I still think it's crazy how Samito lives in Lijiang Tower irl
@torduc22
2 жыл бұрын
I'd be invested af in the game if i also lived in Lijiang Tower
@blastedcontroller
2 жыл бұрын
What happen in Oct what did i miss whats sam on if someone can clear it for me
@FGPlus
2 жыл бұрын
@@blastedcontroller the best balance patch since role q update. Every hero was playable I believe e it was a rein dva meta as well.
@silaslsilasl
2 жыл бұрын
@@blastedcontroller seagull made a video in that time about how OW that patch felt amazing. Just before Bap window size increase
@blastedcontroller
2 жыл бұрын
@@silaslsilasl oh yah that's patch was good ya and the recent news I heard blew my mind
@EnderBroadcast
2 жыл бұрын
It's always a good day whenever SVB releases a 2h20m video with Flats, Samito and Freedo. Lemme grab my popcorn, this one's gonna be great!
@az9498
2 жыл бұрын
Except when they say anything at all that sounds like removing one of the tanks on the team is a good idea.
@angusthompson2110
2 жыл бұрын
@@az9498 it kinda is a good idea
@GetQuakedOn
2 жыл бұрын
i swear everyone here is spitting facts.
@GetQuakedOn
2 жыл бұрын
@@ianhur fr. imagine if they were able to get a dev aaron in this
@ashy3340
2 жыл бұрын
Hi ily
@fleta4112
2 жыл бұрын
We need a "The Great Save OWL Debate." OW2 being delayed hss absolutely fucked over owl teams, and there's (extremely) lowdown rumors that some orgs might pull out entirely.
@Real_MisterSir
2 жыл бұрын
G U I L D S
@lenitux5582
2 жыл бұрын
@BLVCK CVT the fact that barely anyone does is an indicator of a big problem in itself. In successful games the esports scene is almost always thriving and relevant (val for example) & pushing the game to more audiences.
@therealzahyra
2 жыл бұрын
@BLVCK CVT you would be wrong in saying that, because the OWL viewership is always higher than the regular Twitch viewership as a whole, every year without fail
@MasoHQlC5GW5btFZ
2 жыл бұрын
Rebuild with OGN. Their production is higher than anything I’ve ever seen and would make OWL worth watching.
@nickniehaus1763
2 жыл бұрын
@@lenitux5582 Valorant is not an example of a successful game my guy. Where as, fortnite is, and essentially has no esports scene. So, your argument is not right and your example of proof is also arguable at best.
@awhitney3063
2 жыл бұрын
Here's a content idea for you guys from an average player ~ You each find an average gold player, or team of players, make some videos training them up and coaching them in the game, then have a tournament with them [Freedo's guy vs. Samito's guy, or teams] and the winning team gets some kind of prize or clout. It's one thing to watch players who are already great at the game play, but I always wanted team tourneys to watch and OWL isn't doing it right.
@milk_bath
2 жыл бұрын
Great idea.
@Wulfereene
2 жыл бұрын
Unfortunate I think this might not be very efficient. You need 6 players on each team that manage to stick to some schedules for training together. And then all teams or at least two every time need to be available for matches. If just one guy of 12 drops out, the match cannot be done. Much organization and coordination among many persons. Not very suitable over multiple time zones. And in the end questionable how many viewers would be there to watch it. Live watching need to align with your schedules and time zone. Our you watch a recorded video on KZitem afterwards. Not sure if this really creates any noticeable interest and income for the creators. Even if it works out, everything is still as dead and doomed afterwards. They cannot make 2 years of events to keep ow alive.
@MasoHQlC5GW5btFZ
2 жыл бұрын
Awesome idea 💡
@athing8523
2 жыл бұрын
@@Wulfereene If console overwatch can do it consistently 4 times a year, in 2 different leagues, with 4+ tiers, so can PC for context look up CGL and Better Academy
@angusthompson2110
2 жыл бұрын
@@athing8523 wait wdym console overwatch league
@crowdozer3592
2 жыл бұрын
Andy feels like the only sane person at blizzard at this point
@datboyandrei
2 жыл бұрын
ya tbh
@dclearylc
2 жыл бұрын
all the pvp balance change devs certainly aren't 😂 let's make sombra broken and junkrat be able to kill anything with 3 shots max😂😂
@akai_shuichi_x
2 жыл бұрын
53:05 I loved hearing Samito preach. You all are doing a 2 hour discussion on what OW should do to improve, where it's gone wrong, the disconnect and conflicting development philosophies, and how changes can improve both the business and the community. You should be fucking paid for that. Most other games don't have the community being so clear, communicating in ways that consider the goals and values of the business, and relating that to other industry competitors. That's a proper fucking business pitch, and the fact that they not only don't support you guys, but ignore the entire community when they're being so generous with their time and patience because this is a game they love, is goddamn disrespectful.
@Wulfereene
2 жыл бұрын
Would even be enough of they would be respected by blizzard. They get money with their content as long as the game is alive and has a community. It would be enough to not stab them in the back by killing the game without any communication, hurting everyone making content and doing a major job in keeping people interested and invested. They make blizzard money and get kicked in the butt.
@VladStopTalking
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah too bad Blizzard is a bunch of egotistical shitheads who think whatever they do is golden. They’ll never come down to earth and accept the fact that they’ve massively fucked up over the years and that they NEED the community. It’s so incredibly sad that you have people like Samito who actively preach every single stream on how to make the game better, but the devs just won’t listen. Other games WISH they could have a clear and cut community like ours.
@Wulfereene
2 жыл бұрын
@@VladStopTalking hmm might it be in an evil twist of fate, that the community with all its hype and admiration made blizzard the self convinced shitheads they became? Are we to blame?
@noahmistle7688
2 жыл бұрын
Sit. Everyone thinks they're the one who is right.
