This album is the 21st century's 1984. Incredible video analysis.
@theskittlesmanreloaded
2 жыл бұрын
Have to say one of my favourite review on this album. I feel like this album is very very fitting for today's climate.
@WayToTheGrave
2 жыл бұрын
This is really a wonderfully researched and very modestly presented video, one of the best I've seen in quite some time. Wanted to make sure I left this comment because I imagine things like that are rare, didn't want to walk away without saying. Absolutely wonderful job friend.
@noisevortex
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for taking the time to leave a comment and thank you for your kind words. I really appreciate it!
@bhvrvlt
2 жыл бұрын
Freedom from Freedom is also a concept proposed by Erich Fromm I believe, who introduced it in order to explain why the youth of Germany gave in to national socialism in the 1930s. I believe DsO are aware of that concept. But nonetheless, a fantastic review and analysis! I still try to weave a thread from Synarchy to Furnaces but while the leap seemed huge two years ago, today I'm starting to see in a broad sense how the two are connected. Once again, great job!
@markusblatt7375
2 жыл бұрын
Great Work! Your interpretation of this vast and complex arrangement truly helped me to align it with my own analysis, thus helping me to fathom even deeper facets of this work. DSO are very close if not identical with the truth in some areas, which on the first insight always hurts. But it is a pain worth having leading to a more accurate understanding of fundamental processes others don't have. Thanks again!
@noisevortex
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, that's a very thoughtful comment!
@absencespodcast
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the plug! We appreciate it. Truly excellent work.
@joeyuzwa891
2 жыл бұрын
Perhaps the best review/video essay of an album I’ve ever seen. And I found it at the perfect time too seeing as I got into deathspell omega literally just within the past 24 hours. I’d liked them before, I’d heard abcission and first prayer and enjoyed them, but never delved any deeper for whatever reason. Being able to get a breakdown of this album the same day I heard it for the first time was very very cool and increased my appreciation for it as I wasn’t even fully aware it was a concept album. I vaguely knew it had authoritarian themes on at least some of the tracks but I didn’t know in what manner or to what extent. Great video, can’t wait to see more videos in this style
@noisevortex
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much, that's really great to hear! It took me a long time to find my way into the band's work so I'm really glad to hear that the video helped you engage even more deeply with this album. Feel free to check out the links in the credits section of the video. There is much more to discover!
@isitlucky5350
2 жыл бұрын
I think the most telling lyrics of the album is in the song ''Standing on the Work of Slaves'' this part in particular: ''You will be made to deny the dissonance and conflict that is at the heart of the experience of our World. You shall join the chorus of praise that flows from the absolute perfection we have created By the sole power of our will. We shall bleed you white, but you will think that it is an act of unconditional love. As an educational tool, pain has a value nothing can replace. It shall therefore be the cement of our society.'' And this part a bit after that: "We will pretend to have peace in our hearts yet, knowing that blows will avail, we shall keep the Dagger near.'' It's about totalitarianism clearly, and propaganda, giving away free agency over yourself for some greater good. But it's clear that they are taking the piss out of it by pointing out the deception and lying and manipulation. And, in my opinion even the way Mikko Aspa delivers those lyrics, it's clear that he's not condoning such ideology. It's delivered with contempt and rage, even. Regardless what folks think about Mikko, given what I've read from him for some 15 years, he values individuality, even arrogance, believing you are above others. He has a very cut throat/primitive idea of mankind, basically that men should rise above any failing/weakness they have and if they can't they are weak naturally. That kind of ''Weak will die, and that's good for nature'' ideology. I don't believe in it necessarily myself but given that that's his views it seems, there's no way he'd condone giving away power over himself to some totalitarian regime, or hoping that others do. So all that to say in less words, TLDR: the album is mostly narrative I think/not from a first person/personal perspective. Folks who are familiar with DsO would not have expected such an album given the bands history, anyway, so this work didn't surprise them or at least it didn't surprise me. People who got outraged at it believing it's a ''Call to Arms'' and literal or a manifesto or whatever are ignorant of DsO's work. They've never made music like that. It's never blatantly personal. It's always conceptual and narrative. The personal part may be some of the moods and emotions expressed in the music. Like I mentioned with Mikko's vocal delivery here. The band basically said as much in the interview they did like a year ago (maybe longer/more recent I don't remember) that they like some of the moods created in the studio working together. That the band is beyond an obsession for them. They love what they do and are passionate about it, clearly. Also it's clear that the album promotes, lyrically, if it's taken at face value, the idea that the only thing that matters is man made things, hard work, and it's almost anti-spirituality/individuality. Again there's no way the band agrees with that message given their history. I will think some more about your conclusion for the album though, and listen to the album with that in mind next time. I had not heard that Timo Ketola had died. That's sad. He was a great artist. Added a lot to the band's aesthetic. In some ways he almost was a member of the band.
