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@rebaland
11 ай бұрын
Hi Chloe, I love your videos, especially the longer and more information intense ones. I have a cheeky question though! You have such an amazing and enthralling voice, but for the life of me I can't figure out your accent! Did you move around a lot when you were growing up? Hope you don't mind me asking, you just have such an amazingly beautiful voice that is like a lullaby! ❤😂😘
@DisasterBreakdown
11 ай бұрын
@@rebaland I am from Northumberland, North East England. Lived here my whole life :)
@randibgood
11 ай бұрын
@@DisasterBreakdown Why on earth would they have been looking for smoke/fire instructions on an "abnormal" check list??? Smoke or fire are generally considered an emergency.
@rebaland
11 ай бұрын
@@DisasterBreakdown That's fascinating, I feel like you have a southern Irish twang in there somewhere! Lol 😂 Just finished watching and love, not just how in depth you go but, (as a layperson) I really appreciate how well you explain it for us non technical people who find it fascinating non the less. I also enjoy the train ones too, do you think you'd ever branch out to ships aswell?
@CaptainSiCo
11 ай бұрын
Although I recognise the Geordie/Northumbrian in Chloe’s accent (I live near Newcastle myself), I’ve always thought there were elements of other accents in there - even North American! Very interesting!
@dpairlines1480
11 ай бұрын
This was a horrific accident, the situation in the cabin was unimaginable. Reports after the incident, mentioned the Cabin Crew facing panic from passengers as they rushed forward. I’m an ex flight attendant with 35 experience, my Dad was an airport fire fighter based in the Middle East at the time of the accident, he travelled to Saudi Arabia to assist with the investigation. He showed me photos of the aftermath, the most horrific being those from the cockpit, a flight attendant had entered the flight deck, her body was found on the central control panel underneath numerous passenger bodies. I want to mention the doors, I never operated on the tristar, however I did operate DC10 and 767 aircraft, in order to open the doors, a handle is pulled down , the door then moves into the aircraft before retracting into the upper roof, in normal mode, I would push the door upwards or in automatic, the door will automatically rise with the slide falling out and inflating, even with normal operation, I would have to ask passengers to step back as the door came into the cabin. The majority of bodies from this accident were found piled up at the forward exits, even if some of the flight attendants were attempting to open doors, they were no doubt crushed by passengers or overcome with fumes. I have to say, you are without doubt, the most professional , confident and passionate presenter, I have the upmost respect for you.
@DisasterBreakdown
11 ай бұрын
Wow, thanks for insight!
@TTFerdinand
11 ай бұрын
So the flight attendant entered the flight deck, followed by panicking passengers rushing in, pinning the pilots into their seats so that no one could get out? Interesting, I've never heard that before, but it does make sense.
@AsFewFalseThingsAsPossible
11 ай бұрын
utmost
@jaws666
11 ай бұрын
@@DisasterBreakdownanother awesome video Chloe.❤️❤️❤️
@Robert_N
11 ай бұрын
@@TTFerdinand They probably thought to follow the flight attendant as she is leading them to exit the plane.
@noahkirschtein8169
9 ай бұрын
not taking a fire alarm on a PLANE seriously is INSANE. i work at a school, evacuating with the amount of false alarms we have gets harder each time. but i couldn’t imagine ignoring it if there really IS a fire. that’s fucking terrifying.
@sunflowerangeldjoan1921
8 ай бұрын
I was at school today and to be honest I was in the esthetic’s classroom getting a wax service done and I heard the fire alarm go one good grief if there was a fire alarm and it went on in the school I would of went home already.
@dana102083
3 ай бұрын
I was in a school fure in grade 6. They were doing upgrades (we found out after, inappropriately as they didnt put fire alarms between a new roof going up overtop an old one). I was in class 3 periods before lunch break (we had 50 min classess at the time) and someone in my class smelled burning rubber..then we all smelled it. My.teacher was the principal and he took it seriously and made calls. Classes changed. We had lunch..we put it out of our head. first period after lunch a fire alarm went off and by the time we got outside we rememebered the burning rubber smell..we saw someone hand an extinguisher up a ladder to the roof. 80% of the school was burned that day. 100% were evacuated due to fire alarms working well and everyone taking it seriously. I was behind a fire wall that was shut due to solid practices of teachers. We'd get in trouble propping them open for lunch (we were a very full school, upgrade was needed). But those practices made a difference. It was December 5th 1996. The feeling of cold and watching the school burn was tragic. We had a zoo and most of the animals died. The zoo teacher was handcuffed to the police car as he begged them to let him enter to open cages. I will never forget some of the teAchers screaming "this is a real fIre EVACUATE QUICKLY". I know students that had a room collapse behind them and one area was overcome with smoke.. The teacher with the animals found goodness in his heart again. He was a passionate teacher than never lost the fire to teach. He was real and used every situation to teach. I had him after the fire and hed lose a few tears in class when something he used to teach would comenup but he didnt have the same animal that taught it.. grade 7 science here, learning about stimulus. Anyway, keep it real:) Thanks for the therapy :)❤
@sandlmao
3 ай бұрын
at my school, false alarms go off like 5 times a week lol it’s so annoying
@alex_zetsu
2 ай бұрын
On a plane, I'd pay attention to a fire alarm, at a school, as a student I'd ignore them _because_ of all the false alarms. I only pay attention to alarms if it doesn't have a history of being a false alarm or if I'm an employee (and therefore obligated to actually pay attention).
@noahkirschtein8169
2 ай бұрын
@@alex_zetsu and you, my friend, makes my job x10 harder every time the alarm goes off at work. we are legally required to evacuate, just get out and stop wasting the entire staff and student body’s time by being difficult i am BEGGING you.
@shatteredshards8549
11 ай бұрын
It really drives home just how critical those first three minutes on the ground were when you remember that an aircraft evacuation is supposed to be completed IN 90 SECONDS.
