
None of these comments make sense to me
@nnmmnmmnmnnm
Жыл бұрын
I came across him only recently and luckily am still watching his original material.
@SeanWinters
Жыл бұрын
His new stuff really isn't bad, just a nit angrier, with good reason.
@kalash_nikov
Жыл бұрын
@@SeanWinters I get what you are saying, but a reason can be understandable, not "good", if we think the outcome is not positive (in that case, Peterson's anger). Explanation doesn't mean excuse.
@Alianger
Жыл бұрын
@@SeanWinters His speech at his university over the pronouns thing was him at one of his angriest moments
@americanmade-1
Жыл бұрын
Yikes.
@mikearchibald744
Жыл бұрын
There are SO many more intelligent commentors online.
@jeremydimond3085
Жыл бұрын
You should invite him to your show and challenge him on his issues......if you dare!
@mandlambukwane1664
4 ай бұрын
Peterson won't listen to the interviewer ...but talk talk talk
@darthkek1953
3 ай бұрын
This guy is a "don't dare show my face" anon LOZ guy with 40k subs whinging that Marvel isn't as good as it used to be. And that's his "platform" to attack the guy making 100s of 2-hour podcasts, full lecture series, and writing his 3rd bestseller which he is currently pre-promoting on a worldwide tour.
@fortunateson101
Ай бұрын
@@darthkek1953He's shown his face on other channels. I don't know why he chooses not to on this one, but that's his choice.
@samh.6272
27 күн бұрын
Peterson is very abusive. I wouldn't sit and talk to him. His daughter said twice that he was diagnosed with schizophrenia. That could explain all the word salad he spews and his rage. Not that everyone diagnosed with schizophrenia are like that, but the symptoms fit Peterson. Other professionals call him unhinged.
@ancientfuture9690
Жыл бұрын
I don't there's been a decline. Just a change of focus for him. He's doing his work with Daily Wire, podcasts (and probably in the process of writing a new book). He's done the majority of his work and impacted the culture in a positive way, so he's prolly just taking it easier...he isn't getting any younger.
@Bruva_Ayamhyt
Ай бұрын
I disagree. He's become a different person than the one I looked up to a few years ago.
@norbarellis
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for detailing all of the threats against JP, few dare to expose just how scary that must have been for him and his family and the impact that had on him.
@rydz656
Жыл бұрын
Didn't his daughter get him milked? I remember she tweeted a pic about it.
@matthiasthulman4058
Жыл бұрын
@@rydz656 what do you mean? Explain milked lol
@RTU130
Жыл бұрын
Hmm
@peterhardie4151
Жыл бұрын
Traumatic.
@jennyanydots2389
8 ай бұрын
He's still pretty redacted though. I thought Jordy Pee was putting on a front stage act the whole time son... underneath he's just a bitter, frustrated closeted little soy infused cucked out pinko marxist...
@agrumpymonkey5800
Жыл бұрын
15:20 it was a good idea for intellectuals to collaborate and come together to discuss these issues in a civil matter. But I watched the debate many times and Michael’s personal attacks against Jordan Peterson were the exact reason I’m for JBP. It seems that a lot of these debates are personal attacks against Jordan Peterson’s group identity (straight, white, male) For those individuals who are lumped together in this group identity, it is hard for to us to argue and debate ideas when any push back from the opposing side is as hominem attacks
@guyskillen
Жыл бұрын
Yeah the man opposing in that debate was a complete degenerate and embarrassment to the whole debate. Fry and Peterson were great.
@furtim1
Жыл бұрын
Indeed. It was one of millions of examples of just why these debates may be ultimately pointless, except to help the few of us left to know we are outnumbered by the racist horde of SJW Marxists.
@rockrobful
5 ай бұрын
This is simply an Ideological zealot engaging in sour grapes hyperbole.
@OrmondOtvos
4 ай бұрын
Amen. Shitslinging is the new debate.
@mkrump9403
4 ай бұрын
I was following daily Jordan's stuff. I stopped around 2018 and came back to his stuff not long ago... 2023 - He is just complaining on X twitter against regular day politicians... God knows why! Back in 2014... They were a heavy lot of political correctness. You could be fired for personal opinion in some sphere of work activities... But in 2023-2024 (january), the world is not the same (compare with 2014), Covid, Russia, Inflation, Gaza. No one care of the political correctness, neither your feeling, but we are still respectful so we move on.
@samipersun9995
Жыл бұрын
While I don’t agree with your characterization I’m glad I watched it and I respect your opinion. Keep up the good work and post more vids like this, preferably delving way deeper if required (as I believe was the case this time).
