I want so badly for this game to do well in the long run. It has potential, but it's hard to know what the long term plans are.
@TacticalPotato
11 ай бұрын
Same, I'm really hoping Season 2 pulls it back
@Ath3nna3
10 ай бұрын
@@TacticalPotato Warframe had it's issues as well in the beginning, it took lot of time and love to bring it to the game it is today. Warframe also reworked most of it's systems, some even multiple times. I think Wayfinders will get there one day but it will be a rocky road.
@aabenhus
10 ай бұрын
@@Ath3nna3 But you would think being affiliated with DE would eliminate some of those problems since they have the expertise already?
@Kraluth
10 ай бұрын
@@aabenhus I don't know, I was along for the WF ride since launch, and I feel like DE has probably forgotten about more features than it's improved.
@RBRSC
10 ай бұрын
@@aabenhus Publisher (marketing and finances) and Developer (actually designing and building the thing) are two separate branches (like did you ever see the guy that Steve just replaced as CEO on stream talking about game design). Also DE's kind of busy themselves of late. I don't acgtually know that the current Publishing branch of DE is even the same one (or even existed, some folks were probably multitasking/flying by the seat of their pants) when WF was in its early days AS long and short term plans go, they have both a roadmap website and a host of dev comments and alerts in their discord (including many many many, and multiple things about the XP issues (as much as you can call the fact that 2/3rds of a system not being implemented yet in an early access is an issue proper)
@jamesrule1338
11 ай бұрын
My problem with Live Service games is that I only have so many hours of free time. And I'm already playing Warframe and have a massive backlog of Steam/GOG/Switch games. Any new Live Service game that comes out has to compete with those. And Wayfinder just doesn't measure up.
@bloodsuckinflea
11 ай бұрын
I'm right there with you, brother.
@SuperFlyGhost
10 ай бұрын
Im a warframe founder, i have played every game by airship & every darksiders game. Been collecting Joe Mad comics since the 90s. This game i thought was made for me. I convinced 5 players from my warframe clan to jump in. It topped my excitement list by a far margin, and now has quickly fallen down to the bottom. None of my clan members are playing anymore. I really want this game to succeed, but the core fundamentals you mentioned that need to be addressed, I could not agree with more. I want to love this game, but I feel they are actively trying to keep me away.
@Gildorify
10 ай бұрын
Man that sucks dude. Hopefully you can find something else or Wayfinders fix the myriad of problems it has. I too have been in your boat, just with MMOs. It sucks when you feel like you unknowingly lead friends into a game, but the game turns out bad or broken.
@Calamity556
11 ай бұрын
I think DE made a bad decision publishing this game. Wayfinder seems more like a liability than an asset. They should've let Airship Syndicate find a different publisher.
@GoddessCynthia
10 ай бұрын
Not really? I’m sure DE made sure they could afford it if something went wrong. Games fail all the time I’m sure DE are aware of the risks.
@nanakiinu
10 ай бұрын
i mean they no longer are the publishers for it either way.
@craigshelhammer5683
10 ай бұрын
Yep,and that's probably why they dropped it and are no longer the publisher
@Giffsen
11 ай бұрын
Dudes were literally selling the beta access for a f2p game lmao I wish them the most pleasant flop 😊
@AnymMusic
11 ай бұрын
I feel like Wayfinders already had an uphill battle due to those connection issues. Like imagine you working hard on a project, you have journalists surrounding you looking at every move you do and writing it down. Friends, family, colleagues they all talked about it, and then when you show it off, it doesn't work. Unfortunately many people will see this and never even bother trying it out even IF you fix your project a week after. I'm always worried for early access games because of the issues an early access game can grant. Many give a game 1 chance, and if it fails then you've lost them which, in such a volatile system as gaming, can be a make or break
@cornervillain838
11 ай бұрын
Video game industry is just that volatile because there are so many games coming out fighting for your time, money and attention. In the end its better for consumers since it SHOULD drive the industry to create better and better things.
@Gehshme
10 ай бұрын
Well they handled whole situation poorly, they were absent on steam forums and turned their own discord in to positive echo chamber filled with power abusing mods and psycho stans.
@fartloudYT
10 ай бұрын
So, fix it and then release it.
@AnymMusic
10 ай бұрын
@@fartloudYT That's what I mean though. Wayfinder was talked about lots, and from 25000 to 500 is a massive decline. And who knows if any of those 24500 will come back when it does release. A bad first impression, even if it's an alpha, beta, or early access, can be deadly
@Joe90h
10 ай бұрын
Sad as it is, AS had to know this was the world they were dipping their toes into. Anthem, Marvel's Avengers, Outriders (Kinda, wasn't really a live service but was structured like one and died like one), Babylon's Fall, and a handful of free to play titles like that Ubisoft futuristic parkour battle royale with the absurd skill barrier to entry I forget the name of, Rumbleverse, Multiversus, and the Suicide Squad game that *didn't even release* before players dumped all over how generic it looked... If Warframe released today, in the state it was in a decade ago, it would have died within 18 months. It's not enough to have an idea and follow the example of the games that came before. The bar is set higher now, and you're competing with every live service and 'theme park MMO' style game that is still active and receiving frequent updates.
@shawnbaumgardner44
11 ай бұрын
I seriously enjoyed the game, aside it's rough start. However, nerfs. Why. Every dev nerfs. Instead of buffing weapons, devs nerf the most used weapons. Happens in every game. This killed it for me. I'm not that interested in it as much. It had potential. I enjoyed my 300hrs. But I think it's time to move on.