@mlisaj1111
Ай бұрын
Well…90 seconds if no one brings their luggage along. There is video of some emergency landings when cell phones were common, including one with a fire in the rear of the plane…..and despite being told to leave them, some people STILL grabbed luggage, including bulky wheeled carry-on bags. There are pics of people pulling wheeled suitcase away from a commercial passenger plane on fire behind them, and only mainly those near exits got off. In another incident, a front slide was deflated when someone tossed their carryon luggage on the slide, despite all warnings to leave luggage, leading to injuries in those who came after.
@kohinarec6580
Ай бұрын
@@mlisaj1111 One contributing factor _may_ be shock. My dad once happened to be the first passer-by on a nasty night time car crash and went to help. He managed to wave down another driver to help as well. The injured driver was bloody and clearly had severe damage to his face and legs but the only thing he cared for was "finding his wallet". Some people undeniably are just selfish but in fear and shock humans go stupid. It po course is very dangerous!
@margaretr5701
Ай бұрын
@@mlisaj1111 f/a. Yes, true, 90 seconds is the safety number. In my opinion, allowing luggage on board, was an error regarding safety. It started out in part, due to airlines charging more for checked baggage. Naturally, passengers put as much as possible in their carry on, which gradually led to small sized suitcases with wheels, which had the heaviest items stuffed in them. The best advice is, put everything you can't bear to leave behind, such as wallet, passport, documents, inside your jacket pocket, and in the very rare possibility of an emergency, leave the bag of clothes and gadgets behind, you have what you need. Your life and other lives, depends on those few precious seconds for survival.
@mlisaj1111
Ай бұрын
@@margaretr5701 Interesting to hear how the carry-on luggage evolved, and Amen to the recommendation that people take just their important documents or small items that won’t slow anyone down.
@margaretr5701
Ай бұрын
@@mlisaj1111 Right! Of course it hasn't been said officially, but the ever growing carry on luggage, was easy to observe over time. And of course, who really wants to check bags in, if you can pack enough in a carry on.😊 I wish all airlines would recommend passengers put small valuables in their pockets, then we might see less luggage in those emergency related video's. Thankfully, they're very rare, statistically, we're still safer in a plane, than a car! Happy travelling.
@Awest101784
9 ай бұрын
…..the fact that EVERYBODY died while the plane was actually on the ground is just mind boggling…
@D52M5
8 ай бұрын
Imagine just a few breaths of hot, thick, pitch black smoke as you struggle to breath…smoke inhalation kills in seconds; exceedingly faster than flames.
@cortneyh4271
8 ай бұрын
Sounds like they died as soon as they landed sadly...
@DianaT-ph6iz
8 ай бұрын
There is a very simple explanation - I thought everyone knew about it already: they did not stop immediately and evacuation did not happen - because there was an important Saudi Arabia "royalty" small airplane in sight on one of the runways - the guidelines said at no point evacuating proceeds when that "royalty" plane is near - they had to overtake it and not stop per guidelines and they did not allow evacuation in sight of that plane because their "jobs" and criminal offences (their relatives can be put to death and charged as well) were in sight. They were more concerned about that "important person" on the runway and him getting away without harm then about the death of hundreds of people.
@elijahmohamed457
7 ай бұрын
@@DianaT-ph6izwheres your proof for this statement
@DianaT-ph6iz
7 ай бұрын
@@elijahmohamed457 dozens of articles and news were written about it with people coming forward and testifying to what they saw. Most were afraid to say as much because of the consequences and thus later some retracted their statements. you don't have to wonder twice why. I am surprised it is not better known - just after the disaster everyone knew that as the truth. I guess it has been suppressed. it is a logical explanation too about the crew behaving so oddly and given the nature and politics of the country thy were landing in. I don't want you to believe me and no, I wont provide articles I cannot find now - I am just very surprised that that this explanation which seemed so natural to so many at that time is not better known now.
@Damage42X
11 ай бұрын
My aunt's husband's brother was one of the flight crew members that lost their lives on that flight. I cannot imagine how horrific it was to hear that one of your relatives basically burned to death.
@ginopanthers5070
10 ай бұрын
Hes not qualiied to be in the cockpit
@joshuaafonso7934
9 ай бұрын
@@ginopanthers5070are you daft and cannot read? ‘flight crew’ not the entire flight crew sit in the cockpit smarty pants
@manspeej
9 ай бұрын
@@ginopanthers5070probably a flight attendant
@padagrad64
7 ай бұрын
@@manspeej They said flight crew, not cabin crew.
@manspeej
7 ай бұрын
@@padagrad64 misread
@robertmcghintheorca49
11 ай бұрын
As a massive fan of the Lockheed L-1011 TriStar, its a plane that my family are partial to, this story breaks my heart. Not only is Saudia - Saudi Arabian Airlines Flight 163 a horror story of items that shouldn't be anywhere near a plane, but also of pilots who had no business being onboard, let alone at the controls. May the 301 men, women, children and infants who perished that horrifying night rest in peace.
@trustkillxxxx
11 ай бұрын
nah, this plane sucks.
@cooperdsfuntv
11 ай бұрын
What about the elders??
