I’m just a KZitem sailor, but it seems to me you made the right decision for how you will use it. And future maintenance is always a consideration.
@theShamrockShepherdWagon
Жыл бұрын
I agree - there will be more resale demand for the way they set up this cat than is now. I think they made the right choices.
@braydend9582
Жыл бұрын
I’m just a KZitem future sailor current non-sailor and I support this message. It is always great seeing the thought that goes into future maintenance and taking everything into account.
@dougnorthcote3420
Жыл бұрын
Exact same. My research is watching all the stuff the Wynns and so many others go through. O'Kellys to Delos to etc etc
@ysesq
Жыл бұрын
nah
@tinawildoner7725
Жыл бұрын
Remember when you guys were moving onto a sailboat before you knew how to sail and fast forward today. Now, you are stepping up in performance. Tiny steps lead up to dream goals met. ❤
@johnnylightning1491
Жыл бұрын
I think you made the right decision on the dagger boards. You don't need any added complexity and failure points in your boat for what you do. I guess if it takes you another day to get somewhere it's a small price to pay for having to sit on the hard for months to fix a dagger board. It goes along with the KISS principle which in most things in life is a very good rule of thumb. Keep the good stuff coming guys and happy anniversary.
@JohnJohn-cu7nk
Жыл бұрын
More engine time ,so kinda defeats the purpose of a sailboat.Bad idea really😮
@AORD72
Жыл бұрын
Dagger boards are hardly complex.
@pioneer_1148
Жыл бұрын
That doesn't really make much sense. Avoiding dagger boards does avoid some complexity but not much and pretty much anything which will break a daggerboard will also either break or heavily damage a standard keel. Additionally, while HH boats while extremely impressive from an engineering standpoint they are definitely not KISS. They're more or less comfortable raceboats. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that as a boat, but as a cruiser they're terrible. Everything is hyper-digitalised, made out of carbon-fibre (which while an amazing material takes damage extremely poorly) and there is very little in terms of back ups. A lightning strike and/or collision with a container, whale or uncharted ground will make the boat extremely dangerous and will very possibly sink it. All these problems are present to some extent in all modern cat manufacturers and the way keels are built for almost all modern monohulls makes them extremely dangerous for cross-ocean sailing too (kraken is, to the best of my knowledge, the only manufacturer making boats with an integral keel). However, HH is a particularly bad offender, they build some of the least durable and worst suited boats for cursing and market them for that exact purpose.
@pauldegan8324
Жыл бұрын
Dagger boards are simple to fix with no need to haul out... Keels are way more ongoing maintenance and when damaged can be more expensive due to haulout costs
@tonytaynton8559
Жыл бұрын
For his 1983 challenge, Ben Lexcen revolutionised sailing yacht design with the creation of the winged keel. Described as 'upside down', the keel lowered drag, made the boat more stable and manoeuvrable, particularly in tacking. Cheers guys live your videos,Tony Brisbane Australia 🇦🇺
@jeromehebert3184
Жыл бұрын
Jason is just wanting to save money on going with these so that he can use the saved money to buy a dishwasher LOL
@gonewiththewynns
Жыл бұрын
😆😆😂 You figured it out!
@nemo227
Жыл бұрын
Dishwashers have saved a LOT of marriages. We've been married 57 years and started the first year with a dishwasher.😇
@lindapearson8137
Жыл бұрын
I no longer have a dishwasher after 60 years and now live in a hard water area. I have found I have to add bleach once in a while as my white dishes get a grudgy looking film! My neighbor and I feel like our dishes never look really clean, like with a dishwasher. Both of us are contemplating getting a small dishwasher like our neighbor has! Glad I had one once Covid hit!
@kinkong1961
Жыл бұрын
I dont blame him top loaders are expensive so I hope he finds one to fit the corner where they have chosen to fit one if she lets him have one which I think she has as the blowback from subscribers including me would be massive I am just wondering whether it is a mutual decision to go without daggerboards to me it makes sense to go without them I would do the same if I had a choice as dagger boards are expensive and you have more safety with the wiglets as it protects the rudder as they have said and it makes the boat stronger to boot so it's a win-win.
@Nickleg
Жыл бұрын
Shabara mine
@skohaya
Жыл бұрын
From your transition from RV to Cat Sailing to now designing a high performance Cat, meeting top designers and boat builders... You have become such experts. You can swim with the big fish now. 🐠. The science of boat speed is so mind boggling (engineering & physics). Love how they take the extreme strides and sneak them into a. Cruiser for improvements. So many decisions🥴 can't wait when you take off on the water. Blessings!
@lowellmccormick6991
Жыл бұрын
If you sail around the world with the trade winds, a dagger board would be in the up position most of the time and give no advantage. I think you made the right decision. I'm looking forward to a race against Parlay Revival. When winglets were introduced into the Americas Cup by Australia, it was a way to outwit the 12 meter rule. When the boat healed over, the winglets gave the boat a deeper draft than the boats without winglets, creating an advantage upwind. It was a brilliant move by the Aussies.