@bllla
Жыл бұрын
I’d say this is a fair assessment of what has happened to Peterson.
@thisNewFoundLand
Жыл бұрын
...this video was unwatchable by roughly the 18th minute mark. The narrator devolves into blanket assertions that indicate a rather venomous bias. All good if the bias is more honestly asserted, but it proves nothing to those who are observing without attachment to any colours, fabrics, or pages of the 'culture war'. Peterson's emotional centre has been shredded. He continues to lay himself bare in front of the digital masses. He may have a Christ complex, but i hope he never stops speaking -- and not because i agree with everything he says. JP is an honest voice in shockingly corrupt times.
@rockrobful
5 ай бұрын
This is simply an Ideological zealot engaging in sour grapes hyperbole.
@zenon3021
2 ай бұрын
he's only famous for being one of the very few public "intellectuals" to promote god belief. But his own spiritual beliefs are super muddy... He seems to think if you can dream or imagine something then it's "real." And he's only "Christian" in the most loosey-goosey sense of the word... Basically he believes none of it but just likes the stories. The smarter the person, the less they take the Bible literally.
@claudealbarran8300
3 ай бұрын
Everything needs context. He is a man of his time.
@andrewbrennan2891
Жыл бұрын
When you start to believe the hype other people give you and lose sight that you are as flawed and prone to mistakes as everyone else.
@laisphinto6372
10 ай бұрын
i believe more that the constant attacks got to him
@salami2
Жыл бұрын
Jacinda Ardern, the prime minister of New Zealand, has admitted that the country will become a two-tier society between the vaccinated and unvaccinated following new government measures. The politician's comments to the New Zealand Herald follow the introduction of a traffic light system, with the policy enforced when district health boards have vaccinated 90 per cent of their region. After a reporter from the Herald asked about the creation of two classes of citizens - between the vaccinated and unvaccinated - Arden said: "That is what it is."
@@salami2 Thanks, I was afraid you were gonna make me search for it myself ;)
@salami2
4 ай бұрын
@@ifination cant post links on youtube love
@free_at_last8141
9 ай бұрын
I really wish that Christopher Hitchens had been able to stay in the ring for a few more years. I would have given a lot to see long-form discussions between him and Dr. Peterson.
@gravytopic
7 ай бұрын
Hitchens might not have gone easy on Peterson's ill-formed religious woo. As far as a debate goes, Hitch would have wiped the floor with JP
@leegrant7333
5 ай бұрын
HItchens was an idiot though
@robertlloydsite
4 ай бұрын
I dont think so. What Christopher has in bombastic rhetoric ,Jordan makes up for in genuineness..@@gravytopic
@Vytas.
4 ай бұрын
@@gravytopic Exactly!
@Vytas.
4 ай бұрын
No, I read "Hitch 22" and learned from it that Hitchens does/did not waste time on debating people who even avoid answering a question. Peterson said that it would take him 3 days to answer if he believed in god. As if it is a not Yes/No question. Hitchens would not have waited for Peterson. Peterson clearly believes. He once even told to his friend that he wanted to have his own church and preach on Sundays. Really! There was an article in Toronto Star. If it had been a lie Peterson would have sued. Now he got his church. And his right hand, i.e., his business manager is a russian (also the husband of his daughter's).
@hotkeyafl
Жыл бұрын
This was very well done. Just found your channel after you were on CD.
@Jack-Noch
Жыл бұрын
I think he is again returning to the center, especially after watching his last interviews. He has people in his life with opposing values and political views that he trusts and are his friends, and they have strongly critiqued his recent behavior of reactionary mean tweets, mean tweets that have done nothing but push him more to the right and alienated reasonable left-leaning audience. I think there is hope to see a positive change, he had a strong fall and I hope to see him calmer and collected again, no human is infallible... he has helped me out of some dark times with his lectures, and I'm biased in my opinions about him, but I feel I owe him at least a couple of more chances. Hope you had a merry Christmas people of the void!
@davidkruse4030
Жыл бұрын
He has always been a middle ground guy. It was the alt right that took him him and the media left that made up narratives about him
@defaultuser9423
Жыл бұрын
There is nothing "left" about liberalism. Liberalism = Establishment plain and simple.
@zmo1ndone502
Жыл бұрын
I hope because his recent tweets read like a pure Fox News fever dream
@HecVD
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, no.
