THERE IS AN INDIE ANIMATION WAR?!?!?! Here's my nuke for ya Skibidi Toilet is a succesful Indie Animation series better than those 2
@zacquinn
6 ай бұрын
Honestly I respect that (also love your work fr)
@M4N14C4L
6 ай бұрын
I want to say this is funny but we just lost
@alejandrolozano4919
6 ай бұрын
AYO 😂
@carnage0685
6 ай бұрын
Did you really accidentally say the n word in a stream lol
@Epilogueandprologuelover
6 ай бұрын
@@zacquinnHey should my favorite indie animation even get popular or should I pray it doesn’t get discovered?
@Cloud-zb8lw
7 ай бұрын
I don’t understand either. Both Viv and Goose are really good friends Hell Goose is still working for Viv.
@AwesomeFunclassic2.0
7 ай бұрын
Don’t worry fandoms are just evil sometimes in the internet
@Yami-mugoni613
6 ай бұрын
I seen more beef from Lackadaisy and the Hazbin series ngl
@BelBelle468
6 ай бұрын
@@Yami-mugoni613 and even that’s so stupid. So many of these ppl are peers. They aren’t going to be happy to hear the discourse and vitriol thrown around. Theres less “competition” than they think. They have such a warped perception of the industry. It’s consumer culture where they tie their self worth to the things they like and consume, since they can’t make things for themselves. Then they go to bat for “their show”. It’s lame
@Huppa3333
4 ай бұрын
@Yami-mugoni613 The Lackadaisy and Hazbin beef has more weight to it, but also for dumb reasons. No matter what the animators involved with Lackadaisy thought of Vivziepop, they still shouldn't had been rude to begin with, and neither should they had been so shady in handling and rejecting the $5K donation by Spindlehorse.
@SeaManalt-mg9ol
4 ай бұрын
i just hope they won't make a tadc and hazbin crossover
@stacyyyowo
7 ай бұрын
Indie animation is not a contest.
@Otterluz
6 ай бұрын
LITERALLY THEY ARE ALL GOOD
@idk77623
4 ай бұрын
it's that simple!
@Austin-zc9gp
7 ай бұрын
I’m glad you were sincere when you said you are not a big fan of Helluva Boss and Hazbin Hotel. I get it both shows are not for everyone. I agree that it is stupid that people are comparing those two show to Amazing Digital Circus. And I do feel bad for the people who are producing other indie shows and are not getting the recognition that they also deserve.
@Sylv_the_Weirdo
7 ай бұрын
agreed
@ieuansmith518
7 ай бұрын
Preach brother, PREACH!
@NapaCat
4 ай бұрын
Yeah, esp when HH/HB is a comedy with non-psychological but still horror elements, TADC is a psychological horror.
@Pebbsi_official
28 күн бұрын
@@NapaCat hh/hb are just comedy
@GreenBunnyTNT.
7 ай бұрын
I remember when the cartoon crave awards announced BFDI has the best indie animation all the helluva boss fans started to angry and fight with the BFDI fans.
@Ch3zzIts
7 ай бұрын
i was siding with the bfdi fans even if i didn’t have an account to help
@joeyravioli
7 ай бұрын
internet era 7644: "war of the worst"
@Z_64is_iscool
7 ай бұрын
Dude that was just hilarious to watch… most Helluva fans just were mad and didn’t respect the show due to its demographic…
@all-aroundhelper
7 ай бұрын
I felt like the voting part of BFDI, helped a lot too for that. And I'm sure glad it won though
@Nonagonab1
7 ай бұрын
Cuz a funni show with objects is better then demon show (idk I haven't watched hazbin hotel or helluva boss is it that good as it looks?)
@IconicResemblance
7 ай бұрын
Why do people have to compare everything man, why can't we all just be happy for each other. Indie animation should be celebrated together instead of it being like a competition.
@jessejarmon2100
7 ай бұрын
It's tribalism, pure and simple.
@joebin3106
6 ай бұрын
Because competition creates innovation
@gabe373
6 ай бұрын
@@joebin3106 No..Necessity creates innovation. Petty internet drama is not necessary.
@PestilentAllosaurus
6 ай бұрын
At least not everyone is like that. I just simply enjoy the different animations or different things throughout my life. Never cared about the console wars, just simply enjoyed what I had without any negativity for comparison/competition. It's absurd to me how toxic fans can be. For Anything. Oh you like this dinosaur game?!? But this dinosaur game is Much better!!!!¡¡!! Like... just enjoy both or sure, voice a thing you personally don't like but don't make it personal in this toxic way. Like the Day of Dragons game for example, I personally extremely dislike how it cake out, all the dev drama, and how it's continually being ran.... hooowever. I would *_never_* hate on, or attack a person who does enjoy it. I'd love the game, but I just can't personally support certain things is all. For animation it's even crazier to me. I'm baffled why people cannot just enjoy the shows or if it's not up your taste then okay- but don't be toxic to people who do enjoy it.
@Lunapink93
6 ай бұрын
Because comparison builds innovation and promotes discovery. You compare two things and then some says “what about this show tho” and suddenly your exposed another indie project.
@TheBruheak
7 ай бұрын
She Hazbin on my Hotel till I digital circus
@davidthebest3443
7 ай бұрын
Yo what’s good
@ZuRtIS_cUrTiS
7 ай бұрын
Yo when’s the Baldi video gonna be done
@SliceShorts2016
7 ай бұрын
Verbalase ❤
@SliceShorts2016
7 ай бұрын
Loona x Octavia ❤
@TheEpicGBX
7 ай бұрын
But that's when I Monkey on her Wretch until she Lackadaisy.
