What do you think? Should they keep adding old characters and repeat the process or branch out into new characters? if you wanna chat to me find me here discord.com/invite/raynfgc
@xmesman9844
5 ай бұрын
I think having a balance between adding og characters and new characters would be good(two new, two old for every season). But preferably I would rather have more older characters. Having Jam or Slayer return and seeing what they would look like in strive would be more hype for me than a new character
@SushiDaddy
5 ай бұрын
They should keep doing what they're already doing: adding 1 new character every season and at least 3 returning favorites. That would please everybody.
@mikeyrodriguez3317
5 ай бұрын
this sound like anti SLAYER propaganda to me
@avssingh1859
5 ай бұрын
Truly
@cpubigdipper9145
5 ай бұрын
What did you mean with anti SLAYER propaganda? 🤔
@DeviGamer123
4 ай бұрын
Slayer is confirmed
@cpubigdipper9145
4 ай бұрын
@@DeviGamer123 i see
@BurningCookie
2 ай бұрын
Slayer is here :]
@_emlet_
5 ай бұрын
One day they will add Gabriel, surely they will...
@Cosmisch
5 ай бұрын
In gabriel the grabriel we trust
@benwarr4784
5 ай бұрын
PLEASE
@zhitezeff2239
5 ай бұрын
Ayo how tf Ultrakill fckboy is here
@chainsawguyyy
4 ай бұрын
@@zhitezeff2239 They are talking about Gabriel from guilty gear, the dude with a pinocchio nose
@zhitezeff2239
4 ай бұрын
@@chainsawguyyy ouh the Potemkin's master right?
@EnoEso
5 ай бұрын
I really agree with you for the most part! It's incredibly important to add new characters to keep the game fresh, but I think there's something that was kinda ignored throughout the video When Strive adds old characters back, they are REALLY, REALLY different, both gameplay and design wise. The older titles are constructed way differently than Strive is, so as such the characters are also completely different. Elphelt is a great example of this, since she used to be a high-tier stance character, but was then changed to a low-tier rekka-based shoto. Her personality also went from being a desperate nervous mess to a confident and eccentric rockstar. They barely look like the same character. This also happens with many other characters; Sol lost his classic looped combos, Faust completely inverted nearly everything about him, Chipp traded his teleportation for actual muscles, and Jack-O lost her house mechanic. I think it would be awesome if the next characters were new, but I don't really think there's a massive problem with the current way ArcSys implements them right now. All the characters have been so revamped that they never really got stale to me, but I guess some might have a different perspective if they've been playing GG games for longer. sorry for writing an essay i was bored lmao
@patrickserrats6919
5 ай бұрын
Also bedman being fucking dead
@EnoEso
5 ай бұрын
@@patrickserrats6919 forgot about that lmao, i dont even really consider them to be the same character johnny lost his money, ky lost his ponytail/projectile mechanics/greedo sevah, ram lost her psychopathy and bedman just fucking died
@Arunnejiro
5 ай бұрын
@@EnoEso Being slightly different doesn't make them a worthwhile addition when being re added....A 'new' character would bring a lot more to the game than a slight alteration.
@Arunnejiro
5 ай бұрын
That isn't a positive, that is a negative. Most characters added to guilty gear strive lost the vast majority of their moveset, and got a slight alteration, not even close to being better than a newer character altogether. Arguably many of their designs are worse or in the case of baiken and johnny, didn't change at all.
@EnoEso
5 ай бұрын
@@Arunnejiro I do kinda agree with you with the negative part, a lot of really cool stuff from the older games were removed to make the game more accessible (which is understandable, but still pretty sad) The reason for that, though, I don't really understand. Gameplay-wise, the characters aren't "slightly" different in my eyes, they basically function entirely different. Removing a lot of specials certainly had an effect on it, like you said, but there is more going on than just that; for example, RC, Burst, walls, Tension, and so much more all entirely changed, and all of these affected each character and move drastically. Even if we just took a moveset from Xrd and put it in Strive, it would play nothing like Xrd. Adding new characters would make things slightly more unique, but not a lot more to the game. Bedman, again, is a good example, considering how he 𝒻𝓊𝒸𝓀𝒾𝓃𝑔 𝒹𝒾𝑒𝒹 and became something entirely new. He brought just as much flavor to the game as a new character would, and to me even more. He didn't just die in a prior title as a minor villain no one really cared about, he changed into something to make his history worth it, and finally tie the story together. That's the point of Strive's story. Most of the characters became different people and finished their stories, making all of them fresh. You could make the characters fresh by making new characters, but that ruins the whole point of Strive, right? Both the Strive character design and the older character designs have weaknesses and strengths, so I can't really blame you on preferring one style, but I think Strive just did it so much better by making the game easy to grasp for new players instead of maintaining the threatening aura the older games have, while still providing a satisfying end to some of the older characters. I'm currently trying to get into Xrd a little more, so my opinion might change over time. sorry for writing an essay again i was really bored lmao
@splumpblumpin479
5 ай бұрын
they should add Cleveland Brown Jr.
