Martin: "I don't know much about mythos" Godwyn is literally Baldur. Perfect. Pure. Shiny. Dies and everything goes to hell. A war between divine beings. And later a tree burns.
@lawrencecummings8534
3 ай бұрын
Dang good parallels
@Punishthefalse
3 ай бұрын
Martin lied as naturally as he breathed.
@Chessheromusic
3 ай бұрын
Of course it is, this story is a form of ragnorak Messmer is thor who massacred the giants The giant Marika cursed to guard the ruinous flame is sutr Marika is like freya A god but a mom first Freya negotiates with everything she deemed with her time that could be harmful like ticking death itself away Marika loses herself in her pursuit of power, until, ironically godwyns death snaps back to who she truly is Then she defies the golden order and shatters the ring. There is not 1:1 of every character as it's taken from several stories But yea godwyn the golden Baldur the golden boy
@MsUndertaker99
3 ай бұрын
@@Chessheromusic good old asian mom Marika "Children, do whatever you want, but if you fail to reach greatness i'll reject and destroy you mercilesly"
@franschristian9878
3 ай бұрын
Kratos: Neg Snap! 😂
@johnwaters1768
3 ай бұрын
the fact that godwyn was the ONLY original child of the golden lineage to be born without any defects was somehow missed by my smooth brain until you said it. that really makes him being the first of the dead that more symbolic thats wild
@TheRealJohnux
3 ай бұрын
There is a theory that Godwyn was patient zero of Deathblight, even before his death. And There might be truth to that.
@Almoniification
2 ай бұрын
What is even more impressive, he was the only child to be born without any defects despite the fact his father is also his brother.
@Marcellius_weave
2 ай бұрын
@@AlmoniificationGodfrey? Godfrey isn’t his brother
@Marcellius_weave
2 ай бұрын
@@AlmoniificationGodfrey? Godfrey isn’t his brother
@Almoniification
2 ай бұрын
@@Marcellius_weave Godrick's rune: "The first demigods were The Elden Lord Godfrey and his offspring, the golden lineage." Finger reader Eina: "Ahh, Great Runes are the stuff of demigods: the children of the goddess, Queen Marika. But remember one thing. The demigods are each and all the direct offspring of Queen Marika." Live with that.
@The5lacker
3 ай бұрын
Something that's important to note about Godwyn's death: As far as he knew, for his whole life, he was *immortal.* His mother had taken the very metaphysical concept of death and hid it away. His enemies could wreak destruction, but part of what might explain his highly diplomatic nature is that he himself was functionally without risk. What's his opponent going to do, kill him? Mom said they couldn't, so they physically *couldn't.*
@rozmarinideas5340
3 ай бұрын
Hmm. When you put it like that, he reminds me of Baldur.
@bisma1352
3 ай бұрын
this also makes me think he would 100% think his mom had him murdered. First she has the rune of death and second the assassins were numen like her. wether she did actually help raani or not, that's gotta hurt for godwyn :(
@crossfire4691
3 ай бұрын
That is such a flex....till it isn't
@themaniae4803
3 ай бұрын
@@rozmarinideas5340Ranni was also a Red Head, like Loki. And he was killed with the only weapon capable to do it. And his death probably was the first step to the Shattering, a war between demigods. And Martin says he don't know norse myth.
@themaniae4803
3 ай бұрын
@@bisma1352If she wanted him dead, she could just send Maliketh, who was known as Death of Demigods, so probably she did it before. Numens close to her could mean her own family before Godhood or something like her Maidens, who also were descendant of Nox, prople very angry at Marika.
@golbez1583
3 ай бұрын
Honestly took Marika’s words as ones of encouragement and warning. Basically, “hey kids, you have the power and potential to be Great at anything; but if you don’t take advantage of this blessing, others that wish to become great will take this power from you.”
@antyey6437
3 ай бұрын
Me wanting 30k runes to put one more lvl into stamina: That's a mighty fine demigod child there, would be a shame of a Foul Tarnished with Bloodhound Fang were to stroll on in and kill em
@KhreamedKhorne
3 ай бұрын
That's not what forsaken means
@pilebunker420
3 ай бұрын
you're correct. marika told them if they want to go to war to become lords or gods and fail they'll be forgotten and leave sacrifices for nothing behind.
@fjodorz3474
3 ай бұрын
This and a reminder that at the end of the day they have only themselves to count on. Something similar is happening in tbe DLC too. It's not cruelty, though horrible, it is just the reality.
@SquishyOfCinder
2 ай бұрын
@@KhreamedKhorneyou deserve to be forsaken if you do nothing with your life as a demigod royal. She literally told them to just do SOMETHING.
@cydude5856
3 ай бұрын
Destined Death is probably my favorite part of the Elden Ring lore. One of the first things Marika ever does to establish her order is seal away true death. But that one decision is why in so many ways she doomed herself and doomed everyone else.
@h20Forward
3 ай бұрын
Like Gwyn stopping progress. Stagnant waters lead to vermin and curses. We need to keep moving forward.
@Laughing_Chinaman
3 ай бұрын
it also seems like everything Marika did was to fight against stagnation she caused when she sealed death
@darkhobo
3 ай бұрын
Sealing death was literally almost the very last thing she did... Seal death. Shatter the Elden Ring. Get usurped by Radagon. You got the timeline all bassakwards man. Like. Every masoleum turtle thing .. a dead Child of Marika. So... She had lots of children we don't know about. That died. (And they are in those Mausoleums so that they don't become infected with Deathblight, which has infected those who received Erdtree Burials.) How do you fight several wars if no one dies? You can't. Yet she fought a series of non stop wars against the Giants. The Dragons. Raya Lucaria. The Gloam Eyes Queen... You can't fight wars if your opponents can't die... Come on people. Use those big pink squishers! Don't just repeat what other people say. Think for yourselves.
@cydude5856
3 ай бұрын
@darkhobo she sealed it away when the golden order began. Pretty much right after the killing of the giants. Leyndell being seiged by dragons, radagon marrying Rennala, and the birth of most demigods happened after the sealing of destined death. The founding of the Roundtable Hold was the first act of establishing the golden order. Destined Death being sealed was almost at the same time.
@cydude5856
3 ай бұрын
@darkhobo I think you misunderstand how death works in the lands between. Since people can't truly die, they are reincarnated by the Erdtree. They still die, but they aren't truly gone. Destined Death is true death, a death that does not allow rebirth. Destined Death existing conflicts with the golden order, which is why Godwyn is the prince of death. Marika didn't have to truly eradicate the souls of her enemies to win against them. The dragons are a different case since they are creatures of gravel and stone that are petrified upon death, making them exempt from Erdtree reincarnation. And every war Marika fought after sealing Destined Death wasn't won by slaughter. It was won by unification. Radagon married Rennala. Godwyn allied with the dragons. Marika subjugated her enemies. She didn't eradicate them. All of that subjugation was the only way she could deal with them because she removed Destined Death from the equation. And that's why she eventually fell.
@Gensolink
3 ай бұрын
16:34 Actually if I remember correctly there's one possible depiction of him, in Loretta's boss arena you can see a statue of Malenia and Miquella hugging a bigger male figure it could be Radagon but it seems Miquella had good relations with his bigger brother, even attempted to give him proper death through an eclipse. He also gave up fundamentalism by the time the halig tree was a thing and I feel honouring his brother one last time by erecting a statue showing his love to him.