@pioneer_1148
Жыл бұрын
You're right that cruisers will have the daggerboards being in the up position most of the time. However, that doesn't mean they won't be providing an advantage. A dagger board in the up position produces almost no drag as opposed to a minikeel which, even with the best designs, will still produce quite a lot of drag. As for the winglets, to the best of my knowledge you are right about them being designed for and introduced on Australia II, however, the advantage doesn't have anything to do with outwitting rules or any particular length, it's simply a more efficient design for high speeds.
@Sommers234
Жыл бұрын
She's going to be a terrific boat. I'm surprised you were talking about your concern on light wind. From earlier videos, to my understanding this boat's going to do just fine compared to earlier boats.
@MikeScott41614
Жыл бұрын
Another wonderful feature of winglets is that they act like a shovel. So when the boat does run aground it digs in and anchors you to that spot so you don’t have to worry about going anywhere while you wait for a tow boat service to arrive and give them all your money!
@nichoth1
Жыл бұрын
Jason and Nikki, thanks for digging into the technical in a way that few other content producers do. You've kept the topic narrow, invited expert opinion, kept to to the idea that it is all personal preference and then added a nice dose of local color. The average viewer does not have the time or resources to go pick apart each of these topics to this extent. At the end of the day, despite all of the eco this's and thats, you've still got one of the most impressive pieces of plastic in the ocean, and you're not sanctimonious about it.
@betsyg9652
Жыл бұрын
We had a wing keel on our monohull. At anchor I noticed wonderful breezes coming through from the cockpit and thought - that's not right....we should be bow into the wind. Current and wind cause our anchor line to wrap around the wing keel. LOL. Another time in the Bahamas we ran aground in a remote area 3' from depth.....we sat firmly on our wing keel all night while the water drained out below our seacocks - never tipped and then as soon as we felt water lapping the hull we kedged and motored over to the depth. LOL! Fabulous lifestyle!
@BrianRhodes9763
Жыл бұрын
Great video, I was impressed that I actually understood 90% of what Eric was talking about especially the comparison of the winglet on the keel to the winglet on an aircraft. On an aircraft wing there is what's known as wing tip vortex (a swirling motion in the air as it travels off the end of the wing or wing tip), wing tip vortex creates more drag, more drag equals less speed. The keel acts the same way, it creates a vortex at the bottom of the keel, by adding the (horizontal) winglet, it prevents the water from rolling off the bottom of the keel and creating the vortex type flow with the water (I think that is called fluid dynamics, but I am not sure). Again fantastic video, and great choice in adding the winglet.
@shaneriehl223
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for covering this topic!! You made the perfect choice. You may or may not want to go faster (though I think you’ll go plenty fast), but I’ve never heard anyone wonder about whether they’d like to point better or more poorly. No one says, “ya know, for $5K, I just really would rather have worse VMG for all those years of sailing”. Very excited for you both!
@paulbuttner6808
Жыл бұрын
Happy Anniversary!! Interesting video with winglets and dagger boards. It’s amazing how far you have come in the sailing world, congratulations. Like they say the more information you can gather on a subject the better decisions can be made. Enjoy your time in Thailand and see you in two weeks.
@dennisash7221
Жыл бұрын
Happy Anniversary guys. Fun fact, in Auckland harbor there is an Americas Cup monohull that was the one which won, it's now a monument, the secret sauce was the use of a winglet. Next time you are there you can go and have a look at it on display there.
@TheSailingFamily
Жыл бұрын
"Kiwi Magic" lost, actually. USA's Catamaran, with daggerboards, easily defeated the behemoth Kiwi boat. :) Meanwhile, it was the Aussies that introduced a wing keel to the 1983 Cup that proved victorious over the Americans. Thanks to Morrelli & Melvin, it's great to see Cup technology trickling down to cruising boats though.
@pauldegan8324
Жыл бұрын
@@TheSailingFamily out of curiosity, i assume you would choose the dagger board option....?
@TheSailingFamily
Жыл бұрын
@@pauldegan8324 Maybe? I think this is a budget question, and at the moment I don't have the budget! But I am also from a racing background and I enjoy eking out every 0.1 knots from a boat. So yes, if I had the cash, why not!? :)
@robquimby4376
Жыл бұрын
For my 2cents, You guys are cruisers, as you mentioned, and if you find yourself solo in the middle of the night and a blow pops up, the dagger boards are one more thing to possibly get wrong/forget to adjust. Fixed was definitely the right choice.
