How would you rate the Lendard War? What needs to happen in the final arc/saga?
@godcj969
Жыл бұрын
8/10 for me
@jordonrenaud1178
Жыл бұрын
Acnoella deserved a better fight like we get her lore & why she done all these things but not enough of it. Same with cure. Maybe the anime could fix these things kinda like with bleach. For me ziggy, Elsie, holy, killer, hermit & shiki carried the arc. for the final saga I feel like the pace will naturally slow down as there’s still much to know & go through. I think Mashima just wanted to get the OSG out the way & completely switch the story. Plus I think Cure could come back or we could see some characters return in uni 0.
@申月営無営月無営有申
Жыл бұрын
I still think EZ is better than FT overall despite its flaws.
@KDB349
Жыл бұрын
7/10. Weakest arc for me personally. The first half was so good, the second half is when I started taking an issue with things. It's very reminiscent to that of Alvarez in my opinion though Alvarez was a 6/10 all together
@godcj969
Жыл бұрын
@@KDB349 what’s Alvarez?
@calamity2956
Жыл бұрын
I fully agree. The pacing is a setback in the story which differentiates it from the good to the great and even the hall of fame. Slower pacing allows for more time, and more time means a better plot and characters if played correctly
@JustsomeSpaceG1
Жыл бұрын
Jaguar was unlucky because Nero Rolled a Nat 20
@ShonenOuji
Жыл бұрын
Seriously tho. It really was like rolling a nat 20.
@NoName-cn4tk
Жыл бұрын
This comment deserves the love
@MementoDespair
Жыл бұрын
I did at first thought that Deadend Crow and Acnoella we're gonna get their own arcs, but I guess they all got lumped into one I thought at least Acnoella would be more important
@KDB349
Жыл бұрын
I was planning on doing a review of the Lendard arc myself but you worded everything much better than I ever could. Not to mention your editing makes things easy to follow. I have none of that. Just a phone and my face/voice lol. You can clearly see what Mashima planned and what he didn't. With Jaguar I was fine with how he went out, we got some interesting information on him, we got a very cool fight sequence then he died. Sure he could have stuck around longer. But I'm happy with what we got. Characters like Cure and Acnoella is the issue. I was so disappointed with how they went out. Acnoella especially, one chapter of fighting and she's one hit killed by Elsie. Complete and utter nonsense. Anyway great video.
@dragoncat5767
Жыл бұрын
Cure and acnoella didn't seem like a villain at all with how suddenly they went out Mashima just has to take time and make it as long as it needs to be instead of rushing it
@travisherndon94
Жыл бұрын
Yeah I agree about the Cure thing, my mans was introduce didn't even have a single line of dialogue then a couple of chapters later all of a sudden he's the mastermind of all evil like what ?
@ShonenOuji
Жыл бұрын
Like I said I don’t think he was planned out. I get the feeling Mashima had a rough idea of what he wanted to do with him but never had any real plans until Lendard.
@Ace101Mega
Жыл бұрын
How I see things is - Mashima had things planned(and some freestyle which he mention) but given the limitation of chapters so he decided some characters development had to be either short or use for some plot advancement. For the characters , comparing to FT its night and day. In FT there's more time for him to give the spotlight to the characters since he didn't planned that series so he have more freedom to make do what he can do with god knows how many chapters he decide to go far with. Edens Zero is a series that needs more than 500+ or more chapters to flesh out the characters , development and backstory's. Like you said , Cure and Acnoella are example of they are there but had no time to flesh out. For Justice I can tell he trying a different approach compared to Jellal(I never read Rave so I can't judge) which I feel work but need more time. For the EZ crew , i.m.o they serve their purpose. Their worth now is to be "soldiers" for Shiki and be npc in the ship for interaction. There's nothing much to do with them from what I seen. Now the arcs we seen so far. Only Kaede had the most flaws but it still a great arc with epic moment , fights and reveals. Belia n Aoi are top 2. For me the final arc show be on focus on both Shiki and Rebecca. Shiki growth , Rebecca Origin . Chronophage Origin and Mother Origin. this 4 points need to be met and it be a 9/10 finale. Anything else is just extra. If given the freedom like FT than maybe we have a even better series.
