hey guys!! first of all thank u for the patience, i have been moving house this week so didnt manage to upload until now. i always watch the videos like 5 times in full before i upload and its hard to do that when you're hauling a wardrobe up some stairs. but i hope you enjoy
@koughnut0520
5 ай бұрын
Wow congrats on the wedding! PLEASE take your time burnout is a bitch 😅💛
@zukamimotu..2071
5 ай бұрын
Every video is worth the wait. Wish you the best with the wedding and everything else going on!
@Boba_Baggins
4 ай бұрын
Congrats on moving and gifting the Mermaid's Pendant irl! Take all the time you need! These videos are worth the wait. I answered your poll! But if I might suggest, maybe you make a second series, another video for each character after 1.6 🙊 A big ask! But if you already had the scripts done, and you wouldnt have to spoil the game for yourself……….… 😂 Selfishly i just want as many videos like this as possible 💕
@atomicdiamondx
4 ай бұрын
First off... Congratulations on moving and the wedding!!! If only planning weddings were as simple as in Stardew! :D I am happy that you were able to release a video at all with everything going on, but, really appreciate the update. :) I hope everything goes as smooth as possible -- make sure you're taking care of yourself first! I think your comment on making a big long video is the perfect opportunity to incorporate any 1.6 information that might have been missed. I am guessing at this point that your present analysis of the characters is not going to change much overall, and that any new information you can glean from the dialogue will just serve to further, not contradict, your current content.
@storeboughtramonaflowers
4 ай бұрын
congrats on all the irl progress
@NoThoughtsJustFloof
4 ай бұрын
Something I love about the 8 heart scene is that, even though Haley is getting a love for nature and animals...they're not her cows.They're not even *my* cows. She basically trespasses onto poor Marnie's land to play with her livestock! I know the game couldn't make that scene wait til we had cows, but I love how that little detail almost accidentally shows off how Haley still thinks of the world in quite a simple way, even as she grows up more. Haley wants to ride a cow? She's going to ride a cow.
@joselinlissethgaldamez3667
4 ай бұрын
you had a haley 8 heart event before your had cows? thats crazy
@NoThoughtsJustFloof
4 ай бұрын
@@joselinlissethgaldamez3667 what can I say? I was down bad for the sunflower girl 💛
@catfacethemole9551
4 ай бұрын
@@NoThoughtsJustFloof When are you getting cows?! I get them on spring 1 I thought that was normal xD
@sari9645
4 ай бұрын
@@catfacethemole9551I didn’t get them till the beginning of year 2!
@sophiathefurbst
18 күн бұрын
@@catfacethemole9551how?? you’d have to get a barn and pay for the cows and you only have like 500g
@Tuvella1
5 ай бұрын
totally agree about the 10 hearts scene. So many things indicate that you shouldn't go for the kiss. I think that scene has a poor understanding of the female perspective. if a woman is alone in a tiny dark room with someone there must be a lot of hints that the mood is supposed to be romantic or it comes across super creepy,
@ladyking_thee
3 ай бұрын
Honestly, the whole of how Haley's written gave me massive One Man Sitting Alone In A Room vibes before I even knew it was Eric sitting alone in a room writing her
@Tuvella1
Ай бұрын
also as a ~gay~ and a ~woman~ it was annoying to me 'cause I though I was doing the right thing but the game ended up shaming me! idk it felt unfair(I'm rewatching this video. Haley is my fave
@kyumu
Ай бұрын
@@Tuvella1 as a ✨ gay man ✨ she is also my fave
@gforce6902
12 күн бұрын
I think the thing we’re all forgetting here is that Haley totally has a massive crush on you by this point?? You are literally her boyfriend/girlfriend? Who wouldn’t want their partner to be romantic and kiss them in their dark room? It’s not like it’s an 8 heart event before you even give her the bouquet. It’s really not that creepy.
@sprmssvblckhl
Күн бұрын
@@gforce6902yes, sort of, but she just opened up and showed us her very private hobby. Regardless of who my crush is, if their first reaction after me pouring my nerdy heart out is going for the kiss id just feel used? unheard? while “omg yes let’s decorate!” shows that i actually give a damn about her hobby and i’m not just there to smooch
@Josie-if8lj
5 ай бұрын
I’ve also seen theories that the reason Haley hates prismatic shard is because Emily loves all gems and it’s a gem. So she hates it because she associates it with her sister. (Which is similar to her fruits and vegetables being hated while Emily is very health conscious)
@alannar6189
5 ай бұрын
As someone who has being overshadowed by way of gifts, I think she hates the prismatic shard on principle because it’s a gem and gems are Emily’s thing. She’s the younger sister and doesn’t want to just be known as “oh just Emily’s sister” and it’s important to her to be an individual. Of someone gives you a gift that they would also give your sibling, it feels like they are not taking the time to actually know and care about your likes and dislikes, and therefore they aren’t going to put in the effort to their relationship with you. It’s not that she hates it because she hates her sister, she hates it because she doesn’t want to be her sister in your mind.
@rowanwax
4 ай бұрын
Hmmm, then why does she like diamonds?
@alannar6189
4 ай бұрын
@@rowanwax diamonds are less classically used as a crystal and are more used for jewelry, maybe hee grandmothers bracelet has a diamond in it
@alani_videoeria
4 ай бұрын
Omg yesss this makes so much sense and is gonna be my head canon now
@HopelessJester
4 ай бұрын
Wasnt there a line where she says she doesnt like things that are prettier than her, and thats why she doesnt like it? I feel like i remember this but cant go researching it atm
@Peachysodabum
5 ай бұрын
As an American…I thought that business tax joke was funny because honestly education suffers in the states because taxes don’t go where they should. In Stardew’s case, Lewis makes a gold statue of himself instead of getting the kids new books…
@fionasangster
4 ай бұрын
............ is there actually a gold statue of lewis. have i missed that somehow
@FenrirInFlowers
4 ай бұрын
@@fionasangster - Yes. Secret note 19 leads you to the statue behind Lewis's house. You can stick it around town to mess with Lewis.
