_Yes it is of course correct that the world's first jet powered aircraft to exceed 1000 mph was indeed a British aircraft._ *_Contrary to copious & ubiquitous posts regarding accident losses of various UK aircraft._* *As they mentioned previously, the Sea Vixen & Gloster Meteor were indeed very competent & beautiful aircraft.* _In fact the Meteor was the world's first aircraft to exceed 0.85 on the combined 2 year looks & capability scale for jet fighter aircraft._ Indeed A rather superb Gloster Meteor was the world's first Turboprop aircraft in 1945. In 1945 & 1946 trail blazing Gloster Meteors set world speed records. Yes, of course it is correct that British military aircraft at the time did not have unusually high accident losses rates. *For example* De Havilland Vampire & Sea Vixen & Gloster Meteor accident losses were not high or unusual for fighter aircraft at the time. Non combat phase accident losses % of Aircraft built. The Canadair CL-44 was a turboprop airliner. *_Canadair CL-44 (ff 1959 ) 48%_* *Lockheed XF104 (ff 1954) 100%* *Lockheed P80 (ff 1944) 43%* *Lockheed F104 (ff 1954) 45%* *McDonnell FH Phantom (ff 1945) 35%* *_Gloster Meteor (ff 1943) 17%_* *_DH Vampire (ff 1943) 23%_* *_DH Sea Vixen (ff 1951) 33%_* *_Gloster Javelin (ff 1951) 20%_* After 1943 it was indeed obviously the case that the Gloster Meteor was not required for use over German territory & it was felt important to prevent examples of the aircraft getting into German or Russian hands. The Meteor & it's engines were of course superior in almost all respects to anything being produced anywhere else in the world at the time. Cheers 👍 & 😎 & of course 🙂 indeed. _Toodle_ *PIP* -Old- *_Chaps_* .. . .. . ... .... . .... . ..... ....... xcvvvvvvvviix cvvvvvvcvvvvv
@petemaly8950
3 күн бұрын
*_Contrary to various copious & ubiquitous posts regarding accident losses of various UK aircraft._* *As they know, the Sea Vixen & Gloster Meteor were indeed very competent & beautiful aircraft.* _In fact the Meteor was the world's first aircraft to exceed 0.85 on the combined 2 year looks & capability scale for jet fighter aircraft._ _A rather superb Gloster Meteor was the world's first Turboprop aircraft in 1945 Gloster Meteors set gas turbine aero engine powered aircraft speed records in 1945 & 1946._ *Of course, British military aircraft at the time did not have unusually high accident losses rates.* *_For example_* De Havilland Vampire & Sea Vixen & Gloster Meteor accident losses were not high or unusual for fighter aircraft at the time. Non combat phase accident losses % of Aircraft built. The Canadair CL-44 was a turboprop airliner. *_Canadair CL-44 (ff 1959 ) 48%_* *Lockheed XF104 (ff 1954) 100%* *Lockheed P80 (ff 1944) 43%* *Lockheed F104 (ff 1954) 45%* *McDonnell FH Phantom (ff 1945) 35%* *_Gloster Meteor (ff 1943) 19.75%_* *_DH Vampire (ff 1943) 23%_* *_DH Sea Vixen (ff 1951) 33%_* *_Gloster Javelin (ff 1951) 20%_* A comparison of two particular particularly relevant militarily related aircraft. Gloster Meteor. 3950 Built. 70% did not have ejector seats. In service 1944. 830 accident losses. 436 accident loss fatalities. 20% accident losses. 11% accident loss Fatalities. Lockheed F104. 2578 Built. In service 1958, 14 years after the Meteor. All had ejector seats. 1100 accident losses. 425 accident loss fatalities. 43% accident losses. 17% accident loss Fatalities. Cheers 👍 & 😎 & of course 🙂 indeed. _Toodle_ *PIP* -Old- *_Chaps_* .. . .. . ... .... . .... . ..... ...... xcvvvvvvvviix cvvvvvvcvcvv
@TheTraveller20081
3 ай бұрын
interesting video, @whichva. A new take on the Meteor story - I'm very aware of the design shortcomings of it (straight wings, separated engines, underpowered in Mk1 form) but I'd not really thought about why. Your subtitle was very apt - too early for the huge advances in tech that saw the next iterations of jets leap so much farther forward; too late to really make a mark on the air war for which it was conceived. Good stuff - you have a new subscriber. Tips (easy to say from a non-creator!): less music please. People who like aviation tech tend to prefer silence over musak, and when there are engines to listen to on any film footage we'll always rather hear them.
@clessiodaniel5926
3 жыл бұрын
I'm Brazilian. I'm 73 years old. I remember when Brazil bought the Gloster Meteor from England. I was 5 years old when I saw it flying over Brazil. It was amazing to see such a beautiful Fighter fling. I started to admire the English people when I saw that plane for the first time. We're indebted to the English people for it all.
@abwo47
3 жыл бұрын
Hello Clessio...I'm 73 years of age too and I do remeber the Gloster Meteor as well. As a young boy I went numerous times to a near by Airbase (AB Soesterberg The Netherlands) in the late 50's and early 60's and saw het last Meteors flying there, before they were replaced by the Hawker Hunter, most beautiful fighter ever built. Kind regards/ate logo
@nickinportland
3 жыл бұрын
Both of you are lucky!
@narabdela
2 жыл бұрын
Hi clessio. The Gloster Meteor isn't an English aircraft, it's a British aircraft.
@barrierodliffe4155
2 жыл бұрын
@@narabdela Gloster is about as English as you can get. built in England by the English.
@narabdela
2 жыл бұрын
@@barrierodliffe4155 Maybe you mean 'Gloucester'?...or are you just a confused Little Englander?
@petemaly8950
3 күн бұрын
Indeed it is of course the case that we have some Meteor notes. Of course we have previously made the comparison between Meteor and Me262 with all the statistics one could wish for. “Frank Whittle (jet engine inventor, first to patent 1929) and George Carter (Gloster Meteor designer) both ensured the outperformance of their German rivals was made accountable to 29 measures of aeronautical excellence: 1 Meteor had greater armament. A larger wing carried a staggering 24 rockets to Me262 sixteen (see Meteor ‘Reaper’ below) and a (one off) 57mm cannon anti-tank version. Meteor could also carry more bombs (see official load capacity below). Whilst both aircraft’s four cannon layout was numerically equal, Meteor used Hispano (arguably the war’s best 20mm) whilst 262 used Mk108, a questionable choice due to its short barrel, low velocity (540 mps) and high trajectory curve inaccuracy. It is clear which aircraft had an often bigger and always more accurate punch 2 Meteor, having dive brakes, was a more stable gun platform. 262, having none, had uncontrollable dive speeds resulting in a reduced window of two seconds to fire cannon at optimum range (official post war RAF report below). It is clear which aircraft’s more accurate munitions were fired for more sustained periods 3 Meteor’s engines were reliable. Me262 Junkers Jumo 004 jet engine (lacking specialist alloys due to not knowing stuff), lasted 10 hours before requiring replacement. Meteor’s engines lasted 250 hours. 4 Poor heat management caused Jumo to flame as temperatures rose (over 200 Luftwaffe pilots were killed by their own exploding engines). It is clear which aircraft remained airborne longer Unlike 262, Meteor did not stall when power was applied quickly (or decreased not slowly enough). It was difficult for 262 to dogfight or to take off quickly to intercept with such acceleration hindrances. 