@renjaay
7 ай бұрын
i still believe lackadaisy didn't get nearly as enough of attention as it should've. lots of views, sure, but there's not the constant talk about it like there was during hazbin hotel's long development so so unfortunate since i recently discovered it and now there's not as much hype for it anymore it was stunning in terms of visuals, sound design, voice acting, premise, everything
@fanaticalistic
7 ай бұрын
Maybe it should have a side series like how hazbin had helluva to feed the fans so they didn't forget about it.
@suonnagan123
7 ай бұрын
Actually it's not that good. Hazbin in it's pilot has two songs and establishes it's main goal there. Helluva do the same with it's pilot plus establish all of the main characters and did it quick and fun. Lackadaisy has waaaaay to slow of a pacing for nowadays audience, music wasn't catchy, visuals are fighting with it's own original style, they can't break model as easily and emote more vividly like in a comic, and it established only main trio (but they are actually shown like pretty bland characters) and the main goal for an audience, who didn't read the comic is iffy. Also my very personal opinion on all of the other projects and why they are never gonna be as popular as Viv's - sex apple. Seriously, characters are SEXY and it's even more engaging to look at them, to ship them, to theorize who sleep with whom, and it's merchendizable! People nowadays shame sex so much but sex still sells and this is why HB and HH works like a clockwork. Yeah we sure get a lot of rule 34 on Pomni but, it's a fast fading fad. And Lackadaisy's characters are just cats and not everyone is into a Furry stuff.
@Gumdropsss
7 ай бұрын
Dont give up on lackadaisy! Its being produced rn and we got enough for 5 episodes i believe! :) Im confident itll have its time once its out!! :D
@user-h3li05
7 ай бұрын
Look, you either have a hyped up work with toxic fandom or you have a underrated work with super chilled fans. HH & HB crazy fans are devouring the fandom itself. With great fame comes great toxicity.
@Yami-mugoni613
6 ай бұрын
@@user-h3li05if you avoid Twitter and such the fandom is mainly chill
@darkmetal2412
7 ай бұрын
1:13 TADC and Helluva boss fans fighting while us Murder Drones fans just sitting in the corner enjoying our milkshakes Let them fight JK
@optimusfan1007
7 ай бұрын
And don’t forget the BFDI fans asking the MD fans if they want a Yoyleberry in their shake…
@galacticpotato833
6 ай бұрын
It kinda feels like it, i like md maybe not to say a full fletched fan, but honestly i didn't even knew about the comparisons
@stepmanialdash
5 ай бұрын
@@optimusfan1007 gildedguy's story fans are giving away sum coco nutz, port by the sea fans are tryna buy some candy from a nearby shop, and rwby fans, uhhh... they're down in the hadal zone
@TheRealSuperKirby
4 ай бұрын
Aren't the murder drones fans too busy fighting themselves?
@darkmetal2412
4 ай бұрын
@@TheRealSuperKirby Ever since the Nuzi ship "won" it got real quiet... I guess all the shippers calmed down. N x Uzi shipper case: Quiet Content. Every other shippers case: Quiet Depression Lol
@cathal534
7 ай бұрын
im just realizing now that spooky month has like no hatred even tho the creator sr pelo is a crazed man he still has not controversy
@nickolas78gr24
7 ай бұрын
Heck he even accidentally said the n-word on stream and didn't get in trouble.
@Pamela-dv7gb
7 ай бұрын
@@nickolas78gr24he is black, he have the n-word pass
@Randomyoutuber-4831
7 ай бұрын
@@nickolas78gr24 wait he did?
@hellfoxwolf14
7 ай бұрын
He made a Joke about 9/11 and still nobody got mad.
@Wroar2020s
7 ай бұрын
i remembered how twitter users digged up his past tweets about shad. even tho twitter tried to cancel him.. It failed i think (Idk.. I deleted my twt acc so idk the full context lol)
@theownerofthisaccount2521
7 ай бұрын
I always vouch for Murder Drones to get more love. Digital Circus taking over the world but the show before it, Murder Drones, is also a really well made show that deserves attention
@bella_daze3092
7 ай бұрын
I agree man😭😭😭
@Mr.Dr.Professor
7 ай бұрын
Preach!
@SliceShorts2016
7 ай бұрын
Helluva boss has the best writing because Loona is so hot
@Spamtonthedude_
7 ай бұрын
@@SliceShorts2016you’re right for the wrong reason
@bestevil.
7 ай бұрын
Meta Runner tho...
@Sylv_the_Weirdo
7 ай бұрын
I'm kinda new to the community considering, but the thing is- they're all good! I love hazbin, helluva, tadc, lackadaisy, spooky month, atlas and the stars, murder drones, and soooo many others. I love all of them and they all hold a part of my heart. GLITCHX prob helped calm some stuff down, but I really wish there was less internet wars over them. Tbh someone should make a playlist of all of the pilots, I need to see them all! storytime got me into animation too, and i hope to do animated indie stuff some day. another thing- GOOSE AND VIV HAVE DONE A LOT like- goose has done a lot of sound design for viv so I don't think the two have problems with each other- like- i think goose made the opening jingle for hazbin too!
@MechadonPrime
5 ай бұрын
Everyone participating in the in-flighting doesn’t understand the spirit of indie animation. There is no war, and they don’t speak for us.
@CreatimationStudios
4 ай бұрын
I FUCKING ADORE ATLAS AND THE STARS!! People need to talk about it more♧
@ythegamerita
4 ай бұрын
They were also in glitch x together
@Sylv_the_Weirdo
4 ай бұрын
@@ythegamerita ye I mentioned that lol
@Amelia_PC
6 ай бұрын
Two words: Monkey Wrench. The most underrated gem you've ever seen before.
