I ride the Catrike 700 and I find that many riders cannot fathom being matched or passed by an older dude on an "Old Mans Trike." It is clearly an ego thing on their part sadly. They will burn by me with a lot of energy and I can see the their bikes wobble as they lose the pedaling efficiency. I usually catch up and cruise by at a really great pace as I am conserving energy. I ring my little bell and rarely see them again further along. It was not like that for the first few months of riding the 700. The more I rode, the more in-tune I became with the 700. I even removed my big third ring because I never use it. Climbing hills and starting from the stop is still slower but the top end is hard to beat. I really enjoy your videos and you both have really taught me a lot about riding in general. Thank you so much for taking the time to do all of this.
@Olyphoto7
Жыл бұрын
I love it! 😂
@bikestrikesrazors
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching, Lawrence and thanks for the comment! Even though I've been riding a "fast" trike for years now, I'm still surprised by what it can do on the flats.
@markfeldman6509
Жыл бұрын
I am a 71 year old guy who rides a Catrike 700 for speed and a 559 for long cruising rides. I blow by everybody in my 700. Folks are amazed the trike is an extraordinary piece of equipment …so fast and so stable and so aerodynamic. People ask me where I have my e assist and I tell them it is run by a an old man with and old natural motor. They look the trike over and just shake their heads.
@100PercentAllAmericanMan
Жыл бұрын
@@markfeldman6509 I was asked about an electric motor the other day. This fella, nice fella, commented that the Electric motor I had was fast. I don't have one. I have a Catrike Expedition as well. My wife rides that rarely. I am 53 and I am looking forward to years of riding with a recumbent trike.
@meancuisine8
Жыл бұрын
@@markfeldman6509i friggin' love it!!! Keep pedaling Bro!
@garyp.7501
Жыл бұрын
I used to commute 23 miles each way to work with a 1500 ft elevation gain going and 1000ft return. I have a Cruzbike recumbent and an older DF road bike. Over the distance the recumbent had higher speeds on the flats and downhill but lower speeds on the long climbs so that it was a minute or two slower in total time on average over multiple runs. The key that made the most difference was stop lights. If I was unlucky that run was slower. Cool to see that the trike has a similar results.
@bikestrikesrazors
Жыл бұрын
Hey, Gary! Yes, the trike is definitely challenged on any kind of climbing.
@garyseckel295
Жыл бұрын
That was too neat! A bicycle advantage is that both thrust and load pulses tend to center more closer to center of tires. A trike advantage is that frontal-area aerodynamic drag can be less.
@bikestrikesrazors
Жыл бұрын
Hey Gary! we had some complaints that Joe wasn't in the drops, so we'll have to try this again. :)
@taiwan1895
Жыл бұрын
What was producing that otherworldly, Outer Limits kind of sound during the first race?
@bikestrikesrazors
Жыл бұрын
Jim! That's some kind of noise suppression software that's built into the camera. When a strong wind hits the camera, it creates some strange sounds!
@Olyphoto7
Жыл бұрын
VTX is an impressive trike. Glad to see you two back out racing. I hope you didn’t have any problems with all the rain. We have sunshine and mid-sixties, so we’re going for a ride 😊
@bikestrikesrazors
Жыл бұрын
Hey Dan! We had some sun this morning, but the rain is coming back tomorrow. :( So far, we haven't floated away. :)
@Olyphoto7
Жыл бұрын
@@bikestrikesrazors rain is coming back tomorrow for us too.
@bikestrikesrazors
Жыл бұрын
@@Olyphoto7 Boo! :)
@jamesmchugo9422
7 ай бұрын
Impressive. Cool video, keep them coming. 👍
@bikestrikesrazors
7 ай бұрын
Thanks very much for watching, James!