@dragoncat5767
Жыл бұрын
In short, mashima is rushing. But i hope if he has problem with drawing,he can let someone else draw and write the story and he himself draw the new manga he wants to create. I really feel like it's a bad idea to abandon this manga for the other. Like you said,it would be best if thid series would be around 500, rather than completing it so fast. To be honest cure,acnoella seemed like side charecters or not at all villain, because there weren't much pgs to complete the story
@Ace101Mega
Жыл бұрын
@@dragoncat5767 Wondered if sales play a part. If it was better , would he reconsider extending it. Before timeskip , it have a huge momentum to uphold. The arcs just keep getting better , development was good and the spotlight for the characters are a good amount. After timeskip , it been good but there's some issue where some characters need to be more highlighted , build up for side villains weren't there and side characters barely had the spotlight.
@dragoncat5767
Жыл бұрын
@@Ace101Mega yeah,I think it did Except for Ziggy,I didn't find any villain interesting
@Ace101Mega
Жыл бұрын
@@dragoncat5767 Draken , Shura and Ziggy were the better villains and they were pre time skip(Except Ziggy who is pre and post time skip villain)
@dragoncat5767
Жыл бұрын
@@Ace101Mega I mean in current arc
@-Sparagmos-
Жыл бұрын
I fear the magazine is forcing him to wrap it up.
@jefferynwosu7223
Жыл бұрын
Nice video and I agree with most of your points. What gets me about Cure's villain twist reveal was how unnecessary it was. I gave Mashima a chance to write Cure being a villain since it was so random and Mashima still decided to write the twist but then for some odd reason, Mashima doesn't explain why Cure gained his ideology, he doesn't give him a proper fight as a top tier of the verse, his "fight" with Holy was so underwhelming as it was just 2 pages (I'm not kidding) of him bashing her with lame punches and regenerating once and when Holy melts the core machine, and he dips to get one-shotted along with Crow in the same chapter (the chapter this happened was directly after the chapter where he was revealed to be a villain). Why did Mashima feel the need to write such a terrible villain that just made the arc worse for no reason? Acnoella was decent till she randomly got revealed to be Elsie's mom which doesn't matter as she immediately dies without a proper fight as an OSG. It's very sad that no one cares that Justice is dead. The crew were never on good relations with him, he didn't really have anybody that cared about him in the series besides maybe Victory and now his death leaves an absence of power for the IUA. For me, his death is just weird in how he needlessly killed himself for no reason when he could've had a character arc of making amends on how shortsighted he was in the story and actually display proper justice. Meanwhile, Elsie was selfish as she always was like how she abandoned the plan during the arc to solo Ziggy to who she nearly died to and if not for her being helpless when she was captured, her subordinates wouldn't have had to chase and die in vain. She didn't even bother to tell anybody on what happened to them or why she abandoned her own crew. Also, does the crew even know about the whole Ziggy is Shiki thing? It's kinda crazy that they only find out after the arc is over lol. Also, it just hit me how meaningless Creed's death was in the series. I already talked about how Creed somehow couldn't react to a bullet despite activating his EG and looking at the person aiming at him. It was so weird that Creed's death didn't achieve anything in the Aoi war and he was also team-killed and was the trigger for Homura's whole depression over people dying around her. Then we get this setup by Jesse to frame Creed's death on Homura's hands to which Justice unquestionably accepted without thinking it through. But then we didn't have any info on Jesse till near the end of the arc where he randomly shows up as if he was always in the arc, and then gets killed without being reprimanded for his lies on Creed's death for 3 whole years. Justice never finds out that it was him and dies which means he will never know about that, but even worse, Homura never knew that she was framed for 3 whole years and didn't even know that Justice was gunning for her life and Jesse died without being faced for his crime by either Homura or Justice and instead was dealt with in anther subplot. In the end what did Creed's death even do for the story or characters? The Lendard arc is still great for what it does right (Ziggy reveals and moments and ending and the fact Shiki developed even more as a character as it was the first time, he killed somebody and it was his own alternate future self/grandpa) but man, there were so many more problems in this arc than the Aoi arc which is a shame since it had a great first half but kinda fumbled in the end. Ziggy being replaced by a random fish ship was very underwhelming but I'm willing to give it a chance to see if it will be as good as evil Ziggy, but I seriously doubt it as it won't have the personal relationship with the MC as Ziggy had. The crazy thing is that Mashima didn't even plan for the series to reach 200 chapters and now says that it will end in another 100 chapters. Despite the Lendard arc being the longest one yet, it could've been easily way longer if Mashima had explored every character far better and especially the ones that he knew were going to die in this arc.