@jakobquick6875
11 ай бұрын
As a mentour pilot student , great channel u have here❤ The flight engineers record made me laugh and cry at once, paid his own fe training😂 Never heard of a thing, what an airline Saudi was for taking up his offer😂 blew my mind in callous and misguided decision of a billion dollar company hahah. Not😂
@antoniokastrocarlisledemel6617
11 ай бұрын
Really man I mean u look at one part of Al-Khowyter's record and you'd think you were flying with a pro...over 7500 flight hours at 38 years old flying everything from 707s to DC3 to 737 back to DC9.. but then u read on and realize he's somewhat of a miracle and I don't mean in a good way I mean I really don't understand how he made it anywhere near 7500 flight hours or Captain and by the time he was 38 when some good pilots are still XOs at 58...clearly shows Saudia was seriously lacking at the time in many areas that would render most airlines inert and out of business with no chance of a return but then u got the XO who also had many of the same problems of the captain and Flight Engineer from America born Polish with a name change(absolutely nothing against Polish people I love everybody and your culture and history is endlessly amazing) who along with the XO joins the captain as a pilot who failed at basic things that would probably send most pilots packing and looking for a new career I mean damn it becomes pretty clear Saudia was the doldrums, the depths, the wild west of the airline industry . one that never ever should be possible in something like...The Airline Industry...however I do give a bit of respect to the captain for landing as well as he did with a major emergency stacked on his shoulders, that time they were messing around though could've been the difference....but man this is one of those disasters thats stuck with me the most from my childhood and my granddad,who was a captain at Iberia in the 80s and early 90s, telling me many stories along with assuring my life as a aviation freak, this is most definitely one that I never ever forget...to land and then have everyone die is beyond tragedy and then the souls..301 Jesus man something like this shouldn't even be possible..the captain in particular somehow dodged countless bullets to make it as far as he did but somehow lost his common sense when it was needed most however I do recognize that after they landed it could've been very bad luck that overtook incapacitated them as well
@antoniokastrocarlisledemel6617
11 ай бұрын
@@trustkillxxxx Yea man I mean while I do like this plane I can never say I love it
@lukemauerman3734
11 ай бұрын
Chloe, congrats on building ever-better videos! This tale is so sad. True Story: I'm a flight attendant and in around 1992 in Manilla, on a B747-400, we were boarding the coach cabin and people were complaining of gasoline coming out of the overhead bin and dripping upon them. Upon inspection, a man had brought a gasoline-powered chainsaw on board and it was leaking! We....encouraged him to take it off the plane and to see the agents. Srsly.
@absurdist5134
10 ай бұрын
.... .... Stupidity is something that never ceases to amaze.
@HadridarMatramen
10 ай бұрын
As someone who never experienced flight prior to the changes made after September 11th 2001, stories of the things passengers were just able to bring onboard planes before, are utterly astounding. Imagine trying to explain to TSA that yeah, your hand luggage is a CHAINSAW...????
@roslynaubrey7766
7 ай бұрын
Who’s Chloe?
@senabecool7232
7 ай бұрын
@@roslynaubrey7766the name of the lady running the Disaster Breakdown channel
@windsofmarchjourneyperrytr2823
4 ай бұрын
The gas FUMES are extremely flammable. A spark from synthetic clothing you can't even see could do it.
@lucascalma605
11 ай бұрын
Moral of the story: Always get into action for your own safety even when a problem you encounter is minor, because you'll never know if/when the small problem can become serious enough to put your life in jeopardy.
@windsofmarchjourneyperrytr2823
4 ай бұрын
Once heard a fite alarm on 3rd floor of piblic building. BELIEVE ME. i was OUT in 30 seconds. Nothing wrong, and i wasnt going to be there if there was.
@ODST626
28 күн бұрын
That and like, majority of people nowadays lack common sense. I do not trust them. The amount of people who smoke while pumping gasoline and genuinely don't understand why that is dangerous is baffling. Once had a guy try to fist fight me over it. Like. If you want to take yourself out go for it. But don't expect others to want to go with you smfh.
@ccmd2188
10 ай бұрын
Six months after this incident I was deployed by the U.S. Air Force to this airport with about 600 others to work with the Saudis to monitor the air battle between Iran and Iraq. Their war threatened to expand and include Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. Riyadh's airport had a military facility across the field from the civilian terminal. The ELF-ONE mission included E3A Sentry airborne warning and control system (AWACS) aircraft and KC-135 Stratotanker refueling jets. AWACS maintained a 24/7 flight routine that lasted 8 years. But in early 1981 it was just getting started. Unbelievably, that burnt out Saudia Airlines L1011 sat in the spot depicted in this video when I arrived. Our aircraft and passenger jets taxied past the wreakage daily. I was there a few months and it remained. I don't know when, if ever, that horrible mess was cleaned up. But it was a jolting sight to see every day.
@OhWizzer
9 ай бұрын
Wow that's insane thanks for sharing!
@aeromoe
9 ай бұрын
Was still there in 1994.
@vivlund
9 ай бұрын
Thank you for your service
@thecutestofborg5604
9 ай бұрын
Damn. That's horrific
@a.nobodys.nobody
6 ай бұрын
Just a friendly note that, for me, 'The ELF ONE ...8 years' paragraph really derailed this otherwise well-written and fascinating read. I just couldn't figure out how to read that first line - do you mean an E3A Sentry Aircraft, equipped w AWACS? Or an E3A Sentry AWACS (airborne warning and control system) aircraft? And I couldn't make heads or tails of AWACS maintaining a flight routine that lasts 8 years. I spent waaaay to long trying to figure it out!😅
@MisterPlanePilot
11 ай бұрын
As a prior flight attendant and now a pilot, this just makes me so nauseous, so sick. From lack of an immediate turn back, to indecision whether to divert and even evacuate, I can only imagine what went through the heads of the cabin crew and passengers. May they rest in peace, no one should have lost their life.
@sarahfrith1984
11 ай бұрын
I’m no pilot but I would not discuss the possibility of a fire for 4 and a half minutes and do nothing!! They needed to do something, anything! So sad and entirely preventable 😔😔
@nexaentertainment2764
11 ай бұрын
"hmm, well this could be a false alarm. Meh, may as well fly on. What are the consequences? If we turn around and it was fake we'll all get very mildly reprimanded, or if it's real, we die. Potato potato. I know, let's debate."
@grmpEqweer
11 ай бұрын
When the kerb is 20,000 feet down, you can't just cross your fingers.
@mariposamoreno
11 ай бұрын
exactly!!