@andrewfornes5320
3 ай бұрын
The weirdest thing about that statue, something I saw on reddit but didn't discover myself - Miquella is shown to literally have death blight sprouting out of his ass. The reddit post made an argument that maybe the is a sly way of saying Godwyn was a consort to Miquella before the Promised Consort (not saying the name due to DLC spoilers). I am not saying this is true but the location of the plant looks like it was deliberately placed there.
@00vondough00
3 ай бұрын
@@andrewfornes5320 yep Godwyn was plan a
@ruffgook
2 ай бұрын
Thats statue is godwyn. Not radagon
@dready8192
2 ай бұрын
Its Radahn now
@jackpollard550
3 ай бұрын
I’ve always read Godwyn’s story as the ultimate tragedy. Godwyn, the perfect son, who seems to have genuinely been the best of the demigods, cruelly and callously taken from the world by the selfish ambitions of another, Ranni. With the death of his soul-that’s it. He’s gone, and never coming back. And his body, twisted and malformed, is capable of little else but mocking his image and memory. There's nothing his loved ones can do but try to bury the horror, yet even under the earth, Godwyn’s corpse continues to unthinkingly spread its rot and curse throughout Godwyn’s former home. Fia, meanwhile, is Godwyn’s epilogue. She’s a lonely and desperate woman, attempting to paint her supposed life’s purpose on the canvas of the so-called Lord of Death, like Ahab against Moby Dick. Moby Dick never knew who Ahab was, never cared; Moby Dick was only ever a whale. But to Ahab, it represented so much more, vengeance, rivalry, spite from God Himself. So too does Fia project her wants and desires and hopes and dreams onto dead flesh. She’s delusional. Such is Godwyn’s final memory-even in death, people can’t help but seem to look up to him. Even twisted as he is, he still represents the glory of a new age; but it’s an age he likely would never approve of, will never see, and is likely to only bring further pain to those who loved him.
@Wveth
2 ай бұрын
what? She collects life force from the PC and others specifically to restore Godwyn to some kind of proper life, because she believes he deserves it. She says that explicitly. She is not delusional about the state of his body or soul, else she wouldn't have a plan to transform him. Fia, as a deathbed companion, was used to collect life force from champions for the sake of extending/resurrecting the life of her liege. She is trying to do the same with Godwyn but this time, it's the liege she chooses rather than the one she is forced to serve. I don't think you have a good grasp of her character.
@thepancakemann
2 ай бұрын
Damn homes. Well written.
@JaneDoe-ym7de
Ай бұрын
You are completely wrong about Fia. I don’t think you understand her story, character or purpose.
@kemsat-n6h
3 ай бұрын
4:50 I think it’s funny that we keep talking about why the Golden Order was messed up, when it’s been there the whole time: Marika’s removal of the Rune of Death. The Golden Order is basically the manifestation of Order itself, and things living forever is far from Order actually. To even say life is to infer death, so to remove Death from the equation goes directly against Order, and even calls forth Chaos. Marika’s empire falls apart because she removes Destined Death to protect herself & her children, thereby rejecting Order & invoking Chaos.
@jimbo2553
2 ай бұрын
This was my interpretation as well. I can't recall the exact description but it states the golden order was created and then the rune of destined death was plucked from it. The golden order never even had the chance to work as it was intended.
@ColdNorth0628
2 ай бұрын
The whole point of the golden order is that death is TEMPORARY and that everything will return to the erdtree and come back out.
@themaniae4803
3 ай бұрын
When i saw Godwyn the first time i was scared to see that giant thing move and attack. Instead he's here, alive but in a twisted body horror coma. Damn creepy. About his fish body, it's a Miyazaki thing, also about Shintoism. Kegare is a conception about Death and Blood create corruption of body and spirit. (It's not just a meme, Miyazaki put a lot of Swamp because this or, like Dark Pus in DS3, something stagnant became corrupted)
@Tokyoprism
2 ай бұрын
Would’ve been such a cool fight in such a cool arena but no, instead they opted for generic dragon fight
@dreamz1417
2 ай бұрын
@@TokyoprismAt least he has amazing music and deathblight lightning. Though I dunno, Godwyns corpse doesn't even have a single braincell anymore. It'd be like fighting blob king allant in Demon's Souls except that this one doesn't even move.
@ember4303
2 ай бұрын
@@Tokyoprism it felt like a necessary cop out. They establish in the lore that godwyn's body is an unthinking parasite so how could that be a boss that actively defends itself. I was disappointed too but the implications of godwyn's corpse keeps me up at night all the same
@Tokyoprism
2 ай бұрын
@@ember4303 idk, it’s easy to say the lore prevents something until you realize that the lore can be anything when it’s being written. There’s a lot in ER’s lore that don’t really make sense but rules of how things work were clearly written-in to make things happen the way the writers wanted even if it just comes across as a bunch of “and then, and then, because because”. Godwyn died in soul, not in body. The body is alive & actively spreading deathblight so it is essentially moving in some way, they could’ve just said it still moves on its own without thoughts or feelings or something. Idk, or even just had another giant grotesque beast warped by deathblight that looks equally scary to godwyn come up from the waterfall gaping dragon style & be the bossfight. It just felt like way too sinister & creative of an area to have the most unceremoniously executed generic dragon boss. It was extremely rushed, even the lore reason for it, just “hey what if we just put a dragon in there & say it was a formidable dragon from godwyns past & it’s being projected from his dreams somehow even though his soul is dead & therefor all his memories should be too ok sure moving on”.
@ember4303
2 ай бұрын
@@Tokyoprism ha, I forgot about the gaping dragon, what a cool boss. You're right they definitely could've done anything other than a dragon for that boss, I mean just the environment lends itself to something far more grotesque with the sky box being a gnarly mess of eyes and skin.
@AlexisMitchell87
3 ай бұрын
I honestly don't think Marika is as callous as people assume. I think her message to her children is a *warning* , not a threat. She may feel the statement is true based on everything she's witnessed and her own fate. Her decisions seem to come from panick or desperation and an attempt to undo/mitigate harm.
@MsUndertaker99
3 ай бұрын
Slaughters and genocides everyone and everything in the name of some outer space godlike being, banishes own husband and thousands of loyal people only because that thing said so, realizes that she was just played all this time and does the most "mature" and "reasonalbe" move - "screw you guys, your game sucks and i'm breaking it down". I agree, she isn't callous, she's absolutely fucked up
@ChanceClubs
3 ай бұрын
@@MsUndertaker99The Greater Will clearly misled and withheld secrets about the Golden Order from Marika. She admits so herself when she says she needs to unravel the secrets of the Order in one of her dialogue flashbacks. She is culpable for the killing and mistreatment of many peoples, yes. But she was also being guided and granted power by the Greater Will. Even Ranni serves an Outer God, and has done terrible things in its name. She does not banish the Tarnished and Godfrey for the sake of the Greater Will. It's very plainly laid out that she intended to call them back at a later time, likely with the intention of using them to overrturn the Greater Will, which we eventually do. She doesn’t shatter the Elden Ring just because she was throwing a tantrum. Marika realized that the Greater Will was never going to let her truly have freedom to make her own choices and would always run things behind her back with the Two Fingers and Elden Beast. The Greater Will LITERALLY forced Radagon to merge with her body and take control of her, turning her into a blind loyalist to the Golden Order. And on top of that, the Greater Will did nothing to intervene as her favorite child was savagely butchered and carved into a corpse. In a last ditch moment of darkness and despair and anger to the Greater Will, she shattered the Ring. Was it justified? Perhaps not. But understandable, yes. She's absolutely a war criminal and very selfish, but she's not the monster people try to paint her out to be. If you're looking for people to blame, Ranni is literally responsible for the Shattering Wars and the spreading of Deathroot and corruption through Godwyn's corpse.
