This episode was recorded on 9th February 2024. Podcast links below! If you're enjoying this content, why let SVB know on his stream where he would really appreciate your subs while he is trying to get into the Partner Plus Programme (www.twitch.tv/svb_ ) or his second channel The Soak (youtube.com/@TheSoak ) where he does movie, TV & anime breakdowns! The best way to support the podcast is still www.patreon.com/svb Soundcloud: soundcloud.com/ow_svb/the-great-february-debate-2 Spotify: open.spotify.com/show/6sRWutKTc0gnWuguo62Vpa Apple Podcasts: podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/svbs-group-up/id1490256265
@slaiff.
6 ай бұрын
Hi, so looking forward to listening to this episode, so excited for season 9. I just switched from Spotify over to the music streaming platform Tidal, for us Tidal listeners we would love to have the Group Up podcast there so we can listen in as well :) not sure the ramifications of that, but if it's not too hard to do, it'd be greatly appreciated!!
@ckasunder289
6 ай бұрын
The glasses podcast
@pokvirus5705
6 ай бұрын
The glasses up podcast
@bobothebob4716
6 ай бұрын
The average age of OW players aint going down. That's probably why they had to make the bullets/projectiles bigger.
@User-pu3lc
6 ай бұрын
What a spectacle!
@dadrako1581
6 ай бұрын
@@User-pu3lctake my like and leave.
@john-paul3271
6 ай бұрын
The Intellectuals.
@gTr4yr4y
6 ай бұрын
Freedo looks like a police officer when he sips his mug. Patrolling the streets of masters
@TheChryystal
6 ай бұрын
He looks cuter than that. He looks like a RETIRED COP!!! ... pension bb. jk lol
@BloodRain222
6 ай бұрын
LMAOOOO
@Real_MisterSir
6 ай бұрын
Imagine Freedo flying around in Dva's police mech scolding egocentric Masters players that are tantrum throwing xD
@TheChryystal
6 ай бұрын
How could you have you given me a dream wrapped in a nightmare? Dva... ugggggg @@Real_MisterSir 😨 Though tbh it is one of her best skins. ...
@joegarrison5911
6 ай бұрын
The mean mean streets or masters.
@umbralowl
6 ай бұрын
I hate how the new Jade weapons just look like shiny green metal instead of the light and dark green hue rock that Jade is
@locomotivetrain3797
6 ай бұрын
To be fair this is most likely the worst skin we,ll get
@Thr3leven
6 ай бұрын
I kinda like em.
@umbralowl
6 ай бұрын
@@Thr3leven I don't mind them they look fine in some lights, but I hope they change it to make it look more like stone than metal
@comfysage
6 ай бұрын
it really didn;t surprise me since the ow2 default skins looked awful compared to their originals
@marigolden_mariposa
6 ай бұрын
they won't change them at this point. They just changed the name from what it should've been: Emerald bcuz they thought it sounded better. which just shows how dumb they are because they look nothing like jade so the name is just stupid @@umbralowl
@jessereaney2818
6 ай бұрын
I think we should appreciate how good of a host SVB is! He tries his best to equally distribute the floor to all his guests, interjecting when he feels he can. He comes back to topics that have been left behind. He realizes when someone wants to say things. He knows his guests well enough to know their stances and knows where to direct questions and pivot discussions, while also pivoting the discussion back to the main point. Great job SVB!
@its-tinyavocado
6 ай бұрын
They did it. They changed literally everything, before changing imos.
These 3 hour podcast are the only times I feel like I have friends 🤣
@nidhishshivashankar4885
6 ай бұрын
That’s wild bro (ik you’re kidding but still)
@MidnaTTP
6 ай бұрын
I’ll be your friend 😊
@plaguepixel
6 ай бұрын
We are all friends here!!!
@ecclecticsayonce5131
6 ай бұрын
what’s ur ow bestie
@megamecha100
6 ай бұрын
Wait we're friends?
@DRUKENHOBO
6 ай бұрын
as a tank player ive already prepped for they new season by stocking my steam backlog.
@DriplessShrimp
6 ай бұрын
You sir are genius. Elden Ring is very fun
@BeastMode-bw2ry
6 ай бұрын
I've prepped for the season by installing Netflix with Avatar the last airbender ready (just in case I get mad), adjusted the controls on pharah for the rework, changed my sensitivity and have a bag of potato chips and chocolate milk ready in the kitchen.
@DRUKENHOBO
6 ай бұрын
@@BeastMode-bw2ry pal world is like ark but with Pokémon, quite relaxing.
@elpapisaint
6 ай бұрын
I'm definitely enjoying the Oblivion grind again. A very good replacement for me
@neodaltiair8624
6 ай бұрын
The discussion of the lore is so true. How many in game events could bring people back if there was a genji hanzo event with a 5 min cutscene and new skins?
@matteoschlechtleitner4550
6 ай бұрын
Eskay's idea of having characters comunicate staff is GREAT! I know it would be expensive to make, but omg, everytime I want to feel passionate about OW again, I watch the cinematics.