@sunflowerangeldjoan1921
8 ай бұрын
The Japan airlines passengers survived because they listened to their cabin crew in Haneda just like today the Saudian Airliner would of survived, if they left all their luggage behind if there Pilots weren’t that idiotic enough to not make an emergency landing, If passengers begin panicking I would of cancelled my flight and stay in The airport for a long time. I think the Japanese pilot and crew is way more Smart than this one. If you’re gonna be a pilot make sure you know how to save your passengers on time. If not don’t fly the plane.
@emiliakazek
11 ай бұрын
Your channel is by far my favourite channel on KZitem Chloe! Growing up, my special interest were airplane accidents, and I forgot about them for several years until stumbling upon your channel a few months ago. It was that feeling of "you don't know you were missing something until you find it". Thank you for your amazing, hard work and for doing justice to the sensitive circumstances around every disaster that you cover.
@DisasterBreakdown
11 ай бұрын
Wow! Thank you so much for watching!
@missmelodius
11 ай бұрын
@emiliakazak Same. You articulate the sensation accurately.
@PauperJ
11 ай бұрын
You and Green Dot Aviation are by FAR the best at these amazing investigative productions. Thank you.
@PrettyVacant45988
11 ай бұрын
Don't forget 'Mentour' & Smithsonian's series. Captain Joe is always fun. Chloe is The Bomb tho. ;}
@PauperJ
11 ай бұрын
Mentour is certainly 3rd, in my opinion, but GDA and DB are far and away tops. On Mentour's 2nd channel, Mentour Now!, I was one of the first 100 subscribers.
@shadymorsi4347
10 ай бұрын
feel like that GDA focuses more on non fatal accidents lately... still intresting but im here for the real beef
@magnum6763
10 ай бұрын
definitely at aviation incidents, there are other channels that do other incidents that are good tho
@roslynaubrey7766
7 ай бұрын
@@PrettyVacant45988who’s Chloe?
@marybarry2230
11 ай бұрын
What part of seeing a light come on that indicates that there is fire in a cargo hold is not sufficient enough reason to head straight back to the airport? Listening to this episode, and watching the video is making me sweat already!😓
@kenmore01
11 ай бұрын
Out of everything that this video recounted, that is the one huge thing that caused all of this. One may say control cables were burnt through, smoke and a lack of oxygen causing panic in the cabin, indicators starting to give false readings, everyone unconscious when the plane finally ground to a halt. Even possibly the brakes not functioning as they should; but all of that could have been mitigated with more time, and turning back immediately would have given them that time. I might even say all the bumbling talk and actions pale in comparison to not turning back right away.
@BlairAir
11 ай бұрын
I absolutely LOVE the sequence of this format. Rather than the tried (and a bit worn-out) pilot intros, plane intro and teaser so many do, you turned it all on its head for this, and it makes watching a refreshing change of pace. WELL DONE! 👏 👏 👏
@johntechwriter
11 ай бұрын
Congratulations on a carefully documented and clearly narrated account of why 300 people became flaming candles caused by an air crash precipitated by an incompetent crew. I find no self-serving exploitation in your production whatever. And so I have described and will be a regular viewer from now on.
@kristensorensen2219
11 ай бұрын
If the flight crew had immediately declared an emergency and turned back this would have ended very differently. Everyone would have survived. There is no worse emergency than a fire!
@oahuhawaii2141
4 ай бұрын
A missile strike is really, really bad.
@ZJ517
11 ай бұрын
I remember reading about this incident many years back and was always baffled how it turned out the way it did. Your narrative actually put out some important but easily overlooked factors, brake failure and the way the Tristar's cabin doors work being two key ones, that really put the event in a perspective that is rather different to how it was normally perceived. For all the faults of the flight crew, and there were a lot to be honest, the tragedy is that by the time the plane touched down, it was already too late for everyone on board. Well done and thoroughly enjoy your work.
@kristenbell2095
11 ай бұрын
This is the best and most thorough coverage I have ever seen of this incident! Very well done, Thank you
@robertmcghintheorca49
11 ай бұрын
I absolutely love your usage of horror music by the way. It really fits with the macabre and spooky nature of these stories. Have a Happy and Safe Halloween, Chloe.
@DisasterBreakdown
11 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@mikebronicki8264
9 ай бұрын
"Captain, we have an alarm indicating a potential fire onboard." Captain: "Mayday, mayday, mayday, this is flight XYZ requesting vectors back to the airport." THAT is the proper sequence of events.
@burningphoneix
11 ай бұрын
I had heard reports that Bill Curtis suffered from Dyslexia, which prevented him from flying in the US or Europe and possibly effected his ability to find the right checklist for the smoke procedures.
@stephanie8560
11 ай бұрын
This is the best breakdown I've seen of this accident, by far. This about what an achievement that is for a you tube channel, when compared with the resources a television network has to work with. This is the first time I learned about which extinguishers were used, and saw a fair/full explanation of the cook stove hypothesis.
@valeriezorn9420
11 ай бұрын
First time watcher, immediate subscriber. I really love your narrative style and voice, and you're obviously very well researched. Keep up the good work Chloe! :3
@UBrickIFix
11 ай бұрын
Your videos are so great. References to sources included in video. I just love it. I wished for a long time people would include their sources for many reasons.
@DisasterBreakdown
11 ай бұрын
As time has gone on and I have held myself to a higher and higher standard, I really figured it was time to start numbering in video. it took me a while but I think its worth it. I honestly think some of my other recent video would have benefitted greatly from this.
@fratercontenduntocculta8161
10 ай бұрын
I like how you handled the crew, giving their faults in a professional way.
