i think she couldnt handle her visions and the lost of her children she probably already saw how it was going to play out
@sweetsushiness
2 ай бұрын
she had no visions in the book
@micheleford4282
2 ай бұрын
@@sweetsushiness clearly they are veering from original content i assumed we were talking about the show but irregardless having to point out a child to die you gave birth too would be enough to drive you to unalive yourself.
@sweetsushiness
2 ай бұрын
@@micheleford4282 i thought you talked about the books since u spoke in past tense. she has not lost plural children yet
@TheBerkeleyBeauty
2 ай бұрын
I ride with Helaena, even though she’s a green. Besides her murdered son, she is the only truly innocent soul and all of this.
@haleyadams731
2 ай бұрын
She didn’t deserve anything she and her children were the only Greens I really liked besides Daeron
@crinklescat1871
2 ай бұрын
Same. To both comments. I’m on rhaenyras side but in book and show she didn’t wish any harm on her half sister. She actually had a relationship with her in the book, as much as alicent would allow(so not much) I hate how they toned down how evil Otto and alicent truly were.
@melissaclark1051
Ай бұрын
I would not say she is a green because she has not fought back in anyway. And has no hate for anyone.
@crinklescat1871
Ай бұрын
@@melissaclark1051 exactly. Yet she is one who genuinely suffers the most. Well, they all suffer, but her and the small folk basically anyone innocent.. I loved that she called out Aemond. Like you could just feel the disappointment/what have you become type feeling radiating from her. No one else would say anything that episode, but she did and I loved the music for that scene.
@rakantopinibl5736
Ай бұрын
Yeah and the younger children (Aegon III&Viserys III)
@bekleedee
2 ай бұрын
Brother-husband, uncle-husband, cousin-sister-wife. I'll never not cackle like a lunatic hearing that
@914gwen
2 ай бұрын
This is her mom and grandfather's fault. They were so greedy they didn't even think of the consequences. I wonder if she would've been better off marrying a Stark. Great allies and get treated better.
@TheKrazysexykool
Ай бұрын
Very true. I hate the Hightowers. They started the whole conflict
@anngleeson4736
2 ай бұрын
Her visions killed her
@laurelsilberman5705
2 ай бұрын
Even without any concrete evidence stated here, I’d go ahead and say it’s highly likely that this is true. I think Viserys thought he was a dreamer because he wanted it to be true so badly but wasn’t (since he was a generally non-violent person and so he wished for the other magical ability known for manifesting in their family-some form of premonitive clairvoyance, but which is notoriously difficult to decipher and can have deadly consequences if mistranslated, which they often are) since his dragon died after only riding him one time and he never claimed another, I think he wished to be special elsewise; I think the fact that Viserys thought one vivid dream he had one time was a vision so badly that it had a similar effect/impact whether it was a true dragon dream or not because he treated it like one, it could be that the combined desire for greatness despite ruling in a time of peace, plus the knowledge of Aegon’s prophecy being introduced, he was seeing signs where there were none. I’m just saying it seems like almost all of the true dragon dreamers died young, including Helaena, with maybe the exception of Aegon the Unlikely who didn’t seem to have dragon dreams in his youth, but seemed almost like once all his cousins and brothers who were dreamers died, their visions sort of like, started tormenting him instead. So he lived to an older age but his manner of death seems tied to prophecy and misinterpretation of it, if you put all the pieces of info about Summerhall together from the lore.
@Eddard_Stark
Ай бұрын
Could this be due to the incest maybe?
@LatinIndigo
Ай бұрын
she saw season 8 of GOT
@anngleeson4736
Ай бұрын
@@LatinIndigo And the last season of Lost
@Karl1202-D
Ай бұрын
I thought she was the dragon.
@tiffanymcginty1250
2 ай бұрын
Poor dreamer she needed someone to know what she was and train her properly
@brittneyhamilton8784
2 ай бұрын
It was the same window Tommen jumped out of
@sharonanderson1703
15 күн бұрын
He didn't jump, he planked!
@Sunsplash.1217
Ай бұрын
Poor Helaena. Her family was evil and power hungry and cared nothing about her . Alicent never showed any love.nor affection for her children .
