Had the battle of Jutland been an overwhelming victory (German retreat gets cut off) how do you see it impacting the rest of the war? Does Germany consider a negotiated peace or does the war continue as historical?
@lukelee5385
Жыл бұрын
When it comes to the protection of wing turrets vs centreline, I am thinking if a ship had a main belt that is slightly thicker near the centre (i.e. HMS Indefatigable), would that balance out the reduced hull space in front of it?
@monke9742
Жыл бұрын
How likely was it that Roosevelt intentionally let pearl harbour happen so that the US would join the war?
@nikujaga_oishii
Жыл бұрын
Why did everybody go for max firepower at the expense of armor when they build 'treaty' heavy cruisers? Did anyone consider a design that perhaps eliminate one turret and use that weight to put more armor on, maybe to resist 8" shells? especially given that 6-gun design like the York also exist (albeit that was an attempt to reduce cost), wouldn't 3 twins or 2 triples (all forward) be feasible?
@michaelpiatkowskijr1045
Жыл бұрын
In regards to the if a warship engaged in action during shakedown, where was HMS Prince of Wales when she engaged Bismarck?
@bholdr----0
Жыл бұрын
This makes my Sunday a good day, each week... It's like Church (which I also enjoy), but without all of the formality and non-naval preaching (re: preaching in church l: I suppose is kind of the point ..) Cheers, Drach!
@taivaankumma
Жыл бұрын
The Finnish submarine Vesikko is probably not quite what people usually think of when they think of U-boats, but it was the prototype for the Type II boats and used by the Germans for some hush-hush training during the summers of 1933 and 1934 and it can be visited in Helsinki.
@903lew
Жыл бұрын
Is that the sub in Sveaborg?
@taivaankumma
Жыл бұрын
@@903lew That's it.
@seppiya7470
Жыл бұрын
A "Frankenship" of two separate classes was the Soviet destroyer Storozhevoy (Project 7U), which had its destroyed bow (including forward armament and bridge) replaced by that of an incomplete Ognevoy class destroyer (Project 30).
@jonathanstrong4812
Жыл бұрын
Or the two pieces of the pre world war 1 destroyer-class which who was being the first Tribal class destroyers Nubian and Zulu which who was wrecked I guess they needed ALL Royal Navy warships damaged or wrecked not withstand So Heeeer H M S Zubian! Crazy innit?
@88porpoise
Жыл бұрын
Both Zulu and Nubian were WWI Tribal Class destroyers.
@Scootero
Жыл бұрын
I wonder… is there a guide on IJN Ryujo? Haven’t found one from this channel.
@kemarisite
Жыл бұрын
39:14 I am reminded of USS Meade engaging in gunnery exercises against the beached Japanese supply ships during the morning of November 15, 1942.
@Alex-cw3rz
Жыл бұрын
43:41 was Prince Of Wales on a shakedown cruise / something similiar at the Battle of the Denmark Strait, and her 3 hits on Bismarck did force the Bismarck to a abandon it's raiding mission and head back to port
@dougjb7848
Жыл бұрын
PofW wasn’t quite on a “shakedown” cruise, but she very much did have civilian engineers aboard working 24x7 to get all main turrets and 14” guns working properly.
@Claymore5
Жыл бұрын
Wonderful drydock Drach. I totally agree that Aquila was the best of the carriers featured - after all her design was sound and the Regia Marina had been looking to develop carriers since the early twenties and (although never having the money - there's a surprise!) had worked their way through the design process on several occasions. The Aquila's problems would only have begun when she entered service as there is some dispute as to whether the air group would have been controlled by the Regia Marina or the Regia Aeronautica. The Macchi 202 Silurante torpedo strike fighters would have been a very interesting proposition though.
@hmsverdun
Жыл бұрын
Nubian had her bow blown off and carried on merily sailing. So the precendent was set for the WW2 Tribals in advance then (for anyone asking look up HMS Eskimo).
@Hendricus56
Жыл бұрын
43:10 Plus when you visit U-995 in Laboe (different town at the mouth of the Kieler Förde where U-995 is) you can also visit the Naval Memorial on the other side of the road which not only has one of Prinz Eugen's screws (one of the few easily reachable artifacts from Hood's final battle) but also a bunch of ship models (and I mean a lot) in one of the buildings and other stuff there alongside the view from the main building since its a tall tower on a small costal hill. I advice to pick a day with good weather though to not get wet while having a look
@dannyelkins2814
Жыл бұрын
Bearn is still on of my favorite carriers😅, the emotional damage of bearn being so lambasted is......un-bearn-able
@dougjb7848
Жыл бұрын
Sorry it pains you when people bearn that ship so hard.
@notshapedforsportivetricks2912
Жыл бұрын
As the scots would day, "don't be such a baby"☺️
@stuartwald2395
Жыл бұрын
When it comes to a reason for renaming a warship, there is no better "teaching case" than in 1660 when the NASEBY sailed from England to the Dutch Republic to pick up a passenger, and suddenly the ship became the ROYAL CHARLES for the trip back and henceforth. Her luck thereafter would be both very good (Battles of Lowestoft and St. James' Day) and very, very bad (the Medway Raid).
@emm4rmstrong
Жыл бұрын
Fun Fact. The dutch flag ship possibly sunk by HMS Royal Charles, the 58-gun Eendracht, was renamed twice. Originally called Eendracht, she was then renamed to Prins Willem while the guy who first named named her was away for a month. After he returned and "merely expressed his amazement", she was renamed back to Eendracht. She saw initial success against the Swedish in the Northern Wars, before having her magazine explode during the Second-Anglo Dutch War, leaving 5 survivors of a 409 man crew.
@ghost307
Жыл бұрын
"If you can survive Chicago"...great description of my former hometown.
@johannderjager4146
Жыл бұрын
You made the right decision leaving that crime-ridden schitthole.
@frankbodenschatz173
Жыл бұрын
Yes, but our 3 years in Blue Island and Tinley Park were fabulous, 🎉though!
@stevevalley7835
Жыл бұрын
If you look at the actual data, the per-capita murder rate in Chicago is well below that of several other cities. Two factors lead to the media hype and hysteria: Chicago has a large population, so there are more murders in total, and many members of the media have offices in Chicago, but not in the other, more violent, cities, so it is easier for them to cover violence in Chicago. So far, for 2023, Chicago ranks 10th in per capita murder rate, behind such garden sports as St Louis, Baltimore, New Orleans, Detroit, Cleveland, Kansas City, Memphis, and others. No, I am not a Chicago resident. I live in the burbs of Detroit.