@catra195
2 жыл бұрын
@@noahmistle7688 but only one side can actually be right.
@geminimaxxim
2 жыл бұрын
Samito is consistently one of the smartest content creators in this community. Feel how you will about his personality or the role he plays on the camera, but this guy knows what he's fucking talking about. Bravo, Sam. Keep speaking your mind.
@catra195
2 жыл бұрын
Man fr, I feel like Flats and Freedo just talking to hear themselves talk
@CJ-jc4nt
2 жыл бұрын
Samito s annoying though
@CliffTerios
2 жыл бұрын
shout out to SVB representing average andys like me amongst top 500 solo queue gods also "Zen is supposed to be a glass cannon. Well, with Brig he is a fortress." had me laugh way harder than I am willing to admit because of how true it is lmao
@SVBOW
2 жыл бұрын
Never seen a good Brig below GM!
@xavierharris4036
2 жыл бұрын
He was top 500
@thepigeonman_
2 жыл бұрын
Cliff im a big fan
@matthewlangdon8947
2 жыл бұрын
@@SVBOW obviously aint seen me : ) jk
@HarryPotter-lz7ni
2 жыл бұрын
Would love to see a podcast discussing a restructure for the competitive format and how to implement it into OW2.
@tomKATT92
2 жыл бұрын
Honestly, the 5v5 now is a good shout. Like maybe have it as an optional test in arcade or soemthing. It's better to have it tested now and see peoples reactions than wait till OW2 comes out in 2050. Also You know it;s gonna be good when theres a 2+ hour video by SVB with the better content creators in it!
@armstrong2052
2 жыл бұрын
Experimental would be fine, I'd try it out.
@gemubebop3777
2 жыл бұрын
The thing with that which is maybe why they haven't done it is finding maps to use for the experimental. Because running a Hog or Ball as your one tank on Havana is not gonna be fun.
@gemubebop3777
2 жыл бұрын
But they could definitely implement the changes in as an experimental patch
@Goose1162
2 жыл бұрын
Even just update the experimental as they make changes in real time. If they want to try out a hero change throw it in the experimental 5v5 and see the reaction on if it sticks
@shadowstorm9363
2 жыл бұрын
make the 5v5 an experimental card so we could test it out
@SILK97
2 жыл бұрын
OW needs an expanded tutorial so badly. The lack of in game tools or encouragement to learn is a major issue. The format of the game is so complex that the average player (who plays on weekends and has only been playing the last year or 2) has no real option to learn the game. Then you have this major split in the player base where the experienced are asking for one set of fixes and the general player base is asking for something else. Blizzard please, help your average player improve at and learn your game!
@Naildown55
2 жыл бұрын
I played Dota2 for the first time recently and the tutorial in that game is INSANELY in depth. Would love to see similar systems in Overwatch.
@LilTuba
2 жыл бұрын
I would like better in game ques as well, in elimination mode, there is a huge sound queue when one of your teammates dies, it's amazing and makes a huge difference. Not noticing when your teammates/backline dies is a giant problem in the normal modes of the game, it's should absolutely be there, it would help so much with staggering and feeding, and knowing how a fight was lost.
@caramelito2421
2 жыл бұрын
This. The fact that there is only a tutorial for soldier 76 is dumb. Make one for dps, healer and tank. That should be be better
@caramelito2421
2 жыл бұрын
@@LilTuba it seems that they are going to put that sound, the latest pvp matches got that thing
@athing8523
2 жыл бұрын
Ooooh another hour of great ideas to be ignored entirely by blizzard
@kevingonzalez-james6421
2 жыл бұрын
Right?!!! Such quality ideas
@Real_MisterSir
2 жыл бұрын
I think something they could (and imo should) attempt to do is bring the OWL and the general playerbase closer together. One idea I have in mind is a guild system (which people have been asking for for years), but speficically a guild system that has official subbrances of the actual OWL teams. These sub branches could extend all the way down to the level where casuals want to try out organized play for the first time, but they still don't have any aspirations of going semi pro or anything like that. Then there are levels within the guild itself where you can progress and even do cross level events etc, give people a chance to taste what it's like playing with GMs, maybe some contenders players, heck maybe even bring a few OWL players from the very top into said community events. How would a band of silver and gold players feel like, if they were able to partake in events alongside Super, Danteh, Violet, Sparkle, etc. Right now, the game is set up in a way where the general community is "down here", and the pro players and most content creators are "up there". Blizzard should 100% promote systems that can bridge this gap in the community. Because you know what? When people get to experience something outside just their own rank and typical gameplay, that's when they are motivated to try harder, learn more, partake in events, and all in all be more active as players and community members. I say this as someone who got into organized team environment about a year ago. It completely rekindled my love for the game, and I've been playing consistently since Season 2. I got to taste a side of the game that I had only heard stories of, and it was only out of my own will and hard work that I managed to find an online community to apply to - get assigned on a team, get a coach, scrim weekly, and grow as a unit with my fellow team members. But you know what was missing through all this? Any form of Blizzard backing. This was all 100% player driven, it was not being promoted, it was difficult to find with lots of trial and error, and ultimately it's way too much to ask of the average player to even bother considering it. But if Blizzard can actively put such opportunities right in front of players, make sure to support them and promote joining a team/guild, then I bet that the community as a whole would evolve. Players would get more engaged, not just in the game but also in all the content that surrounds it. Players would be 100x more invested in the League, if they themselves are able to be a part of their favorite team's community. You see this taking place in physical sports already. Little Jimmy can join the football team at age 6, while the best players are playing professionally on an international scale. Little Jimmy might be in a completely different state, but he's ultimately still in the same team as those pro players. He can look up to them, he can watch their matches and cheer for them, along the way he can learn from them. And ultimately, some Jimmys will go on to play alongside them. This is how you build a healthy community from the ground up. And Blizzard has not even attempted to consider this path of community building. They have all the tools for it, they have all the pro players, the content creators, they even have the perfect game for it. No other game benefits as much from teamwork and cooperation as OW does. Blizzard NEEDS to look at this and expand on the community building for OW not just as a game, but as a society - as a lifechoise. Ideally, being an Overwatch player should be a life choise, just like you can choose to be a football player. It becomes a part of your identity.