@evanking920
Жыл бұрын
That was very interesting, I was sure the road bike would be at an advantage. What was the grade of your test track?. I would like to see the same test with Joe on the Trike, and a test going up a rise also. I notice that my wife, on her VTX, has good acceleration at speed on a slight down grade. There seems to be a "Sweet Spot" where the VTX can overcome a road bike. The advantage is eliminated if there is any increase in grade. I assume your next video will be after the upcoming Atmospheric River unless you demonstrate Bikes and Trikes in torrential downpours.HA
@bikestrikesrazors
Жыл бұрын
Hey Evan! Yes, it started on a slight downhill, flattened out pretty quickly and then at the end there was just a very slight upgrade. I've experienced that issue while on upgrades as well. Racing a bike up a hill would be disastrous for the VTX. :)
@nsixvl
Жыл бұрын
I have to ask if the rider of the road bike is fully conditioned for the upright riding style. I found when riding recumbents all the time my conditioning on an upright suffered. I currently ride an old Catrike 700, but also ride a 6 speed Brompton folder on grocery runs. I can get faster speeds on the Brompton if there's no headwind. However I recently had a heart attack about 3 months ago and all my comparisons are null and void until I more fully recover.
@bikestrikesrazors
Жыл бұрын
Hi and thanks for watching! Sorry to hear about your heart attack, and hope you recover your fitness quickly. Joe rides his road bike about as much as his trike. We've had some comments about him not being in the drops for the sprint, so we're going to have to try it this race again with him in the drops!
@rossbrumby1957
Жыл бұрын
You looked to be starting in a much higher gear than you should have- and higher than the bike's gear at the start. Can you get a nosecone for that trike to test for aerodynamic improvement? I've seen touring trikes with them before. Would be great to see just what a difference they make.
@bikestrikesrazors
Жыл бұрын
Hey Ross! I started in my large chain ring, so I wouldn't have to try and shift while holding the camera. It did cause a slow start off the line, but it only took a few seconds before I was at a good cadence. I have a fairing for my Rans Rocket and it does help with the speed, but for all the trouble (smell of plastic-extra weight-lack of visibility), not as much as you'd think! I only get about 2 mph more speed with the fairing.
@fourutubez7294
Жыл бұрын
@@bikestrikesrazors The British Human Power Club reckon a tail fairing is a lot better at reducing drag on a trike.
@bikestrikesrazors
Жыл бұрын
@@fourutubez7294 I've heard that! Also, front wheel covers seem to help quite a bit.
@mikldude9376
Жыл бұрын
Nice effort guys , That's surprising , I thought for sure the lighter bike would easily out run the trike .
@bikestrikesrazors
Жыл бұрын
So did I! :)
@meancuisine8
Жыл бұрын
Fun content!!! Keep it coming!!!
@bikestrikesrazors
Жыл бұрын
Thanks, Christopher! We're going to be trying this again with Joe in the drops to see if he can improve his speed. :)
@vorpalbits7720
Жыл бұрын
Depends on the engine. I pass many road bikes on my CT2.0, but also get passed often. The VTX is my next tadpole of choice, got to have more than one, eh?.
@bikestrikesrazors
Жыл бұрын
But they take up sooo much space! :)
@mobilemiall
Жыл бұрын
This would be an interesting test over 40-60 minutes on an actual road course. On the same course, it would be interesting to see you two swap bikes.
@bikestrikesrazors
Жыл бұрын
Good ideas for future videos! Thanks Mark, and thanks for watching!
@lestercohen9398
Жыл бұрын
How is that VTX is 36# ? ICE specs it at 30#.
@bikestrikesrazors
Жыл бұрын
My guess is that they’re basing their weight on a stripped-down trike. All I can tell you is that once I have all the needed gear to actually ride the trike, mine comes in at around 36 pounds. Of course it’s always possible to build up lighter wheels, get lighter pedals, leave off the rear fender and head rest and so on to lighten the trike up.
@ricardosemino8133
Жыл бұрын
Un abrazo desde Perú muy buen video
@bikestrikesrazors
Жыл бұрын
Greeting from California, Ricardo!
@alancampbell1161
Жыл бұрын
The bike has some weight advantage off the line, then the trike's aerodynamic advantage kicks in at speed.
@bikestrikesrazors
Жыл бұрын
That looks to be exactly what’s happening, Alan. We’re going to try this again soon with me in the drops on the BMC to see if we can get the road bike position a little more aero. Thanks for watching!
@hellopsp180
2 ай бұрын
I think the clipping in Test was not really a "Fair" test. On a trike, I would almost always stay clipped in except if I need to get off for whatever reason.
@bikestrikesrazors
2 ай бұрын
That’s true! I’m sure the clipping in slowed me down a few seconds. Thanks for watching!
@hellopsp180
2 ай бұрын
@@bikestrikesrazors #Restest maybe? hehehehe :D
@bikestrikesrazors
2 ай бұрын
@@hellopsp180 Maybe!