262 was destroyed in large numbers when returning to land -slow deceleration to landing speed (avoiding said stalls) enabled Allied piston engined fighters (notably DeHavilland Mosquito) to destroy 262 in industrial numbers. It is clear which aircraft had an all too exploitable and fatal Achilles heel 5 Meteor clipped short wings ensured excellent turn rate, whereas 262 substandard turn radius was significantly wider than Allied piston engine fighters. Mustang downed dozens of 262s at height, over 100 were downed by piston-engined fighters in total and Britain’s Hawker Tempest (WWII’s fastest single engined piston fighter) was its nemesis at low altitude. Spitfire, Thunderbolt and Mosquito also scored kills and it is clear 262 was no dogfighter 6. Meteor was more rugged. Its short and sturdy undercarriage enabled take-off from the quickly prepared forward position grass strips necessary for efficient tactical close air. 262 had delicate undercarriage (lengthened to clear low hanging under-slung jets) and resulting build was delicate. Once Luftwaffe tarmac strips were destroyed, 262 utilised awkwardly located autobahns as runways. It is clear which aircraft was not robust enough for the all-foreseeable practicalities of war 7 Meteor was more powerful. Where Me262 Jumo delivered 1,900 lbf thrust, Meteor‘s Rolls Royce Derwent Mk.I entered production with 2,000 lbf. Mk.II, III and IV followed, peaking at 2,400 lbf. By war’s end Rolls Royce had the Nene, the world’s most powerful jet engine, with an astounding 5,000 lbs. It is clear which aircraft, powered by the world’s foremost power plant manufacturer, had the thrust required for interception 8 Meteor had a greater load capacity. With a 11,220 lb gross weight and 14,550 lb max takeoff weight, Meteor carried 3,300 lb. 262 had a 14,271 lb gross weight and 15,719 lb max takeoff weight to carry 1,448 lb. It is clear which aircraft was a more capable workhorse with twice the load capacity 9 Meteor proved more adaptable flying in ground attack, close air support, bomber escort, V1 interception, bomber interception, armed reconnaissance, photo reconnaissance, intruder, night-fighter, twin seat trainer, ejector-seat testbed, air to air refuel testbed, axial flow jet engine testbed, centrifugal jet engine testbed, prone pilot position testbed, carrier landings testbed, carrier fleet folding wing version, engine re-heat testbed, vector thrust testbed, target drone, turboprop and civilian configurations. 262 on the other hand was discontinued just 3 months after its operational debut and it is clear which aircraft was more useful 10 Meteor had a higher kill ratio (technically). Despite (or perhaps because of) Meteor’s ban from flying over German airspace (lest its jet technology be discovered by advancing Russia), it has the highest kill ratio of the entire war among all aircraft types (technically). Over 50 V1 rockets and 46 enemy aircraft (on the ground) for no combat losses (one accidental air collision to fog). A rare clean sheet. 262 had over 200 fatalities to engine troubles alone and, with 1,450 produced for 520 Allied aircraft shot down, it took three 262s to down each single Allied bomber. 262 stats are a procurement disaster. With Meteor, more could have been achieved but 616 Squadron, positioned close to the front in Belgium and with restrictions imposed, was hand-cuffed. 262 was of little threat to Britain who felt no requirement to fully field her best player. The stats are unfair and victors write history but such is the preserve of winning teams. It is clear which aircraft holds the distinguished records.
@petemaly8950
3 күн бұрын
More Gloster Meteor Notes. 11 Meteor, with jets built into wing, was aerodynamically superior where it mattered. 262 under-slung jets caused unnecessary drag and required longer (less stable) under-carriage and (yet more) weight. Its jet engines were so unreliable it was deemed necessary to locate them where they could easily be accessed. No fighter ever had underslung jets again. Furthermore, Me262 18.5° swept wing configuration was to position unexpected Jumo engine weight rearward for balance and swept wings were of no performance benefit (262 was not fast enough to approach the sound barrier in straight flight). Swept wings, usually purposed to counter transitional shockwaves in the push to Mach 1, were more a measure of damage mitigation than aerodynamic foresight. Sleek as it was, it is clear 262 aerodynamics were not advanced where it mattered 12 Meteor’s short and strong landing gear made it adept at jet-on-carrier landing. (HMS Pretoria Castle, July 1946. Two years before any other nation). 262 lengthy undercarriage, too delicate for fleet operations, made clear which aircraft offered international strategic strike, intruder and force projection options. 13 As well as this, Meteor had potential for maritime roles of amphibious beach assault air cover, fleet defence, anti-shipping and submarine hunter If required. It is clear 262 was purely a local and tactical aircraft only 14. Meteor pilots flew trusted engineering. 262, fabricated begrudgingly by forced labour, had assembly errors purposefully placed within (official build quality report below). Such traps were found by German ground crew and Luftwaffe pilots admitted doubting their own aircraft with many refusing to perform high G manoeuvres (see 262 chief test pilot report below). War weapons are judged upon manufacturing quality and performance not blueprint potential and dreams and it is clear which aircraft was built and flown with confidence 15 Meteor had a solid supply stream. Like Spitfire, Meteor was prudently built in modular sections in dispersed ‘shadow’ factories thus securing continuous supply through mitigating risks of build interruption caused by German aerial bombing. Conversely, 262 was naively fabricated in large centralised factories more easily disrupted through Allied bombing and was eventually assembled in damp caves which was not ideal. It is clear which aircraft had a sustainable supply stream with potential to be built in higher volumes if war requirement necessitated 16 Meteor cost less to manufacture. Where 262 cost 87,000 Reich Mark, Meteor cost £27,000 (RM 67,230). Again, it is is clear which aircraft could be produced in greater volumes subject to war requirement 17 Meteor utilised a pressurised cockpit (post war) and flew to 43,000 ft in heated comfort. 262 had no such capability and it is not clear there was space in Willy Messerschmitt’s Me109-sized cockpit for such development (Messerschmitt was a originally a glider designer and made designs small and light). It is clear which aircraft’s comfort enabled pilots to focus on more important tactical matters 18 Although neither aircraft used ejector seats during the war, 80 years after being first deployed, Meteor remains platform of choice for Martin Baker subsonic ejector seat safety trials. 262, with Me109-sized cockpit and failing engines, would have been ill-suited as a barometer of safety. It is clear which aircraft was so safe it is still used today for safety research and development 19 Meteor achieved its goals whereas 262 production was cancelled just 3 months after operational debut and well before war’s end - 3 July 1944, ‘Fighter Emergency Program’ or Jägernot, was Germany’s switch to produce cheaper jet fighters, more quickly in larger numbers. The announcement was a public admission 262 had failed to arrest the Allied bomber stream. Conversely Meteor’s decade long production ensured it remained on active duty with 21 world airforces for over 30 years. It is clear which aircraft failed In reaching its objective 20 Meteor cockpit, positioned forward of the wings, gave good pilot visibility. 262 cockpit was positioned over the wings and visibility downward for ground attack was poor, it also had a long nose making forward visibility poor. The Meteor cockpit location, forward of the jet engines, also resulted in a remarkably quiet ride which, again, was an improvement on 262. Indeed, it can be said that, of the two aircraft, only Meteor’s airframe was purposed specifically for jets with even the tail wings positioned high to avoid jet wash -by comparison early 262 had a tail wheel layout resulting in scorched and ruined runways from jet flame. The tail wheel also pointed the aircraft skyward on the runway causing (apart from terrible visibility) the aircraft to simply not take off (pilots had to touch the breaks at 180km/ph to raise the tail to create lift over the wing to take off). It is clear Me262 layout was simply that of the old piston engine fighter style with jets underslung.