@rawr4444
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, this is such a good idea! They even made this game with PvP in mind. So why not make it part of the game in a more fundamental way than just having a number represent your rank. People have been asking for guild/team ladder for a long time, as well...
@JadedSaints
2 жыл бұрын
I really like this idea, it reminds me a lot of the guilds that were setup in The Kings Avatar(a great e-sport amine/drama). Excellent idea, I think this would be a great thing to implement to the game.
@DromeEntertainment
2 жыл бұрын
What i would realy like is some sort of battle pass and/or daily quests, even though i have every skin in game and don't care about lootboxes or coins anymore, it would be nice to have that little thing everyday to come back to. It might be a cashgrab for some mediocre skins, but i realised in other games (fortnite, apex, rocket league and hearthstone) that having a challenge just motivates me to play more when i am not playing with friends or grinding comp. The implementation might be tricky, you can't just say "play 5 comp games as genji" and then you have to wait and basically throw 5 games because you are just not good on him. Limit it to quickplay or something like that. Also, map bans. And as seen on some reddit posts, endcards which show the players skin, and let them emote after they get a certain amound of upvotes.
@julsie3195
2 жыл бұрын
I think implementing daily and weekly challenges like those in Apex would work great. Dailies like play 3 games as sombra, do 1k healing with soldier's biotic field, get 2 wins in quickplay. And weeklies like block 50k dmg with Reinhardt's shield, get 20 kills with pharah's ultimate, and heal 60k healing as a support. The figures are subjective but you get the idea. Not only does it incentivize playing the game, but playing different characters as well. As far as rewards? Well in other games with battle passes it contributes to the battle pass level, but most successful games that have battle passes are f2p, so idk if you can do that with overwatch, but you can reward loot boxes/credits to use for skins and such. Or just make it ftp at this point honestly.
@Wulfereene
2 жыл бұрын
Yes I also would like some kind of simple weekly achievements. Problem I see is anything dps related forces you into major queue waiting, even more so when everyone has the same goal. But on the other side you might make some tank and support goals and get people playing those roles a little. But the way it always goes with overwatch is that any good idea gets twisted to crap. We probably end up with horrible matches where everyone plays roles he don't know and just focusing on some progress meter. Endorsements sound so nice in the developer video. But that effort is completely useless. No one cares and there is no useful filter to queue like only endorsement 3+ or stuff. Lfg is no good solution.
@melee9183
2 жыл бұрын
They could implement it in comp for you to win as that hero. It'll force people to actually try and learn new heroes for counterpicking/synergy. These challenges should definitely be rewarded for playing well if they're in comp and in qp it should be easier.
@shanaeverowe9626
2 жыл бұрын
I think the problem with these "mini/drop events" is the play 9/18/27 games is lame. It doesn't feel like an event, it feels like a time/gatekeeping thing. Make the events tailored to the role or even the character. Example: it's a Lucio skin, make it based on getting a set number of sound barriers. Or have a community goal again based off the character. Not just, hey you played the game for 2hours on Quick Play.
@tomKATT92
2 жыл бұрын
The only problem with that I could see is that it'd be very hard to get the character. If you're all going for the same lucio thing for example, then you'd have to get in a game and quickly pick lucio befgore the other support does, if they are also going for it. But it is a good idea and better than what we have right now!
@shanaeverowe9626
2 жыл бұрын
@@tomKATT92 while I can see in role lock modes this could be an issue, it would also be available in arcade like current events are. Definitely would be a time to make sure no limits is in rotation. Plus if it was a community challenge as to a player only one, making sure the best on your team at that role/player gets it would be key
@rawr4444
2 жыл бұрын
yes. theyre so lazy when thinking of ideas to incentivize players actually playing.
@shanaeverowe9626
2 жыл бұрын
Even if they did something based on the role it would be an improvement. Example: supports could either be total healing or maybe defensive/offensive assists. Damage could be total damage (not to shields) or headshots. Tanks could be damage blocked, objective time or something to do with their special elimination potential (whole hog kills for roadhog, charge elims for rein ect). It would be more involved then, yep you played the game for a 2-4 hour binge on Quick Play classic
@SVBOW
2 жыл бұрын
What do you wanna see discussed as the topic of the next Group Up! Podcast episode?
@yoel9396
2 жыл бұрын
Personally I need to hear freedo explain to me why bans are necessary for the trillionth time
@recreationaldrama
2 жыл бұрын
Topic Idea: with assault being eliminated, what happens to heroes who are assault map-oriented such as Sym and Torb? if OW2 is flanker-friendly, what happens to Sym since Blizz hasn’t stated any plans to change her hero kit?
@themalmana
2 жыл бұрын
What are the core things you love about Ow? What games would satisfy those things if/when Overwatch falls and dies?
@Malxer
2 жыл бұрын
Quality of life updates, such as my forum post (would post the link but it would be spam) If you wanna check it out, it's very complete full of community feedback and screenshots. Title is: [Please Read] Quality of Life Updates / A nitpicking thread
@pngdotjpeg
2 жыл бұрын
get the "fuck brig" squad together and just let her have it. you guys always shit on her for a bit, but I feel like there's more to be said (especially from Sam). then, maybe discuss how to balance supports in the future, including the traditionally bad ones like Moira and Lucio (and brig of course).