@cctakedown333
10 ай бұрын
This might not be a completely valid reason but anyways. I think devs nerf things instead of just buffing everything because they want to keep the "power creep" contained. At least to a degree. For a good example of what can happen with "only buffs" mentality you can look at Diablo 3. Those devs didn't want to nerf anything and just brought the lower performing things up for the first couple of years and it made the game bloat up with huge numbers quite quickly. Although due to the nature of that game number bloat wasn't exactly a huge issue and for a while just slapping on a higher torment level worked.
@toxic_vader3
10 ай бұрын
Because wayfinders is fucking boring and everyone that wants it to succeed is trying really hard to cope , I played the alpha and I called this but everyone called my statements bs, games like this die what a bunch of wasted potential that could’ve been put into a better game
@dragonriderabens9761
11 ай бұрын
in the discord chat, the devs have explicitly said there are no plans to add player trading because it might encourage RTM I flat out called them out on that BS saying it would actually make it worse
@TacticalPotato
11 ай бұрын
Then it's not like warframes mtx model
@Joe90h
10 ай бұрын
They need to severely rework the accessory system if they don't want player trading. I can appreciate why trading isn't necessarily right for their game, but I hate how an accessory can be a super rare drop, and it could still have the wrong slots and the wrong level making it garbage to your specific builds.
@redclowng3802
11 ай бұрын
Leveling and xp is the main reason i just cant be asked to play the game. I would like to but even after hours of grind you barely progress, its depressing.
@flapvsjack
10 ай бұрын
The nail in coffin for me was the item limitation. Forcing me to sell artifacts 1x1 and breaking down echoes just frustrated me. I will play this game again, only when they fix the UI & general mechanics that can manage a looting base game.
@Joe90h
10 ай бұрын
I can only speak for my own experiences, but I just found myself losing interest in every aspect of the game as time went on. At launch I was excited to get stuck in, but the connectivity issues obviously slowed me down and it feels like it was two weeks before I could properly play the game. Once I was playing the game, it became clear that leeching was an issue, and a lot of the elemental imbuements sapped health so consistently that the only viable way to play the game was to be a tanky Wingrave or Venomess with the ability to self heal on a cooldown, or to do as much damage as possible all at once and spend as little time in missions. Which, combined with leeching, meant that matchmaking was dead in the water. But I kept playing, and I kept up with the Discord, and therein lay another problem for me. The discussion around the game was way too tribalist. Occasionally the odd useful discussion could be had, but most of the time it was the apologists vs the trolls, and it was just a headache. Add to this that the devs were WOEFULLY quiet and inattentive when it came to updating players on the day to day. Given the state of the game at launch and the myriad of obvious issues, I don't think it as unreasonable for players to ask "what is in the next update, and when will it roughly be?" It took them way too long to start adequately reporting what they were tackling at each step of development. So, early days were bad, and the community was kind of crap. And then we run into the two major issues of playing for a long time. You quickly realise that the levelling is not nearly fast enough for a game that expects us to mix and match characters and weapons for different strategies, the accessory system has too many layers of RNG and we're inundated with useless trash, and the echo system was literally tanking some players' accounts to be unusuable if they hit a certain number because nobody considered a server based game needed to tone down how large any given account could get. So they 'fix' these issues in the most... gentle and unimpactful way I can imagine. There are actually XP items in the game we can't currently use, and the devs did the tiniest of patches to increase XP from missions that does not nearly enough. Adding caps to the Accessory and Echo inventories only really served game stability and not the ever present issues with system balancing. The 'free event' was dreadful, too. I'm on PS4, and it was completely unplayable for the first couple of days. When asking in the Discord about if this was a known bug, I got called a 'toxic console gamer', was told Wayfinder was a "PC game, not a PS4 game" and that I should "just join the PC master race"... I just put it on the backburner and never got back to it, because of the recent Warframe update. Nice timing, DE! Not like you have a financial stake in the game or anything, right? But I digress. I booted up the game with the recent update. Hp is regening now. That's extremely welcome. Certain menus lag less, which is neat. But the XP items are still not turned on, one of my guns has been nerfed, and Plague Star starts tomorrow and I really want to play with my clan... and Whispers In The Wall isn't too far behind most likely, and there are only so many hours in a given day and putting more hours into Wayfinder feels less like gaming and more like giving to charity at this point. I've cleanly broken away from other 'live services' that didn't respect my time, like Destiny 2 and Dauntless. It's just so sad that I thought Wayfinder looked like something special and cool and it turned out to be just a buggy, bad feeling grindfest with an inept team at the helm who seem to be doing things in the most backwards way I can imagine.
@zozihn8047
8 ай бұрын
This is the same story as the FPS title Gundam Evo. They had even more going for them than Wayfinder and they just fucked it up. If you setup a discord for your game on launch but don't communicate directly with your community when it matters, why did you make the server at all? You can't have it both ways. Gundam Evo had suggestion forums on the server that would be "passed on" to the devs, then the devs would change fuck all and release a steam "event" that was just a microtransaction advertisement or empty promises. You got a direct line to community feedback, this isn't rocket science.
