The Heresy, I think, started life in a similar way to the clone wars in Star Wars. A mythical historical event, mentioned once but always with more in mind
@tdnavy1066
2 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@the_9ent
2 жыл бұрын
Except the HH back-filling was so much better.
@nutyyyy
Жыл бұрын
And much like the Clone Wars the result kinda sucked and ruined all the mystery of the setting. The Horus Heresy was supposed to be so long ago that it was unknowable. There was something clearly wrong with the Imperium but nobody remembered what it was like before, everything was framed in the religious ferver and superstition of the 41st Millenium, the past was lost in deep time, like the Iliad or the Gospels but far more ancient. It made the universe of 40k seem much deeper and broader. But once we knew it was more a case of everything being just the same. 30k is just 40k with a few minor tweaks. The Imperium in 30k is barely different to 40k. Even the name Horus Heresy was supposed to be a much later name, none at the time would have called it a Heresy. It was an ancient origin myth for the Imperium, maybe it never even happened.
@mapleflag6518
Жыл бұрын
@@nutyyyy The clone wars wasn’t meant to be unknowable what the hell are you talking about. By your logic ESB sucked because it ruined the sense of mystery of the Empire’s full power or what the Force is like or what other planets are there.
@JustBearly
Жыл бұрын
@@the_9ent dude what are you on? The clone wars is way more consistently good, with way less dumb moments that make no sense. On top of that, it actually sets itself apart from the first trilogy and stays consistent with the prequels
@Inquisdrknss
3 жыл бұрын
I always just assumed Horus was a concept from the beginning considering how much of the lore revolves around the Heresy.
@Bluecho4
3 жыл бұрын
It's amazing the degree to which a single after-the-fact addition to the lore of a series could grow to dominate it. To use a non-Warhammer example, over in the Green Lantern comics, the presence of multiple different colored lantern corps is a huge factor, despite being a relatively new element. (Only the -Yellow- Sinestro Corps and Star Sapphires really existed prior to Geoff Johns taking control of the franchise, and they were retroactively altered to fit the "color/emotional spectrum" angle).
@dirkmaes3786
3 жыл бұрын
I think they wouldn't call it 40K if they didn't have at least some general idea about what caused all this. It didn't had to be super in depth like the HH, but you need a reference frame to build a fantasy universe that gets continuously developed alongside the "present" world to prevent that from becoming a bunch of random bullshit.
@willmosse3684
3 жыл бұрын
It’s funny looking back, because my best pal had the original Rogue Trader 40k book back in the late 80s when we were kids, and we got really into it for a few years. I’ve recently come back to the 40K universe and am listening to the HH audiobook series (about 30 books in now). It’s good seeing this video because the focus now seems quite different to how I remembered it, but I wasn’t sure if it was just me misremembering. In the original Rogue Trader book I remember it being much more like Lord of the Rings in space, with quite a heavy Star Wars influence. The Orks were far and away the main antagonists for the humans/Space Marines, and were probably as big a part of it as the Marines. And the Space Marines were clearly an exaggerated take on the Storm Troopers from Star Wars. And the 40K Emperor was also an exaggerated version of the Emperor from Star Wars (who was yet to be called Palpatine or Sideos). The Eldar were space Elves, and the squats (dwarves) were a lot more prominent - in fact I don’t know if they exist in it any more at all. I then got that first Realm of Chaos book he mentioned in the video which introduced the Chaos gods Khorne and Slaanesh, and then a year or so later the second Realm of Chaos book which introduced Nurgle and Tzeench came out. And the monthly White Dwarf magazine introduced more and more chaos into the 40K universe, but I don’t remember anything about Horus or primarchs, and it still seemed to me like basically Lord of the Rings in space with this new chaos element added. But I was very into LoTR, so maybe saw it more through that lens. Interesting to see this guy confirm the changes, in part at least. It’s still very obviously the same thing, but also quite different.
@jonathanvogt4341
3 жыл бұрын
@@willmosse3684 the fact that the setting can evolve to and from is awesome in and of itself, if we haven't killed ourselves off as a species in 20 to 30 years it would be interesting to see how it has changed.
