A brilliant folktale with some awesome scenery. I enjoyed the telling of this and should definitely make some more. Thanks for the shoutout, I truly appreciate this and looking forward to showing this to Egil. Yeah, copper was highly sort after by the eastern coastal Indians. They was a very good documentory on the BBC recently which is worth a watch. If I find theprogramme will leave it in a comment. Waes Hael.
@StefanMilo
6 жыл бұрын
Northworthy Sagas & Stories Thanks very much! I'm a big fan yours too. Your channel definitely inspired me. Keep up the good work!
@bsure4
4 жыл бұрын
what is the source of sound track for "first ship" ??
@richardh8082
2 ай бұрын
@@bsure4 Cuckoo You Too by Edward Karl Hanson (Sorry for late reply)
@RootsMilitantSound
5 жыл бұрын
This story continues further by another written account/telling. It involved these two hairy “bear”-men eventually earning their freedom because they were such skilled crafts-men (likely drawing from their European cultural background as shipsmen). They married Indian wives and eventually decided to leave with their Indian families, going East up Big River. I remember reading this tale when I was younger (growing up near the mouth of the River) and always wondering if there are more tales that could offer clues about these guys elsewhere (for example, where I’m currently at, further up-river in the Gorge area, etc). I wondered if they survived on their journey and where they ended up. The book that version is in, I am sure I still own it. I'm about to be out of country for a couple months, but I'll try to find it when I return.
@StefanMilo
6 жыл бұрын
Something a bit different this week, but I find these folk tales fascinating.
@GregPreece
6 жыл бұрын
FASCINATING
@StefanMilo
6 жыл бұрын
INDEED!
@tectosagos9327
6 жыл бұрын
Stefan Milo, this is a really nice telling. Ta very much! Just subscribed, looking forward to catching up!
@StefanMilo
6 жыл бұрын
Tecto Sagos Thanks, that means a lot! I'm always trying to put out some interesting and different content. Next week's video is on one of America's forgotten explorers, a slave named York.
@jasontwynn7356
3 жыл бұрын
My wife is native American turtle clan,from Michigan. Love your channel. Where's the spoon 🥄?
@Packless1
5 жыл бұрын
So bears invented navigation...? Well, in German experienced old sailors are nicknamed 'Seebären' (lit. 'Sea-bears')... ;-) ...so the story makes s.k.o.sense...! ;-)
@christopherellis2663
5 жыл бұрын
It has been shown that some word of mouth stories record events from as long as four thousand years ago. Others could be older, but the actual event has been lost in the retelling
@christosvoskresye
5 жыл бұрын
The key word being "SOME". It has also been shown that some stories get confused by accident almost immediately, other stories are manipulated towards some end, and yet others pretend to be older than they are. It's best to keep an open mind about how old and how accurate a story like this is rather than prematurely committing to one conclusion or another.
@scottinWV
4 жыл бұрын
I've never been so entertained while watching a smoldering piece of wood! Good story!
@denisesaunchegrow4088
4 жыл бұрын
You're doing an excellent job, the story of the Chinook and the first ship especially. Most tale have some original truths. I have thought they encountered Russians. You should do one on the Bridge of the Gods, here in Oregon also.
@noahinson
Жыл бұрын
You should keep doing stuff like this. I wish people could hear these stories more.
@marvinuhlmann
5 ай бұрын
Randomly shown by the algorithm after 5 years 😅 followed everything you've been doing for years but i didn't know this one. Little Baby Stefan ❤ happy to say that the sound improved somewhat 😂
@abrahamrovansek7384
3 жыл бұрын
Stefan puts the most effort into his backdrops
@toryfoster3300
2 жыл бұрын
Hey Stefan, I really enjoy these videos! So fascinating! Thank you for everything you do!
@scottinWV
4 жыл бұрын
A book I'll have to get some day.
@1goodpuppy
2 жыл бұрын
Ha, I just visited that boat last Summer. Spot on show.
@tectosagos9327
6 жыл бұрын
Nice one! Very cool.
@StefanMilo
6 жыл бұрын
Tecto Sagos Thanks! I'm going to do more native American folk tales on the channel.
@tectosagos9327
6 жыл бұрын
Stefan, that's excellent news. This tale is an interesting reminder of how folk tales originate. I often wonder if tales in Europe of the tall shining ones with there blazing weapons are a long memory of the first copper and bronze users, for example Sorry to ramble!
@StefanMilo
6 жыл бұрын
Tecto Sagos It really could be yeah. I just read an interesting article on the origins of the Incas. In their origin story they claim to originate around the lake titicaca region, recently scientists compared DNA from Inca remains to modern day residents of that area and they're a very close fit. A lot of these folk tales have their origins in a long forgotten history, I think so anyhow.