@zozihn8047
8 ай бұрын
I didn't buy into Wayfinder. Something felt off about it and I was right. I've been burned before as well as seen favorite games go bankrupt. I'm not going to become a founder of a game that can't even keep to its promises to not use predatory monetization tactics. I don't care whose fault it was. It shouldn't have happened. You can't heavily market your project as being against FOMO and then tier your founder's packs the way they did it and fail to clearly explain your BP design. I still don't know what their plan was. "No FOMO, complete at your own pace, but you can only buy the BP during its season". That's pretty heavy on the FOMO. Just make it expansion pack content, scrap the battle pass monetization format. A simple concept that was either lost on them or they intentionally ignored for profit.
@ashcatch7923
11 ай бұрын
The way how they launched this game was so disappointing it turned so much players away from the game
@jesseteixeira6284
10 ай бұрын
I think they should've gone against live-service as an idea. Not every game needs to be an endless content fountain.
@choritooverwatch9739
10 ай бұрын
no service means the dead of this game right know because everything is made up for it
@SnoOwpro
10 ай бұрын
what a great and honest video! great feedback. Hope they can turn it around
@aemon-oni
11 ай бұрын
More and more I think most/all of the issues with Wayfinder seem to be due to "skill issues" on the part of the devs. They don't seem to know how to program/run/utilize servers or even inventory systems. The entire reason we have limited inventory is due to lag created because of how the game loads players inventories. Same with all the connection/loading issues, in that connecting to the server(s) acts like I'm logging into the game for the first time. Then there's the exp system that's purposefully and painfully arduous due to there basically being a lack of overall content. As you've pointed out, compare that to another "warframe inspired" game that ran a beta the same time Wayfinder launched into EA.. The First Descandant. At least with TFD everything works and respects your time investment. Ironically, TFD also has a limited inventory systems but has the forethought of streamlining the "cleaning out" process to the point it can be done in seconds. Simply bookmark the items you want to keep and then "select all unwanted" to liquidate them out for crafting mats or credits. You even have a storage box (another thing Wayfinder doesn't have) to store items you want to keep but don't need right now or are afraid to get rid of. Leveling in TFD is nearly as fast as Warframe, in that you would typically use Sanctuary Onslaught to level Frames and Weapons to max in about 10-20 mins. In TFD you can do defense missions that not only get you "void mats" but also level your stuff to max in about 45-60 mins. Compared to Wayfinder that takes no less than 12-15 HOURS per character/weapon. At the moment, I have more fun creating new interfaces/systems in photoshop/unity3D than actually playing the game (*feel free to check my recent vids as I have another one coming in about a week). All that said.. I think the devs of Wayfinder either don't know what they're doing or are caught up in a lot of Red Tape between execs/departments. Reminds me of "Fallout Creator Explains Why Modern Games Suck".
@FelisImpurrator
10 ай бұрын
I'll be honest, I played the open test of TFD and just did not feel motivated to keep going. The gameplay early on feels like the dullest parts of Warframe and the itemization is pretty boring, and the localization is atrocious. It's like... Eh. The least interesting aspects of true "looter" games. The UI itself is a nightmare to navigate and read too.
@silenceikeelu55
10 ай бұрын
@@FelisImpurrator I agree with you & the game is grindy as hell the drop rate for items are very low as fuck......I quit the game right after they nerfed the xp side quest mission.....I tried to get back to the game after the last update & couldn't find myself playing the game anymore or enjoy it........I hope that come 2024 alot of issues are fixed & maybe i could once again get back to Wayfinder....
@FelisImpurrator
10 ай бұрын
@@silenceikeelu55 I was actually talking about First Descendant. Haven't tried Wayfinder.
@aemon-oni
10 ай бұрын
Indeed, it's not without it's faults (lifeless openworld, lackluster story) but in terms of UI/gamplay functionality. Compared to Wayfinder.. it feels like a masterpiece. Even the "grind" of unlocking new characters is less frustrating because TFD copied the Void-relic system from Warframe so you're not having to repeat the same boss dozens/hundreds of times to get the mats you need. @@FelisImpurrator
@g.gambetta
10 ай бұрын
I think most/all of the issues with Wayfinder seem to be due to "skill issues" on the part of the devs. 100% agree with this. And i don't get it, why didn't they asked DE for help? They will have to fix up all the echo system (logic and interface) same as accesory system and crafting system, if they want to keep players, otherwise ppl will lose the will to play very soon.
@JAYM0O
10 ай бұрын
I think a lot of ppl like myself expected a Destiny/Warframe mmo style game. But thats not what we got at all.. Its just a bad game. Theres no potential, its just bad all around...
@Mishimatic
10 ай бұрын
"Season 2"? For a game that's in Early Access? How about the developers finish making their game first before moving onto seasonal content.
@Groove_Gamer
8 ай бұрын
They blew their chance
@craigshelhammer5683
10 ай бұрын
Im glad i held off,especially since DE dropped them
@ExiMaster
10 ай бұрын
They locked out a huge generation of hardware for a graphics engine and style that barely exceeds an RTX TF2 mod, making it so laggy performance-wise, and they are still only tending to founders players instead of releasing the game for free so people can play and maybe fund the game to buy more skins and report more problem / feedback. Combat is repetitive and upgrade systems didn't feel new due to them taking several systems from Warframe directly. There's much more I gripe with the game, but I have other things I'd rather do than touch this game. Arknights Endfield anyone? 😆
@jombii-7090
10 ай бұрын
I really really want this game to do good, but Airship Syndicate and their design choices are making it hard to stick around till free to play
@Deviljavugaming
10 ай бұрын
Player trading 100%, also give all the skills points to max my Skills, the current design feels like 2013 Warframes ability slotting mods. THEY SHOULDN'T pick taking all the parts from WarF that make profit and money if they can't take all the decent QoL and ease-of-access features too.