@n1w4
2 жыл бұрын
I agree with your message on the band & album. I would, however, never go within 100 miles of defending or sympathising with Aspa. From his fascistic beliefs to his paedophilic zine publication, he's far beyond capitulation.
@isitlucky5350
2 жыл бұрын
@@n1w4 He is a regular guy with a regular life, runs a record store in Finland and is even married. I think he likes to push the extremes in art. No doubt about that. He also definitely has fascistic beliefs and he is serious about them, no one would argue he didn't. But at the end of the day he's just as nerdy as the guys in DsO are. If people don't like him for his beliefs, that's understandable and that's their right but to take his power electronics project (which is almost certainly a way to explore dark subject matter/poke holes in fake morality, etc. - something he's done his entire career in music) and interests in porn as some way to say he's a real life pervert is a bit of a stretch. I've talked to some people who did know him in Finland and say he's a regular dude.
@davidm6054
2 жыл бұрын
are you saying you think the album does promote that man-made things/antispirituality are the only thing that matters? that's clearly an element but i got the opposite impression, that the elevation of mankind is what leads to this nightmare world they're describing. the bardo methodology interview is also pretty explicit with that, that the elevation of man as something apart from and above "nature" is declaring war on life itself. totalitarianism stems from that impulse to separate from nature, the totalitarian ideology can't coexist with anything, that's what "total" is meant to convey. early german scientific forestry fell into this trap, creating monoculture forests and wiping out insects, fungus, anything that wasn't the trees they wanted to harvest for lumber. there's a lot of kinship between that and something like the holocaust. the totalitarian state will take everything inside itself; anything outside itself must be destroyed. "We will turn this world into a cemetery rather than not regenerate it our own way. We will clean out the marsh at all costs, make a clean slate from the old spectral world. We will cause a collective trauma that will vomit out a magma upon which we could reach for the stars. From the legion of those adrift to the legion of One, from lively chaos to sterile order, from life to death: what a triumph!" or maybe you didn't mean the album promoted that idea, and i'm just babbling to someone who already agrees with me. anyway, i'd say the word of the day for furnaces is "misanthropy" more than "antispirituality"
@stevencooper3202
2 жыл бұрын
It’s so funny people think Aspa is a nazi. He’s as much a nazi as Sid Vicious was when he wore a ns armband as part of his stage getup
@n1w4
2 жыл бұрын
@@stevencooper3202 In the 2015 NS book 'Wolves Among Sheep', Aspa noted "It would appear that I know, live and identify more with national socialism than most of the people that describe themselves as such [nation socialist]." In tandem, he noted: "I identify with that natural hierarchies and biological truths should be accepted". In a 2020 interview with Excuse the Blood (linked below), Aspa said "I believe that the most important factor is that the creator himself has genuine sense of importance of his work." In this way we can see all of his artistic and ideological statements and committed and genuine. Aspa' projects Clandestine Blaze and Vapaudenristi both have collaborated with and performed with various outwardly NS bands on splits, gigs and festivals. In October 2016, Aspa supportied Jesse Eppu Torniainen, a convicted murderer active in the fascist Nordic Resistance Movement. Vapaudenristi performed for the after-party of 612 rally in December 2017. The rally was organised by Sarastus, a