@angelafahlenkamp9311
Ай бұрын
Because they were always pawns to be played with in The Game of Thrones 🤷♀️
@jimeno726
2 ай бұрын
The death of her first son was terrible. But the death of her second son could easily be considered even worse. So yeah, she definitely went crazy and they blamed the blacks.
@stephaniemarie3587
2 ай бұрын
How did her second son die? I don’t mind spoilers
@KeiranNight
2 ай бұрын
@@stephaniemarie3587was basically torn apart by a mob. Rhaenyra put out a bounty to have all the remaining greens captured and when the people got Maelor and killed his guard they didn’t know whether to bring him in or not and they all fought about it and killed him in the process
@stephaniemarie3587
2 ай бұрын
@@KeiranNight fuckin brutal
@ruthcog
2 ай бұрын
I can't with this story... it makes me soo sad. I hope the show will tone this part down cause it's just too brutal too watch and even hear. Poor children and Helaena didn't deserve this shit.@@KeiranNight
@aishariel9924
2 ай бұрын
@@ruthcog I could be wrong but in the show Helena only has 2 children. I need to rewatch it to remember.
@SmittyB88
Ай бұрын
An she tells her mom she forgives her for putting them against her sister and basically destroying the Targarayen legacy
@paramissm4030
Ай бұрын
Okay, wait... What if Alicent is the one that is gonna push her through the window?
@sylphephilippe449
27 күн бұрын
@@paramissm4030 I think the one to push her from the window will be her grandfather, Otto... Alicent has lost her way because she wants to redeem herself but her grandfather will not allow the Hightower to fall in disgrace, he'll probably kill Helaena so that Alicent can focus on her duty once more, which is fight the black in the name of the green and put the Hightowers on the throne again.
@angeliousy
20 күн бұрын
@@sylphephilippe449 I can see it more like Otto killing Helaena in order to marry Aegon to another powerful house but idk
@jonathanl9229
2 ай бұрын
Calling it now- Laras kills her.
@sadfaerie5817
Ай бұрын
Either that or she gets in an argument with Alicent and Alicent pushes her 'accidentally'
@SoleilMagica
28 күн бұрын
Laras? You mean Larys?
@sylphephilippe449
27 күн бұрын
Larys was not there at this period of time, he was with Aegon and has no reason to kill her, at all.
@Terribads
Ай бұрын
So she was the Tommen of the prequels
@capysarah
2 ай бұрын
Her daughter Jaehaera died the same way: fell from a window and impaled on spikes, with rumors of foul play
@caitlinmillington6094
2 ай бұрын
Brother husband is CRAZY 🤣
@Kelly-nt2rq
2 ай бұрын
Yeah.... just what yhe he'll do they mean by that
@Itssharona143
Ай бұрын
@Kelly-nt2rq he is her brother but also her husband...brother husband...targaryens en their incestuous ways 😅
@alisadruzhinina9274
2 ай бұрын
that moment when she rises her head under the voile, she really looks like Aemond.
@missoOs0
Ай бұрын
And the voile . Looks like cuts in her face
@kmaxx4thestiv367
2 ай бұрын
To think this was all because of her mother and grandfather ambitions.
@morganferguson6378
Ай бұрын
not even her mothers, this is all otto’s greed and ambition to put his bloodline on the throne. yes the last name is targ, but a hightower was a mother to these targs, therefore the hightowers will probs forever have good relations with targs and therefore remain powerful. that is what otto wanted for the long game, he just didn’t predict his grandchildren to not listen to him unlike his daughter who hangs on to every word his says even at her big age. he expected his grandchildren to heed to every word he says and follow every decision he makes, because his daughter did so why wouldn’t her children since she would probs raise them to listen to him, but that didn’t happen and his grand scheme is crumbling to pieces.
@sylphephilippe449
27 күн бұрын
@@morganferguson6378 I call it now, Otto will be the one killing Helaena, so Alicent can listen to him once more. She'll never know this, or she'll and kill him after, but yeah, he's the only one to have reasons to kill Helaena, because nobody have reasons to do so, and he's too power hungry to spare her if it means waking up his daughter from her sweet dreams of freedom.