@Wiziliz
5 ай бұрын
I've been calling Roger the Alien being added to Strive for a while now, matter of time
@RavenGuiltyGear
5 ай бұрын
the main thing is that these characters have already participated in the plot, and well, it is also impossible to deny that the characters may change mechanics, like for example Johnny Redacted: Daisuke, you can add new characters as much as you want. RIGHT AFTER RAVEN!
@pneuxeirado
5 ай бұрын
I AGREE WITH YOU
@jaidenbaxter1871
5 ай бұрын
I mainly want returning characters that didn't do much or have much time to shine in earlier games, like I feel we got very little Answer in Xrd, they're in very few scenes in the story and we basically only have their gameplay, just that mild taste of answer was already interesting and I'd love to see more. Another example is Kum Haehyun who barely does anything in the rev 2 story and I really feel like we could have gotten more of them.
@RavenGuiltyGear
5 ай бұрын
@@jaidenbaxter1871 Adding a character does not always expand his story
@jaidenbaxter1871
5 ай бұрын
@psevdonimy_typo I'm aware, just somewhat disappointed by how little Answer and Haehyun we got. I like that they did for Elphelt and Testament for example, Elphelt is a bit more than *just* a hopeless romantic and it's nice to see Testament doing well after the shit they went through in previous games like being turned into a gear against their will and having their free will hijacked by justice and then having to entrust Dizzy who they swore to protect to some random pirates and later some French guy. They deserve that stroll.
@RavenGuiltyGear
5 ай бұрын
@@jaidenbaxter1871 A French guy? Who?
@masterninjamt6497
5 ай бұрын
"we have gekkosquirrel at home"
@lyutsy888
5 ай бұрын
this guy atleast talks about interesting topics while giving unique insights and sparking discussion instead of treating you like an alien thats visiting earth and wasting 40 mins of your life
@tof4440
5 ай бұрын
who?
@Wiziliz
5 ай бұрын
Christ dude, mean comment! Don't take it too seriously Rayn, this video was good, your stuff isn't awful.
@aidenmb7932
5 ай бұрын
Idk why, but i have a hunch that if we get any new characters, it's because of another story expansion. I also hope we can get more original characters but without a story to hook onto it can be hard to get attached. For example, if Happy chaos wasnt part of the story, sure he'd look intriguing and might be fun to play, but i wouldn't be invested. Im probably rambling, but thats just how i see it
@poetato3230
5 ай бұрын
yeah this is how i feel because like most of the characters i main also happen to be my favorites because of their story
@Youbuu2
5 ай бұрын
While baldhead IS a double up, Robo Ky and Order Sol certainly aren’t
@MorbyLol
4 ай бұрын
baldhead doesnt have item hes a completely different character trust
@tronixchl2004
5 ай бұрын
New character may be Another Jelly Fish pirate.... There's a whole fkn calendary of characters there, wouldnt mind seeing idfk, September beating the shit out of HC Also the league comparison doesnt work when EVERY NEW FKN CHARACTER HAS A 3 HIT PASSIVE
@Ramsey276one
5 ай бұрын
Vs Johnny: April? Who's piloting the ship?! "What matters now is May... AFTER I knock the obliviousness outta you!" Vs May: "Go ahead and vent, May. We'll talk after..." Talk about what? WHY YOU BEAT UP JOHNNY?!
@sunm0uth
5 ай бұрын
Well.. Dizzy is a Jelly Fish pirate
@hakunam.r.8880
5 ай бұрын
The reason why we prioritized wanting old characters coming back is because some of our mains are characters from the older games, though i have played Sol since XX so basically i have no worries for this. But my friend, since XX he has played Jam, we've been having the Sol vs Jam clash for years, even on Xrd we're still going on and on, but then Strive was released. My man is mainless and he doesn't have an actual main at this time since Jam isn't on the main roster, so he's like he's forced to play Ram until Jam eventually playable, which we didn't know when, but we're sure someday we can have the good ol' Sol v Jam fight again in Strive
@chaselowell4567
5 ай бұрын
Counterpoint. Old characters wildly reworked. Bedman is what I mean here. A character either has to be REALLY cool already or we can just rework the character. I wouldn’t say bedman has a fresh coat of paint. Watching old bedman footage is surreal to me as an xrd player and I barely can tell what’s going on.
@ratedr7845
5 ай бұрын
they're stripped down
@christhechilled
4 ай бұрын
100% agree! You know what the old heads say, “Old is Gold”
@shrimppimp4509
5 ай бұрын
The ryu and ken argument doesnt entirely work technically they are identical because ken is a bonus character that saves on development time, and in story they have the same teacher but thats not important, this is also in an age where fighting games werent figured out yet it is only recently where ken and ryu are now designed differently, the argument kinda falls face first when you think about every street fighter the only clone characters are ken and ryu and maybe yun/yang but not really.
@baalzamon6187
5 ай бұрын
At first I thought your complaint was simply "they're not adding enough new characters" and I thought it was kinda silly. But the idea you expanded it into, that this is because of the pressure from fans to add older characters and that this causes us to miss out on potentially amazing characters they could make is one I find very interesting. I wonder how they'll balance it out. I had the idea that by doing a back and forth thing they could sort of put fans on a clock. Say they set a pattern of one old character followed by one new character. That way after a older character is added fans know to expect a new character and are excited for that, taking pressure to old characters off of the devs for a time.
