Let me know if there's something I missed or got wrong here. I'd love to hear your input on the issue!
@thestondfrog
7 ай бұрын
i don't get why people get so angry on the discord like what you Sade it's just a game and more people should realize that when something changes its not the end of the world apart from that keep up the good work
@mistingwolf
7 ай бұрын
It's funny that The Isle is the topic of discussion, but a totally different game is being displayed. Really shows how uninteresting The Isle must be now.
@goldfishmentality
7 ай бұрын
@rainlupine ya it's the worst game for commentary. I'd just be showing people a dino sitting down or walking at 20 fps xD
@Rumplestiltskin-iy1hf
7 ай бұрын
One thing to go more in depth on could be the wave of bans both reddit and discord have implemented for questionable reasons, discord less questionable, but I am biased, but that's a thing.
@fire_quacker5199
7 ай бұрын
Ye it’s sad how most of the community doesn’t actually think about what the devs do and go straight to negatives of things. But anyways KEEP FIGHTING FOR DEMOCRACY!!!!
@XZaguer
7 ай бұрын
A game's community is the reflection of the game itself and it's developers. Afterthought is filled with extremely toxic Devs that do nothing but deminish and devalue the community as well as contributing and even promoting toxicity. The community being the way it is, is massively influenced by the Devs actions and unfortunately this team is amongst the worst I have ever seen from a moral standpoint
@goldfishmentality
7 ай бұрын
I couldn't agree more. I've never seen a more wholesome community than Helldiver's 2, and the devs are at least half of the reason for that. Understanding, open to criticism, and such.
@XZaguer
7 ай бұрын
@@goldfishmentality precisely. Leading by example is very important and sadly that's not the case with us. Survival games will always have more toxic communities than the average game, but the isle is a special case due to the borderline abusive behaviour we see from people that should be an idol of professionalism and morality. But you are right, just because the team is bad doesn't mean we have to, we should all strive into being better and improve our community, even if some people push against the current
@Rumplestiltskin-iy1hf
7 ай бұрын
@@XZaguer Have a great day 👍
@Some1-2
7 ай бұрын
God blees the very old days on the isle, wen ther map was irri and nesstalgic, wen the comunaty, wasn’t toxic, and it was made bye fiw 100 peopel.
@SirPigeon420
7 ай бұрын
everytime you comment i always read it in ur voice lol
@goldenaries0860
7 ай бұрын
The reason for the community's current toxicity likely stems from the past nine years of treatment they’ve received from the developers. Not every criticism is valid, I will admit there are quite a few squelchers that will cry wolf at the most minimal of change. Every gave community has a few members of the vocal minority. However, I don’t believe that’s what happening here. This game has been in development for *nine years.* I’ve said this anecdotal point _ad nauseam_ at this point: but I’ve gotten into high school, graduated high school, got to college, got a degree, and a job all in the time this game has been being made - and it’s a viscous cycle induced by the higher ups on the development staff. They refuse to listen to player feedback when it conflicts with their vision of the game. They implement features that do not address the games core issues. They backtrack when the fans get ticked off and waste time fixing things they broke, as opposed to perhaps keeping an ear open to see what’s valid, and what’s simply whining. It’s been like this far before the recode. People are just getting sick of it after nine years. While just like with the community I’m positive it’s not all the developers, but a good majority of the higher ups treat the fans like garbage. The condescension from then on the discord and faulty analogies when attempting to justify systems such as this. They’ve even been shown having no issue banning certain critics of the game from the official discord. That’s not something a positive development staff does in response to someone providing their thoughts. Even if they make no sense, you either ignore it and move on or address it and move on. The game is currently built on a toxic foundation. It’s not just the community, but the example the development staff has put forth. Toxic communities do not arise from nowhere after all.