@azure4622
3 ай бұрын
@MsUndertaker99 it's just like raiden said "You're not crazy, you're batshit insane!"
@skintagathahotness8456
3 ай бұрын
Right a lot of the lore seems to revolve around demigods trying to break out of the influence of the outer gods. Like Britain’s royal family vs “The Firm” that actually runs the show in The Crown. Godwyn is Princess Diana.
@AlexisMitchell87
3 ай бұрын
@@MsUndertaker99 I just interpreted her actions and motivates differently. Godfrey was exiled because he didn’t want to be there. Marika released him “The Erdtree governs all. The choice is thine. Become one with the Order. Or divest thyself of it. To wallow at the fringes; a powerless upstart." he had a choice divest. She was trying to help but it backfired. We now know she waged war to retaliate against genocide. The DLC gave my theory some credence.
@karlwikman3874
3 ай бұрын
"He can turn friends into foes" You might wanna edit that XD
@KurokishiOcelot
3 ай бұрын
Turns out that making friends into foes is neither remarkable or difficult LMAO I'm glad I'm not the only one who was thrown off by that
@bog7227
3 ай бұрын
Funniest flex ever
@MrSpookersMcGeeThe1st
3 ай бұрын
“So what’re you good at?” “I can make people hate me.”
@marcus8786
3 ай бұрын
He can transform friends into hoes
@steppecist2928
2 ай бұрын
Yeah im a fucking expert at that
@RORIROCKET
3 ай бұрын
I feel like Godwyn never met his omen brothers. I think that's why Marika sent Godfrey away. Seeing the horns from omens she destroyed centuries ago return scared her. So she sent him away and remarried hoping to stave off her sins of the past
@Segaman55
3 ай бұрын
The really interesting thing about godwyn to me is what his state (and the state of all the other soulless demigods in the wandering mausoleums, alongside ranni as an inverse example) says about the function of the soul in elden ring, it seems as though, like in most settings, its the true seat of the mind, but also it seems like a sort of metaphysical glue for the components of the physical body, as seen in the cinematic trailer, the second godwyn's soul dies his body starts producing the insects emblematic of deathblight, and when we see him in game his body has been spreading like some kind of fungus, networks of insect ridden mycelium spreading throughout the roots of the erd tree, his body is still alive but it doesnt know what to do without the soul so its just spreading itself as far and wide as possiblein hopes of self preservation, its a really interesting take on soullessness that i haven't seen anything similar to in other media
@henryteo82
3 ай бұрын
Actually Marika might have been referring to Melinda in the comment to her demigod children. Melinda did not want to become a lord nor a god, she had wanted nothing. Hence, she became the sacrifice, burning the erdtree
@MossOwnsYouYT
3 ай бұрын
This an impressive stream of Elden Ring content approaching the DLC, friend. I look forward to seeing your analysis of the new enemies as well
@hotrodmercury3941
2 ай бұрын
Just knowing his story and looking at his mangled, mutated, destroyed corpse. Knowing he wasnt a terrible dude by a long shot, but more like Baldur or Jesus. A sacrificial lamb. Robbed in rot of a real good death where he could be remembered, rest in peace and whats worse, his own soul was basically removed from his corpse. His body continues to live, becoming a cancer to the lands. His soul is gone forever, not even resting. When I first saw his corpse I thought nothing much of it. But my second playthrough, It gave me pause once I knew the story. Then it felt like I shouldnt be there, I was not welcomed.
@gabrieldehyrule
3 ай бұрын
There is a statue of a long haired male embracing two children at the haligtree, this is presumably a representation of Godwyn with young Malenia and Miquella, as he had a close relation to the latter and he is the only one who fits the description
@andrewfornes5320
3 ай бұрын
I saw a weird theory on Reddit about that statue. They said that Godwyn and Miquella may have been more than just friends. That maybe Godwyn was Miquella's first consort. The reason the poster said that is, when you look at that statue... there is one place on it that is sprouting death blight (the plant tied to Godwyn) Well, the plant looks like it was placed in that spot on purpose... the death blight is literally blooming out of Miquella's ass. I don't know if it was an accident or some game designer having fun or if it does mean something... it is kinda interesting.
@Arcessitor
3 ай бұрын
@@andrewfornes5320 Bruh, take pause and think about what you just wrote.
@imdrunkwithoutbeer
3 ай бұрын
@@Arcessitorlol
@Th3_Raven
3 ай бұрын
@@andrewfornes5320 While the thought of that last part is uh.... disturbing.... Godwyn being a potential consort of Miquella's might be true. Miquella had tried to resurrect Godwyn previously if the Castle Sol ghosts are to be believed. They make reference to failing to blot out the sun to try to bring back Miquella's comrade who remains soulless. The Mausoleum stuff references eclipses to restore souls to fallen demigods. In theory it could've been done to restore Godwyn's soul, but with Radahn holding all celestial bodies in check, it was impossible to do.
@calemguillaume3584
3 ай бұрын
@@Arcessitor ill let it slide because it's pride month
@VeralionRawr
3 ай бұрын
I feel so bad for Fortissax, man.
@darkhobo
3 ай бұрын
Fia is Fortissax... Dragons can turn into humans. (And vice versa thanks to Lancennax, Fortissax's sister) Like. You go into Fia's dream and fight Fortissax. Why would she be dreaming of Fortissax? Then you leave the dream and she's dead. And you get her rune. Kill Fortissax, get Fia's runes. Die in a dream, die in real life. We know Fortissax's sister Lancennax TURNED HUMAN to found the Dragon Cult. We know Godwyns soldiers were partakers of the Dragon Communion. Exile soldiers are only at Godwyns castles and Dragon Communion churches... And we see and fight Lancennax AS A DRAGON OUTSIDE OF THE ONE MONUMENT TO GODWYN IN THE WHOLE GAME! (A monument which says he died by the way. "Fought to the last" means you got overrun.) Not one person asked "so who is secretly a dragon" Like come one people… Chekovs gun! You don't say "there are people who are secretly dragons" and then just NOT have a secret dragon somewhere... Of course it's the sister of the person confirmed to be a Dragon!
@somersaultinggiraffe1901
2 ай бұрын
@@darkhobofirst of all, Fortissax is a male, so STFU
@dreamz1417
2 ай бұрын
@@darkhoboUnlikely, Fia has a whole backstory as deathbed companion for nobles. And she was literally dead outside the lands between till she got revived by grace and chased away from her home to the lands between. And thanks to the DLC we now know how dragon-humans look too, Florissax' human form looks nothing like Fia.
@hughcopson1799
2 ай бұрын
"Marika may not have been the best mother" Messmer, Mohg, and Morgott looking on: "Ya think?"
@ColdNorth0628
2 ай бұрын
Messmer should be the exception because its clear that she was unable to return to him due to the events of the shattering.
@insertedgynamehere___969
3 ай бұрын
10:14 "He can turn friends into foes, " *_what??_*
@jasonpowerz360
3 ай бұрын
My brain the second this video came across my feed: "Oh fuck yes, fatbrett is doing Godwyn now. Sweep everything aside for this immediately" and i did just that.
@IKuzmos
3 ай бұрын
There was a death knight in the trailer with a Godwyn corpse in the background of his arena. Perhaps we will get some highly valuable lore from him in the DLC.
@gravegaming2023
3 ай бұрын
Nope
@plant707
3 ай бұрын
GOD I WISH.