@morganferguson6378
27 күн бұрын
@@sylphephilippe449 let’s come back in two years and see if ur right! what ur saying makes sense to me, maybe instead of “jumping” out the window helaena was actually pushed by otto. the books are supposed to be written by maesters years after the events occur, and can be heavily biased towards certain people, and it has been my theory that the books and shows are like a mirror to real life: the winners and victors get to write how history went down in the books, when in reality there are many things they are leaving out. so GRRM’s books are like history books for westeros and then the tv shows are what actually happened. it was said that helaena killed herself, but maybe this opens the opportunity for it to actually be otto who pushes helaena and because her son was murdered maybe people just assumed and didn’t do any deep digging. it’s rumored that helaena’s twin daughter jaehera was pushed instead of jumping herself soon after her marriage to aegon the younger, so maybe the showrunners are drawing inspiration from this rumor.
@betsyempson3188
2 ай бұрын
Her brother died that day hours before her and they are perhaps lovers. I believe she had a vision of his death and jumped from her window
@WaleeahBrooks
Ай бұрын
Which Brother?
@persephone342
Ай бұрын
Aemond.
@theone9113
Ай бұрын
She and aemond were lovers ? 😳
@persephone342
Ай бұрын
@@theone9113 that’s a theory that she and Aemond were lovers.
@fayedunaway8
5 күн бұрын
This aged well
@AlexS-oj8qf
2 ай бұрын
Why people always say Heeleena. Her name is Hay-lay-na.
@Psychoma99
2 ай бұрын
AI
@Janellabelle
2 ай бұрын
I think she was pushed. When J is murdered she tells Alicent they killed "the boy". I think she distanced herself emotionally from that child because she could see his murder. Thats why she calls him "the boy" imo.
@guillembonet3350
2 ай бұрын
larys strong is the culprit
@s.mabbasali8790
2 ай бұрын
She is so beautiful ❤
@nicksmithnutmilk
2 ай бұрын
Bro Helaena died a year before Aegon 😂😂
@user-ym2nh4xd5o
2 ай бұрын
no brother. she was told aegon died making her more instable
@nicksmithnutmilk
2 ай бұрын
@@user-ym2nh4xd5oI forgot Aegon was thought to be dead until he captured Dragonstone . Yeah , now I remember it 😂😂
@prettycyber8332
2 ай бұрын
@@nicksmithnutmilk she still died before him
@dennisaerob
2 ай бұрын
Yes, but she thought Aegon died after He went missing
@randycrawford1132
2 ай бұрын
@@prettycyber8332she thinks he died before her
@minigrande1939
Ай бұрын
In the story of Troy . because it's so huge .there's a part not many know Cassandra was the high priestess of the temple of Apollo.Apollo showered her with gifts one giving her the sight to see future events because she did not defeat to Apollos advances (greek gods could not take gifts back) Apollo cursed her and said "she can see the future but no one will believe her" when Helen walks into the court of Troy Cassandra goes crazy tell king Priam to get rid of her for she is going to destroy The kingdom,of course they all laughed at her.. I believe Helena is based upon Cassandra
@Lv-nq9qz
18 күн бұрын
I think she's based off of Ophelia from hamlet, but with magic powers
@user-rb4sw4qg3q
2 ай бұрын
Now watching the new episode I wonder if Alicent doesn’t kill her to keep her secret safe. She doesn’t seem to heartbroken.
@anjelica948
Ай бұрын
I think Alicent would be much more likely to use her power as Dowager Queen (and her alliance with Larys) to keep her secrets, rather than resort to violence against her children. Alicent is flawed for sure, and even if she really has no love for Aegon or Aemond, she does appear to care about Helaena. She’s the only one she tries to make a connection with and treat with kindness.
@garlantyrell6368
Ай бұрын
@@anjelica948That’s because Helaena is her only daughter, so of course she will be nicer to her. Even though she kinda treated her the same way Otto treated her back when she was a child. After all it was Alicent who married Helaena off to Aegon the same way Otto married her to Viserys. And both ladies didn’t want to marry who they were supposed to.