@willmosse3684
3 жыл бұрын
@@jonathanvogt4341 - yeah, it’s fascinating seeing it from when i was 10 years old to 40. Will be amazing to see what it is when I’m 70…
@pendantblade6361
3 жыл бұрын
It's wild how Primarchs became a thing so late, who knew! This was I assume the age when Marines were grunts in power armor instead of transhuman warrior monks.
@ArbitorIan
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah it's around the same time that change happened. In RT they were hypno-indoctrinated crazy criminals but a 'fortress monastery' was still shown. I think the stat change happened around early 88. And then it took most of the 90s to get them to the level of grimdark they are now!
@cypher4783
3 жыл бұрын
@@ArbitorIan I would like to point out their still hypno indoctrinated crazies. Are still my favorite bunch of fiction lunatics
@WankerTheWetFingers
3 жыл бұрын
Sounds like Starcraft marines.
@conorkelly947
3 жыл бұрын
@@WankerTheWetFingers there's a reason for that...
@LucianCanad
3 жыл бұрын
@@WankerTheWetFingers "You wanna piece o' me, boi?"
@cerocero2817
3 жыл бұрын
Imagine how differently 40K would have evolved without primarchs and chaos. Or with horus having hair.
@widdershins5383
3 жыл бұрын
If he had Abaddon’s topknot haha that’s truly where the power lies hahaha
@JohnSmith-dd8bf
3 жыл бұрын
Star Trek, you would have Star Trek.
@jeremymao3854
3 жыл бұрын
OMG hahahaha
@JohnathanJWells
3 жыл бұрын
I would be up for a different manifestation of demons
@danielbateman6518
3 жыл бұрын
@@JohnSmith-dd8bf it would be dystopian star trek, kinda like the alternate reality in the DS9 series but worse.
@RaptorShadow
3 жыл бұрын
Your look back into the origin of these well known parts of 40k lore is just an absolute joy to watch!
@ArbitorIan
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@spaceman9599
Жыл бұрын
Indeed. Lore gold! Well done Ian
@MasterShake9000
3 жыл бұрын
Regarding your questioning of whether the Horus Heresy was truly an invention to explain Epic using the same Titans for both forces or not, there’s two anecdotes that seem relevant here. The first is from IIRC a RP interview that an Oldhammer blog did a long time ago. Basically, the inquisition was never meant to exist in 40k. When 40k started, it had a very tight budget and limited production slots. This meant RP had to get creative about using the full GW range and using minis he otherwise wouldn’t have used. Fex, the 40k races are largely what they are because it allowed for reusing WHFB Orcs, Elves, etc with a few weapon swaps as Space Orks, Eldar Exodites, etc. Originally, only Marines were meant to have power armour, but the sculptors created minis that had PA but didn’t really fit RP’s criteria for Marines for one reason or another. He couldn’t really “afford” to not use them, since he couldn’t directly replace them with another sculpt, so they’d still get used. In some cases, they stayed Marines. Examples would be some of the early Marines with more fantasy style leg armour or with alien weapons. But some went too far, such as minis with super weird helmets or one particular meant-to-be Terminator covered in esoteric runes. These became the first Inquisition models, and are why the early lore was somewhat contradictory on stating that the Marines’ black carapace was required to use PA, yet non-Marine models clearly had PA (which they eventually resolved by saying the carapace is required only for getting the armour’s full potential). ANYHOO, I bring that up because Rogue Trader makes extensive use of 2000 AD comics for its aesthetic, as you know. Judge Dredd is the most infamous, but by far not the only one. ABC Warriors features a robot soldier that worships a “Khaos” religion. Nemesis the Warlock is about a fascist earth renamed Termite, where the Grand Inquisitor and his Terminators hunt down a rogue psychic alien - it’s also where the Marine tactical squad symbol (upward arrow) comes from (in the comic it’s a reoccurring background graffiti of a stylized atomic mushroom cloud indicating radioactive danger). And in Rogue Trooper, the drama centers on a Traitor General who betrays his genetically-enhanced super soldiers at what is literally known in the comic as the “dropsite massacre”. Point being - it seems highly plausible to me that what happened is that when Epic was developed and they realized the conundrum of using duplicate forces in the starter set, they did what they had always done (like with the Inquisitor minis) and borrowed whatever concepts could get them by. Rick Priestley in the interview seemed to imply he hadn’t wanted much, for lack of a better term, “Christian” influence on the setting. So it’s likely the original Inquisition was meant to simply be a Nemesis the Warlock rip-off (ie basic fascists in space hunting aliens) without the