fascist Finnish website. (Posters linked below). The artist has performed on various outwardly NS projects such as Deathkey (Doctrine of Intolerant Hatred, 2010) and Bizarre Uproar (4raajahalvaus, 2002; alias 'Adolf Christ'). (See discogs). He has offered contributions in other ways, such as writing lyrics for avowed NS band Pagan Skull (White Genocide, 2016); in 2021, Aspa recorded drums for Knife, a project of Graf Werewolf, known for projects Gestapo 666 (Gestapo of Satan: "And Worship Your Ego forever Be Eternal S.S / Be Eternal Cyrus / Be Eternal Arya") and Satanic Warmaster (My Dreams of 8: "Lighting the path of blood and honour"; "One state, one folk, one leader, a true revelation"; "My dream of your empire / Fills me with joy"). (See Encyclopedia Metallum). His record labels, Northern Heritage and Freak Animal, and his physical store, Sarvilevyt, have released, stocked and sold NS bands. Among the bands you can support through Aspa are: Dark Fury, Devilry, Fatherland, Goatmoon, Graveland, Absurd and Intolitarian. Moreover, Aspa sells explicitly fascist literature such as the Ukonvasama fanzine and Poliittinen Sotilas, promoting third-way neo-fascism. (see images below). Aspa promotes and identifies with NS ideology in his actions and his words. Asserting he is, if nothing else, sympathetic to and closely aligned with NS ideology is a form of Nazi apologetics that completely ignores reality. Sid Vicious was no saint but comparing him to Aspa is a joke. varisverkosto.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/support_eppu_mistreat_goatmoon_civic_duty_marder_vapaudenristi_liittoneuvosto_tukikeikka.jpg varisverkosto.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/kuva2.jpg varisverkosto.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/kuva16.jpg varisverkosto.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/kuva15.jpg
@wheelsofmercury
2 жыл бұрын
This was a very well-produced and well-researched video! DsO are musically and lyrically very fascinating as far as a black metal band goes. I'm just really getting into them now with their recently released new album and I have heard Furnaces of Palingenesia as well. Again, great video on this album, especially if you're watching it from an unbiased standpoint.
@noisevortex
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much, it means a lot to me. Enjoy your time with the band and their catalogue, there is a lot to discover!
@MisterBrimm
2 жыл бұрын
This is one of the first albums to really get me into dissonant, avant-garde metal. When it comes to music, if the atmosphere and narrative is engaging, I won't ponder the artist's politics if I can help it. I did take this album as a critique of power to some extent, but whatever its purpose its compositions are fascinating.
@Dun4nlol
2 жыл бұрын
Mikko Aspa is just a singer and used as a "tool". He has no influence on the band lyrics, imagery or philosophy, he is just here to sing.
@breathinglead871
2 жыл бұрын
A fantastic tool at that
@Dun4nlol
2 жыл бұрын
@@breathinglead871 oh definitely
@Robobotic
8 ай бұрын
Yeah keep telling yourself that
@Dun4nlol
8 ай бұрын
@@Robobotic thats the truth, he is not even the main singer anymore. Read DSO interviews, they are nothing like this moron
@Dun4nlol
7 ай бұрын
@@Robobotic get a brain
@i.hold.vertigo2329
Жыл бұрын
Admittedly, I am more of a DsO fan for their sound rather than looking to them for any kind of message. Regardless of what you think of the controversy surrounding them, it's a damn shame such a creative band has been tainted for so many. Their musicianship really is that good.
@TheHammerofDissidence
2 жыл бұрын
Furnaces is one of the very few albums I can say is genuinely terrifying, at least for me. It might be my favorite DSO record. Any plans to delve into "The Long Defeat?" Great work!