@andy-the-gardener
8 ай бұрын
this is not surprising. the aero of the racing trike is much better than a road bike...akin to a time trial bike, but probably still better. i ride both road bike and a catrike 700 and the 700 has a much higher top speed. maybe 3 to 5mph better, although it does have covered front wheels and aero disc wheel. the road bike is still faster on a hilly route but not much. the 700 is way more aero and you can lay down nearly as much watts as when standing on a road bike. ppl make the mistake of assuming a road biker can generate the same watts as a triker when sitting. BIG MISTAKE. the fully reclined facing trike is even better for wattage than more upright trikes, at least for more athletic riders. imagine if the vtx was as light as that road bike lol.
@bikestrikesrazors
8 ай бұрын
I’d really like to try the VTX with wheel covers like you have on your 700, Andy. Even if I just picked up a couple of MPH’s it would make an already impressively fast trike even more impressive. From all reports, it sounds like the VTX and the 700 are very similar in the speed department. Do you know what kind of speed boost you’re getting from the wheel covers?
@ВалентинВасильович-и1ф
Жыл бұрын
Вітаю, скільки коштує троколісний байк?
@bikestrikesrazors
Жыл бұрын
Вітаю, Валентин! Це залежить від марки. Вони починаються від 1200,00 доларів США до 7000,00 доларів США. У США є досить хороший ринок вживаних речей, де їх можна знайти за півціни або навіть менше, якщо вам пощастить.
@ВалентинВасильович-и1ф
Жыл бұрын
@@bikestrikesrazors Це чудово.... Дякую.
@mattconsolver9909
Жыл бұрын
The guy on the bike was not sprinting, he was always in the hoods never in the drops you can also tell because the trike guy was winded but the bike guy was not. I have both a trike and road bike and the bike is 2-3 miles per hour faster on average.
@johnsimion2893
Жыл бұрын
I noticed that, too. Staying on the hoods in a sprint makes no sense. The road bike is already aerodynamically disadvantaged, but the drops are there to reduce the drag. He hit a "wall of wind" (6:17) because he shouldn't be on the hoods when racing!
@bikestrikesrazors
Жыл бұрын
Hi Matt and thanks for your comment! I asked Joe why he wasn't in the drops and he said he thought he generated more power from the hoods. We'll try it again with him in the drops!
@DemiGod..
6 ай бұрын
vtx is 36lbs? ice quote it's weight at 30.5 lbs
@bikestrikesrazors
6 ай бұрын
I think the ICE weight is based on a stripped down trike. Once I added the pedals and other accessories, I wound up at around 36 pounds.
@DemiGod..
10 күн бұрын
Have you considered carbon wheels to save weight?
@fredsage9122
Жыл бұрын
You need a more competent bike rider for an accurate comparison. This rider had his hands on the tops instead of the drops and as a result, was sitting almost bolt upright. There's a huge aerodynamic drag penalty as compared to hands on the drops in an aerodynamic tuck. With no regard to aerodynamics, (the trike's main advantage), there was no way the bike was going to win.
@bikestrikesrazors
Жыл бұрын
Hi Fred and thanks for your comment. I asked Joe why he wasn't in the drops and he said he thought he had more power on the hoods. We will now definitely need to try this again with him in the drops.
@conniehoyle2669
Жыл бұрын
Fun
@bikestrikesrazors
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching, Connie!
@ianlindridge5378
Жыл бұрын
Sell the video to ICE as a promotional advert video.......
@bikestrikesrazors
Жыл бұрын
LOL!
@fredsage9122
Жыл бұрын
Once again, Joe is demonstrating his lack of competency. He's more comfortable on the tops than the drops, but there's no way he develops more power on the tops. Look at the pro's sprinting; they're all down on the drops in an aerodynamic position. Look at it logically; on the tops you're just maintaining your position. There's no way you can pull up or push down on the tops. However, in the drops, you're easily able to push and pull coindicent with your cadence to increase power because you're actually grabbing the handlebar with as much grip as you can muster. In fact, while on the drops you can brace your forearm against the handlbar to gain additional leverage. You need a better rider for a valid comparison.
@bikestrikesrazors
Жыл бұрын
Hey, Fred! We’re going back out in a week or so to try this again with Joe in the drops. We’ll see what happens!
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