@Jae_JETT
6 ай бұрын
Dude we need to talk about ultimates. They are pretty much useless at this point and get completely out classes by cooldowns. What’s going on dude.
@DriplessShrimp
6 ай бұрын
True and real! The fact that dead eye is still in the game is a crime. They should add ult reworks. Rework one shot ults and remove immos.
@andrecarvalho9144
6 ай бұрын
I think dps ults would be slightly better with the new passive bc they cut off the healing and some of them do area damage but yeah some of them are very weak
@tryingtochangemyways5074
6 ай бұрын
@@DriplessShrimpI fear widowmaker more than Cass ult
@e.b.9702
6 ай бұрын
Imagine being excited about FUGLY jade weapons...
@DriplessShrimp
6 ай бұрын
Green crayons were cool when I was 5. Not as a OW weapon
@MidnaTTP
6 ай бұрын
Yeah they’re so shit
@brown9671
6 ай бұрын
Imagine that being what you care about this patch
@ianhunt1866
6 ай бұрын
SVB has some good rants in here. Whenever he starts going off it's always a treat 😅 Another great episode
@midmoose
6 ай бұрын
what a lineup for all the recent news, thanks svb and glasses group
@leifericson7665
6 ай бұрын
I haven't played OW for months now but I always tune in to see what you guys have to say. Keep up the good shows SVB!
@megamecha100
6 ай бұрын
SAME high five! ✋
@michaelpurdon7032
6 ай бұрын
I think there's more to raising health than just a backwards way of merging damage. There's a lot more space to balance heroes with a bit more health to okay with. They've had to bounce numbers up and down, over and over because the breakpoints were just to narrow. I think this is an attempt to actually fix some problems and not just the problem that's flavour of the month. When we call for reverting things we often forget why things moved in the first place
@secretlyaslug2325
6 ай бұрын
I guarantee that Genji blade with new break points with Blue Beam and Nano can be way better or more flexible. For years it's been so awkward for them to balance.
@chigwom7894
6 ай бұрын
They just can’t balance there game. Simple. This is the easy way out instead of fixing shi
@josephreynolds2401
6 ай бұрын
@@chigwom7894It fixes key problems with trying to keep health and damage values out of the decimal ranges if they want to fine tune. It should have been implemented in OW1. Even decimal values is better than trying to keep the bulk of the roster around 200-300 hp despite the issues whole number values create. Although considering your tone, the other people commenting seem to understand basic math a lot better than you. I'd recommend you take some maths classes before you make simple mistakes in your feedback. That's the kind of feedback the devs throw out.
@City.of.Rancho.Cucamonga
6 ай бұрын
Interesting take
@chigwom7894
6 ай бұрын
@@josephreynolds2401 not reading all that sis 💀
@libertyprime9307
6 ай бұрын
Freedo is the white Niel DeGrasse Tyson: _"These changes will make shots feel more accurate, I theorize. 🤓"_
@daniel-tv4hx
6 ай бұрын
I think Freedo was right about junkrat, his mines already feel very big compared to how they look so making the hit box even bigger is going to really mess some people up, eventually we'll all get used to it but for awhile we will be hit thinking there's no way that touched me.
@trunnellstaverntales6228
6 ай бұрын
Makes sense to me, they're explosives! Proximity detonation seems reasonable.
@CoconutYoyo
6 ай бұрын
This conversation reminded me of the fact that they implemented lore and world building in ow1 through their map designs which we dont see anymore in ow2. Examples like the payload on route 66 or the airport destruction in Numbani. There is a lot of ways to tell or hint and stories and world building in game that doesnt need the cinematic budget to move things along and create interest. Even just using billboard and posters to hint at things going on in the world. There is also so much tech that they were developing for pve that seems not to have been used. What happened to all the weather tech. They could introduce some of it at random or maybe over a weekend where maps have sand storms or rain storms for some of the games to mix things up. Its seems like there is ways to introduce some sparks into the game they just dont have the staff to do it or they just have a bottom line to feed and all of the efforts are going into pumping out skins that no one can afford. Just my opinion...
@indeboss
6 ай бұрын
SVB was doing nothing but dropping facts throughout this episode, glad to see him being this passionate about the game at again and voicing his opinion alongside the guests'. Especially about the PvE themes: I'm convinced that much more people would care about the heroes' personal struggles rather than the Null Sector shenanigans. That's what made a lot of the animation shorts iconic: they were about the characters' struggles and emotions rather than "how do we defeat this robot mommy".
@fastlikeabearfitness5422
6 ай бұрын
Eskays idea of the characters, fully voice acted, telling you you should play ranked, say based off hours you have on that character, voice lines to the player, is an incredible idea.
@momdad1818
6 ай бұрын
Do you have a time stamp? 😵
@daedpuul5054
6 ай бұрын
This episode was amazing! it touched upon a lot of topics/experiences I've dealt with/thought of. It was highly enjoyable and I like the self awareness of the participants and the wanting to expand upon understanding of what Overwatch 2 could use to improve with communication/management story telling etc.