@jimbo2553
2 ай бұрын
Turned out to be guarding his "surrogate" bodies. Interesting that they were twisted as well. So is the storm veil face just another surrogate? The strange thing on the face in the basement is the roots spreading off it do not have the flywings imbedded in them like all other death root, but the root that claims rogier does.
@poppyfrancis7338
3 ай бұрын
Godwyn, Miquella and Malenia are probably the only characters I feel truly sorry for in Elden Ring. Their stories are connected in the most tragic way, and while Radahn may not have deserved to be afflicted with rot, nor Morgott to have lived in service to the golden order despite his cursed blood, but they lived and died doing what they believed with all their hearts was right. Godwyn was just family, and his death, and the subsequent shattering of the elden ring, left Malenia and Miquella without a rock, someone who is strong, but also deeply wise and kind, someone who wants to ease the suffering and confusion caused by the afflictions they were born with.
@alfalldoot6715
3 ай бұрын
One thing I noticed is that in order to fully perfect Miquella's needle, the thing that would have finally cured Malenia, is only done so through the Dragonlord's power. Godwyn was the demigod closest to the dragons and he could have recreated the conditions necessary to perfect it however his death completely severed that option.
@Ryanin2D
3 ай бұрын
Malenia was dishonorable. She had never known defeat...sort of. But when she was getting her ass handed to her by Radahn, she bloomed and plagued an entire continent, including her half brother, just to cause a stalemate. And when you finally put her on the back foot in your fight against her, she blooms agains to summon help from an outer god rather than her own skill.
@karldergrosse-333
3 ай бұрын
Malenia decided it would be better to nuke her own troops, and damn an entire continent just so she didn’t lose to Radhan. I don’t feel sorry for her really. Great character, but I don’t think she deserves pity. Her birth with rot was unfortunate, but that doesn’t give her any right to be a sore loser.
@Boamere
3 ай бұрын
I am wondering if marika discovered that the elden ring was flawed during her research (perhaps something about the greater will) and felt guilty/regret and thus shattered the elden ring. Perhaps she even helped ranni on the night of the black knives. I wonder how much of our story she planned for
@pachinoalex4865
3 ай бұрын
@@Ryanin2DI saw a new theory that melania tries to kill radahn no matter what because miquella is waiting for his promised consort. Meaning, he made a promise a long time ago, and probably revoked later. So, melania comes to kill him, miquella brainwashes mohg, promised he would be his consort but lied, we kill mohg and radahn due to melania failing. Miquella gets mohgs body, uses his body to bring back radahn (we know this because radahns new form has omen horns) and im assuming miquella charms new radahn and his goal is complete. It was a good video, with some very plausible ideas.
@MisterPuck
2 ай бұрын
Ranni’s dialogue makes it pretty clear that she wasn’t really “part” of the Black Knives plot. She helped them in order to further her own ambitions, which was ultimately to free herself from the Golden Order and the Two Fingers. As such, the plan _wasn’t_ to only kill Godwyn’s soul, the plan was to kill him entirely. But Ranni betrayed the Black Knives by using the other half of the curse rune to kill her own body while leaving her soul in tact. Because she did that, the Black Knife Assassins were unable to fully kill Godwyn as intended.
@tinnasell4161
2 ай бұрын
I full-heartedly believe it was Miquella's doing. They researched how to become a god together - him, Malenia and Ranni, as they were chosen as empyreans, and even received Marika's blessing. Miquella learned of the vessel prophecy and decided to steal Godwyn's healthy body for himself. That required a full death, so he came to Melina to seek help. Melina was around during the fall of the GEQ, so she knew of the rune's of death whereabouts. The girl disclosed its location and what it could do, and then promised to get it for him. But she couldn't do it alone, most likely because she went to the land of shadows with Mesmmer or was there already as a soul that died from fire (it's a pity we do not know how spectral life works, maybe Melina was just fine and was marching the Lands Between on Marika's orders and the two demigods' inquiries did not contradict her mother's plans). Alternatively, Miquella and Ranni could have collaborated to call for Melina using the knowledge of spectral beings. Although, they both were researching godhood, they were doing it for different reasons. Miquella wanted to become a god, whereas Ranni did not, so she saw a window of opportunity when Melina came. Ranni stole a fragment, and Miquella forged a set of daggers from it. Then he charmed a group of assassins and gave them an order. It is possible that Melina participated in the assassination directly, but most likely didn't. What he did not know was that Ranni decided to use his plan for her own advantage. With someone's help, she carved half of the rune on her back and then waited for the assassins to find Godwyn. Before they could finish the carving the ritual was already done, which they did not expect. To cover up her tracks, Ranni asked someone to burn her corpse once she collapses. When Miquella learned of this failure he was shocked but did not abandon on his plans. He made a vow to continue and switched to Radahn. Meantime, Marika was freaking out beyond measure. Previously she told her children that they could do whatever they wanted, aspire to achieve anything of their desire, even become a god. And this was the result. Her perfect son perished because someone desired to take her place. The Elden Ring was the cause of her child's death. She was planning to get rid of it, for some time now but it was too late. She did not finish convincing Radagon to shatter it, yet she was forced to proceed immediately before her other children follow Godwyn. There is even a more terrifying possibility. That Marika herself told Miquella and/or Ranni about the rune, not knowing what they were planning and when Godwyn died she realised the grim reality of her previous 'help'. In that case, Melina was never part of the picture and Ranni recognized the spectral steed because she saw Melina riding it frequently. This was the way Melina visited her brother in the land of shadows. In one of her monologues, she mentioned seeing someone crying, and that person was most likely Messmer. Apparently, Melina was the only one who did not abandon him. It seems that Miquella also knew about the spectral steed and borrowed it at least once to check the land of shadow himself. Or it was Miquella's ride all along and he gave it to Melina upon arrival to the land of shadow, allowing her to escape and go find a person to deliver Radahn.
@josephgrove4779
2 ай бұрын
The thing is the Black Knife assassin where controlled by Markia or where at least loyal to her and probably the golden order. Ranni definitely had something to do with the plot as she does state this but she doesn't say that she killed Godwyn. I'm 100% sure she knew it would happen but I don't think she was the main reason for it. Also people forget that she was not alone in this, her brother, shadow, a giant and a soccer, where working along side her.
@AshenVanguard
3 ай бұрын
Your Final Fanatasy XVI video got me here, and I'm glad that I stayed for the long run. Very cool and well put-together videos, that fill the niche I never knew needed filling!
@mubarezahmad8662
3 ай бұрын
His God of War videos are also great
@spartanhawk7637
Ай бұрын
Marika’s line of “should you fail to become anything at all, you will be forsaken” reminds me of Alexander the Great’s answer to who would be his heir. “To the strongest.” It’s a line of logic that makes sense on the surface, but leads to almost endless war and the inevitable civil war of multiple factions all vying for control. The only surprising thing about the Shattering is that there weren’t more upstarts from the golden lineage like a fourth cousin twice removed or something.
@TheScratcherStudios
3 ай бұрын
We do not know if Marikas words towards her children is her rule or a warning about the greater will. She might at this point already doubt the greater will and know what would happen to those who literally "fall from grace".
@alfalldoot6715
3 ай бұрын
Wouldn't make sense because she was the one who took the tarnished grace and banished them, she says as much in the Melina quotes.
@ChanceClubs
3 ай бұрын
@@alfalldoot6715She sent them away with the full intention for them to become stronger and eventually return. It makes sense to me.