medieval Christian themes of faith and heresy and the related Sisters of Battle aesthetics that came later. And similarly, it would have been five minutes of work to simply adapt Rogue Trooper’s “Traitor General” concept to the barebones RT background to hand wave why the Epic starter set contained identical-looking forces. None of this is meant to imply that what GW did was rubbish or any less creative or unique or interesting. I just think modern gamers don’t know or don’t appreciate how “seat of the pants” early GW was when it came to the creation and expansion of the 40k universe and product line. GW originally assumed RT had a good chance of failure due to it not being a historicals or fantasy-based game. It’s why RP was forced to essentially develop RT as a re-skinned WHFB/WHFRP system with the same races, and why the original beakies were partially based on what was then GW’s best-selling range (WHFB Chaos Warriors - this is from the GW deposition in the Chapterhouse Studios lawsuit, btw). I suspect Rick Priestley’s initial wish to avoid Chaos in 40k was likely due to wanting to avoid the at-the-time growing “satanic panic” controversy in the US and elsewhere over Dungeons and Dragons by not having any sort of fake religion in the 40k setting. Ironically, the setting would ultimately be defined as a universe almost primarily defined by its two main fake religions of the God-Emperor and the Ruinous Powers.
@gregoryspatisserie9858
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing that , very interesting.
@fernandozavaletabustos205
2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting information!
@fredEVOIX
2 жыл бұрын
and just like rulebooks and older magazines which I have pretty much all read since rogue trader..your comment was BETTER than the actual horus heresy books what a disappointement, they should add a new chaos god the one of void and boredom
@heresyinsider
3 жыл бұрын
These kind of retrospectives are like a comfy blanket for me. Good job. Hoping for a chaos dwarf retrospective
@Dustbinlid1
3 жыл бұрын
It's rare that YT recommends something on a channel I've never heard of and I end up thinking "damn, where have you been all this time"....this is one of those time. Awesome
@widdershins5383
3 жыл бұрын
It’s a black hole of entertainment lol you don’t even need to play the table top, there’s enough other video games and books to cover it all lol not to mention all the fan made stuff on KZitem that’s amazing
@JudgeENZA
3 жыл бұрын
Yep this just happened to me
@CrimsonTemplar2
3 жыл бұрын
Great retrospective. Like a lot of 40K lore, things have successively evolved.
@widdershins5383
3 жыл бұрын
Good, everything should evolve because anything static is left behind
@jonathanvogt4341
3 жыл бұрын
@@widdershins5383 i literally just commented on another place about how in 20 to 30 years it would be interesting to see how it has changed
@samcashc
3 жыл бұрын
Really enjoy this type of content looking back on the development of these stories. As much as I enjoy reading wikis and nitpicking lore, it often ends up feeling pointless; not really getting context as to when and why such and such species or confrontation was imagined or fleshed out. Can't wait for the next video!
@bruhb7611
3 жыл бұрын
Can’t wait to see a retrospective on the tyranids on how they changed from the older xenomorph looking monsters to the bug swarm of today.
@77tacko
2 жыл бұрын
I think the first outing for the Tyranids was Advanced Space Crusade. Think Space Hulk in a Tyranid Hive Ship; where instead of Terminators you faced the hoard down with….checks notes…Space Marine Scouts!?! (Their first outing also I think.) It wasn’t very good.
@Delveintohobby
3 жыл бұрын
13:37 such a legendary piece of art, I remember poring over all the details when I got into the lore about 10 years ago.
@NicholasBrakespear
3 жыл бұрын
Discovering 40k in my teens, this uncertainty was something I loved - I first heard the story of the Emperor and the golden thrown from a friend who was heavily into 40k. Because I heard it second-hand, it had already evolved into a chinese whispers of mythology, which somehow made it seem more real; that I learned the story the way people in the 40k universe would learn the story.
@danielmoreira1802
Жыл бұрын
I've watched a few of your vids now, and though I'll never play or collect, the lore, story is so dense, old and detailed it has me intrigued! As someone very new to this, your videos are great!
@clanpsi
3 жыл бұрын
It still blows my mind that GW hasn't made a Horus Heresy movie trilogy yet. Film 1: The unification of Terra, the Crusade and finding the sons, culminating with the war against The Beast. Film 2: The fall of Horus, culminating in The Drop Site Massacre of Istvaan V. Film 3: Brother vs. Brother, Son vs. Father, and aftermath.