@PedroHenrique-mk5zi
Жыл бұрын
The last couple of chapters were such an anomaly. Cure, contrary to his name, did nothing but hurt Edens Zero's story. Even his dynamic with Holy feels like an underwhelming version of Nami and Arlong from One Piece. Acnoella and Justice also needed way more time for me to start getting invested in their characters. This feels like 50 chapters were compressed into 15. I am afraid Mashima might not stick the landing with the finale.
@ShonenOuji
Жыл бұрын
I have to disagree. I think the difference is planning. A lot of the recent stuff felt like executing on ideas that were never actually planned out. Mashima has been planning the Rebecca and Shiki stuff since the beginning.
@Corvy952
Жыл бұрын
@@ShonenOuji “executing on ideas that weren’t planned out” but the execution of those ideas was terrible. So why should we have faith that he can stick the landing with the ending I thought he had the ziggy stuff planned out and that was bad too. Clearly he had that finish with Elsie and justice planned out but that was bad as they were given no time. I’m basing my views on what he’s written in this series and as of right now it’s 50/50 leaning towards bad bc of the rushing.
@Lasherluke
Жыл бұрын
lol ouji dropping the bones for the yozfam video.
@ShonenOuji
Жыл бұрын
I said the Ziggy thing and then I was like “wait, yozakura family is definitely more requested” haha
@toadsaage7711
Жыл бұрын
I think the Kaede War was a 8.5-9/10. It wasn’t perfect, but still one of the Edens Zero’s best arcs. What I am worried about how the final arc will be paced. Because Mashima is 2/2 on rushing his final arcs; with both Rave Master and Fairy Tail. Just hoping he paces Eden’s Zero’s final arc properly
@zenar30
Жыл бұрын
Let's say Rave was his first Manga experience and Fairy Tail a story that shouldn't have lasted longer than we know. I except Mashima to build Eden's Zero for a long time and thought his story well.
@9faris3
3 ай бұрын
THe story main issue is that it doesn't have the story origin. It is like the question which come first
@yifengtoh7529
Жыл бұрын
There is still more mystery on Shiki than Rebecca. Rebecca's parents are revealed but what about Shiki's also what is Eraser's connection to Shiki cause it seems like to Eraser, Shiki is more than just a normal OSG.
@MementoDespair
Жыл бұрын
I wish Edens Zero was as long as Fairy Tail. Probably would be significantly better, he wants a short story so I don't mind a lot of stuff
@dragoncat5767
Жыл бұрын
Isn't it ironical fairy tail was supposed to fun adventure and not plot focused,but it's longer than it should be while Edens zero is plot focused,but it is much shorter than it should be
@yifengtoh7529
Жыл бұрын
My ranking of the OSG and OSI OSI 6. Cure 5. Feather 4. Jaguar 3. Justice 2. Holy 1. Eraser OSG 8. Nox (So far we know nothing about her other than she is Rebecca's mother) 7. Acnollea 6. Nero 5. Crow 4. Elsie 3. Drakken Joe 2. Shiki 1. Ziggy
@rzuue
Жыл бұрын
Erza and Gerard were some of my favourite characters in the earlier Fairy Tail story but they kinda didn't get the resolution I always wanted for them. With Edens Zero we have Justice and Elsie. Both are once more compelling and even though I had mixed feelings about putting such similar characters in again, their personalities and their story is pretty different and I just find myself, once more, wanting to see so much of them and have finally, at least in one of Mashima's stories, have a happy ending for them. Don't get me wrong, I think their ending is this kinda bitter-sweet thing and I don't necessarily dislike it. But I felt like their whole relization-and-then-talk-it-out-part was wayyy too short. Now, as I am writing this, it's more than a month after this video was released and we have a few more chapters (so beware of spoilers) And with where the story is going from here, I kinda hope that we will get to see them once more, that maybe Shiki can pull in their memories too and get them to reconcile before it gets as far as them being erased by the chronophage. But I wanna add that Edens Zero did a lot of things very well. It often strayed from the ordinary story formula you can see all so often. There were so many defeats, so many, really painful and sad scenes, I think the overall story is far stronger than Fairy Tail's has ever been.