@DNYLNY
6 ай бұрын
15:33 So true when Eskay said ppl didn't know the game when it came out. The first 6 seasons, no creator had Bap above B-tier, which I thought was crazy. I thought he was S since season 1.
@elpapisaint
6 ай бұрын
He was S since season 33 of OW1 LOL
@CesarCaballero-ui8tp
6 ай бұрын
Yeah bap has been up there since launch imo
@thepoofster2251
6 ай бұрын
One thing i havent heard ppl talk about is support ult building speed. Supports that just healbot and build ult will get ult 20% slower due to the dps passive nerfing heals. Less lifeweaver trees and brig ults from farming heals. This could lead to a world where dps usually farm their first ult before defensive ults are charged, which will hopefully stop full holds on Dorado and similar maps
@b23beatz
6 ай бұрын
A good support player is doing more than just heal bot to be fair, LW mercy is an exception obv but everyone else can weave damage in between healing to compensate
@comixfan
6 ай бұрын
I'd be interested in OWCS if Australia & New Zealand weren't being ignored by it.
@Hous3ofpros
6 ай бұрын
all i want, is for them to make sub-groups for the passives. so that not ALL the dps have the same passive, like marksman-style dps could have a passive that ramps headshot damage each time you get a kill, so we can keep 1-shot in the game but only as a reward for hitting shots, not just outright. bruiser dps could have the same passive (healing debuff) and flankers could instead get the support passive so they can heal on the flank. something that helps the dps be effective, but in their category, instead of just being super strong while still leaving some behind bc the passive doesn’t help them
@josephreynolds2401
6 ай бұрын
On-kill effects create boom or bust playstyles. Reaper used to pick up souls dropped after a kill to heal and he would dominate lobbies or flop like a wet noodle because he cant get the first kill (or access the dropped soul). Since they're pushing consistency, they're not going to add a snowball effect to a single character until the roster gets more heros.
@JLM1PB
6 ай бұрын
1:59:00 and a few days ago Flat was acting all surprised when the narrative teams got deleted. This guy says everything and it's opposite honestly.
@eagerinspirit
6 ай бұрын
he's got to act surprised to farm content. he probably sees the patch notes before he reacts to them for each season.
@Mikuroko69
6 ай бұрын
It's a small problem, and may not affect anything than how it already is, but I feel like they should've addressed queue time. With everyone saying DPS is the new "carry" role, and tank being the L role that got minimal changes, I feel like many players are going to try DPS out to see how it feels and there'll be less tank players, which will make it harder to find matches.
@ReasonableRadio
6 ай бұрын
"Nobody's come out better after watching tiktok" I knew this but saying clearly like that really hits
@BAIARJ
6 ай бұрын
At 1:12:20 this is not a blizzard or Microsoft thing. This is basically how workers get treated in 90% of jobs in the capitalist system. What that dev went through I also experienced and I’m not in the gaming industry. That’s what companies do to workers every day in every business segment
@GoodRNG
6 ай бұрын
As a medal rank nobody, I’m excited for the new heal passive. Playing majority of my games with 2 supports pocketing Orisa gives me hope that I can survive a few more scenarios as DPS on my own.
@ramennoodles1404
6 ай бұрын
Here I was so down bad for ow content I was going to start spilos dos guide (I listen as I drive (I drive for work))
@RelexGG
6 ай бұрын
The thing is at 22:50 that mechanics will be as hard cuz for example now u can 1hs and 1 body shot to kill a squishy as Cree, after the patch it will be 2 headshots. So it will be harder to actually kill someone but EASIER to do consisten damage. Finishing blows will be harder to get though
@LUCKIPUP
6 ай бұрын
change tank passive so it gives chain cc immunity of some type, some of the ways you can chain cc a tank out of playing the game is crazy.
@noahodum9737
6 ай бұрын
I hit my second highest peak on support season 1 of OW2 as diamond 1. The role needed absolutely 0 buffs, support players just whined about not being able to climb by healing and so they buffed the absolute shit out of them. If you can't hit sleep darts, nades, kunai, or your shots, why tf would you expect to climb in an FPS game? Support is the LEAST FPS like role in the game.
@jessereaney2818
6 ай бұрын
Can't wait to see how this goes...!
@duel2803
6 ай бұрын
beat me to it
@sulack
6 ай бұрын
It bugs me how broken Overwatch content creators are. Every justification for bad changes has the same argument. "Overwatch is not a serious competitive game" while the entirety of Overwatch content is about high Elo play. This is how Blizzards culture beats people down. I imagine the conversations go the same way inside the company. We are watching Overwatch creators souls die in real time, all in desperation to increase the OW audience.
@jkvltra804
6 ай бұрын
They could have lowered everyones health by 50 and freedo would be praising the OW team. Guy is the ultimate company man and doesnt even work for the company lmao
@aussiecossie5816
6 ай бұрын
Tank passive should include a 50% reduction to crowd control effects. Since their role is to make space and dictate the fight.