@florianchabaud8548
3 ай бұрын
I think she always hated secretly the Erdtree, because SPOILER FROM THE DLC Behind the Shadow Keep lies a village that you can access only by doing an emote in front of a statue. A message reads something like "Feel sadness for the forgotten shamans". The village seems to be Marika's because there's the Minor Erdtree incantation at the center of it, description pretty much confirms it. My guess is the Greater Will wanted Marika to rule the Lands Between, so it forced her to go to the Lands Between and either killed or took the other shamans. Marika planned a vengeance which could only be fulfilled by the Tarnished who came loooooong after.
@thememeilator2633
3 ай бұрын
@@florianchabaud8548 well it was my own fault for ignoring the spoiler warning... i haven`t played the DLC yet but im getting really impatient and just want play it but i can`t buy it yet.
@Boamere
3 ай бұрын
@@florianchabaud8548 Didn't marika grow the erdtree herself? And in the trailer from the DLC she seems to be stealing the elden ring from a corpse of a previous god, perhaps her grandmother or some shaman. Idk, the info I have is not great
@jeffgoode9865
3 ай бұрын
Man, I found your analyses on God of War a couple of months ago and I've just been suckin' down all of your videos like it's my job, since then. You make an awesome video essay everytime, Mr. Brett. 👍
@SquishyOfCinder
2 ай бұрын
7:50 her request/expectations are extremely easy to live up to. She wanted the to do something, ANYTHING with their lives. If you as a demigod literally ended up doing nothing and just squandering that right then you don’t deserve to be one. That’s not cruel, that’s just life. If you end up squandering yoir godhood then why should you have it?
@goodtaste2185
3 ай бұрын
Reminder that Godwyns fate is Rannis doing. She kills her half brother Godwyn and sends you and Blaiid to kill her other brother Radahn.
@dylanchristie7259
3 ай бұрын
I mean killing radahn at this point is more of a mercy kill because the dude is basically a zombie
@Joel-wx7zk
3 ай бұрын
@@dylanchristie7259That and also she needed him to stop holding the stars and therefore keeping fate frozen in place and unable to be altered. Miquela also needed him to die as well for his path.
@donovan4222
2 ай бұрын
Miquella sent Malenia to kill Radahn first though. Also, Ranni may of killed Godwyn for kind of vague (maybe selfish?) reasons, but there was a lot of suffering and lies being caused by the golden order before this happened that was bubbling under the surface. Godwyn was said to be nice, but there’s still mass suffering happening under the golden order, and there is probably no taking out the golden order without going through him. Personally, I went with Ranni’s ending not because I trust Ranni…but because it was the closest ending I could find to telling the gods to f*ck off and let people decide things for themselves in the lands between.
@dash8425
2 ай бұрын
Ranni was cruel in killing Godwyn but she was not unfair. She destroyed her body too, in order to make a world for humans to have free will and be free from gods. Seeing how Marika treated everyone and how the other Empyreans used their power, I'd say Ranni is among the most fair demigods.
@tiacool7978
Ай бұрын
How does her destroying her body make her fair? She literally only did it so she could get the Greater will off her back. I never went with her ending, but the clips showing more of her quest seem to show that even that wasn't enough. Because her fingers seemed to be brutally murdered as well. There is no guarantee in her ending that things are going to be okay.
@LtDanHasNoLegs
3 ай бұрын
Man, I gotta say that these are some of the most entertaining Elden lore videos I have watched. Keep up the great work!
@legofan4409
3 ай бұрын
10:12 "But more than that, he is honorable and noble, he can turn friends into foes" - *Insert Ron Burgundy voice* That doesn't make sense.
@justsomejerseydevilwithint4606
2 ай бұрын
1:55 With the possible exception of Radahn, of course.
@daniels3529
3 ай бұрын
10:16 "he can turn friends into foes" I know some people like that. :p
@thomasburke1128
3 ай бұрын
One thing I feeling like I'm missing from the lore about godwyn is: I've never seen anything saying he was an empyrean. Considering he was the perfect first child, why would other later, imperfect children be chosen over him? Ranni (not interested/not one of "Marrika's" children), Melania (cursed with scarlet rot) and Miquella (cursed with eternal youth) all seem like less worthy candidates for godhood than Marika's special boy. seems a little suspicious to me.
@tuvergalarga6144
3 ай бұрын
Both Malenia and Ranni are related to a an Outer God, this is why they are empyreans, they are meant to husher a new age of a new God Miquella is the most fearsome Empyrean because he doesnt have an outer God attached to him, its his allure, intelligence what makes him an Empyrean
@burghleyimeanberdly6513
2 ай бұрын
I saw Marika's proclamation to her children as more of a warning than a threat, something along the lines of "If you fail to prove yourself worthy of the power you hold, someone else will by taking it from your corpse."
@j.bat.8235
3 ай бұрын
On the Golden lineage, I'd like to point out a parallel with Atlantis as described by Plato. The extremely short version is that Atlantis was a place ruled over by direct discendants of Poseidon, a dinasty of 10 kings that ruled together (Hey there, Rykard. Nice to see you here) and whose first elements were pure and noble (Godwyn) and became progressively more "human", less divine and more flawed by intermingling with the human population up until the point they embraced debauchery and the city was destroyed (Godrick).
@LegaLImmigrnt
3 ай бұрын
16:35 There are statues in the Haligtree of three figures. A young child (Miquella), a one armed women (Malenia), and a third figure. Some believe the third is Godwyn.
@unomauhasard5219
3 ай бұрын
I believe godwyn was conceived before godfrey took serosh on his back. The grafting of a magical beast and the possible corruption of his blood would probably explain why the two other sons ended up as omen. It would also explain why marika got rid of her husband as he was unable to give her additional healthy children. Radagon and marika were probably unable to conceive healthy children as they are doing some sort of inbreeding selfcest. Which would explain mikella’s youth, melina’s rot and whatever messmer has (assuming radagon is his father). The union of renala and radagon created healthy demigods as they were not blood related and healthy.
@LordAlvastar
3 ай бұрын
The birth of healthy royal children is the sign that as a peasant your family isn't going to be put to the sword at some point in a war of succession.
@jalanancrath6589
2 ай бұрын
What
@MurasakiMonogatari
2 ай бұрын
Didn't help the Targs though..if anything, they had too much of a good thing.
@krubereats8877
3 ай бұрын
Ranni destroys brother’s *soul* and causes untold scores of people to live on as miserable undead creatures Ranni fans: nah it’s cool cause blue waifu
@silveryo7678
3 ай бұрын
She helped make the weapon, didn’t orchestrate his death
@mkemia814
3 ай бұрын
Burn the Witch.
@PapaProne
3 ай бұрын
@@silveryo7678 She absolutely orchestrated his death. The only way she could kill her flesh was if she killed someone else's soul at the same time. She chose Godwyn, probably an easy target due to his apparent kindness. The night of the black knives was orchestrated by her, for her.
@silveryo7678
3 ай бұрын
@@PapaProne she absolutely did not, we have no confirmation she ever orchestrated it, she only confirmed she made the murder weapon. That is not a legitimate motive, if anything, godwyn would’ve been one of the most difficult, being the Demi-god who defeated the dragons. To have orchestrated the night she would have needed control over the black knife assassins, there is no evidence that she had any control over them, in fact, the black knife assassins spend the entire game hunting her down to kill her and her “family”. If she was able to to orchestrate the night, why would her assassin group be attempting to kill her afterwards (it’s because she killed herself which wasn’t apart of the plan). The reality is the black knife assassins likely were created or lead by Marika who is a numen, as the black knife assassins are said to be numen woman who had close ties to Marika specifically. That alone is 100x more evidence that marika controlled the assassins than anything that implicates Ranni.