@BertieWooster13
Жыл бұрын
He is not. You are imbibing in the Flavor Aid. He says nothing on import. He is full of white supremacy dog whistles-not white supremacists aren’t meant to hear them. Also. As a drug rehab nurse-his addiction story is a lie. And he entirely maintains his composure due to outside influences. His weepiness is due to his voluntary coma-that basically resulted in a head injury. And those will make you cry. You personally need to be careful as you are about to be a good German.
@PutYourGrassesOn
Жыл бұрын
The part you call a decline for Peterson seems more like pondering in order to not be canceled by certain groups you want to be ok with, but this concerns he brings into are very well supported and a significantly needed by an academic like him to expose and criticize these false argument made by woke universities, because there's no other psychologist talking about how dangerous is for mental health these moder takes about gender and stuff we are forced to get into if you decide to study social science in college
@julianmarsh8384
Жыл бұрын
He's a bigot and talks a lot of trash.
@davidpo5517
Жыл бұрын
I agree with you, but seriously use more periods.
@angel_of_rust
5 ай бұрын
yeah, why the hell does computer science have a gender studies unit
@havocgr1976
4 ай бұрын
Ok, and I have watched many of Peterson videos, but its important to also think and not get carried by fancy words.He is wrong many times.And I dont mean the point he is trying to make is wrong but his attempts to justify and prove it.Just because I agree with him on an issue doesnt mean his thought process to prove it is correct.He is a brilliant man, but noone is always right.
@whitewinterresorts7679
11 ай бұрын
That was a fantastic summary. I hope for all our sakes there is a third act and it is more Return of the Jedi than Godfather III
@Man-of-Steel674
3 ай бұрын
He started to mindlessly pander to Israel that's where he cracked. I don't if this is before or after his interview with Netanyahu but jeez, he fell from the grace Infront our eyes.
@marcgoecke9401
Жыл бұрын
great video. it would even be greater if the sound volumes of the used clips were the same
@jamese8508
Жыл бұрын
Writing this comment four months after you posted your video, JP has stepped back from the vitriolic Tweets and mostly returned to his formerly contemplative demeanor. It's certainly for the best. By the way, I think JP's remark that progressive women have a desire for "brutal male domination" was meant jokingly. JP could do a better job of balancing his seriousness with humor, but he has his moments.
@1skrmsp1
6 ай бұрын
Personally, I know two persons including myself who changed their lives after reading his books and lectures. He opened the door to so many avenue of thinking that I was unaware of, and it is my belief that a friend of mine who eventually committed suicide wouldn't have done so if I was just brave enough and held together enough to reach out and told him to watch Peterson's videos like I did in my dark times. Years after I got better and got my life in order, I met him in his lecture event in 2022. I cant explain it exactly other than he does really care about people he meet. Its active effort in his part to put people at ease. From various interviews I've watched, he usually breaks down in tears specifically this part of conversation. I think what really put burden on him is unnecessary pain people go through in society at this time. Even though he treated people with despair and mental illness for two decades, I dont think that prepared him at all of the level of despair on this scale. I think thats what really damaged him considering that is the part where he often breaks down in tears talking about it. He is a great net positive to the world, and I dont think its fair to burden him to carry that role. What, sadly, would happen is that in the absense of that role, someone else will fill it, and ones who fill it wont do better job realistically, such examples as the manosphere pollbearers.
@nak5eno616
6 ай бұрын
BAHAHAHAHA
@giovannigee
6 ай бұрын
He should go down as one of the strongest and most revolutionary intellectuals of our time. That is, if the woke mob isn't successful in erasing all his achievements from 'historical and science literature', as contemporary woke doctrines and dogma like to portray themselves more and more as.
@aleksandarlikic7460
5 ай бұрын
@@giovannigee I don't think so. He "just" resonated to so many people because of his courageous anti-woke stance, so he got immensely popular. And he helped many confused people along the way, which is surely positive. But lately he's been interested in bringing people to Christianity more than anything else. Hardly revolutionary. He's on his way of substituting the woke mob for Christian mob.
@pplr1
5 ай бұрын
He may have had a positive impact at 1 point. But doing things now like lying about Global Warming means he has gone into causing a negative impact. Lets not forget Global warming killed people last year in addition to causing economic problems and general annoyances (such as droughts, plus wildfires that made haze and smoky air for many who live in the USA).
@MultiCappie
5 ай бұрын
As a "civilisation" Peterson wants us to forget that: - we were scientific 585 years - democratic 508 years - egalitarian 306 years before christ.
@ryvyr
4 ай бұрын
As broadly Secular Humanist I criticize his positions in debates/interviews over the years, notably against Matt Dillahanty, though also appreciate and quote him on various topics. Sympathies for his partitioned decline into rightwing ecosystem.