@ghost307
Жыл бұрын
@@frankbodenschatz173 Tinley Park is a very nice place to be. Blue Island, although nice, always struck me as just a teeny bit crowded.
@rootbeerpoptart
Жыл бұрын
Former hometown? I didn't know you could change that. Were you reincarnated?
@keithrosenberg5486
Жыл бұрын
U-505 is a marvelous display. You can pay a little extra for the inside tour. They also have the 4 rotor enigma in display along with torpedoes, periscope and other things. They also have some items from the Task Force that captured 505. And they have the Apollo 8 capsule in the MSI as well.
@mikhailiagacesa3406
Жыл бұрын
I guess the IJN could have called the 'New Battleship' "-Sumo's", but I think the Japanese would not have minded them being called Dreadnought's. They respected the RN at the time and would view it as a 'stamp-of-approval' from the world's most senior navy(and a current ally).
@dougjb7848
Жыл бұрын
5:40 Well, at least _Satsuma_ put the fore funnel aft of the foremast / forward gunnery spotting platform.
@cnw5330
Жыл бұрын
Regarding frankenships, apparently the Soviet cruiser Molotov (a Kirov class) had its damaged stern replaced by a stern coming from an incomplete Chapayev-class cruiser.
@DeliveryMcGee
Жыл бұрын
Dreadnought was a confluence of a badass name and so many advancements in technology all at once that there wasn't a word for it. Wasn't the first time the name of the first ship of a revolutionary new design gave its name to all others in the same style after it -- nobody says "armoured ship with a single turret mounting two bigass guns," do they? No, that's called a monitor, after USS Monitor. Turret ships in general were called "monitors" until "battleship" became a thing.
@dougjb7848
Жыл бұрын
23:32 I think an argument could be made that Deutschland’s bad luck started when she was renamed to Lutzow, lending credence to the claim.
@nektulosnewbie
Жыл бұрын
If Dreadnoughts had become Satsumas someone would have almost immediately concocted a joke connecting them with Satsuma oranges.
@lexington476
Жыл бұрын
1:44 that totally gave me Game of Thrones vibes. The first of her name 🙂.
@ph89787
Жыл бұрын
16:35 Alternatively Shinano gets spotted by aircraft and goes the way of Yamato and Musashi in being dog piled by Task Force 38/58.
@glenchapman3899
Жыл бұрын
Yeah definitely. The Japanese were on a hiding to nothing by that stage of the war.
@papajohnloki
Жыл бұрын
Shinano was the most useless ship of that class - a true distinction considering the failure of her sisters in the combined battles of leyte gulf.
@briannicholas2757
Жыл бұрын
At least we can be thankful that at the time of construction, HMS Dreadnought was named HMS Pinafore....
@michaelkovacic2608
Жыл бұрын
Regarding German salvo patterns, I do think that firing the fore and aft turrets seperately in half-salvoes wasn't just what Bismarck used, but what was common doctrine in the Kriegsmarine. Besides redundancy, that's pretty much the reason why the Germans stuck to a layout with 4 turrets, even in their later designs, such as the H-class battleships or the M-class light cruisers.
@rashkavar
Жыл бұрын
Regarding long distance micromanaging, there is *one* case I've heard of in WWII where it worked out well, but that's a case where it was literally asked for: At some point in the Battle of the Atlantic, there's a case where the German U-boats were trying some novel strategy. An escort spotted a U-boat keeping its distance and behaving in ways it wasn't familiar with, sent a message over to the ladies who were war-gaming out U-boat strategies back in England, they managed to work out why a U-boat would be operating in this way, reported back its intentions and a recommended counter-strategy and successfully prevented whatever it was that it was planning. Granted, this is a half-remembered account of a story told by Lindybeige, whose enthusiasm for British history is largely untempered by a critical eye, so this could be a legend of some kind. (I'm certainly curious about the long distance radio communications with any part of London's array of intelligence teams, given the UK's rather strict adherence to keeping operational secrecy and the inherent limits of radio in the days before satellites, for example, but I don't know enough to solidly rule it out based on this.
@Dave_Sisson
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, that persons enthusiasm is also unfettered by things such as the facts, if he needs something to fit in with a scenario, he will occasionally make things up. So he's a pretty unreliable source. But Drach also covered that occasion in his videos on Western Approaches Command, (or something similar, I forget its precise name).
@SynchroScore
4 ай бұрын
@@Dave_Sisson Western Approaches Tactical Unit, which also took the crest of HMS _Tactician_ that showed a chessboard with the pieces in checkmate. Read a book about the unit, A Game of Birds and Wolves by Simon Parkin. Very interesting, how they developed wargaming and simulated exercises to develop convoy tactics and submarine countermeasures. Supposedly in development as a movie, which would be pretty spiffy.
@blackcorp0001
Жыл бұрын
No 1 Naval Channel on KZitem and in the World
@andersmusikka
Жыл бұрын
Another ww2 submarine is the "Lembit" on display in Tallin, Estonia.
@graveyard1979
Жыл бұрын
MN Se Débrouiller a.k.a. Béarn is so much of a test bed of a ship I don't think she's comparable to carriers that were seriously intended to become operational carriers. I don't think anyone was seriously expecting for her to be fully operational carrier with full air wing. It's more of an afterthought about what to do with this hull.
@RobJaskula
Жыл бұрын
U-505 is simply a fantastic exhibit. Highly recommend doing rhe walk through; the engine room still smells of diesel
@scottgiles7546
Жыл бұрын
It's good to know Chicago has revived its (19)20's reputation. St. Valentines Massacre anyone?
@johnnash5118
Жыл бұрын
The most egregious example of a military frankenship was the USN conversion of the battleship USS Oregon BB-3. She was an 1895 vintage museum pre-dreadnought moored in the Portland, Oregon waterfront from 1922-1942. The USN fooled the citizens of Oregon that donating her for the Pacific war effort was more honorable than keeping her intact; she was towed to Kalama, Washington and stripped down to her keel relegating her as an “Ammunition Barge.” USS Oregon (the drydocked likeness that Drach uses in his Drydock episodes,) was the “Coastal Battleship” that made the epic 14,000 mile voyage from San Fransisco, down S.America, around the Straits of Magellan and up to the Caribbean Sea to engage the Spanish “fleet.” The USS Oregon’s voyage was the final impetus in the construction of the Panama Canal. Only pieces of her remain in Portland’s Waterfront Park.🙁
@SCjunk
Жыл бұрын
Probably if Satsuma had been completed before and much earlier than Dreadnought -chances are Dreadnought would have leapfrogged to the super dreadnought configuration of the Orion Class but perhaps still with 12 inch L/45 cal. possibly having an advantage of weight saving for 10 x 12 inch /45s with a similar armour basis to Dreadnought.