@fractalelf7760
2 жыл бұрын
I’d like to see whacky fun XP cards like we had for April. Numerous people commented how fun it was, easy thing to do for players and streamers. An easy, EASY way for streamers is to use the Workshop to directly make adjusted content and let players use it. Get Blizzard to announce it with a special card and on the launcher. Easy. I think going F2P now would only help OW 2 when it launches is another easy step, and convert purchase of cosmetics in direct money. They won’t do 5 v 5 because balance isn’t done for it and it would feed anti5v5 sentiment.
@copopopocoporododoro
2 жыл бұрын
or, since we'll be playing 5v5, they can take player feedback and balance it to be a better experience than it will likely be when overwatch 2 drops
@by010
2 жыл бұрын
Samito's rant at 55 minute should have it's separate section in topics or chapters or however youtube calls that
@x4tfxChallenger
2 жыл бұрын
IMO, they need to scratch OW2, makes OW free-to-pay, dump all resources into OW, and balance/re-work certain characters. The number of people that were excited about OW2 has dwindled significantly. People will gravitate back to OW if current issues are diligently addressed. This conversation was very constructive and insightful. Fantastic show SVB!
@LilTuba
2 жыл бұрын
I feel like the highlight of the last 2 years of overwatch was the April fool's patch, we need more of those crazy experiments at the very least.
@davidrich27
2 жыл бұрын
30:36 Flats is giving Freedo a serial killer death stare...
@neuro_4385
2 жыл бұрын
Hopefully he's just concentrating lmao
@austinm223
2 жыл бұрын
Need more podcasts from you 4 in the future
@Real_MisterSir
2 жыл бұрын
Gonna make a cross-genre comparison here; Age of Empires 2, an rts game, over 20 fucking years old. You know why it survives to this day and is still relevant, still has big tournaments, still gets frequent updates and DLC? Two things: First, the core game itself us fucking great. It's intricate, yet approachable. Low entry floor, massive skill ceiling. Second of all, and more important, is that they INVEST in their content creators. Content creators are the sole reason people not only keep playing the game, but also bring back old timers as well as newcomers alike. All the tournaments, casters, etc are all made by content creators FOR THE PLAYERS, while being backed by Microsoft who owns the rights to the game. The game has even survived multiple platform swaps over the years, but still persists because the content creators have something to work with. No the DLC is not free, but also no you don't have to buy DLC to keep playing the game. It keeps a decent revenue stream without alienating those who just want to own and play the base game. RTS is already a more challenged genre in terms of general viewerships and long term mass interest, but AoE2 survives regardless, and it does really well. Bridging the gap between Blizzard+devs and the OW content creators, should be the n1 focus. I don't give a shit, and frankly no one should give a shit, if implementations benefit streamers exclusively or not. Because guys you know what?? When something benefits streamers, that trickles down to the community over time. When streamers have more content to work with, they have a higher incentive to invest time and effort into diverse content. Diverse content brings more attention to the game, and is more likely to inspire regular players to pick up the game and immitate what they've seen from their fav content creators. Inspiration to replicate what people see on stream, is so damn important to the longevity of the game. Most people don't have the time nor capability to come up with interesting new ways to enjoy the game. They NEED to see someone do it first. They need to be shown the way, or at least the entrance to the path that is called "how to enjoy Overwatch on a regular basis again". You all know how many people say "OW dead game", or "Can't have fun in OW"- as a reply to typing GLHF. You know the drill. So many people correlate OW with a chore, perhaps an engaging one, but still a chore none the less. They don't expect to go into the game and have an absolutely great time. CONTENT CREATORS are the ones who are able to rekindle the spark in the masses and show HOW TO HAVE FUN in Overwatch again. They are the beacon lighting the way. Not because they are necessarily better, it's just that their torch burns so much brighter so they can share the light with vastly more people than you and I will ever be capable of. So this goes to both the OW team as well as all you casual players out there. Content creators are the end-all be-all of the long term revival of Overwatch. Ok TED talk over. TLDR content that benefits content creators is the best thing this community could ever ask for in our current situation.
@xristobalramirezromero3469
2 жыл бұрын
This take should have more likes.
@rawr4444
2 жыл бұрын
T90 sub reporting in! Microsoft did a lot, but they did not do it alone. They worked with the community!
@Real_MisterSir
2 жыл бұрын
@@rawr4444 T90 do be carrying a lot ! 11 but as you also hint at, he (and others like him) are taken seriously by Microsoft and are seen as assets, not just individuals with twitch accounts.
@RobinLundqvist
2 жыл бұрын
These are always enlightening
@thijmstickman8349
2 жыл бұрын
1:44:11 LMAO SAMITO QUIETLY LOOSING HIS MIND IN THE CORNER you miss this stuff if you just listen lol
@neuro_4385
2 жыл бұрын
5v5 is such a good idea! We have WAY more content for OW2 than purely that; just MOVE 5v5 from 2 to the current game. Not only does this completely change the current game *without* requiring massive resources (the biggest issue with adding new stuff) it restarts the hype for OW2, allows for a 'test run' of balance changes, and gives players *now* an idea of what OW2 will be like.
@michaelthomas3052
2 жыл бұрын
Could we talk about the smurfing issue in low ranks? It legitimately makes the game unfun i cant GRASP a learning curve if its a shit stomp or a coin flip each game
@toloniinolot7606
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for continuing to do these discussions I think they keep whatever hope there is for the game alive and also give a really good overall perspective of where we're at now.