@godcj969
Жыл бұрын
If Eden’s zero had more popularity this arc would have been different
@dragoncat5767
Жыл бұрын
You are right
@Corvy952
Жыл бұрын
How would that have affected the writing of the series . Mashima said from pretty early on he wasn’t gonna have this series be a long one like fairy tail
@dragoncat5767
Жыл бұрын
@@Corvy952 i mean you can see he rushed a bit in the current arc
@mangamerchant9002
Жыл бұрын
What Eden’s zero needs the most is a fortnite collab.
@yifengtoh7529
Жыл бұрын
No
@partyjams
Жыл бұрын
Rating Ziggy as a villain is tricky since he was being puppeted. But as an antagonistic force he was great. I guess this is where the definition gets muddy because yes without Ziggy there would be no conflict... except there probably would be with the OSI and Edens One. Plus Ziggy didn't have any motivations to be evil or oppose Shiki. He was no in control of himself at all. Didn't even have memories for all while. That's where he differs from Tsukasa. That was a character whose philosphy differed from the MC to the point where they opposed one another. But of course if you're definition of villain is simply the biggest problem from the cast to deal with a point in the story then yeah Ziggy was great as a villain. More accurately "Ziggy" in quotation marks. The figure of him that was propped up by Edens Ones. As you know I'm not the OSI's biggest fan. But since most of the dead weight has been cut off and if the remain ones get fleshed out I'll be fine with them ;P. Justice and Elise I felt had their storylines rushed but for their role in the story they worked. I would have liked them more if we gradually saw Justice realize his folly and Elise ... well you had a a whole video on her where I shared my thoughts. The OSG is a mixed bag. truth be told I like most of them. Nox I'm unsure of at the moment since we need to hear from Rachel and Acnoella would have been good if they did more with the character (maybe tied in Elise earlier to give us some foreshadowing). But the rest: Nero, DJ, Shiki, Ziggy, and Crow were cool. While I'm not big on how Cure was implemented, Crow himself and his connection to Holy still worked. As for fleshing out the remaining cast, it really depends on how much story is left. If Dr Stone taught me anything about endgame, if an author has a mapped out plan then they will follow that roadmap to the end. Some have argued with me there's plenty of answers we need so we have time but if the final battle is upcoming I'm not completely sure that's true. tl;dr I can see why Ziggy may be counted as an antagonist rather than a villain but definitions matter here. OSI weren't amazing but they might be salvageable. OSG were stronger (mostly) but a few misses. TBH I'm not expecting Mashima to do much more character writing, but I hope I'm wrong
@dragoncat5767
Жыл бұрын
Mashima is just rushing things, otherwise he could have fleshed it out more. That's the only problem
@ShonenOuji
Жыл бұрын
The thing with Dr. STONE was that Inagaki clearly had a number in mind and put that first. With Edens Zero I don’t know if that’s the case yet but I sincerely hope it isn’t for obvious reasons.
@Apex-vv7hk
Жыл бұрын
This arc was good but not as good as Sun Jewel or Belial Gore and some of the villains could have been better it also needed to slow down a bit. I also think the fights needed to be longer such as Homura vs Brigandine, Sister vs Clown, Shiki vs Ziggy, and especially Justice, Elsie, and Homura vs God Acnoella. I also think that Cure being crow needed more foreshadowing I also think that Ziggy’s explanation of his origin could have been a little bit better. I also wish Justice knew the truth about Creed before Jessie was killed and we knew what happened to wizard after his fight with Shiki. But I did like the fight with crow and how he was defeated I also liked how Ziggy’s end was sad and emotional and he chose to go out his way I also liked how the Edens One is the true enemy because it’s not what you would expect and that’s what makes it good and I thought the end of the arc was good and had a nice bittersweet ending. Also this is my personal opinion but I think Drakken Joe was the best of the OSG and villain than Ziggy, while Ziggy was good he was controlled by the Edens One and Drakken became evil on his own and he was the only villain to beat the heroes and kill a main character that other villains could not do so I still think he is the best villain so far
@InfamyOrDeath-__-
Жыл бұрын
Oh damn I shouldn’t have started this video, now I know Ziggy gets killed. I’m reading this in print so I just finished vol 19, so sad with Witch’s death. I’ll have to stop the video at 1:07 haha, but I’ll just say that I love Edens Zero, I hope it doesn’t end soon. I’m also reading Fairy Tail, I just put up new shelves today so I could fit all 63 volumes in a row.