@noisevortex
2 жыл бұрын
I've been thinking about a video for the new one but it's too early to tell.
@breathinglead871
2 жыл бұрын
I have the same feelings towards Furnaces. Easily their darkest and most terrifying release. However, I am a HUGE fan of The Long Defeat now. The whole album is so finely tuned that only DSO could pull it off and make it a unique offering.
@andychrist338
Жыл бұрын
That’s the DSO Slipknot record right? Album is SHIT.
@reweweiss4806
Жыл бұрын
Deathspell Omega is that only band that terrifies me seriously, and I am a black metal fan. I even had some awkward and scary experience of feeling of the presence od evil while listening to their Fas - Ite, Maledicti, in Ignem Aeternum album. It might sound funny but for me was like a threat.
@Maggot91ify
2 жыл бұрын
Great video Interesting analysis I'll say, this album is among my favourites of DSO so it's always good to see an interesting analysis of it
@Katechon1349
2 жыл бұрын
Saubere Leistung Kollege. Ne Menge Fans stehen auf dieses Album nicht aber meine Meinung nach ist es ein Meisterwerk
@Blackerer
2 жыл бұрын
You know, when the "controversy" happened. I just decided to read the lyrics again. The "band" is not wrong. It is there in plain sight to anyone who understands the basic metal lyrics trope of writing from the point of the "bad guy". Every metalhead should be able to produce tens, if not hundreds of bands with lyrics of the cruelty of war from the point of the one perpetrating the cruelty. Same with religion. Furnaces was awesome. Besides the irony that the critics act like members of The Order described in the lyrics is ABSOLUTELY exquisite.
@calebarthur2125
2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic review of this album. This has been one of my favorite albums in the past few years, and I feel as if it has been quite prophetic of events that have been occurring globally. It is different for a DsO album, but that is what makes it great. It is a positive change that has contrast to their previous work.
@noisevortex
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Caleb. And well said!
@hatecraft6669
Жыл бұрын
finally a channel (or at least a video haven't checked the others yet :) ) that goes deep into the actual themes behind the Art. Deserves more views!
@yggdasil
2 жыл бұрын
Awesome and interesting analysis! Thnxx for making it!
@noisevortex
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot!
@Dummertrummer
2 жыл бұрын
I would LOVE a video like this, going through every DsO record! One video for each album.
@noisevortex
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I would love to be able to do that. Furnaces, while embedded into the band's overall philosophical framework of beliefs, is relatively self-contained. As such it was possible to make a video that looks only at Furnaces in this level of detail and generates an interpretation based on that analysis. In the case of the trilogy for example, all of the albums and EPs that constitute the trilogy are interwoven and linked so, realistically, an analysis of the trilogy would require me to look at every album and EP in the trilogy individually and link those findings to create an overall interpretation of the trilogy as a whole. While this is a very intriguing thought considering I would love to understand the band's body of work better, it would require a lot of time and knowledge, both of which I unfortunately don't have enough of. I received a tremendous amount of assistance in the creation of this video that made it possible for it to become what it is. The most I can say right now is that I MIGHT make a video about The Long Defeat, but no promises on that for now. That being said, thank you very much for your comment, I appreciate it!
@snoweh1
2 жыл бұрын
>O Satan, I acknowledge you as the Great Destroyer of the Universe. >All that has been created you will corrupt and destroy. >Exercise upon me all your rights. >I spit on Christ's redemption and to it I shall renounce. >My life is yours Lord, let me be your herald and executioner. >My actions shall lead other hearts away from salvation >All shall acknowledge Your sacred royalty and crawl in terrified devotion. "Wow, sick lyrics, dude!" >The Furnaces of Palingenesia "Oh no no no, fascist man shady and evil!'
@snoweh1
2 жыл бұрын
I haven't actually listened to this album yet, but this was an interesting analysis. Funny you conclude The Order is Satan, which I would agree (based on your analysis), and which the lyrics I posted above, before even finishing the video, seem to fit perfectly with.