@sziklamester1244
7 ай бұрын
These points are valid. Basically if you make a game you not making it only for you except if you want to make a dream game for your own needs. Developing games also requiring some social skills to listen to what the players wants, how they want, what the devs wish to add etc. Commuication is a key feature and it is rare very often. The devs of the Isle while not bad persons but they cannot handle if someone have different opinions. Most of the things are stem from Dondi and his own agenda. I personally do not knowing him only heard of his reputation but he is personally a person who had the money to kickstart a dream game he imagined, started with a small number of personal and developed a game. The problem is not this but the fact the game by the time grown and had a community with needs and they somehow stay in the same level on what they need only. There are bunch of other developers at this point whom did 10-15 years game development and the end product ended less nice than the predecessors. I could name just few but not for shaming. Taleworlds, with Bannerlord, Chucklefish, with Starbound and how they treated their community, Nintendo, how they treating the playerbase with selling the same garbage to them etc. I do understand the frustration with this game aswell but i am not a hardcore isle gamer instead a gamer who bought the game when released, tried it, shelved for years and got back when Evrima got released. I have no time for playing a single game and i do have tons of games what seeks my game time. This is why I never worry about if a game flops or not delivers because there is plenty of alternatives. The main reason the Isle variants emerged because there is a need for a good dinosaur survival game which is not the isle and not Dondi. Sadly not many of these game are success because they fighting each other for a niche genre.
@Nickboay
7 ай бұрын
The fact they are tryna cook, while they have dirty plates everywhere filling up the kitchen space, is disturbing and speaks about the hygene of the kitchen. To throw that anology back at dondi. I think many people wouldnt mind if he is tryna cook in a clean kitchen, but the fact we get ignored on the many issues and just like oyeah guys! new camera system, is just a =/ moment.
@dapperdino6044
7 ай бұрын
I appreciate that you pointed out the whole “accuracy vs realism” argument! It definitely gets under my skin when people hold up double standards with saying the two subjects are the same. Immersion is amazing, and it can definitely be achieved by both accuracy and realism, although not always both. Also, I appreciate seeing someone’s true unfiltered thoughts on current affairs within the community, as well as understanding both sides. We need more people like you in this community.
@goldfishmentality
7 ай бұрын
Thank you! I have a vid going more in depth on the whole realism thing if you're interested :)
@Dragonn6667
7 ай бұрын
Its funny because theyre like “we want to be super realistic” and then they made beipi a semiaquatic when it literally would not have been when it existed. Like i like beipi being a semiaquatic but the point is they cant say that they go for uber realism while making dinos that are very different than their extinct counterparts
@shadycraft6594
7 ай бұрын
They ruined a game we all loved. We gonna bitch.
@memezs7042
7 ай бұрын
Relatively new player here. I DREAMED of having this game as a kid. I'm thankful it exists
@All-TimersCondensedBoxing
7 ай бұрын
It's good. Don't listen to all the crybabies. It's got a ways to go but there's usually a few thousand people out there playing. I absolutely love The Isle and can't wait to see it continue to get better.
@Gore-Labs
5 ай бұрын
@@All-TimersCondensedBoxing A lot of the “crybabies” love this game too, that’s why they’re so pissed. It’s like watching your favorite nephew drown in the shallow end while you are actively trying to save them and they just keep swimming away while drowning. At some point you’re gonna call them a fucking idiot and just put them in a chokehold to get them out.
@wintersal449
7 ай бұрын
I take a 4 month break from the game hoping that the garbage stamina system would be change only to come back to another absolute garbage system being planned. It's baffling how hard the ball is being dropped on such a good foundation for the 100th time. The community is easily reflected by the devs attitude and mannerisms. From disregarded actual solid critism to the often silence in terms of development. It's a minority of the community that is the most toxic and often the loudest, but I can't entirely blame the community for how a lot of us react to things. It's why I often take so many breaks
@ScottM436
7 ай бұрын
Once you play the stam you will probably enjoy it now that you can recover stam while trotting. I know probably as many people that like it as that don't. I can see you might be someone he's talking about since you quit the game without giving the new stam a chance and hating on something that's not even implemented yet. To let you know, they said in their discord it's internal testing and nothing they would release to official servers. Just proves his point though.