@hydrolito
4 ай бұрын
Calling people based on biological reality makes sense. It good to protect children from unnecessary surgeries that do permanent harm. Getting them hooked on drugs, hormones and surgeries can also destroy them economically when they are adults also. Making Doctors rich and them poor.
@johns5558
Жыл бұрын
I dont really agree with you. That he does talk about issues that are not his core expertise is true. But then it also takes listeners to consider his words themselves. It doesnt take away from his fantastic contribution. The idiosyncracies of his personality or bahviour also dont take away from his great contribution. One shouldnt mistake a perceived lack of personality warmth for an effective and careful, considered, compassionate rendition of a topic, that in itself, renders a valid conclusion which is highly desirable for many people. Its easy to forget that he was highly contrary and intelligent about ridiculous subjects which most people couldnt express but completely understood! He put that in words and made sense of it and he still does. Your narrative about downfall is really just over-conceptualising.
@johnjay370
Жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same thing.
@user-su7ey7jn4n
Ай бұрын
Well. I gave you your chance to convince me by listening carefully to the whole video. You failed. The man is great and worthy of respect.
@pascualjulian-iranzo6542
4 ай бұрын
It is not a decline but a natural and completely understandable evolution of this person, given the current situation in the West. Being angry is normal. He is someone who has opened his eyes, he is not blind and sees what is happening. Are you not able to see it? Take off the blindfold and you'll see.
@daegerte
5 ай бұрын
he is a hero, simple as that
@astudent8885
Жыл бұрын
I listened and thought very carefully about the points you make here. I have to say I disagree. Firstly, there's nothing intrinsically wrong with having a political leaning if he is saying the truth, and he is certainly still giving the other side a voice. Take your "anti-vax" impression of him for example. He's not anti-vax, just anti-covid vaccinations, and his views were based on careful discussion with professionals in field such as Dr. Jensen, Ridley, and Doidge. You may think it's fringe and the vaccine is safe, but you may also be biomedically uninformed. Which brings me to another point, I think you're failing to see that his collaboration with others is the third act. Indeed he has said what he came to say; there is only so much for one man to say. But inviting others to his podcast enriches his message. Maybe after hearing his conversations with Heather MacDonald and detransitioner Chloe Cole, you'll understand his righteous anger towards transitioning children and the sexual perversion of schools. Peoples ideas differ and you may not agree with me, regardless, I still really enjoy your channel.
@jt1559
11 ай бұрын
Good post. The whole you're anti all vaccines if you're against the Covid vaccine is tiresome. The Covid "vaccine" isn't even a real vaccine - all the vaccines they give us as children prevent us ever catching the disease, while Covid at its best reduces your chances of hospitalisation and death, and at its worst causes unexpected deaths and long-term injuries.
@piotrbrodacki4082
4 ай бұрын
His main problem is he can not find the right balance between different interests which are mostly legimit. So his thought are inspiring intellectually at the begining but then you realize he does not take into consideration many facts he do not want to understand.
@robertrhaine9290
2 ай бұрын
As usual he is misunderstood and taken out of context
@arctwoable
Ай бұрын
If his popularity has waned, it has not for me. I find his work interesting, accurate and useful and believe him to be a great leader of our time. His personal trials and tribulations to me only mirror my own and undoubtedly millions of others as we grasp for anything useful to heighten our understanding of this world and this life.
@richardwillford2418
4 ай бұрын
I think his latest series of conversations (especially with Niall Ferguson) have been absolutely brilliant. Probably his best work so far. And I say this despite being a Peterson skeptic.
@celiacresswell6909
2 ай бұрын
I loved that conversation too! I’m not very religious but I love the breadth of mind revealed by these discussions. The atheist humanist position seems both adolescent and also undermined by the terrible state of our society
@pferreira1983
Жыл бұрын
I think Peterson still has one more way of looking at things in life and that's to consider the virtues of how he used to talk to how he is now. He's off balance and I don't think he's had that moment of clarity in his life now. Cutting ties with The Daily Wire would certainly help his reputation.
@johnjay370
Жыл бұрын
Yes. Cutting his ties to the daily wire would help his reputation.
@pferreira1983
Жыл бұрын
@@johnjay370 He's being put on a rowdy pedestal there. It's not who he is.
@havocgr1976
4 ай бұрын
I mean even disregarding the financial benefits, when it seems half the world hates you and it goes on for years , it must be nice to be embraced and have friends.Its not like he joined the KKK.
@pferreira1983
4 ай бұрын
@@havocgr1976 That is true.