@teethtaker-j3p
6 ай бұрын
THSI COMMENT IS SO CORRECT
@KKAkuoku
5 ай бұрын
In a fairer world, it would consistently get a FRACTION of TADC’s audience
@frimi8593
4 ай бұрын
I am a sucker for all things sci fi and I WISH more people would be talking about Monkey Wrench
@AcceptedGuy-mb8ef
2 ай бұрын
I saw it and it is quite mediocre, it's the most unoriginal and generic show i've ever seen
@frimi8593
2 ай бұрын
@@AcceptedGuy-mb8ef it doesn’t have to be your thing, but “unoriginal” really? In what world is it unoriginal?
@Flugel_Halogen
7 ай бұрын
....how come you completely ignored Murder drones? It's also made by Glitch and is just as popular as digital circus and helluva boss
@ythegamerita
4 ай бұрын
Murder drones avoided the content farms at least because it had robo-gore
@Flugel_Halogen
4 ай бұрын
@ythegameritaisthebest No. No it did not. I wish i was as lucky as you since it seems like you haven't seen any of it, but it definitely did not avoid content farms. Especially that one voice actor who does the Godzilla, security breatch, smiling critters, and digital circus comic dubs
@ythegamerita
4 ай бұрын
@@Flugel_Halogen I'm sure there's probably some MD content farms but they're not as many as TADC
@widelia2008
Күн бұрын
@@ythegamerita How to make your show Content Farm free: SWEARS, GORE, VIOLENCE, AND SLURS (ok maybe not slurs), But you get what I mean,
@artbox_7553
7 ай бұрын
You know know inde can overcome company’s like Disney when only 2 ten yr olds can make only a short animation about inanimate objects and get 2 million subs
@namelesscreature8843
7 ай бұрын
Ah nice BFDI Reference
@ElAdriánLRZ
7 ай бұрын
Yeah, it was just a small bug. But Flower went CRAZY over it.
@Cubeytheawesome
7 ай бұрын
Indie animation will only truly succeed if we are willing to accept object shows as part of it. And not just the big ones like BFDI, inanimate insanity, ONE, BOTO, and TDOS. We also need the shows by creepsington and Leo Friends to be recognized. They are so epic and funny. One of Creepsington’s shows, Battle for America, had an hour long episode where most of it was just 2 of the contestants, Microwave and American flag chilling while some catchy song looped.
@optimusfan1007
7 ай бұрын
@@ElAdriánLRZ Really??
@angel_of_rust
3 ай бұрын
wait, those 2 made this show since they were 13? that's mindblowing, though tbf it didn't really blow up til recently
@fanaticalistic
7 ай бұрын
Epithet Erased, don't hug me I'm scared, helluva boss, and eddsworld were some of my favorites.
@pepitocovid-91
7 ай бұрын
I LOVE EPITHET ERASED, DEFINITELY AN UNDERRATED SERIE 😭
@ibraahimdureng7482
6 ай бұрын
Finally some Epithet Erased love
@anvithequarsonist
4 ай бұрын
EPITHET ERASED!!!
@aidanhammans9337
4 ай бұрын
Only thing I’ve heard of on that front is a Mario and Luigi-esque RPG.
@obnox1ous_3fe420
3 ай бұрын
My personal favorite is hfjone
@M4rlol
7 ай бұрын
Honestly I think the fandom drama isn't that big, I'm in both vivziepop's fandom and in tadc's fandom and haven't had any problems at all, all I've seen is some horny people that I've just ignored, maybe it's beacause I'm not on Twitter, but if that's the reason than it isn't that big of a problem
@Ouch193
6 ай бұрын
The thing is… most of these creators don’t have beef! For example, Goose has been (haha hazbin) working with Viv for a while now. Glitch X was a huge collaboration and I don’t think there were *any* issues between the creators. It’s all just within the fandom. (For context, I love basically all of these shows; TADC, Helluva, Murder Drones, Lackadaisy, Atlas looks promising, Spooky Month, and Hazbin Hotel especially is one of my top shows from… ever!)
@MushroomOfMeh
3 ай бұрын
Omg I binged spooky month a week ago and it's one of my faves now!
@mentaldoee
7 ай бұрын
lackadaisy is breathtaking and will always be my favorite
@memory.3015
4 ай бұрын
FRRR
@Zebra_fandomfella03
7 ай бұрын
Its true that indie animation is quite phenomenal and not obly its changed online forever, but also animation as a whole. my favorites would have to be Meta Runner, Helluva Voss, Hazbin Hotel, The Amazing Digital Circus, Hands Up!, Lackadaisy, long gone gultch, and Godspeed. Also a connection with helluvaverse and TADC i want to bring up is that both of those projects had Gooseworx involved.
@Megara.x
6 ай бұрын
I just wanna voice that i loooove Helluva Boss, and not just because it's animated well and not because it's crass, but because i really like all the characters, their personalities, and seeing them interact as well as the changes that come with them spending more time together; it has been really fun to watch! Digital Circus is actually not my cup of tea, all the characters and the animation style reeeeally creep me out (except for jax
@AstralXen
7 ай бұрын
As someone who is a fan of Helluva Boss and Hazbin hotel, the reason why I (and probably most of the fan base) like it is because of the good aspects of it OTHER then the swearing and mature stuff. Yeah they do swear a LOT, but they also have a lot of funny moments. The characters are great for the most part. They're developed and work well with eachother. And all the events that happens in both of these shows are interesting to watch, as well as sometimes being so outlandish and insane that its funny.
@Manofmans
7 ай бұрын
I personally don't support hazbin due to episode 4.
@InfiniteProductions123
7 ай бұрын
@@Manofmans Why episode 4? Are you going to say "omg vivieene supports abuse lolol"? because that aint the point of the episode bud.