@wintersal449
7 ай бұрын
@@ScottM436 I played the new stam for quite a bit before taking a break, said I dont like it and will wait for things to hopefully get better. I have played on and off the past 2 weeks and it's decent to play now. It's atleast more playable than it was before, so it's not about not giving it a chance. And i'm not blindly hating on the new proposed camera system either. It is a needlessly pointless change that will only take up more development time when there is nothing wrong with the current camera system other than maybe looking up or the occasional swimming bug (ambushes are not affected and those saying it is are bs'ing). Something not being out yet doesnt exempt it from criticism, a bad idea is a bad idea. My main issue is the devs continued piss poor reaction and responses to any criticism be it valid or non. It's shameful and they get the community they deserve from that kind of attitude. I do not condone the more toxic members of the community, but toxicity breeds toxicity. It's pattern recognition.
@ScottM436
7 ай бұрын
@@wintersal449 I do agree with their behavior to our reactions. I'm just not sure what came first the chicken or the egg. The bad response from them or how horrible some people can be. I disagree with how they reply all the time. I constantly tell my friends how they're pricks. Felipe and Punch are usually OK. I feel like Dondi and Kissen are the most narcissistic people I've come across. I wish something could be done with the camera system. Not a first-person view, but when I'm trying to pounce a stego, it can be looking anywhere even though he's looking in one direction. Maybe turn his head left if he's looking left and turn it a little past that if he's looking behind himself. That's the only reason I was looking forward to some changes. However, I didn't like the mock-up they showed. Would have been horrible to pvp with that.
@Banbro88
4 ай бұрын
Dude same lol took a break for the exact same reason, reinstalled it 2 days ago and I'm already sick of it
@edge1247
7 ай бұрын
This may be the straw that broke the camels back. Couldn't have happened to a better dev team. The toxicity of this community was bred by its own devs.
@DocumentarianWeady
7 ай бұрын
I agree with most of your points (I will detail that before I dive into my biggest issue). The Isle does need to change, its community is too ride or die on certain things. The Devs don't listen to the community all that much, and sometimes it seems like the opposite is in effect too. While I don't think either side would listen to a "simple talk", maybe with that talk: at least some groundworks for a better future could come. However, here is a little gripe I had. The Devs said it was going to be like it was presented in the beginning, that is why the hate began. They only backtracked and said it was a concept point of view once too much hate spread around. But that is kind of a nitpick, with what I agree was largely a bandwagon- one that I joined in on, though its important to note I'm not interested in the community much. The Devs have been like this for a long time. Their own Toxic Mindsets have been around since the game has really popularized. There are countless cases of people simply disagreeing on something, and being banned about it. I remember a video (don't remember the creator) who disagreed about Humans in the Isle, and he got banned for it. There was of course the famous example of Pesky and his Ankylosaurus Video which also got the same reaction, more or less. Its not that the Devs won't take criticism, which they said they weren't taking when refering to the Camera System, its the fact that they seem not to like it. They view their game as the ultimate masterpiece, so when someone comes in disagreeing with something, they respond harshly. Think about all the bans that took place during the prime of the Camara System Hate, despite some not being diserving of that. The Devs have shown their incompetence for a long time now, and I know its not right to put the sole blame on them. *But*, I put it more on them and their behaviour for not only making changes nobody asked for, changes that make the game less fun, but seem to also fuel the hatred in their community that is so prevelent. Once again, I'm not hating on you or your video, I just feel that you gave the Devs a little "Too" much leeway.