@dontbanmebrodontbanme5403
Жыл бұрын
I'm living vicariously through you guys! I can't wait til we're sailing again! 😂😂😂
@BrianPetersen-l2w
Жыл бұрын
Excellente vido. I designed and built a 18' cat after high school (modeled after a photo of a 20' Tornado cat). I used my parents garage stud spacing for the hull bulkheads. Sailed it in Marina Del Rey and Mission Bay San Diego CA. I gained confidence in building anything in the future with this project. I went on to join the Peace Corps in Africa after taking a course in agricultural engineering.
@maverickmyrtlebeach
Жыл бұрын
I had a small 18 foot Buccaneer that I restored . The center board was fiberglass and broke off do to adding more sail area. I tried a wood CB with lead inserted 8 lbs circle glassed over it. I raced this little beast, but that also snapped in half. Then tried a full 1/2 inch Aluminum tapered shape 3 ft long. That worked but sailing in 15 to 25 knot wind it would shudder vibrate on a beam reach. Hiking out would clear that and you could feel counter force. Fast fun and my boys loved learning on that little beast. If you never sailed try a smaller daysail you may get hooked..
@alanw9677
Жыл бұрын
I got hooked sailing on an old 20’ Buccaneer with a long lead keel. Only 24” draft. And actually the rudder was a few inches longer. It would bump/drag first. Fortunately, with my inexperience I was sailing over either sand or mud on the west coast of Florida. Also, a plus to inexperience, so much weight below, if it heeled over too far it wouldn’t flip over before just turning into the wind and stopping. Had a blast learning on it.
@Cajundaddydave
Жыл бұрын
Good segment. As a long time cat racer with an appreciation for extreme M&M designs I think introspection is an important part of your board choice. Most of the boats I have owned had daggerboards for best windward VMG but every design is indeed a tradeoff. Knowing that this is your home, you are sailing around the world, and the type of sailing you do which is much more "set it and forget it" than continuously tuning and tweaking every minute to chase a 1/10th of a knot as if you were racing Transpac. I think you made exactly the right choice with winged mini-keels. A cruising reality is that 95% of your travel is/should be off the wind where boards don't matter and if conditions are unfavorable, simply wait for the wind to change. Beating to weather during a long passage might be a tad faster with curved daggerboards but it is still damn uncomfortable and best avoided althgether. Good call guys!
@pauldegan8324
Жыл бұрын
if this is the case then why drag these keels around 95% of the time...?
@Cajundaddydave
Жыл бұрын
@@pauldegan8324 They contribute very little to the Cd when off the wind, and simplicity during a long passage with a short-handed crew. Very different objectives than a race-rigged boat with full compliment of skilled sailors.
@pauldegan8324
Жыл бұрын
@@Cajundaddydave I feel trimming boards takes no time at all and it's no different to adjusting a leech line in a headsail or main.... what else is there to do out there...?
@ldirk58601
Жыл бұрын
Happy Anniversary! Enjoy your week and cant wait to see your upcoming trip!
@tjs0067
10 ай бұрын
Australia II won the America's Cup in 83 had the first Winged Keel seeing that keel started my love for sailing.
@LydieBaillie
Жыл бұрын
Those mini keels eliminate a maintenance item from the list(daggarboard systems ), which is always advantageous on a sailboat because there's always something to check .
@TheOceanBandits
Жыл бұрын
Happy Anniversary! I think you guys made the right decision with the winglets. So stoked to see you guys out on the water with that beast of a boat! Cheers!
@dennisbrown3652
Жыл бұрын
I agree with your decision . I don’t much about sailing but I feel you made the right decision. Sailing to me is not about speed but comfort and enjoyment and enjoying your time on the water. Why is everyone in a hurry. A few minutes doesn’t matter. Freeway mentality. I really watching you guys.
@timaz1066
Жыл бұрын
I’m just a full-time RVer here in a motorhome, but this process has been very interesting to watch. And there is a lot of correlation between boats and airplanes, which I am more familiar with. Thanks for the video.
@jasonfelice9573
Жыл бұрын
All the small details will make it a fantastic boat.
@keykeypr8292
Жыл бұрын
Happy Anniversary! I learned a lot from this video. As a non-sailor, I just assumed that catamaran == daggerboards needed. Really appreciated the interview/conversation with Eric, and the explanations by all of you.
@peterbodifee
Жыл бұрын
I have sailed various cats without dagger boards nor keels, and they did upwind pretty well. It largely depends on the shape of the hull.
@timtrinkaus7072
Жыл бұрын
You guys made the right decision going with the mini keels with winglets vs dagger boards based on all of the facts and how you use your boat I wouldn’t listen to the naysayers!
@xpatsteve
Жыл бұрын
Happy Anniversary! I agree with the mini-keels and winglets. I'm sure the boat will have all the performance you need (and more, probably) as live-aboard cruisers while keeping things simple.
@ballomni
Жыл бұрын
You made the correct decision, I have a monohull but with a wing keel 4 foot draft, the keel performs better than most fin keels, but let’s me get into places, that other boats cannot get into. Under speed it really improves the handling greatly, only downside is lobster pots. Never had a problem fishing catching lines.