@petemaly8950
3 күн бұрын
More Meteor Notes. 21 Meteor airframe layout was useful for post war jet fighter development. Where the Allies may have pawed over German rocket technology, not a single 262 jet design protocol was adopted, by any nation post war. Britain’s post-war aeronautical adancements were home grown (see Miles 52 secret supersonic WWII programme, Appendices 1) and British aircraft housed engines into wing, fuselage or both (Canberra, an evolution of Meteor was purchased by the USA, flew with impunity high over the Soviet Union during the Cold War and, unlike U2, proved untouchable). It is clear which aircraft supplied foundations for global jet fuselage development 22 Meteor jet engines were used for post war jet power plant development. Rolls Royce Derwent (and successor, Nene) jet engines, were relied upon by both USSR and USA until achieving their own independent home jet capabilities. Whilst Jumo lay dead in the water (France attempted its manufacture with false promise, got nowhere with it), it is clear which aircraft’s engines laid the foundations for global jet power development 23 Meteor, first jet to refuel inflight (from Lancaster), successfully flew 12 hour endurance missions. 262, with engines requiring replacement after 10 hours, could never have done the same. It is clear which aircraft proved to the world jet engines had flight endurance 24 Meteor, jets positioned high in the wing, was the world’s first turboprop. 262, with under-slung jets could never achieve the same without its propellors hitting tarmac. It is clear which aircraft was endlessly adaptable 25 Being both reliable and safe, 1946 Meteor F4 G-AIDC became the world’s first civilian registered jet. Although the Me262 Avia factory remained in tact post war with production continuing for the Czech airforce no national civil aviation authority considered operating 262 with its temperamental and dangerous power source. It is clear which aircraft had commercial options 26 Meteor performed a stunt even today’s US Lockheed Martin F22 Raptor can’t equal using its much vaunted vector thrust -the Zurabatic Cartwheel. Engines were distanced apart enough to throttle back and forward achieving a stationary cartwheel. No aircraft has com pleted the manoeuvre since. It is clear, albeit not in the traditional sense, which aircraft was the first to hover 27 Meteor was the world’s first aircraft to use vector thrust (detailed below). Rolls Royce Nene was given thrust deflector shields located in the jet nacelle to facilitate short take-off and landings. Jumo, lacking access to heat resistant alloys suitable for such, could not have achieved the same and, despite this, vectored thrust might not have been so useful for 262 with such hindered thrust control. It is clear which aircraft proved vector thrust viability to the world 28 In 1943 Meteor serial number EE215 successfully trialed afterburners (reheat as it was then called) -three years before any nation (America’s Nathan Price followed with his commercial version post war). Again, it is clear which aircraft pioneered jet power development 29 Meteor’s ability to quickly and reliably power down single engines mid flight made it ideal for asymmetric flight training (simulated loss of power to one engine is vital for pilots training on twin engined aircraft). To power down Jumo mid-flight would have been a prolonged, uncertain and potentially hazardous operation -nobody would wish to rely on one Jumo. It is clear which aircraft could carry out perfunctory tests 30 Lastly, 262 was responsible for the ugly birth of inefficient air travel. Like Meteor, Britain’s Canberra, Comet, Vulcan, Victor, Valiant, Hunter and VC10 all elegantly incorporated jets to both wing or fuselage and were the most aerodynamically refined large jet aircraft of their day (with resulting speed, range, fuel, manoeuvre and stealth advantages). However, USA won the global civil aviation race with its lowest common denominator design approach (Boeing’s cumbersome and aerodynamically compromised underslung jet airliners were cheap for mass production, easy for engine maintenance and suited to mass markets). 32 Britain’s nuanced and elegant VC10 on the other hand (with engines incorporated to fuselage tail), were preferred by passengers (beautifully quiet with engines rearward), preferred by airports (required inexpensive short runways), preferred by pilots (climbed and turned nimbly) and preferred by airlines (flew further, faster on less fuel). However, the American homogenised basics of volume, cost and ease won over quality, speed, performance and beauty and today’s aerodynamically inefficient civil airline industry is one of the world’s most polluting -all so Boeing mechanics can easily access engines. Whilst Meteor ambitiously incorporated jets to wing, it is clear the aerodynamic abomination of 262 underslung jets popularly proved pigs could fly UK 33 World records On 7 Nov 1945 (two months after war’s end) the Gloster Meteor smashed the world air speed record at 606 mph (70 mph faster than 262) and six months later Meteor MkIV, finding an extra 171 mph to its MkI forebear, broke the record again at 616 mph. Meteor, being the world’s first aircraft to master operational in-flight refuelling (with AVRO Lancaster), then broke the world record for flight endurance. Meteor then broke the world record for distance. Meteor then broke the world record for climb rate -twice. 34 Meteor then broke the world record for altitude. Meteor then achieved a global avionic international procurement record for fighter sales. Meteor, still operational today, has now achieved the world record for longest serving jet-fighter, longest serving jet (all categories), longest serving fighter (all categories), longest serving military aircraft (all categories) and only frontline aircraft of the war to take no losses to enemy action. I lose count of the accolades given to Britain’s most modestly ‘mediocre’ Meteor. . .. ... .... ....
@Crazy-pl1lo
2 жыл бұрын
Don't give up! you are a pearl in the ruff that is youtube! I know this channel will grow with time :)
@petemaly8950
6 күн бұрын
*_We might be able to clear up some slight misunderstandings, That's right, Indeed it is in fact the case that Maximinime's patent was copied from the work of Parsons based on Parsons of Ireland & North England axial multistage sequential stator rotor turbine / compressor power generation & industrial machinery turbomachinery inventions & discussions regarding use as an internal combustion gas turbine engine for ship & aircraft propulsion._* *Yes that is correct, The Metrovik F2/3 axial compressor turbojet was fully operational from 1943 & had no problems & included the use of technology, aerodynamics knowledge & materials technology not known about in Germany or anywhere else at the time obviously.* _Without doubt it is entirely true that the gas turbine was first patented in England before 1800._ *Of course The world's first pure gas turbine aero engine was first demonstrated in 1937 in England by Whittle.* *_Yes, Undoubtedly work on axial compressor gas turbine aero engines began in England before 1930._* _Clearly there is no doubt that the axial multistage sequential stator rotor compressors & turbines first produced in England before 1900 are essentially the basis of all axial compressor gas turbine aero engines._ *_Yes, obviously centrifugal compressor gas turbine aero engines as far as gas turbine engines are concerned at the time were high tech & not easy to build or get working, the only people able to do a good job & produce something reliable enough, powerful enough & suitable for use as an aircraft engine were of course located in England._* Centrifugal compressor gas turbine aero engine obsolete at the time (1943) etc? *_Obviously not at the time or for the next 15 years as far as jet fighters were concerned & they're still manufactured for use as gas turbine aero engines, the Pratt & Whitney PW200 range of engines being an example of the typical centrifugal compressor reverse flow combuster gas turbine aero engine. The world's first demonstration of such a gas turbine aero engine being performed by Whittle in 1937._* Of course, the RR Nene centrifugal compressor gas turbine aero engine was in fact the most powerful & reliable gas turbine aero engine on the planet in 1944 with licenced manufacture versions being produced in many countries including France & the US & unlicensed copies being produced in Russia (for Migs) & China. The RR Nene in 1944 was of course more than twice as powerful & 1213 times more reliable than the ridiculous 46 minutes life Jumo 004 used for the absurd ME 262 & inane Arado which took off on a drop away trolley & landed on skids & was significantly inferior in all respects to the fabulous DH Mosquito Indeed gas turbine aero engine attempts in Germany were simply based on incomplete information from England & were incompetent, unreliable, ineffective & always dangerous as far as the unfortunate pilots were concerned. The W.1X engine powered the E.28/39 for taxi testing on 7 April 1941 at Brockworth near the factory in Gloucester, where it took to the air for two or three short hops of several hundred yards at about six feet from the ground.[6] The definitive W.1 of 850 lbf (3.8 kN) thrust ran on 12 April 1941, and on 15 May the W.1-powered E.28/39 took off from Cranwell at 7:40 pm, flying for 17 minutes and reaching a maximum speed of around 340 mph (545 km/h). Whittle demonstrated his engine in 1937, the world's first demonstration of a pure gas turbine aero engine. Gloster E28/29 + Whittle W1 Short Hops April 1941. FF May 1941. Gloster Meteor First flight 5 March 1943 Gloster Meteor In Service (after extensive trials & with a very reliable engine.) Introduction into service 27 July 1944 3947 produced. Operational in more than 17 countries. Retired 1980s RAF. Me 262 First flight 18 April 1941 with piston engine (Junkers Jumo 210). 18 July 1942 with junk jet engines Junkers Jumo 004 In service Introduction April 1944 but mostly still highly experimental & useless. Retired 1945 Germany, 1951 Czechoslovakia. Primary users Luftwaffe & Czechoslovak Air Force. Hope this helps. Cheers 👍😎🙂. . .......
@sandervanderkammen9230
3 күн бұрын
*The RAF's Chief Air Marshal Sir Frederick Bowhill called the Meatbox a quote; **_"dismal and lack luster aircraft"_*
@rocksnot952
3 жыл бұрын
You can see the seeds of the Canberra bomber in the Meteor.