@TK-un1pu
Ай бұрын
Is there a possibility that she just couldn’t handle or get others to understand her visions? I mean she’s been warning folk before something tragic happens and they call her crazy. 🤷🏾♀️ Imagine seeing a tragedy before it happens, trying to warn people, they mock you and then you live and see the tragedy in real time. 💔
@beloslavachilingirova2921
Ай бұрын
It’s the Cassandra theme, it always makes me sad
@laurelsilberman5705
2 ай бұрын
I never hate the terms “brother-husband” or “sister-wife” any less, no matter how many times I hear them. Barf.
@GreatWebSeries1
2 ай бұрын
Are u incestor?? 😂
@verycool2050
2 ай бұрын
don't knock it until you try it
@charmedprince
Ай бұрын
Lol@@verycool2050
@JackalHavok1992
Ай бұрын
If Harlena was pushed to death by somebody, it'll probably be a maester or Larys Strong!
@ninaxwings
Ай бұрын
I really wish she had accepted the clemency offered in the books and joined the blacks. She needed help with her visions and I just feel like The blacks are more knowledgeable about these things. Even better if she brought the children. Her brother husband would’ve flipped his shit but at least they wouldn’t have been in the castle for blood and cheese 😢
@yourdad6902
Ай бұрын
Theu arent rhaenyra is more clueless then anyone daemon is just a monster
@ninaxwings
Ай бұрын
@@yourdad6902 incorrect. She is too kind for her own good and her husband is a blundering idiot that wants the crown for himself. If the children had come to drag Stone when she offered At least Halaena would’ve had true Targaryens to support her and help her understand her dreams
@Okbyeji1234
2 ай бұрын
Poor girl
@alexthievery7834
Ай бұрын
She lowkey my favorite character
@LadyRose2023
2 ай бұрын
force to marry her brother and have his children.. yep.. that would make a person a bit unhappy..
@capysarah
2 ай бұрын
Not to defend Aegon II too much, but he was in the same position. It's clear he didn't want to marry Helaena. His mother and grandfather ordered him to procreate with his sister. He tries to be a good father to the son that results, only for the boy to be murdered and his mother and grandfather to use the body for political gain. Alicent and Otto treated their children/grandchildren like objects and regarded their free will as an inconvenience.
@user-eh4ht3nz3h
Ай бұрын
Helena dies before Aegon while Rhanerya holds Kings Landing.
@MissCandyTattoo
2 ай бұрын
The murder of her son is what triggered her mental decline
@EVILx3MPIRE
2 ай бұрын
She looks too much like Geoffrey; I can't unsee it
@Meldiocre
2 ай бұрын
I think I know what it is you’re seeing. They both have the pale, blond coloring, but more than that they both have round, short faces. Most notably probably is that they both have a short philtrum, the area between the nose and mouth. Regarding the mouth, they also both have small, pert mouths with thin lips. So their lower facial features can end up looking the tiniest bit squashed together. She’s still very pretty tho imo where in GOT I thought they had a lot of nerve to try to present the Joffrey actor as being one of the most handsome young men in Westeros. Uhm… o.o Haha don’t get me wrong tho he’s an amazing actor just a very awkward looking man
@annavictrix
Ай бұрын
Not to mention finding out her last child got ripped apart by a mob.
@jjjoorrddaan
Ай бұрын
Aww man idk which is worse. She killed herself or was pushed. Poor sweet Helaena. She’s one of the few actual innocent people in the show.
@DeMonfa13
2 ай бұрын
She looks somewhat like joffrey in the shot with the veil
@racheldawn65
2 ай бұрын
Prophets are always tortured; no one acts on their visions, so they foresee horrific atrocities but it doesn't matter. So they're forced to watch as they play out, knowing they could be stopped but won't be. It's a torturous existence. They often end up begging for help until it drives them mad. I think almost anyone would lose their mind if they'd experienced what she did. When you try to stop horrors but you can't it makes you lose faith in all of humanity and you become an extreme introvert and begin talking to yourself as a type of solace; it's too hard to watch the evil play out and the good side never fighting it bc they don't believe it's real. Every prophet ends up half mad and they're never successful. It's a tragic role. You can't change human nature, even if you can see the future - you can't change the material plane until it's already too late.