@NYCROBCOM
Жыл бұрын
You can always go for a massage to get rid of all the stress - Enjoy your wonderful trip and thank you for the great videos
@gmonnig
Жыл бұрын
I have a winged keel on my monohull, which helps keep the draft under 4ft. It’s great for the lake sailing we do. I have hit a rock on the tip of the winglet. We had just pulled up anchor and slowly motored out of the cove (which was 8ft deep). The depth gauge flashed 3ft and then back to 8ft. In a matter of a second my brain was like, “wtf was that”. Then the boat stopped almost dead in its tracks. Luckily everyone was seated, including my wife that was on the bow cleaning the anchor locker up. Even on a 30yr old cruiser those wings are strong! Really no damage when hauled out. Just a small, sharp, wedge shape gash about 3/4” across. Unbelievable that the wing took a 4ton hit on such a small area to bring the boat to a stop.
@Lmarjorie1
Жыл бұрын
Good choice, and liked the decision process explanation shared.
@dermotcanniffe9941
Жыл бұрын
The islands in Phang Nga bay are beautiful, just don't go ashore on the nature preserve islands, e.g. "Monkey Island" . But otherwise, you could canoe through mangrove swamps, visit Kho Pingkan, Kho Phi Phi Don/Phi Phi Lei, there's spectacular reef diving there and in the Andaman sea. Cape Panwa and Chalong bay are absolutely beautiful, and the Giant Buddha is new since I was there but the views are spectacular. And stay clear of Patong - it's the one part that is super-touristy and a bit grubby.
@gride5153
6 ай бұрын
Based on your cruising requirements - I think you made a good decision. When I hear people rambling on about performance; I never really hear them talk much about WEAR AND TEAR. The harder you run most equipment, the more stress and wear you apply.
@divekatdreaming
Жыл бұрын
Nikki is right! I wanted to hear about the winglet at that point! Thanks, Nikki! Now that you have made your decision away from the dagger boards do you gain interior space where the dagger boards would have been? I know that wasn't a priority in the decision making process, but is there a cool bonus? Happy anniversary!!!
@geekazoid
Жыл бұрын
Having no knowledge at all about this subject before watching your videos (which have been IMMENSELY informative and interesting; I really enjoy the instructional aspect of your channel) I remember your original motivation to go performance and I think that your moderation of that with the mini keels over dagger boards seems a well considered choice.
@captainsensible298
Жыл бұрын
For someone who has sone a lot of miles in both, dagger boards on a performance cat allow up to 8 degrees better windward performance, reduced drag off the wind, increased control and stability at speed and greater safety in storm conditions. So, your boat, your choice, but those shallow hard to access spots, no longer on your menu.
@pauldegan8324
Жыл бұрын
correct
@curtisleblanc1880
Жыл бұрын
Happy Anniversary! Definately go to Koh Tao to go diving. It's so worth the journey!
@BenjaminHeyser
Жыл бұрын
I'm thinking winglets are not offered by most catamaran manufacturers due to lack of demand from consumers. In any product a good feature may not be commonly offered simply because nobody is asking for it, because they don't know the benefits. Then one or a few manufacturers start offering that feature to differentiate their product (like HH is doing here), and over time the benefits become more widely known. Then consumers start asking other manufacturers about the feature and eventually some will start offering it.
@tihomirrasperic
Жыл бұрын
and there is price, and when you think about winglets or better radar.... you know boat is like bottomless pit when you spend money
@BenjaminHeyser
Жыл бұрын
@@tihomirrasperic good point.
@bobgutgsell1009
Жыл бұрын
I think you made the best choice for what you are going to do with the boat. I had this discussion with people on a boat in SF Bay yesterday. No boat is perfect for everyone. As you said neither is a car. I say Great call.
@moz1953
Жыл бұрын
Cape Panwa is lovely guys, great ice cream / cakes at the Cafe Kantary and the Aquarium is lovely for $2 ! get there about 5pm and enjoy the great street food, there are no discos and girly bars there as it's a Muslim area and utterly delightful, stay well / travel safe xx
@sailingheretic
Жыл бұрын
Sorry guys, but I can think of two downsides to winglets on your mini-keels: -More wetted surface area means more profile drag -Higher likelihood of snagging seaweed and crab pots
@svshadyinvestment6647
Жыл бұрын
Love learning all about your new boat. Thank you, cheers!
@w5mav
Жыл бұрын
Happy Anniversary. Congratulations!
@charleshuguley9323
Жыл бұрын
For me the biggest advantage of daggerboards is the ability to sail upwind effectively. Without them a catamaran is pretty much limited to voyaging westward. Of course you might prefer not to sail upwind anyway.