@AtrocityEquine01
2 жыл бұрын
The album speaks well to me over the fact it's an anti authoritarian album and yet people misinterpreted as a genuine one
@breathinglead871
2 жыл бұрын
People don't seem to realize that even the members of DSO are normal people subjected to the same governments and cultures as the rest of their countrymen.
@AtrocityEquine01
2 жыл бұрын
@@breathinglead871 oh but they LOVE to focus more on the Mikko Aspa drama
@stevesullivan8405
Жыл бұрын
Very very well done, my friend. The Bardo interview (which reads more like a research paper) was thoroughly confusing for me and you smoothed that right over. Many thanks for taking the time and effort, it definitely comes through.
@noisevortex
Жыл бұрын
Thank you, Steve! I had the same impression after reading the interview for the first time. After reading the lyrics of the album more closely, contemplating them and then reading the interview again, things really fell into place for me and I'm still amazed by the firm grasp the band has on their vision. The interviews really expand upon the content of the album and after reading the interview it becomes apparent that the album channels the purest essence of what the band wants to say.
@sniklenave6557
2 жыл бұрын
Damn. You seem like you’ve got your shit together so I’m sure you don’t care, but you deserve way more subs.
@noisevortex
2 жыл бұрын
I'm glad to hear that I can make that impression 😃Thank you so much for your kind words, I really appreciate it!
@elsaunadelhype
2 жыл бұрын
the best review of this album ever made❤🎉
@billpeel4408
2 жыл бұрын
this was great, but I strongly disagree with DsO's claim that Bataille was anti-communist. Anti-Stalinist perhaps, but Marx runs through his work a great deal
@TemploSagital
7 ай бұрын
Yes!!! Totally agree, Bataille was explicit about Communism as the most "rational" social structure, but also he think in terms of sacred "side" is beyond rationalism... but is a matter of dialect between sacred and profanity
@emergentform1188
Жыл бұрын
Fantastic. I will crap my pants if you do a vid about the eternal masterpiece that is Chaining the Kathechon. Or even Diabolus Absconditus with all its existentialist angst and struggling to find meaning in apparent meaninglessness. Totally subbed.
@fenjohrer
2 жыл бұрын
What do you think about switching Absolutist Regeneration and Renegade Ashes in the tracklisting? The album seems to flow much better, as Renegade Ashes has always felt to me as the most climactic song, and the synths at the end lead perfectly into You Cannot Even Find the Ruins... Also, it would make thematic sense, as it seems to me that The Order would like everyone to believe that things end in a totalitarian Absolutist Regeneration as opposed to the Renegade Ashes of a rebellion. These lyrics come to mind: "Freedom of thought will be terminated. Everything is a lie but that which we feed you, believe me. If your thoughts collide with what we Say, these thoughts can not be yours." Thank you for your great in-depth analysis of one of my favorite albums. Incredible work!
@noisevortex
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I've heard about switching these two around before but I've only entertained the thought briefly. In terms of how the content and narrative flows, I think I'm pretty content with the album. I think what complicates this proposition is that Absolutist Regeneration has lyrics for two songs. There was supposed to be another song between Absolutist Regeneration and You Cannot Even Find the Ruins..., the band talks about it in their Bardo Methodology interview: "Year ∞ was supposed to be the album’s eleventh track but a mundane yet crucial point hindered its completion: as any audiophile knows, cram too much music on a vinyl record and the sound will eventually suffer no matter the quality of the cut. However, the lyrics, being an integral part of the whole, remained." So, what would the album sound like if that song was actually there? Maybe its absence is what gave people the idea to switch Renegade Ashes and Absolutist Regeneration around in the first place?!
@fenjohrer
2 жыл бұрын
@@noisevortex Thanks for the info/reply!
@noisevortex
2 жыл бұрын
@@fenjohrer You're welcome!