@lowkeyfeliks7687
4 ай бұрын
@@fionasangster He collects taxes from every business in Pelican Town once a week except yours. He sends you money in the mail sometimes from "the agricultural fund" (I'm convinced he skims some off the top for himself). He has a solid gold statue of himself that you can put somewhere in the town and if you do it disappears the next day and you get an unsigned letter asking you not to spill his secrets with a 750G bribe. The man definitely runs some sort of money laundering scheme.
@_frogerino
4 ай бұрын
in the 1.6 update, she has a new diaglogue during green rain where she is taking shelter in the saloon and she says she’s never been in here before but it’s cosier then she expected
@lindsaydawson6843
4 ай бұрын
In my opinion, Haley hates the prismatic shard BECAUSE everyone else loves it. It’s a trend, and Haley doesn’t want to be trendy. She wants to set trends. Also, Haley loves clothes and Emily loves making clothes. Haley would have had to have been a model and/or mannequin for her sister at some point. I also think the dialog about saving the seagull at the beach is interesting, because it mirror Emily saving the parrot during her 6 heart event. As for the Flower Dance, it is a fertility rite, but it also shows all of the eligible bachelors and bachelorettes at the same time, which can be handy if you’re a new player. There are other single people there, but they don’t participate. (It breaks my heart every year that Marlon doesn’t ask Marnie to dance. She deserves so much better.)
@kaitlynmorgan4613
4 ай бұрын
no, she follows fashion trends. the theory is believe is that since emily loves all gems (as well as fruit), haley doesnt like it. whatever emily likes, haley wont like. though diamonds are an exception bc ig "diamonds are a girls best friend" or because ppl love it in jewelry (especially wedding rings, though pelican town uses a pendant)
@char932
4 ай бұрын
@@kaitlynmorgan4613 this theory doesn't really work though, since she does like basically every other gem besides prismatic shard
@smcp01
2 ай бұрын
Could just be that she thinks it looks tacky...
@princesskaraplays905
Ай бұрын
i always thought it was because she’s not as superficial deep down as she presents herself, at the end of the day the girl is mildly traumatised by her parents “going on vacation” aka disappearing, she’s coming into herself as an adult, (the following is in my head canon) she like alex is mlm, she’s wlw coming into her sexuality and discovering herself along side that, although like alex & haley functionally are playersexual, she’s just figuring out her sexuality now the new farmer has come to town & is also trying to intentionally create distance from anyone who isn’t her good friend so she doesn’t get hurt again if they left like her parents, idk i just don’t see her as all that superficial deep down
@mushroompoet
4 ай бұрын
the "maybe it'll wash up on another shore" line in her six heart event is what made me start loving haley. i think it says a lot about her that she's not Only upset that the bracelet isn't hers anymore. instead, if it's gone *she wants someone else to have it*. if this special thing that brings her joy is gone, she hopes that instead of laying unloved at the bottom of the ocean, someone else will be able to love it like she did. and i dunno, that just says something about her
@fionasangster
3 ай бұрын
ooh love this analysis!! she really does have more depth than she’s given credit for
@mushroompoet
3 ай бұрын
@@fionasangster truly she's incredible. I'm glad you saw this, I'm so obsessed with that line and I've never seen anyone talk about it
@_marsbars_
4 ай бұрын
an example of on of those ‘morality questions’ i don’t like is one of penny’s heart events 💀 she tries to help george get his mail but literally PUSHES HIS WHEELCHAIR WITHOUT ASKING and instead of telling her off you have to either take her side or find a middle ground and it ends with george apologizing for overreacting which pisses me off 😭😭😭
@fionasangster
4 ай бұрын
that was one of the things that made me wanna make this series lmao, pissed me off so much too
@samster9370
4 ай бұрын
yuh he was overreacting
@skyboy4341
4 ай бұрын
George's a racist tho
@evintyde
3 ай бұрын
I've used a wheelchair for 20 years now, and that scene made my blood absolutely boil and put me off Penny for the rest of the game 😅
@CherryHotSauce
2 ай бұрын
I have a mod that fixes that. It’s called “(CP) Penny’s 2 heart event edit - don’t touch wheelchairs.” On nexus mods
@maybelater2160
5 ай бұрын
I always sort of assumed that the "plastic shoes" line was referring to the farmer wearing wellingtons and she just has no idea what they are. So I guess the makeup version could be similar - Haley's worldview view just does not encompass function over fashion at all
@PolarBearBlue
5 ай бұрын
Of all the Haley deep dives I've seen, this is now my favorite. It's offered some good new perspectives towards her character and I'm happy to meet another Haley stan. One thing I want to add in defense of her 4 heart event (people seem to really hate it) is that the early game of Stardew encourages doing Help Wanted quests. For seasoned players they can speedrun marriage even before the third week of Spring. But if you take your time playing you've likely done tons of these quests before getting to Haley's 4 heart event. Which means you established yourself as a dependable and helpful person in the town. You probably walked into the sisters house to FULFILL one of their quest. So to Haley, you opening that jar is just normal. Like "Oh you got me that sea cucumber I asked for yesterday! Well since you are here can you also do this thing for me?" And your response to her question can be read as you either understanding and accepting your role, or tryna get outta tasks these villagers can't be bothered to do. So when she says she is surprised at your strength it can also be read as annoying to the player, because "Um, I slay slimes and ghost for money every week. I mine, chop, and fish for my nown resources. I manage a labor intensive, giant farm without a tractor every day from sun up to sun down. What do you mean you are surprised I am strong?" To take it further if you look at the "wrong" answer for her 14 heart event, it can be seen as a callback to her 4 heart event. You answer in a way to express you really don't want to do something these villagers can do themselves, but Haley forces you anyway. But whereas before Haley asks you because it's just kinda what you are known as (the helpful farmer), now she is making sure you are still involved with your community. Which I think is nice since by this point you've automated the farm completely and probably haven't look at the board or bothered attending a festival in a while.