@YazzPott
6 ай бұрын
Rein players would cry even more, imagine a tank getting up after 1 second of shatter, oof
@josephreynolds2401
6 ай бұрын
@@YazzPottBut the tank's support system is also crippled if it's not a solo shatter. The stun time on other heroes is more than enough time to generate impact during the stun. Furthermore, disincetivizing a solo shatter on tank is exactly what the change would accomplish.
@CesarCaballero-ui8tp
6 ай бұрын
I def wouldn’t say 50% but I mean that sounds like an interesting idea
@echiisenpai9214
6 ай бұрын
1:32:26 Freedo saying the quiet thing out loud was a good breath of fresh air ❤
@joemorphew8244
6 ай бұрын
Hot take: Things will die a lot faster even with more health, but not immediately. Meaning no insta blow ups from hanzo and junkrats etc but concentrated fire is going to be 100% more effective and overwhelming healing and killing the target. Projectiles are 50% bigger which is going to translate to a lot more shots hitting plus 20% reduced healing from the dps passive.
@vendetasebastian8867
6 ай бұрын
They are making changes for the love of change. Don't want to first implement in a mode where you can test them and give feedback. But them forcing it down your throat, then they act surprised about the backlash. It's just sad at this point
@DriplessShrimp
6 ай бұрын
Yep! Imagine if there was a way to experiment with changes before they went live... Oh yeah ow1 had that.
@vendetasebastian8867
6 ай бұрын
@@Truthforeals but there will be a majority that will have the same opinion. And at least they would try to fix it, not just throw stuff out and forget about it and call it a day. And let's be honest, it will take a long time until they will make any major changes like these again.
@vendetasebastian8867
6 ай бұрын
@@Truthforeals expect them after some time playing on the new patch
@vendetasebastian8867
6 ай бұрын
There we go..
@Coachteach
6 ай бұрын
There is a direct quote in the patch notes that says they aimed to make time to kill the same. Up health pools, and upping damage from bullet size have the aim to balance each other out. Everyone is strangely theory crafting guessing which way ttk is going to go, which is impossible. But the truth is, if ttk is shorter or longer, they will rebalance to direct the game to the current ttk. Because that is their stated goal. So don't guess, eventually it will be the same, that's what's important.
@Skratch63
6 ай бұрын
I feel that so hard on the universe point. The lore of that game is so ripe with personality and full of what ifs. Series/pve mode/even like little bits and pieces in menus showing more of the characters personalities.
@Shzl47
6 ай бұрын
I'm gonna predict that Tanks end up getting a buffed version of the Heal Passive to either heal 40HP/s after 5s or the 20HP/s kicks in after 3.5s
@DriplessShrimp
6 ай бұрын
That passive is so useless for a tank. If youre sitting out of a fight for 5 or 6 seconds youre doing something wrong
@mrgoldenreset9590
6 ай бұрын
Well, heroes like Sigma can easily not take any damage for 5 seconds because of his barrier. Since he is a poke tank. Reinhardt (if his barrier isn’t take a lot of damage) can heal himself. Ball and Doomfist will have more uptime with their engages as sometimes, when you’re waiting to get healed, you usually chase for health packs, especially ball. The only heroes that doesn’t benefit this as much are D.VA and Zarya, but even then, it is nice to have that passive.
@Shzl47
6 ай бұрын
I'd honestly like to see 40HP/s after 3.5s for tanks since they get focused so hard and Damage heroes will definitely be proccing their Passive on them alot.
@christopher7692
6 ай бұрын
@@mrgoldenreset9590I think you're underestimating how long 5 seconds is. In no world can a Reinhart durring a fight just hide for 10 seconds just to regen 100 health
@mrgoldenreset9590
6 ай бұрын
@@christopher7692 it’s definitely possible if the fight was lost and he was retreating. Maybe it’s not useful during the midfight, however, it is still useful
@masterchiefyoumind
6 ай бұрын
Sym turrets might trigger the new dps passive (20% less healing for 2 seconds every hit I think but unsure if it stacks)
@leekyb3837
6 ай бұрын
Fredo droppin a Manny Fresh reference 3 min in was unexpected af
@devincrenshaw4865
6 ай бұрын
That song Freedo was talking about was a banger on Need for Speed😂
@thedofflin
6 ай бұрын
This patch is going to reward good positioning and cover usage. Like if you can avoid being shot at, that's massive value compared to the current patch. If people are able to hit everything on you when you are out in the open, you will get way more value playing in cover now. Personally, I didn't like that OW2 was becoming way more deathmatchy and the erosion of a front line, but if people hit everything now you will want to use cover and you will want to make use of your tank's damage mitigation. Edit: I agree that tank gets the biggest nerf though, so they might need to buff tank damage mitigation or, more importantly, _close-range damage_ so they pose a threat and can actually take space
@jonasdowner
4 ай бұрын
aged like wine. good read. yours truly, the future
@8401bman
6 ай бұрын
Ash dynamite is going to be really good with the healing reduction passive. If she hits a dynamite that ignites 3 people, all 3 people will receive 20% less healing
@Lentizzz
6 ай бұрын
YESS!!! 3 Hours, 3 Top Guests, this gonna be good.