@Raynfgc
5 ай бұрын
100% it's also not necessarily a bad thing to add old characters back either, arcsys isnt lazy with it, elphelt is a complete reimagining of the character. but cycling through the same characters opposed to adding new potentially even greater characters is a balance arcsys has to juggle and I feel it is a bit too heavy on the 'old character' side atm imo :D
@Wiziliz
5 ай бұрын
To me like, even though I don't like Third Strike as much as Super Turbo, I have massive respect for its roster, using the opportunity of a fresh style of game to come up with new characters. If Strive was less Sin, Baiken, Bridget, Chipp, and more Goldlewis, Happy Chaos, Asuka, etc., I think it'd be a much more interesting game.
@yossifelkhalifa3998
5 ай бұрын
I’m fine with a new character as long as this next dlc is aba
@bembjaminbrosenglek1163
4 ай бұрын
ayyyyy
@Sleeper_6875
5 ай бұрын
Characters I’m most hoping for are Izuna, Gabriel, and Answer. Izuna is probably very unlikely but a girl can hope
@Arunnejiro
5 ай бұрын
I'm with you on izuna, he's very interesting, but gabriel despite supposedly being powerful, has a very boring character design.
@meh4294
5 ай бұрын
Answer got so much swag ,wish he gets in strive
@HellecticMojo
5 ай бұрын
@@Arunnejiroboring is relative anyway. One of the most popular characters is just a guy in a suit that punches hard or a guy in a coat that slashes fast.
@bloodysquallofficial3724
4 ай бұрын
I’m all for Zappa, Answer and Venom, i main Venom (his weapon and playstyle are peak), Zappa is way too well written and unique to exclude, and Answer is that guy
@peternagy92
5 ай бұрын
Guilty gear has this very specific problem where every character is so unique that without them the game feels incomplete. Strive has the biggest roster in this franchise, but it still feels like it's missing so many important characters. Even if we get like two more seasons of dlc, there would be still missing characters. There are two ways to mitigate this problem. One is keeping older titles, and with it older characters playable and accessable (this is already done). The other is using new characters to add the IDEA of an old one (like Happy Chaos with a similar gameplay to XRD Elphelt). They are not perfect solutions, but thats the best they can do.
@alejandrogomez1698
5 ай бұрын
I love when old characters come back with different designs, like Beidget and Elphelt, and even with different moves. I think that this is a good middle ground between bringing back old characters and letting arcsystemworks cook.
@JELIFISH19
5 ай бұрын
I think the problem is that you're comparing a fighting game to a MOBA. LoL only adds characters because there's only 1 LoL. There's no LoL that's completely reworked from the ground up with different mechanics like a fighting games. If they made LoL2 with only a few returning characters and a bunch of new ones, I'm sure people would ask for the old ones back. New characters aren't always better than old ones. If Gio isn't in the next GG, I don't think anyone would care. New characters often don't catch on. Fighting game players tend to be character specialists. They'll play one character for many years. They become more attached to characters than other genres.
@poetato3230
5 ай бұрын
the only thing i didn't really agree with is claiming robo-ky and order sol as basically repeats of other characters because in accent core neither of them really play anything like the characters they are/are based on (also baldhead is never coming back obviously). that being said i would love to see completely new characters in addition to returning characters i think there's a balance but arcsys just didn't quite hit the balance
@albertotexinsilvamartinez3307
5 ай бұрын
The reason why i got interestwd in guilty gear was because of the strange, unique, bizarre or beautiful design of the characters (such as Bedman, I-no and Millia), but then i really loved the game because of the mechanics, and the fact that every characters feels so diferent from each other, and have their own, distinctive, unique playstyle, mechanics and game feel. And also i freaking love the ost and many of the songs
@dellconagher8599
5 ай бұрын
Strive was my first guilty gear game, and the first fighting game I really got into. So im in kinda both sides, yea I want to see new amazing characters with wacky mechanics, but on the other hand I've also seen many other characters that I've yet to play which I would love to play in strive. I think arc could go both ways, in order to appeal to the old and new audiences.
@zinogama5084
5 ай бұрын
I personally think that it is absolutely fine if arcsys brings more new characters in the game, Afterall the first character I wanted to main was Asuka and I hope that arcsys will someday find a good balance between releasing a new character and bringing back an old character
@Arunnejiro
5 ай бұрын
I agree. A huge issue with this video is that you didn't add the voting results for characters. A lot of people want order sol and robo ky. These two characters are essentially doubles/ re skins of other characters and it would be a huge waste to add either of them. While I understand ro bo ky has some unique moves and characteristics it still wouldn't be good enough. Also the amount of people wanting a guest character is absurd. Guilty gear allready has better designed characters than most other games, it would be better to get a guilty gear character that we haven't had the chance to play as. I would much rather see one of the characters from the lore that I have never heard of before. For example the lizardman who is a wizard, Dr. Paradigm, or Izuna. A bunch of other choices they gave you from the lore on the voting thing, but I've never heard of before.