@sergeanthuman
Жыл бұрын
im still wondering on some of the powers some of those villians had before they died
@soraxis9285
Жыл бұрын
Weiß messed up on lendard arc but i enjoyed the story plot on this whole arc
@melloooww-bear
Жыл бұрын
When they went to universe zero,I really thought it was a reboot,got a heart attack.
@MementoDespair
Жыл бұрын
I just finished the manga on Thanksgiving, I am caught up, and despite the story being extremely Fast Pace opposite of One Piece, and more like Demon Slayer, I feel the story has not left anything to be desired it delivered on everything I care about and expect even if it's short. Unlike Demon Slayer. I knew Ziggy wasn't gonna be the final villain, and his character arc ended perfectly. Though if I were to change anything I'd probably want Ziggy to be defeated halfway into the story at 50% and give more time with the true antagonist revealed instead of 75% which it probably is. Edens One/ The real enemy will definitely have a humanoid form or appearance as the Main villain and probably already is revealed.
@ctarroyo887
Жыл бұрын
0:09 that was sus 🤨🤨🤨🤔🤔🤔
@fairyzquad6343
Жыл бұрын
Never expected zingy to be i al villa Ian It’s either future rebbeca or xiaomei
@dragoncat5767
Жыл бұрын
Xiao mein is the narrator
@fairyzquad6343
Жыл бұрын
@@dragoncat5767 do eas the main villains in hero’s And she seems like a villain
@kamenrideroblivion2667
Жыл бұрын
Lendard arc was a half half. Good: Alot of cool and powerful characters The fights with the Dark stars was very cool Deadend Crow and Holy's relationship was really dark. No wonder Holy hated him. Better than Justice's relationship with his EX girlfriend. Bad: God Acnoella was hype up so much but ended being a dissapointment. The Edens One being the real enemy could have been done better The dark stars should have stayed around longer Cure being Crow's real identity was BS and it ruin Crow's character
@ybagain3562
Жыл бұрын
I don’t like how they did the love interest in the manga/anime it doesn’t make sense to there basically making it like natsu and Lucy all over again and it’s weird why didn’t shiki end up with homura
@Corvy952
Жыл бұрын
Lendard arc sucked. I wish it was better but it’s not. Elsie and justices end was bad. Justice is such a boring one note character he barely had any interactions with characters other than Elsie and even their interactions weren’t good enough to justify his sudden face turn at the end of the arc. That moment of them as kids isn’t earned bc Justice face turn is so sudden it isn’t build up. Ziggy… this is just disappointing. I don’t think we have enough time to properly build up the Eden’s one, an ai with a new consciousness, to be a more menacing or better villain than ziggy. Ziggy should have been the final villain. Cure was not a character. He was literally nothing then there’s the twist with holy and he’s dead. Same thing with Acnoella only she’s worse bc she was build up much more and served no purpose whatsoever. The characters aren’t as fleshed out as fairy tails and that sucks bc that just makes them a cool design. Justice should have been a great character with more time he’s just not. Jellal is infinitely better. Ziggy was… ok? He was the most interesting aspect of the manga for me and now he’s replaced with the computer from iRobot in fish ship form. Not confident given how this arc played out end the end of the manga will stick the landing
@ujdemlys6307
Жыл бұрын
Unfortunately I agree, this arc started off good but after the ziggy’s reveal everything was so rushed and many plot lines were ended quickly
@THaupt03
Жыл бұрын
When it comes to the OSI (with the exception of Cure), Feather is the only one that lacks that kind of "punchy" scene where she shows off why she's in the OSI. Justice manhandled Shiki, Jaguar destroy several of Nero's men, defeated two Dark stars and Fabiano, Eraser is just freaking cool destroying, eradicating Nero's space forces including major weapons like the Sea Serpent and the Kraken. Holy put in the work against Crow/Cure and her backstory makes her the best OSI. Feather...stands in the back and sends her men to get their asses kicked by Shiki and crew and then gets humiliated by Shiki. Also her power rather than being a surprise was just stated by Noah "the same as his". I will admit that Feather character design is cool, she's definitely a looker. Its just that I kinda expected a more offensive based EG like a phoenix EG.