@ludwigvanbeethoven8164
21 күн бұрын
and 1 freak
@thepoofster2251
6 ай бұрын
fave 4 on the podcast! All we need is Spilo squeezed in there!
@ReasonableRadio
6 ай бұрын
The health pools going up is kind of nice honestly: specifically because it allows them to tune health more while keeping the numbers round. One 25hp bar is a more precise difference now.
@MaybeT0XIC
6 ай бұрын
Omg hearing « Taimou » was so nostalgic hahaha
@ncBadrock
6 ай бұрын
I think tanks will be least affected by the projectile size change, because tanks were so easy to hit even with the smaller projectiles.
@Bry1an
6 ай бұрын
Is there one single positive thing that can come out of adding a entirely new worthless currency to a mode that already gives worthless currency? Is it just to fuck over veteran players that supported the game for years? Is it really that bad if the super ogs have a new cosmetic toy for the next YEAR, only for the currency to turn back into the old currency anyway? What is the point.
@sparquisdesade
6 ай бұрын
Cmon, be real, if you're in the group of " veteran players that supported the game for years" you already bought every gold gun ever for all the heroes an are jus buttmad you can't spend your years of stockpiled comp points to instantly get the new weapon skins for every hero on day one. If anything we need MORE stuff to spend comp points on. There's so many neat ideas they could do. Imagine how cool it could be if they let you buy "dye kits" for your skins with comp points, allowing you to fully customize the color pallet of your skins. Or buy custom titles. For instance a custom comp title could cost 5k comp points per "word slot" up to three slots an then varying words an adjectives could be bought to "equip" into those title spots. Or even weapon addons like a laser sight similar to the one on Sombra's talon skin.
@Nayutune
6 ай бұрын
Just like they have done with a premium coins and legacy credits currency, as well as them reselling all the time-limited event skins OW1 players were grinding for.
@Bry1an
6 ай бұрын
@@Nayutune yeah but this is literally the same coin. You buy the same things, and after a YEAR, they just go back to the being the actual same currency. Its asnine, this is actually only punishing the old players, it wont effect ANYONE but the players with 5 digit comp points that can even buy jade weapons first day. They're not special, gold guns were special, these are gold gun reskins.Then now everyone gonna get fucking confused because we added another worthless shitcoin to the gui
@DriplessShrimp
6 ай бұрын
@@sparquisdesadeshould be able to trade them in at least. Not our fault they took years to add anything. Even a 3 to 1 exchange rate would be cool
@sozi6862
6 ай бұрын
Eskay's idea for using the Heroes for balances and other things is so good! You could even use existing voice lines! Orisa nerf? "Efi will not be happy about this" It really does feel like there's not a marketing team.
@asagrimreaper
6 ай бұрын
Mercy damage boost , Zen discord and 2 flanking dps going for the tank first. 50% more dmg and 20% less healing, it'll be great to play tank!
@justindemont6062
6 ай бұрын
They need to ignore the whining and let tanks be the raid boss they need to be, imo they need to have things affect tanks differently
@andrecarvalho9144
6 ай бұрын
@@justindemont6062 their passive should include debuff resistance and the role would be far more powerful but not broken, also the dps passive not being stackable in the same target
@digitalhadoken
6 ай бұрын
dopamine patch goes crazy
@ultraviolenc3
6 ай бұрын
They spent 40 min on justifying why simplifying the game might be actually a good thing. Some of them applied pretty impressive mental gymnastics. Sounds like cope tbh, I can't take it serious.
@Youknowmikekhan
6 ай бұрын
Saving this for my chores tm, so excited! We’re so back! Lol
@jsmooth8655
6 ай бұрын
The Mannie fresh nod🙌🏾🙌🏾 it may not have went up commercially but it went up in the hood!
@tryingtochangemyways5074
6 ай бұрын
If these changes makes it so everybody can hit headshots with widowmaker..I am uninstalling this game asap
@choongkeat
6 ай бұрын
0.05m is 50mm.... if a bullet is 50mm+... that's scary.
@imgoingonamarch
6 ай бұрын
Why didn’t they say 50mm? Is it coz Yanks trying to understand metric? ‘Does anyone say millimetres? Shall we say 5cm? Wait, is it 5cm? Ah fuck it put 0.05 metres’
@recon1506
6 ай бұрын
What really makes me upset about season 9 is the health pool increase make TTK longer and slowling the game down more make it more of a poke meta
@rogue4340
6 ай бұрын
Shouldn't, just have fun with new changes
@THYnameISsarcasm
6 ай бұрын
Poke meta will hopefully be fun with the DPS passive. The only thing that sucked was getting stuck trapped in a match where your team doesn't have a Mercy pocket
@6ftmouse349
6 ай бұрын
I mean they doubled the size of the bullets. TTK really isn’t going to be be longer. Also DPS passive will reduce TTK.