@samh.6272
9 ай бұрын
Peterson is full of rage. It's always been there. He loves to hate on groups of people but when it came back to bite him, he cried. Now he wants our sympathy. Nope, not getting it and he's mad about that too. His latest stunt is becoming an authority on Christianity. It rubs people the wrong way when he claims to be an expert on everything. I used to follow him until I discovered how angry he is. Now he's with Daily Wire that prides itself in hurting people who think differently. It's all show to get your money. He should have known that hanging with that angry crowd would sink him. Peterson just wants to be centre stage. He reminds me of a narcissist. Glib talk, fake person. Just listen to him. He's angry at the world, looking for an argument wherever he goes. His only interest is one upping people, winning the argument and he playing dirty. I see past his mask now. He's power and money hungry. He deserves what he gets. You can only use people for so long before they turn on you.
@jamesmcinnis208
4 ай бұрын
Who's the lady wearing the tie?
@DatingDilemmaBreakdown
Жыл бұрын
This video seems extremely anti JP biased... DailyWire has literally better view numbers than almost all mainstream media now, no? Not sure how that makes him less mainstream lol. Obviously, JP got some issues on some fronts. Definitely getting a bit bitter, but to say he's in decline is a bit silly when the fastest growing media network is paying him probably millions *rolleyes*
@meaningoftheunicorn
Жыл бұрын
There's more to success than money or fame, even.
@Thomasmemoryscentral
Жыл бұрын
@@meaningoftheunicorn any of us remember the twitter weirdoes that championed him getting sick with covid and the hypocrisy of them laughing at him getting over emotional despite the fact a few of them could be just as emotional as him?
@guyskillen
Жыл бұрын
I think the issue with Daily Wire is preaching to the converted. Jordan did more than anyone can be expected to do and I think sought the comfort offered to him, so I don't judge him for it but can't agree with him about some of those tweets.
@Gingerblaze
Жыл бұрын
@@guyskillen he has brought many more traditionally left or liberal leaning ppl over to listen to the conservative media sites perspective, than he has turned away.
@efcdom1878
Жыл бұрын
This comment seems extremely doused in pro-Kermit tears
@Sev_Auk
Жыл бұрын
I've enjoyed your insights on The Critical Drinker's live streams, so thank you. I'm guessing that (at the time of this posting) 210 likes and 49 dislikes, puts the ball in an awkward court, so to speak. I certainly appreciate the recall, research and thoroughness of your video. I'm not a "Jordan is God" type by any means and I see your viewpoint in regards to his change. Your assessment is accurate. I have especially noted his shift in promoting his religious beliefs more so than he had done in the past. I do wonder, if his discourse shift is more related to an accumulated frustration in the realization that although he impacted many people initially, he also realized, over time, that he didn't really affect any change in the landscape, as a whole. All this can be seen in his snarky Twitter posts, as you stated. I've heard him say that he thinks he should avoid Twitter, but just keeps getting sucked in. It's easy for me to avoid Twitter and I do. I joined when Elon took over and made one post to him - my only post ever. It simply said, "Institute dislikes for comments, please!". I couldn't give a toss about Twitter and actually loathe its existence for so many reasons, but no one talks about me on that platform. I would surmise that having the public notoriety that Peterson has, makes it irresistible to avoid commenting. In summary, I guess I'd have to say that while Peterson has indeed lost the edge he once had, he's still done a lot of good out there. I'll check in on his KZitem page every now and again, avoiding the religious stuff for sure, but he still has some compelling interviews with people that I really enjoy. He's still a really smart and insightful guy though, and I'd rather listen to him than all the race hustlers that are regressing society back to the sixties, all in the name of their warped ideologies. "The light that burns twice as bright, burns half as long." (Tyrell, Blade Runner, 1982) Cheers, Sev
@nerosuperstardom
2 ай бұрын
I had a lot more respect for Peterson in 2020. Now, watching him rant about "the whore of Babylon" and referring to porn actresses as "succubi" on Bilyeu's podcast, I can only shake my head in disbelief.
@ifination
4 ай бұрын
I am impressed that the vast majority of the commenters actually had something thoughtful to say, and not just yelling at one side or the other. Maybe this indicates the kind of people who are interested in what Jordan Petersen has to say.
@NoBody-hw6se
Жыл бұрын
I think the overall feeling you are picking up on is that he's become the character of himself. Some essential strength, be it of mind or will, seems to have waned...perhaps understandably so.
@frew01
5 ай бұрын
Here we are a year later, and he's still out there, as current as always.