@roxstar5088
9 ай бұрын
Another reason why Warframe monetization is "fair," is because even without paying you feel like you progress. Every mission you do you feel you do it for a reason. To level up a weapon, get recourses, farm those prime parts, for the story. In Wayfinders I miss this feeling. Every dungeon I do, feel like a checklist I need to check off but I don't feel like I progress.
@Kyouma69
10 ай бұрын
The loading times are the ones that keeping me off to go back and play the game despite having new stuff this past week. I'm at 106.6 hours, the game is to grind stuff but it is done incorrectly. It does feel like, it isn't really worth my time at all. I haven't finished my season one battle pass yet and I don't have any motivation to finish it. sigh . . .
@I_Am_Hateful
11 ай бұрын
Dev's nerfing the few good things the game had to do content with before improving and of the bad things that seem plentiful says a lot about how they view the game. glad i didnt give this game my time despite it having my attention before i got my beta access.
@jjqq4116
10 ай бұрын
It's not f2p. It's not interesting looking. It sucks gameplay wise and aesthetic wise. This game won't have a resurgence. They should kill the game and start a new project.
@KillahX669
10 ай бұрын
The game sucks so bad. Just a new version of Dauntless. Hated Dauntless. Wayfinder is Anthem 2023.
@towershieldvt
10 ай бұрын
If Founder's Season 2 doesn't fix anything then the tipping point will be when it goes F2P. Players will gravitate towards the path of least resistance and right now Wayfinder's path is full of obstacles (layers of RNG, lack of serious customization options, no trading, leveling nerfs, etc)
@Sunneyred
10 ай бұрын
You are right on the money, i made a post on reddit addressing a lot of similar points. I said these points months ago and was told to cope, I made a better post a few days ago and people are finally in agreements that there is something wrong. I really want Wayfinders to make it. I want to be excited to play, not just settle for liking it. But right now, it’s just okay.
@Smljhndnsmr
10 ай бұрын
Wayfinder is shaping up to fall to Warframe similar to how Battleborn fell to Overwatch.
@krayzdang
11 ай бұрын
the biggest problem for me is the xp system at the moment. because of the grind to get a new wayfinder/weapon to lvl 30 (without the quests/side quests) i kinda quit the game until resonance is available to use. SO, because of the xp grind, i basically play with 1 wayfinder and 1 maybe 2 weapons..... which lead to bored of repeat gameplay of the same weapon type (wayfinder)....
@AaronBryant
10 ай бұрын
It's like you saw this breakup from digital extremes coming with this video.
@Sinsanatis
10 ай бұрын
kinda lost interest a little before the early access came out. yeah ill try it when its out but it doesnt seem like itll last for me. id say id rather play the last descendant, but its kinda soulless. the last descendants gameplay was ok. it was improved and smoothed a bit this last beta, but the story and acting still feels empty and lifeless. could barely care about it. as of rn tho it seems ill prob play the last descendant more than wayfinder
@jamesmango4478
10 ай бұрын
As much as the game is unfun to play currently, I still see it's potential. The devs just increased all XP gains by like 300% and they're constantly communicating through the discord. I have a feeling the game won't be super popular, but will def end up being a nice warframe alternative eventually.
@RiotRabit
10 ай бұрын
The problem with Wayfinder is its a good game in a genre that has a half dozen greats.
@Fancy_Raptor
11 ай бұрын
The gameplay looks so boring I almost closed the video as a reflex. Yikes.
@MORGATH99
10 ай бұрын
i knew this crap will fail theres nothing new or remotely noteworthy to keep the game alive its just another lame kids game
@duskyer
10 ай бұрын
I am of the opinion that buffs are better than nerfs. You should always strive to make the weak players stronger, not make the strong players weaker so everyone is weak. I have no expectations for this game to do well in the long run if the devs' response to advice or criticism is to ban people from their discord.
@dooder39
10 ай бұрын
0:25 wadda yea mean? Dauntless is still kicking isn't it? For me the list of grind games is: WarFrame, Path of Exile (and Diablo 4 since recently), Monster Hunter (World) and oddly enough Guild Wars 2 also scratches that itch for me.
@RMartian76
9 ай бұрын
I play Dauntless regularly and there are tons of players all the time.
@superskenk
11 ай бұрын
Weird how the same "mistakes" are made over and over and over and gaming communities always accept the "apologies" from studios. Scummy mtx being added into games only to be removed when the backlash is too hot and they've made their quick buck.
@selfimprovement5873
10 ай бұрын
What else should we do?
@mitsuharu1654
10 ай бұрын
it just make me think its a cash grab so not touching it
@dsagent
10 ай бұрын
Like I said in a previous video, the live service model is a massive hit or miss. This year we have been seeing more of an interest in singleplayer. Games with optional multiplayer like armored Core 6 are actually outperforming this cause you can just hop in and out. Grind games might be dying.
@tinchi
11 ай бұрын
9:32 spot-on!