@kythefry5738
5 ай бұрын
My theory is that Hailey thinks prismatic shards are tacky 😅 she likes other gems but maybe she thinks all of the colors together clash so she doesn't like it, no matter how rare/expensive it is.
@melsy94
4 ай бұрын
The headcanon I've seen most often on why Haley hates prismatic shards is because there are too many colours in it - it 'clashes' with everything unless your room is a rainbow. I romanced Haley out of spite at first, but ended up falling in love with her, especially as a spouse. She grows so much, and it's just adorable when she says she fed the animals or watered the crops for you. Sweetie, we have sprinklers and autofeeders, but I love the enthusiasm. She's also just so cute (maybe I'm superficial too lol) - that wide-eyed sprite steals my heart, and seeing her blush feels like an accomplishment. Like this girl who was so confident in herself is blushing because of YOU! That's a big deal! But yes, I also love my rude wife, and can't wait to see Harvey next!
@sophiathefurbst
18 күн бұрын
SAME I romanced her because she was mean to me and I saw that you could marry her and I took that as a challenge. like screw you I’m gonna marry you
@Jadisons
4 ай бұрын
Finally Haley lovers get the recognition we deserve
@squigman
4 ай бұрын
The same thing happened to me, I read the “try to kiss her” option as creepy so I didn’t pick it and I had to quit and restart the day because I didn’t want the scene to be messed up
@cass6020
4 ай бұрын
I would read further into the line about not needing you for pickles anymore as being away to show you that she doesn't just think of you as someone who can do her chores for her so she can avoid it. After watching the fight with Emily, she's probably a little embarrassed to be seen as lazy and childish, and the tool for the jar seems pretty symbolic to me
@FenrirInFlowers
4 ай бұрын
I love Haley! Her and Leah are my favorite bachelorettes. They're the ones I most actively befriend in the game. I adore Haley's arc. She opens herself up to new experiences, connects to people around her, and becomes one of the most conscientious people in town. Yet, she doesn't lose her entire personality. She remains sassy and assertive. I get where you're coming from about her 10 heart event getting muddled by mixed signals. I suspect that Concerned Ape was going for her playing coy during that moment rather than being openly blushing. The pauses seem like she could be dragging out the "Um" and "anyway." Round the eyes and purse the lips, and the expression would read as coy. It feels like a case of using a portrait to double for multiple purposes, but it not quite being close enough to work for everyone. The pursed lips would have helped convey the flirting and desire to be kissed. "Try to kiss her" does sound more questionable about her consent, and it adds to the confusion for sure. Her 14 heart event is really wholesome and among my favorites.
@fionasangster
4 ай бұрын
interesting point about the portraits!! v plausible
@EmL-kg5gn
4 ай бұрын
100% agree with you about the 10 heart scene especially about her facial expression!! It’s good that the 8 heart scene includes her interest too. Also agree about blunt vs rude vs mean. About the 4 heart scene - we know Hayley is blunt, or framed more positively she’s honest. After all the hard work you do around the farm you’ll definitely be strong so I think the reason saying yes gives friendship points is because she values honesty. I think to her it’s just another fact, like how you’re not fashionable (but are still pretty) or don’t always smell good. The reason saying no loses hearts could just be because she sees it as dishonest, rather than humble. Or maybe also because if you can open the jar even though you’re not strong, you’re insulting her by implication? But I think it’s more about honesty. If I’m right in assuming the best about concerned ape’s intentions honesty could also be the point/intent behind the 10 heart scene??? Like she wants you to be straightforward about your intentions? That would be more consistent with her character but the way it’s written definitely doesn’t sit right. Also she’s sisters with Emily, I read their conflict as sibling bickering and caused by different preferences rather than one being right or wrong. I actually assumed Emily saying she just wanted to marry a rich man was kinda mean tbh, rather than a truthful statement. Until the 2 heart scene there’s no reason to think she’s messy, you’d expect the opposite. I think Hayley prefers to prevent mess so she doesn’t have to clean while Emily likes to make sure everything’s clean with a routine. Which would lead to Emily doing more work.
@EmL-kg5gn
4 ай бұрын
I also think some people don’t consider how hard it could be for someone with her personality in a small town. Like in her 14 heart scene where she organises a charity event but George dismissively asks if it’s for a new purse. It’s no surprise that she didn’t try to be nice at first if that’s representative of how people see her… I think she’s very creative, she’s obviously gone to a lot of effort to decorate her room in her own style, but people read it as superficial. I also think the player going out of their way to live a lifestyle that was kind of a default choice for others around her prompts her to appreciate things she took for granted. Also for her the city is a fun place where she goes shopping and can find clothes that suit her self-expression, it makes sense that she wanted to live there. Maybe she didn’t know what it was actually like for most people who live there until now? Or just hadn’t considered the downsides? About the prismatic shard, I never thought much about it but it could tie into what you said about her independence. She has a particular aesthetic and they don’t really fit. Maybe it’s a matter of do you really think I’ll like it just because everything else does? Like do you even know me? I also like what someone else said about Emily and gems, that makes a lot of sense
@gumdropgardens
4 ай бұрын
'Ealey and Himily' was actually really nice to the ears ty
@Possumbreath
3 ай бұрын
This is why my favorite rarepair is Haley/Leah. Imagine the two art girls hanging out and talking about self expression and applying to galleries together. Ouuughhh. Haley is my favorite female marriage option thank you for doing her justice
@Drambrarcer
3 ай бұрын
15:05 Hi, I'm a programmer. We usually call these remembered pieces of information "variables", and for games in particular when we use them to decide how the narrative goes we call them "flags". Flag would be the word to use for this purpose. Parameter is actually a fairly more technical word describing how one piece of code receives the data from another, but it's not your fault, it's a common misconception. A more minor nitpick but for anyone interested in some basic programming, "string" just refers to the 'type' of data saved. Instead of a "yes/no" or "true/false" choice (called a boolean), a string variable stores a text input letter by letter. Things like your farm name, pet name and Favorite Thing are saved as strings. You probably wouldn't actually use a string for decisions like Elliot's genre, you'd just record the index of the choice (1, 2 or 3) as an integer (number). Or in languages that have an "enumeration" feature, you could have certain code words (such as the genre name) stand in for those numbers in your code for the sake of readability, without spending extra processing power on checking every letter of that text one by one like you would if you used a string. It doesn't actually take a long time to check that, but data-type is still a decision we're taught to make carefully because a few milliseconds here and there do add up when you have to process a thousand of something while the user is waiting.