@charlenehood6216
Жыл бұрын
Happy Anniversary!!! Our Anniversary is July 4th. Not sure what date yours is but, close enough! Love your videos and will always be a huge fan! May you live happily ever after!
@hardpass9855
Жыл бұрын
I’d absolutely agree your choice on this. It’s actually very smart in my opinion. The cost and downtime if you damaged a dagger board isn’t worth it!!! That alone would seal the deal!! 😂 Kudos for the deep dive into the pros and cons of it!! You probably saved a lot of future sailors/boat building a lot of leg work 🥂💞 HAPPY ANNIVERSARY 🥂
@sydshuler1941
Жыл бұрын
Eric,,is one of the nicest guys. I’m just saying I didn’t notice him saying wetted surface area great info!I looked at a few HH boats and met Gino and the crew in Charleston. Love what they are doing. They would not install a v-drive transmission for me so I went with a Balance 526,also I didn’t like the import tax into US. Enjoy your custom boat, great decision. 35 yrs ago I didn’t like fin keel boats I only liked full keels,,,and I was anti Catamaran for many years people change ,I did. What seems important to you now will change. Just reef early. I wish you the best of weather in crossings to come.
@waltervanderboor
Жыл бұрын
Going upwind the longest boat wins not necessarily the boat with daggerboards. You made the right choice in my opinion. For a couple to sail a boat where ease of use is a very important thing, especially during nights when your doing turns, you don’t wanna be adjustments with daggerboards on top off all the other lines etc. As for phuket obviously go see the big Buddha on the mountain. On the road there to there’s elephant rides through the jungle and 4x4 scooters for rent. There’s a sea aquarium in the south of Phuket and lots of places for shopping and dining out Al around the island. Pataya is a popular nightlife area many consider a must see… have fun!!
@WSallai
Жыл бұрын
What I enjoyed most about Phuket were the Elephants on the island. Don’t know how many remained/survived the tsunami of 2005. What you will find is infrastructure that is very new and modern as it was all replaced. The water is wonderful and the hotels have a swimming pool between it and the beach. The food is wonderful! The Bats flying around at night were fun to watch as they went about clearing the sky of mosquitoes and other winged insects. IMHO, Phuket is the best part of Thailand. Congratulations on your wedding anniversary.🎉❤
@tomriley5790
Жыл бұрын
I mean from my experience with dinghies having centreboards gives you the ability to go upwind when you want to and not to have draft when you want to and reduce draft when you want to (also I know people who slowly feel their way into sandy/muddy anchorages with their boards - knowing they can pull them up when they ground. So I would have gone with centreboards (if I had the money) but it's your money and your choice so go with what you want the suceptibility to damage would be the thing that really would concern me.
@bobbygriffith1429
Жыл бұрын
Y’all did what you knew was best for y’all! Great decision and great video! Happiest of Anniversaries to you both! 🎊🍾🎉
@Bill23799
Жыл бұрын
You left out one important advantage to having a Keel on your boat. If you have an insolent crewman who has insulted the Captain or the First officer you can always have him/her/they Keel Hauled.
@SkylinersYeti
Жыл бұрын
Enjoy your week off. We were camping with 14 other families over the 4th. I am so looking forward to seeing both of you on the water soon.
@moonovermiami9787
Жыл бұрын
Happy Anniversary, to the best sailing couple on the internet! And thank you very much for the detailed descriptions of equipment and sailing.
@rfdinesen4027
Жыл бұрын
Great choice. I totally agree. Have a great trip and a wonderful anniversary!
@KB_OMeara
Жыл бұрын
Good choice! Can’t wait to see this boat in the water!
@duanemiller5606
Жыл бұрын
Maintenance would be my number one concern as a cruiser. I’m not gonna necessarily be in someplace where I can readily get the complicated pieces for intricate parts of the boat. I certainly wouldn’t want to be sailing around the Caribbean and hit a reef and then I have to call up the company in China to say hey, please make me a new dagger board and ship it to me halfway around the world. With the mini keel its lift, the boat do a little fiberglass work and you’re back in the water and if it’s the winglet, you may not even care so you could wait till you can get someplace to get it fixed proper. So I agree with you I think you made the best choice and I especially like that the winglet gives you the better performance without giving up draft.