@ofmoosenmen
6 ай бұрын
@@THYnameISsarcasmthis is going to fucking suck for the fast majority of tanks. Depending on the length of time the debuff lasts, if your tank doesn't have a shield, there will be a lot more hiding to wait out the debuff. Yet another dog shit tank meta, can't wait.
@Coachteach
6 ай бұрын
There is a direct quote in the patch notes that says they aimed to make time to kill the same. Up health pools, and upping damage from bullet size have the aim to balance each other out. Everyone is strangely theory crafting guessing which way it's going to go, which is impossible. But the truth is, if ttk is shorter is longe or shorter, they will rebalance to direct the game to the current ttk. Because that is their stated goal. So don't guess, eventually it will be the same, that's what's important.
@Punchbadguy
6 ай бұрын
Before watching, I want to say how these changes are so fundamental that there is no telling how it will actually play. My educated guess is that tanks will have a harder time killing things, however, will have less immortalities to deal with since DPS can drain those resources better now.
@justindemont6062
6 ай бұрын
I better see a dragon blade buff! If I still only see 100 per swing im gonna friggin riot justice for my boy
@Phillospillo777
6 ай бұрын
I agree about the lore. We need new voice lines every season. At least in the pregame area. Some of them are getting really old, and I’ve only been playing the game for like a year and a half. I imagine older players don’t even put their headphones on till the door opens.
@buffhorses3632
6 ай бұрын
Disagree with svb. Why is it our job to have optimism to save the game? Shouldn't the responsibility be on Blizzard to give us a reason to be optimistic? When is the last time that happened? Oh yeah when we collectively agreed to be optimistic about blizz abandoning ow1 because OW2 was going to fix everything AND have PVE..................................
@MaybeT0XIC
6 ай бұрын
Freedo being absolute mentally dead in the first minute hahaha
@dangeroustoaster2688
6 ай бұрын
I absolutely think freedo‘s understanding of this game is amazing. Kudos. Great to see it. Thanks.
@jayrichardson9746
6 ай бұрын
A use for souvenirs….the last person to kill in a team kill shows a souvenir animation for everyone to see 😂 To touch on the story stuff, I hope they do more too. That’s what originally drew me to the game Great show as always!
@glasscolatv2417
6 ай бұрын
I agree on the point you guys are making about the dev's need someone to call the shots. I specially hate that Role Queue and Open Queue is a thing... Just go with 1 thing so you don't have to balance 2 main game modes...
@CesarCaballero-ui8tp
6 ай бұрын
Good point, and also it creates two different communities which in turn makes queue times longer
@Backfired
6 ай бұрын
This is gonna be a tank bully session. Already can't stay alive in broken meta matches now with even more health and heal suppression... idk man queue times about to get long for dps/support like the normal "balance". OW2 plays being higher (potentially) than OW.. Smurf/cheater accounts lol Lets be real in 2016 it was a way different mentality.
@chavezhorne7429
6 ай бұрын
Bring back samito. He is the only creator that seems to have any common sense. And doesn’t shill with safe wishy washy content
@elhubro2386
6 ай бұрын
i want ow 1 classic, pre brig patch
@BilboBaggMan
6 ай бұрын
If they dont add personalized SR gains and losses we may as well change nothing. People need to get punished for anchoring teams down and rewarded when they almost carry.
@patrickmcdaniel5756
6 ай бұрын
They kinda do already based on streaks. The problem is 99% of the time 5 people on the losing team always think they carried and their teammates sucked based on nothing more than feelings.
@BilboBaggMan
6 ай бұрын
@@patrickmcdaniel5756 streaks don't at all reflect in game performance just whether or not you have won or lost the last few games.
@ghostwalker435
6 ай бұрын
Horseshoes, hand grenades and thermonuclear devices my friend..
@alexthebat-uy5be
6 ай бұрын
Sorry that’s never happening in a game like overwatch. There way too many variables.
@JaKeBoT4416
6 ай бұрын
How did they expect anyone to understand these changes when there’s no damage numbers in the game? No one has any reference for these things and they couldn’t sell water in the desert.
@durpasaur3052
6 ай бұрын
I do not play Overwatch, but I love this podcast dude
@bbott137
6 ай бұрын
(I'm not all the way through the podcast but) I've not seen people mention the DPS passive of healing nerf SPECIFICALLY screws over hog more than anyone. His survivabilty is tied to his self healing. And he is always being hit, essentially. So his healing just got a 20% nerf flat in most circumstances. Seems kinda counter productive when they just buffed and nerfed to get him into a good place after a year of being terrible.
@adarshvinodkumar6333
6 ай бұрын
To be fair, most hog players just use the self heal for the damage reduction
@belikebrett
6 ай бұрын
Ngl fuck hog
@bbott137
6 ай бұрын
@@adarshvinodkumar6333 You sound like you dont play hog. If his healing didnt matter why would ana nade hard counter him so hard they had to change his healing resource to a bar instead of a button?
