Way too much hippie idolization. Hippies were WAY more like the 2000s hipsters than given credit here. There’s a kind of a conflation with the political radicalism of the 60s with hippies, which in and of itself is fuel to the fire of hipster nostalgia love
@godhimself1128
Жыл бұрын
I always thought of hipsters as the ancestors of beatniks more than hippies
@rorylynch1203
Жыл бұрын
I went to Pitzer college in the 00s and there were still kids who acted like crunchy granola hippies who had the idealism and activism but there were also the emerging hipsters who were the insufferable know it alls with bake a light phones and corn cob pipes. I know it’s not 60s hippies but I dunno I think the distinction can be meaningful
@RememberShuffle
Жыл бұрын
interesting, yes I think that conflagration. Would be interesting to see how much overlap was truly there.
@mj.l
Жыл бұрын
@@godhimself1128hipsters are an offshoot of yuppies more than beatniks
@MGWorldwide
Жыл бұрын
As a total ren faire dork who has literally read a book about its history I can say that the first ren faire spring up in LA in 63, ie 5 years before people *really* started talking about hippies and the many artisans such as ppl who made cermamic or wooden kitchenware was absolutely a counter culture "protest" against the increasing ubiquity of plastic items in american households starting in the 50's. I guess just making a connection between the artisanal trend with hipster food
@RememberShuffle
Жыл бұрын
Interesting link between the two subcultures. That desire to make products you would otherwise buy a plastic manufactured version of.
@alexanderjmihalich8525
Жыл бұрын
Imo the thing to remember about hipsters is it represented a lot of people trying pretty hard to do ethical capitalism and all they got is open brick facades everywhere and the enmity of basically everybody
@captainfantastic7643
Жыл бұрын
Nah it was mostly just an expensive to buy into spectacle of ethical capitalism. Like silicon valley pretends they need their wealth and status to save the world or Republican donors bluster about being job creators.
@alexanderjmihalich8525
Жыл бұрын
@@captainfantastic7643 like all things ofc it became a consumerist spectacle but hipster staples like thrift shopping, local arts, bike culture etc make economic and ecological sense, they became empty status symbols after being reflected by capitalism back into the world
@DavidParket-g1h
10 ай бұрын
I feel like you are making it out to be worse than it is.
@alexanderjmihalich8525
10 ай бұрын
@@DavidParket-g1h wouldn't it just be the worst if i did
@MoonShine-o5n
21 күн бұрын
Very true lol. 2010s hipsters are the same way.. except instead of craft beers, they do ketamine or shrooms, go to raves. They advocate for all the things that cause gentrification and then complain about it.
@sacrificezone
Жыл бұрын
Iraqi youth wearing skinny jeans have faced violence, with religious fundamentalists denouncing “emo kids” as promoting or belonging to “homosexual” subculture etc.
@ciananmeagher9005
Жыл бұрын
Great Episode, I'm gonna throw my own hot take in and say the spirit of the hipsters lives on in the terminally online cultures of the dirtbag left and "alt-right" (whatever that even entails nowadays). Both are very much obsessed with irony and abstraction, but a form of it tailored to furthering certain sentiments related to political goals. Cumtown and Warmode are both sides of this coin Imo. Anyway great stuff, hope this is eventually successful enough to do weekly. and PS: Adult Swim episode when? HUGE part of 2000s culture that has kind of become slowly irrelevant over the years but has undoubtedly been immensely relevant to the current meme culture.
@godhimself1128
Жыл бұрын
they gotta talk about how freakin' sweet it was when family guy was revived
@ciananmeagher9005
Жыл бұрын
@@godhimself1128 Unironically tho, Family Guy reruns on Adult Swim was the I Love Lucy of the late Millenials and Early Zoomers
@RememberShuffle
Жыл бұрын
I recall so vividly that 4 year period between seasons 3 and 4.Downloading them on Kazaa and wishing someone would bring it back, how could this show get cancelled? Call me a traditionalist, but I still prefer those first 3 seasons.
@RememberShuffle
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this point. can you elaborate what you mean by abstraction? that's the first time I've heard it mentioned with regards to hipsterism. Would love to make the link between hipsterism and cumtown too if you can go off a bit more on that.