@pauldegan8324
Жыл бұрын
My opinion, for what it's worth ......I have a racing and cruising background.........I strongly disagree with the wing keel decision .... here's why... I agree 100% on no curved boards but....Straight center boards I think are similar price (let me know) and will give you many advantages and are super simple. Other than the obvious sailing performance advantage, the biggest is draught @ 3ft only as opposed to 5ft on the keels. This puts you back into mono territory. They will be a lot harder to keep growth off. Many cruisers would say they don't go upwind instead they wait for a weather window and sail downwind but these keels are very "draggy" reaching and running and are more of a trip hazard as well. Why drag these around 100% of the time, motoring included, when you can lift up a board..? Straight boards are easy to fix or replace if damaged while in the water and the boat is fine to sail on one. The wings will give you very little difference from the standard fixed keels... you will never actually notice the difference... and for the small advantage of end plate / buoyancy, there is a surface area / weight penalty. HH base everything around performance and I believe they have offered Mini keels as some buyers are very inexperienced and are likely to hit a reef at some point but you two are not and deserve efficiency....I'm pretty sure the MM designer would choose the boards as well...... I would also rather have boards if caught out in a gale for many reasons but that can be argued.... This reminds me a bit of the Parasailor spinnaker debate... they are 30% more expensive for less performance..... great marketing..... I love your boat choice and keep up the videos..... ditch the keels...IMHO
@bertmacdonald337
Жыл бұрын
Well done guys! You`ll love Thailand, or not. The people are beautiful, not so much in main tourist destinations and it can be a tad salacious at times ! You being you, I`m sure you`ll get out and about and see the real Thailand, sah wah dee khrap! 😎
@tomscott3939
Жыл бұрын
important info dagger boards will give you more performance options but the require more adjustments (work) cool video!!! i would choose the dagger boards you will pull them up going down wind (less drag) and most of the time you will sail down wind!! two great choices good luck i enjoy sailing and your videos!!
@pokerbob2277
Жыл бұрын
Nice choice! Can’t wait to see it sail
@deepdivedelight
Жыл бұрын
I love the wings! Absolutely, comfort and safety go first.
@vanessabryan786
Жыл бұрын
My one question with the winglet keels is can you dryout without damaging the rudders or winglets. It could save you a fortune in haul outs and you might not have to worry about getting stuck on a falling tide.
@gonewiththewynns
Жыл бұрын
They could do it without damage, but beaching a cat of that size is a questionable activity for lots of reasons. Tide heights constantly fluctuate - sometimes drastically depending on the time of year. If you beach on a higher high tide, you may not be able to get back off without a tow or without damaging the boat. You'll also be very limited in repair time, so hauling out may be a faster overall option. Curious Minion
@k5edd128
Жыл бұрын
Smiling! Happy Anniversary! Wife and I have an anniversary the 19th of July, suspect it's a few more years. 54 Always enjoy your videos. Watching you guys getting your dream boat, nice.
@carriejones8962
Жыл бұрын
Loving your vid’s, can’t wait to see this thing on the water. But two quick points.. Daggars can be fully retracted in a real bad situation (storm).. allows the boat to slide sideways, reducing the danger of “tripping”. Or when sailing hard in breeze you can retract your leeward board, keep the windward board down - and the result is similar. Less danger of tripping. We also like to use the retractable boards to feel our way around in shallow soft bottoms. If you run aground, retract the board, back off. Just a few quick points you didn’t discuss.
@pauldegan8324
Жыл бұрын
100% agree.... + less maintenance as no growth issues + shallower draught + damaged daggers are easy to fix without hauling out + nice performance advantage ...... But i would rather run onto a reef with mini keel.... . tradeoffs
@donaldbrown9437
Жыл бұрын
Good evaluation of the dagger board, etc.
@simoneconsciousobserver3105
Жыл бұрын
Happy Anniversary, Nikki and Jason. I, for one, love all the innuendos. When you were caulking in New Zealand was the best lol.
@dogaarmangil
Жыл бұрын
Wish you all the best with your new boat which seems to be shaping up quite nicely. <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="145">2:25</a> There is one language this type of guy understands, and it is not kindness unfortunately. (No, I'm kidding of course.)
@benwilliams174
Жыл бұрын
Beautiful nice so you getting a nrw boat nice lovely cant wait to see back on the water miss you guys ❤
@shanepeirce9251
Жыл бұрын
Happy anniversary the original winged keel was designed by an Australian for the Americans cup in the 80s sometime back well thanks for another amazing vlog and a big gday mate from Australia 🇦🇺 and cheers 🥂
@vonheise
Жыл бұрын
I, like most, am not an expert at much, but I know a little about a lot of things. I think you made the best compromise with your choice of boat and small keel with winglets. Assuming you plan to use this boat for a lot of years, the trade off of decent performance with lower initial and maintenance costs just makes more sense long term. (And you have electric thrust and plenty of power to drive it when the wind lets you down.)
@thill6771
Жыл бұрын
Enjoyed the interview/discussion with the designer. Thank you. Having made a few Pacific crossings, here are some comments on keels. Centerboards on ocean crossings are an unnecessary, serious, risk. Winged keels have additional wetted surface, hence slower. When, and it is WHEN, not IF, you run aground with a winged keel, you are well and truly aground . STUCK! Sooo, I think the boat with the plain keels is the bet way to go. As someone else commented, KISS.