@dougjb7848
Жыл бұрын
Dreadnought could not have completed with 13.5” guns unless her building were delayed by several years. It takes almost as long to design and proof a new battleship-caliber naval weapon as it does to build the battleship itself. The Orions were the first to use the new gun, not because the RN chose not to use them on an earlier class, but because they weren’t ready until the Orion design was finalized.
@SCjunk
Жыл бұрын
@@dougjb7848 I specifically said an Orion with 12inch /45 cal guns and same armour standard as Dreadnought. Read what I said -the leap to 13.5 inch would have come later as it did in actuallity. Significantly Orion and Dreadnought shared the same idiotic mast layout.
@Tuning3434
Жыл бұрын
Well, it is not only the superfiring front turrets that classify a make a ship a super-dreadnought. It is also very much the application of 12+" sized guns AND adapting fire controll to actual full superfiring ability, which was not a thing the RN was considering before Orion.
@whyjnot420
Жыл бұрын
Just a random thought on nomenclature. Back in the mid to late 90s you did not have an FPS game, you had a Doom clone. Or you might have had a 'corridor shooter' if your particular Doom clone was feeling spicy. It took until the 00s before FPS had completely taken over (which in turn left terms like corridor shooter and Doom clone to refer to very specific types of FPS). Going from 'like that other thing' to 'certainly-not-actually like that other thing' to having a name that is independent of both the initial game that garnered attention and the early style/aesthetic. addendum: Its not as if Wolfenstein 3D & Doom invented the genre, but without doubt they are what first put the genre on most peoples radar back in the early 90s. The evolution of the description/genre from Doom clone to FPS gives insight into how a similar pattern could have developed with the nomenclature of dreadnoughts.
@dougjb7848
Жыл бұрын
1:35 Also, in 1905-6 the world still very much took its cues from Britain, and in naval terms even more so. The Anglophile nature of so much of the world, and the navies that sailed it, would probably have put “dreadnought” over the finish line first, even if _Satsuma_ was the first warship of the type.
@kemarisite
Жыл бұрын
@57:11 What was the latest and greatest material for kinetic energy penatrators in WW2 was tungsten, and even that was much scarcer than standard steel APHE shells, and as far as I know tungsten never even made it into warship shells.
@backinblack03
Жыл бұрын
Satsuma; battlecitrus
@Sakai070
Жыл бұрын
I wouldn't call this the shakedown Cruise but during the transit from the east coast of the US on their way to the Pacific my grandfather's destroyer did engage what they thought to be a German U-Boat near Bermuda. There wasn't a real slick that came to the surface and some debris but they were never given credit for the kill so he never knew for sure if they got it but he always thought that they did I think anyone would.
@dougjb7848
Жыл бұрын
36:28 They wouldn’t have used _Lion_ for shore bombardment. Too much worry about mines and subs to risk the last battleship. She would have gone straight to the Pacific to be Vian’s flagship.
@Tuning3434
Жыл бұрын
Normandy was arguably one of the most cleaned out stretches of seaside real estate, maybe even better than Scapa herself. So having a few extra big guns and some home area practice wouldn't be the worst idea. RN isn't historical shy of taking some risks either.
@mcpuff2318
Жыл бұрын
With regards to frankenships, the two sisterships Klas Uggla and Klas Horn, a pair of swedish destroyers, were both sunk during the Hårsfjärden disaster. After raising the wrecks, the two were combined into one operational desteoyer sometimes referred to as "Horn Ugglan"
@mhmt1453
Жыл бұрын
The guy who wrote “Leyte Gulf,” Mark Stille, doesn’t think Kurita wouldn’t have had much to gain for breaking into the invasion beach anchorages. I tend to agree. According to Mr. Stille, three waves of invasion troops had already been landed, and the supply ships were, for the most part, empty. There were approximately: 3 command ships, 28 LSTs, and 20+ other freighters, etc. lingering to the north of the gulf. Had Kurita kept coming on, he may have done damage to these ships; perhaps sunk many, but then both the 7th fleet warships steaming north, and Halsey’s 3rd fleet steaming South would’ve caught him between. Task Force 38.1 was already on the way, and as it is only missed Kurita by a few hours. He (Kurita) was already dealing with something like 200 planes attacking him throughout the morning, but it’s certain far more-this time armed with anti-ship munitions-would have paid him far more unpleasant visits throughout the day. The Japanese had used up a significant portion of their ammunition, and while 7th fleet was similarly handicapped after its ambush of Southern Force, the mighty 3rd fleet (and especially our boy Ching Lee’s battleships) had plenty of shells. Stille said that in a post-war interview, Admiral Kurita confided that he did not want to throw away the lives of his 15,000 men for a bunch of ‘empty transports.’ In his book, Mark Stille neither condemns Kurita’s decision to disengage, nor Halsey’s actions for “taking the bait” of Ozawa’s carrier force to the north. He claims that it was Kinkaid’s responsibility to monitor the San Bernardino Strait, and that Halsey was operating on an unspoken directive by Nimitz to aggressively seek out the Japanese fleet (after Spruance’s reluctance to comprehensively defeat it in the Philippine Sea). What he does fault Halsey for (and I do agree with this), is for not bringing to bear his full might of naval air against Kurita when he had the chance. In either attack, only a couple hundred planes sortied out of the more than 1400 he had available. While they managed to sink the Musashi, a lack of coordination among the attackers left Kurita’s force mostly intact. I’m personally critical of Halsey for the typhoon debacles, but I can’t say I blame him for the “Bull’s Run” thing. First of all, the command structure for that operation was abysmal. Halsey answered to Nimitz; Oldendorf answered to MacAuthur; while Kinkaid was not authorized to communicate at all with 3rd fleet. Secondly, Halsey knew what kind of flak Spruance got for not chasing after the Japanese four months earlier. It was Halsey, and he was determined to destroy the Japanese fleet. At this stage of the war, the Japanese had changed their codes so that the Americans didn’t have the same advantage as they did for Midway or Coral Sea. The only reports of Japanese fleet movements came from Darter and Dace, when they spotted the Center Force. Ozawa’s carrier bait didn’t pop into view until late in the ballgame… and Halsey didn’t know it only had 100 planes. People look back on that battle (or rather, series of battles) with 20/20 hindsight, but for Kurita, through the smoke-screen laid by the American destroyers, the rain squalls over Taffy 3, from the bridge of his flagship it must’ve been quite difficult to see what was developing. He knew Nishimura was wiped out. All these planes were buzzing like angry bees. I think you even mentioned that up to this point the Japanese had no idea what escort carriers were. In hindsight, his destroyers did a terrible job screening, yet his cruisers managed to chase down Taffy 3’s carriers. If Kurita doesn’t recall those cruisers, and retire, probably all six escort carriers go down. If Halsey leaves a constituted Task Force 34 to guard the Strait, we get the scenario you mocked-up: Yamato v. a couple of Iowas and SoDaks. If Mitchner’s air groups coordinate better-or at least spread the love, and put more than one bomb on Yamato, instead of focusing on Musashi-maybe Kurita doesn’t turn around. If my aunt had [testicles], she’d be my uncle! I love the channel. I’ve been studying World War 2 since I was very young (I’m 57 now). My mothers uncle Eddy was aboard USS Wasp during the war, and lived through the typhoon that folded her flight deck. Those veterans were my age then, and all of their stories impressed me. Even so, I learn so much from yourself, and a few of your other guests. Your knowledge of ship design, capabilities, and construction adds a whole other dimension to understanding that conflict, that even my uncle Eddy could never provide. Thanks, Drach!