@marktierney2986
3 жыл бұрын
Yep, that wing looks familiar.
@sandervanderkammen9230
2 жыл бұрын
Hopelessly backwards design theory based on a dead-end engine design.
@barrierodliffe4155
2 жыл бұрын
dorktor bummer. You just described the Me 262 with the Jumo engine.
@sandervanderkammen9230
2 жыл бұрын
@@barrierodliffe4155 modern jet aircraft use German axial type engines... not Whittle's ugly little centrifugal engine
@awatt
Жыл бұрын
@@sandervanderkammen9230 Modern jets use British Rolls-Royce jets.🇬🇧
@michealschumacher5198
3 жыл бұрын
Please make more of these they are just phenomenal
@whichva
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much! I'm getting started on another one at the moment - just moved interstate so been a bit busy recently but it is in the works.
@Pauschke
3 жыл бұрын
Great storytelling!! Congrats!
@petemaly8950
3 күн бұрын
Of course the Gloster Meteor had no fatal flaws & was more reliable than a number of fighter aircraft designed many years later. *_We might be able to clear up some slight misunderstandings, That's right, Indeed it is in fact the case that Maximinime's patent was copied from the work of Parsons based on Parsons of Ireland & North England axial multistage sequential stator rotor turbine / compressor power generation & industrial machinery turbomachinery inventions & discussions regarding use as an internal combustion gas turbine engine for ship & aircraft propulsion._* *Yes that is correct, The Metrovik F2/3 axial compressor turbojet was fully operational from 1943 & had no problems & included the use of technology, aerodynamics knowledge & materials technology not known about in Germany or anywhere else at the time obviously.* _Without doubt it is entirely true that the gas turbine was first patented in England before 1800._ *Of course The world's first pure gas turbine aero engine was first demonstrated in 1937 in England by Whittle.* *_Yes, Undoubtedly work on axial compressor gas turbine aero engines began in England before 1930._* _Clearly there is no doubt that the axial multistage sequential stator rotor compressors & turbines first produced in England before 1900 are essentially the basis of all axial compressor gas turbine aero engines._ *_Yes, obviously centrifugal compressor gas turbine aero engines as far as gas turbine engines are concerned at the time were high tech & not easy to build or get working, the only people able to do a good job & produce something reliable enough, powerful enough & suitable for use as an aircraft engine were of course located in England._* Centrifugal compressor gas turbine aero engine obsolete at the time (1943) etc? *_Obviously not at the time or for the next 15 years as far as jet fighters were concerned & they're still manufactured for use as gas turbine aero engines, the Pratt & Whitney PW200 range of engines being an example of the typical centrifugal compressor reverse flow combuster gas turbine aero engine. The world's first demonstration of such a gas turbine aero engine being performed by Whittle in 1937._* Of course, the RR Nene centrifugal compressor gas turbine aero engine was in fact the most powerful & reliable gas turbine aero engine on the planet in 1944 with licenced manufacture versions being produced in many countries including France & the US & unlicensed copies being produced in Russia (for Migs) & China. The RR Nene in 1944 was of course more than twice as powerful & 1213 times more reliable than the ridiculous 46 minutes life Jumo 004 used for the absurd ME 262 & inane Arado which took off on a drop away trolley & landed on skids & was significantly inferior in all respects to the fabulous DH Mosquito Indeed gas turbine aero engine attempts in Germany were simply based on incomplete information from England & were incompetent, unreliable, ineffective & always dangerous as far as the unfortunate pilots were concerned. The W.1X engine powered the E.28/39 for taxi testing on 7 April 1941 at Brockworth near the factory in Gloucester, where it took to the air for two or three short hops of several hundred yards at about six feet from the ground.[6] The definitive W.1 of 850 lbf (3.8 kN) thrust ran on 12 April 1941, and on 15 May the W.1-powered E.28/39 took off from Cranwell at 7:40 pm, flying for 17 minutes and reaching a maximum speed of around 340 mph (545 km/h). Whittle demonstrated his engine in 1937, the world's first demonstration of a pure gas turbine aero engine. Gloster E28/29 + Whittle W1 Short Hops April 1941. FF May 1941. Gloster Meteor First flight 5 March 1943 Gloster Meteor In Service (after extensive trials & with a very reliable engine.) Introduction into service 27 July 1944 3947 produced. Operational in more than 17 countries. Retired 1980s RAF. Me 262 First flight 18 April 1941 with piston engine (Junkers Jumo 210). 18 July 1942 with junk jet engines Junkers Jumo 004 In service Introduction April 1944 but mostly still highly experimental & useless. Retired 1945 Germany, 1951 Czechoslovakia. Primary users Luftwaffe & Czechoslovak Air Force. Hope this helps. Cheers 👍😎🙂. . .......
@roderickhamilton9891
3 жыл бұрын
Another great video!
@willhovell9019
2 жыл бұрын
If the Air Ministry had got behind the engine earlier the Meteor could have been operational in 1941/2
@michaelpielorz9283
Жыл бұрын
you mean the Meteor could have started to fall out of the sky a few years earlier ?
@sandervanderkammen9230
Жыл бұрын
Britian didn't have any jet aircraft until July 1941... 2 years after Germany. Not really, just wishful thinking, Whittle did not begin actual work on jet engines until moving to Rugby in 1936... this was 2 years after Hans von Ohain and Max Hahnn built the world's first jet engine prototype in Gottingen Germany in 1934.
@sandervanderkammen9230
Жыл бұрын
The Air Ministry saw very quickly that Whittle was more charlatan than genius, his biggest mistake was plagerizing the work of A.A Griffiths who was chief of engine development at the RAE. The Miles M.52 scandal would prove that Whittle was a fraud. The real geniuses of the British jet engine program was led by Adrian Lombard and Stanley Hooker.
@willhovell9019
Жыл бұрын
@@sandervanderkammen9230 When did Frank Whittle patent the jet engine? 1932 Sir Frank Whittle's jet aircraft engine was patented in 1932, and Power Jets, Ltd. formed in 1936. The Whittle Unit bench test engine first ran on April 12, 1937. A bit like Swan and Eddison developing the candescent light bulb at the same time? I've been informed that German engineers consulted Whittle's patent documents . The fact of Britain's Air ministry dragging It's feet remains. The RAF fighter planes in 1940 were under armed and with insufficient pilot protection. If it wasn't for Lady Houston perhaps even the Merlin engine wouldn't have been available as a power source. Even then the Merlin had early carburettor / cut out problems that were solved in 1940 by Beatrice Shilling As the RAF 'string bag Swordfish' showed at Tranto , it can be tactics that win out . The same goes for all-female military aviators of the 588th Night Bomber Regiment, known later as the 46th "Taman" Guards Night Bomber Aviation Regiment, of the Soviet Air Forces. German aviation was certainly technically advanced and ambitious. Though the lack of strategic metals and unreliable and v short life jet engines hampered development and production - thankfully
@sandervanderkammen9230
Жыл бұрын
@@willhovell9019 Oh my dear naive boy, Frank Whittle was not the first to patent a turbojet aircraft engine. Maxime Guillaume patented the turbojet aircraft engine in 1921 when little Frankie was still wearing short pants. More British propaganda myths, the problems with the Merlin engines was fixed by the American Bendix pressure feed carburator, not miss Schillings bandage.
@sandervanderkammen9230
3 күн бұрын
*Everyone including Pete Maly knows that Germany invented jet engines, Frank Whittle was only the fourth person to successfully demonstrate a working jet aircraft engine 2 years after the Germans did.* *Germany invented jet engines and jet aircraft.*
@adamallen1097
3 жыл бұрын
I just became your 93rd subscriber because of these videos well done
@whichva
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! The support is much appreciated
@greghanson5696
Жыл бұрын
Nice work on this vid!
@GreenPointMedia
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for using a human narrator rather than a robo-narrator!
@danpatterson8009
2 жыл бұрын
There are a lot of "what if" stories from that era. Decision-makers at the time were juggling limited resources to fight an all-out war and sometimes a promising innovation had to be weighed against a "good enough" system that was already in production. At least the Meteor became operational during the war. (Four P-80s were deployed to Europe before the end of the war, but none saw combat.) Still, what if the Air Ministry had realized what they had in Frank Whittle years sooner than they did?