@pauldegan8324
Жыл бұрын
please give an example of a dagger board creating a risk, damage or sinking on an ocean crossing you speak of....? The additional wetted surface area of the wings creates lift so after say 6 knots they are faster
@riccardofundament9295
Жыл бұрын
Daggerboards so much better....just bought a 60 foot cat with daggerboards....prior sailed a bunch on fixed keels....the difference is astronomical....even for cruisers ...my opinion based on actually sailing both...
@nkwill1
Жыл бұрын
Winglets can also add a small amount of stabilization, slightly reducing up and down motion of each hull.
@garyoneil8439
Жыл бұрын
Compared to your old boat #tugboat… you are winning. This will be a fast (enough) passage maker.
@EdwardTilley
Жыл бұрын
Great shot of dancing on the catamaran!
@fredbugden6935
Жыл бұрын
Good one guys , very informative.
@williamdykes2750
Жыл бұрын
Lots of solid discussion RE: dagger board for fixed keel with wings; so, I'm going to add my 2 cents worth. If it a choice between raising or lowering the dagger boards or putting down my beer to do so, I'm going with the fixed keels.
@burddog0792
Жыл бұрын
I just think it's really awesome that a performance manufacturer made a mid-40s cruiser which offers high performance keels; keeping the cost and complexity down while offering a tad more interior space. The HH52 is offered with straight fiberglass boards on the OC, which I think is a good option too for those who would wish. I think the HH44 is going to be a very popular, trendsetting boat. A similarly sized 44-45' Outremer (the '45' is actually 48 feet, which the new version will surely be around) would be 🤌😘.
@johnhickman9926
Жыл бұрын
Hi yes i miss you guys miss seeing you during the week days shows but have a nice time on your anniversary good luck 😅🎉😂
@BrianEbel
Жыл бұрын
So much for pointing high into the wind.
@kimyoung230
Жыл бұрын
Happy Anniversary! And interesting discussion! I’m curious (pun intended!) if you asked HH for polars of your boat with each of the three options, and maybe applied those to the expected percent of time you expect to sail up/beam/off wind? Intuitively, I’d expect that while the winglets may improve upwind performance, I would have expected some net drag with them going downwind.
@JheregJAB
Жыл бұрын
Downwind, there is only net drag if they are going slow enough (or are heavy enough) that the winglet doesn't provide enough lift. When the winglet lifts the boat up, the wetted surface gets reduced and therefore reduces drag. Additionally, the losses from the wingtip vortex on the keel also needs to be considered when sailing anything but directly downwind. Even a small amount of offset like a broad reach or maybe even lateral wave action could potentially generate the kind of vortex that the winglets are designed to prevent. I think that you are probably right about losing some performance downwind at low speed, however.
@kevinfisher1345
Жыл бұрын
I am no expert, but from my understanding PLUS from what all Eric was saying as well as the diagram from HH shown in the video, that would be negligible more drag. In reality it depends upon the hull design. In particular with the shape of the winglets design on these. As they are thin and wider, not fat and bulkier. As Eric stated in the video, it is like extending the depth of the keel without needing to actually having a deeper keel. This increases the flow, not reduces the flow or creating more drag. This is confirmed in the diagram shown at 7:22 where an independent company tested the design and shows the increased flow. In essence it is spreading the pressure of water flow across more of the keel area, which is counter to creating more drag. Hence why the statement from Eric saying it is like the boat thinks it has a deeper keel. A deeper keel does not increase more drag in comparison or in relation to the overall amount of drag being created by the hull. Or in other words, yes it does, but it is negligible. While it is increasing the force of wetted surface area up and down (which creates more drag), it is also increasing the force of wetted surface area length wise which is creating less drag. So it sort of balances it out. All this is pretty much what I had already understood prior. So one could be asking the same question on whether having a deeper keel increases more drag when going downwind. And the answer to that is yes generally speaking (depending upon hull design, shortening the depth of keel can actually be creating more drag) a deeper keel going downwind does create more drag than raising the keel up would. But that is negligible, especially the faster the hull speed the boat is going. The hull of the boat is creating more drag than the deeper depth of the keel would be. And the faster the speed (generally speaking) that becomes less. The same can be said with regen motors / props as well. Yes those create more drag as well, but the faster the boat is going the less impact it has overall. So if you are going slow (in which you are not likely to be re-generating enough for it to even kick in anyway), it would be creating more drag that is more noticeable and more of the percentage overall. For a performance boat like this one, I would highly suspect it will be negligible. In particular just looking at the diagram shown, as stated above it will be counteracting the amount of drag. Especially for a catamaran anyway, that has two longer and thinner hulls to begin with. Generally speaking increasing the LwL does not create anymore drag, and can decrease it. As the wetted surface area is not being increased. There are pro's and con's with every design, and there is no such thing as a perfect hull shape. So even if I am wrong, and it is increasing drag that you will notice, possibly even half to a full knot, how often does one sail downwind? This will vary, but normally one does not do a lot of downwind sailing. One can never go as fast as the wind speed while sailing downwind. One typically veers off slightly from DDW anyway as this enables you to increase the potential to have more relative wind force ... which means you will now have some slight leeway as well in which a keel will be beneficial.