@Glitch0Angel
10 ай бұрын
Someone who has played beta and is playing EA, it definitely needs to improvement and plently of clean up. Inventory is the main issue for me like bot being able to mass craft items or over simplicity, also this is mainly player count but not being able to get anyone for some missions or hunts sucks. Playing a co-op game and not experiencing the co-op is a bit depressing
@RaumBances
10 ай бұрын
I'm hoping for the game to succeed but as of right now, there isn't enough content and there are too many issues. They have my financial support already. Now I'm just waiting for it to get good.
@SuitorASMR
10 ай бұрын
Its the Optimization i can deal with the enemies dealing more damage then they should what i cant is a 2 second long lag that teleports one of these enemies on my butt
@JunkyVirus
10 ай бұрын
Oh what a shocker, called this months ago. Having minimal customization and preset characters, races and sexes doesn't work. Can't speak for the gameplay but that right there has made me not give a shit. And the gameplay looks boring, just bulletsponging spam.
@shaun10767
11 ай бұрын
theyll be back once the updates roll out and announcements flood in granted hopefully they are good updates i have faith they gonna do good
@Nimandrous
10 ай бұрын
Aww I was kinda looking forward to picking this up on Xbox when the exclusivity ends. Same thing happened with that Babylons fall. Game died before Xbox release
@ProtoZealott
10 ай бұрын
The leveling process is too slow to encourage experimenting. The collecting process feels kinda pointless currently, with the new inventory restrictions making it flat out feel bad at times. There's only about 20 hours of content spread across 100. And there's no pinnacle challenge content to push through. The game having low retention makes sense with all those things combined, because even if you can overlook a few problems, what is there to keep you playing after you clear all the current content?
@Vaporvision
10 ай бұрын
The movement and combat just felt too slow. I wasn't interested in progressing even if I liked the systems and concepts.
@Bergensape
10 ай бұрын
I played a bit of the game, and my biggest complain is that they had a perfectly working store for microtransactions and a horrendous release. They focused on the store instead of in delivering a fun experience
@hazembayado9521
11 ай бұрын
This industry REFUSES to learn from past mistakes! The grave yard is full of failed games because of bone headed design choices like these. Nerfing is their answer to everything, nerf weapons, nerf xp gains, nerf character abilities nerf nerf nerf! Are these people even capable of sound analysis? Why do you have to risk putting your game to it's last breath before relenting to the community demands and advice?
@hieroglyph3027
11 ай бұрын
You sound clueless about the problem. Titan's Bane was breaking bosses in a single weapon ability. If they didn't nerf it then they would have to buff every boss' resilience and then adjust every weapon in the game to put them at an appropriate power level. So which solution do you think would be better for the health of the game: nerfing one weapon ability, or changing every boss and weapon value?
@theunhingedgamer3762
11 ай бұрын
why learn from mistakes when the people complaining continue buying games and supporting devs you can sit here and spout this nonsense about the industry not learning all you want but you and many others continue supporting it by buying games from whichever developer so everything you and anyone else says about the industry is highly redundant and means nothing because we live in a day in age where games are all sold as is and then fixed later and regardless of people knowing that they still willingly throw money at these devs
@hazembayado9521
11 ай бұрын
@@theunhingedgamer3762 I actually don't own the game, never played it and now I am not even planning to play it. Other than that I agree with your, albeit grim, assessment
@hazembayado9521
10 ай бұрын
@@hieroglyph3027 I confess that I didn't play the game and don't know the details. I am mainly going with the reviews and feedback I see on KZitem from people who have spent 100's of hours on the game. It's not limited to one weapon. The Steam numbers are enough evidence that whatever their strategy with this game is, its not working
@jagganov
11 ай бұрын
Trust me. The game is dead. And what you really want is "The first Decendant" dont waste ur money on Wayfinder.
@ParafrostV
11 ай бұрын
Wasn't the game going to be free to play?
@callmeachunk0395
11 ай бұрын
@@ParafrostV Yep
@arshaneng3015
11 ай бұрын
I can't trust it yet because is Nexon backing this game
@hieroglyph3027
11 ай бұрын
The First Descendent, really? I must have played a different open beta because it was extremely thin on content. The boss fights were the only good part of the game.
@DarkGarfield83
10 ай бұрын
I have to agree with your video completely. I had a particular issue of my founder pack not being received and they took nearly a whole month to get me all the items and wayfinders i was missing, was an agonizing and frustrating experience. I got all my stuff AFTER they nerfed exp and i have to say, i tried to level Venomess (the wayfinder i actually wanted to play since launch), alone cause all the other people i started playing with had already quit, and it was so soul crushing i just quit the game and haven't picked it up till now.
@alderaancrumbs6260
10 ай бұрын
That sucks so much! I’m sorry…
@TheDarknessVL
8 ай бұрын
I feel bad , it took me 3 hours while it was still the main issue
@trell1011
11 ай бұрын
The problem is the grind is not fun
@lscheleger
10 ай бұрын
The fall of wayfinder is: PVE DESBALANCED, dont have PVP(all MMORPG to sucess in 2023 need PVP, ARENA, OPEN MAP PVP AND GVG, way dont HAVE), game is release IMCOMPLETE, muchs bugs and PVE LIMITED.
@hellonation33
10 ай бұрын
Honestly, I never like the combat. The animations are visually pleasing and look fluid. Highlights: Visuals Boss fights World Events Cons: Multi-player with friends Bland Build Craft Melee feels stiff Long Cool Downs Feels Dead Socially Quest legend lacking Loot UI Glitches Housing is a joke Character movement Slow Loading Times Etc....