@sandervanderkammen9230
2 жыл бұрын
Frank Whittle was consistently about 2 years behind Hans von Ohain and made a lot of enemies at the Royal Aircraft Establishment in particular when he plagerized the work of Cheif of Engine development A.A. Griffiths. Griffiths was not impressed with Whittle who was arrogant, had no experience and was difficult to work with. Whittle's struggles with drugs and alcohol combined with his explosive temper caused many of the best minds in the U.K. like Stanley Hooker and Adrian Lombard to refuse to work with him, Whittle was arrested for assaulting a Rolls-Royce engineer and brandishing a pistol after a week long drinking and drug bing. Whittle was hospitalized on several occasions for his addiction to amphetamines and benzodiazepines and admitted to being an alcoholic. He was eventually removed from his own company for dereliction during the Miles M.52 scandal amid allegations of embezzlement. Whittle was exiled to a drug rehab in America to spare the new Labour government any further embarrassment.
@awatt
Жыл бұрын
The Gloster Meteor was the first and best jet aircraft of ww2. Widely manufactured and purchased by fifteen nations due to it being far superior to anything else available at the time. Some are still in military service today which is a testament to just how awesome it is.
@sandervanderkammen9230
Жыл бұрын
@@awatt The Gloster _Meatbox_ as it was called by RAF pilots... was the second jet fighter to enter service, 3 months after the Messerschmitt Me-262s and just 1 days after it shot down its first of over 550 Allied aircraft. The Meatbox was the worst jet fighter in history... over 1,000 crashed killing 450 RAF pilots , it never shot down a single Luftwaffe plane. Britian continued building the Meatbox because it simply had nothing better to replace it, a starving postwar Britian could not afford to pay cash and often traded agriculture goods for unwanted jet aircraft like the Meatbox. Cheers mate!
@fritzwrangle-clouder6033
Жыл бұрын
@@sandervanderkammen9230 Well well Sandyboy, I see you're still pushing your tripe about Whittle and I see you still can't back any of it up. You are a pathetic liar Sandyboy but let's just remind you of what Pabst von Ohain had to say- "The first patent of a turbojet engine, which was later developed and produced, was that of Frank Whittle, now Sir Frank (see Fig. 5). His patent was applied for in January 1930. This patent shows a multistage, axial-flow compressor followed by a radial compressor stage, a combustor, an axial-flow turbine driving the compressor, and an exhaust nozzle." and "In April 1937, Whittle had his bench-test jet engine ready for the first test run. It ran excellently; however, it ran out of control because liquid fuel had collected inside the engine and started to vaporize as the engine became hot, thereby adding uncontrolled fuel quantities to the combustion process. The problem was easily overcome. This first test run was the world's first run of a bench-test jet engine operating with liquid fuel (Fig. 7)." and "From the beginning of his jet propulsion activities, Frank Whittle had been seeking means for improving the propulsive efficiency of turbojet engines. He conceived novel ideas for which he filed a patent application in 1936, which can be called a bypass engine or turbofan. ... Whittle's work on fan jets or bypass engines and aft fans was way ahead of his time. It was of greatest importance for the future or turbopropulsion."
@fritzwrangle-clouder6033
Жыл бұрын
@@sandervanderkammen9230 Hey Sandyboy you still touting those pathetic fanciful Me 262 numbers. Boy what a shitshow that aircraft was. Your nazi chums were losing three in in accidents because of technical failures for everyone lost in combat. And given how few they could even get useable that was a hell of a loss rate. The meteor of course was bought by more than a dozen air forces and had a career of over thirty years. The poor old Me262 served with one air force and cluttered up the aprons of one other in a career that lasted barely seven years and the last two of those were spent collecting dust. Crikey not even the Argentinians wanted it and they were awash nazis and nazi money, they had Kurt Tank and Adolf Galland advising them. That's propbably why they wouldn't buy tthe Me 262 because Kurt and Adolf new what they were like.
@tsegulin
Ай бұрын
The "infamous" Me-262? It was arguably a better design only on the enemy side. Is that what make it infamous?
@sandervanderkammen9230
4 күн бұрын
*Infamous among Allied pilots, many who never saw the Me-262 that killed them.*
@evanf111og
3 жыл бұрын
you sir have earned a 204 subscriber also if you haven done the CAC Canberra or vampire, do videos on them
@whichva
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I'll add those ones to the list.
@JDB-channel
3 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: a dutch meteor crashed in a field near my hometown in the late 40s or early 50s. Also, I quite like your editing style. Subscribed!
@sandervanderkammen9230
2 жыл бұрын
Over 1,000 Meatboxes crashed, killing 450 RAF pilots alone... its the worst jet fighter in RAF service and the worst jet fighter in history.
@barrierodliffe4155
2 жыл бұрын
@@sandervanderkammen9230 In RAF service from 1944 until the 1980's. Unlike the failure Me 262 which only lasted 6 months.
@sandervanderkammen9230
2 жыл бұрын
@@barrierodliffe4155 Obsolete before the Korean War... the Meatbox was inferior to the Me-262 and Siegfried Gunter's MiG-15
@awatt
Жыл бұрын
The Gloster Meteor was the first and best jet aircraft of ww2. Widely manufactured and purchased by fifteen nations due to it being far superior to anything else available at the time. Some are still in military service today which is a testament to just how awesome it is.
@sandervanderkammen9230
Жыл бұрын
@@awatt The Gloster _Meatbox_ as it was called by RAF pilots... was the second jet fighter to enter service, 3 months after the Messerschmitt Me-262s and just 1 days after it shot down its first of over 550 Allied aircraft. The Meatbox was the worst jet fighter in history... over 1,000 crashed killing 450 RAF pilots , it never shot down a single Luftwaffe plane. Britian continued building the Meatbox because it simply had nothing better to replace it, a starving postwar Britian could not afford to pay cash and often traded agriculture goods for unwanted jet aircraft like the Meatbox. Cheers mate!
@Funcore
2 жыл бұрын
▶️ War Thunder - Test Flight playlist kzitem.info/news/bejne/w2eYz66psqOil2k
@sandervanderkammen9230
3 күн бұрын
*Pete Maly it was the worst jet fighter in history... the **_'Meatbox'_** as it was known among RAF pilots had a absolutely horrible reputation for crashing.* *Over 1,000 Gloster **_'Meatboxes'_** crashed killing 450 british pilots alone.* *Even more senseless when you consider that it was completely ineffective as a fighter and never shot down a single Luftwaffe plane.*
@alward9901
Жыл бұрын
The Meteor NF 11 were operating at RAF AHLORN Germany in 1956- 57 patrolling the east border just before the air field was handed over to the German airforce. They also had the Camberra bombers for time . As my father was an NCO ground grew electrician at the time .
@sandervanderkammen9230
Жыл бұрын
Wow! It's incredible that such obsolete aircraft were still in service with the RAF in 1957, the USAF was beginning to introduce Mach 2 aircraft around this time.. Britain was certainly lagging years behind.
@fritzwrangle-clouder6033
Жыл бұрын
@@sandervanderkammen9230 Hello Sandyboy, as you know Sandy honey, the Gloster Meteor had a service career of over thirty years and served with more than a dozen air forces, including the Argentinian air force that was being advised by Kurt Tank and Adolf Galland. What other WW2 jet can you say that of. And as for the Canberra that alward9901 mentions, it was of course adopted by the very USAF that you mention as the B57 and served with them for nearly thirty years till 1983. RB-57F Canberras were still in service with NASA in 2022.
@rooseveltbrentwood9654
2 жыл бұрын
5:49 A-10 vibes
@denniswofford
Жыл бұрын
I had the exact same thougth. From just behind the canopy to the nose, all it's missing is a GAU-8 cannon.
@rolandhazuki8787
Жыл бұрын
@@denniswofford and the twins engine pods should be moved to the rear & h tail
@denniswofford
Жыл бұрын
@@rolandhazuki8787 You're exactly right. Other than all that, it looks just like an A-10.😃
@borntoclimb7116
2 жыл бұрын
It's a interesting plane
@sandervanderkammen9230
Жыл бұрын
It's a fascinating plane, it is also the most successful jet ever used _against_ the RAF. The RAF pilots called it the Meatbox because over 1,000 crashed killing 450 RAF pilots.