@drjohn5801
11 ай бұрын
Interesting video - Brought back memories of that event, some horrifical, as I was involved in the investigation of that accident.. without going into details, after the initial investigation every L-1011 was (quickly) modified - that modification involved separating the gap between the overlap of the #2 engine generator feed cables and hydraulic pressure lines, located inboard of the C3 cargo bay, just behind the cargo lining panel - these were (in several other airplanes) found to be chaffing, that is the generator feeder cable(s) were directly contacting the hydraulic tubing. Also, it was determined both the FWD and AFT outflow valves were selected to MANUAL. Had they been in the AUTO position, the valves would automatically open upon landing. Also, the "flash over" fire in the main cabin was attributed to the activation of the numerous (chemical) passenger cabin oxygen generators located above the passenger seats, in the overhead passenger service units.
@divestdreamer
11 ай бұрын
Being burned alive is one of the worst ways to go. The captain is a idiot for not letting all the passengers evacuate. May all the 301 passengers rest in peace ❤
@vinny142
11 ай бұрын
Watch the video, the captain had no autority over the doors once the emergency had started. All of the crew had the authority to open the doors, but most likely there were already incaopacitated by the time the doors could be opened. Also: regardless of what the crew did, they were left to burn by the ground crew who also could have opened the doors from the outside. This was an allround sh*tshow.
@salamantics
10 ай бұрын
@@vinny142you say watch the video but you fail to remember that the engines were on? You know how powerful those are? It would suck anything within 20 meters in and turn it into soup. Even if the passengers opened the doors they’d likely die anyway to the engine. That was a large reason why the ground crews couldn’t approach.
@southfieldtrill9690
6 ай бұрын
Most or all were dead before the fire touched them 💯
@oahuhawaii2141
4 ай бұрын
Probably expired from inhaling toxic fumes.
@saleemchoudhry4145
7 ай бұрын
In 1980s the Hajis they use to carry karocine oil burners so that they can cook their meals during Haj. They do not have these inside cabin but in cargo. Karocine is possible inside cargo in cans.
@kerryhughes6537
3 ай бұрын
What an awful way to go. The fear must've been incomprehensible for those poor people 💔 brilliant channel, tho chole. You're awesome 👌
@liamb8644
11 ай бұрын
I love your 45 min videos because it really is a documentary. Thank you.
@renindoubt129
11 ай бұрын
Appreciate the outlook to the future of the channel! Best wishes for surgery!!
@harry-cee
2 ай бұрын
I've traveled extensively by air, but this channel has truly transformed my perspective. Learning about the meticulous checks and inspections that each flight undergoes has given me a newfound appreciation for everyone involved in the process. And, to be honest, it has also instilled a bit of fear in me about flying.
@aarnililja5599
11 ай бұрын
Great video Chloe You're the best!
@DisasterBreakdown
11 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@agcrist
11 ай бұрын
thanks for another great video, chloe. sending you well wishes and a speedy recovery after your surgery!
@planescaped
11 ай бұрын
I could easily see the vibrations of the plane scratching a firestarter together to make sparks until it caused a fire.
@subzero9260
8 ай бұрын
And to think something like this just occurred in Japan but luckily everyone escaped alive that was on that plane
@JezlyneSaludares
10 ай бұрын
I just discovered this channel. Listening triggers my panic attack, but I can't stop watching. Great video btw.
@daonlyzneggalz7522
Ай бұрын
17:31- you meant engines 1 and 3, I hope? Great work as always! Glad to be subscribed!
@grapeshot
11 ай бұрын
In some ways, this disaster reminds me of the Air Canada flight that landed at the Cincinnati Northern Kentucky Airport on fire.
@papaloongie
11 ай бұрын
That fire was started in the rear washroom. The rear of the aircraft burned. The people that got out used the front slides, mostly L1 . The galley exit (R1) was very tiny. I don’t remember if they used the overwing exits. I had many hours on that fin. I’m sorry for the people who perished.
@Unknown-bq9id
11 ай бұрын
Hell, that crew handled the fire better than the flight crew of Saudia Flight 163 did...
@mrkipling2201
7 ай бұрын
Along with the British Airtours 737 at Manchester Airport in August 1985. That didn't even takeoff, yet 55 people still sadly perished.
@morganjohnson2513
11 ай бұрын
Absolutely love your videos, very interesting case
@DisasterBreakdown
11 ай бұрын
Thank you for watching!
@kholoudMA94
2 ай бұрын
حادثة مؤسفة كان من الممكن تجنبها. قدّر الله وماشاء فعل، الله يرحمهم ويغفرلهم. Great video and analysis!
@fdsgdgdgdgdgdfsdsds7405
2 ай бұрын
Amine
@Mgaffo222
10 ай бұрын
As cabin crew myself we still use Halon fire extinguishers. I studied this as part of my CRM when I was studying it is fascinating yet horrific to watch this is why we need to train and be confident in our decisions onboard we need to rely on our training and take situations that may look harmless or small seriously as they can quickly turn their heads and become dangerous.
@Eric_Hutton.1980
11 ай бұрын
This happened the exact same day I was born.
@CuriousMess61
11 ай бұрын
May all who died RIP. You are soooooo good at this Chloe.
@MelissaThorn-zr6ip
8 ай бұрын
Thank you Chloe for all your hard work and dedication to providing quality content regarding these incidents. As a 737 first officer I’m glad to have found your channel. ❤
@nexaentertainment2764
11 ай бұрын
Yes the captains were grossly negligent. But damn if this isn't a tragic story none the less. I really believe they stopped on the taxiway, did an emergency checklist, and succumbed to the fumes sometime shortly after shutting down the engines. Next, I also believe that the crowd-crush around the doors made it impossible to open them. When you have dozens, maybe hundreds, of people all trying to push up to a 1 person door frame, no one will be able to move even an inch. Doubly so since everyone is panicked to shit and back (for good reason) fearing for their lives. The fact the flight attendants didn't try to open the door to me signals that the conditions in the cabin were unsurvivable long before the engines shut down. Hell, I wouldn't even be surprised if the pilots didn't even know everyone back there was dead, and they themselves had only a couple more minutes (did those old tristars have cockpit escape ladders? Can't imagine they wouldn't have taken those if they were cognizant). Again, the pilots should have turned around immediately. We all know that. But it's so damn tragic. I believe that if this plane had stopped on the ground maybe even just a couple minutes faster, there's a chance at least some survivors might've made it. But that's all speculation. What a horrible tragedy :(
@ac9110
6 ай бұрын
Excellent videos very well researched. You have the most wonderful voice, I could listen to you all evening.