@Darkness-ie2yl
2 ай бұрын
even just being intelligent enough to be able to foresee outcomes has the same effect. no one listens, some are jealous of your ability as if you asked for it. you must watch misery after preventable misery unfold.
@blakbirdlok42069
2 ай бұрын
Helena deserved jace 😭
@kaylapuppyss
Ай бұрын
Out of the Greens, Helaena is my favourite, she’s just too pure and innocent. She deserved far better than what she handed in life.
@MiguelGarcia-hl5jo
Ай бұрын
OH EM GEEEEEEEEEEEE I wonder if they’re going to have her jump out the SAME WINDOW in the Red keep that Aegon pissed out of first season and where Tommen Baratheon JUMPED OUT IN GOT ….. something about that window
@darthdigital666
Ай бұрын
She had a vision of season 8 of Game of Thrones. Saw the coffee cup from Starbucks... ...it was too much for her.....
@dceasedbrickfan74
Ай бұрын
She deserved better. Her mom didn’t.
@filipr3336
Ай бұрын
She was murdered , that's obvious... Maybe she wouldn't ride her dragon into war and Kin-slayer Aemond pushed her in hopes of replacing her with another rider for Dreamfyre...
@barbarossa1780
Ай бұрын
Aegon outlived her and not the other way around.
@judgebao
Ай бұрын
Tbh, I don't want to see helaena die 🥺
@Serena_9
2 ай бұрын
I think she is introvert.
@broklynbby
2 ай бұрын
she's autistic
@robertblume2951
Ай бұрын
Based on had movements and sensory issues shown, I believe she is playing the character as autistic.
@anyashindler3781
2 ай бұрын
Aegon II outlived Haelena. So she was grieved by his death.
@ssri1675
Ай бұрын
She should've done something with her visions like all other ladies..
@Niko-ys9ie
Ай бұрын
Based off how these show runners are portraying the Green side, she will most likely be thrown into the spikes by one of her family members. Wish they would be more even when it comes to showing the good and bads of both because that’s the whole point in the story. Neither side is right or wrong
@caryanneg.1593
Ай бұрын
The most innocent of them all. Lost in tragedy and greed
@CherryJuli
Ай бұрын
She was probably killed. I can see how people were just fed up with the Targaryans and their senseless wars.
@josephtalmadge3108
Ай бұрын
Wow, joffeyerys younger brother jumped out the window in GOT when his wife was blown up to his death as well. See I never read the books
@buddastud5534
Ай бұрын
I think this actress was very lucky to get this part. It’s not often u see a princess that is so homely get such a part.
@lyndajaeger4477
Ай бұрын
She's very pretty, eye of the beholder I guess but pretty rude to say someone is homely.
@SoleilMagica
28 күн бұрын
she wasn't described as being beautiful in the books either
@Random_UserName4269
2 ай бұрын
She may have succumbed but I don’t believe her daughter did. The Peakes did that!
@jc0495
2 ай бұрын
I believe the same!
@jakemac1396
2 ай бұрын
She dies before her husband! She kills herself way before Aegon II gets assassinated. Am I wrong here from the book version?
@angelarandall143
Ай бұрын
Brother-Husband made me squeal 😂
@fivenightsatfreddysgameswo9689
29 күн бұрын
Sad biggest its a family destroying there own blood n making there bloodline extinct smh
@athirarajan187
Ай бұрын
She didn't deserve this 😢
@petrstanovsky7648
Ай бұрын
Im missing the part, when you mentioned Heleana could kill herself because of treatment and torture out of Rhaenyra and Mysaria side. That was important reason why people turn out against them.
@TimesFM4532
2 ай бұрын
Tbf her and the children where the ultimate victims
@alasarcher400
Ай бұрын
How could her mental state deteriorate due to her husbands death when she died before him?
@joshuapriest1249
Ай бұрын
I think aemond threw her for rejecting his advances when he took over
@kenzieblossom6974
2 ай бұрын
You know this show is messed up when you hear brother husband The story line itself is cool with the dragons and all but I can't get myself to attach to these characters because they are all incest or forced to marry brothers and sisters and uncles and aunts. I can't get past that fact despite it having been common back then. Thats my opinion and thats ok
@cycleoflife565
21 күн бұрын
Why are they speaking on events that have yet to happen on the series? Not everyone that watches the series have read the books.