@therealzahyra
2 жыл бұрын
1. I disagree with Flats that the Overwatch team would get a return on spending more money on outsourcing skin events. The return would not go to Blizzard, but the streamers. From business perspective, the small amount of funding they have for this project, is already been allocated. In order to allocate more money on it, they would need to receive a return (earn money back, in order to be able to afford continuing that extra funding), but people don't spend money in-game for these events, therefore the Overwatch team gets no return for something like this. If they can afford it, then yeah that would be great. But if they can't, it's unrealistic. 2. Following up on the return, I agree with Freedo. In order to continue a flow of earnings without releasing new maps or heroes, they should make the game free to play and introduce a battlepass. One free and one Premium that you can buy, and the option to buy the free battlepass progress in advance like in Apex Legends. This way they can also have great skin events with amazing skins that are purchasable. This might also give them more revenue to fund OW2 as well. 3. Trying 5v5 now would be ideal, but I don't think they have balanced all the heroes for 5v5 yet. 4. What Freedo said is actually a brilliant point, I never thought about that. They might have announced OW2 because of the Hong Kong incident, as it happened just before the OW2 announcement. 5. I think it's worth mentioning that usually, in game development, you focus on developing the game and decide the business model towards the end of development. We are definitely not at the end of development at the moment, seeing as the release date has been delayed. This probably means even Team 4 has no idea what business model they want for OW2 yet. 6. People forget that there is much more development and art and other team work involved for the PvE than the PvP that already exists and just need tweaking. You ask where did the 2 years go, but I think that is a pretty stupid question. It obviously has been going into OW2 (PvE). 7. The throwback idea is nice, but they will never do it, as the balance of the heroes is different from how it was in open queue 8. Thank you for Freedo pointing out that OW2 is gonna be a game that we have no idea what it actually be like. Samito is doing a lot of assuming and assuming with no proof makes no sense.
@thedofflin
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, with respect, there's no thought process behind how revenue even gets generated for Blizzard from these skin events. Since they're betting on the future, as no one is buying OW1 or lootboxes, these skin events are only relevant for generating interest in OW2. There are a million other things Blizzard could do right now, for free, with basic PR management, which would better generate interest and hype in OW2 than any cosmetic events in OW1.
@thijmstickman8349
2 жыл бұрын
I don't play OW anymore, but I will keep watching this podcast because you all are so insightful and entertaining
@nevs_h2002
2 жыл бұрын
Trying out 5v5 now would be so huge for ow1 and ow2. They could implement it like they did with role lock with an extra ranked beta.
@neuro_4385
2 жыл бұрын
+1 +1 +1
@ParkaPal
2 жыл бұрын
You can't just delete/remove a character that a chunk of the mass audience likes as a character, worked/bought skins and cosmetics for, all that stuff, that's wayyy too much negative vibes to the much larger casual audience that are the ones that made overwatch as big as it was.
@langslays1881
2 жыл бұрын
While Samito may be super controversial for people I gotta admit this man is passionate ab the game and loves it. And he also understands it and it’s issues. I wouldn’t mind him helping balance the game.
@BluSKY_Ball
2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely agree with Freedo, ranked for lower ranked players is just unplayable. Throwers, leavers, people just don’t give a shit. Players (such as myself) want to climb the ranks. But that seems impossible by the current state of OW. God help us for OW2
@christopherhelton3372
2 жыл бұрын
the passion from our community is there! Blizzard is blessed to have such a fanbase, OW is a team based game the less they lean into that the worse the game is, some kind of clan system would be great hate playing with random teams too many factors that can ruin my game, win or lose games feel better with teamwork. As a gold tank player 2-2-2 helped keep the game alive I want another tank I need healers to make the game feel like OW
@snoski2697
2 жыл бұрын
Imagine Blizzard claiming there is such a thing as path to pro when they are still stopping players from stacking at high ranks. That, along with Blizzard's insistence on managing all esport for the title, has created a massive wedge between being good at the game and being good at grinding ranked. What a joke.
@Dmanbradley
2 жыл бұрын
I've been saying they should release a limited 5v5 mode since June. Basically, they could treat releasing EXISTING characters in 5v5 mode as OW2 hype/promotional material. They leave the new skins, but add in the rebalanced characters as they are ready and delete the current characters that need a rework. They can collect stats and feedback on 5v5 and make OW2 all about the PvE. Since everyone can only work on OW2 content, and these reworks are coming to the OW1 client for free anyway, they are leaving so much free publicity on the floor by not doing this. When OW2 comes out you still get: * Sound effect rework * Updated default skins * Massive PvE mode * 6+ new characters * Any extra content they have unveiled yet All of those shiny toys can bring in old and new players while the regular content releases of 5v5-balanced characters keeps existing players with stuff *they are working on anyway.* No extra cost; all benefits. Maybe designing the 5v5 mode card for arcade could take a week, but they could just make a permanent experimental card if they want to be extra cheap!
@neuro_4385
2 жыл бұрын
+1 +1 +1
@NeflewitzInc
2 жыл бұрын
On queue issues, just steal Paladins' champion selection. Each team gets 3 bans. Team 1 bans 1 Champ, Team 2 bans 1 Champ, Team 1 bans another, Team 2 bans another. Team 1 picks 2 champs to play, Team 2 picks 1. Team 1 bans 1 last champ, team 2 bans 1 last champ. Then they swap off choosing their champs to play. 6 banned champs, you can't have more than 1 of a champ in the match, so if team 1 gets rein, team 2 can't pick rein. This makes the teams have to reactively pick. At the end there's a chance to swap champs so you can save a champ for someone further down the pick list.
@ferdinandboudreau983
2 жыл бұрын
About the youtube games: I was stacking on smurfs with a bunch of friends and we got queued against the SVB stack, and I have to say, that was the single most enjoyable experience I have EVER had with the game, outside of scrims/tournaments. That kind of teamplay is what OW is about, and Its absolutely ridiculous that ppl can't have that kind of experience in ranked. Let anyone stack, at any rank, and let them dumpster solo q ers, because playing with your friends is fun, and better teamplay SHOULD win the game.
@SilverScar11396
2 жыл бұрын
52:00 Sam’s rant is glorious but completely valid
@racmanov
2 жыл бұрын
Broken dpses affect all ranks svb (replying to debate around 1:40:00). I was low diamond mt. I don't touch the tanks anymore since solo flank dpses just delete you easily and you can do nothing back. Dpses have become so insanely broken compared to tanks.