@jellydamgood
3 ай бұрын
@@silveryo7678 she quite literally confirmed it during her quest lol, did you even play the game?
@midgematic8659
2 ай бұрын
Godwyn's body is genuinely disturbing to me, and it took multiple breakdown videos for me to even start understanding wtf I was even LOOKING at. I feel like his corpse is almost a visually perfect idea of cosmic horror; it is grotesque and wrong, incomprehensible to the human mind. Something alive yet definitely not in the way we perceive aliveness. It's horrifying. Its perfect.
@docsavage7163
3 ай бұрын
The part in Gransax’s Bolt’s description saying that Gransax’s assault on Leyndell was the only time in historical record that the city’s defenses had been penetrated makes me question if there was a time that wasn’t recorded. Perhaps Messmer might have assaulted the capital having felt dissatisfied with the tasks Marika gave him in the land of shadow he rebelled and broke through the walls.
@matheussantos9367
2 ай бұрын
Her Demigod children were, ideed, forsaken and sacrificed. We killed all of them in our quest to become Lords. She wasn't wrong nor threatening, she was warning them. "If you don't do something, someone will come and kill your failure ass", which exactly what happens.
@hgbguy
3 ай бұрын
10:14 man i must be a champion because im always turning friends into foes everytime i speak.
@Tapps9977
Ай бұрын
13:18 they attacked him while he was asleep I believe. So they knew they would stand a chance just fighting Godwyn. Really shows how strong he was.
@thasn8ke
3 ай бұрын
All this FBC (FatBrett Content) got me bricked up. Thanks brotha.
@auran5
3 ай бұрын
Honestly, Marika at 7:30 is just asian tiger mom xD I remember mine saying about the same thing. Except "be whatever you want to be" had the caveat of "as long as it's a doctor or lawyer" attached
@THELYRICALTMAN
3 ай бұрын
The more i learn sbout the lore, the more i beed to dove in DEEPER
@futtynucker
3 ай бұрын
14:50 you take a job in customer service.
@unionjakass6589
3 ай бұрын
This is almost beat for beat the death of Arthur Dayne in GoT, a well loved and noble knight who dies mysteriously which then sets off a chain reaction of betrayals, magic, and a shit ton of murder
@GabagoolGang
3 ай бұрын
??? Is there another Arthur Dayne I'm missing? In book and show Arthur was slain by Eddard (and his raiding party) and it's common knowledge in the realm. What makes his death mysterious?
@unionjakass6589
3 ай бұрын
@@GabagoolGang The circumstances of his death are very mysterious and we know very little about it, why did Ned and Arthur fight when they wanted the same thing? Why was Arthur positioned there and not fighting with Rhaegar at the trident? How did Arthur lose to Ned despite Arthur being both older and the more experienced swordsman? There’s a lot about Arthur’s death we just don’t know, that’s why I drew this comparison
@X_xghixts
2 ай бұрын
I’m late but I wanted to lyk that George R. R. Martin(writer of GoT) was also heavily involved in the writing of Elden Rings lore, that might explain it
@unionjakass6589
2 ай бұрын
@@X_xghixts Yeah- I’ll admit I’m not a big fan of rehashing plot points from other works, especially since the older games do the exact same thing with their stories with little variation between them
@DEML91
3 ай бұрын
Two things to correct , first Ranni was his half sister not his cousin, second his that Godwyn wasn't a dragon slayer but he was a champion of the Golden Order and did end the war against the Dragon but not by slaying them and instead he made the dragons into allies of the Golden Order, the Dragons even taught their lighting magic to the Golden Order , this is important because the ritual of dragon communion was seen as "unholy" ritual to gain the power of a dragon but would end in the person becoming cursed and turning into a wyrm.
@PuffnStuff117
3 ай бұрын
*he can turn foes into friends
@dragontear1638
3 ай бұрын
That line, "But should ye fail to become aught at all, ye will be forsaken." I wonder if it had a double meaning, Marika is said to have first mentioned 'be a lord or a god', suggesting she'd have incredibly high expectations, planting the idea of great ambitions, but that she'd also settle for her children at least not completely wasting their lives doing nothing, or falling to temptation. Just a random thought, really in hindsight, if she would have been fine with a child going off to some quiet place and caring for a patch of land, or raising a family.
@Agent_Artemis
3 ай бұрын
10:15 "He can turn friends into foes" Uhh, I think that's the wrong way round lol.
@user-tb7en5rq4q
3 ай бұрын
7:41 - I was originally against Marika but to be honest, I think she's got a point there. Mothers should prepare their children for the world and that's what she is doing. What I hear is "If you stand for your dreams with solid conviction you will succeed. If you do not believe in yourself you will be torn apart". Isn't that the great truth of the world?
@mimikyootxo
3 ай бұрын
I wonder if Godwyn ever knew about his Omen brothers at all. Perhaps they were long shunned by the time he came along. These ER videos are incredible, please continue the series! And thank you for your hard work and thought provoking content. 😊
@MsUndertaker99
3 ай бұрын
Since it's Marika's family, i bet he was raised as perfect firstborn, surrounded only by perfection, order and glory. А perfect son, of a perfect mother in a perfect golden cage, that was hiding all the gross truth from him. Malenia and Miquella were just younger unlucky siblings who deserved only for pity and Omen brothers were way too disgusting to be even mentioned in the presense of our "perfect golden boy"
@ChanceClubs
3 ай бұрын
@@MsUndertaker99 We can't know that for sure. We know he at the very least had a close and warm relationship with Miquella and Malenia, based off of the in game statue of the three of them hugging, and the Golden Epitaph sword. So I'd say Godwyn was definitely exposed to more than his fair share of rough and uncomfortable situations, his siblings were all very varied and complex, many suffering from illnesses and misfortunes.
@MsUndertaker99
3 ай бұрын
@@ChanceClubs everything can be. In my interpretation the whole family of Marika is extremely toxic and twisted, with Marika as the worst of them. That woman is literally the source and the attractor of all the problems in the world and i like her for that
@BlueStraza
3 ай бұрын
Maria's quote was more of a warning to her children that if they do nothing with their status, or power, the Greater will and it's vassals will work against them. She knew what was coming, and wanted her children to know they needed to become a icon of order, or they will fall to someone who is after what they have, kind of like how the Greater Will and the fingers set the Tarnished to take out the demigods.
@HavelsForge
2 ай бұрын
Yeah I really enjoyed this aspect, Godwyn's face/body really piqued my curiosity, especially after I saw his face in a dungeon in the DLC (one of the Death Knight bosses). I really did wish Miyazaki had extended a little more with it, like if you had to fight an echo of Godwyn or a "child" of Godwyn and Fia in a dream at the end, but unfortunately it's just left as is :/
@TitoRohwedder-my1nh
2 ай бұрын
It's really difficult to interpret a story you never get to read from characters you never get to see in a world that died hundreds of years ago, but I will always enjoy a good theory video about it. Keep 'em coming!
@luciferschoice
2 ай бұрын
Godwyn is, by far, my most favorite character in Elden Ring-. Thank you for this video! I'm truly sad there is not much to be found of him in the DLC - only that he actually spread into the Shadwrealm! This really made me gasp when I saw his visage in the dungeons. Spoiler for the DLC endboss: I'm still VERY surprised it was Radahn and not Godwyn who Miquella wanted to bring back?? I was very dissapointed by the fact, because I thought they both got along perfectly, as it was never mentioned whatsoever that Miquella is working together with Radahn edit:typos
@Electronica27
2 ай бұрын
16:10 the theory I see going around that I actually really like is the Japanese alternative version of "ashes to ashes dust to dust." or how we came from stardust. The Japanese think we came from the ocean, there's lots of correlation between death and the ocean in Elden ring, so my guess is that Godwyn's body getting entangled with constantly dying starts growing fish like elements as it continuously dies and comes back to life.