@jacobj3912
Жыл бұрын
This was such a good episode. Shout out Capitol Hill Seattle, they turned the local thrift shop into a WeWork
@RememberShuffle
Жыл бұрын
lol, that's awesome. Would have been a great detail for the show.
@RememberShuffle
Жыл бұрын
I looked into it and it's the same thrift shop from the Macklemore music video lol
@DavidParket-g1h
10 ай бұрын
Since you guys have mentioned frank, i thought you would mention the book Conquest of Cool.
@yungyahweh
Жыл бұрын
Y'all are great. Thanks fellas. Do y'all ever plan to make a Patreon or anything like that?
@RememberShuffle
Жыл бұрын
Thank you, this is sincerely touching. We don't, maybe in a year. We'd like to get a bit better before we do Patreon--get to a level where we can can post more consistently. Any Apple/Spotify Reviews are deeply appreciated in lieu though
@sacrificezone
Жыл бұрын
Hippies became hella consumers, “Whole Earth Catalogue” and all the rest.
@caseyzaleski157
Жыл бұрын
I feel so "seen" and attacked at the same time. Great ep
@RememberShuffle
Жыл бұрын
lol, this happened to me while preparing. As a hipster especially, it was not fun to have subtextual desires put out in the open like this
@taylornoll8521
Жыл бұрын
I could be totally talking out of my ass here, but I think whereas 00's hipsterism required snobbery towards mainstream media, the "alt" early-millenial/gen-z audience seems kind of swept up in embracing mainstream culture. (e.g. 'poptimism') And who can blame them? I remember being 18 and having my mind blown hearing DFW or Naomi Klein talk about how nefariously commercials ingest and regurgitate the irony/cynicism/anti-authoritarianism of the time. And that was in the 90s. Now we've reached a total saturation point where mainstream and "alt" culture have been almost completely flattened together. Class / wealth inequality is obviously a huge part of this, but all the kids who made the best shit at my art school work at Condé Nast or whatever ad agency that pays them a salary to make a living in NY. I'll echo the sentiment that if there are "hipsters" now, it's really those who are online on Twitter under the age of 40. And if there's any "snobbishness," it lies in a cool, detached derisiveness towards anyone who doesn't ingest, react and process news/media/culture at a hyper-fast rate.
@farhajhassan8516
Жыл бұрын
This is the 2nd time I'm listening to this. This is such a great piece of analysis on the complex social scene we see infront of us still today.
@RememberShuffle
Жыл бұрын
Thanks! yeah, something we didn't realize until we finished was how much of the hipster subculture had been folded into the culture at large. So many mainstream trends can be traced back to their preferences
@19peter96
Жыл бұрын
Amazing episode, this format really works imo. An obvious more defined subculture to look at next would be the classic mid 00s emo. The extent to which they organically descend from the 90s indie rock scene of the same name; how they were defined by marketing and the media reaction; how and why it evolved into 'scene' around 2008/9 and whateved happened to scene. (It seems to me they just faded into hipsterdom with the new decade and the more garish ones formed 'swag' culture).
@RememberShuffle
Жыл бұрын
Thank you. Yeah we did do an emo-ish episode (ep 9) but it didn't do that well, so we've sort of avoided it. But I think you may be right that if we focused more on the subculture than the music, it might generate more interest.
@GeertSawek
Жыл бұрын
I feel attacked. Lol
@michaelslowmin
Жыл бұрын
Good. Me too c:
@godhimself1128
Жыл бұрын
Glad im not the only one lmao. I never realized it until now but the hipsters really did win by metabolizing into the mainstream
@RememberShuffle
Жыл бұрын
same, i look at all my beloved collection of 90s crew necks now and just see the Irony and nostalgia
@willyonamountain
Жыл бұрын
The attitude that there was always a secret better way to do everything that can be lorded over people- drip coffee sucks, it has to be some kind of tedious pour over. streaming music is actually low quality, real fans listen to records. expensive selvedge denim is the only type of jeans to wear (and there's secret, fiddly way to care for it). etc etc Ah you basically cover it with Craft Brew Hipster.
@RememberShuffle
Жыл бұрын
having some kind of distinctions for the different types was the only way to do this, otherwise, they were too difficult to define across the entire decade
@Xylus.