@THEDRIFTER823
7 ай бұрын
@@Manofmans episode 4 is a... interesting episode. Personally I'm in the camp where it's a mature insight into the abuse and exploitation faced by SWs and serves to be a crucial narrative in Angel Dust's character, and on its own is still an incredibly mature piece. The criticisms that it "fetishizes" feel honestly quite baseless and a come off like those people did not watch it. Out of interest, what is your issue with it?
@meat3958
7 ай бұрын
Idk bruv, hellof is arguably even worse with its characters than hazbin is. Millie, one of their “main” characters literally only exists to make her male counterpart have more screen time, every “Millie” episode was actually a moxie episode, every loona or Octavia episode is actually about their daddy/mommy issues It’s a gay fanfic show who only cares about shipping its male characters together over writing good plots, developments and relationships without shoe-horning blitz and stolas into everything 💀🙏
@Manofmans
7 ай бұрын
@@THEDRIFTER823 it's just kinda insensitive. They show it happening during a pop song. I just personally think there were far better and more appropriate ways of tackling such a serious topic.
@BlueBlueUnderMyShoe221
7 ай бұрын
Y'know someday this channel should really cover object shows and Battle for Dream Island
@hannahlamagna
7 ай бұрын
Hazbin hotel Hellva Boss and digital circus I love they are funny and great characters
@pizzapretzelslice.
7 ай бұрын
It’s very good to know about the insight of the Indie animation community. I’m actually an upcoming animator and I have been on KZitem for at least five years and I’ve been planning to make a cartoon short called "goose on the loose"starring my cartoon character, Grandy Goose and it’s gonna be based off cartoons from the early 1940s and I’m hoping that I get support on it soon I’m gonna make some sneak peaks and some character designs and I hope that people get the check it out
@Cassmo46
6 ай бұрын
Indian animation💀
@CreatimationStudios
4 ай бұрын
Ooooooh! That sounds fun! I’ll happily check it out♧
@Pundit07
3 ай бұрын
Where can I check it out? Also if you’re still crowdfunding for it, I’ll happily donate. It sounds like an interesting idea!
@Scenario_animations
3 ай бұрын
You got a source to check out the progress?? sounds neat
@Bobsburgers123
7 ай бұрын
13:44 a lot of the viv drama isn’t really her fault it’s more of people taking stuff out of context to portray it in a negitive light. Or it’s just a utter lie.
@ythegamerita
4 ай бұрын
At this point Viv could nuke a country and I wouldn't believe it
@swoozie
5 ай бұрын
Great vid man
@zacquinn
5 ай бұрын
YOOOOOO SWOOZIE, Love your content man. Super surreal seeing you here
@pointillism252
7 ай бұрын
This video would be a good one, and would work, if "The Indie Animation Wars" wasn't something that you just made up. I've followed amazing digital circus and helluva boss/hazbin hotel booms in popularity, and let me tell you, this whole TADC fans vs Viziepop fans does not exist. It was mostly people who were not a fan of vizie's work, her brand of humor, or her as a person online that propagated the whole "If X was written by viziepop" meme. Most people who liked TADC, are also fans of other indie animated series like murder drones, and yes, hazbin hotel/helluva boss. So really it's just viziepop's creations and their fans against the antis, a negligible amount of people are very directly comparing the 2 shows when it comes to which one is better by fans in a competitive sense, and nobody working on the shows are against each other because rising tides raise all ships. So in conclusion, "The Indie Animation Wars", do not exist in any real sense outside of being a catchy title. And you just describe events you don't actually show any backing or anything to prove your point. Do better next time.
@braydoboss9505
6 ай бұрын
Ramshackle is one series I'm really looking forward to. Haven't seen anyone talk about it, but it looks really fun
@all-aroundhelper
7 ай бұрын
Then there is the sane object show community.
@Z_64is_iscool
7 ай бұрын
Yeah the OSC doesn’t really fight with others… they fight with themselves…
@all-aroundhelper
7 ай бұрын
Oh yes they sure do.
@jossuecabrera8611
7 ай бұрын
Oh the bright side, inanimate insanity finished its third season. And on a high note!
@MajesticallyMystical
7 ай бұрын
@@Z_64is_iscoolbasically like that, the osc's dramas are always concerning itself and not other fandoms
@splitsee2526
7 ай бұрын
im apart of the osc and i ain gonna lie all the first episode shows are probably better than the completed shows (except for brawl of the objects, that was peak all the way through) overall for me the osc is just more of a comfort community rather than something i really enjoy being in because of how sometimes toxic it is (especially osctwt) it has definitely gotten a bit of a negative reputation which is understandable and i can see why creators dont cover it a lot. also can i just say that people on the osc literally go berserk when they are mentioned like LMAO WHY
@EvanAkaKevin
4 ай бұрын
I feel like Helluva Boss is more comparable to Murder Drones than to The Amazing Digital Circus.
@fireofvictory7008
4 ай бұрын
The fact that you talked about so many shows without a single mention of Murder Drones hurts me lol (Not an angry comment, not trying to start an argument)
@spicytaco8561
6 ай бұрын
Dude, TV animation is dying. Cartoon Network doesn’t even exist anymore. They lost their studio. And I’m not gonna get into what’s been going on with Disney. I give credit where it’s due . If it wasn’t for Vivzie, we wouldn’t be getting independent creators making new animations. But then again, there have been animations long before fizzy Vivziepop. Mondo media used to make Happy Tree Friends and D&$k Fingures. But the point I’m trying to make I don’t think Indie animation is going anywhere. As a matter fact, it’s just getting started. You forgot to mention “Monkey Wrench” Monkey Wrench needs more attention too.
