For me a journey back to the early 1980s using ISPF at a TN3270 terminal running stuff on the Amdahl.
@onkelfabs6408
Ай бұрын
I really enjoyed using this editor. In my view it was easier to learn how to use that editor than to learn vim.
@ericbischoff9444
Ай бұрын
I don't know for you, but in my experience the aspect that puzzles the most people when they discover vim are the "modes". And in particular, the fact that when vim starts you can't type right ahead. Once you get past that, it gets better. And once you discover the commands, you feel empowered. You don't have that initial bar on mainframe editors.
@moshixmainframechannel
Ай бұрын
@ericbischoff9444 yes lots of jokes about the modes of vim. Vim definitely requires to RTFM
@onkelfabs6408
Ай бұрын
@@ericbischoff9444 yeah, that is actually the issue. When using vim, you even have to find out that you have to press colon q to leave the editor.
@hs-tc
Ай бұрын
One day, somebody's gotta have the XEDIT-versus-ISPF showdown! I'd say they're just about as good... ISPF on VM is a fun time!
@lna432
Ай бұрын
More involved in system programming nowdays, but started my mainframe adventure some years ago as a COBOL developer and it was love at first sight with the ISPF editor. A true legend!
@grappydingus
Ай бұрын
I think the older versions of (I)SPF, in some ways, look even nicer than the new ones.
@KameraShy
Ай бұрын
For me, it will always be Xedit/Kedit. I did start out with ISPF and when I changed jobs where VM was the development. Xedit opened a whole new world, and it was wonderful. Then the company removed VM and I had to go back to ISPF. I just couldn't get used to it again, maybe I didn't give it a change. Fortunately, Kedit for the pc was established and stable. 44 years later that is what I use intensely, every day.
@AShupikov
Ай бұрын
Thanks, it was very interesting.
@kevinbrown6965
Ай бұрын
Interactive System Productivity Facility.
@stevefirst9521
Ай бұрын
I also have used a lot of editors and think the ISPF editor is my favorite. I had a copy of spf/pc under dos that doesn't seem to be around any more. I do have a windows program called SPFlite2 that works pretty well and I found not too long ago. I always thought that ISPF should have been written on a PC, but then be able to edit either on the workstation or some other server/mainframe, simply by giving a pc or mf filename. Maybe that can be done through ftp or something these days. One of my favorite besides move over was the TS command to split a line and then flow it later.
@moshixmainframechannel
Ай бұрын
SPF/PC is around. Go look for it on GitHub/moshix/spfpc
@johnmckown1267
Ай бұрын
I wish I could have a merge of VIM and the ISPF PDF editor. But I miss XEDIT too.
@justwanderin847
Ай бұрын
I agree, ISPF is the Best period.
@user-bj5sr1sm2z
Ай бұрын
seems the video ended suddenly
@moshixmainframechannel
Ай бұрын
Yes. Got a music copyright strike for music they claimed first was copyright free. KZitem sucks
@g90tech-x1c
Ай бұрын
Kewl
@ericbischoff9444
Ай бұрын
Noob question: what's the difference between ISPF and XEDIT? (apart from running on different OSes). Do they share some history?
@moshixmainframechannel
Ай бұрын
Different editors. At vastly different stages of development and capabilities. ISPF today is way more capable
@ericbischoff9444
Ай бұрын
@@moshixmainframechannel Thank you for that answer (and the nice video). I only know XEDIT (although from decades ago), but from this video ISPF seems to have a very similar look and feel. Maybe that apparent similarity is due to the constraints imposed by 3270 terminals? Or do my memories just fool me?
@moshixmainframechannel
Ай бұрын
@ericbischoff9444 I think in this case ISPF may have come up with the line commands approach on the left before XEDIT. But EDGAR, another VM editor that was actually created before XEDIT has the line commands on the right.
@massimo79mmm
Ай бұрын
too bad there is no more a windows version… i’m using it because i’m studying cobol/cocs/db2/ims again, and i find it very simple but effective
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