@NailBombEnjoyer
3 жыл бұрын
As someone who's never really got into the series loads but has collected Orks and space marines with my dad when I was younger, this is really enjoyable to watch and makes 40K a lot more accessible to others who are interested, these videos obviously take a lot of time to make and I'm glad it isn't going unnoticed.
@ZEK.0
3 жыл бұрын
Can’t believe I’ve only just found out about this channel! I love it! Keep up the good work!
@ArbitorIan
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@JamesRansom
3 жыл бұрын
This was epic. Amazing job. Brought me back to my childhood as I grew up watching this story develop into what it has become today.
@Т1000-м1и
Жыл бұрын
The fact that there are so many books on it made everything clear. But how did it manage to remain a small niche community?
@nickjohnstone14
3 жыл бұрын
Great summary. I've been trying to understand the hobby again after almost three decades away. This explains how it's evolved and how to make sense of the dozens of products released since I stopped playing.
@russellg5022
Жыл бұрын
Having seen this, I find it easier to forgive recent retcons...
@kabnoot
7 ай бұрын
Its crazy to me that the horus heresy story is like the Bible of 40k. A story 10 thousand years old. Mythical sounding yet based in truth. I can't imagine the horrors one would see during the siege of the imperial palace.
@Tatsumaruishida
3 жыл бұрын
Old School, old 40k player right here, I started back in 94' and I've just had my mind blown that story of the Eisenstein dates all the way back to the 1988!
@simonphelon7221
3 жыл бұрын
I kind of dropped out of the hobby back in 1991, I wish I'd kept my old models. I was rather confused when I got back into it about 2015. Everything was familiar enough that I just thought I'd just forgotten all the details. I've still got Adeptus Titanicus - it's still a great game.
@davidrichardson6900
3 жыл бұрын
Genuinely one of the most interesting 40k videos I’ve watched in a while. I’d love to know the real world stories of the creation of the legions and primarchs. Would be so interesting to know which order they were thought up in, and whether any were created to round out the numbers!
@Ny-kelCameron
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you, thank you!! I've been asking other WH40k 'lore' channels this for months now, with most not replying or having no idea or clue about it. I have clarity now.
@sinistrality7883
Жыл бұрын
I just like the Idea that someone at GW came up with "Horus Heresy" and they thought it was such a good Alliteration that they just had to make a story about it.
@Stimm002
3 жыл бұрын
When I first got into 40k, the primarks, were literally myths. There was almost nothing written about them and what there was, was written in a way that implied they were legends and obscure ones at that. Nothing was "known" about them in universe and in real life. It was so intriguing.
@Tommytakanawa
Жыл бұрын
Primarchs*
@VoxFelis
3 жыл бұрын
Honestly. This is one of the best lore videos I've ever seen. Really deserves more viewers.
@shiggityx2
3 жыл бұрын
The Horus Heresy sounds like it's directly based off of Paradise Lost, even down to the "1/3rd of the Imperium forces."
@tinyfishhobby3138
3 жыл бұрын
It definitely takes a lot of inspiration from it. Fun fact: I realized that when we had to read the opening portions of Paradise Lost in a college literature class. Imagine my surprise when I suddenly realized how much of that sounded somewhat familiar.
@thewildcardperson
2 жыл бұрын
@@tinyfishhobby3138 oh thats always fun seeing the parody before the reference
@tinyfishhobby3138
2 жыл бұрын
@@thewildcardperson Yep, I got to have a good laugh to myself. Wait, you mean Satan and half of his angels were thrown out of Heaven, where have I heard a similar story before? 😂
@Mouthwash019283
23 күн бұрын
@@tinyfishhobby3138a third of his angels. And it's from the Book of Revelation!
@6Stevo
3 жыл бұрын
Nice nostalgic trip down memory lane. It's interesting how much of the core story is very much the same as those early bits of lore.
@PKM9107
3 жыл бұрын
Just found your channel a few days ago and I gotta say I’m loving it so far. I really like how you go over not just in universe lore but real world lore and how things have changed over time. Showing your face makes things a lot more personable and relatable as well! As someone born in 1999 that’s still pretty new to Warhammer(Making my way through the Horus Heresy and hundreds of lore KZitem videos right now) I gotta say I’m loving your channel. Can’t wait to see what the future holds for you!