@Es_gee
6 ай бұрын
And Atlas and the stars
@allistairgeorge8965
7 ай бұрын
When people have biases, they will not stray from them. Controversy aside, I REALLY hope I get into my dream college so I can do animation and work on a project that I've been planning since I was 13. There are a few problems though, like the fact that it's 12 seasons long with 11 out of the 12 seasons having 26 episodes each, season 1 having 10 episodes and 2 of the seasons having an extra episode. Also there's a problem that I have where I CAN'T FOR THE LIFE OF ME STOP COMING UP WITH IDEAS. It just gets to the point where I wanna do them all. Obviously that's not going to happen without a miracle since I have a bunch of other projects I want to create. My main goal though is to get the 12 season long project out into the world. If I want to this I will of course need a BIG team of animators to help me with it especially because of how long it is and also with finding voice actors for the characters, music composers for the bgm and also sound designers.. and maybe even writers but I think I have that part covered. Anyway this is a teenage DREAM of mine. If I get this project out and completed then my life would ultimately be complete. I'm praying at this point that everything goes according to plan.... hopefully
@TwoelizAnimations
7 ай бұрын
All of these animations are insanely good! I have an episode out for my indie series but honestly it dosen't deserve to blow up compared to all of those examples you gave. Your video was very informative and I learned so many things. Thanks for your hard work!
@mistwithwings
7 ай бұрын
EDSAWOELS!! EDDAWORLD !!!! EDDSSSWORLD
@sedox3145
6 ай бұрын
"Indie animation is toxic" is like Lucifer's quote: "They've been given free will and look what they did!"
@namelesscreature8843
7 ай бұрын
I’m surprised you didn’t talk about Animator vs Animation
@ElAdriánLRZ
7 ай бұрын
Classic, but I think the more popular one is animation vs minecraft, having over 50 episodes and a really big comunity
@Random_name5033
7 ай бұрын
@@ElAdriánLRZwait over 50 episodes? I thought there were only 32?
@EditsTooMuch
6 ай бұрын
He mentioned it in 5:57
@MikeOxlong-mo8oh
4 ай бұрын
Lackadaisy is the best animated pilot on KZitem
@zombielizard9383
7 ай бұрын
I'm pretty surprised you never mentioned or showed a clip of Murder Drones anywhere in the video, which is also another indie series produced by Glitch productions 21:41 At least you showed Cliffside, which was made by the same person, Liam Vickers And overall good video, honestly this is one of the reasons I stopped using Twitter since 2021, so that I could stay away from all that irritating büllsh¡t and toxicity from the fandoms Like, I kinda get why people get so entitled in both sides, Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss definitely have issues that repell a certain fraction of the audience, and I also think Digital Circus has had enough support (not to stop liking it, but to expand the market in other projects and not just Digital Circus) So I also think that everyone involved in this slander and ruckus should use rational thinking and stop acting like rabid street cats But if any of y'all want to stop seeing all these arrogant, hypocritical and easy-triggered elitists, just uninstall Twitter lmao Now time to wait until I get more content from my favorite indie animation series, Madness Combat 12 But I also wanna know how everything will play out in Digital Circus' later episodes, and what will happen to Sir Pentious in Hazbin Hotel season 2
@SonicoinyYT
4 ай бұрын
BFDI watching this chaos happen: 🔥🍿
@Ihatememyselfandixp
3 ай бұрын
Lol
@Stickboy321Go
2 ай бұрын
Want some popcorn?
@ythegamerita
3 ай бұрын
19:09 i'm a helluva boss fan, but that video was hilarious, because it's true, the show has a lot of swear words, and that's funny Your fist mistake was expecting media literacy from Twitter
@mrsnayarlhats4242
7 ай бұрын
People just need to stop comparing the 2 indie animation and spread out more I watch big top burger as well with helluva boss and the amazing digital circus now I don't watch lackadaisy because the creator was being an complete ass to Viv the creator of helluva boss sometime back however they're is another cartoon I need to watch
@mrsnayarlhats4242
7 ай бұрын
And I also watch spooky month
@mrsnayarlhats4242
7 ай бұрын
Well Viv is not a bad person it's these ass holes that tries to make fake drama and pin the blame on her like one of her haters attacked me and my friend for liking Viv's shows and my friend I exploded on the hater telling them how the cow ate the cabbage I was some kind of angry man and that made me start attacking I was alright you attack me I will attack the rest of your hater posse I've been fighting haters since then because my lover made me into a strong person
@enayy619
7 ай бұрын
I’m surprised you didn’t mention Homestar Runner, Battle For Dream Island, or Super Mario Bros Z, or really a few others tbh like Ctrl+Alt+Del or Welcome Home (wait was that animated? I forgot)
@zombielizard9383
7 ай бұрын
Nope, Welcome Home is an Arg series with only its website if I recall correctly
@enayy619
7 ай бұрын
@@zombielizard9383 Crap I meant homestuck
@June_doesarts
7 ай бұрын
Halluav and hazbin hotel have these swearing bc it is placed HELL I don’t get why people don’t understand. It is so simple
@June_doesarts
7 ай бұрын
@Inability1 ig idk it really not a problem for me
@CubeShot-7
7 ай бұрын
That's not an excuse for bad writing, dialogue wise.
@June_doesarts
7 ай бұрын
@@CubeShot-7 no it’s not a excuse. I was just saying that why they swear a lot.
@CubeShot-7
7 ай бұрын
@@June_doesarts that's actually not why vivie said she just grew up with that type of humor and that's the humor she uses but she is trying to make a semi serious show with a type of humor you can't really have a semi serious show with poor writing although I've never written a show before maybe I should give it a try.