@goldfishmentality
7 ай бұрын
Totally fair. I know the devs kind of suck, but I know there's some good ones and I may heir on the side of optimism on their behalf. I absolutely get where youre coming from though
@DocumentarianWeady
7 ай бұрын
@@goldfishmentality Obligatory: "Oh my gosh, youtuber replied to me 101022!!!!!!!!" but anyways, Yeah I can get where you are coming from. I'm not entirely aware of the Newer Devs, who I presume are the "Good" ones, since I stopped really paying attention to the game due to technical difficulities, and it just persisted even despite it being fixed. My Viewpoint is neutral, just like you. I just take in account of their past actions a bit more. Because its important to know that even if they grew from these mistakes, they're the same people who made them, and history is always bound to repeat itself. I hope The Isle becomes the game we've all wanted.. but I have a sneaking suspicion that despite amazing videos like yours, diving into the mindsets of the Community, Devs, and Game as a whole.. nothing will change... Side Note: I do also semi-agree with the Zaguer thing. Making a video that is clearly more of your emotion about something, then logic, is a bad idea. But he also put in the facts about it, along with clips and screenshots that proved his points, or backed them up at the least.
@payita6931
7 ай бұрын
Exactly
@anicronyx2313
7 ай бұрын
As someone who also loves The Isle and the concept around it (hence why I make animations for it in the first place), I am very worried for its future. I always try to be positive and see the argument from both sides, and the devs and the community both have massive flawes, as stated in the video. This is one massive reason why I try to stay out of game communities as possible. I'll just react with my fans, talk in the islecord, it's great. But the moment I see something even resembling a "this thing bad lol" mentality, I am just out the door, ready to come back in a week or so. I haven't actually played The Isle in a few months, since the game has become a bit boring for me, but I will always find the concept of it amazing. I truly hope both parties get their shizzle together and try to collectively make the game better.
@chaisgalore
7 ай бұрын
The thing is a lot of people are toxic because they received a toxic reaction. I’m not toxic, but I was banned from the discord JUST for giving constructive criticism, and I was banned for “spreading misinformation” when I was stating my opinion VERY nicely. It also sucks because I’ve been on that discord for 4+ years and I’ve been a part of the community for a while, and they throw away people who actually want the game to thrive because they have “different views”. Different views doesn’t equal hating the game.
@savooge6177
7 ай бұрын
i think the community being so hyper aggressive towards the devs is just the result of how the devs treated them over the last 4 years of evrima. be it leaving the game utterly unplayable for months on end , not fixing major game breaking bugs , not dealing with the hacker epidemic , overpromising and undelivering features , insulting the players at every opportunity they get or just talking down to them like they are just too stupid to get their "vision". all of those combined has given the players every reason to just despise the dev team and be very very annoyed when they make really dumb unneeded and boneheaded decisions like the camera changes. cuz if a different game tried a big questionally change like the camera and the players were generally happy with the game they would totally give it the benefit of the doubt but in the isle we have been burned by the devs soooo much that we always assume the worst when dondi starts spewing nonsence on stream about how this thing needs to change and EVERYONE agrees when they most definitely do not. so TLDR the devs made their bed , now they get to lie in it
@davidpjmckee
7 ай бұрын
I’ve been saying this for a long time, and I’m really glad that someone with more influence is able to make this point. I don’t get why the devs and the game get so much hate, I think for a team of their size they’ve done an amazing job so far. Thank you for this video!
@ElusiveLion741
7 ай бұрын
I had made a comment in another video saying that people should wait for more info before getting angry about a prototype. I immediately got called gaslit and naive for my comment. I agree with you, it seems like anyone who has a different opinion than the majority of the community gets insults hurled at them by the overly toxic crowd.