2 ай бұрын
I totally agree with the skewed percentage of consumers vs creatives in "hipsterdom". I can tolerate pretentious artists, but being a pretentious consumer is the most annoying thing, but thats all there is. Idk, all i ever wanted to do is be in a band and make my own stuff.
@sundayssslave
Жыл бұрын
To give an unnecessary hipster explanation of Chemex, the difference isn't glass vs. plastic pour over. Coffee snobs are into Chemex because of the brand of filters. The Chemex branded filters are thicker and made differently than drip coffee filters and the claim is that they remove oils & cholesterol, so you get more of the 'true character' of the coffee taste while removing the bad stuff. It kind of reminds me of the 'warmth' argument that audiophiles use to talk about vinyl vs. digital. That being said, you could obviously just buy Chemex brand filters and use them in a regular pour over or drip machine.
@RememberShuffle
Жыл бұрын
I might be wrong in how im interpreting the above, but i love that the entire explanation was undermined by that last sentence?
@sundayssslave
Жыл бұрын
@@RememberShuffle Oh absolutely. If I was expressing anything, I was trying to exemplify the hipster culture by the fact that they love the ornate complexity of something like the glass hourglass with a wooden handle, while the actual 'technology' was completely unrelated, simple, and applicable to any other existing pour-over device. But now I guess the fashionable equivalent is buying a fancy, ornate pour-over ceramic device from Etsy (and then using Chemex filters), something I'm guilty of myself. Love the pod, by the way.
@shannonm.townsend1232
Жыл бұрын
Hype machine was definitely a thing
@RememberShuffle
Жыл бұрын
lol, yes. THANK YOU. No one would believe.
@shannonm.townsend1232
Жыл бұрын
@@RememberShuffle they're pups
@Skeptakai
Жыл бұрын
Such a great episode! Keep it up!
@asdsafasf3
8 ай бұрын
Kent State killed the hippy. literally, figuratively.
@mikeworth62
Жыл бұрын
I'm too fat to be a hipster. Skinny jeans don't come in my size.
@RememberShuffle
Жыл бұрын
well the new current wide leg pant era is perfect timing for you
@lotoreo
Жыл бұрын
look at it on the bright side, all jeans are skinny fit for you
@lazygorillacopycat
3 ай бұрын
A big echo is that the rolling of anyone younger then genX into hipsterdom (since boomers dont differentiate age wise) is how much it torpedoed the critical value of older generations. Hipsters were/are so irritating to people that any criticism or joke about young people that's meant as satire never lands because all "young" people arent hipsters and most young people agree with the boomer satire
@brandonkissir5414
Жыл бұрын
Not one mention of Portland
@Shimansaji
Жыл бұрын
That is strange isn’t it?
@RememberShuffle
Жыл бұрын
yeah, that is likely one thing I would go back and add. I think we had a small section on Portlandia but it never came up. It is the holy site for this type of guy. It's likely a result of none of the hosts having lived there, but definitely a missed opportunity
@damianalejandro6959
Жыл бұрын
Yes i need that 24 episode
@RememberShuffle
Жыл бұрын
Jordano (loser) hasn't seen it. Ben is a huge fan
@DJGenericname
Жыл бұрын
I’m really enjoying this
@lazygorillacopycat
3 ай бұрын
Pretty funny that the end point for hipster products is a pretty open faced representation of their upbringing, what is more white bread middle class gentrifier than making a kombucha in your basement until coca-cola wants to buy you out?
@askl23
Жыл бұрын
Have to say it’s very rough listening to dueling female and somehow male vocal fry.
@RememberShuffle
Жыл бұрын
lmao. forwarded this to our guests
@philbuttler3427
5 ай бұрын
The Chapo guys are definitely hipster adjacent. Like I think its the smug condescention dripping off a lot of what they say, acting like most things are garbage except the stuff they like, living in Brooklyn. I like Chapo but thryre a similar type of pretentious as what Hipsters represented culturally.
@VincentTroia
Жыл бұрын
anything post psychoanalytic/social anthropological self aware era is terrible. modern society is a cul-de-sac of misery. even pointing this out is awful and suffocating in itself. we all know it and we’re slowly kurt cobaining ourselves because of it. not to get too dark lol
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