@CrowLady0_0
4 ай бұрын
19:09 this is why i really like the George cutscene you get when you do the 12 leeks quest for evelyn. all 3 answers seem like they could be right, but each one gives a very different scene!
@megatrashlord235
4 ай бұрын
I saw someone make a headcanon that Haley was Autistic. And like I know that wasn't the intention at all with her character but like... I kinda get it
@KysEcstacy
Ай бұрын
Ive always seen Haley and Alex as autistic, i dont even precieve alex as rude because im autistc and read it all in a literal sense lmao
@Rileytherealest
Ай бұрын
Her special interest is fashion
@sophiathefurbst
18 күн бұрын
that would also apply well to her picky eating!
@atomicdiamondx
4 ай бұрын
You offered an awesome perspective on dialogue choice that I hadn't considered before. Even if ConcernedApe decides to never further alter the dialogue, there is a massive community of modders for Stardew -- some of which include developing additional/altered dialogue -- that could potentially make the characters more immersive based on your analysis videos. I think your ideas have tons of potential to be valuable to the Stardew community, and as always, I definitely appreciate that you've taken time out of your incredibly busy schedule to offer an in-depth analysis on each character. I love the idea of giving both agency to the character, as well as the player, and Haley seems like the perfect character to demonstrate what that could look like in her heart scenes. Even though I agree that her dialogue choices could be better, I do adore her progression. I also enjoyed your perspective with divorced Haley -- I wondered if she just moved on because she never cared about you that much in the first place, but what you said makes more sense, because I think she'd still be spiteful/mean of being divorced if she had decided to revert back to that hollow shell. I think it also works because in a bunch of ways, she's the opposite of Emily -- between gemstones, food, etc. So, to me, it tracks that: When you meet Haley, she's used to hiding her true self -- when you meet Emily, she's used to being expressive and open. When you divorce Haley, she's open-minded, and when you divorce Emily, she closes herself off. Thanks again for your deep-dive on Haley! I'm looking forward to your big compilation video! xo
@fionasangster
4 ай бұрын
thank you for the wonderful feedback! ❤️
@lilaott6495
5 ай бұрын
i can only read emily with your voice, you’re quickly becoming my favorite person to watch
@gumdropgardens
4 ай бұрын
"I'm a farmer now, too" 🥺🥺🥺
@gumdropgardens
4 ай бұрын
Girly pop is reading quite autistic to me. I will absolutely admit I'm possibly projecting.
@eebatron8266
4 ай бұрын
ive always poerceived haley as just a straight... air-head? so yeah, she's self-centered, but whenever i read the "mean" lines i always heard them more of just her being..... "blonde", not even realizing she's being mean
@chaoticenbybard6699
4 ай бұрын
Right I also thought she was weird too "like why are you smelling me"
@Unicus_Felicus
4 ай бұрын
51:07 " I don't care if they arrest, I'm gonna keep defending Haley." OMG! I love your humour! 😂
@cass6020
Ай бұрын
The cake walk event makes me really want to see some permanent schedule changes based on your spouse (although I don't know what some of them like Penny would change). Can you imagine an annual cake walk? Monthly boys gridball night and Emily visiting Sandy? Or an annual spouse event like going to a game, going to a concert, visiting the beach, etc.
@swordboii
Ай бұрын
It’s not as much of an event but the closest thing I can think of is Abigail visits the mines on rainy days after her 10 heart cutscene!
@sophiathefurbst
18 күн бұрын
Penny could visit her mom?
@battlebardart
5 ай бұрын
I saw this pop up and quite literally yelled out "Oh Let's fuckin' GOOOOOOO. Absolutely adoring your videos and your style! Thank you for making these and can't wait to see more!
@naki051
5 ай бұрын
First the love of my life Elliott AND my mean wife Haley?? You're the best omg
@annepandesal
4 ай бұрын
haley stans rise up 🙌 loving and defending her till the end of time i love your deep dives !! i think its so fun to see that yes on the surface she and her sister are opposites, like looking at their likes dislikes etc. but really theyre quite similar in the way that they are both sure of themselves as a person but realizing that they could find people who bring them happiness and help them grow in a way. learning to be more open to other people aww its a shame she and alex dont see each other as potential friends for real, i like to think they are however in canon, yeah 😔. it would be cute if she wanted to ecpand her horizons too and explore his interests and he hers as you get closer to her appreciating her character more so and seeing another perspective (which i find myself doing through all your deep dives :3) and yeah !! shes rude and blunt, not particularly mean acts of service :D lmfao her telling you to sleep in the dog house >:/ i love her ♡♡♡ the community reference pfft. also yeah her 10-heart scene...that was.. whew her divorce line ough ... :') oh haley 🥺
@lqmons
4 ай бұрын
MY PEOPLE!!