@desperado3347
5 ай бұрын
calling hos/robo-ky reskins is a pretty horrible take, theyre both very, very different in terms of gameplay and robo-ky is also very distinct in the story
@e_wok1487
5 ай бұрын
I think just a mix of both is good, but I feel like the main reason old characters get rehashed is that's what people know what to ask for, people don't know if they'll like a new character so they don't want to ask for it. Like every other DLC character being new would be cool. I definitely get what you mean with buying Bridget for the 5th time in the future tho, moving forward they should do their best to make the base roster as robust as possible so they can add new and exciting DLC characters. Hopefully we can make them enough money with strive for their next game to be the GOAT
@danielskovbjerg4562
5 ай бұрын
The next chapter of guilty gear lore gotta come with a bunch of new characters. Like look at all the old characters whose stories are just done, or provide limited story potential. Sin, Faust, Sol, Ky, Baiken, Asuka, Jack-O, Axl, I-no and all the valentine's. So much of the "important" cast, are in a really calm, end-state, where you can't do much with them, without undoing parts of their story. Strive will properly continue being a shadow to the whole franchise, but the next game needs to step out and bring in a lot more new blood, and focus more on underdeveloped characters (you know Giovanna will play a much bigger role. The fans like and "like" her too much for her to remain on the sidelines)
@tr4sh097
5 ай бұрын
Personally, I feel they should do a 50/50 with the next seasons. 2 old characters and 2 new characters would please old players and possibly bring in new ones
@Raynfgc
5 ай бұрын
100% I feel this would help out a lot
@Bloxman12boo
5 ай бұрын
There's no way this guy said "Like Aba -GYYYYATTT!"😭😭😭
@manuellopez2007
5 ай бұрын
They have roughly 20% of the cast being new characters. I think that’s good. The fact that this is the first game that that’s crossed over into serious territory from the gg series it would be unfair to Jam n venom Slayer if they didn’t make the cut being it they carried the franchise in some ways. I’d say if they could get above 20% new characters like 25 that’d be cool. They’re all kinda new tho cuz nobody really plays the same
@S_Boomer98
5 ай бұрын
On one hand, I get the point you're making. However, I think Strive strikes a good balance overall, especially based on how different it is from previous games. One thing I love is how the older characters have also been reworked to not only fit the new systems, but that it's also connected to their development throughout the series. However one feels about it, they are going to show you that they are not the same as they once were. I think that is something to be considered.
@yurisbest2892
5 ай бұрын
When they adding president Vernon, want to be able to beat chaos has him for an alternate take on the strive storyline
@nekopath2879
5 ай бұрын
they are doing 1 new charackter per season. That was a good idea because they could bring back all the fan favorits this way but they should shwitch to 2 per season from now on
@elizabethhenrichsen7121
4 ай бұрын
That’s true, they are great at making new characters but they are also great at expanding on their old ones. Arcsys isn’t just adding characters because people want them, some are added to show them how far they’ve come. A great example is testament, his new design shows that he’s changed into a better person and actually trusts people now, so I say keep adding older characters, fleshes them out a lot
@elizabethhenrichsen7121
4 ай бұрын
My bad I just realized testament is they/them, my fault
@basedlegionnaire148
5 ай бұрын
It’d be so sick though if season 4 was just all new characters like Vernon, Gabriel, Robo May, and maybe even a never seen before character that could spice up the story.
@HerMajestyVelvet
5 ай бұрын
I think they could make new Strive characters work as long as they can fit them in to the larger universe At this point there isn’t a ton of old charvaters I really want in strive, Robo Ky, Leopalden, Slayer, and Cliff are the main ones I want and tbh even without them I got almost everyone elseI wanted with Bridget Baiken Testament and Elphelt I’m super down for a totally original character since this series very rearely misses with its characters, especially with Strive
@kriek9222
5 ай бұрын
One of the first things i noticed about strive is that if you take the silhouette of every character in the game and line them up, 10 out of 10 times theyre all distinct and recognizable from one another. Thats good character design.
@froid7
5 ай бұрын
fisrtly for the new character it's either venom or raven in my opinion, it should be obvious y I think it would be venom base on the silhouette, and raven because of the colours next to it (a bluish green, and red), for the actual message of the video, I truly believe as the first rlly main stream gg game, the roster is def gonna be a love letter for all the fans up until down for the rest of it's longevity, even new characters like asuka and happy chaos r fanfavourites to join the playable roster of characters, so I'm not too worked up about not having new characters because daisuke prob just wants to rep all the ogs before moving on with the franchise, a similiar thing also happened with sf.
@El_pepe_Juano_Perez
5 ай бұрын
Something I saw is that some of the new characters added to the game have similar gameplay to other old ones. Jam is similar to Gio and Azuka to dizzy, for example.
@ailurok7355
5 ай бұрын
I think they can add new characters after I get slayer. but being real, the main issue I think is that they just don't add characters who aren't already in the story. This leaves very few characters who are brand new that can be added such as Gabriel or Daryl (and daryl is the driest character ever so I don't want him). Maybe they will later but I still think we are likely to see more old faces than new ones. I'm still kinda conflicted, like I said I really want slayer and seeing other ones would be cool but I do agree that we need more new characters
@SushiDaddy
5 ай бұрын
They should keep doing what they're already doing: adding 1 new character every season and at least 3 returning favorites. That would please everybody.