@altern4795
Жыл бұрын
I find this band, their ideas, and their intellectual pedigree monumentally overrated. For my part, I would much rather just read instead of sit through several hours of avant-garde dissoblack/death that does very little for me (I’m not so ignorant to call them bad however; they are unequivocally excellent at what they do, are considerably more intelligent than most musical acts in any genre, and it is no surprise that so many have tried to imitate them and failed), but I admire fans’ willingness and ability to dissect DSO’s output regardless, even if it verges on absurd to me at times. This video specifically is far more sophisticated and articulate than the overwhelming majority of analyses on YT and even outclasses a lot of the drivel I had to sit through at university with material that deserved much better than it got. Props to you
@noisevortex
Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for your thoughtful comment, Cristian. Thankfully, I think you can enjoy and understand their lyrical content without even listening to the music. As I mention in the credit section of the video, my friend that helped me tremendously with analyzing this album also hasn't even heard a single note of their music. Beyond that, it took me years to get into DsO's music myself but once I did they became one of my favorite bands. If you want to, feel free to share some of your favorite albums here or via the channel's e-mail address. As to my approach when I made this video: A lot of what I read about the band's music and lyrical content struck me as too intelligent for its own good, and I don't mean that in a negative sense. DsO formulate their views in high level and cryptic terms, in my opinion, even though Furnaces was a lot more straightforward compared to previous works. As such, I don't think it serves the purpose of communicating an interpretation of their albums to articulate oneself on their level. What I mean by this is that I try to distill what I think this album is about into a simpler or clearer structure than the original work to make the album more accessible. That is really what I hope my videos can be: A way for people into albums I think deserve more love and attention.
@rorke6092
Жыл бұрын
I think, given Mikko Aspa's controversy, this album is a sort of statement by the band being cynical about the ideologies behind NSBM and RABM, and distancing themselves from them.
@chickenbonelives
Жыл бұрын
Great review
@eyesontheinside5776
2 жыл бұрын
This has to be one of my favorite videos of all time. Theres only one band that is equal to deathspell omegas creativity and messages. Teitanblood. Death. I wish youd look at that one and dissect it.
@noisevortex
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much, I really appreciate it!
@tripeldaytona4243
2 жыл бұрын
Well analyzed !!
@Juqqxman
2 жыл бұрын
This was great. Thanks
@RoiHibou
Жыл бұрын
Phenomenal analysis.
@menelvegor
2 жыл бұрын
What a beautiful video.
@kittavares4334
2 жыл бұрын
I'm guessing Saint-Fond is a character from one of Marquis de Sade stories.
@amosc768
7 ай бұрын
There's no place for evil in black metal!
@karlsson4621
2 жыл бұрын
My album of the year!
@SlyHikari03
Жыл бұрын
WyattXHim brought me here.
@Brutal_Warlord
6 ай бұрын
I can't take seriously someone wearing a liturgy t-shirt.
@nicholaspullen6608
2 жыл бұрын
Its utterly baffling how on earth a members political ideas matters in even the slightest. only absolute posers would even pretend to care.
@darwinism18
2 жыл бұрын
And more than that, virtue signaling while listening to black metal... that's how far we have come to rightfully deserve the revenge of mother Nature.
@stevencooper3202
2 жыл бұрын
It only became a thing due to the scene not gatekeeping antifa and normie scumbags out. Pretty much the internet let everyone in on the underground
@luciferianilluminations
2 жыл бұрын
Man, I am literally jealous ... you know a lot about my by far most favourite band. The controversies against DsO and the role of Mikko Aspa is the usual politically-correct BS and the lack of understanding of the concept behind The Furnaces of Palingenesia, which you deciphered brilliantly. I think one of the main forces behind the awesomeness of DsO, specially after SMRC is the phenomenal vocal performances of Mikko (just think what *Abscisson* would sound without Mikko's unparalleled powerful vocals in that out-of-this-world mastercraft of DsO), he is performing at his best, far far better than his own projects, in DsO. Without Mikko's vocal performances, DsO would lose a lot. Man, I was thinking to write up a booklet on The Trilogy and EPs in between, especially *Kénôse* and *Veritas Diaboli Manet in Aeternum: Chaining the Katechon* and I started it at some point few years back but stopped due to various reasons specially my lack of proper understanding. I would love to know your interpretation and the continuity of ideas in DsO music and ideology during that era.