@CubeShot-7
7 ай бұрын
When you realize cliffside was made before hazbin hotel (ik hazbin is more popular but still)
@shaaabbottmrstring
7 ай бұрын
I am working on a upcoming indie show called the kid and lit star I’m currently Storyboarding and a looking for a voice actors I also am looking for animators I am making my own discord server which is not going good because it logged me out and I’m trying to get back in but I’m gonna try to get it back and get my series made.
@SebsistButReal
7 ай бұрын
good luck dude. I hope this gets seen by the entire Internet
@shaaabbottmrstring
6 ай бұрын
@@SebsistButReal thank you for encouragements are we got some animators and I’m gonna have a meeting with voice actor later this week.
@SebsistButReal
6 ай бұрын
@@shaaabbottmrstring wonderful! can't wait to see this! good luck!
@mistonsa8232
7 ай бұрын
I honestly entered into the indie community as an artist/actor and I am part of a few projects but the situation did got a little bitter especially do to the helluva fandom
@marnic1012
5 ай бұрын
Crazy I’m only hearing about this, there was a Glitch expo on Glitch channel with the creators Hazbin Hotel, Digital Circus, and others, and these indie animators had fun drawing, praising each other, and celebrating for their shows. I swear people on Twitter are morons and act that they know what the creators are thinking
@AcceptedGuy-mb8ef
2 ай бұрын
Why do people keep comparing Hazbin Hotel to other indie shows on KZitem? It's not even an indie series anymore lol
@xstar4698
6 ай бұрын
I like both. Both are great. Fight me
@fluxcptndavey4378
4 ай бұрын
What annoys me the most about this is how most people will weaponize other good shows just to dog on others. I remember someone made a Post about how Smiling Friends was better than Hazbin Hotel cause it had a bunch of KZitemr Cameos where Hazbin had Celebrity/Broadway Voice actors. I just wanna enjoy the fact thag Indie animation is Thriving. Lemme watch my shows.
@YourLocalYouTuber69
7 ай бұрын
MURDER DRONES BOIS ASSEMBLE
@Vexx2006
6 ай бұрын
Heyyyyyy dude. Can't believe I saw you here lol. Love your vids!
@awmetoo1
4 ай бұрын
indie animation or indie media in general needs professionalism. It needs management and maturity to not get involved in any discourse upon social media that could harm themselves or there products. honest hot take but that's the one thing corporations have over indie is their way in dealing with turmoil. in that they do remain professional and deal with issues at hand in a manner that won't damage a project over something trivial and subjective If yall know about the fnaf plus situation I'd assume you'd know where I'm coming from here. A genuinely great and funded project shafted from the fact over some twitter drama. Unacceptable, if the creator for something is bad. Go through with releasing the product and let the public think wtv they think abt said creator or wtv issue. Don't stop or delay it over some banter and because your "upset" over wtv someone said on twitter. Indie animation indie games etc. shouldn't be controlled over those that don't know any better. Be honest none of us most of the time don't know what we want but only feel to want it because it's what makes sense to us. That's the only problem with indie animation and everything indie atm. It Just lacks Professionalism, Maturity, And Proper management.
@sandoraka
5 ай бұрын
Thx for this video! Its sad to see the indie animation fanbase so divided but I sure as hell am glad I live in a time with so much indie animation for us all to enjoy and for FOR FREE?! I am also working on my own very first animated short film and I document my journey every week here on KZitem, if anyone would be interested! Thank you Zac for supporting indies!
@optimusfan1007
7 ай бұрын
“Even monthly is a big challenge, and you can’t produce a 28 minute high-quality animation.” Micheal and Cary post BFDIA revival: *”Hold my Yoyleberries.”*
@GreenBunnyTNT.
6 ай бұрын
BFDI animation style is so simple that they can produce monthly well animated 20 minute animations
@optimusfan1007
6 ай бұрын
@@GreenBunnyTNT. you missed the joke
@Izzymations-OFFICIAL
4 ай бұрын
“So a 20 minute animation would take a year!” 2022-2023 Murder Drones would beg to differ
@MMMCHEESE695
4 ай бұрын
To be honest, idk where the hate for Helluva boss comes from. It is literally and adult animated TV show so obviously it will have swears and sexual reference, and there are some shows out there that use much more swears and stuff.
@Randomyoutuber-4831
7 ай бұрын
You should probably know that a few days ago, it came out that the head of Glitch Productions is actually an abusive boss who forced tight deadlines and high turnover rates for the animation company along with replacing a long time VA for one of their other shows without even informing them. Now The Amazing Digital Circus and other Glitch Production series are getting a lot of the same heat that Vivziepop did. The only silver lining being that it put an end to this whole war since the Helluva haters can't prop up the former as being 'morally superior' to Vivziepop anymore.
@kootunesscrewy
7 ай бұрын
I love indie animation nowadays.
@justkeith9505
7 ай бұрын
Me too
@AndreiAndreevOSC
4 ай бұрын
Animatic battle fan detect
@JamesEmirzianWaldementer
11 күн бұрын
Most of the independent animators thoughts they’re been rising with the popularity, Instead of the considering major impacting by the negativity viewers ton of million people, The behind of animation creator that have been doing well, I have decided to practically design and animation right way decision, That way without getting involvement by numerous fans turned against each other themselves.
@l1feisstressful-dp7ze
5 ай бұрын
10:49 hazbin is acctually what inspired me to follow my idea of making an animated piolet
@yallaintit
4 ай бұрын
With AI coming in and wrecking the idea of creativity and effort, artists should be sticking together and building each other up. Everybody has the right to their opinion, but the hate is WILD
@teamok1025
4 ай бұрын
I wished for animated indies. But not with literal war and content farms.