@akarikazi
7 ай бұрын
"the poor devs" lollll
@Ormais
7 ай бұрын
Not only is The Isle community extremely toxic, but the dinosaur survival genre community as a whole. These same people are in BoB, PoT, even Day of Dragons for all 20 people that play it. I got The Isle in 2016, and for *maybe* a year it wasn't like that, but this has been a long running trait of the community. They are extremely toxic to each other, to the devs, to pretty much everyone. Obviously this isn't everyone in the community, but it is definitely a baffling amount. I hate to just be like "kids these days" but a lot of the community is made up of children & teens who don't know how to properly direct their criticisms. The Reddit post about "going on strike" by review bombing the game you can just tell was written by one of these, calling Dondi a simp and saying he's spending all of "their" money on women. There's now another post that is calling for you to swap to alt accounts to leave negative reviews as well. It's just too much childish behavior. It is black and white with no grey, you are either a hater or a dev bootlicker. It's far too much for a game that they could have, and probably should have, just moved on from by now. There is probably no fixing this either. If the camera update gets rid of a lot of people that will honestly be the best part about it. Let them go.
@rileyno1329
7 ай бұрын
I feel like every single animal survival community is destroying there own games too, path of titans, animialia, the isle, even roblox ones the communites are so toxic they ruin the game
@goldfishmentality
7 ай бұрын
I don't think any of them can truly escape the Isle's influence and community
@Finnboy-ml5jv
7 ай бұрын
In regards to destroying their own game competition, BoB’s community outpaces all of these. The biggest victim of this by far.
@TheKingofCoral
7 ай бұрын
Path of titans community isn’t destroying the game at all the only bad thing about paths community at the top of my head is officials and once again why play officials in the first place lol, animalia isn’t a game at this point
@AnAntarcticScotsman
7 ай бұрын
@@TheKingofCoral PoT's community is bad in that it has loads of meat riders who are reminiscent of some of The Isle's community a few years back. They can't handle much criticism, they praise the Devs for every minor thing, and like some of The Isle's and DoD's community they use the "still in early access" argument for most of it's problems despite having an official release trailer (the first in the whole genre). And I wouldn't say official servers being a cauldron of hate is unique to PoT as The Isle, BoB (tho a "bit" less exclusive) and DoD (somehow) have the same ordeal going on as the community servers are usually actively monitored and have some sort of "fair" restrictions excluding death match servers.
@citizenmitizen5957
7 ай бұрын
@@Finnboy-ml5jv Literally. Game's dead because any change they try to make gets met with screaming, crying, and death threats. Doesn't help that they bend over for the people that do this because they're the only people that continually play the game, so it's stuck in an endless loop. People do the same in The Isle community but the devs don't bend over and spread their cheeks for the people that cry about change unlike the BoB devs. In PoT you can just mod the game however you want so it doesn't really matter either way.
@PIayer0
7 ай бұрын
I remember when I used to always be excited to hop on the isle and just play, now that excitement of hopping on is diminished by terrible decisions after terrible decisions. I still do have hope that the game will eventually succeed and it will be awesome and fun, but they have to start focusing on fixing real current issues instead of creating new ones and letting them all pile up into one giant mess. They have these really good patches only to fuck them over with taking away player freedom (Stam and camera). Anyway great video as usual.
@PIayer0
7 ай бұрын
Second kinda rant, I think it’s honestly better right now to focus on other games and let the isle do it’s thing and pray in the next few years it’s amazing again lol. It’s frustrating but the isle devs are still crazy talented so I’m still excited to see what this game will look like in a year from now
@bronzedragon1022
7 ай бұрын
Agreed. It's honestly exhausting to hop from issue to issue with the Isle. We finally got a good solid update that sorted the lag/rubberbanding issue and improved stamina as well as food water drain. Yes they were issues that should have sorted long before but we got there finally and many of us were just happy to not die to lag. Some players were actually returning after those previous issues had driven them away, but here we are yet again with a massive issue. It's tiring and causes a lot of burnout within the community unnecessarily.
@alunaticwithashotgun9840
7 ай бұрын
I consider myself mostly in the middle although some might call me a bootlicker because I don't hate the game. For example I quite like the new stamina system, I think it's better, now large playables that use stamina for their stronger attacks need to manage their stamina instead of carelessly spamming their attacks. But I don't like the new camera changes (at least the preview we got from Dondi's stream) I think there are much better solutions for the problems they are trying to solve with it.