@beausis
6 ай бұрын
"The Specialness of the weapon skins". The Gold & Jade weapon skins are gaudy at best. Not to mention they are just skins so who cares. And they often look whack or out of place with well designed costumes
@exilty-1851
6 ай бұрын
Avg 82% accuracy on 76 and other Hs on xim on console 39% aswell and 60% crit for wido can’t wait to further abuse people even more with this new hit reg
@notabot9181
6 ай бұрын
Can’t wait to get dominated even harder by the ximming mercy soldier duo
@Nevergates
6 ай бұрын
Those specs really suit Freedo
@LeadLeft
6 ай бұрын
The Overwatch experience has become painfully boring. Click play button, get random map, get random teammates, win or lose, repeat until you’re too frustrated to continue….
@xsconflicttheory2784
6 ай бұрын
TLDR: At lower ranks, long range pokey kind of heros may be able to abuse the, otherwise irrelevant passive self heal by being able to continue poking after taking damage without taking the risk of being punshed by chosing to stay fighting, gambling on going unseen in lower rank matches. (Think high ground on Oasis City Center, for example) For the most part, I agree that the passive healing will me nearly irrelevant in many situations and at many levels of play. However, one scenario I see being buffed a lot can possibly be a common occurrence in, lets say, gold or lower ranks A lot of people are thinking about flankers but, not a lot of thought put into ranges poke and eliminations. Lets say on Oasis City center, theres a smart ashe on high ground as a team fight takes place, in many of these ranks, out of sight may be out of mind or, just ignored and inefficiently dealt with even if the value is recognized. In this scenario, an entire brawl can take place while she sits and gets free value, damage and potentially elims. If you have one other smart and aware player try to address her, Ashe may get the kill on that player after taking some damage. When normally, this would leave her weak and have to make the decision to leave the team fight for a health pack if the (lower rank) healers fail to recognize her need for heals. Now, while potentially unoticed, she can sit and maintian higb value, slowly gaining health and becoming less weak, while never having to make that tough decision to leave or be punished if dived and flanked This scenario could potentially extend further up using widow and quickly peakong when at half health, not long enough to take damage, thus kicking self heal while make shift jiggle peaking
@madtonesbr
6 ай бұрын
I’d agree. For a DPS it would take 10 seconds of no damage to heal 100hp, so about 10-15 seconds to to get to full health. This really only benefits ranged flankers or assassins who can make themselves be ignored (like you said a smart Ashe or Arrge’s Hanzo). It won’t affect the gameplay of the vast majority of the player base.
@austinm223
6 ай бұрын
300 HP Mei and 400 HP Bastion 😭😭😭😭 #CriesInTank
@penrilfake
6 ай бұрын
Aren't most tanks getting a damage buff to compensate for the bigger HP pools, though? I'm p sure the leaks mentioned Reinhardt getting 100 HP swings, and Winston's cannon doing like 80 DPS or something like that.
@AarPlays
6 ай бұрын
Appreciate everyone taking the time to talk about this.
@Jae_JETT
6 ай бұрын
Blowing me mind that they increased all health, increased all projectile size AND DPS can prevent healing AND support have utility out the ass. WHO DO YOU THINK THEY ARE GONNA SHOOT. Spoil alert it’s the tank.
@midmoose
6 ай бұрын
2:01:40 ‘who’s boning who’ LMAOOOOOO
@aussiecossie5816
6 ай бұрын
The heal passive will heal the winning team on their way to the next flashpoint.
@commandoghost5883
6 ай бұрын
My problem is the health changes a lot of hero’s will become so bad
@xsconflicttheory2784
6 ай бұрын
Like who? Wdym by this? I'm genuinely curious!
@DABOMB2371
6 ай бұрын
@@xsconflicttheory2784 increases to health pools will make burst dmg heroes a lot less valuable. Heroes like genji or tracer who combo multiple cooldowns to get elims will get much less value in exchange for the high risk they put themselves in. Increased health gives opponents more time to escape via ability, self sustain, or recieve healing from a teammate. Since dive heroes get most value from quickly getting picks on isolated targets, the increased tok will hurt them lots in higher ranks. Of course we have yet to play test the changes but this is only what I can predict
@daXstoRM5
6 ай бұрын
junkrat, genji, every tank except maybe queen will all feel like shit. junkrat has his 1 2 combo which will be basically gone, genji's already a meme with his ultimate being a pool noodle, tanks will just be annihilated if the other teams dps isnt silver@@xsconflicttheory2784
@KraanFanFan
6 ай бұрын
@@xsconflicttheory2784 hanzo, genji and all other characters who did not get dmg buffed
@FatherMulk
6 ай бұрын
@@xsconflicttheory2784Junkrat might be the single worst dps now in S9. He relies heavily on his kill combo in higher ranks and without it he’s basically relegated to only spamming really crowded chokes.
@Leo-ry3kx
6 ай бұрын
I watched the OWCS announcement and my biggest takeaway was how much of a fucking drone Jared and the one girl looked and sounded next to Soe. This patch honestly might end up being amazing for the game, but its so easy to misconstrue it as the opposite. It's all about the packaging. Soe would add unreal value in that regard
@crom5906
6 ай бұрын
The back in office change was cause they wanted to cut staff without having to pay severance. Cause they would be forced to move to bliz headquarters without a change in salary which isn't livable or quit without severance. Their entire goal was cost cutting hyper efficiently, no way they were going to make exceptions.