@lorenbrown7100
Жыл бұрын
What was that about ti- I mean time
@Observer-me9bi
Жыл бұрын
Just wanted to point out, in one of the more recent chapters Shiki got a face full of Rebecca’s ass
@Nothingness4907
Жыл бұрын
I don't really like the critiques of the secondary characters, because as the name implies, they're "Secondary", so they won't get the same attention or development as the main ones after they finish their main major Character Arc For how the characters of Jinn, Kneele and Laguna played out against Deadend Crown I think they did a good job For Ziggy I think the battle was long enough, the fights Mashima does are never very long, he did enough to display the power of these 2 characters while fighting each other and the conclusion was good too My problem it's mostly about Ziggy not being really Ziggy, which detracts from the final confrontation between Main Protagonist and Antagonist Just like Zeref wasn't manipulated by Ankhseram into declaring war and resetting the timeline, it was his personal decision Or like Lucia wasn't controlled by the Mother Dark Bring in wanting to reject the Main Timeline, it was his personal experiences that led him to make that choice Here this Ziggy wasn't motivated by anything in particular other than being controlled by the Edens One, Shiki had to deal with someone he care about becoming evil, but we found that was never an issue in the first place I still love Ziggy character, but the choice to make him controlled by someone else wasn't a good choice, at least in my opinion You can argue that Jellal was the same, but it was made clear from the start of his own Arc that something was manipulating him and he wasn't the true Jellal
@MementoDespair
Жыл бұрын
I didn't think Ziggy's fight was quick, at least in comparison to Drakken Joe's and Shura, but compared to other manga, yes all fights are really quick. I appreciated Ziggy getting a little longer fight than other arc main villains
@moolcazy3805
Жыл бұрын
I agree with all or at least most of this Edens zero needs to slow down so The fights can get more time to develop and become more interesting Character can develop more and side characters can get more time to shine To explore more of the mysteries about Shiki and Rebecca and how they might be connected Shiki character development Better characterization of villains etc Edens zero does a lot right but we don't spend much time on it, for it to develop and become more interesting Like how cure could of been interesting but he died as fast as he was introduced So his character became uninteresting and seemed like something the mashima didn't plan at all
@MementoDespair
Жыл бұрын
Imma real How fast some of these characters get killed and/or thrown away is so funny... Like Mashima doesn't want to waste time with them cuz the story doesn't need them anymore, really is the opposite of Oda. I literally laughed and was surprised at almost all the characters that die. But I expected most stuff to be "rushed" and I prefer it sometimes but other times I wish fights were better and longer. Like Mashima can't come up with a way to make Jaguar look impressive before killing him?
@yifengtoh7529
Жыл бұрын
Jaguar destroyed Nero's army, killed one of the Ocean members and defeated two dark stars by himself and only got killed because Ziggy and Nero team up on him. How is that not impressive?
@louis-marcelotsamamba6688
Жыл бұрын
Ziggy is an okay villain but was terribly written in terms of his backstory and motivations
@quayumaz5718
Жыл бұрын
Hebat macam One peace
@sbthesage2100
Жыл бұрын
This arc was very low quality I’m ngl
@ofimportance5458
Жыл бұрын
You don’t know what you’re talking about. Antagonists doesn’t mean villain. This is like saying oikawa from haikyuu is a villain because he opposes hinata. No.
@RasenTon
Жыл бұрын
Eden zero is already better than fairytail and only a little better than rave master, also love the characters more so they dont really have to "flesh" out the characters too much.
@dragoncat5767
Жыл бұрын
We should support Edens zero so that author makes it longer. It's ironical that fairy tail was just supposed to be fun adventure, but it longer due to popularity. But Edens zero is supposed to have a serious plot,but it got shorter because of lack of popularity
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