@drdewott9154
6 ай бұрын
Yeah the infighting is just really weird. Heck I'd consider myself a fan of a ton of Indie animated productions. Hazbin Hotel, Lackadaisy, Helluva Boss, Monkey Wrench, The Amazing Digital Circus, Sublo & Tangy Mustard, Tales of Zale, Godspeed, Atlas & The stars, Hugos Mind Palace, Long gone gulch, I love the whole menu, and I havent even gotten to many other projects yet like Murder Drones, Ollie & Scoops, Spooky Month, and Big top Burger! The infighting and controversies are just really stupid. Especially since so many controversies have seemingly no basis in reality or even common sense. Its seemingly just people who try to throw dirt at the creators with no concrete proof for their accusations 99% of the time! Like even just one example I know someone tried to accuse Vivienne Medrano and her team of underpaying animators, only to find out from actual crew members and professional animators that their team gets paid almost twice the industry average. All while the accuser didn't even know what they were complaining about meant or even how animation production worked. Like I feel people should just learn that this ain't a competition. Even Glitch production tried to get that out there. Indie animation should be a tide that lifts all boats. Art for the sake of art. And though I personally don't agree with your opinion of Helluva Boss since I generally find there to be pretty interesting stories below the swearing, and the amount of swearing generally being overblown in criticism, I still respect that this is your opinion. And that there are better ways of discussing this stuff than massive fanwars. Like comparisons can work sometimes, but having EVERYTHING be about comparisons and declaring everything as better or worse based on this is just awful.
@ExpressoTheCat
6 ай бұрын
this is a dam good video dude, I've been working on my own indie animated series since 2021 called 'FATMAN' and it's a comedy-based action show that is available to watch on my channel and should at least get 500 views per video instead of 45.
@faithdrawing3858
4 ай бұрын
I love how Glitch Fans and Helluva Boss fans hate each other and then you have the creators literally doing a crossover like bro XD be like the creators, be nice to each other jeez XD
@ClabeTickel
4 ай бұрын
I am working on a pilot for my comic. It’s not great tho I wrote the script a while ago and it’s based off a comic a made an even longer time ago😭 but I’m making a pilot for the remake
@BridghamGray
5 ай бұрын
lets not forget that HotDiggedyDemon’s animated show Brain Dump is indie animation
@MRG666
4 ай бұрын
Guess im crimge weird and arshole (?) i love both shows xD they're cool :3
@ironfox4990
6 ай бұрын
In terms of the popularity of these indie animations it goes like, The Amazing Digital Circus >>>>>>>>>>Hazbin Hotel/Helluva Boss>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Murder Drones>>>Lackadaisy>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Other indies
@TheMingCookie
4 ай бұрын
i really want to make my own indie animation me and my brother will voice act cause i can change my voice into many things i might make it but we will see in the future!!
@humblemarty
4 ай бұрын
I don't care about the war. I'm just excited there's two cakes.
@UdoADHD
4 ай бұрын
That’s wild that the fandoms are fighting. The shows could not be more different. It’s like comparing apples and oranges.
@xxm4716
3 ай бұрын
All happen cause one guy just couldn't keep it to himself
@wyattcensored9361
4 ай бұрын
17:28 I love HB and I still thought that video was funny.
@rise.-mikey
7 ай бұрын
13:08 Ehhh not really, a lot of fans who turned against the show are...interesting There is a doc going around that apparently has proof of Vivzie being transphobic and it was made by a person who used to be a fan but was throwing a baby tantrum over the fact Blitz and Striker were not an item and now they are spreading lies and have stalkerish behavior towards fans and Vivzie herself. Basically a delusional person who didn't like the direction the show was going for and people believe everything she says. Which is just as crazy. All I can say is from MY research, Vivzie done stupid stuff when she was younger but so far in the present day, she has shown to improve and become better as a person. Flawed no doubt but not downright evil like twatter is trying to paint her. Also it's really not the fandom or even haters fault for indie animation to not peak due to Helluva that's just silly to come to that conclusion like this, people on Twitter are just weird (please parents, take the phone away from your kids). At least the loud ones aren't, they already tried to cancel Friday Night Funkin, Five Nights at Freddy's and so on. Indie games by looking into the creators accounts and try cancel them. Maybe crazy to say this but usually this mob is done on purpose by chronically online people that are jealous of other people success. Heck I mean, people were mad at Glitch production because of Murder Drones, yes Murder Drones isn't doing well because of that and the fandom was on edge because of the random allegations thrown at this studio. People are just hyperfixated in hating something and that, that is taking away the attention for other projects who are just as deserving to be known for. As a fan of Helluva Boss, it's really not just swear words, se+, art, music, animation, it's about the characters. I get that this isn't you cup of tea but damn. You downplay it way too much here, while a person who reacts to the show, understands it far better then you do in this video. This might sound arrogant but that's really how it is, the characters are the selling point of the show and if you don't like the characters then the show is simply not meant for you. Also a bit suspicious that you put the blame on Helluva only, then say the same stuff I have seen on Twitter about Helluva while spontaneously good talk a different indie animation (I will not say the name of that pilot, if you know, you know). Which in my opinion was a pretty bland pilot, I be still watching that show to see if it improves but I think that might be the reason, why this specific pilot isn't doing well like Hazbin or Digital Circus because it had way too many tropes that I have already seen plenty of times on TV and nothing felt unique to me. Gorgeous animation but else, ehhh. Hope it does better.
@demonking3673
7 ай бұрын
The only bad thing that Viv did was hiring a rape fetishist as a storyboard artist for HH.