@duncanself5111
3 жыл бұрын
Fascinating video mate! All the old artwork takes me back to my childhood and thumbing through my brothers' White Dwarf magazines and my imagination racing at all the epic imagery. I'm now I'm a big fan of the lore as an "adult"
@joperhop
3 жыл бұрын
I have wanted a video, or something that explains how the horus heresy grew in lore, all i ever found was horus heresy lore and not its changes since the 80s, and by the Allfather this is perfect! have a sub for your saga telling!
@catfish552
3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic! This is a perspective on 40k I've been missing. You always hear about how the lore evolved over time, but it can be difficult to retrace those changes in hindsight.
@wesbrown3831
2 жыл бұрын
Ian, you are a walking talking encyclopedia. The way you seamlessly tie in everything from modules, storyline, art and multiple types of games(ccg, wargames,etc...) and books to create an accurate briefing, is amazing. You have made it easier for this American to become more immersed in such a wonderful British treasure. Thank you!!!
@TheNAWorks
6 ай бұрын
hey thanks for making this video. it’s really useful to understand things as they developed over time with different releases in the warhammer brand
@NikHem343
2 жыл бұрын
I have literally no idea about WH40K, but I enjoy these videos THOROUGHLY
@userb3nje909
9 ай бұрын
Facinating to think that a lot of the events of the HH where planned way back in the early days. I never knew this. Great vid! Thanks for doing the research!
@Tacsponge
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I've always struggled to find info on the real world history of the game! Enjoyed this and your badab video. Hope to see more
@SleeplessRonin
3 жыл бұрын
By the Emperor... I've been playing since 2E and I'm learning new stuff from these videos!
@kennethhancox4646
Жыл бұрын
Very well laid out timelines and information on hh. Thanks for confirming the longevity of the heresy. 24 books in now after a break for a few years. Hoping to finish in the near future
@MasterofMistakes
3 жыл бұрын
Loved the detail sad you did not mention(like from "Codex Compliant") that Horus had more hair in the 80's, will always make me laugh!
@kharnthebetrayer1575
3 жыл бұрын
Man I feel old and haven’t even started the video. I started on 2nd edition. Still have the 1st Grey Knights that came out in White Dwarf . Edit: i did start on Rogue trader ending days.
@slimtim84
Жыл бұрын
@ArbitorIan thank you so much for making these lore videos. I'm just getting into WH40K lore and I've been binge watching your videos.
@stevenesbitt3528
3 жыл бұрын
I have loved Sci fi for years, this story is incredible, by far and away the best series of books in a Sci fi setting I have ever Read.
@jackstarro9100
Жыл бұрын
Did you ever do the follow-up video you mentioned about the history of the art direction in Heresy? Would LOVE to see that!
@ForelliBoy
Жыл бұрын
ngl the Golden Throne as a Gigeresque suction toilet (get it, throne?) makes a LOT more sense
@Mugdorna
3 жыл бұрын
I was first introduced to 40K in the late 1993. Heady days. (maybe White Dwarf 180-190?) Stopped playing about 15 years ago, Stopped painting about 12 years ago. Stopped collecting about 8 years ago. All 3 are separate but connected hobbies!! The 30 year "Imperial marine" was the last thing I bought. Really liked this recap. I have read all 50+ of the Horus Heresy books. Taking my time to tackle the "Siege of Terra" ones.
@Janovich
3 жыл бұрын
Man that was great. Thanks for sharing
@Taargkrizzt
2 жыл бұрын
randomly stumpled upon this, awesome! I Happend to have all of the material used as refference :)
@iESCAP1SM
3 жыл бұрын
I’ll always remember Fulgrim as one of my favorite HH books. The setting, characters and slow spread of corruption was so well depicted and made for a really good read. It’s the one I would recommend if I only got to vouch for the one.
@turnipslop3822
3 жыл бұрын
This type of video is fascinating. There are many videos explaining what the Horus Heresy is now, but none explaining how it came to be. This honestly helped clear up a lot of the confusion with different sources saying different things. Great research and amazing presentation. Looking forward to the next video!