@ham_sandvich
7 ай бұрын
great video as always couldn’t agree more and honestly ever since i heard abt the isle i’ve been wanting to play the game and recently i got the isle but the toxicity ruined the experience for me so i can’t play the game anymore without getting into an argument❤
@YourAverageSpy955
7 ай бұрын
This is the best video I seen talking about or mentioning the cam changes and have an actual valid statement
@Regalius12
7 ай бұрын
Yeah. It’s sad to see all the hypocrisy in the Isle community 1:08
@MyUniverseinaBox
7 ай бұрын
any reddit community or reddit-like community (like discord) will breed toxicity, it's just how this kind of stuff works The Isle's community is no different from any other. Which is why I do not engage in that whole thing besides sharing feedback in the feedback channel from time to time. HOWEVER the Isle devs do have a part to play in it as well, given the fact that a few of them are rather toxic themselves (coughs, Dondi) also the idea that we shouldn't be criticising this potential camera change just because it's not 'done yet' issss not something I agree with it's best to say something about it as early as possible; and as someone who gets bad motion sickness, you can bet I have strong opinions about any further zooming of the camera
@goldfishmentality
7 ай бұрын
I definitely think people should voice their concerns. It's just the immediate hate train and dev bashing that I cant get behind. Maybe I didn't communicate that very well in the vid. Loved your Isle vid btw
@MyUniverseinaBox
7 ай бұрын
Ohhhhh I see what you mean. I agree with that yeah, it can be really un-called for at times (I especially hate the 'devs go faster' stuff, that is just HOO BOY) but like I said this is just kind of a thing in reddit-like communities, and to make it a bittt better a lot of the time it kinda falls on PR stuff. Also ayo :0 ty!! @@goldfishmentality
@Orangethemartian
7 ай бұрын
@@goldfishmentalityit’s not even suggestions anymore, it’s just plain hate.
@Rumplestiltskin-iy1hf
7 ай бұрын
The islecord regulars aren't too bad most the time, a good combination of healthy criticism and optimism, but yeah, the reddit is a cesspool. Don't always agree with all your opinions, but I love your content, keep up the good work!
@goldfishmentality
7 ай бұрын
Thank you! This would be no fun if everyone loved everything I had to say xD
@savooge6177
7 ай бұрын
i mean i think we should just say they are both toxic cesspools where logic goes to die honestly xD , the only difference between them is that one hates the isle and the devs , and the other thinks they are angels who could do no wrong. you still see some reasonable people on both but for the most part its just that
@karenboy1005
7 ай бұрын
You missed the entire point. The backlash for the camera changes was this severe and this harsh because it's conceptually flawed. A camera that zoomed in will simply not work no matter what they do. The classic "it's a work in progress" isn't gonna convince anyone that it's not gonna suck. It is also a complete waste of time and resources. Nobody wants this, nobody asked for this, and they're doing it anyway instead of allocating that time to something that actually needs improvement, simply because they feel like it. Also, most of the criticism is entirely valid and based on the devs' own words. Dondi himself said that we wouldn't be able to see our dinosaurs anymore, he himself said that we wouldn't be able to see anything on our sides anymore, these are the things that are getting criticized. And then you got devs like Kissen putting even more wood on the fire by making entirely detached statements, like "you'll feel like you ARE the dinosaur now!" when literally everyone already felt like that anyway. The devs not only came up with an entirely useless idea and are wasting time on it, but they're also completely detached from the community, dismissive of their opinions, and even banning people for voicing criticism. Stop painting the community's response as this sort of hive mind, vitriolic reaction, when it's 100% justified and based entirely on what the devs SHOWED and SAID. And let's not pretend like the barbaric side of the community, you know, the one that's review bombing the game or wasting their lives away doomering in the subreddit are the entirety, or even the majority of the reaction. Most feedback I've seen on the discord was civilized and well put together. If the devs can't handle someone saying "this is shit, don't do this" then that just shows how thin skinned they are.