@fritzwrangle-clouder6033
Жыл бұрын
@@sandervanderkammen9230Hello Sandyboy is Redsen keeping your hand nice a warm. As you know, the Gloster Meteor was purchased by more than a dozen nations air forces and had a service career of more than thirty years. Including with the Argentinian air force that was being advised by Kurt Tank and Adolf Galland. As you know Galland praised the Gloster Meteor and especially its engine, expressing the wish that he had had such an engine on the Me 262. The Vampire also had a service career of over thirty years and with over THIRTY air forces. What other first generation (and in the case of the Meteor, WW2) jet can you say that of. Remind me, how long was the Me 262 in service, and how many nation bought them for their air forces? Do try to answer those last questions, Redsen. As for the Luftwaffe, they were very shit weren't they. And they didn't get any better when they got their hands on jets, they still got trashed by the allies (along with the rest of their countryfolk, for the second time in 30 years. Do you know that (as listed by air war publications), of 93 Me 262 losses sampled THIRTY SIX were definitely non combat and another FOURTEEN were cause unknown on a combat mission. And the fatality rate in those was 40%. In its first month of operations, for every 2 Me262s Komando Nowotny lost to combat, they lost SIX destroyed or damaged in crashes following technical failures (Air Power Review).
@redseneastmkii
Жыл бұрын
The Meteor was a hardly a comparable aeroplane to the F-86 Sabre or the MiG-15.
@fritzwrangle-clouder6033
Жыл бұрын
@@redseneastmkii Hello Redsen honey, well you spotted something there, well done you. So aircraft designed five years apart might be different, who'd have thunk it. Of course the Meteor and the MiG-15 do share one thing, British engine design because as you know the MiG-15 engine was copied from the Rolls Royce Nene. The Soviets chose the Nene after the their disastrous decision to fit the MiG-9 with BMW 003 copies which which hopelessly unreliable and flameout prone.
@TheTraveller20081
3 ай бұрын
@@redseneastmkii not really a surprise given the pace of technological advancement in that era, don't you think?
@andypandywalters
3 жыл бұрын
Very interesting video. However, the Mk1 had a maximum speed of 415mph (not 460 as stated) with the Mk3 achieving 490 mph with Derwent engines.
@barrierodliffe4155
2 жыл бұрын
I have the speed as 411 mph at sea level and 446 mph at 30,000 feet for the Meteor Mk I.
@sandervanderkammen9230
2 жыл бұрын
Still much slower than the Messerschmitt Me-262... the Meatbox was converted from a propeller driven aircraft and was plagued with design and aerodynamic problems.
@barrierodliffe4155
2 жыл бұрын
dorktor bummer telling lies again. The straight wing Me 262 which first flew with a piston engine and had a tail wheel while the Meteor was designed for jet engines and had a nose wheel. the Me 262 was a poor design and had poor aerodynamics.
@sandervanderkammen9230
2 жыл бұрын
@@barrierodliffe4155 The swept wing Me-262 was 140 mph faster than the straight wing Meatbox... and it shot down over 550 Allied aircraft. *The only thing the Meatbox killed was RAF pilots!*
@awatt
Жыл бұрын
The Gloster Meteor was the first and best jet aircraft of ww2. Widely manufactured and purchased by fifteen nations due to it being far superior to anything else available at the time. Some are still in military service today which is a testament to just how awesome it is. Speed isn't everything. The ne262 couldn't even take down a Wellington bomber when they realised that they could out turn the crappy German thing
@Jigaboo123456
Жыл бұрын
@Whichva: This would have been a joy to watch had it not been for the incessant and completely unecessary drone of public domain music. I think your "likes" would increase hugely without a soundtrack, sorry.
@TheTraveller20081
3 ай бұрын
Ref music - I agree that it wasn't necessary. But I still enjoyed the video, as it seems to have been made by human rather than the dull and inaccurate AI channels that are now proliferating. Keep going, @Whichva!
@redseneastmkii
Жыл бұрын
The Meteor was and is a greatly over-hyped aeroplane.
@sandervanderkammen9230
Жыл бұрын
The _"Meatbox"_ was the most successful British jet ever used _Against_ the RAF... 1 out of every 3 built crashed or were destroyed in accidents
@redseneastmkii
Жыл бұрын
@@sandervanderkammen9230 Doubtless that is right. Dismal, lacklustre, and thoroughly dangerous to fly.
@sandervanderkammen9230
Жыл бұрын
@@redseneastmkii Indeed, leave it to the British to build a jet fighter that only killed British pilots.
@redseneastmkii
Жыл бұрын
@@sandervanderkammen9230 British industry was in a shocking state in the 1930's & '40's. And the Meteor was a prime example of how backward British industry had got by the mid-20th century. Read Correlli Barnett's _The Audit of War: the Illusion and Reality of Britain as a Great Nation_ first published in the mid-1980's and you'll get a very good idea of the condition of British industry before, during, and immediately after the 2nd World War.
@fritzwrangle-clouder6033
Жыл бұрын
Hello SandyboyRedsen, as you know the Gloster Meteor had a service career of over thirty years and with more than a dozen air forces including the Argentinian air force that was being advised by Kurt Tank and Adolf Galland. What other WW2 jet can you say that about. And I've read Barnett's garbage book. Correlli Barnet is nearly as big a liar as Sandyboy. I especially liked his claim about how the krauts built u boats, very ironically funny given the type 21 fiasco. Only someone with extremely limited knowledge on the content subjects, or an idiot would take anything that Barnett claims at face value.
@grondheise
2 жыл бұрын
I want to watched a documentary and maybe a film about Mr Whittle and what he created that change the world but what I would like to find out from yourselves out there ladies and gentlemen that officially the first jet engine was unofficially flown from Gloucester for only a short while because the people at the time in Gloucester was so pissed off that the plane was not allowed to be officially flown from Gloucester which it wasn’t but unofficially for just a quick tests flight it was flown from Gloucester?
@sandervanderkammen9230
2 жыл бұрын
Frank Whittle did not invent the jet engine... this false propaganda myth has been finally debunked for good thanks to the _Information Age._
@sandervanderkammen9230
2 жыл бұрын
The world's first successful demonstration of a jet aircraft engine was the Heinkel He-178 piloted by Erich Warsitz on August 27th 1939 in Rostock Germany.
@barrierodliffe4155
2 жыл бұрын
dorktor bummer. The He 178 as a failure and led no where, it even had the Ohain copy of Frank Whittle's centrifugal design but unlike the British centrifugal engines it was a complete failure.
@sandervanderkammen9230
2 жыл бұрын
August 27th 1939 was the worlds first successful demonstration of a jet aircraft engine in Rostock Germany kzitem.info/news/bejne/z61pnYiQs6uprZw
@barrierodliffe4155
2 жыл бұрын
@@sandervanderkammen9230 Successful? it only flew at low speed, in fact so slow that they never retracted the undercarriage and Ohain's copy of Frank Whittle's centrifugal design was dropped, it went no further.
@mcguire4162
3 жыл бұрын
General Adolf Galland flew the Meteor in Argentina, when he, along with many other Germans went to train the Argentinian military. Galland remaked that even though he liked the Meteor, it was inferior to the Me262’s performance but had far better engine reliability.
@SGBlackstar
3 жыл бұрын
Whilst in Argentina a known place for Nazi scum just saying
@georgebarnes8163
3 жыл бұрын
@@SGBlackstar To be fair the US adopted a fair few Nazis that suited their agenda, they would not have had their IBMs or landed on the moon without their Nazi friends.
@barrierodliffe4155
2 жыл бұрын
Adolf Galland did fly the Meteor in Argentina but it was faster than any Me 262 he had ever flown and the Meteor had much better acceleration and climb rate.