@CoconutYoyo
2 жыл бұрын
Would BRIG be better if instead of giving constant AOE healing through procking that instead her damage built up a meter and once the meter has been fully filled / charge she could discharge it like that hog healing fart experimental card in a small AOE for burst heal. Basically a similar mechanic to what Moira has but the burst heal would be limited to only the instances when she has fully charged that meter. Thoughts?
@Jim674the18
2 жыл бұрын
If you remove Brig, players will cry every time about every character who happens to be strong "well you did it before remove X" - similar to Freedo explaining why open queue is actually terrible for the game. No one wants 8 wasted games out of 10 because the queue team instalocks Widow, Hanzo, Cassidy, Ashe or whatever God awful combo we always had to deal with.
@neuro_4385
2 жыл бұрын
Exactly. Removing a hero is similar to introducing role-lock: it's just a form of giving up on balancing
@dogs-game-too
2 жыл бұрын
Just imagine how happy the community would be if they never announced OW2 and gave us another hero or two since Echo, with somewhat frequent balance updates. The huge problem is that the longer they take to release OW2 the higher expectations are going to be because everyone wants to know where all this time has been spent.
@akkiko
2 жыл бұрын
Really? Because I assume all delays are due to the dumpsterfire of Blizzard crashing down around their ears.
@themalmana
2 жыл бұрын
Here is a point I have never heard anyone addressing: Activision Blizzard is making money from Call of Duty. If those players would play Overwatch... it would be the same income at best. (And only if they implement better monetization) It's like they have internal competition.
@secretlyaslug2325
2 жыл бұрын
CoD has a game as a service model with microtransactions for cosmetics. OW was a pay once for all the content including like 90% of the cosmetics. CoD makes loads more even if OW was still full price.
@michaelpurdon7032
2 жыл бұрын
No there's more than enough room in the multiplayer shooter department to have many concurrent successful games. There are many sub genres and they don't generally cannibalize each other too much. Halo is about to drop f2p, I expect that to be wildly successful but I don't think it's going to hurt Vanguard too much even though Vanguard is doo doo. BF is also going to be out plus all the Battle Royale games. This is the industries biggest and richest genre
@smokeythebear201
2 жыл бұрын
Definitely want to see 5v5 in an experimental card
@jameskaneshiro1947
2 жыл бұрын
What if we did something that didn't have to include the Overwatch team to do anything? I would rather see something like open tournaments where teams of 6 (or more if you want specialist) to play and have some of the content creators as casters. You would have to limit sign-up to a certain amount and it could also have entry fee that goes into a pot for the grand prize. This could be held monthly so that we could see different teams play and see skill from the community and not the pros. Could also make it with a point system so that the end of the year the team with the most points could be the "Grand Champion." If Blizzard decides to support it then would make it a lot easier but at least with something like this you don't have to rely on Blizzard, Activision, or the Overwatch team for the support. To make some of the tournaments more exciting one tournament could be Mystery Heroes and another could be Total Mayhem or No Limits.
@shadowstorm9363
2 жыл бұрын
oh boy, that video thumbnail is fire
@pngdotjpeg
2 жыл бұрын
double comment kekW, but Samito's calculation of Brigitte's healing is quite biased (unsurprising coming from him). using that same method, Baptiste could heal 350 hps (600 with amp), Moira could heal 740 (1060 with Coalescence), Zenyatta 30 (1500 with transcendence), Lucio 305.8 (4805.8 with beat), Mercy 55 (295 with valk) and Ana could heal infinite hps (since her nano heals instantly, and since we're looking at one specific instant, you could call her hps infinite). I understand the hate for Brig, but you can't just make up funny numbers under some really weird metric to say "haha this character is stupid." Brig is dumb on her own, we don't need fake numbers to show it. Edit: fixed Bap and Lucio's numbers
@billzusner4873
2 жыл бұрын
This. I was like...okay with that same logic Bap could group everyone up together and heal more so what's his point? Even Lucio with all 6 in the heal circle is a lot.
@wookieninja8794
2 жыл бұрын
You know OW is always fun when you play Reinhardt, hug the walls and corners, and the enemy still destroys a 1600hp shield and 500hp (some of which is armor) within the span of 2 seconds. And that's without a bastion......OW is fucked hard.
@Vaz_G
2 жыл бұрын
You have to be a masochist or a cuck to play main tank
@Delboy178
2 жыл бұрын
I'm an hour in and I just got to Sam popping off and honestly. Where's the cap. I was one of those people who used to think Samito was just kind of a hater, didn't really understand his anger and I can be honest and say this has made me do a complete 180. My man is just passionate and sick of getting shat on for it. Big respect to him.
@truckerdave8465
2 жыл бұрын
Samito really gave a big disappointed dad speech and I’m here for it. I wish they would listen.
@dr.bandito60
2 жыл бұрын
Great discussion. I think it’s easy and justified to be scared and frustrated about the content release speed and wanna give up on the franchise. I do however see the Cassidy changes as an auspicious portent. I think we are in the quiet before a storm, and I think the storm will be good. The fact the the OW team was able to prioritize the Cassidy changes signals to me that new people are in place and they care about their team environment. This OW2 delay honestly makes me more optimistic that the OW team is becoming more able to create the great game they want to make. I think there’s probably been a change of the guard and probably for the better. My prediction is that whenever OW2 is out, we’ll see some awesome innovations and better game support overall.
@claymorrison2156
2 жыл бұрын
Love the podcast vids and especially the positive solution oriented takes. It seems like at some point blizzard will finally hear us if creators keep putting out constructive content. Keep up the good work!
@hadoobieboi
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for being our voice
@bcohen992
2 жыл бұрын
Literally the four OW streamers/content creators I watch all the time.