@tectosagos9327
6 жыл бұрын
Stefan, I love finding out that kind of thing! A slightly different example is the lively argument years ago about boar crests on helmets. You can't trust the sagas! Rubbish. Etc. Then they found one at a place called Bentey Grange, about 30 miles from where I live. So you never know! Cool.
@JakeConrad666
4 жыл бұрын
I've been to that shipwreck before!
@maxb482
4 жыл бұрын
Fascinating tale!
@AlexSalikan
3 жыл бұрын
A handful of 16th and 17th century Spanish artefacts have been found way up the Columbia river in Canada, and the first fur traders to reach the mouth of the Columbia said they met the son of a Spanish shipwreck survivor when they got there.
@Peter-gf4qd
3 жыл бұрын
I've been to this shipwreck
@perfectlycorrupt420
2 жыл бұрын
Is that the Peter Iredale? You come to Oregon?!
@coryherndon
2 жыл бұрын
Oh that's definitely the Iredale.
@juanpascallucianobravado6112
3 жыл бұрын
If it was a European ship that washed ashore with only two survivors and they were like most modern Europeans with full beards and body hair, that, to the relatively hairless native Americans of the northwest coast, twould’ve looked more like bears?
@lbbradley55
3 жыл бұрын
If you find this fascinating then research Tecumseh the Indian chief and his memoirs of when he and his tribe were on Ft Morgan Point (Alabama coast) next to Dauphin Island and the first ships come sailing over the horizon ! And do a video of that and what happened next !
@kirstenwhitworth8079
5 жыл бұрын
💖💖💖
@thenamethatwasntaken2314
4 жыл бұрын
I am curious, how old is this folktale? I see people saying it is Europeans, but depending on the age of the tale, it might be more likely that the "bears" were Chinese sailors. Very interesting.
@rexmundi3108
4 жыл бұрын
That would be unlikely considering that the Chinese never sailed to North America.
@leifvejby8023
4 жыл бұрын
@@rexmundi3108 They sailed almost everywhere else in the Pacific, so why not America?
@chrisball3778
3 жыл бұрын
The story specifically says the ship was covered in copper. Copper was sometimes used to 'sheathe' the hulls of wooden boats to protect them from salt water and from becoming encrusted with barnacles, shipworm and seaweed. It was a technique pioneered by the British Royal Navy in the 18th century (1700's) and was subsequently copied widely around the world. I've never heard of Chinese vessels using the technique before that, but it's not really a subject I know that much about. Most likely, though, the incident described happened in the 18th or early 19th century- after Europeans had colonised the Americas, but before they had reached the Northwestern United States, which is the Chinook homeland. The first recorded contact between Europeans and the Chinook was during the Lewis and Clark expedition of 1803-1806, and that was by land, so large ships would still have been a novelty to the Chinook for some time after that. The ship could have been from almost anywhere, as trade had become pretty global by that point.
@lesleeg9481
3 жыл бұрын
But wait! How did the Norse get to the Pacific Northwest? I'm confused.
@TeethToothman
5 ай бұрын
🫀🖤🫀
@kylebrown7968
3 жыл бұрын
Vikings bro thats dope
@twitchentropy7786
2 жыл бұрын
Don't mean to be too anal, but guess I am. Maybe it's the way a Brit pronounces Chinook (CHIN-ook), I always heard as a formerly, NW Washingtonian native (as in European-Anglo) Klickitat you did well, I believe Chinook should be sounded like (Shi)-nook.
@WillN2Go1
3 жыл бұрын
Great story. There's more to this. So here are these stone aged people acquiring advanced iron aged materials the trading of which makes them rich, but for how long? So it's not the wealth that really counts it's the know how and organization to make these things that is empowering. I own a Tesla and I own Tesla stock, and I'm a pretty smart guy - but in no way am able to do what Elon Musk and Tesla can do. So long as I remain connected with Tesla, I'll be rich, after me so will my son, but if Tesla sails away, or is burned on the beach, then it won't be long until all that's left to my descendants is just a story. So there's contact, trade, conquest, integration but it's the skills and organization that wind up being critical. (I guess neither of the two shipwrecked sailors was a ship's carpenter.) And the way one gets engineering ability is not only by being the son or daughter of an engineer - there are plenty of these people who never gain the skills of their parent. But perhaps a way of understanding the path to becoming integral to the technological world and its progress are young people who come from primitive farms and villages (I've been to these places and know some of these people) and seek education. Then they do whatever it takes to learn. Is this part of anthropology? I had no idea just how truly amazing anthropology was until I read David Graeber.
@douglasjohnson4382
Жыл бұрын
Kind of a depressing story really.
@GlobeOil0030official
5 жыл бұрын
So white men looks like bears to them LoL. That really funny. Great story
@welshpete12
4 жыл бұрын
Plug , plug , cheap advertising !
@bozo5632
4 жыл бұрын
Perfect British pronunciation of "Ortiz." You're in America now, Bud; speak American. It's pronounced more like orteece (slightly trill the r), or oarteez in Honko-American.
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