@beaka63
8 ай бұрын
First of all, this was a clear and concise breakdown of a complicated and horrible disaster. I commend Chloe and her efforts to present it as such. Second of all, if anyone is trans, IT DOESN'T MATTER. Get past that shit. It doesn't warrant commenting on. Thirdly, I've only just started watching Disaster Breakdown ( and other such focused content) and this is difficult content to put together; give credit where credit is due. I feel terrible for people who die when they didn't have to, but when so calmly and professionally presented, it is much less traumatizing for we, the viewers. New sub.
@sheilabloom6735
11 ай бұрын
An excellent in-depth report on this disaster. What was done about the abominable vetting of flight crews?
@el_quba
Ай бұрын
I believe nowadays airport firefighters have procedures to shutdown the engines from outside with foam and water if needed
@margiesweet6362
9 ай бұрын
What a horrible tragedy. It's heartbreaking!Although it can not be proved, portable cooking stoves NEVER belong on an aircraft.
@Tirani2
4 ай бұрын
I've seen this flight analytics before and people tried to pin the blame on those stoves. I find your arguments much more persuasive. On a production note, I love the nebula and star backgrounds you're using for a flight at night. They're amazing.
@sarikagoode1505
11 ай бұрын
This creator makes the BEST BEST BEST videos!
@Theyeti17
9 ай бұрын
26:08 people just chilling in the fiery windows like “this is fine” 🔥
@harveysmith100
8 ай бұрын
Having worked on the Tristar as cabin crew and also worked on contract for Saudi on Hajj flights, this is so painful to watch. The portable gas stoves was a common thing. Bundles of wood have been found in the cabin, with the intention of cooking a meal, I kid you not. Flight deck, They didn't have a thousand hours on type between them. That on a normal aircraft would ring alarm bells. On the Tristar, it was fatal. The Tristar was the second most advanced airliner of the day, second only to Concorde. You needed to have atleast one very experienced crew up front. I watched a brilliant video about this during CRM training, the engineer was dyslexic and struggled to read the emergency check list. At one point the Captain started to pray, this really worried me, the Captain had lost confidence in his own ability and was asking for help from a higher being. This meant he wasn't focused on solutions. (Common in Saudi) The doors on the Tristar were fantastic, normally they went up and down using electricity, when they came down it tensioned a large spring, when placed into automatic, there was an emergency lever next to the door, pull that lever and "Bang" it would disappear into the ceiling. This aircraft was not depressurized so the doors wouldn't have opened as they need to come in first to go up. On a final note, because of the design of the doors, similar to the 767 and the DC10, if you get down to 10'000ft and depressurize the aircraft, you can put the doors in manual and open them a few inches. This was taught to us in the event of smoke in the cabin. Crack a door at the front and one at the rear. Just to finish, the Tristar was the finest sub sonic airliner ever made.
@craigstinchcomb5260
Ай бұрын
Nice Job.... spent time on The L-1011 (SFO to ATL). Well built and safe aircraft. The 3 major L-1011 accidents were all pilot issues, not the aircraft. An Eastern L-1011 was flown into the everglades due to crew not paying attention. I believe it was Dallas where a Delta L-1011 flew into a thunderstorm on final and right into a wind shear which slammed it into the runway. You have named this incident appropriately "Heartbreaking". Thanks Again!
@Joe_draw
11 ай бұрын
I just recently started getting a permit to own a rear engine from one that is in Arizona
@wednes3day
6 ай бұрын
It is insane how much better pilots and crew have managed to do
@rebekahwilson7703
6 ай бұрын
Absolutely DESPICABLE!😢
@DougMon
6 ай бұрын
I worked for Saudia in Jeddah for 9 years. At the start I had to convert my U.S. issued A&P license to the Saudi Presidency of Civil Aviation (PCA) license. This involved a one day lecture on regulatory subjects. The instructor had been employed with the PCA for numerous years (he was there at the time of this event) and gave the class a narrative of what actually occurred. First, the cause of the fire. A hydraulic pressure tube running through the sidewall of the C2 Cargo compartment developed a pinhole leak. The phosphate esther based hydraulic fluid used on commercial aircraft (Skydrol 500B) is fire resistant but not fire proof. The pin hole leak caused a fog to develop which, in an incredibly tragic coincidence was ignited by faulty electrical wiring that caused a spark. (Same concept of the explosive danger posed by flour dust that builds up in a mill). Since the fire (now a 3,000 PSI blowtorch) was between the cargo compartment liner and fuselage skin, the lack of cargo liner burn-though resistance played no part. Aluminum structure, main cabin floorboards (above the compartment) control cables, electrical wiring and other hydraulic tubes were directly exposed to the blowtorch. Even more tragic was the cause of the failure to evacuate after landing. Emergency crews were waiting midfield assuming the aircraft would perform an emergency stop. Why did the captain continue his roll to casually exit onto the taxiway? He was instructed to do so by the tower due to a Saudi Prince that was scheduled to depart Riyadh. At any cost, the aircraft was not to stop and block the runway which would have prevented the VIP from departing. I had expected to hear the same causes in this video but now realize that, as the instructor also stated, this was all kept out of official reports. I had no reason to doubt the instructor. The narrative was included as part of the official PCA training.
@Elmcharfi
Ай бұрын
Omg us thus trues?
@TalalsWarthunder
Ай бұрын
Thanks for clearing things up, unfortunately, many don't know and are calling saudis terrorists and dumbasses, not knowing the progress we made, saudia was the most improved airline of 2022 and had the most improved airport as well.