@jarkmonsoon5527
2 ай бұрын
I know it was a small typo but “he was noble! He could turn friends into foes!” Made me chuckle
@jacksabbath7674
Ай бұрын
I bet that Godwin’s new form is a result of his body being embedded in the old roots of the Erdtree which should also be the primordial crucible
@katherineryan7126
2 ай бұрын
A couple notes about Marika’s speech to her children: I interpret the speech as taking place when Marika has already decided to shatter the Elden Ring, after the Night of the Black Knives, so Godwyn wouldn’t have been present for it. I think her saying “Be it a lord, be it a god” suggests she wasn’t planning on being around much longer. Essentially, I think that after the Night of the Black Knives, Marika has a crisis of faith and loses her belief in the Greater Will/Two Fingers, in her Golden Order, and even in herself. She gathers all her demigod children to her and gives this speech to them as a sort of goodbye and a warning. What she’s essentially saying is “I’m not going to be around much longer, and neither is my order. Go out and establish your own lordship/godhood in my place, because if you don’t, someone else will, and you will be made sacrifices to create their new order.” I think this speech is less a threat and more a warning. Marika knows that she’s going to shatter the Elden Ring, shattering herself and her lord as a consequence, and destroy the Golden Order, creating a vacuum. She also knows that this vacuum will not be allowed to stand. Essentially, she’s warning them of the exact scenario which comes to pass: after she shatters the Elden Ring, the demigods all claim Great Runes and attempt to make of themselves that which they desire. They go to war when their ambitions clash, from which all of them fail to emerge victorious, causing the Greater Will to abandon them, just as Marika warned. And, just as Marika warned, the Two Fingers eventually find someone else to fill the vacuum, whom they then specifically instruct to hunt down all the demigods and claim their Great Runes, and in the end, they amount only to sacrifices to facilitate the new lord’s ascension. Just as Marika warned.
@cosseybomb
2 ай бұрын
There's a really huge oversight in this video. Its fairly obvious that Marika didn't say her children would be potentially sacrificed out of spite.
@zacharychaber1791
2 ай бұрын
I belive that when godwynes soul died that it left his body open to possession and that either the god of death or one of its envoys took it, we clearly see that people are capable of being possessed like the fire giant haveing the fellgod in his chest or marika having the elden beast inside her, but corpses can be as well like shabiri taking yuras body for himself
@bcfb21
2 ай бұрын
Spoilers for sote Godwyn should’ve been miquella’s consort if they were so desperate for more incest in the story.
@rolotomassi8767
2 ай бұрын
Marika’s words about her children becoming “sacrifices” could be another implication about Melina. We know virtually nothing about her other than that she suggests her mother is Marika. All of Marika’s children and step children became great or notorious lords, but Melina is utterly obscure like the lesser-known sister of a famous sibling. The lore of the walking mausoleums states that Marika had other “children” who became nothing and are ignored, hence why we can use their husks to regain remembrances. Melina might be exactly the same as the mausoleum descendants but special, “burned and bodiless” like a sacrifice, and we give her to the giants flame in order to open the way to the erd tree. Perhaps she was born in secret as part of Marika’s plot against Radagon, and it’s why she’s so adamant about her purpose to kill herself since it’s the only purpose she’s ever known and quite literally why she was born. Even further than that are the implications of the frenzy flame ending which proves that Melina’s sacrifice was a necessity for two reasons. I interpret Melina’s purple eye as a manifestation of the Gloam-eyed queen who was defeated and sealed. By sacrificing Melina, we’re essentially helping Marika’s plan and killing two birds with one stone.
@KaedeSenou
3 ай бұрын
13:38 I need not have been a bloody battle. If one of the black knives-who are totally invisible-got behind him, they’d be able to get in a backstab, which would break his poise and have him on his knees…. You know, they way he’s depicted being killed. After that, they grab his arms. Grab attacks are notoriously hard to escape, and you have no choice but to let the whole animation play out. If the keep him stunlocked by constantly hitting him with grab attacks… That’s not even counting the fact they’re a gank squad. Goldwyn never stood a chance.
@WobblesandBean
24 күн бұрын
Marika did it. She colluded with Ranni, she wanted to take him out to spare him from her fate. She knew he was most likely to ascend after her if she'd left him alive. It was an act of mercy, at least she saw it that way.
@jackgrove4621
3 ай бұрын
everything goes south when he dies. Just like Baldur.
@Joesmho23
3 ай бұрын
I’m back to consuming every bit of from soft content again
@PsychoticWolfie
2 ай бұрын
With the DLC's in-game lore, it's essentially been confirmed that Melina is Miquella & Malenia's younger sister. Also worth noting that the Omenborn in the main game are likely shunned because of their horns, because Marika and her people (the Numen Shamans) were subjugated and horribly tortured by the Hornsent, a race of people who used to rule over the Lands Between, and also had these same crucible-related horns. Marika herself was likely the one who had them persecuted, due to a hatred for the Hornsent (though Omenborn and Hornsent are NOT the same race)
@Spike2276
2 ай бұрын
Marika saying that if her children fail to become anything at all they would "amount only to sacrifices" isn't her being harsh, it's her telling the demigods how things are. All of them claimed pieces of the Elden Ring in the form of great runes, and those runes would be needed to bring about a new age. So failing to become a lord or a god means you are nothing but fodder for the next contender to be disposed of for your great rune, it's also probably why Ranni just gave up her own great rune as to not be a target.
@Kazuhira2249
2 ай бұрын
after all this time i kinda grew fond of his dead body form, at first it gave me the creeps but nowadays i just go "oh godwyn is here" when i find him in a dungeon or something and even in death his knights are still loyal to him idk about fia's shenanigans though also even miquella respected him, and after the dlc for miquella to truly respect someone means a lot i would even go so far as to say miquella envied him, after all godwyn could compell others to be loyal to him without resorting to mind control
@DallionPaw
3 ай бұрын
Pretty sure there is a painting of Godwyn's face in what would be the room Fia sits in the real Roundtable Hold, in the corner of the room by where the mirror is.
@SupportHomelandDivision
3 ай бұрын
I honestly look forward to your videos, the way you view and explain games is so captivating. Thank you for making great videos! Keep it up.
@trolliffy115
Ай бұрын
Godwyn was never brave as he could never die. It gives me baldur vibes and that knife was his mistletoe. Or the kryptonite to his superman. "You're not a God, you were never even a man"
@MrFabulous_of_Astora
3 ай бұрын
RE: Godwyn's 'life' in his new form, does he feel, etc etc. Based on what we've seen in the game, I had the impression that Godwyn, because he died in soul, is functionally gone. His body goes on, but without a soul, his body has no animating intelligence. There is no one at the wheel. Which just makes Godwyn's current form absolutely horrifying to me. That head under Stormveil gets me every time.
@greendogg83
3 ай бұрын
yeah, Godwyn is long gone, his body has become something else, something very wrong, obscene and unprecedented, but not Godwyn anymore. Ranni isn't quite so evil as some incorrect interpretations would make it seem.