@EK-gr9gd
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for mentioning U-995!
@eskhawk
Жыл бұрын
"If you can survive Chicago"...Grat one...More true than you imagine
@bkjeong4302
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for answering both of my questions! And man, was Graf Zeppelin a horribly designed carrier. I expected Aquila to be the least bad design, but Shinano actually comes out as being significantly better than I expected….which is a big surprise.
@scottgiles7546
Жыл бұрын
Horribly designed? But it's German, they don't do horrible just "overly complex". (Please adjust your statement...)
@JohnRodriguesPhotographer
Жыл бұрын
The biggest danger for a destroyer in severe weather were live depth charges breaking loose. Figure the speed needed to use the stern racks is around 20 knots. Destroyers aren't capable of doing 20 knots in severe weather. Also you have on starboard and port side 350 lb roughly depth charges for the k guns. All these charges should be safed. Prior to the ship getting in those kinds of seas they should have been rendered safe. The idea of a few of these getting loose on deck and rolling around is pretty frightening just from the broken bones they can cause or deaths.
@michaelimbesi2314
Жыл бұрын
With regard to how much damage the Center Force could have done, if they had gotten there it would probably have been pretty bad. The outcome could well have been something along these lines: Center Force shows up and proceeds to destroy the remaining transports and shell the supply depots on shore. Then, they basically fire all of their remaining high explosive shells at the troops on shore. The Japanese were often able to wait out American shore bombardments because they had had months to dig massive systems of deep bunkers to shelter in. The Americans on shore haven’t had that luxury. So the American soldiers on shore are subjected to a massive bombardment that kills or injures a significant part of the landing force, defoliates the landscape, and demolishes whatever cover they’ve built. Being human beings with ears, the Japanese soldiers on the other side of the front line will have noticed that this large bombardment is happening and will have recognized that this their own Navy bombarding the Americans. So whenever the fire stops, either because Kurita orders the fleet to cease fire or because the US battleships finally show up and the Center Force has to focus on fighting them, the Japanese soldiers on shore then do the logical thing and launch a massive assault on the landing force. Since the landing force has already taken severe casualties from the IJN bombardment, morale is low. Additionally, the Americans now have almost no cover, ammunition, food, reinforcements, or medical supplies. While the US Navy smashes the Center Force, the large scale assault by the Japanese Army effectively drives the Americans into the sea, and almost all of the landing force is killed or captured. For the Japanese, the Battle of Leyte Gulf is a Pyrrhic victory. For the Americans, it is a bloody defeat and it will take the Americans the better part of a year to replace the men and transports lost during the attempt to land troops on the Philippines. The loss is severe enough that Halsey is court-martialed for failing to protect the landing fleet. During the court-martial, he is heavily criticized for running off after Japan’s carriers, since it is obvious to everyone in the courtroom that the Great Marianas Turkey Shoot had effectively destroyed the entirety of the Japanese’s carriers’ air wings already. The court-martial determines that Halsey should have known that the Japanese carriers no longer posed any threat and shouldn’t have even bothered to chase them. Mick Carney is also very heavily criticized for the same reason. It’s also clear to everyone present that Halsey should have left the fast battleships to defend the land forces. His confusingly-worded communications about his come under heavy scrutiny. And the period of 3 hours and 15 minutes between when the first signals demanding help reached him and when he actually turned around is the subject of intense scrutiny. Halsey’s conduct during this period is described by the presiding officer as “indefensible”. The court-martial also criticizes what it considers the Navy’s excessive focus on aircraft carriers and underestimation of the danger posed by battleships. Eventually, the court martial hands down its verdict. Halsey is stripped of his rank and dishonorably discharged. Mick Carney is moved to a desk job and will never set foot on a ship again. And the president asks for the resignation of Ernest King because of the whole fiasco. The reputation of carrier air power suffers badly, and the careers of many of the more prominent carrier admirals like Mitscher never fully recover. Congress comes to view this disaster as a consequence of the Navy’s laser-like focus on carriers both causing them to underestimate the danger of surface combatants and causing them to forget their actual mission of protecting seaborne supply routes. As a result, after the war Congress follows through with the prewar plan to consolidate all branches of the military into one command structure, and Navy is rolled into the Army command structure as the Naval Corps. The Marine Corps is rolled into the Army, with their officers becoming Army officers of equivalent rank. Naval aviation is rolled into the US Army Air Corps, with pilots being referred to by Army ranks instead of naval ones. Additionally, Congress requires the military to retain a substantial force of battleships for shore bombardment purposes. The Army treats these as floating artillery, and construction of new battleships continues after the war, continuing into the present day with both heavy guns and armor and very substantial missile load outs, typically displacing roughly 125,000 tons and driven by nuclear power. These ships are part of the US Army Naval Corps’ Seaborne Artillery Division. After the war, several of the older Essexes were expended as targets in Operation Crossroads, including Yorktown, Hornet, and Lexington. Some of the newer or refitted ones survived longer, as did many of the battleships. Kearsarge, Boxer, and Bunker Hill ended up preserved as museums, as did California, West Virginia, Texas, and all of the fast battleships.
@thehandoftheking3314
Жыл бұрын
American adventures in Vietnam etc would be vastly different in this senerio. Good alt history that though mate.