@noisevortex
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for your kind words, I really appreciate it! But don't thank me, because without all the help I received for this video it wouldn't have been nearly the same. So if you want to learn more, I strongly recommend you check out the sources I mention in the credits section as well as the description of the video. The DsO subreddit especially contains A LOT of thoughtful discussions and insightful information about the band and their music. I would love to make a video or series of videos about the trilogy but seeing as this video took me months to create, a video about the entire trilogy would be a monumental undertaking. That being said, there are some people out there who are far more knowledgeable about the band's content than I am and if I'm not mistaken, some of them are working on that already. Once again, thank you so much, I hope the sources I mentioned will let you dive even deeper into the band's output!
@luciferianilluminations
2 жыл бұрын
@@noisevortex Putting all those information together and making this video is a heroic task and hence I thank you. I will definitely check those sources and try my best to get back writing a proper (or my understanding) of DsO during The Trilogy era ... keep up the fantastic work my man!
@noisevortex
2 жыл бұрын
@@luciferianilluminations Thanks a lot, man. Feel free to share your work when it's done!
@z0h33y
5 ай бұрын
1. I love Clandestine Blaze. 2. Deathspell Omega just doesnt do anything for me. I'd rather listen to Blut Aus Nord.
@ThatOneGuy7550
Жыл бұрын
I love DsO but you're really wrong about Bataille, he was not "above left or right" ideas. Looking into any biography (or critical introduction) about him, there are some things to note: Bataille opposed the Nazi and fascist appropriation of Nietzsche to a politics of purity, this can be found in his essay ‘Nietzsche and the Fascists’ (January 1937). Bataille himself was part of Democratic Communist Circle in 1931 and then later helped found Counter-Attack in 1934 at the time of the Popular Front. Counter-Attack attempted to use the popular energies that fascism had aroused among the masses against fascism. Doing any amount of research on him isn't that hard.
@noisevortex
Жыл бұрын
I'm afraid you'd have to take that one up with the band. I'm really just paraphrasing from the interview excerpt on the screen in that part. Thanks for adding some context though. As I make clear at various points in the video, I'm by no means an expert but I still wanted to talk about the album to the best of my ability.
@ThatOneGuy7550
Жыл бұрын
@Noise Vortex I am aware of what the band has said on the matter - that's their interpretation. However, basic research on Bataille's life disproves the statement that he was somehow "apolitical," like the statement you made early in the video. If you are gonna talk about Bataille, I would advise you to actually use first-hand sources on him rather than second-hand information from an interview. Bataille's political activism was an indisputable part of his life while he was a philosopher and that cannot be divorced from who he was. Basic research isn't so hard to do on this, and that's not really an excuse.
@noisevortex
Жыл бұрын
@@ThatOneGuy7550 If you understand the band's interpretation of Bataille that is all there is to it as there is no more than that in the video. At no point do I call the band or album apolitical. That is simply putting words in my mouth. One of the main points to take away from this video is that while Furnaces... is a political album, it neither takes the left or right side of the political spectrum and to understand that, the band's reading of Bataille is key. If it wasn't clear, that is the entire point why I said that Furnaces... goes beyond politics in the video title.