@ChanceClubs
3 ай бұрын
@@greendogg83The incorrect translation argument is so overused lol. There isn't anything to debate over, Ranni literally admits to being directly responsible for Godwyn's death. It is because of her betrayal to her brother for selfish reasons that dooms the Lands Between to endless war and rotting Deathroot that corrupts everything it touches.
@greendogg83
3 ай бұрын
@@ChanceClubs I wasn't talking about Ranni's guilt, i was talking about Godwyn being doomed to undeath, when he isn't, because she killed his soul, so he isn't suffering, it is just his flesh that was left behind, which makes her less of a cunt. She is def responsible for killing him.
@acoldite2035
2 ай бұрын
There is no way marika would’ve let godwyn die, he was THE golden boy for her. She shattered the Elden ring in her fury of his death.
@EvraeFrelia
Ай бұрын
The issue with Marika I feel can be explained courtesy of the Frenzied Flame. You need to sacrifice or give up something to attain that power. Since Marika became the vassal for the Elden Ring, her own body housed its might and therefore the Elden Beast itself. She literally gave herself up to it, so it could be argued that she didn’t truly have control of herself. The Golden Order is/was entirely about control, not of oneself but the control granted to the outer gods. Marika shattering the Elden Ring following Godwyn’s death could be seen visually as far as what happened to her. Her body is broken and shattered with the Elden Ring visible within her; in a fit of grief or desperate attempt to free herself and her children. Like a puppet breaking its own porcelain skin. Puppets play another major part in the game, puppets dance to the movements of the hands, the fingers pulling the strings. But once the puppets’ strings are cut, they no longer know what to do and flail around and or die. Like all the demigod children who eventually meet the same gruesome fate of their parents.
@i3looi2
2 ай бұрын
5:30 There's also a statue depicting what seems to be Godwyn embracing the childrens: Miquella and Malenia.
@algorithmicabyss4150
2 ай бұрын
Given the context gained in the DLC I think that marika's harsh words was a warning learned from her own youth, gain power or others will use you as a sacrafice
@W.H.138
2 ай бұрын
Marika being an absent mother comes from three sources. Melina's surprise at Boc's closeness to his mum. Messmer's abandonment and her whole spiel on go do whatever you want and die idgaf. However, Melina was an amnesiac, so that could just be her not remembering her childhood, the go and die spiel likely happened after Godwyn was gone, when Marika has been well and truly spirit broken, and Messmer's situation is confusing. She seems to really care for him, which was why she tried to seal the curse and made a special cure all potion for him, and messmer loves her back very much, so why abandon him then? Was it fear that he would follow in his sister's footsteps and rebel thanks to his serpentine nature? Did she want to bring him back but couldn't because of the whole crucifixion? Was Marika really just a bad mum or was it more of a deterioration due to loss after loss?
@GenericHeretic
3 ай бұрын
I feel that Mama M words are a warning. She may not be omnipotent but she is a god she may saw what potential future is coming and wants her children to prepare
@zmangkrd5312
2 ай бұрын
It baffled me when we saw a little image of his corpse at the bottom of Stormveil, something I just recently discovered and this games been out for 2 years.
@angrybabbu
2 ай бұрын
I saw the rampant growth of his corpse to be a representation of death feeding off of an infinite immortal source. If we assume that immortality is a large shared pool of power, godwyn dying might be like a floodgate opening, this immortal power being funneled through one 'deathly' filter and being manifested as death root.
@rasenpapi5653
2 ай бұрын
Marika being in on the NoBK is chilling but also very possible. thanks to SOTE we know now that marika became a god partially out of spite for the hornsent after they systematically tortured and murdered her people. For a long time, being a god may have been a pleasant arrangement even with its stressful parts. But as time went on she may have started to hate godhood under the greater will because it was just a new form of servitude. St.Trina tells us to not let miquella become a god because it would be like a prison, perhaps they came to this conclusion while watching how being a god had affected their mother. the NoBK couldve been 1 step in marika and ranni's plan to dismantle the golden order and remove the tyrannical rule of the greater will from the lands between. in 1 fell swoop they could both sever the most promising empyrean's(ranni) ties to the greater will, AND take down its ideal and most devoted agent(godwyn). However, regardless if she intentionally destroyed the elden ring, or did it out of psychosis from losing her perfect son, Marika was punished and trapped by the greater will inside the erdtree, showing that their plan had failed We know from the description of the numen rune and numen bio in the character creator that theyre not from the lands between and may be from a different star all together. there is a reason that the hornsent used them to create their spirals and jars, because the numen's bodies were surprisingly good at meshing with others and also produced a sort of divine thread when treated accordingly. These divine threads that seemingly make up the elden ring. Ranni's age of stars might be a future that marika wanted to see, because she herself has travelled the stars. The shaman village in the land of shadows is stated to be where "marika first set foot" and not necessarily where she was born, meaning that she herself may have been a numen who travelled the stars before. There is a very good chance that Marika's views and motives aligned with Ranni, it all just depends on if she was truly loyal to the greater will or not.
@rjart7988
Ай бұрын
When are you posting about LEDA? She is such an intriguing character!!!! Also about Trina.
@ravenshrike
2 ай бұрын
The Great Runes inscribed in Marika's offspring's bodies do not allow for the direct betrayal of the Two Fingers and the Greater Will. That is why Ranni had to split her spirit away from her body so as to allow her to directly act against them, and why Marika leant her her personal squad of assassins. This is also why Marika was crucified after shattering the Ring in defiance of the Golden Order.
@abrakadabra4966
3 ай бұрын
When Marika was warning her children. "Should you fail you will become nothing but sacrifices" was her telling them the player characters tarnished was gonna hit them with big stick really really hard.
@giovannigiorgio831
2 ай бұрын
Ironically, in order to escape a fate she didn’t choose, Ranni forced a fate upon Goldwyn that he didn’t choose.
@GameFlix2022
2 ай бұрын
Well, the golden order ended because Godwyn was the one to shatter the elden ring. He revived after dying and put an end to his golden order era, and became a monster of some sort. Godwyn is Gurranq himself. Teaching the arts of the death, and surviving on deathroot. No wonder after killing Maliketh, Gurranq is still around.
@deepism
2 ай бұрын
The DLC confirms Melina is sister to Messmer, son of Marika (Messmer's Kindling item description). Given she is the Gloam-eyed Queen, confirmed by the Lord of Frenzy ending if Melina was not sacrificed to burn the Erdtree, it makes sense why Melina would harbor such a grudge against her own mother so much as to attempt to kill her and burn the Erdtree herself. Messmer and Melina likely conspired against their mother after Messmer's banishment, but that part is what I think.
@NewNewColt
2 ай бұрын
6:58 Also entirely possible this is said to her children after Godwyn dies. Basically an indirect warning she is breaking the elden ring so they’re all going to be on their own now. Rogier tells us Godwyn dies then later the elden ring is shattered.
@nexuvareldari7418
23 күн бұрын
Actually it’s possible that the event which shatters the Elden ring is Godwyn’s “death” essentially because only half of the rune was carved on him he experiences pseudo death, or death in spirit, whilst Ranni gets the other half, gaining bodily death. Essentially for Ranni to escape influence from her two fingers she needed the shattering to occur. It’s just a theory though, A GAME THEORY!!
@necrodeath7726
2 ай бұрын
Marika's quote carries a different connotation if you consider it's said after the shattering, when all of them began fighting each other, and after the death of Godwyn. She was done with all of their shit at this point.
@pandan-cake
2 ай бұрын
im pretty sure the reason his body is so distorted is because the crucible still lingers (i think) which is constantly distorting his body.
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