@KanderTheCat
4 ай бұрын
and then in episode 2 of digital circus there are more swear words (censored ofc) + sex joke
@unresponsiblechild15
7 ай бұрын
I like both shows
@teamok1025
4 ай бұрын
I wished for animated indies. But not with literal war and content farms.
@Isles_LightOfficial
7 ай бұрын
Bruh, the internet is just fuckin stupid
@wwandmitski
7 ай бұрын
12:50 i love how the voices match up lmfaoo
@alejandrolozano4919
6 ай бұрын
First off I am fan of Both Second there alway People want Chaos when both animation creators are in the same Boat . there are more animation projects because of them more and more come and I’m happy but there alway those people to cost chaos and start fights.
@Scarcheeze
3 ай бұрын
Skibidi toilet is better than the two in combine.
@helioslegigantosaure6939
7 ай бұрын
Fun fact: Did you know 3D animation is cheaper than 2D
@BlueVolt682
7 ай бұрын
Because its easier to animate in 3D like SFM
@asonwiwijtrezequal985
7 ай бұрын
Wait they're waring which each other now? I thought they were waring together to fight Disney! Please don't fight guys...
@8BitDoesWhatevz
4 ай бұрын
You CANNOT talk abt indie animation and not mention BFDI, Carykh made a whole indie animation genre
@ImAPlaugeEgg
5 ай бұрын
as someone who is currently working on a pilot, I can surely say now that I am going to wait until all of this cools down to release it. Thanks for warning me
@EditsTooMuch
6 ай бұрын
You’re talking about best indie animation when Alan Becker AvA series has the best animation that I have seen with just a bunch of stick figures .
@ImmaLittlePip
6 ай бұрын
Surpised you didn't mention another newgrounds animatior Zach Hadel having his own TV show on Adultswim when talking about classic online animators But yeah I agree this constant need to compare and tear down other things is really annoying and doesn't help anyone at the end of the day Heck if anything it turns off new comers because they don't want to affiliated with that toxicity (Just look how bad the tumblr side of the Steven Universe fandom turned away so many potential fans)
@kfphunter1315
7 ай бұрын
They’re made by the same people! I mean not that these projects are from the same ones. I mean the cooperation, the same Gooseworxs helped make the Helluva Boss
@S1lly_Sail0r
4 ай бұрын
The lesson is: fix youtube monitization
@KingstonBiro-x7b
7 ай бұрын
I have realized no one on KZitem has talked about My Ghost Friend. (super underrated, I would recommend this.) not that the creator has a small following. I’m still confused about this and want to know more. (If any of you know what I’m talking about.)
@l1feisstressful-dp7ze
5 ай бұрын
17:39 "hello I am caine and I'm your bitch" Idfk why that's so funny
@bdariamihaela
4 ай бұрын
I'm leaving here a link to my playlis of all indie pilots I ever watched and liked kzitem.info/door/PL8T9tKITgFftRJo2tPpgdj5FWGyvKY6uq&si=GWZyP4HQnxes4RSO
@guessig
4 ай бұрын
holy shit
@VoicesInTheRainOSC
7 ай бұрын
You don’t have to but, you should make video about the The Power of Two Episode 9’s Voting war and how insane it is. Like people were sending death threats over ANIMATED OBJECTS.
@kootunesscrewy
7 ай бұрын
Tbh, I'm sad there was no mention of object shows during the downfall era. They were alot of them during that time like Object Lockdown and Object Filler.
@VoicesInTheRainOSC
7 ай бұрын
@@kootunesscrewy yeah it slowly began to fall off in 2015 - 2017. The return of BFDI (Season 3) wasn’t a bid impact as it’s on a hiatus. And The show in general pause for more than a Year. BFB is when the OSC started to rise up a bit, but I personally think 2019 was when the OSC really got their game back on.
@kootunesscrewy
7 ай бұрын
@@VoicesInTheRainOSC You have a point. Tho, 2017-2020 was the time where I feel like BFDI got somewhat recognizable in the indie community, because of Four and X.
@sonorasgirl
4 ай бұрын
So…I like both. And I like Helluva and Hazbin not for the many swears and sex jokes, but for the explorations of aging, trauma, and character growth. I know for some people it can be hard to see that through the swearing, and that’s totally fine! To each his own. But I do think it’s selling the character development and queer/trauma rep in the show short to not include it
@masonstewart6232
6 ай бұрын
I'm quite surprised you didn't mention Murder drones anywhere in this video. Especially since it's also made by Glitch, is getting 2(or more) full seasons, and even though it's nowhere near as popular as Digital Circus, it is still one of the largest indie animation series just behind Helluva boss.
@monarchbulldog2519
3 ай бұрын
13:06 honestly this is valid
@SammyRobinson62232
7 ай бұрын
Great video. I will forever have a heart spot of indie animations. Since it’s people who have lack of resources put their heart and soul into a project they love. Also as someone who watch Hellva Boss. While I do have the problems with the jokes. Mostly have it can mess up the tone in a scene. One word to describe my gripes with it is hypocrisy. Is abuse funny or a horrible act? Is fat phobia is terrible thing or a running joke? Along with how the show try to push the Blizto and Stolas ship even though Stolas is a awful person. The show makes it where Blizto is in the wrong. Great video and also how can view be removed. I thought once a video has a view it can’t be return unlike a like or dislike.
@zacrybigboy9930
6 ай бұрын
Im planning on making a series myself. I dont think it can get to the quality that is hazbin hotel and so on. But ive got atleast 50 episodes planned from beginning to end. I just have to finish animating the first episode which has been in the works for 2 years. Well those 2 years aren’t really spent on animating as really in designing and planning. Im hoping it will bring something original to youtube. Oh ya and ive already have got 4 years experience of animation. Hehehe.
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