@bkjeong4302
Жыл бұрын
While I do concede that Center Force continuing on after Samar would have resulted in significantly higher casualties for the Americans, I still doubt it would result in the outright failure of the Leyte landings: - The biggest problem is that Centre Force is rather likely to run into the rest of Seventh Fleet (which, if I recall from the Samar video, was already trying to intercept Kurita by that point, and I’ve independently found documentation of Oldendorff trying to intercept Kurita on Oct 25 as well) after going through Taffy 3; Taffy 1 and Taffy 2 would also be in play, and while I do have doubts that the two remaining Taffy groups could wipe out Center Force (they’d have rearmed with torpedoes but don’t have enough Avengers to do the job), they could certainly cause significant damage via air attack (especially considering how Suzuya, Chikuma and Chokai turned out to have gone down historically), and they’d also make things a bit easier for the main body of Seventh Fleet. Even if they don’t outright stop Centre Force, that’s going to affect Japanese morale (especially since the Japanese crews would have been awake for over 24 hours non-stop by that point) and buy some time for other American developments (elements of Third Fleet showing up and/or ground operations and any ongoing reinforcement landings responding to the threat). - Assuming that Centre Force actually gets to the landing area, they have to choose between going after the transports or going after the already-landed forces (or they could split their force which introduces its own problems). Assuming that they go for the transports, it’s likely that the units not already landed by that point would have been ordered to leave the scene on their transports until Centre Force was dealt with, leading to Kurita being sent on another wild goose chase. Of course, considering that even the slowest ship in Centre Force (Nagato) was capable of 25kts the Japanese would still be able to chase them down or intercept them, but this could easily keep their focus away from the already-landed forces and pin them in the area for long enough for Third Fleet to show up. There’s also the question of if the forces and supplies that had already been landed wouldn’t be able to hold out against the IJA for longer than it would take Centre Force to be killed off (yes, Kurita could go after the already-landed units and supplies first rather than transports, but I’m getting to that) - Instead of the above scenario, Center Force could choose to shell the already-landed American forces and especially their supplies while ignoring the transports, which would likely be worse for the Americans than him going after transports; however, that would still take significantly longer than sinking them while they’re still on their transports and I have doubts about the Japanese being able to destroy everything before they themselves get wiped out. The Japanese were also significantly worse at shore bombardment than at naval gunnery (this has been cited as one of the reasons why Operation MI was doomed from the start) and have no real fire support doctrine. - Even if the Americans lose much of their supplies, the IJA isn’t exactly well-supplied itself. The IJA is also going to be operating under American air superiority (again; Taffy 1 and Taffy 2 are still in play, and the Japanese airfields in the Philippines were running out of fuel and skilled pilots this late into the war, hence them being used for kamikaze attacks from this exact date onwards), and we’ve already seen on Guadalcanal (albeit with the USMC and not the army) that even undersupplied American land forces don’t do that badly against the IJA due to IJA equipment and doctrine being just that badly outmatched. The Americans also have some armour support ashore by this point (albeit they could have been destroyed by shore bombardment), which is going to be superior to the Japanese armour support. - The chances of the IJN and IJA being able to cooperate effectively is…nonexistent. Not only that, there was little effective communication between the IJN and IJA (or even within the same branch of the military) during the Leyte Gulf campaign-for all the IJA knows, the bombardment they’re hearing could be American fire support rather than the IJN. Things would be significantly bloodier for the Americans (and for the Japanese) but I doubt they’d be able to actually stop the land campaign, probably would delay land operations by a week or so.
@user-lr6ie4wx4q
Жыл бұрын
Something to consider is. Do we really think the escort vessels stationed offshore in Leyte Gulf would have fought any less valiantly than those of Taffy3. There were large numbers of DDs and DEs in the area and all would have thrown themselves at the Center Force. Facing these numbers of vessels I think Kurita would have lost control of his vessels even faster than he did against Taffy 3 and the losses to the invasion supply fleet would have been much less than some have projected here in this forum
@bkjeong4302
Жыл бұрын
@@user-lr6ie4wx4q That’s disregarding air attacks from Taffy 1 and 2, which would make things even worse for Centre Force (and historically did during Samar).
@egoalter1276
Жыл бұрын
Taffy 3 had no business succeding in that fight. They should have been swiftly and woth no casualtues sunk to the last ship by all sane estimations. But such is the nature of real battles, highly unlikely outcomes sometimes come to be. But in our speculations we cannot take them as basis for reasonable prediction. That is the sort of wishful thinking that leads to what the russians are currently experiencing.
@Bidimus1
Жыл бұрын
On ammo rolling about... It's not THAT the wind is blowing, it's WHAT the wind is blowing. Ron White
@mikepette4422
Жыл бұрын
didnt you just do a drydock last sunday ? Its almost like you do this every week ! 😉😉
@redactedredacted4080
Жыл бұрын
17:23 one thing I can see her doing is sparing Saratoga from crossroads.
@ph89787
Жыл бұрын
Go through Admiral Halsey’s memiors. He was not happy about Saratoga being blown up at Bikini Atoll and was glad Enterprise didn’t meet the same fate.