@thatonepyronoob
5 ай бұрын
I don't think the League example really works here, because League characters don't have a whole lot of dedicated mechanics to themselves beyond their handful of abilities. Guilty Gear is a fighting game, a fighting game with very unique characters, like you said. A good example is Venom. There is not a single character in any game ever besides Guilty Gear that quite scratches the itch Venom does. So the options are add Venom back, make a new character that's just Venom 2.0, or don't have Venom's unique mechanics represented in a game. And I think it's fine if characters are allowed to sit games out, I won't particularly be hurt if Kliff, for example, doesn't show up in Strive. But making new characters solely to make new characters isn't quite the answer either, in my opinion. I think Arcsys has done a good job balancing the old with the new in Strive so far. Bringing back Testament, Bridget, and Anji was really cool, and I hope more characters who weren't in XRD come back, and so far there has been a new character in every season pass, so if the pattern holds, we'll get a new one soon.
@Raynfgc
5 ай бұрын
yeah it's not specifically the league champs themselves, moreso their most popular characters were ones added later in the game (not talking about mechanics) fighting game characters are insanely hard to make and 100% on your venom point, which is why a lot of people want old characters back because guilty gear does create very unique and interesting characters, but if they stick to their 40 or so unique characters and keep rereleasing them from game to game the cycle continues, and you gotta think of the characters you are missing out on, for example happy chaos took the elphelt mechanic from xrd and expanded upon it and created a brand new character from that but then remade elphelt completely different, its just a balancing act of bringing back great characters that filled that unique niche and creating new lovable characters as well! :D
@sodamustdie4372
5 ай бұрын
I agree and disagree. I would love to see Arcsys make a new character! Their ideas are just insane; and I want more characters like HC, Asuka, Goldlewis. But I would say, I'll be totally fine if they kept adding older characters, because they make the older characters feel new.... Both design and gameplay wise. Strive takes older gg characters, and progress their story. I'm SO HAPPY Bridget's story has concluded; I'm glad she's happy, same with Testament. Feels great to see both Sol and Ky have an influence on Sin Bedman's transformation is so sad, but extremely interesting....etc. Honestly, Guilty Gear has an edge against Lol for this reason. Lol characters never get chance to grow. They're stuck in story limbo.
@cosmicdrinker
5 ай бұрын
3:45 LMFAO nah, ain't no way this game is going to keep going past season 4
@reillocb
5 ай бұрын
I think another thing us oldheads aren't thinking about is how they'd adapt old characters. I sub'd bridget in XX but strive bridget just doesn't scratch the same itch at ALL she's just not even the same playstyle. I mained Zappa, and i'm honestly afraid of how they'd change him in strive to the point that I wouldn't love him anymore. It wasn't until asuka came out that I felt i truly had a main in strive, and he's a new character with a new take on randomness and knowledge checks that I can really vibe with. We can always just boot up XX on steam if we want, i'd rather see new characters for a new age
@ScoutOW2
3 ай бұрын
To be honest, i think the reason why the new ones feel so well thought and put together, with so much unique gameplay is because they didnt spend all the time on designing 20+ new characters. If they kept pumping out new ideas, eventually the ideas will start becoming mediocre or lean towards the ryu/ken situation. Plus i feel like Guilty Gear franchise in general, every character feels like their own entire new type of game. If you main a specific character, theres a chance you wont enjoy the game until its got your main again, because of how different a game becomes without your main. Ya know, i dont think Donkey Kong fans will be happy with "lol just play Mario then". And this is coming from someone whos never played a GG game before Strive! So all characters are new characters to me xP
@pigeonwizard7453
4 ай бұрын
Bed man is a double up but isn't at the same time since now it's actually just bed
@lastburning
5 ай бұрын
Characters are functions and the new versions of old characters function differently. So are they even the same characters? Also, if there exists a function like Slayer that has interesting gameplay (dandy step) it makes sense to want that gameplay in the game.
@blujay1294
5 ай бұрын
I think a lot of games these days, especially live service ones, suffer from overbloat with characters. Smash can get away with it due to it's simplicity, but league of legends, r6, tekken, all these games have dozens of possible matchups, all with potentially multiple layers of knowledge checks. They do absolutely need to keep new blood in to match new players, but they also need to retain the core, passionate audience, if I have to sit by and just, not have the one character I mesh with gameplay wise, or connect with personally, potentially for multiple games, that's miserable, especially if I was a diehard fan. It's definitely a hard scale to balance, but ultimately I'd lean towards more refined, smaller casts, with potentially some more originals. If it was me? I'd have my middle dlc be my returning characters, try and make it 50/50 for season passes, and keep the originals roster ratio; especially if they are dropping not around holidays/bonus periods, in order to add that extra nostalgia fuel to sales, and drop the OCs around holidays when people have time and money to spend, or the start/end of season passes, either to ride the hype of a new season, or to be a safe drop, with most sales secured, and the hype/events dying down for that season as it winds down to the end, and they buckle down for the next. They've said they wanted 5-7 years for this game, so that still leaves us with a solid 3 years most likely, even if the latter with likely be alongside it's successor.
@2centstudios
5 ай бұрын
I mean, it's always about balancing these two things out. It's like opening a brand new restaurant in a new location with the same brand name. The brand name alone is going to have people who are familiar with it take a look, but all your regular customers who look forward to the menu they know now have to pretty much hope you have something they like with what'll feel like no reason for the change. The goal is to have enough on the menu that you know will sell from previous experience, while introducing new things at a rate that won't threaten sustainability if they fail.