@sessxenkay1588
10 ай бұрын
Only that many players at a seasonal event... Big oof. But really bugs me is the graphic. How can a game look like this and still require a GTX 1650 at minimum? Coping with my 1060 which gets carried by my CPU and RAM, so that even Games like Darktide can look good without stutters. I would upgrade my rig for games like Remnant 2 but not for... this.
@casediedwell5094
10 ай бұрын
Followed the development, played in all the alphas and betas... And then it just... sort of dropped the ball. I've gotten 'better' at waiting to play games till they've had some 'time to cook' in EA, and not just dive in yet ANOTHER $20 'paid beta'... And it paid off here. Danged shame, Lads... Danged shame.
@RBRSC
10 ай бұрын
With the full disclaimer that skepticism is fine. It seems like there's just a dogpile to make negative content about this game that is literally not finished (and I fully expect isn't coming in February, probably more like June) UI - yeah, needs serious work. (I mean, its betterr then Destiny's after 10 years, but lets not chase low bars lol) Purple is seemingly the Gloom colour > Idk, I hate to be the "your machine/settings" guy but that triple gloom thing was nowhere near that on PS5 at least, it looks like your gamma is way way up. That said they do need some accessibility or customization options because yeah, the pink/purple threat circles (particularly when you play Pink/Purple Ven or Kyros abilities) is a mess and often get lost in the combat that is also in purple places. Levelling - Bascially not worth talking about until the Resonance, Archetypes, and Awakening systems actually exist. WE know theres consumable XP from the item description (of which most active players have dozens if not hundreds). Archetype would be a very easy spot to slot in "Well you've mastered a sword and shield once, so here's +X bonus to all sword and shield xp to catch up other". And we have literally no idea what the Awakening process will be other then it will open up Echo slots and everyone just jumped out of nowhere on the idea that its going to require releving like Forma. (in their discord they have however made many mentions and there changes to the xp coming as soon as possibly end of week, as well as the bumping up of the resonance system (iffy on that, because the trash UI for echo dust was a result of also bumping up that system) Trading would go a long way (also the store not being a goofy rotation but thats already been stated as being scrapped). That said, opening up trading is also opening up an entire bag of worms regarding policing and enforcing trades, curbing RMT, and all being subject to international laws that are complex and rough to navigate.
@sirtreedom2123
10 ай бұрын
Combat gets boring pretty quick imo. My biggest flaw with the game.
@liphoenixli
10 ай бұрын
Bro the game is boring as shit, I'm still kinda nift that I spent like 60 on the game
@Nokomak
10 ай бұрын
One issue is Early Access. I think they launched it too early, but that's a different matter. The issue is that Wayfinder is using Early Access the proper way, to build the game with the players. Many just buy into it and expect an almost finished game and don't contribute with feedback. The blame is not on A.S. or the players, it's on the industry that rapidly warped the expectations of an Early Access title. Basically Wayfinder is being blasted for being an ACTUAL early access game. Seeing Steam reviews saying "can't recommend in current state" yeah no shit, it's unfinished. Don't hold it to full release standards. Venomess is being advertised in first season as the newest character, but it's actually more akin to a first core of characters. It's one of the first 6. Which speaks to one of my main points. They should've launched E.A. later when Venomess was fully developed as the first rounder it really is, and Grendel being the season 1 character instead. Notice the launch was timed very close to Tennocon. I'm pretty sure the problem is yet another "publisher rushes a smaller studios project to make their game extra padding for their flagship's big event" like "wow all this aaand there's a separate game also out.. woah DE must be rich!"
@Entropydemic
10 ай бұрын
I want more games like Atomic Picnic. How the heck would you define it in shorthand? PVE Bullet Hell TPS? Or I guess I could say Multiplayer-Action-Holocure lmao
@Batboy_915
10 ай бұрын
They didn't explain the tier levels well enough, I was under the impression that if I paid $50, I would be able to play with Venomess because I would have "access" to her. However, I get the opportunity to have to level up the key levels to eventually unlock her. I am now just two spaces away, but its been a slow grind. I can see why people quit. I did for like a couple months and only got back into the game to try out the new stuff. Not many real quality of life changes, we still can't use the promo stuff they gave us in the tier package (like XP scrolls), and the fire world boss is still not back in the game. So the game isn't going to get better until December?
@Ctrl_Alt_Delete_Yourself
7 ай бұрын
This game would have done better if the launch wasn’t so horrid. I got the $150 pack on release and well I just now am able to play it without getting kicked every 20 seconds. Live and learn I suppose.
@Gehshme
10 ай бұрын
Some things to point out I think you get/worded wrong. 24k peak was from dumpster fire of the the launch, which means there were 24k people waiting in the que only to be booted out in next 5 min. Second, progression is so slow deliberately because there are not enough things to do/level up. Lastly you talking about "we have this in warframe" or "it is done better in warframe" do not sit right with me. Warframe is very old game with HUGE money and manpower behind it and was tremendously improved over time. WF at launch was just as rough if not worse than this game. I mean Wayfinder is by no means a good game as of now and I agree mostly with you, just wanted to word my thoughts
@JesseTheGameDev
10 ай бұрын
Isn't this game still in early access and going free-to-play next year? Criticism is good so the game can improve, but I think it's important to frame the criticism in terms of "Early Access". I'm assuming there will be a reasonable influx of players once the games goes F2P. I think they have until then to comfortably fix the issues.