@m.m.davidson1299
4 ай бұрын
For the 4 hearts scene, if u respond no to being strong I feel like it could also be taken as Haley not liking your lack of self confidence! Then going on to make u prove yourself wrong
@Eva_R966
5 ай бұрын
Omg the cody ko cameo felt like you were reading my mind
@Idontgiveaduck
5 ай бұрын
Girl, I just had probably one of the worst days in a long time. Seeing this pop up as soon as I opened youtube put the biggest smile on my face. Your videos always make me smile and just breathe for an hour. You have no idea who I am but having this hour to listen to you talk about stardew was just what I needed. You are a wonderful content creator, congratulations on your upcoming wedding and your move. ❤
@fionasangster
4 ай бұрын
aw this warms my heart! hope you have a better day today ❤️
@hambone.fakenamington
5 ай бұрын
i really like how you always match the character’s you’re talking about, it’s very cute and I really like your sweater vest this vid! perfect choice ☁️☀️
@HamiGirl1
4 ай бұрын
i love haley :] I really appreciate her depth, and i also just think it's funny when characters are just so bluntly rude to us LOL HARVEY!!! I'M EXCITED FOR NEXT TIME!!!! jklfsjdklfdsj crying at the image you picked to pull for him 😭😭😭 i love my nerd husband LOL
@RazorRevenge
5 ай бұрын
I can’t wait for Shane 💜
@koughnut0520
5 ай бұрын
Sameee 😭 I think she said he'll be last though 😫
@Mjumiman
25 күн бұрын
Agreement regarding the 10 hearts scene. It would read totally differently if the choice said something like "Offer a kiss". Something that doesn't read as pushy. The way it's written, the result is just kind of frustrating. I'm watching all of your videos while drawing, really enjoying your thoughtful analyses on these characters! Your enthusiasm is coming through, plus it's giving me an update on how these heart scenes were changed/elaborated on since way back when I played the game.
@Jusuuw
4 ай бұрын
I instantly fell in love with Haley when I saw her! And then it turned out that she would be one of the best choices to go to. Love your videos, found you 2 days ago and i watched all of your videos and i'm so happy that you uploaded a new one so soon!♥
@KatouToast
24 күн бұрын
I was definitely not into Haley at first, but I grew to really like her character. It was nice to see she became more open-minded, BUT I 10000% agree with you about the 10-heart-event. I was definitely NOT getting the vibe that she wanted to kiss in that dark room you DEFINITELY have her cornered in. And I also agree that if the way the options were worded was a bit different, it wouldn't be so bad. Possibly some of that on my end was that a heart event with Leah was on my mind, and the "Try to kiss her" rang too much as a creepy move instead of something that she actually was wanting. Cuz, like I said, you DEFINITELY have her cornered in that room. And also you mentioned that she specifically didn't invite you over for that event like so many other 10 hear events. This one, you surprise her by showing up. It's not like we can read her mind, but... it is after you have given her the bouquet, so your intentions are clear and she accepts it. I dunno, I guess it's a problem where it's a conversation in a video game. Some of the subtext is lost, but the character images are supposed to help there. I agree with you, they should have used the blushing face instead of "concerned" or whatever that other image is. In the end, though, it doesn't have a huge impact, but you do miss out on a nice moment with your mean wife if you pick "wrong"!
@KayAstray
5 ай бұрын
I love this series so much! Excited the most for my faves Leah and Harvey
@beebop1402
4 ай бұрын
Haley is such an underrated character and you definitely did her justice! but also unrelated, y’all have no idea how excited I am for Harvey’s video
@1lina9
2 ай бұрын
fully agree on the 10 heart scene fiasco. i also picked the “wrong” option and i was so confused afterwards 😭😭 it just seems creepy to me, yk? and the thing is, considering her life and background you could assume she’s been in a lot of situations like that before, where maybe she didn’t realize someone was being creepy towards her but it actually was since she never explicitly consented. and maybe since she’s still kind of “young” and “sheltered” she didn’t understand that? and maybe the farmer showing that it’s not right to kiss someone in a dark enclosed room without their permission could help her realize that maybe she actually did prefer decorating the room over the kissing? and maybe after they finish decorating she apologizes for being annoyed and then she asks for/initiates the kiss? i think that would be a great way to handle that scene and add very important subtext to her life in general
@princesskaraplays905
Ай бұрын
that’s a lot of assumptions, your already dating her by 10 hearts, to even see that scene you have to have given her a bouquet, the kiss seems natural and she makes the hint that it’s what she wants besides the fact that she grew up in stardew valley which doesn’t have a lot of residents & i doubt she’s been alone in a dark room with someone in zuzu city 🤷🏻♀️ also her darkroom for photography was almost brand new during the 10 heart cutscene right? if i recall correctly she makes a point to say “what do you think of my new darkroom” at the start of the cutscene so it’s not like it would have happened with another villager in the darkroom, i have serious doubts she’s overly used to creeps but i don’t doubt she’s encountered them, but the thing she seems more traumatised by is her parents being gone 🤷🏻♀️ i’d imagine a girl who’s been sexually assaulted biggest trauma would be that if it had happened
@1lina9
Ай бұрын
@@princesskaraplays905 again, i think that would be a good way to handle it and add subtext to her character, so yes i am assuming-more like creating fanfiction. personally, i think if they went that route with her event it would mean a lot, say a lot, and do a lot. but also i didn't specifically mean things have happened to her in that dark room, or dark rooms in general, just her experiences in life. most characters in SV have something to say about their past, i've always felt like there should've been more with haley's, and this could've been a good way of handling not only her arc, but also a very important issue in general. also a dark room is a very delicate place, the slightest thing can ruin a photo, if i was her i would not want to be doing all that in there 😭😭
@princesskaraplays905
Ай бұрын
@@1lina9 i can agree with you :) it makes sense to me, a lot of what i said i try to base in facts but some of it may be my headcanon mistaking itself as fact, i have no doubt haley has encountered creeps especially outside the darker rooms (i can think of 3 in the valley of the top of my head, lewis, clint & pierre, because fuck pierre) also yeah i can’t imagine wanting to kiss someone in a dark room 😂 but it’s stardew logic, we can enter a girls dreams, i think kissing in the dark room is the least weird thing, hell even with haley the weirder thing is then end of her 8 heart event “im gonna go take a shower” bitch where 😭 we don’t have bathrooms in the valley
@1lina9
Ай бұрын
@@princesskaraplays905 LMFAO, real. i mean yeah, i don't think anything in haley's story now hints towards sexual trauma, but if it did-and was handled well-it would be good representation. i just crave good representation for this kind of stuff in media cuz its so rare, ykkkk! so that's why i have a tendency to read into characters like this, sometimes longing for the missed opportunities of what could've been 😭
@earth2tonez
4 ай бұрын
gah i already loved haley but this made me love her even more. youre so thorough! i’m gonna go binge all the other ones lol
@stellamuka1087
5 ай бұрын
Went through all your deep dives after seeing Elliot’s. I don’t play the game I just like going through rabbit holes. And I must say this rabbit hole was better than expected love it here keep up the good work and cozy vibes❤️
@sonyam2397
5 ай бұрын
"Frictionless". I thought no way that's accidently said. Good on you and amazing use.