@angelo6846
5 ай бұрын
I think that new characters are important to the identy of the game. Most of the launch roster should focus on well liked characters/archetypes though. I think a good balance is at least one new character each season to keep the franchise fresh. Also I wanted to point out that robo ky and order sol are not double ups, they have completely unique mechanics, movesets, animations etc.
@nonmagicalwitch
5 ай бұрын
The thing about me being new to Guilty Gear is that every character feels new. I think A.b.A.s design is sick and I'd love to see a modern approach to her, however, I wouldn't mind if ASU just cooked up a completely new character. Buut, Strives new chars are all story chars, and I don't know if we could get anyone new there. Maybe the president or Goldlewis' asisstant, but that feels a bit unlikely.
@midtierjesus
4 ай бұрын
Ngl idm what they do. I haven't played much of the older gg games so I don't know how the characters played, I do like to see them come back in this modern instalment of gg. On the other hand though another new character would be hype. I just want venom and slayer rn
@jimbova5135
5 ай бұрын
The analogy from league of legends is a far stretch. Making a character in a game takes a long time and making new characters takes a whole lot more planning. Don't get me wrong, i love new characters as much as the next guy, but i think importing old characters into strive with new movesets and new designs is a lot more fitting considering that new characters would be so vague without having a story behind them. The only way i could see them adding a new character is with a new story dlc and thats not coming in the next forseeable future.
@svgaming263
4 ай бұрын
I agree however they just aren't in a position where they have new characters to add right now. All of the new characters in Guilty Gear Strive where first introduced in it's story mode but almost all of the new characters from there have already been taken.
@Eret_Dashlie
5 ай бұрын
We need Playable Aria/Universal Will
@saxtonnova
5 ай бұрын
I think the pace they are going is actually okay because guilty gear already has many unique characters. I also think they shpuld be sticking to the 1 newcomer per season because: 1)I am still waiting for venom and there are other players that main different characters that are not in this game newcomers would delay their release and frustrate the older side of the playerbase. 2)Imagine that they added every single character from accent core to xrd rev2 that would still make a fair amount of characters to play this is not tekken they cant casually handle and balance 50 characters newcomers are naturally being new and introducing different mechanics by nature are difficult to balance since they need to introduce something new they cant be all that simple too, look at HC GL Asuka and Nago none of these characters are easy to play they are not exactly on the lower side of a tierlist i'd make either.(I didnt add gio because she was basically made to be easier since she was released on ggst release.)
@Joy_inc
5 ай бұрын
to be fair i only joined becuase of bridget and imideatly fell in love with ky, but i dont know how much my personal experince matters
@Fitsz
5 ай бұрын
same here (except the ky part)
@greenarchetype
4 ай бұрын
There are also a couple of story characters that were never playable. So they could definetly go for them. Lot of people wanna see Gabriel or the President for example and I also think they could do some interesting things with Ariels and so on. I do like returning characters but there is no harm in mixing things up
@tragedy2033
5 ай бұрын
5:27 i think we should let ark sys cook
@youngjames4067
3 ай бұрын
I was actually thinking about this the other day no way. I love the returning characters but i loveeee the new comers so much. i wanna see them go further into that creativity bag again. I wouldn’t be such a massive fan if it werent for getting my hands on the beta that summer and giving giovanna a try
@Zeruel
5 ай бұрын
You say it like they are literally porting characters 1:1. Also most new players don't even know these charaters from xrd or +r so their is no difference for them in Asuka or Testament. Even people who may have played xrd may not even go far back enough to know Testament (not like not knowing their name but actually playing the game). You also must consider that some people had time to love their old characters and it's understandable that they want them back (with new graphics, mechanics and so on). I play Asuka btw, but still waiting for Zappa. So I am not in the "old guys always better" group either. One out of five characters being new is good enough for me personally.
@lobotomisedsalamander4158
5 ай бұрын
Honestly the only reason i want venom is because i like the intricate gameplay and looking at at the new characters as long as they keep doing cgimmicks well i wouldn't be mad to have someone new
@Froggykin
5 ай бұрын
I agree but as a new guilty gear fan who joined into the series with strive I enjoy seeing old characters ive never seen before join into the new game. I do agree with your side tho they should def create more unique characters cause DAMN they do a great job.
@snootdroops6428
4 ай бұрын
2:54 they got that right and i love it ngl
@pian-0g445
4 ай бұрын
An interesting thing with strive is how different it is from its previous entries. It still has aspects of guilty gear but it’s definitely the furthest it’s gone in terms of game design. So this means even returning characters feel new, and may even look new. You can’t play 1 to 1 sol from +r to Xrd but you can’t still get a grasp of basic things to do, but sol in strive is different enough, you can’t really do that. I play Ky in all guilty gear games, but whenever I go from +r or Xrd to strive, it always takes a few mins to get back into groove. So while there are retuning characters, they play like new ones. But at the same time, the new characters are just good. Goldlewis, Gio, Happy Chaos, Asuka, Nago. Design wise and gemplah wise. Gio is the least ‘guilty gear’ character with how simple she is, but I don’t think that’s a bad thing. And then you get Goldlewis and Asuka who are probably the most ‘guilty gear’ characters in strive.