@ROBERTN-ut2il
Жыл бұрын
1-Other names for Dreadnoughts = Fisher Type Battleships 2 - Shinnano - Would have had a tremendous impact - on the bottom of the Pacific 3- The “other Carriers” - Top to bottom Aquila - Fast, 51 Aircraft, 6-135mm and 12-65 mm AA guns Shinano - Fast, big and with a tremendous AA battery by IJN standards, (16-5 inch DP) but 47 aircraft was anemic Graf Zeppelin - Fast and that's about it. 42 aircraft was anemic for her size. 16-15cm (5.9 inch) guns wasted tonnage that should have been used to increase the air group. The USN, IJN and RN had all gotten the message that the aircraft were a carrier's main battery., the KM was where they were in the late 20's. (USN was stripping the 8 inchers from the Lexingtons in favor of 5/38 DP). 12-10.5cm (4.1 inch) should have been plenty Bearn - Passed over as she was a 20 year old conversion. Really no worse than HMS Eagle. 2 knot difference in speed, 8-155mm and 8-75mm AA guns vs 9-6 inch (152mm) and 5-4 inch (102mm) AA guns, yet the RN employed Eagle as a first class carrier 4 - Shakedown Cruise - HMS Prince of Wales wasn't on her shakedown, but still had dockyard hands aboard trying to make the guns work reliably when she sailed to fight the Bismarck 5 - Accomodations - Until my dad made Petty Officer Third aboard the USS San Jacinto (CVL-30), he slung his hammock in a passageway and lived out of his seabag like his professional ancestors on the USS Constitution had a century and a half earlier. But RHIP and when he made Petty Officer, he got a bunk and a locker. 6 - HMS Zubian - Sank a U-Boat after the surgery. “While in the Dover Strait on 4 February 1918, she encountered the mine-laying U-boat UC-50, which was surfaced about 400 yards (370 m) off Zubian's port bow with her radio antennae up. Zubian attempted to ram the submarine but the Germans managed to submerge. The destroyer then dropped depth charges over the submerged U-boat and a significant amount of oil and wreckage was observed thereafter. Zubian marked the location with a buoy and an hour later, the patrol vessel HMS P12 dropped additional depth charges there. Trawlers later located an object that divers confirmed was UC-50. Zubian also participated in the First Ostend Raid two months later on the night of 23-24 April. The attack was intended to close the German-held ports of Ostend and Zeebrugge, which were being used as bases for the U-boats.[12] Zubian was assigned to the bombardment force, and along with the destroyers Mentor and Lightfoot, provided the close escort for a group of six monitors. The bombardment unit was covered by the Harwich Force in the Channel.[13] The bombardment force was tasked with suppressing the German coastal defences,[14] while a pair of old cruisers attempted to steam into the harbour entrances, where they would be sunk as blockships. The effort failed when both cruisers ran aground far outside of the harbour" 7 - Funnel bands - WW1 Capital Ships = www.tapatalk.com/groups/warships1discussionboards/rn-funnel-bands-t41889-s10.html Introduced in 1925 for destroyers - Flotilla leader = 4 foot band on fore funnel Division leader - 2 foot band on for funnel Black for Med Whilt for Atlantic Flotilla bands = 3 foot bands on after funnel Fiirst = 1 black Second = 2 black Third = 3 black Fourth = none Fifth = one white Sixth = 2 white 1935 Second became 1 Red Eigth = 1 black over 1 white 1937 Second = 2 red bands Fourth = 1 white Fifth = 2 white Sixth = 3 white Single funnel Flotilla leaders = 3 foot band over flotilla bands Division leader = 2 foot wide 6 foot long vertical band The final system before WW2. First = 1 red (G Class) Second = 2 red (H class) Third = 3 red (I Class) Fourth = none (Tribal Class) Fifth = 2 black (K class) Sixth = 1 white (Tribal Class) Seventh = 2 white (J Class) Eighth = 3 white (F Class) Ninth = 1 white over 2 black (V&W Class) Seventeenth = Red over two white (V&W Class) Nineteenth = 1 white over 1 black (V&W Class) Twenty First = 1white over 1 red
@scottmason2557
Жыл бұрын
thanks for answering my question Drach
@adamalton2436
Жыл бұрын
Chicago isn’t half as bad as it is made to be. I’ve been visiting U-505 since I could walk. Museum of Science and industry also has one of two surviving JU-87 Stukas.
@LudensP
2 ай бұрын
There’s unfortunately a question missing from the index. The question on 31:36 is actually about moving ammunition down to the magazine during typhoon Cobra. The HMS Lion question starts at 34:33 .
@Alex-cw3rz
Жыл бұрын
12:00 what is the spiked ring half way up the gun closest to the camera?
@dougjb7848
Жыл бұрын
No idea. Drachinifel, call for you on line one. Drachinifel, line one please.
@leotoro51
Жыл бұрын
I don't know what's wrong with the sound, but there is an awful kind of reverb in the background or someone is doing some construction work. It can be heard best when "question from viewer" is readded.
@dougjb7848
Жыл бұрын
I don’t hear it.
@agesflow6815
Жыл бұрын
Thank you, Drachinifel.
@vincentlavallee2779
Жыл бұрын
I have to basically disagree partially with Drach's analysis about the battle of Leyte Gulf at the US landing site. Kurita could have wrecked of the supply ships and depots that were there, but after 4 full days of unloading, there was probably a lot of supplies and soldiers that landed already. Keep in mind, that the US was a master by this time in the war with supplying and unloading equipment. The return of the 3rd fleet would have annihilated Kurity's force if he stuck around for just a few hours.Had it Japanese bombardment been bad, the US would simply have shipped more supplies and men, so perhaps delaying the Leyte invasion by a few days. Also, I have seen a documentary that was all about why Kurita pulled out 'early'. It included an interview with Kurita himself. Basically, here is what I remember him saying: (1) He was afraid the big US fleet had not taken the bate and was present, basically because they all over rated the ships they saw, (2) He was late about 4 -5 days, so he questioned the effectiveness of destroying the landing craft and some shore bombardment in the first place, (3) He did not want to annihilate all of his men, which he figured would ha[pen if he stuck around. He was right about #2 and #3! On another point, I had heard that the Price of Wales was not brought into service with the proper time to get the ship into fighting shape when it went to it doom in the Pacific, short on drills and war tactics and testing all of the ship's functions. Any comments? Depleted Uranium is simply taking out the U-235 isotope (very radioactive uranium - used for making atomic bombs) and separating it from U-238 isotope (very low radioactive uranium - cannot make a bomb with it since it is much too low in radioactivity, and is not particularly dangerous). It was not used by the US army until the first Gulf War in 1991, but probably tested for something like 10 years before. The reason for using it in the first place is that it is much heavier than lead (atomic number 206 vs, uranium at 238), and thus produces a much more powerful projectile and a lot more damage.
@Drewmikola
Жыл бұрын
Depleted Uranium 16" shells sound absolutely awesome. It's unfortunate (in a way at least) that the world will never see battleships slugging it out with DU shells.
@keith6706
Жыл бұрын
DU shells for a warship are largely pointless.DU tank shells are penetrators, in that their purpose is to put a hole in something with the added benefit that they shatter and catch fire. Against a tank, that works fine because the crew is largely in a single small compartment, as is the ammo and engine, so a single shot that penetrates is almost guaranteed to do something that will take the tank out of action. DU is used because the density means you can use a smaller projectile carrying the same mass, thus creating higher pressure at the point of impact increasing the probability of penetrating the armour. If you fired one at a warship, if it gets through the armour, all it does is mess up a compartment behind the armour and create a small hole. Warships tend to be able to deal with small holes. In essence, all you're doing is trading in the capacity to deliver a large amount of explosives to the interior of the enemy ship behind a hard armour penetrating cap for the ability to better poke a hole. Not a good trade.