@Nokomak
10 ай бұрын
I think some of this criticism is invalid. I've personally enjoyed that it took long to max my character. The progression feels good in that sense. Thing is people rush too much. But indeed leveling up more characters won't feel as good. But to talk "priorities" is misjudged. Nerfing an xp farm before buffing overall xp gain. I mean an exploit is an exploit and needs to go and wouldn't you rather have more fair and consistent xp gain. I don't think it's about priorities. That's a rather narrow take on it. Buffing xp overall is a whole lot of work but fixing an exploit goes fast. And you can thank DE for the wait on this one too as the main benefit of getting rid of DE is that they're not held back on updating the game whenever they want. DE likes to time their updates too much. And afterwards we have seen AS push updates fast. Content should be first before quality of life though. What is important is that the game feels good to play and it does but it doesn't have much content and that's been the main critique Wayfinder has got actually.
@PAPAGL0CK
10 ай бұрын
Bruh….I hear what you are saying but the game is in 0.1 build. I grew up gaming and that’s how early access and betas are most people never experience it because they don’t do closed alphas or betas. So they literally opened it to the public for early access so you can get ahead while giving feedback. Game will be fixed and things will be added. If you spent money expecting a full launch when it isn’t that’s on you respectfully. Game is stable atm no big issues I’ve experienced which shows a lot of promise. Content is lacking but I expect it to be atm.
@QIDOM
10 ай бұрын
Game had promise…but they’ve squandered it. They communicate like they have a solid fanbase already. The grind isn’t fun. Leveling is atrocious. Quest structure is poor and requires far too much loading. Echo/artifact system isn’t fun to use to make builds. Combat needs tuning. I don’t mind the art style. And no other rewards besides echoes every mission makes it all feel unrewarding. I hope they are sitting on something for S2 cause this right now ain’t it and it is dead before release.
@alderaancrumbs6260
10 ай бұрын
They didn’t just drop the ball. They dropped it, punctured it, set it on fire, kicked it into a hole, buried it and then salted the ground. I gave up on it with the abysmal and…frankly inexcusable…server issues.
@boxofpears2
10 ай бұрын
Everything you said was simply complaining, like... None of those issues, ive had.. LOL- you are the reason games are so dumb down.
@Nokomak
10 ай бұрын
A thing to note is that it's not exactly a hero collection game like you describe it. Though similarities exist, this is not Warframe. This game aspires more to be an actual MMO where you feel the long term progression. It's still a valid way of doing things. WoW has slow progression and GW2 has fast progression in leveling. Both do well. Wayfinder was aiming more to be in the first camp. But alt characters do need a boost, and it is coming... Probably fast too.
@MrSirTacoman
10 ай бұрын
Honestly the WORST part to me is the fact that you can farm accessories you can't even use and this still hasnt been fixed even after, what, 3 months about? Like its actually fairly common late game to be playing only to get a level 31/32 accessory and only being able to equip up to level 30
@paulmartinez9974
10 ай бұрын
I’m stuck leveling. Being so underleveled for the next mission not knowing how to level effectively. Shame I purchased the highest tier founder pack because I’m such a fan of Warframe.
@Chicky2207ify
10 ай бұрын
I just finished the game on ps5, almost all the time I played alone 😢 I am lvl 28, did everything incl. Reaver King and I am so tired of later on content due difficulty and no scaling if matchmaking fails. Also I cant afford single another weapon or class, which is terrible design. Core gameplay is good, but gets repetetive if you cant get new gear without heavy grind.
@XxWolfxWaRioRxX
9 ай бұрын
My biggest issues with the game were the stupid crafting requirements for everything and the lack of skill variety They need full on skill changing systems and echoes that actually change how you play each character it's too, safe RN and for a PVE game that's never good
@Notic.
9 ай бұрын
They should pull a fortnite and make a battle royale with spiderman in it, thats literally the only hope this game has left. Horrible HORRIBLE launch, and when you finally were able to play for 30 minutes before getting kicked off there really was nothing exciting about the game, the game isnt fun lol
@opetyr
10 ай бұрын
Lol once you stated that this is a Digital Extremes game knew it was going to be bad. Those devs could not make a coherent game to save their life. If they wanted to just push multiple things into something and hope that people like it then give it to DE otherwise and just throw it in the trash. They are terribad and haven't listened to players in years. "What was the point of early access" if they are not going to listen to players? Hmm have you played warframe? I was a tester for many of their new Open world areas. they did not listen to any feedback during that time and took MONTHS!!!!!! to actually put it in their thick skull that they needed to fix things. This game just shows you how out of touch DE is in that trading and the ability to trade for plat in Warframe was okay since you could still get the stuff either with money or time. Now it is only just money. Also look at the rating of it right now Mixed is close to a death sentence especially if DE does their normal idiodicy and change nothing. You paid for battleborn. Plain and simple. It will die a slow death. Lol 3 levels of battle passes is just a joke but hey it is DE so it has to be since they are one.
@ArcaneDesperado
10 ай бұрын
I have maxed out two characters. I've gotten a 3rd to level 28. I just cant bring myself to finish it because its so frustrating. I havent even logged in since this latest update because what I've seen isnt enough to motivate me. I cant collect all the items because I'm capped at 100. And don't even get me started on the RNG. I ran nearly 150 gloom dungeons and couldnt get the shrine item to drop. I just stopped caring at this point. I'm hoping that Season 2 brings me back to loving the game, but right now I just have lost interest. Really frustrating given I dropped the $150 at the start because I really believe in the setting and love the art style.