@Solfonix
4 ай бұрын
I’m fine if the dlc doesn’t add many new characters but new GG games should have a hefty roster of new characters out the gate. Seeing a new character in strive dlc would be awesome though.
@tof4440
5 ай бұрын
after aba they can add whatever new character they want :D
@user-dx1lx6vf4n
4 ай бұрын
You’ve stated the reason why you don’t already. They have a massive preexisting roster of characters people genuinely love and enjoy with their own uniqueness to them. Guilty Gear doesn’t NEED that many new characters. I also feel the comparison to league of legends is a poor one. A) characters in league aren’t nearly as complex as guilty gears. B) these games are vastly different franchises. A 1v1 fighter doesn’t need nearly as many characters as a 5v5 moba and C) The immense character roster is one of the main reasons I could never see myself getting into Moba’s. It’s simply too much. If I were a new player coming to guilty gear having to learn 150 characters’ moves and general playstyle on the fly I don’t see myself sticking around for it.
@thunder1152
5 ай бұрын
I said since day 1 make Gabriel a speed grappler
@ness77777
5 ай бұрын
Honestly despite being in the series plot, I'd consider chaos and asuka "new" characters. If this is going to be Daisuke's last gear, I'd prefer it if more old characters got new coats of paint than completely new characters.
@SgtFrogger
5 ай бұрын
They should add Elphelt Valentine but again
@christhechilled
4 ай бұрын
5:22 to be fair, not making Happy Chaos a playable character would be a missed opportunity. 😂
@mrweeper5379
5 ай бұрын
I think it might be dizzy for a few reasons. Number 1 is the two line colors on the silhouette. One is red while the other is green. I think this is to represent the two wings that dizzy have. Number 2 has to be the silhouette it self. Cause the last time if I’m correct was happy chaos. So who in guilty gear is strong or compare to happy chaos, is dizzy due to the scale of Juno’s. Lastly number 3 is the new map with this unknown character. Dizzy map from the first boss arena back from her first appearance would make the most sense then anything else. (Thank you for reading this rambling mess)
@Sketchchess07
5 ай бұрын
the other thing arcsys is good at is giving beloved characters fresh coats of paint and new moveset (see: Ramlethal, Jacko, Sin, Testament, Bedman, Johnny, Elphelt) and tbh league characters often feel like they lack identity (vayne main, ew) but there’s always the problem with same face syndrome, and how there are only like 2 dozen league characters that actually feel like they have unique, character-defining mechanics. (and I’ll fully admit that, being a Taliyah one-trick) but comparing Guilty Gear to LoL is apples to oranges
@tgaruwu1405
5 ай бұрын
Delilah is also a new character, made bedman really different
@MrDuckyWucky
5 ай бұрын
If they make the new character Erica Bartholomew or I'm just realizing Daryl has a good fit for the silhouette. Guys mark my words I think it's Daryl.
@matheuszache7943
5 ай бұрын
I think the main issue is that Strive launched with too few characters. Arcsys is racing against time and player's interest to give the game a proper roster size imo. Like, almost three years later we don't even have 30 characters. This sucks tbh. Especially considering that SF6 shipped with 18 char but a shit ton of modes and a robust online. Strive has a small road-map (four characters per year) like Tekken and SF6 but no additional content outside of the characters themselves and some arcade mode dialogue. They're running short, and bringing fan-favorites it's their way of keeping people engaged I guess. If that wasn't the case we'd probably see more original ones. Tekken and Mortal Kombat are the only AAA fgs that ship with a decent amount of base roster (23 to 30-ish). And even then, Tekken let Bob and Eddy outside of launch, whilst Ed Boon is being harassed day and night over X character who didn't make the cut this time around in MK.
@ARAK_46
5 ай бұрын
I get the wanting new caracters thing but, in my opinion, the league and guilty gear comparison is a little bit off, League has been running the same software and hardware for those 25 years, Strive has 15 predecesors, and in this game, like, half the roster has either completely changed or has new and improved mechanics, not to mention guilty gear had to change their art style like 3 times! In regards to prefering new characters or old repackaged ones, I honestly dont care tho.
@EddyGoatBoy
4 ай бұрын
I feel league and ggst's character roster isn't a great comparison, but I do agree that new characters would breathe life into the game. And in that same breathe, yes please *please* add ABA.
@larrywoolfolk8224
5 ай бұрын
I'm not gonna sugarcoat it, but it sounds like you just want Rev2, which kinda showed us the exact opposite of the problem you're describing. The first point you made is basically what puts strive up there when it comes to anime fighters is that roster balance and strive does it. Even the returning characters might as well be new characters, fresh coat of paint really undersells how much Strive set itself apart not only from its past games but other anime fighters in general. Old or new characters, they are definitely cooking with every release.
@meh4294
5 ай бұрын
I wonder why they still release new characters as dlc ,if they still do that why not make the game 10 dollars with dlc? ,60$+other dlcs will make a newcomer pay like 100$ dollars if not more,like i was surprised that jack-o is a dlc
@joe476
5 ай бұрын
I really dont believe that this is an issue. I get what you mean, but I feel every old character they’ve added to strive has had something genuinely interesting and unique from their previous version which means gameplay wise that strive has a bunch of new characters.