@Drewmikola
Жыл бұрын
@@keith6706 I disagree. Ignoring the benefits of the Uranium burning by itself, something hardened steel doesn't tend to do, you have a shell that can penetrate more armor at greater ranges while having more volume available for the bursting charge. It could even enable smaller guns as the increased penetration and ratio of the shell available for HE might make it possible to do the work of a 16" AP shell with a 14" DU AP shell, or less. The result being more guns and more shells down range per unit time. Those smaller shells would have an excellent ballistic coefficient with their insane density and would be effective at longer ranges allowing a more useful zone of invulnerability. Finally, DU applied to battleships in a universe where battleships still make sense, also implies DU armor, at least for the navies that can source (and afford) 20,000 tons of DU armor plate...
@egoalter1276
Жыл бұрын
Completely incorrect. Just becaise DU is denser doesnt mean its stronger, and the primary limiting factor of bursting charge is not shell weight but shell wall strength being able to withstand launch acceleration. With a uranium, ar as was availible in the 30s, tungsten walled shell you would end up with a less potent explosive charge in the same size shell, or a subcaliber shell. The latter would have better aemour penetrating ability and greater leunch velocity as demonstrated by HVAP and similar tank rounds, but it would also dramatically lose accuracy over very short ranges, becahse relyable sabot desigbs didnt yet exist, fin stabilisation wasnt well understood and manifacturing tolerances were not tight enough on either the shells, sabots or barrel liners to conaistently fire such projectiles accurately. The self sharpwning and incendiary properties of uranium ceramics are largly irrelevant in the context of batrleships where you are talking aboutgigajoules of muzzle energy, tons of tnt equivalent bursting charges, and feet of RHA penetration. Battleship shells are closet in performance to tactical nuclear devices than any other weapon.
@vikkimcdonough6153
Жыл бұрын
1:53 - _...Satsuma_ _is_ a really, really cool name, though.
@Aelvir114
Жыл бұрын
I’ll be honest. It’s probably more ideal for keeping with Vanguard than cancelling her over HMS Lion. Main reason being is that Lion and Temeraire were ordered to the final 1938 design, which was essentially a slightly larger King George V with 3x3 16-inch guns, slightly better armor, and a transom stern, which means you still have that questionable bow design, which was not changed until at least the 1940 design. Sure they could change it during construction, but that would also involve delaying her further, and knowing the Royal Navy, if they redesign the bow, they’d halt construction for various other changes. I wouldn’t be surprised if she would end up entering service in 1946/7-ish as essentially the 1944/45 designs (essentially Lion 1938 but with a new Mark IV gun with a heavier 1152 kg AP shell and faster rate-of-fire (designed 3 rpm), a DP secondary armament of 12x2 4.5-inch Mark V Daring turrets), a top speed ranging from 31.5-33.5 knots, 6-7-inch deck armor, etc.) but more close to being on Vanguard's dimensions instead of the massive sizes those designs were.
@king_br0k
Жыл бұрын
42:50 Chicago isn't that bad, as long as the weather cooperates
@spudskie3907
Жыл бұрын
And that you avoid the south and west sides.
@steriskyline4470
Жыл бұрын
@@spudskie3907 and wear kevlar, and a mask to block out the smell of human poop.
@lordsheogorath3377
Жыл бұрын
Very nice.
@MrTScolaro
Жыл бұрын
Lexington and Saratoga had bands.
@Halinspark
Жыл бұрын
Going over maritime superstitions sounds like a good Wednesday or Friday video. Especially if there are any notable examples from certain countries or interesting differences between merchant and martial beliefs.
@Sim.Crawford
Жыл бұрын
I'm badly behind on my bedtime stories, not made if through Part one from last week yet. 😂
@katana1430
Жыл бұрын
Re: Alternate names for Dreadnaughts, "Big Gunner" would be hilarious.
@elliemcfadden5511
Жыл бұрын
Interesting podcast
@GARDENER42
Жыл бұрын
DU was first used in the manufacture of projectiles in 1977 by the US DOD. Here in the UK, testing of DU penetrators began in the 1960s. There's roughly 6,500 of them in the Solway Firth from test firing at Kirkcudbright from 1992 on & more than 3,200 were also fired at Eskmeals, here in Cumbria between 1981 & 1995, many at armour plate. That's about 45 tonnes of DU... Not a naval thing but definitely maritime.
@matthewmoser1284
Жыл бұрын
44:00 "...IF the Taffy's don't put up any resistance..." *Johnston and Robert's wrecks just let out some oil in defiance*
@greenseaships
Жыл бұрын
A one-hour drydock? Somehow I feel ripped off. Dare I say spoiled? LOL
@timengineman2nd714
Жыл бұрын
@49:57 I'm surprised that you didn't mention Hot Racking! I sleep in my rack (bunk/hammock) from 1800 to 0200, next guy gets (what used to be only my rack in peacetime) it from 0200 to 1000, provided we're far enough away to avoid having to at GQ half an. hour before sunset to half an hour afterwards, and half an hour before sunrise to half an hour afterwards....
@WALTERBROADDUS
Жыл бұрын
As far as shakedown Cruise and going into battle? What about USS Monitor? 🤔
@charlesroseman6416
Жыл бұрын
I love your channel. But I have to say that Chicago is a great town. There is no issue of survivorship in Chicago, except for the fact that consumption of the pizza and polish sausages will do bad things to your circulatory system. If you're ever want to visit U-505, give me a shout and I'd love to tour it with you. But seriously, Chicago is a great town.
@teddythewonderlizard1448
Жыл бұрын
"Additional hammer cooks could be provided" (51:44) - WHAT? Ah - hammock hooks!
@SSSeTEDS
Жыл бұрын
I wonder how the excess tonnage carriers would fit in that carrier comparison i.e. Wasp and Ranger. Leave poor Bearn alone!
@ryanfrederick3376
Жыл бұрын
Where does Prince of Wales heading out to fight Bismarck go in the discussion of "ships going out not white ready/understaffed/etc?"
@dougjb7848
Жыл бұрын
Why did Fisher put Dreadnought’s forward funnel immediately ahead of the foremast? Wasn’t that just obviously stupid?
@OrangesAndCookies
Жыл бұрын
Hmmm... maybe don't let Mrs. Drach hear the backseat driver rant?
@lewiswestfall2687
Жыл бұрын
Thanks Darch
@camenbert5837
Жыл бұрын
Yay! Spanish Armada stuff! Also yay! I'm up to date. What do you mean "livestreams"...? Ah....
@davidknowles2491
Жыл бұрын
Wasn't Prince of Wales on a shakedown cruise when it was told to intercept Bismarck?