@thegooberinviolet
7 ай бұрын
thank you for the tips on how to be a better future dev :)
@colinrogers9896
7 ай бұрын
As someone who used to always critique the isle, I have left the game for the most part. I do still stay up to date with the updates, but from the release of gateway (and a little before) to today I have gained a whole 60 hours compared to my 2700 at the launch of gateway. The community was way too toxic and the game just wasn’t fun, so I did the sensible thing and left a toxic situation. I do genuinely want to see the isle do well but I’ve given up on waiting.
@Tabletopcloud20
7 ай бұрын
I haven't kept up with the Isle in over two years, and wow, things really went south fast.
@aliablackwell8311
6 ай бұрын
I love this game. Im excited to see where it goes.
@shlingusdingus4174
7 ай бұрын
That's why I have to go on hiatus for months at a time. I'm not typically a negative person, and The Isle is truly one of my favorite survival games. But the players, the community, and the energy that people inject into the game, along with its gameplay issues, literally sours my being and I have to step away from it from time to time. At some point, I was someone who wanted realism, but I get why that's an issue. It's not possible. And I see now that many other people don't want to struggle, we want an experience.
@robboss204
7 ай бұрын
I agree that the community of the isle is really toxic but then again the isle devs really do deserve every backlash or non constructive criticism they recieve Ihonestly have never seen a more incompetent arrogant stubborn and lazy dev team ever (excluding the devs of games such as day of dragons, animalia etc.because they are obvious scams) also I would not worry about the isle subreddit reddit has never been a place for healrhy minded people anyways and the isle subreddit is no different
@TheKingofCoral
7 ай бұрын
The isle used to be so immersive even now on legacy it feels real especially the combat
@mechasov
7 ай бұрын
This sucks because i really want the game to be ok and the community to be fun and inviting. My goal this year us to finaly find friends to play the isle with but with this drama and the recent amount of toxicity I've been very distant inotder to not cause or ve involved in this drama.
@canadianfatty9473
7 ай бұрын
I’ve found my friend group in legacy a herbie herd the the northernmost of the map. It’s seems since evrima 90% of the people you encounter are blood thirsty sweats that kill everything from juvie troodon the killing your own as a non cannibal and such even a lot of the people from that herbie herd who still play the isle have become like this myself included and I find it’s because once you hit adult it’s basically a deathmatch nobody nests cause it’s to hard and tedious and 90% of the baby’s die anyway other than that there nothing else to do but fight. But I believe there is hope for us once they add elders into the game it’ll give people a purpose passed adult they’ll have something to like for like in there juvie hours I think end game content it’s a big key for to bring people out of the deathmatch mentality when they hit adult of course it won’t change everyone but it’ll give somthing to do so we won’t have to kill out of complete boredom
@LegendaryFoundingTitan
3 ай бұрын
I think both camera systems would be nice when your a bigger creature seeing on 3rd person in a dense forest trying to fight utahs is nearly impossible to see them the other camera would help with that small issue and it would look good for some thumbnails with that close up camera view.
@michaelcrews4982
7 ай бұрын
Haha. I love this game and support it. I have yet to have any full grown dinosaur, due to getting eating by other players. Overall though I support this game and cannot wait for it to finally be completed.
@liambollinger9430
7 ай бұрын
Though idk what to feel on this since I haven’t played in awhile and still do but it makes me feel less since idk why I still feel a tiny microscopic bit of hope just SOMETHING will change for the better ,and I’m luckily glad I haven’t encountered the toxic community or devs yet just the announcements
@Its_me_Stolas
7 ай бұрын
Wait, there are problems in The Isl? Strange. Everything seems fine to me
@OHT-08
7 ай бұрын
I saw a build and reload button in the controls for the isle if any of you see interestsd
@Bwepo_fish
7 ай бұрын
I also think the reason why this is how people act is because they want to they want anger out there system or something And that can get easily be put together with the genuine toxicity Or that’s what I think could be wrong
@vivalavalentina
2 ай бұрын
oh the poor, poor devs.