@pauldegan8324
Жыл бұрын
I would like to see the polars as well....
@DennisWintjes2
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing. Like 11K+ - Enjoy your anniversary!!
@bitsurfr46
Жыл бұрын
Winged keels first debuted in the mid 1980s during an America's Cup race. Views of the new keel were blacked out during television broadcasts to prevent competitors from copying them. A few years later when wings became popular on production boats, complaints began to come out that the wings were getting stuck in the mud during groundings. This is probably not a much an issue on catamarans since you don't heel over as much as a monohull.😢
@robinsommer6009
Жыл бұрын
SO EXCITING YOU GUYS!!! I LOVE LOVE LOVE THE ELECTRIC MOTORS I LOVE LOVE LOVE YOUR ANNIVERSARY PLANS TO THE LAND OF SPICY FOOD AND I WILL BE VERY SAD NOT TO SEE YOUR BEAUTIFUL LOVE AND SMILES NEXT SUNDAY... CHEERS TO YOUR ADVENTURES, AND BLESSINGS FOR YOUR ANNIVERSARY CELEBRATIONS AND IM LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING YOU IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS😁 MUCH LOVE TO YOU! 🌈🌎🛡️❤️😍😁💎💋
@murrayisabeth9403
Жыл бұрын
Good choice...because you made it! And congratulations 🎊 and happy anniversary to you both.
@tcoiler
Жыл бұрын
I'm looking forward to your adventures in Thailand. Let us know about street food!
@dc1544
Жыл бұрын
I agree with you both about the mini keel. With your boat size it makes sense. now if you were say going 55' or bigger then maybe a dagger board setup. Also do you really want your boat to be able to go 16-18 knots compared to 12-14 knots. I don't think many understand how speed feels on water. I grew up on the water. Having a sailboat going 12 knots is hard to slow down quickly if you have to. now imagine how much more it takes if you are doing 16 knots. its 1/3rd more speed but it takes 2/3rds more time to get it down to 1 knot. that means if you see something ahead and you can not move out of the way your chance of major damage is higher with faster speeds. I think I said that right. So safety first and mini keels adds more safety by helping you under power your boat a bit. I think all boaters need to practice a quick stop while under sail. Drop sails reverse engines hard.
@davecisneros5285
Жыл бұрын
I thought airplane winglets were to keep wind from vortexting back onto the top of the wing which reduces drag and fuel use. IDK about space at gates lol
@wildwestunlimited
Жыл бұрын
First of all, next Sunday for ME will not be a great day!.... Sad face.... BUT, I know it's NOT all about me so you two ENJOY your time off and thank you for letting us know that you're going to take a week off. Now some of us won't worry about you. HAPPY ANNAVERSARY!!! What "if" there was a combination of the two, "Dagger Boards" and "Winglets" .... Like, in shallow waters, you can raise your winglets hydraulically and the water sees nothing and you can now go into the shallower waters. The same as, when you're underway, deploy the winglets and away you go. The down side of this is more moving parts. It's like the difference between having an RV WITH slid-outs and having an RV WITHOUT slid-outs. Slid-outs will traditionally fail first, that's been "MY" experience anyways. OH!!..... One more thing..... Nikki is SUCH a DARLING!!!!!!! --> <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="3">0:03</a> 🙂
@michelfortier9563
Жыл бұрын
Are we getting close to completion? Can't wait to see the final product.
@melanieshirkey5276
Жыл бұрын
Hope you both are having a great Anniversary & Birthday celebration! Safe travels to Thailand! Enjoy the adventure!
@NiclasLinden
Жыл бұрын
While in Phuket I would absolutely recommend taking a boat out to all the magnificent islands in the bay north east of Phuket island. They are absolutely stunning and cool sticking straight up from the water. And there you should kayaking inside the caves and lagoons inside the mountains. It is the most stunning and beautiful thing I have ever experienced! And you can visit James Bond island there.
@arlendavis
Жыл бұрын
I think you made the right choice. Especially with your sailing style.
@garyhinchey4086
Жыл бұрын
Great choice, you have done your home work.
@donw6537
Жыл бұрын
Not mentioned in the dagger board discussion was barnacles and plastic debris. I'm a kayaker, and those with the little articulating keels can have them seriously jammed just with sand or gravel. You two are meticulous about maintenance, but daggerboards would indeed add to the list of chores.
@pauldegan8324
Жыл бұрын
No maintenance with dagger boards.. barnacles need sunlight which daggers don't get when up
@brianswift5814
Жыл бұрын
Winglets vs dagger boards... nice. Good video. And happy anniversary ! Take two weeks and smile... We'll be looking for you. 🖖😎, B Swift
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