@petraSwZ
6 ай бұрын
adding a new complicated currency so jade weapons are more exclusive but like, do they NEED to be? its a reward for playing its not the fault of people who are good and have been playing since ever that you never added anything else for them to spend the comp points. and also if someone is bad and/or doesnt play as much but doesnt like green why would they have to wait a year to be able to get a golden gun again? idk i also feel like letting your good visible players have access to the new thing at the start of the season isnt that bad
@draxnos506
6 ай бұрын
1:06:30 Valid argument Flats, but as someone who’s pushing for skill ceiling mechanics. It’s an upward fight sometimes because you’re a group and you can make yourself the asshole trying to get enough control. Sometimes the right idea seems bad to the designers who may often consider good things to be bad or vice versa.
@untapped8776
6 ай бұрын
I wonder if the hitbox changes get too out of hand if they should introduce a penalty depending on how off target you are. Eskay's discussion about the duality of the hitbox changes got me thinking of solutions to keep some element of skill to hitting insane headshots. It might be cool if they introduced a sort of fall-off on damage depending on how far off you are on a headshot. So a perfect headshot does max damage, but a headshot that's at the max hitbox range does less.
@lrmcatspaw1
6 ай бұрын
I don't think people take out of context what devs say as much as we think. I think people have such distrust of Blizzard as a company at this point that they flat out dont believe anything that comes out of Blizzard. Yes, there are people who can be unbiased or even positive towards Overwatch 2, but most people have been burned by it enough times that they no longer want to like it. It is NOT that they hate it, it is more that they believe they should not like it after so many letdowns. And I think that is what the overwatch 2 steam reviews are at. The game is not that bad, but people feel so betrayed by the choices that blizzard has made over the years, that it is their way of communicating that fact. TO me, the out of touch idea is coming from something far worse. Blizzard is not out of touch, they are just greedy. Diablo immortal, diablo 4, overwatch 2. All these games have gone further in trying to make more money than previous installments of the IPs. It is essentially what people were saying is gonna happen when Activision bought Blizzard. At the time people were saying "rip blizzard". It took a while, but the OLD blizzard is indeed dead. Now, does that mean we should pile on on a dev that is posting something on twitter? No. Because first of all you should not be on twitter. But at the same time, the devs can't come out and say "Hey, we know you think we are a greedy company that cares more about the next quarterly results than 1900 of our employees, or sexual harassments (Yes, I know team4 was not in it, but it is the same company, and they know for a fact that it is being talked about) or the fact that we release only monetized content on time, but we still will try to make this game as good as we can". Because they would be fired that same hour. But in the end, the reality is simple: If overwatch good, people happy. If overwatch bad, people angry. I stopped playing a while back. I will occasionally play2-3 games and leave because I am reminded that the game is not fun. If the game was fun, I would not be here writing about it. I would be playing it.
@alw06git
6 ай бұрын
Wow... KZitem is insane now. A 3 hour video and they're forcing ads on me every FOUR minutes. I'm not even exaggerating. I wanted to watch this video but I can't take it at that rate. I made it 12min and got 3 sets of ads and couldn't take anymore. Every 4 minutes is beyond ridiculous. Unethical even at that point
@FoxiestDuck
6 ай бұрын
1:58:00 They put a cinematic like League Of Legends for their season cinematic, it would build a fuck ton of hype, it would hype up the skins on display and actually sell the characters. kzitem.info/news/bejne/u36e16t4sJ-Dnn4 Blizzard used to be the leader of game cinematics, I don't know why they refuse to capitalise on this.
@SocialDesignFlaw
6 ай бұрын
Hmmm....predictions based on what's coming: - Tanks are not going to be able to get back into their armour health very often with these changes (More health + Dmg Passive) - Does Echo's duplicate take on the passive of the Role she copies? Or does she keep the DPS passive when going Winston/Moira/Brig? - DoT + Damage Passive is going to be nonsense with other Anti-heal effects (Boogieman incoming) Overall there's...a lot to be scared of, with staggered broken mechanics hitting and demanding new patches over the next couple of seasons, but the group here is right. It was time for a change and, despite this not being the direction it should have gone it, it's still better than what was being done this last year.
@madtonesbr
6 ай бұрын
I’m guessing if Echo dupes a DPS she keeps the passive and otherwise wouldn’t
@TheNerd
6 ай бұрын
01:31:00 Before you can change the public perception of the game, you need a fun game first and not a game that feels like a mediocre copy of LoL. That sounds harsh, but thats what most people think if they play Overwatch for a couple hours. What I frequently hear is "Doesn't feel fun to play". Baldurs Gate 3 is a perfect example. Almost no marketing, mainly word of mouth, in the top 10 most played Steam Games for 6 months. next to Counter-Strike
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