@tornadohandsmcgee2082
5 ай бұрын
I want Valentine mainly but also they had some other great characters from Overture. Sorry they got a lot of old great characters. also they got to keep finding more music references for new characters.
@moley249
5 ай бұрын
i finally found one of the 3 valentine enjoyers who also want her in strive
@fadedkz2904
5 ай бұрын
Realistically tho, no new character gonna be cooler than answer or jam or raven
@thgrimreaper9341
5 ай бұрын
an issue with readding old characters (which we can see in elphelt and a little bit in johnny) is sometimes their playstyle doesn't necessarily work that well in the context of strive however making significant changes to how a character plays can have a negative impact because they're simply different from what people expected imho this is most obvious with elphelt since she just feels like i-no but dumbed down, and it didnt really feel like arcsys had a solid idea of what they wanted with the character
@shinygekkouga52
5 ай бұрын
There are multiple instances of veteran characters I like more in older games compared to Strive. Can’t happen with new characters though!
@mr_trollmaster_7
4 ай бұрын
This is a good opportunity for Gabriel to be playable. He would be so cool moveset wise because he has battled with Slayer on occasion and it would be nice to have reference the battles he has done in the past with the military of Zepp
@carrying13
5 ай бұрын
I agree with that even asuka and happy chaos were technically in the other games they just weren't playable.
@Shapermc
5 ай бұрын
I mean, most character decisions are related to the story, which you never mention. The LoL comparison is pretty weird because A) It's still the only release of the game, there's no LoL2. And B) Riot has absolutely revamped old characters and had them take the place of "release" characters. Many of the original cast has seen multiple full revamps.
@blujay1294
5 ай бұрын
Rev 2 is on sale..... guess I'm getting Slayer one way or another..... LMFAO
@lucasyeung5404
4 ай бұрын
The Millia’s soundtrack is what got me in and oh my all of them are masterpieces
@chrismansley7488
5 ай бұрын
hard to say really alot of cool old ones that maybe should have released with launch with only new ones left to add
@dado_the_dodo1558
5 ай бұрын
As long as they add Slayer they can then come with new designs after that
@CervantesPR1
4 ай бұрын
ryu and ken are pretty different know since SFV and on SF6 its even more aparent
@prairietan
5 ай бұрын
Happy chaos is Bedman. Your welcome.
@wiki-dg3fc
2 ай бұрын
Strive’s percentage of new characters is actually pretty high for a fighting game
@a.person1805
4 ай бұрын
Every character reveal, I always hope for the Secret Service. They played a pretty nice role in the story and I'd love to see that adapted to gameplay. I know speaking of making people aware of the game, I would not have picked up fighting games if I hadn't had Goldlewis. The thing putting me off of fighting games was having to memorize all the motion inputs, but Goldlewis just letting me push the joystick the way I want the coffin to go let me not focus on that, and instead learn awesome fighting game fundamentals. More new characters is more of a chance to find something someone really likes!
@mallow2429
5 ай бұрын
Tbh ur right they should focus more on new characters, but they still shouldn’t stop adding old ones
@oblisk7778
4 ай бұрын
The problem with this is the lore. Don't get me wrong, the lore is phenomenal. But Daisuke cares a lot about his continuity and upkeep of the context of why certain characters are in a game at launch and why some aren't. To add a brand new character to the game would require them to add more lore to a game convoluted with it already. With Goldlewis, Gio and Nago being exceptions, Asuka and Happy aren't even technically new, with both of them being teased for years (Happy since Xrd and Asuka since the very first game). Making brand new characters, then trying to fit them into a series as DLC that has been going on for over 25 years is hard. Who would've thought? In my own opinion, I see this as such a non-issue. I don't think I've seen a single person online complain (except you of course) that Strive needs more brand new characters. Veterans don't care as long as their favorite character gets in, that's where the catering lies. Regardless, everyone is entitled to their own opinion and this video is no different. Interesting take. Nice vid.
@TuMa0707
5 ай бұрын
You argue with League examples are really strange 'cause league is one game and it have no characters to take from older game, its just league, all heroes there are original, but guilty gear is a franchise with more then 1 game, If guilty gear strive didnt come and arcs contuied to develpe xrd there would be more new characters for sure
@Raynfgc
5 ай бұрын
I get that, I think it was moreso to highlight the fact that a lot of the most popular characters came later in the games lifespan, if they kept reworking the same 40 champs wouldn't of been as popular, but if arcsys keeps the trend of adding old characters back the new game will have half of the strive roster, 2 new characters and then some older ones, if they stuck on xrd yea they would have loads of new characters probably but since their model is make a new game every 5 or so years the cycle will continue
@Shadowbuster-if7ui
5 ай бұрын
@@Raynfgc I think their card game, legends of runeterra is a better example. They only added the first original champion after 2 years(norra). Until then the champions were just characters ported from league. And as much as Norra, Poro king, Jack or Elder dragon they added are cool, I think people were more hyped about seeing their favorite champion show up and how would they play in a card game.
Пікірлер: 310