@mattwilliams3456
11 ай бұрын
Excellent presentation of a horrific incident. If anything, I think you were perhaps to polite regarding the flight crew.
@CircumstancesNeverMatter
10 ай бұрын
They had no idea what they were doing is the moral of the story. When you keep failing exams like that you shouldn’t be allowed to fly a plane ✈️
@JoesephBidon
11 ай бұрын
I was in SA the day this happened...it was a total bloody disaster. People were saying pilgrims started cooking on stoves in the cabin.
@ODST626
28 күн бұрын
It's plausible. I understand not knowing the rules of airlines if you never fly. But like. Even they should know fire in a small space is a bad idea at the best of times. It's like people who smoke while pumping gasoline. Should be common sense not to do that. At the end of the day if that's what happened the blame ultimately is still on the airline for not adequately checking the bags and enforcing their regulations.
@b.nichols3255
6 ай бұрын
It wasn't just four and a half minute lost. They flew that time out and then needed to fly that time back, so nine minutes lost. Definitely enough to make a big difference.
@lohmei3913
3 ай бұрын
I have to pause before I watch this person is so brilliant she's truly a star
@postersm7141
7 ай бұрын
First of all your work is very well done and amazing. Well put together and riveting. Now that we got that out-of-the-way, I don’t know why, but the TriStar L1011 I am so fascinated with, and I have to see one at a museum or somewhere before the end of my life. I think it was such an amazing aircraft.
@m.streicher8286
11 ай бұрын
I just wanna say, voice therapy is hell and you're an inspiration, to me at least.
@raven_1133
11 ай бұрын
13:38 You said it so nonchalantly that it made me laugh! Anyways, quality work like always!
@viviennepopek
9 ай бұрын
Excellent documentary on this tragedy.
@JoniWalker42
10 ай бұрын
I am looking forward to new videos of yours. Good luck with the surgery.
@harrietharlow9929
10 ай бұрын
Just subbed. An excellent telling of the tragedy, toId with empathy. This was a botch all round. RIP to all who died in what should have been a survivable incident.
@anthonyhazen4446
4 ай бұрын
You are always great to listen to I really enjoy your documentary
@robinwells8879
10 ай бұрын
Interesting to hear different summaries of the facts. I had understood that the issue was solely one of poor cockpit dynamics between the crew but it seems more complex as is often the case. Many holes in one Swiss cheese. Good luck with the surgery pet! As I understand you say back home!❤️
@Lee-mx5li
11 ай бұрын
Superb job on analysis 👏... So so unfortunate..
@MegaSnow121
11 ай бұрын
It blows my mind that such an inexperienced and poorly performing crew was allowed to operate this large aircraft.
@johntechwriter
11 ай бұрын
I stopped flying years ago, but the Lougheed Tri Star was the most comfortable airliner I’d ever been on. It didn’t hurt that I had the whole plane nearly to myself. Flying from Chicago to Toronto Canada, my claustrophobia was soothed by the immense interior space, the near-silence, and the luxurious ride, experiencing none of the bumps and jumps that so often accompany jet travel. We arrived in Toronto in the middle of a howling rainstorm. I could see nothing outside my window. I was unaware at the time, but while most other aircraft would have been diverted, the Tri Star went ahead with landing. Its computer-aided landing system brought the plane onto the tarmac so smoothly, I could not tell exactly when we touched down. But as the plane decelerated on the tarmac, finally I could see the ground, illuminated by the wing lights. The water was literally jumping off the pavement, such was the force of the storm. What doomed the Tri Star was excessive fuel consumption. It was designed at a time when planes with two engines were forbidden from overseas passenger aviation. So the Tri Star was designed to compete with the 747. But then as luck would have it, twin-engined airliners were approved for overseas use. And so the Tri Star fell victim to the industry’s numerous number-one operating expense, fuel cost. I feel badly for the engineers who designed this magnificent airliner. As with the Airbus 360, the worthy successor to the legendary 747, once again commercial aviation went through a metamorphosis that reduced landings at big airports for transfer to smaller planes, to instead facilitate straight-through flight in smaller jets point-to-point. And thus, the 360’s future was doomed just as Airbus was ready to take orders that never materialized. Since deregulation under Reagan in 1980, the airlines became a free- for-all, with virtually no government regulation except by the FAA, whose inspectors the airlines ultimately corrupted, leading to the twin disasters of the 737 MAX. But that’s another story. This particular tragedy for the Tri Star was helped along by an incompetent crew. And it well illustrates there is no substitute for an experienced and competent pilot, backed up by a co-pilot not afraid to speak his mind. We no longer have that security of command in the U.S.A. Unencumbered by unions or serious regulations, the regional carriers turned to hiring the flight crews who would work for the lowest salaries. On a recent FrontLine documentary from PBS, I saw commercial passenger jet pilots admit in interviews they were forced to apply for food stamps to feed their families. So here we have yet another example of unrestrained capitalism degrading what was once one of the country’s most trusted industries. After Boeing’s attempted cover-up of the 737 MAX fiasco, precipitated by the manufacturer having the plane’s FAA inspector on Boeing’s payroll, when the first crash happened they went into denial mode and while most countries’ aviation regulators shut down 737 MAX flight permissions on their territory, the FAA held firm, saying the crash was an anomaly. And after the second crash this so-called regulator tried once again to keep this plane flying in the USA. Why? Because if the plane was found to be the cause of the crashes, Boeing would stand to lose billions by grounding their best-selling plane. This level of corporate corruption is now manifest across the whole country for those who can resist the addictive charms of TikToc - from healthcare to the decline of consumer confidence in the news media. And with good reason. Healthcare in this country is a huge rip-off, where tens of thousands die unnecessarily each year because the for-profit insurance system refuses to provide ventilators or kidney dialysis to desperately ill patients whose survival depends on them. And by declaring Hillary Clinton a shoe-in in 2016, the New York Times and others discouraged enough Democrats from going out to vote to facilitate the election of Trump. So no, I will not fly again. Because I can think of no more humiliating way to die than knowing in my final moments, the value of my life was weighed against an algorithm and it was my turn to lose.