@Axafekt
2 жыл бұрын
If you remove brig tracer and all flankers need nerfs. If a hero is only good in gm and top 500. Would you consider that dominant? Thank you svb and freedo for fighting Sam on his brig stuff. For the majority of ladder brig getting removed only takes away the best anti flank/peeler.
@baileyskates
2 жыл бұрын
I just want to reiterate that this balance team needs to be fired. As even just a lowly diamond player that enjoys watching OWL its been quite frustrating watching what they've done to the game.
@ljb5163
2 жыл бұрын
This needs to be a monthly podcast.
@Dreadiroth89
2 жыл бұрын
Clans. Ways to erase smurfing from the game (like a 5 strike smurf reporting tool). Proper tutorials to show people how the game is played, rather than what the hero abilities are. More maps/heroes.
@trumpetdoty27
2 жыл бұрын
I don't normally comment or any of that, but I genuinely love your content. Keep your stuff up brother
@coolbrotherf127
2 жыл бұрын
Overwatch was massive at the time and I played it everyday for years until 2019, but between competition from the Battle Royale games, MOBAs, and other live service games like Destiny 2 or RB6 Siege, and a lack of content and innovation, the general gaming audience has moved on to other games and developers that seem to actually care about keeping their games alive. I would love Overwatch to make a comeback but it's going to have to really come out with a bang to put itself apart from other titles. Games like Team Fortress 2 show that Overwatch 2 won't die immediately and will probably have a dedicated audience for a while more even after the devs abandon the game. At this point, it seems like what the community is now, is how it'll stay unless Overwatch 2 blows up in a big way and the leadership at Blizzard doesn't kill all momentum like they did current Overwatch.
@kevvondragon
2 жыл бұрын
Great to see there is still people that are passionate about this game and are hoping and doing what they can to make it good again
@simplyspider4375
2 жыл бұрын
If they handled/managed part 1, like this. How do you think they will manage part 2? My guess is that this is a live audition for future behaviors.
@TheLoneBuffalo
2 жыл бұрын
Always a fan. Shout out to you all for keeping content coming and keeping the discussion going.
@Delboy178
2 жыл бұрын
Also another point that I hope you guys get to talk about. The reason that I think taking brig away from the game is a bad idea is because you're taking away one of 7 healers. The devs have been awful in making tank and support feel enticing because there is so little fucking variety.
@benacales409
2 жыл бұрын
Hung over Samito is the embodiment of the OW community's mental rn...
@nuclearsimian3281
2 жыл бұрын
As a bronze player, removing role queue means now, I am the only tank, and I will have four DPS, and one overwhelmed support. Maybe you shouldn't *MANDATE* it, but have players able to vote for it the way Halo lets you vote for game modes.
@rowanfink6687
2 жыл бұрын
You guys mentioned vaulting heroes and formatted tournaments and honestly that seems like such an obvious solution to the delay. We can't look to the future with balancing or devote new resources to OW1 without further delaying OW2 so let the community play past or variant iterations of the game. Use the experimental card if tourneys are too hard and drop playlists for metas. One week only Dva and Winston are playable tanks, then remove hitscans, then remove all post launch heroes, then do 5v5 with 1500 hp or halved cooldown tanks. Let us see all of what the BEST (practically only) MOBA/FPS IN EXISTENCE can be while they work hard on trying not to ruin the game of the decade with a disjointed sequel thats 2 years late.
@datboyandrei
2 жыл бұрын
like literally just give streamers a bigger role in your game, just like every successful modern game
@wizzzer1337
2 жыл бұрын
5v5 open queue with role limit- you must have at least 1 of each, so the max of each role will be 3 and you can't have for example 3 tanks with 2 supports.
@mkwsoxfan
2 жыл бұрын
A tournament mode seems so easy, the model rocket league follows is almost perfect, small 5 round bracket, all members of your rank can participate but you won't (minus smurfs) have a mismatch of skill, they could even do fun daily event tournaments such as defining the supports that can be used in that days tournament. Ex: only zen lucio for all teams this tournament. Gets people to branch out on obscure comps, gets people to problem solve with comp lineups, gets people in a winning is the most important thing in competitive mentality, and for people who feel left out cause their hero isn't allowed in the daily tournament just queue a different role, or wait till the next tournament
@elpapisaint
2 жыл бұрын
Maybe they should just make an experiment card every week or every other week. Go back to balancing on the PTR and maybe the experimental changes go through the weeks then if people like them they hit the ptr and then maybe they get in the final game. I wouldn’t even care if cass got all the buffs in experimental just give me something goofy like a lasso or a lucio speed buff or make hog stop moving when healing. I NEED THE STUFF DUD Edit: Also nerf all the dlc heroes mostly support dlc. Bap/Brig first then Ana. After that rework mercy and tweak zen. I think lucio is fine as is but in the current state of the game he is underpowered and Moira is so bad she needs a rework
@DrReplaySC2
2 жыл бұрын
I want a banna suit skin for Winston.
@shinayanami
2 жыл бұрын
this will save the game
@claymorrison2156
2 жыл бұрын
Dude Sam's rant where he turned red in the face was gold
@davidgreenberg8456
2 жыл бұрын
Didn't they already have 5v5 on the experimental patch like a year or two ago? Where the tanks were all buffed.
@DemonTwink69
2 жыл бұрын
We should have seen this was all coming when the summer games was reused for the first time
@GamePassHolic
2 жыл бұрын
To preface, I love Samito. But that temper (that TOTALLY JUSTIFIED temper) is the reason Blizz won't touch him. And seeing the others have to take a moment to protect their relationship with Blizz by complimenting the lackluster minimum effort job Blizz has done... I mean truth be told that's the difference in someone saying "This is my job, I have to put on a suit and tie and a happy face to get through the day." and someone who is burnt out, pissed off, and about to either quit or get themselves fired. I feel Sam's pain here, but I would hide that rage behind a second channel or alt account with a voice changer lol.