@Arouxayis
10 ай бұрын
I thought i was going to have some disagreements with your points.. but that gloom collapse mutator is hard to look at visually. I mean it's a cool looking effect, but the novelty wears off fast. Some of the mutators are just generally unfun to play against such as mayhem, fire bombs, and eruption where there is too much spam. Especially because mayhem has a chance of giving enemies super armor. Reaver woods area also feels bad. Mainly because there is a ton of shrubbery where you can literally get stuck in while fighting and end up dying because a pack of 5 just spam all their telegraphs on that one spot. You can't tp out into a check point during combat so once you're stuck at that point, you're dead. I'm not a fan of how short the gun clip is either. Having to play the reload mini game sucks in the middle of combat. It reminds of playing Tracer in heroes of the storm because she had the exact same mini game and it was just as bad if not worse. I also find it frustrating that when you evade with daggers and click after, the window for a dash attack seems too long to the point where my character charges back into something I literally just used the dodge for. I know it's going to take some time for them to iron it out but I hope it happens. Game does need player trading.
@WShoup9818
10 ай бұрын
Honestly I'm fine with most things right now until they first deal with leveling. I don't want to grind day(s) for a weapon or wayfinder and than take it several days to lvl them up even with the xp increase it's way too long. Not being able to quickly lvl up and having secondary characters and weapons for fun build kinda killed it for me and I refuse to return until they drop exp scrolls.
@fartloudYT
10 ай бұрын
Seemed like a generic cashgrab that did not even work properly. Really overdone style. Some League, Fortnite, Hi-rez studio bandwagon thing that came out half a decade too late.
@stevenhart442
10 ай бұрын
I'm not going to lie, I stopped playing once i realized just how grindy leveling was. Don't get me wrong, I love grinding, but I'd like to know I'm doing something. Sadly, getting into the game feels a bit painful too, loading screens and the game either crashing or disconnecting is not fun... I have other games I can play that are not broken.
@Super_Seaton
11 ай бұрын
I only played Wayfinder because DE published it. The game never looked good to me. More importantly, it didn't feel good to play.
@Kraluth
10 ай бұрын
They really need xp items done stat. REALLY sucks to unlock a new character, only to realize you have weeks worth of "XP debt" to get them up to the same snuff that your far less enjoyable starter is at.
@Ashgan9
10 ай бұрын
I keep meaning to hop back in but I've been so busy and with an auto kick after 10 min. I'm forced to play something like Siege where I play a short 20 minute match and then I can just leave the game there without worrying about getting kicked.
@Nokomak
10 ай бұрын
The big problem is still the launch. Most turned away because of that and new content is not something they'll even hear about. When you say content didn't bring em back, that's wrong. Most of them don't even know there's new content. For those that do it actually didn't bring them back. But one thing to remember is that it's early access. Most just play til there's nothing more to do and return when there's an update. Few people stay to give feedback and help development.
@chaosSpectre370
10 ай бұрын
I have faith this game will bounce back, but not until after EA is over. Im not paying for a game that doesnt work, and i dont have the time to bother with a game that isnt a smooth experience amongst the current field of great game options, Warframe included. I think if AS want more players, then they should drop the paywall, but being they havent, i assume they know what their doing
@harrisonlichtenberg3162
10 ай бұрын
Wayfinders just doesn’t look fun to interact with. It looks ugly, slow, clunky, and nothing about the combat looks engaging or satisfying.
@MasterRisto
10 ай бұрын
There were SO many issues with this game and it just was a really cool concept that felt poorly excited. Not as much of a let down as Anthem but I think most of us can't help but expect this to end up 6 feet under. I want it to do good, don't get me wrong but it just feels like something old and not new or fresh. Solid video though with very good points.
@joesjoeys
10 ай бұрын
I was in on one of the betas and really WANTED to like the game but it felt so small and slow. The dungeons were extremely repetitive, with several being the same exact layout when it was supposed to be randomized. Thats before addressing all of the many other problems it has.
@Dreadskull91
10 ай бұрын
"The queues have been fixed" lmao yeah I bet, there's no one around to queue up anymore. They botched the launch but didn't botch their monetization store with three tiers of battle pass. Get your priorities straight and players will support you.
@Bohvey
10 ай бұрын
As someone that played during the closed betas, I'm not really shocked. I didn't end up even picking this up based on that experience. The gameplay loop is tedious and boring. The combat is pretty mid and it just feels and looks like it was made to be a mobile game.
@Rostol
10 ай бұрын
I believe queues got better cos no one is playing it. I've liked to like it but the art, the movemements, the look and feel. it's just not for me. i tolerate Torchlight infinite cos it's fast and fun. I might come back for S2 if I see in your stream it's worth it. but idk so far it's been a harsh disappointment.
@Lord_Voridor
10 ай бұрын
The queues are fixed because nobody is playing it, but in all seriousness the game has a really great blueprint. Unfortunately it has huge cracks in foundation that I don't know if they can fix it.
@UmbrasMercy
10 ай бұрын
The lack of modivation i have to play purely due to bad XP is astounding. I can fight alot of poor rng but you cant give new toys to a kid then lock them behind a display case for 0 justifiable reason to them.
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