@MRKapcer13
11 ай бұрын
I find that both you and crash reports tend to be reluctant to blame flight crew that strongly, even when to a layperson crew error seems to be the only explanation for a disaster. It puts into stark contrast cases like this, though, where the flight crew is blamed absolutely for their failure.
@randomscb-40charger78
11 ай бұрын
I think the report is partially written in such a way due to cultural reasons. There was another video Chloe did on EgyptAir flight 990 where the Egyptians disagreed with the NTSB's report on the accident, the NTSB's conclusion being pilot suicide.
@TechSavy-je4tp
11 ай бұрын
Lawsuits. The investigation wants to find the true culprit. If they can't, the final report will not directly blame the pilots even if there's no other realistic explanation, meanwhile the airline wants to blame the dead or anyone who's small enough to be a escape goat.
@Eloraurora
11 ай бұрын
I think it's partly a mechanistic, "How can we prevent this from happening again?" perspective. If the official answer to "Why did this happen?" boils down to, "Because those guys were fuckups," it doesn't really do much for prevention.
@indianfan1029
3 ай бұрын
Then you are not going to get much help in ur plans of "for this to not happen again". Bcoz fck ups are very resourceful, they will find ways to happen.
@biggiouschinnus7489
2 ай бұрын
Bradley Curtis' real name was Zdzisław Szczesny - he was actually a Polish immigrant. His father, Henryk Szczesny, was a WWII Polish fighter ace. It's horribly sad, because it probably explains why the guy was so desperate to fly - he wanted to please his father.
@DBEdwards
10 ай бұрын
AND FEAR OF FLYING? FEAR OF AIRPORTS. THE CONCENTRATION CAMPS? YES. I HAVE IT IN SPADES
@IanLawrie-l9q
11 ай бұрын
A heart wrenching tale of lamentable actions 🙏
@generalfranz302
9 ай бұрын
How can someone be so dense that say say, "Oh, the plane is filled with smoke, this is fine!' Like that entire thing was on that employee being extremely dense
@shoestringfarm
11 ай бұрын
Excellent show. Most enjoyable.
@RychaardRyder
10 ай бұрын
I now fully understand and respect being regulated on what you can bring on a plane, STOVES AND DEISEL?!?!? WHY
@ColaNightfall
10 ай бұрын
Hello Diaster Breakdown. I love your videos. Can you make a video relating to Singapore Airlines Flight 117 when it got hijacked at SIngapore's Changi Airport. Thanks :)
@h-leath6339
7 ай бұрын
Just really need to say, that lounge. I love interior design from back when we used to live in the future.
@nohandleimposed
10 ай бұрын
Congratulations to the pilots for being able to land the crippled aircraft, despite following the obsolete checking list. The focus of the video deviated from the main cause of the fire and focused on the pilots actions only. Everyone was already dead or had passed out, when the plane landed or could not open the doors.
@firthm2
20 күн бұрын
Two fire alarms go off but they "aren't sure what to do"??? Bloody emergency land immediately!
@SymSC
11 ай бұрын
Crazy how the flight crew don't even have that primitive instinct when it comes to fire. Like bro you're in a tin can in the air, ANY fire and it's possible you are going to lose your life. You can talk training all you want, but a toddler could know better.
@The-Ent1ty
9 ай бұрын
Imagine being on the ground, seeing at that point a "furnace with wings" just sit there, smoke coming out and an eiree orange glow coming out only through the windows
@Earth4Mars
10 ай бұрын
I was born and grew up in Riyadh. The old airport is now a military one and sits on the view of driving cars on Khrais bridge. There is a flight museum with a Tri-Star sitting outside.
@markbrown7103
11 ай бұрын
Wow, that is horrible. All of those people who died. A tragic loss. I think it’s so sad that that airlines have to hire such people who can’t really fly. Kind of scary to me. I love to fly. It’s pretty cool when you’re up there but you never know what can go wrong. I don’t fly anymore. I’m too afraid now and I’m too old I am 70. I don’t get out my two new one. But this video really gives me something to think about and I hope it gives everybody else something to think about. He asked me it’s even kind of creepy.💀🛩️ I feel for those who had to die especially their families.❤ heart goes out to their families and loving ones even though it was a long time ago it’s still a sad story😪😪
@camillejohnson7035
4 ай бұрын
What a horrible lost of lives that could have had a survivable outcome. Chloe as always did a professional reenactment that anyone could have followed.
@cullanpiano
11 ай бұрын
Your best ever, thanks so much!
@davehdgn5348
10 ай бұрын
I have watched A TON of air disaster videos and this is one of the EERIEST ones I have ever seen! Such an amazing job you do and your passion really comes through on the work you do especially this one. @DisasterBreakdown question for you: what software do you use to animate these so well? I am so curious on how these get created!
@fadyplady8337
9 ай бұрын
Microsoft Flight Simulator
@theavandenberg6876
Ай бұрын
Imagine being in a burning plane with that flight crew..........they seemed to have missed all sense of urgency....and than you are on the ground, your first priority should be get out......I just cannot comprehend while they did what they did.
@emmonstrex65
3 ай бұрын
Great video- subscribed 👍
@wtorules4743
11 ай бұрын
Horrific story. Frustrating to revisit the incompetence in the cockpit. What would be the outcome if they’re just declared a pan pan on the first warning and turned it around? What would be the backlash for the pilots, if anything? Great video very well explained.
@nightowldickson
6 ай бұрын
The crew wasted valuable time to get the aircraft back on the ground. Wasn't the Captain singing on the CVR during the turnback? I saw that in a documentary that was made some time ago about this accident
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