@Captainn4t
5 ай бұрын
What's funny is I never really liked Haley that much to begin with until a guy friend of mine told me that he stans her. He likes mean girls though, and being pushed around. Now I just find her funny xD
@sleepypyromancer7899
4 ай бұрын
You did actually change my mind! I've never romanced Haley, but I might have to give her a shot now
@ICantPronounceThatName
5 ай бұрын
Please keep your fidget toys as part of your branding. I think it's great! And now to consume the content. I did a playthrough once where I was married to Haley, and Alex was still going to her house even when we were dating! Do you think I was being shaded on the down low? I'll smack that boy with his own gridball! Dropping in with an edit to say that I also made the wrong choice in the dark room. I thought the right choice was to help decorate the room. I of course missed the visual queues (as I mentioned in Emily's video, I am completely blind), but the tone of the text didn't lend itself to a romance moment. It felt forced and unnatural. Does KZitem let you make videos longer than 12 hours now? I never knew!
@fionasangster
5 ай бұрын
i def will! if i dont have something to fidget with i will just tap on the table which messes with the audio lol. lol i have no idea about the video limit tbh maybe it can be in 2 parts!!
@silversugar2140
4 ай бұрын
If you do split it you could organize it by bachelor/ette. @@fionasangster
@eternalenigma1628
5 ай бұрын
I love your assessment of the 10 heart scene! While I love Stardew Valley, I think the game generally has issues with consent. Without actual eye contact and body language, it's hard to tell whether the characters are giving the nonverbal "I want to be kissed" signs, but we also don't get the chance to give or ask for verbal consent.
@Jaysil2
2 ай бұрын
These videos are so good!!! I think “consent” is the thing missing from the phrasing of the 10 heart scene
@dalalal-shemary3358
4 ай бұрын
I started playing Stardew Valley for the first time ever recently, and I’ve been completely enthralled to the point where when I’m not actively playing I’m watching videos. I’ve been avoiding anything with too heavy spoilers but I discovered your video on Elliot and since I figured I’d never want to romance him myself I may as well watch the deep dives, and I’m doing that with other characters I have 8 hearts with but didn’t want to go on to marry. I absolutely adore your videos, the way they are structured and your explanations plus insight on the dialogue. You are truly one of my favorite comfort creators now and I’m so happy to have discovered you and your channel.
@dolfuny
2 ай бұрын
Second character I ever married. Was going for lesbian enemies to lovers thing and it was fun and I ended up really liking her journey. She was also the first person I ever had kids with and well, I hated my demon spawn and instead of making my kids disappear I just started a new farm Edit: not both of us loving our mean wife who is rude to us sometimes but we like it lol. And idk she did end up marrying rich😂
@fermentedstrawberry
5 ай бұрын
IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS ONEEEEEE haley my beloved. Genuinely obsessed with her
@juul-fuul
4 ай бұрын
thank you for doing haley justice! i love her she doesn't deserve the hate, she's definitely one of the most misunderstood characters imo
@smalswald
4 ай бұрын
I would love to see what 1.6 added to Haley since ConcernedApe added a bunch of new dialogue. I am a new viewer and I already love you! I love your content style and the mix of explaining the game design as well as the character themselves. Congrats on your move!
@pipdavidson6965
24 күн бұрын
I’m back in my Stardew hyperfixation, too, and I put on your videos while I play it. Your content is such a joy, you’re a ball of sunshine and also have wonderful insight into these characters. Thank you for making these!!
@dumbdumpling2348
5 ай бұрын
Long live the queen Haley! My gosh I almost never comment on the videos due to being rather shy but I fell in love with your videos (Especially the Elliott one, it was my first video of yours that I watched). I would love if you did deep dives into undateable characters too one day. it's so nice to hear you talk after a long day!
@fionasangster
4 ай бұрын
aw thank you!! i’m shy too haha i appreciate the comment!! i’ll totes do some undateables, i am very reluctant to stop making these videos, they are my favourite thing in life rn
@dumbdumpling2348
4 ай бұрын
HELL YES WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Remember to have fun and stay hydrated though! I'll watch every one of those videos happily!
@swordboii
Ай бұрын
Definitely agreed on the 10 heart cutscene! It always makes me think of Leah’s 2 heart cutscene where you have the “(creepy) May I have a kiss?” option. Understandably there, the player is punished by losing friendship and getting attacked. IMO it’s easy for someone to have seen the option in Leah’s heart event and then think (creepy) whenever trying to kiss anyone in the future. At least it has no effect on friendship for Haley.
@engelberthovel8566
3 күн бұрын
I always figured the reason she doesn’t like prismatic shards is the same reason she doesn’t like diamonds, it’s that she feels like you’re trying to buy her off like in the scene with the bracelet, and it’s kind of an early indication that she doesn’t WANT to be materialistic, even if she kind of is at first
@meggnoggs
3 ай бұрын
I’ve really been liking this series! It would be cool to hear more character analyses from like more narrative driven games. Like persona (5) + your discussion of characterization through choice etc. or more bg3
@mariecarie1
Ай бұрын
Interesting take on the divorce dialogue…I guess I’d always interpreted it as Haley withdrawing and going back into her cocoon. “What? I’m fine on my own, whatever. I don’t need you, farm boy.” That sort of thing. Like she’s immediately shut back down into a more protective mode and shows the same rude indifference as before. But her not having marriage wedding levels changes things maybe. Idk
@Bansheeea
4 ай бұрын
As a Haley lover and defender for years, this was the video I needed 🌻
@FlorPudding
4 ай бұрын
I was looking forward for this!! I didn't actually care much for Hailey, but seeing this video just made me feel a lot for her, she's so sweet after she goes through all that development, I love that.