@ElliotScottDating
3 ай бұрын
No he's not lol. What
@htown11465
Ай бұрын
Do you actually think that? You can’t think the world always saw him as this much of a joke?
@DY-cq3qd
5 ай бұрын
I don't always agree with him but he's always thought provoking and this is what he wants!
@ricabel321
4 ай бұрын
You are a stinking liar!
@thevo4100
Ай бұрын
We'll see who cancels who.
@bclr6843
Жыл бұрын
It takes years to full recover from those benzodiazepine addictions. The withdrawal is the worst of any from what I’m told so my guess is he’s still not fully out of that. Maybe never will be
@davidheylen2452
Жыл бұрын
For many years, the ideas of Jordan Peterson were very influential to me and in so many ways, they still are. I don't go as far as you do in your criticism (dismissing the likelihood of a 'third act' is pure speculation). Nevertheless, and as painful as this is for me, I agree with the substance of your argument - both in describing the situation and in your analysis of the underlying causes. It makes me wonder: what does a person say after they've said what they came to say?
@mikearchibald744
Жыл бұрын
thats the problem with the internet. Noam Chomsky at least never felt bad saying the same things over and over again. These 'internet gurus' know they have to keep coming up with new stuff.
@easternacademy
Ай бұрын
By the third time I listened to Jordan Peterson speak, I developed an uneasy feeling about the man. Although he claimed scientific evidence, it was skewed by his perceptions in such a way that suggested a flawed individual whose own proclivities could not be trusted. Unfortunately, he had a stage and in defense of humanity, I could not turn my back on him--not because of his brilliance, but for fear that I would be stabbed.
@selocan469
Жыл бұрын
You must not forget that he was an academician in social sciences where education got huge hit by woke academicians. The university educations system in those departments are enormously hindered by that effect. So I believe it to be more redeemable for him to have a not so outspoken enmity toward those people. "Equality of outcome" argument is very at the point by the way.
@havocgr1976
4 ай бұрын
JP has spoken in great detail of what has happened to him there.
@richardlee3679
Жыл бұрын
I don't think there's been a decline so much as an understandable response to a series of life shaking events that would send many to their knees. A sudden rise to fame, being constantly slandered and misrepresented, a series of 'gotcha' interviews, serious illness for both himself and his immediate loved ones... And he STILL remains optimistic about the future. I think JP has been through a lot, but if anything, his experiences only leave him more capable of speaking to those in low places. A man I seriously respect for his sheer resilience.
@user-ji8ll1qn6o
Жыл бұрын
I think most of all that left leaning intellectuals have shunned him so now he can only talk to right wingers and is not in an academic environment
@garethjames3494
Жыл бұрын
I'm not sure of your purpose in this presentation...to lament the (apparently) declining impact of Petersen as an intellectual; to document this decline, or is it to register some kind of 'scholarly' recognition of Petersen's strengths and weaknesses? Whatever its purpose, it fails totally to note the depth of hostility Petersen and others face in drawing our attention to the unexamined deceit of mainstream narratives on gender, race and 'climatism'. You offer only casual acknowledgement of his earth-shaking contributions. I am led to question your motives...more views for your channel to piggy-back off the most potent public intellectual of our times?
@ozy667
Жыл бұрын
so all it takes is your wife almost dying of cancer and you almost commiting suicide and having to only eat meat to turn a man mad...
@afdulmitdemklappstuhl9607
8 ай бұрын
And twitter
@andyyoung6574
Жыл бұрын
The first 15 mins you summarise his effectiveness and appeal. The last 5 mins you just mention opinions from others and yours about him, which you are welcome to do. However, he is still saying all the same things he always has for decades. Anything he says is backed up by research and evidence. You mention his tweets, a tiny proportion of what he says, so what? His tours and lectures are still very successful. His alliance with DW gives him more reach not less. His emotion has been evident for decades in what he cares about: people and their plight. He is still a light of common sense in a world of relativism and complete idiocy. Decline? No. Evolution? Maybe. You may not like him but he is still a thorn in the side of people who define themselves by group identity and those who push today’s modern lies and long may that continue.
@douglasmorris8364
Жыл бұрын
I agree. I do like this tubers musings for the most part though.
@PaolaRL
Жыл бұрын
I completely agree with you!
@strider7008
Жыл бұрын
Yeah the decline part comes across as clickbait at best, which i don't care for. Done with this channel.
@Zerinth
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for saying this. I agree wholeheartedly. I found the last 5 minutes somewhat disingenuous. He has been through a lot physically and mentally and for much of this time the focus of abuse and constant attack from a deranged ideology (sorry not sorry).