@wanderschlosser1857
2 жыл бұрын
@@barrierodliffe4155 The Meteor he flew in Argentina was certainly not the same Mk. that were flying in Europe at the end of WW2 but more advanced with better engines and hence faster. If you compare the very early Meteor versions that could theoretically have actually met ME-262, those were inferior in speed and climbing rate. Acceleration-wise I guess the Meteor was responding much better on quick thrust changes since its engines were better material quality and hence having more reliable turbine airfoils when putting more fire on them. Also due to the radial compressor the RR engines were much less prone to compressor stalls in comparison to the Jumo 004. Once full thrust was achieved (which was similar in both aircraft) the ME-262 was very likely accelerating faster because of its superior aerodynamic design. Again, the Meteors Galland was flying in Argentina many years later were a complete different story because those later Mk. had a much better thrust to weight ratio.
@barrierodliffe4155
2 жыл бұрын
@@wanderschlosser1857 The Meteor Mk 3 had the Derwent engine and by the end of the war it was much faster than the Meteor Mk 1. If we compare the Meteor in service and flying over Germany which the Me262 might have met then the Me262 was little faster and due to the poor design of the Jumo jet engines with poor acceleration and reliability the Meteor would have had a good chance of destroying the Me262 just like Spitfires did.
@WilhelmKarsten
3 күн бұрын
*The basic overall design of the Meatbox was fatally flawed.* *Gloster continuously tried to improve the aircraft eg; improved tail, stronger fuselage and different wings, stronger wings, ect.* *Unfortunately as a result of being very hastily converted from a twin propeller driven nightfighter design it was plagued with flaws inherent to the fundamental design.* *It was directionally unstable at nearly all speeds and tended to pitch down uncontrollably at low speeds and a nasty tendency to snap into a flat spin at high speed.* *The asymmetric handling was appallingly and was considered unrecoverable and fatal during take-off or a go- around.* *The RAF's Cheif Air Marshall Sir Frederick William Bowhill called the Meatbox a quote; **_"a truly dismal and lackluster aircraft"_*
@XtalQRP
2 күн бұрын
Posting the same replies across multiple sock accounts under the same video makes you look rather idiotic.
@nickinportland
3 жыл бұрын
Kinda sad everyone in America thinks the Germans came up with jets first.
@sandervanderkammen9230
3 жыл бұрын
*THEY DID!* The worlds first successful demonstration of a turbojet aircraft engine was on August 27th 1939 in Rostock Germany... 2 years before Frank Whittle who is the 4th person to do so.
@barrierodliffe4155
2 жыл бұрын
@@sandervanderkammen9230 Successful? it only flew very slow, they never got to retract the undercarriage and the Ohain jet engine in it was dropped very quickly.
@sandervanderkammen9230
2 жыл бұрын
Hans von Ohain and Max Hahnn invented the jet engine... frankie Whittle did not even start construction of a prototype until 1936 and would have a successful demonstration 5 years.. 2 years after the Germans.
@barrierodliffe4155
2 жыл бұрын
Dorktor bummer. You are wrong as always, Frank Whittle made the first jet engine to run under it's own power. Ohain copied Frank Whittle's design and got it wrong.
@sandervanderkammen9230
2 жыл бұрын
August 27th 1939 the world's first successful demonstration of a jet aircraft engine. kzitem.info/news/bejne/z61pnYiQs6uprZw
@peregrinemccauley5010
4 ай бұрын
Can't understand the narrator.
@MrDaiseymay
3 жыл бұрын
The DH Vampire, was first created in 1942, why so long into operation, there was a War on, and the Nazis showed how to react in an emergency, even if they did, have too many 'irons in the fire'.
@barrierodliffe4155
2 жыл бұрын
The DH Vampire first flew in 1943, the delay caused by the engine in the Vampire for the test flight being removed to send to USA who had managed to destroy the only other Halford engine ready for use. Also DH a small company was making the Mosquito and working on the Hornet. Britain was not as desperate as Germany to try putting aircraft into service before they were ready.
@sandervanderkammen9230
2 жыл бұрын
De Haviland was years behind in aircraft design and construction technology... it was a pathetic attempt to build a jet fighter out of wood!
@barrierodliffe4155
2 жыл бұрын
dorktor bummer De Havilland was well ahead of Messerschmitt and Focke Wulf, The use of wood worked just fine, Germany tried to copy the idea, Fw tried to make a copy of the Mosquito but failed, the Horten brothers who made gliders designed an wooden aircraft , Gotha had to take over but it was still a failure. Unlike all German attempts the DH Vampire worked very well as did the Gloster Meteor.
@sandervanderkammen9230
2 жыл бұрын
Termites loved the Vampire... because the in-flight meals were always free!
@awatt
Жыл бұрын
Why didn't anyone want to buy a German jet after the war? Was it because they were crappy rubbish? I think that is exactly why no one wanted one
@petemaly8950
6 күн бұрын
_Yes it is of course correct that the world's first jet powered aircraft to exceed 1000 mph was indeed a British aircraft._ *_Contrary to copious & ubiquitous posts regarding accident losses of various UK aircraft._* *As they mentioned previously, the Sea Vixen & Gloster Meteor were indeed very competent & beautiful aircraft.* _In fact the Meteor was the world's first aircraft to exceed 0.85 on the combined 2 year looks & capability scale for jet fighter aircraft._ Indeed A rather superb Gloster Meteor was the world's first Turboprop aircraft in 1945. In 1945 & 1946 trail blazing Gloster Meteors set world speed records. Yes, of course it is correct that British military aircraft at the time did not have unusually high accident losses rates. *For example* De Havilland Vampire & Sea Vixen & Gloster Meteor accident losses were not high or unusual for fighter aircraft at the time. Non combat phase accident losses % of Aircraft built. The Canadair CL-44 was a turboprop airliner. *_Canadair CL-44 (ff 1959 ) 48%_* *Lockheed XF104 (ff 1954) 100%* *Lockheed P80 (ff 1944) 43%* *Lockheed F104 (ff 1954) 45%* *McDonnell FH Phantom (ff 1945) 35%* *_Gloster Meteor (ff 1943) 17%_* *_DH Vampire (ff 1943) 23%_* *_DH Sea Vixen (ff 1951) 33%_* *_Gloster Javelin (ff 1951) 20%_* After 1943 it was indeed obviously the case that the Gloster Meteor was not required for use over German territory & it was felt important to prevent examples of the aircraft getting into German or Russian hands. The Meteor & it's engines were of course superior in almost all respects to anything being produced anywhere else in the world at the time. Cheers 👍 & 😎 & of course 🙂 indeed. _Toodle_ *PIP* -Old- *_Chaps_* .. . .. . ... .... . .... . .... xcvvvvvvvviix cvvvvv
@petemaly8950
5 күн бұрын
*_Contrary to various copious & ubiquitous posts regarding accident losses of various UK aircraft._* *As they know, the Sea Vixen & Gloster Meteor were indeed very competent & beautiful aircraft.* _In fact the Meteor was the world's first aircraft to exceed 0.85 on the combined 2 year looks & capability scale for jet fighter aircraft._ _A rather superb Gloster Meteor was the world's first Turboprop aircraft in 1945 Gloster Meteors set gas turbine aero engine powered aircraft speed records in 1945 & 1946._ *Of course, British military aircraft at the time did not have unusually high accident losses rates.* *_For example_* De Havilland Vampire & Sea Vixen & Gloster Meteor accident losses were not high or unusual for fighter aircraft at the time. Non combat phase accident losses % of Aircraft built. The Canadair CL-44 was a turboprop airliner. *_Canadair CL-44 (ff 1959 ) 48%_* *Lockheed XF104 (ff 1954) 100%* *Lockheed P80 (ff 1944) 43%* *Lockheed F104 (ff 1954) 45%* *McDonnell FH Phantom (ff 1945) 35%* *_Gloster Meteor (ff 1943) 19.75%_* *_DH Vampire (ff 1943) 23%_* *_DH Sea Vixen (ff 1951) 33%_* *_Gloster Javelin (ff 1951) 20%_* A comparison of two particular particularly relevant militarily related aircraft. Gloster Meteor. 3950 Built. 70% did not have ejector seats. In service 1944. 830 accident losses. 436 accident loss fatalities. 20% accident losses. 11% accident loss Fatalities. Lockheed F104. 2578 Built. In service 1958, 14 years after the Meteor. All had ejector seats. 1100 accident losses. 425 accident loss fatalities. 43% accident losses. 17% accident loss Fatalities. Cheers 👍 & 😎 & of course 🙂 indeed. _Toodle_ *PIP* -Old- *_Chaps_* .. . .. . ... .... . .... . ..... ...... xcvvvvvvvviix cvvvvvvcvcvv