@DeliveryMcGee
Жыл бұрын
Pfft Zubian is basically how you get a cheap supercar -- find one that that spun out and hit the tree in the ... less-bad-for-the-driver direction, one that went head-on into the obstacle, cut 'em in half, weld 'em together, and throw a Chevy LS in it. Now you can be the cool guy at the cars and coffee!
@williamchamberlain2263
Жыл бұрын
2:31 the Juicy Fruit-Type battleships
@dougjb7848
2 ай бұрын
49:55 A ship cannot be in the same boat as another ship. A ship can barely be in the same boat as itself.
@ross.venner
Жыл бұрын
25:21 - A change of name implies a change of ownership. A new ship aging to a middle-aged and finally an old ship with different owners, each with their different trades, consequent resources and style of management. Naturally, the fortunes of a ship will change.
@DubGathoni
Жыл бұрын
34:00, And that's the ok ending. The bad ending involves the 5-inch shell being driven into the wall, it going boom, and not good things happening from there.
@keithplymale2374
Жыл бұрын
One of my dad's brothers was on one of the ships involved in the capture of U-505.
@sugarnads
Жыл бұрын
So You uncle
@stevenhogan9724
Жыл бұрын
Could always call the ( large gun battleship ) a LGB
@notshapedforsportivetricks2912
Жыл бұрын
And its support vessel ould be called an LGBT (Large Gun Battleship Tender). And if it also housed an Admiral's staff, it could be called LGBTQ (Large Gun Battleship Tender Quarters). And if ... I'd better stop now before I get everybody in trouble.
@tullyontherocks
Жыл бұрын
According to my brother, an old Coastie and Great Lake Captain: If one wants to rename a ship or boat they must make a recognizable, sea worthy, model, with the ship's name on it. Then it is to be floated and burned at sea in effigy. Then, and only then, may you rename. I don't agrue with my brother.
@TYCOON237
Жыл бұрын
Bit off topic but do you know of 2 Two former RN ships of the line converted into training barracks, one may have been HMS Duke of Wellington (1852) around 1900. Would add a picture but do not think I can hear
@dukeofgibbon4043
Жыл бұрын
Project Katie: fortified uranium battleship shell
@Loweko1170
Жыл бұрын
If Satsuma had been completed first, ABGBs would still be called Dreadnoughts. There would just be a trivia question cited by nerds about how this one Japanese ship teeeeeeeechnicaaaaallly...
@Perfusionist01
Жыл бұрын
Strictly an opinion, but the biggest loss in the Leyte Gulf scenario might have been the amphibious fleet itself, more than the troops aboard. Despite the famous productivity of the US shipyards, there were still worldwide demands for specialized amphibious warfare ships. Not only would the Seventh Fleet have lost the troops and supplies, but the ;pss of the specialized hulls would have constrained future US amphibious operations for some time. I still think that 1) Kurita might have devastated Taffy 3, but the other TFE's would have had time to adhust their positions and still would have delivered major air attacks on the Center Force ships. Further, although the Japanese brought a LOT of gun barrels to such a fight, they weren't the world's greatest navy ay naval gunfire support to land targets. By the time they dealt with the various cruisers and destroyers with the amphibious force, their time and ammunition would be limited for the shore bombardment. I can't remember how long it would be for Oldendorf to return to the beach area, and (hopefully) Lee and Halsey would be coming down from the north. It would have been a heck of a running sea/air battle.
@timengineman2nd714
Жыл бұрын
@43:41 Wasn't the HMS Prince Of Wales on a shakedown cruise when she was sent after the KMS Bismark?
@gerardmdelaney
Жыл бұрын
I suspect PoW was more "in yard hands undoing the damages incurred on her shakedown cruise" than on her takedown cruise. And putting right the things the yard messed up on during construction, or the BuShips/BuOrd equivalents didn't;t quite get their sums done properly on during design. Such s quad 14 inch turrets.
@timengineman2nd714
Жыл бұрын
@@gerardmdelaney Normally they have Shipyard workers aboard during Shakedown cruises to do repairs. If it couldn't be repaired underway (due to difficulty and/or numbers of repairs) it went back too the yards!
@HumanityisEmbarrassing
10 ай бұрын
Absolutely love this channel. 😂 the first time I saw a Drach video, I wasn't sure, but I have now almost finished the entire history of his productions. ❤
@TerryDowne
Жыл бұрын
And what is the name of the kicky 1920s Drydock title tune?
@DeliveryMcGee
Жыл бұрын
16" APFSDS would've been ... interesting.
@phillipneal9289
Жыл бұрын
👍
@leftcoaster67
Жыл бұрын
Did the HMS Lion question get split?
@lamwen03
Жыл бұрын
Of course, 'battleship' is itself a contraction of 'line-of-battle-ship'. Something which often causes confusion in non-English traslations, where 'battleship' and 'warship' are equivalent terms.
@egoalter1276
Жыл бұрын
No? Line of battles ships are called ahips of the line. Battleship is a term born in the late 19th centoury to describe barabette ironclads. Its an evolution of turret ship.
@Aelxi
Жыл бұрын
you answered 3 questions asked by Mr. Bkjeong! #sharequestionslots While my question from Satsuma video remain unanswered! What's the meaning of this Mr Drachinifel?!? :0
@jeffreybraunjr3962
Жыл бұрын
A good alternative name would have been universal battleships
@benwilson6145
Жыл бұрын
I would estimate that more than 80% of the worlds merchant ships have been renamed and many have been renamed many many times. Those that haven't been renamed are new. Professional seafarers have no concerns about changing a ships name, maybe KZitemrs do?
@Drachinifel
Жыл бұрын
There is massive historical and current resistance to even the suggestion of renaming warships. Civilian vessels might be different
@Yandarval
Жыл бұрын
Civvie ships are not meant to sail into harms way. They get to run away. No so a warship. So every bit of luck generated is needed. If the morale issue from renaming a warship may just be that bit of luck.
@benwilson6145
Жыл бұрын
@@Drachinifel The navies of a country act the same as shipping companies, they name their vessels how they want to, most are newbuild. You do not need to go go back 500 hundred years to find a renamed vessel in the Royal Navy. I am sure the Royal Navy has had a hundred renamed vessels in the past 100 years, indeed they exist in the present Royal Navy Fleet. The myth about renaming a ship as being unlucky is more Harry Potter than history.
@benwilson6145
Жыл бұрын
@@Yandarval Not sure of how that is related to the post, maybe you have a conspiracy theory? Your post is insulting to the Merchant Navy, it was there sailors that ensured the supplies to Britain were done. and the Nazi's defeated. The Merchant Navy had higher percentage losses that the Royal Navy, the Army and the Airforce.
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