@andyyoung6574
Жыл бұрын
@@Zerinth absolutely. His teaching has benefitted my life massively.
@robertmiller2173
5 ай бұрын
He speaks a great deal of Truth!
@Conserpov
4 ай бұрын
And then hides some lies behind that truth.
@zenon3021
2 ай бұрын
@@Conserpov And covers those lies in flowery language
@spodergibbs5088
Жыл бұрын
Not a decline. He’s just at a plateau. Everyone’s appeal levels out eventually.
@joeynyesss1286
8 ай бұрын
Pretty much this
@jameswarrren2545
25 күн бұрын
Except for the Beatles!
@TheDeepening718
9 ай бұрын
Your video should be called "The Decline of Western Psychology" with a sequel called "The Death of Psychiatry."
@nsbd90now
9 ай бұрын
Hardly. There are huge advances being made in neuroscience and imaging and there are... brain disorders. Y'know, like schizophrenia, personality disorders, depression, etc. Those are two of the major fields that study such phenomena.
@BDub2024
Ай бұрын
What are you talking about. Peterson is still out there releasing books, online material and giving presentations on all sorts of topics. Should he solely focus on specific psychology topics? perhaps. But as an individual he clearly wants to make a contribution on all sorts of topics. Good on him. In a hundred years time he'll be considered a well known philosopher of the era (even if its not exactly philosophy). Like a Bertrand Russell. I think in many cases his comments on topics will actually age very well. they may wonder why certain topics are repeated, perhaps not appreciating some of the whacky views society currently has that Peterson is speaking against.
@Zomfoo
Жыл бұрын
I deny your diagnosis.
@thenapalmbrothershq5585
Жыл бұрын
Never been a big fan of JP but he's right about one thing namely the Twitter files are way worse than Watergate. To deny this is being part of the downwards spiral.
@furtim1
Жыл бұрын
"But the D by his name makes it all ok!!!"
@B463L
Жыл бұрын
Check out his old work. He was a talented personality psychologist & practically the only interesting user of psychoanalytic theory until fame started to chip away at his sanity.
@joeynyesss1286
8 ай бұрын
Just curious why are you not a big fan?
@GrahamCStrouse
Ай бұрын
Oh please…🙄🙄🙄
@Scarletpimpanel73
Ай бұрын
I never saw what people actually saw in Peterson. I always viewed him as a bit of a hack grifting off of renewed interest in mid 20th century philosophical and theological concepts. Ironically, this KZitem stream has left me with a more sympathetic view of Peterson and his impact ... Bravo.
@EnglishroG
3 ай бұрын
An excellent summary. I found (and still find) his early lectures on psychology compelling - he was a very good lecturer indeed. I liked the early books and thought his concern for the young, and young men in particular, sincere. The arguments made against Kathy Newman were powerful and convincing. Nowadays, I can't stand the guy. The antivax stuff seemed anti-scientific, just what you would NOT expect from a clinical psychologist. The collection of right-wing and extreme right wing views on everything from Israel to electric vehicles are conventional and completely without fresh insights or ideas. I no longer bother with the man or engage with his ideas. Which is a pity.
@ronbr1000
8 ай бұрын
Totally disagree with the contention he'd declined. Just changed and evolved his method of messaging. This man will be revered when people wise up.
@philpaine3068
5 ай бұрын
They are already wised up, dude. Here in his hometown of Toronto we've always known that he was a con-artist, a fraud, and a phony. He is utterly despised by everyone in the university where he taught --- a university that has produced some of the world's greatest scholars. I never for even a second thought that he was worthy of that noble institution. I listened to his incoherent, infantile pop-psychology and knew it for the rubbish that it is long before he was adopted by suckers like you. He has found a way to get rich by telling idiots what they want to hear.
@stuartcarter4139
4 ай бұрын
i doubt it man he sounds too angry for anyone to revere right now, we can revere 2016 peterson maybe lol
@mohq9573
3 ай бұрын
he's evolved into benzo addled twitter rants
@donalddavid8199
25 күн бұрын
Revered my buttocks😂😂😂😂
@bobbeckel5266
6 ай бұрын
One year later we can see this trope is absurd, hysterical, and vacuous. A wonderful example of trolling. It shows the worst of human nature when the author uses the fact no one knows who he is to snipe at his betters. But, while this trope will soon be forgotten, the more insidious nature of the mob will not be dismissed.
@jameswarrren2545
25 күн бұрын
We are all followed around by our own mob. It lives in our head and we feed it.