@petemaly8950
4 күн бұрын
Of course the Gloster Meteor had no fatal flaws & was more reliable than a number of fighter aircraft designed many years later. *_We might be able to clear up some slight misunderstandings, That's right, Indeed it is in fact the case that Maximinime's patent was copied from the work of Parsons based on Parsons of Ireland & North England axial multistage sequential stator rotor turbine / compressor power generation & industrial machinery turbomachinery inventions & discussions regarding use as an internal combustion gas turbine engine for ship & aircraft propulsion._* *Yes that is correct, The Metrovik F2/3 axial compressor turbojet was fully operational from 1943 & had no problems & included the use of technology, aerodynamics knowledge & materials technology not known about in Germany or anywhere else at the time obviously.* _Without doubt it is entirely true that the gas turbine was first patented in England before 1800._ *Of course The world's first pure gas turbine aero engine was first demonstrated in 1937 in England by Whittle.* *_Yes, Undoubtedly work on axial compressor gas turbine aero engines began in England before 1930._* _Clearly there is no doubt that the axial multistage sequential stator rotor compressors & turbines first produced in England before 1900 are essentially the basis of all axial compressor gas turbine aero engines._ *_Yes, obviously centrifugal compressor gas turbine aero engines as far as gas turbine engines are concerned at the time were high tech & not easy to build or get working, the only people able to do a good job & produce something reliable enough, powerful enough & suitable for use as an aircraft engine were of course located in England._* Centrifugal compressor gas turbine aero engine obsolete at the time (1943) etc? *_Obviously not at the time or for the next 15 years as far as jet fighters were concerned & they're still manufactured for use as gas turbine aero engines, the Pratt & Whitney PW200 range of engines being an example of the typical centrifugal compressor reverse flow combuster gas turbine aero engine. The world's first demonstration of such a gas turbine aero engine being performed by Whittle in 1937._* Of course, the RR Nene centrifugal compressor gas turbine aero engine was in fact the most powerful & reliable gas turbine aero engine on the planet in 1944 with licenced manufacture versions being produced in many countries including France & the US & unlicensed copies being produced in Russia (for Migs) & China. The RR Nene in 1944 was of course more than twice as powerful & 1213 times more reliable than the ridiculous 46 minutes life Jumo 004 used for the absurd ME 262 & inane Arado which took off on a drop away trolley & landed on skids & was significantly inferior in all respects to the fabulous DH Mosquito Indeed gas turbine aero engine attempts in Germany were simply based on incomplete information from England & were incompetent, unreliable, ineffective & always dangerous as far as the unfortunate pilots were concerned. The W.1X engine powered the E.28/39 for taxi testing on 7 April 1941 at Brockworth near the factory in Gloucester, where it took to the air for two or three short hops of several hundred yards at about six feet from the ground.[6] The definitive W.1 of 850 lbf (3.8 kN) thrust ran on 12 April 1941, and on 15 May the W.1-powered E.28/39 took off from Cranwell at 7:40 pm, flying for 17 minutes and reaching a maximum speed of around 340 mph (545 km/h). Whittle demonstrated his engine in 1937, the world's first demonstration of a pure gas turbine aero engine. Gloster E28/29 + Whittle W1 Short Hops April 1941. FF May 1941. Gloster Meteor First flight 5 March 1943 Gloster Meteor In Service (after extensive trials & with a very reliable engine.) Introduction into service 27 July 1944 3947 produced. Operational in more than 17 countries. Retired 1980s RAF. Me 262 First flight 18 April 1941 with piston engine (Junkers Jumo 210). 18 July 1942 with junk jet engines Junkers Jumo 004 In service Introduction April 1944 but mostly still highly experimental & useless. Retired 1945 Germany, 1951 Czechoslovakia. Primary users Luftwaffe & Czechoslovak Air Force. Hope this helps. Cheers 👍😎🙂. . .......
@petemaly8950
5 күн бұрын
Of course the Gloster Meteor had no fatal flaws & was more reliable than a number of fighter aircraft designed many years later. *_We might be able to clear up some slight misunderstandings, That's right, Indeed it is in fact the case that Maximinime's patent was copied from the work of Parsons based on Parsons of Ireland & North England axial multistage sequential stator rotor turbine / compressor power generation & industrial machinery turbomachinery inventions & discussions regarding use as an internal combustion gas turbine engine for ship & aircraft propulsion._* *Yes that is correct, The Metrovik F2/3 axial compressor turbojet was fully operational from 1943 & had no problems & included the use of technology, aerodynamics knowledge & materials technology not known about in Germany or anywhere else at the time obviously.* _Without doubt it is entirely true that the gas turbine was first patented in England before 1800._ *Of course The world's first pure gas turbine aero engine was first demonstrated in 1937 in England by Whittle.* *_Yes, Undoubtedly work on axial compressor gas turbine aero engines began in England before 1930._* _Clearly there is no doubt that the axial multistage sequential stator rotor compressors & turbines first produced in England before 1900 are essentially the basis of all axial compressor gas turbine aero engines._ *_Yes, obviously centrifugal compressor gas turbine aero engines as far as gas turbine engines are concerned at the time were high tech & not easy to build or get working, the only people able to do a good job & produce something reliable enough, powerful enough & suitable for use as an aircraft engine were of course located in England._* Centrifugal compressor gas turbine aero engine obsolete at the time (1943) etc? *_Obviously not at the time or for the next 15 years as far as jet fighters were concerned & they're still manufactured for use as gas turbine aero engines, the Pratt & Whitney PW200 range of engines being an example of the typical centrifugal compressor reverse flow combuster gas turbine aero engine. The world's first demonstration of such a gas turbine aero engine being performed by Whittle in 1937._* Of course, the RR Nene centrifugal compressor gas turbine aero engine was in fact the most powerful & reliable gas turbine aero engine on the planet in 1944 with licenced manufacture versions being produced in many countries including France & the US & unlicensed copies being produced in Russia (for Migs) & China. The RR Nene in 1944 was of course more than twice as powerful & 1213 times more reliable than the ridiculous 46 minutes life Jumo 004 used for the absurd ME 262 & inane Arado which took off on a drop away trolley & landed on skids & was significantly inferior in all respects to the fabulous DH Mosquito Indeed gas turbine aero engine attempts in Germany were simply based on incomplete information from England & were incompetent, unreliable, ineffective & always dangerous as far as the unfortunate pilots were concerned. The W.1X engine powered the E.28/39 for taxi testing on 7 April 1941 at Brockworth near the factory in Gloucester, where it took to the air for two or three short hops of several hundred yards at about six feet from the ground.[6] The definitive W.1 of 850 lbf (3.8 kN) thrust ran on 12 April 1941, and on 15 May the W.1-powered E.28/39 took off from Cranwell at 7:40 pm, flying for 17 minutes and reaching a maximum speed of around 340 mph (545 km/h). Whittle demonstrated his engine in 1937, the world's first demonstration of a pure gas turbine aero engine. Gloster E28/29 + Whittle W1 Short Hops April 1941. FF May 1941. Gloster Meteor First flight 5 March 1943 Gloster Meteor In Service (after extensive trials & with a very reliable engine.) Introduction into service 27 July 1944 3947 produced. Operational in more than 17 countries. Retired 1980s RAF. Me 262 First flight 18 April 1941 with piston engine (Junkers Jumo 210). 18 July 1942 with junk jet engines Junkers Jumo 004 In service Introduction April 1944 but mostly still highly experimental & useless. Retired 1945 Germany, 1951 Czechoslovakia. Primary users Luftwaffe & Czechoslovak Air Force. Hope this helps. Cheers 👍😎🙂. . .......
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