@venusbarbie
4 ай бұрын
So many valid points!! But what if you look at the 10 heart scene as her attempt at initiating a kiss, rather than actually caring about her room. She doesn’t indicate she needs your help, she goes “LOOK at my dark room…soooo…what do you wanna do?” 👁️👄👁️ 💧This pairs well with your assessment of her being more introverted and being used to pulling people in rather than seeking connections. Like you said, she’s used to people coming to her…so maybe in her mind it’s like ok, this is the perfect “kiss me” set up and when you don’t read her mind as you stated she’s kind of like ??? This could also explain her concerned face “is this going to work, I’ve never had to try” I do agree that the word “try” does give me ick vibes…but if you see it in that light it feels more like the farmer is picking up on subtext. Maybe it implies she’s still learning rather than the moment being contradictory to her growth? 🤔 Guys am I doing mental gymnastics for Hailey? 😂 Also BTW LOVE this series, love deep dives this 🥰
@fionasangster
4 ай бұрын
mental gymnastics are the name of the game!!! lmao v interesting take!!
@kennedykatherine4079
5 ай бұрын
Maybe do like a lil compilation of the 1.6 update with time stamps for each person? If it's significant enough to justify. I haven't played enough to determine.
@silversugar2140
4 ай бұрын
Seconded!
@helloofthebeach
2 ай бұрын
I really liked the rude/mean/blunt trichotomy. I've always described her as "thoughtless" but I think that's a better breakdown. The introversion thing is really interesting to me, though, because the "mean girl" stock character she resembles is usually very extraverted, and I wonder if that expectation gets held against her, like she could only be deliberately snubbing the player, rather than just being preoccupied in the way plenty of other characters are on day one. Most of the marriage candidates are tied to one stock character or another, and they always deviate into something unique,, so it's a little sad that a character might be discounted by players because she deviated immediately instead of waiting for four hearts. Now I'm wondering if it's appropriate to label her as a "mean girl" at all.
@helloofthebeach
2 ай бұрын
This is absolutely mind reading on my part, but I'm convincing myself that "mean girl" wasn't the actual intention for Haley, and that she was supposed to be a more general "sheltered/spoiled rich girl", with her derogatory comments being intended as "uh, okay" moments and not insults, but these traits aligned in an unfortunate way that made her read like a different, much less pleasant archetype. But the "mean girl" character is centered around enforcing social hierarchy and, as rude as Haley is, she never even comes close to doing that. She never tells us to get lost, and she even asks us totally reasonable questions (even if she does lose interest before we have a chance to answer). I think the makeup comment makes much more sense as unfiltered rambling from someone who doesn't appreciate that her actions impact others, rather than a statement about pecking order, because she doesn't actually care about that and never did. We only assume that's what she's doing because we're starting at "mean girl" and working backwards, and the reason it's so ambiguous is because we're asking the wrong questions. (I do think it's really funny that we've been arguing for literally years about what she meant when she probably forgot she'd said it as soon as she finished the sentence.)
@plumiplum
4 ай бұрын
you definitely changed my mind about haley!! ive been watching/listening to all your sdv deep dives since i found you and i really love them all- u make great work !!
@ROBZOMBIEENJOYER
4 ай бұрын
I love all of these deep dives! They’re so fun to see and learn more about the characters, I’d love to see one of Shane (don’t judge me haha), or even Harvey! Take your time with these videos, because we’ll know it’ll be amazing once you release it!
@tggfhater123
4 ай бұрын
i've never understood the love for shane but the hatred for haley in the stardew valley community. i mean, they're both mean towards you at the beginning, but a big difference between the two in my opinion is their growth. shanes heart events give off sad, hopeless, and very much 'i can fix him' type energy. he doesn't /really/ change all that much from what i see. he quits drinking, but what does that do? you shouldn't have to /save/ your future husband from suicide. haley's heart events are more lighthearted, and while deeper events may be preference, it haley grows into a kindhearted and caring person throughout her events. she starts caring more about people/memories instead of materialistic things like clothes and makeup. after marriage, (assuming you have children) he calls them brats and puts in minimal effort with them (and his room is disgusting..) and haley shares responsibility with the player with household duties (i.e. preparing for winter,) and if her and the player have children, she quickly fills the role of a good parent. idk, maybe this is bias.. maybe it's just because i'm tired of bad people (..mostly middle aged men.) being praised and put on a pedestal because they're 'fixable' or 'hot.' - murphy
@callie6245
4 ай бұрын
LITERALLY I cannot stand the fandom bc of this
@fionasangster
3 ай бұрын
yah she gets too much hate! i am a shane defender but a haley defender too! u cannot love shane without loving haley it is against the rules
@MarlaAndRubyT
Ай бұрын
I always take the clean under the couch cushions job as something that’s deliberately meant to represent the easiest, quickest chore a person can be asked to do, and Haley is still complaining about it anyway. Like, she won’t even do the bare minimum to help her sister
@engelberthovel8566
3 күн бұрын
I think maybe the reason she doesn’t like when the player says they aren’t strong, is because she was trying to be a lil nice/flirty and they wrecked what she was doing by being self-deprecating. It’s like that vine that goes “why can’t you just take the freaking compliment”. But I think your point about her relationship to strength is still true and very interesting
@avaraedickson
5 ай бұрын
the joy i felt when this finally popped up this morning 😩😩
@PirateFrodoPotter
4 ай бұрын
First, this series is fantastic, love that you’re doing it, and please don’t stress about uploads in this busy time of your life!!!!! Also wanted to say, even without marrying Haley myself (yet), I always appreciated her growth through her 8 heart event! She was someone I did ignore for a while since she’s so mean/ ignores the player at first, but her gradual growth made me appreciate the 8 heart (and even the subtle dialogue changes before that) SO much more!!! And finally, I would have made the same choice as you in the 10 heart event, so this is good to know for if I ever do marry her lol
@grey7070
5 ай бұрын
i was neutral on haley but now.... i love her! i am very curious to see a supercut maybe with 1.6 dialogue additions? (im a console player so idk the scope yet) also videos on the town events would be fun!