@ThatOneGuy7550
Жыл бұрын
@@noisevortex Not putting words in your mouth, you should check your script again because you say from: 6:31 - 6:41 that and I quote: "Bataille was both anti left and anti right wing so DsO view him and subsequently themselves as immune to mundane politics as they put it" again you are just repeating a second hand source (an interview) w/o doing any basic research on Bataille, this obviously paints him in a disengenious light for the reasons I have mentioned above, suggesting the band believes this without giving some background on Bataille's actual history as a political activist is just a blatant mischaracterization of him. That's my only issue with your video. Again. basic research isn't that hard. Also my complaint wasn't about the actual album, please reread my comment again lmao
@noisevortex
Жыл бұрын
@@ThatOneGuy7550 You're free to take issue with how this video paints Bataille but I don't agree with your assessment that the interview quote or my paraphrase of it portraits Bataille's political views and activities incorrectly despite its brevity. So there was no need to flesh out that segment with more background information on that part of Bataille's life. And once again, you're really just shooting the messenger here.
@keepingitdownwiththepashas
Жыл бұрын
Bro do New thantifaxath album
@irockmajorly
2 жыл бұрын
Fascistinating
@olionele
2 жыл бұрын
clandestine blaze is not nsbm band
@n1w4
2 жыл бұрын
Lyrically, it is.
@darwinism18
2 жыл бұрын
Who cares, CB are great band as well. It is black metal, stop asking for political correctness.
@n1w4
2 жыл бұрын
@@darwinism18 1. I didn't. 2. Why not?
@nicholaspullen6608
2 жыл бұрын
@@n1w4 wrong genre.
@darwinism18
2 жыл бұрын
@@n1w4 why not? Because it is black metal. It is in its DNA to be provocative and identitarian. It is not some musical fest to celebrate diversity and the brotherhood of mankind. Go and listen to Eurovision if you're looking for that. So, I don't care if it is NSBM or not, the music is the most important thing.
@NefastusJones
11 ай бұрын
So.....Deathspell Omega are the black metal equivalent of Steely Dan? Gotcha.
@stevencooper3202
2 жыл бұрын
What, a liturgy hipster doesn’t buy into the muh dso are nazis reeeeeee. What a strange timeline we live in
@SlyHikari03
2 жыл бұрын
I know. It’s almost like this genre’s fanbase isn’t 99% hipsters.
@stevencooper3202
2 жыл бұрын
I miss the days where we bashed marxists and normie npc grey thinkers for entering our thing. Internet ruined the underground
@tighearnachtearny4440
Жыл бұрын
"Normie"? Nerds aren't welcome in the black metal scene
@stellarcubicbeam7760
Жыл бұрын
I go from Babymetal to Deathspell Omega, your underground is dirty.
@jeffjohnson419
Жыл бұрын
Lol go back to metal archives and find obscure bands no one has heard of or cares about then? That’s what elitists like you did back in the days too.
@stellarcubicbeam7760
Жыл бұрын
@@jeffjohnson419 leave, with that attitude.
@droptherapy2085
6 ай бұрын
Now try that without the buzzwords
@luxinterna3370
9 ай бұрын
Clandestine Blaze > Deathspell Omega
@matternicuss
13 күн бұрын
Clandestine Blaze is okay, but there are much better Finnish BM bands like Horna and Satanic Warmaster, etc
@luxinterna3370
13 күн бұрын
@@matternicuss I don't agree with that. Considering that the sound is completely different, I wouldn't want to compare the bands anyway. Clandestine Blaze stands on its own. I find Horna boring. If so, I would also like to mention Sargeist and Antimateria.
@matternicuss
13 күн бұрын
@@luxinterna3370 I also think it's a bit silly to compare Clandestine Blaze with DSO, as they have completely different sounds and goals. I love Sargeist, but Horna's Corvus era is untouchable for me
@luxinterna3370
13 күн бұрын
@@matternicuss I'm basing the comparison on Mikko and which project made more of an impression on me. In my opinion, DSO is overhyped, confusing noise, whereas CB is criminally overlooked. Musically you are of course right that the comparison makes no sense
@matternicuss
13 күн бұрын
@@luxinterna3370 I can understand how DSO might be difficult to enjoy for everyone. I was already used to more dissonant bands like Gorguts by the time I heard DSO, so it didn’t register as “noise” the same way. Immolation are another good “beginner friendly” dissonant band, but death metal obviously
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