@tsilikasp
8 ай бұрын
Peterson is doing fine considering he is human and what he went through all these years
@AsiaGuy2025
4 ай бұрын
He was and is brave and very intelligent. They sought to suppress him - I don't agree with everything, but he's a very welcome addition against the absurd wokeness of the USA, which IS in decline.
@Vitance
Ай бұрын
What an appropriately titled channel you have here.
@SolomonKane66
Жыл бұрын
I personally hope he continues his comeback. We all love a redemption story. And he does not need redemption in the classic sense. His redemption is reclaiming his life and his life's works.
@kimberlyhartman4865
8 ай бұрын
I was glad to see this. I notice that when you try to discredit him, you tend to paraphrase him in your own words instead of letting him speak. There isn’t anything I see in what he himself says and writes, that indicate any decline. He does mention at times in clips that you don’t reference, that he has gotten angry at being constantly attacked, and thinks he shouldn’t be, but is still recovering from those attacks and medical problems, but you don’t include much of that, but simply mention a “decline”. Then again, I admit to finding him clearly in the right and a necessary voice, even where you think him wrong. It seems odd that you and others declare he has moved “right”, when it seems obvious that the left has done the moving.
@johnhorton5627
8 ай бұрын
He's not moved right, he started on the fringe right to begin with. Nobody starts out as much of an anti-communist fanatic as he is without flirting with a little fascism. He was always a far right lune masquerading as something more. Or if I'm as wrong as I am sure you think I am, I wonder how you think it is that he ended up at far right propaganda outlet the Daily Wire? I knew from the first time I heard him on Joe Rogan he was on the far right. And that's before I found that he'd been on a white nationalist's podcast consistently agreeing with him on a host of issues. That he's now ignobly arguing for a near genocide in Palestine is him completing his turn into the fascist scumbag he was always on the crust of becoming.
@melodylonganglin997
5 ай бұрын
Very well said🌷
@donnierust4740
5 ай бұрын
that was a superbly worded response. well said.
@gilcostello3316
5 ай бұрын
Yes - and there is much he is up to, massive projects, like my favorite: constructing an entire new model of what a University can be, should be, a radical alternative to what is crumbling before us, to have the students exit the warping of their minds, and go to where they will actually learn to think wisely inside what is radically unique about them, and will know far more than most upon graduation, especially from their history, philosophy and literature classes.That's why Jordan Peterson will be remembered far into the future, a true soldier, an original, on the front line to Goodness.
@gilcostello3316
5 ай бұрын
Yes.
@kevincronin464
7 ай бұрын
Sam Harris continually kept asking him "are you religious, are you a christian do you believe in christ",.... he continually lied stating all the time,... " that's a very complicated question, we don't have enough time to go into that here now" He eventually had to come out saying he believed in christ our saviour. Kudos for Sam seeing through his lies frm day one.
@lp9280
4 ай бұрын
I still liked him in his more niche-self expression. I guess I still consider him intellectual and authority when it comes to wokeness and gender studies, after all he is actual real medical professional in the field, a professor. So he is expert in the world where this world really lost meaning, we have all sorts of self proclaimed experts in all fields without having any real or valuable knowledge in there. I think two things which lately made me distance myself from Jordan Peterson are: 1. His almost evangelical/biblical ramblings about religion, even inability to accept existence of atheism... and generally I can't take religious people seriously on topics of morale. So he is expert in his field, but instead of being respected for being also highly moral he undermines this by being overly religious. 2. His knee jerk reaction to ruzzian invasion of Ukraine. He never said he supports it, but he is on the side of appeasers, which really undermines him as political thinker, not that he necessary has to be good at it, but rather opposite - a smart person has to understand his limits of knowledge and authority, and Jordan Peterson is NOT a political strategists, he is clinical psychologist. He is out of his debt discussing geopolitics and he gets the conflict and it's solutions BADLY wrong. What is worse is that being being out of depth, yet still quite convinced of his messaging he comes out as compromised and makes one question the trust in his motives, not to mention that his son in law was russian, so he perhaps is even partial. In short - by not recusing himself from situation where he is both partial and out of depth he undermines his message even in fields where he is a recognised expert and authority. And then any reasonable commentator could argue - if he gets ruzzia so badly wrong, then what else he is willing to compromise on?
@TheoJay615
Жыл бұрын
I don't really follow him anymore. I just hope he gets better.
@thomashussman3790
4 ай бұрын
So, what is wrong with asking young men to be responsible? What is wrong with asking anyone to be responsible? What can possibly be wrong with Free Speech? This man Peterson speaks the truth as he sees it - what the hell is wrong with that?
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