@lowwoutchea
23 күн бұрын
53:41 "Try to kiss her" gives Elliot vibes lmaoo
@commandernici
4 ай бұрын
i'm really loving those deep dives
@sunny_sketches
4 ай бұрын
how dare youtube not reccomend me this channel sooner! im so excited to watch all these videos :)
@starryazura
5 ай бұрын
you have such a warm and inviting personality! its a joy to watch your content and im super excited to see what else you'll do with your channel!! i await the sebastian deep dive... that one will surely blow up
@olive1274
4 ай бұрын
everytime you open up your pointer stick i think you're using a taser and it jars me out of my daydreaming. i really do like listening to you talk about stardew valley, and your voice is really soothing. you could probably release the audio for these videos in podcast form or just start a podcast in general.
@FlamingoSugar
5 ай бұрын
Another lovely video! And I didn't realize that my two favorites (Haley and Harvey) are right next to each other! So excited to see the next part! Keep up the great work! :D
@bananers8655
4 ай бұрын
I adore your videos so much, and appreciate how much love and effort you give these videos! YOU DESERVE ALL THIS SUPPORT GIRL! Also you have absolutely changed my feelings on Haley, I never got too far in her heart events, I was so pleasantly surprised how kind she turns out to be. KEEP UP THE AWESOME WORK!
@nursegerard
2 ай бұрын
your analysis about haley's ten heart scene totally changed my pov on it!! i also thought it was a bit odd, but the way you described it made me... sad almost? like, shes so used to people wanting her in a physical/superficial way (sorta like how she always prioritized physical appearances/attributes and superficial qualities) so she assumed that the way to express interest, love, and affection was by someone kissing her w/o asking in a dark room, rather than trying to engage with her in her outside interests and hobbies. LIKE... LET US CARE ABOUT YOU HALEY!!!! thank u for this
@redwood34
4 ай бұрын
I LOVE Harvey I can't wait to see your deep dive on him, and the potential shade and pointing out his flaws. I also have never romanced Haley because I never realized just how realistic and deep her character growth is, so I think on my newest playthrough I will!
@addiet4340
4 ай бұрын
I LOVE THIS VIDEO THIS HAS TOTALLY CHANGED MY PERSPECTIVE OMG
@Glotzie1
5 ай бұрын
I love stardew valley, thinking way to much about characters and worlds I love and these long videos. Your channel is literally the perfect combination for me! I'm so glad this video found its way on my KZitem homepage!
@roibenr
Ай бұрын
Just want to say the accuracy of the way you put on the hearts is so oddly satisfying and I have no idea why.
@AlisonWonderland96
4 ай бұрын
Considering I’ve already watched the playlist several times, I’m v hyped for the eventual supercut with bonus content 🥰 congratulations in advance for your wedding!! 💖
@ciraa
5 ай бұрын
i love haley sooo much
@ayshagayle
4 ай бұрын
Harvey is next!!! I can't wait he's my favorite!! But even though i still find Haley to be kind of vapid i like learnung about he. I appreciate these dives so much
@juuniri9842
3 ай бұрын
Love love love this take on Haley!! She’s so sweet if you give her a chance! My theory on her not liking Prismatic Shards is that she grew up rich and could always have what she wanted as soon as she wanted it, so such a coveted gem to other people is sort of boring to her. She also seems to prefer items that the player has to work for, like baking her a cake or going to a different biome for coconut or taking the time and effort to grow sunflowers for her. Even with her likes, the player has to search for and pick the forgeable flowers and gather honey from a bee house. Like she really enjoys that the player has the desire to make her happy. My theory is shattered by her liking diamonds though, so I’ll adopt the Emily theory hehe
@grey7070
5 ай бұрын
A morning upload! (For me) Can't wait to watch later!
@rebeccamiles4041
4 ай бұрын
I've been working on this super frustrating project for work and I've put your deep dive playlist on while I work and your voice has soothed so much of the stress of this project and I am not only making it through this super mundane project but learning so much about character development from one of my favorite games, so win win! Thank you so much for this!
@ReareaGirl
5 ай бұрын
When I saw this on my feed I loudly exclaimed YESSSSSSSSSSS. I was so bummed when I went through all of them last week. Lovely to see a new one! :)
@queeky-ish
5 ай бұрын
The way I dropped everything when I saw you uploaded
@casey6533
22 күн бұрын
fiona i cannot even begin to explain the joy your videos bring me! They're such comfort content, please never stop
@pancakesmakes
4 ай бұрын
Amazing job as always. Again, your deep dive made me think about this character in a new way & like them a bit more (like with Alex). Seeing all her different dialogue together & your more gentle perspective on them got me thinking. It seems like Haley could be interpreted as being neurodivergent in some way. She has trouble with social cues/politeness, says whatever is on her mind without considering others perspectives, has a hard time focusing, needs lots of stimulation or else she gets bored, often has her head in the clouds/not paying close attention, struggles doing things outside her comfort zone, sensitive to temp changes/different foods/etc. This is similar to her sister being "odd" as well, although in slightly different ways. Where Emily embraces that she's different & steers towards the more "woo" stuff, Haley was taken up by the "popular" crowd because she's seen as stereotypically/traditionally "pretty" & is into more mainstream stuff. I'm still not a huge Haley lover but I definitely have more of an appreciation for her now.
@KristallOjeda
Ай бұрын
"Pupa vibes" "Pupa in the chrysalis" 😂 The way that you're so funny without even trying while keeping me engaged the whole video I love this so much lol
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