@kamranahmad588
2 жыл бұрын
Blizz executives just want yes men
@Bluemansonic
2 жыл бұрын
Freedom is the King of translating to us Bronze-Plat players
@ncascini01
2 жыл бұрын
No matter what Blizzard says, I think they can and should release a hero. It doesn't need to be one that they have planned for OW2. They can make a new one. Honestly, live service needs to start again as well. If they have to hire more people work on the live game, so be it. They didn't expect to make everyone wait this extremely long time without content when they originally announced that plan anyways. Not doing any of this just announces to the world (shareholders) that Blizz is so far down the tubes that they can't fulfill a basic requirement any longer. Maybe show the world that you can do well when attempting something simple because creating a hero should be very easy and it would make a huge impact on the current community and may even trick some casuals into picking up the game.
@NiteRacer
2 жыл бұрын
All I want for Christmas is the ability to blacklist 2-3 maps so I can dodge Horizon and Paris. I've spent so much time waiting in queue just to get a map I don't enjoy
@isolatedinquarantine9455
2 жыл бұрын
Sam is so good for this community cause he is so passionate about this game and community and seeing it go to shit must be so demoralizing. I love Sam
@alx566
2 жыл бұрын
This was well needed man thank you SVB and all in this video I joined OW in 2020 and I’m sad to see what is happening
@josh6306
2 жыл бұрын
SVB you are a voice of reason and a pillar of the OW community! Big love to you
@miiinkus
2 жыл бұрын
if anyone is confused about Freedo’s reasoning for 5v5, basically it’s like this: OW devs holding onto content/balancing until a new game mode is available is the equivalent of Apex Legends releasing in 2019, then waiting to do another balance patch (with day one heroes abilities and weapons/maps) until Arenas released in Season 9. Just doesn’t make sense to wait like this in the current state of gaming.
@Wulfereene
2 жыл бұрын
Problem is that any balance change for 6v6 might not be appropriate for 5v5. So whatever they do for ow now is likely throw away content. That's why there is no new map or hero. It would need to work 6v6 more and be rebalanced later. Doable, but extra effort. And capacity seems not to be something they have sufficiently.
@miiinkus
2 жыл бұрын
@@Wulfereene 100% agree
@thedofflin
2 жыл бұрын
1:21:15 I like this, like OW2 PVP feels like a custom game mode that a bunch of buddies have made, and we're all kinda meh about it, but somehow this will replace the normal experience we're all used to.
@G005E-H0NK
2 жыл бұрын
My fix to OW 1 is all about hero design, the issue is too many abilities per hero, which creates too many interactions that cause a disconnect between actions and consequences. Often you need to go into a replay viewer and do several simultaneous quadratic equations to figure out why you got sent to spawn or why your team lost a fight. In addition, often it is due to factors outside of your control. Broken characters like brig often have 5+ abilities (brig has 6), whereas much loved characters like Winston/tracer have 4 or less abilities. I don’t see why sigma has to have a shield, he broke the game too by helping double shield. Considering his other abilities he could get value as an off tank with an orisa or rein without a shield. More heros less abilities with simpler interactions is how this game becomes fun.
@Fraaan__
2 жыл бұрын
1:35:35 Flats reaction is gold.
@goryyy
2 жыл бұрын
I came here for the copium
@styregt2006
2 жыл бұрын
I love these debates so much
@anthonycarter1528
2 жыл бұрын
For the Algorithm. We love ya, SVB.
@Huqe
2 жыл бұрын
Where can I find the clip of Flats getting a master teammate who refused to go on high ground on Hollywood?
@speedysnapss
2 жыл бұрын
Some of the greatest minds in the industry right here. Thank you for this
@moneyglitch
2 жыл бұрын
I do truthfully wonder if there's any real reason to try and maintain OW 1 as it currently exists with drops and events and things like that. I think the life cycle of most box games (non free 2 play model) is that there's a hype cycle and then the game dies. So my question is what happens if they let the game slowly die just like every other game? I'm looking at other games like Halo MCC Collection or older CoD games or Battlefield or whatever and they kind of get the boost when they release a new game to that model. Currently OW1 is NOT free to play, so I don't think that they really NEED to keep the game alive anymore. That's just my theory. Re: OWL home and away matches, I think for me personally that was what drew me into e sports. I'm a huge sports fan and the franchised league was an awesome idea to me. I honestly wouldn't give a fuck about the OWL if they had all these weird as gamer team names and whatnot and no identity around cities/countries/whatever. I think the tournament format was awesome and a huge innovation due to covid BUT right before covid really happened homestands were pretty in demand and people loved it. I think it can still succeed and tbh if they don't do it and keep games all online I might just stop watching because I WANT to go to a live game just like I go to a Lakers game or whatever. It's an awesome experience to be with like minded people in person and cheering and booing and crying and laughing whatever else. That's how ALL sports are enjoyed EVERYWHERE in the world, and it's a core part of the human competitive experience.
@darrenhicksmusic6594
2 жыл бұрын
I love listening to these 4 talk about Overwatch
@Hyde472
2 жыл бұрын
Blizzard: Cassidy! OW Community: No. That is McCree.
@lexington.
2 жыл бұрын
The biggest thing OW needs right now is variety, and the easiest way to achieve that is through balance patches. I don't think it is possible to completely balance the OW roster perfectly. Therefore, moving focus from trying to get the perfect mix of all heroes through balancing to changing the meta heroes every few weeks through mass balancing is a path to more variety and will hold the game in better stead until OW2.
@xristobalramirezromero3469
2 жыл бұрын
This content feeds my soul. thank you again SVB
@atomicnectar
2 жыл бұрын
Samito is smoking if they remove brig I will throw EVERY GAME I play until she comes back. I’m jk but removing a hero isn’t solving anything
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