@lacied4020
Ай бұрын
In the book her brother husband kills raenyra...after Helena had already killed herself so that would make no sense
@jom4237
Ай бұрын
Probably Alicent pushed her and that's why Helena said to her "i forgive you"
@indumatisarin1923
29 күн бұрын
Committed suicide due to seeing that horrible season finale Can we really blame her?
@motomami2213
28 күн бұрын
Something tells me Aemond kills her
@alexandrenicolaslonz3007
2 ай бұрын
The pause before "Heeleena" 😂
@theplot_twist
2 ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂😂
@byoung8529
2 ай бұрын
Poor baby :( x
@joseaguilar2978
Ай бұрын
I wonder in the show she will get her dragon 🐲 dream fire 🔥
@OathBlivion15
2 ай бұрын
Bro what the hell!?!?! I thought this would be a metaphorical short video on the end of Helaena's emotional well-being or something following episode 2, and you just come straight out with MASSIVE things that haven't happened yet? Where is the spoiler warning or at least a "from the books" warning. You just ruined my day, thanks.
@angelafahlenkamp9311
Ай бұрын
That will teach you not to watch this stuff if you don't want it ruined, this show is a prequel anyways...most know what happens already
@tiffaneymichellewashington8449
Ай бұрын
How did her other children die? I watched the episode with Blood and Cheese. I haven't read the book.
@BILLYRAYBOB9789
2 ай бұрын
Life went downhill after mercia
@summerinsolo
Ай бұрын
in the series helaena is dead bcs aemond kills her (watch the last episode of s2)
@prettycyber8332
2 ай бұрын
Always believes someone deleted her
@lachicafun
Ай бұрын
She was dead before Aegon was.
@nataliaferreyra8047
25 күн бұрын
Her other children died too??😢….😭😭😭
@gageczajkowski7755
Ай бұрын
She killed herself before Aegon 2 died
@nglijie5716
2 ай бұрын
Her death is going to break the broken Internet.
@mgalloway2012
Ай бұрын
Wait Helena’s other child died? When? What did I miss?
@CordsZ
2 ай бұрын
Helaena pre-deceased Aegon.
@karimmoorad9649
2 ай бұрын
"Hilina" 😭
@theplot_twist
2 ай бұрын
im sorryyyy 😭
@karimmoorad9649
2 ай бұрын
@@theplot_twist Valā kirine issa. 👍
@adrielotero8747
2 ай бұрын
Didn’t she die before her aegon? I thought her death was the reason the ppl rebelled against Rhaenyra & killed the dragons dragons.
@anajc9130
2 ай бұрын
Has this been shown already? Did she die in ep 2?
@daviddrennan1759
Ай бұрын
She married her brother.... Yup suicide was in her future.
@jean-claudeabela1877
2 ай бұрын
What if it was Larys Strong who pushed her? What a twist!
@theplot_twist
2 ай бұрын
o god
@nikapol25
2 ай бұрын
Did a Tommen or Tommen did a Heleana cause she went before him
@ItachiWindsor
2 ай бұрын
This is inaccurate. Helaena dies way before Aegon
@lorenzobrown4465
17 күн бұрын
Some accounts?? Who was making these speculations in a fictional world 😂😂😂 Wow making up an alternate universe and Believing it 😂😂😂
@benndarayta9156
2 ай бұрын
Wait, that was her son that was killed? I thought it was her younger siblings?
@fresher_123
Ай бұрын
In hod : she slipped and fell😂
@nancykent5784
Ай бұрын
Larys did it
@melissaisloud7404
2 ай бұрын
Larys…
@ivystrong7203
Ай бұрын
She's gonna lose another child?
@merlynfereira9631
Ай бұрын
hee-lee-na 😂
@pennygreenday4128
21 күн бұрын
I’m sorry her what 🥹
@markyinina1710
2 ай бұрын
What that fuck is it i didnt even watch the episode 3 ,damn
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