@redpillow7221
3 жыл бұрын
This makes me nostalgic for the 40k of old. I miss those black and white illustrations. I miss when the game had that charm. I still like it, but there's something missing now.
@Ploppy316
2 жыл бұрын
Ahhhh the good ol' days!
@cookie2000ad
3 жыл бұрын
So there I was a few weeks ago, watching some KZitem video about the Horus Heresy, and suddenly remembered some cardboard punch-out board game about Horus and his battle barge I got with White Dwarf when I was in my early teens, and thought wait, was all this stuff there from the start? And here you are answering my question, other questions I didn't even know I had, and reminding me of the name of the game! Thank you so much, what an awesome summary.
@ArbitorIan
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Gary (from my Tale of Four Gamers series) found an intact copy of that WD on ebay so we might do a play through in the next few weeks!
@NotTehJon
Жыл бұрын
love how the 1st edition of Space Marine has GW "borrowing" scarface for the cover lmao
@AlexMorbid
2 жыл бұрын
Outstanding work! Thank you!
@jamesfarrell2097
3 жыл бұрын
Really keen to see your art direction video after watching this one!
@geddysciple
3 жыл бұрын
As someone fairly new to the franchise, having this presented as publication history provides a lot of clarity. A lot of other lore videos are really well done, but focus on presenting the current polished narrative. You've done a terrific job here of weaving internal narrative with real world publication history to help make sense of the jumble!
@thepinne1
3 жыл бұрын
Gonna be honest. Clicked on the video in the hope to get a somewhat coherent summary of the Black Library books. However, your way of speaking and introducing new elements made me stay to watch a summary on the lore behind a board game that I have never had any interest in. Well done!
@hunterwaguespack3963
3 жыл бұрын
I have major respect for the early additions of Warhammer for Setting up the universe I fell in love with but honestly I’m kind of glad I didn’t get into it until I did when a lot of the lore was more fleshed out,I’m not sure which addition it was but I’m pretty sure it was a little before the primaris were introduced. And my favorite faction/lore would have to be chaos, I just love the stories focusing on them
@hunterwaguespack3963
3 жыл бұрын
I did know about Warhammer long before that point but I never really got into it(like some people) I thought any Lore was just the backdrop for the table top game until I stumbled across a few novels and realized how deep it went
@livingthedream0527
3 жыл бұрын
This video was amazing, really engaging too. I respect anyone who actually cares about looking into art direction so keen to see that.
@Moffen9T
3 жыл бұрын
Seeing you lay out the almost organic growth of the Heresy like this was really nice! Coming from someone whose first step into 40k was the Dawn of War games, followed by the Horus Heresy novels, it gave me a better appreciation for the constraints that the writers were working with. Also, this video might have been the only time I've reacted positively to the appearance of Lord Commander Eidolon. And you're right about Legion being one of (if not) the best Heresy novel.
@1Korlash
3 жыл бұрын
That was fantastic stuff. It's crazy to think how much the Horus Heresy has grown in prevalence over the past twenty years.
@AlternicityBlogspot
2 жыл бұрын
Great video, I will share this with my sons.
@ConnorLundeen
Жыл бұрын
As someone currently reading through Battle For the Abyss, I can appreciate the comment, "Some of them were terrible."
@warface4881
3 жыл бұрын
I don't even play this game but every week I geek out on various lore videos.
@paulsyrah
Жыл бұрын
I remember at college circa 90/92 hunting through my Realm of Chaos books, Rogue Trader and White Dwarfs for as many Primarch names as possible.
@Arthon32
3 жыл бұрын
I'm 3 minutes in and I'm blown away that the flight of the Eisenstein was canon before the concept of the primarchs
@cantstraferight
3 жыл бұрын
Just want to say that after having a look through your channel and watching a few videos you are possibly my favorite new channel.
@ArbitorIan
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@kinglear2832
3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic 40k video, mate!
@JontysCorner
Жыл бұрын
I think a huge point you kinda glossed over here was the short story 'The Assault on Earth' by Bill King which I think was in the same WD as the Warmaster game. It's the first full, if light on detail, telling of the culmination of the Heresy
@brennanneaton3062
3 жыл бұрын
This is amazing! I’ve always wondered if the lore was at least partially established when warhammer first came out. Subbed!
@SpanishDio
3 жыл бұрын
Excellent Video!
@getting2hired
3 жыл бұрын
Love the detail and background of how the narrative was built out!
@GothamAmbService
3 жыл бұрын
Incredible video
@simonszymanski1853
Жыл бұрын
Wow! This is such a great summary of a really interesting topic. Great work!
@mamrdevpraze
2 жыл бұрын
8:30 "Say hello to my little friend!"
@awakeandwatching953
3 жыл бұрын
great work, did not know Astarte's as a name for marines dated that far back
@Gurfbagel
3 жыл бұрын
Great video, thanks for sharing your knowledge. It's a facsinating universe to learn about.
@dornfist3913
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video @Arbitor Ian! I only knew about the Heresy from some codexes and the novel series. I only recently discovered the old White Dwarf articles haha. Man it is so nice to take a trip through history to see how stuff was like before.
@3DPrintingRockets
3 жыл бұрын
YES I WANT A VIDEO ABOUT THE ART. I love every piece of it and a deep dive will be nuts
@YingTongIddleEyePo
3 жыл бұрын
Just stumbled across this, excellent video. Don't play the game myself but have read the entire Heresy so far (and now working my way through the new post 9th ed books) really interesting to see the real world history of how it came together.
@shamuschannel682
3 жыл бұрын
I just am kinda discovering warhammer 40k, your videos are freaking fascinating. I am absolutely astounded at the vastness of all of this…… reslly incredible. I can’t help thinking it would make the most incredible MMO game - if there was ever a company able to do it justice .
@DavidLantz88
Жыл бұрын
Currently reading Black Legion. It's so good. Definitely worth a read. Ian this would be a great pick for your book series.
@minipaintingforyou
3 жыл бұрын
Researching this must have been a huge time sink. Thank you for sharing.
@andyhall109
3 жыл бұрын
Really like your stuff. Your postulations are close, but don't underestimate the cost of plastic injection moulding and how that can be a driver for the accompanying lore.
@connor638
3 жыл бұрын
Really loved the historical development information. I came into Warhammer with the Heresy novels so crazy that it was all added retrospectively.
@AW-wf2dx
3 жыл бұрын
I enjoy your approach to publication history, and hope you keep this bibliographic focus moving forward. Subbed.
@Maya_Ruinz
3 жыл бұрын
This video takes me back, I still remember buying second hand the Chaos Codex back in 98 from a random book store in Dallas TX. I went on a long hunt with my parents through tons of book stores and came across a lot of the older White Dwarf magazines but the original codex materials very rare even in 98. Today I don't really feel like I have come across anything all that different from the original lore except that now the story is moved forward about 600-700 years, into the 42nd millennium. I really feel like a lot of the artwork that came out around 3rd edition really was the peak for 40k, it was incredibly grotesque, very spikey and the muddy artwork really left a lot to the imagination.
@imaginaryatlas
3 жыл бұрын
Great retrospective. Love these vids.
@WilhelmScreamer
Жыл бұрын
I love this aproach to the discussion of Warhammer, moving away from monolithic interpretations and showing how it became something
@sejannus877
3 жыл бұрын
Wow! What a gem of a video!
@YvesSMASH
3 жыл бұрын
This was awesome! Really love your pacing, attention to detail and educated speculation.
@LinkiePup
Жыл бұрын
Though The main series of Heresy books are coming to an end, there are still thousands of wars that take place in 30K that I don’t imagine that GW will stop making novels in the Heresy Era anytime soon.
@britinmadrid
3 жыл бұрын
High quality and accessible breakdown - cheers!
@ktg8030
2 жыл бұрын
I got to know Jervis during the Epic Armageddon playtesting days and he confirmed he chose the Horus Heresy because of the cost of the Titan sprue, and that was carried forward with Epic Space Marine v1, which also has both sides sharing the same sprues. It wasn't until the success of those games did they start designing race/army specific sprues. My favorite days wargaming btw.
@CoolCraftCool
2 жыл бұрын
We got the Great Scouring and loss of the Primarches to fill the gap between Horus Heresy and War Of the Beast. Now we know what they were all leading upto maybe a Black Crusades run will be able to really flesh out things from Abaddon perspective as he tries to keep the forces of Chaos together like hearding Dogs, Cats and Squirals at the same time would be fun!
@TheCrazierz
Жыл бұрын
The vision of horus heresy books $500 to $2000 damn.
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