@vladline1882
7 ай бұрын
The Isle Dinos isn't even Paleo accurate but will approach realism hardcore. Lol And Path of Titans has almost Paleo accurate Dinos but doesn't go with realism gameplay approach.
@Scarecrow3556
7 ай бұрын
I'd love to actually sit down with a dev and actually talk with them, no interview no bashing, just talking to them and trying to find out why the game is going the way it is.
@Some1-2
7 ай бұрын
6:44 for my 10 years (i playd the very first betta) of the isle, and my personal expiriance with dondi, he likes to rise bad reactions out of the comunaty, in the passed he calld the comunaty, "he's lab rates" , he did moltipal times showing somting, that he know ppl wouldn’t like it, and relised, like he showd us, without going theru test . Im not saying this because i hate the game, (i realy want this game to get better), im just giving my expiriance.
@Orangethemartian
7 ай бұрын
Are you ok? It looks like you had a stroke while writing this comment😅
@Some1-2
7 ай бұрын
@@Orangethemartian i did, *crys No, simply is my desleixia taking over me.
@smansam
7 ай бұрын
I wish we could refund early access games at any point I just can't be fucked about this game anymore
@ronjohnson2760
7 ай бұрын
I dont really play the isle and I imagine that the camera changes you talked about are just the latest in a long string of excuses people have had to dog on the design direction but the camera is a big deal. Camera troubles can totally ruin a game to the point of it being unplayable. There may be some justification for people not being happy.
@goldfishmentality
7 ай бұрын
Absolutely. I dislike the idea as well. I just wish people were more civil and strived to behave better than the devs
@ronjohnson2760
7 ай бұрын
@@goldfishmentality Right, and i think that a lot of the anger comes from the frustration of not being listened to. This game has been out for like 9 years. Thats a really long time, and if the devs are constantly pushing changes and ignoring feedback thats gonna cause people to turn on them. Some people may certainly be unreasonable but ive been gaming long enough to know that you dont generate this kind of near universal anger by accident unless the developers are truely idiots. This is what you see happen when the developers think they know whats best and ignore what the players want entirely. WoW has had to endure this too where the developers tried to tell the players what fun was and then totally ignore feedback. It didnt work very well for them at all.
@mistingwolf
7 ай бұрын
I stay out of the community areas. To be fair, The Isle community has always been in a downward spiral (not at all helped by the devs also being as sour as lemons with their _F You - I do what I want_ mentality [Which, yes, they can certainly do whatever they want! ]). I was around and played the game when there was barely a map to its name, when Shant and T-Rex were the only options. For all the time spent, there really haven't been many positive changes regarding play; the game has, in my opinion, just been getting more and more boring and annoying. Bleed and leg breakage are the worst offenders, the ever-changing game balance is still an issue, and there's STILL NOTHING TO DO. There are no goals beyond "survive as long as you can" which just leads to sitting sims and AFK growing. That's not much of a game, it's just a really pretty chat room with the occasional attack that makes you start over. I pop in now and again to see how things are going, and aside from the quite lovely animal models, I'm not particularly impressed with the "progress." It's been, like, a decade and I got tired of waiting, I guess.
@goldfishmentality
7 ай бұрын
Totally valid
@Orangethemartian
7 ай бұрын
@@goldfishmentalityyep
@Gmh-
7 ай бұрын
Offtopic but Why aren’t you on Malevelon Creek? We need reinforcements on the creek helldiver
@goldfishmentality
7 ай бұрын
Major's orders good sir. I returned promptly to the front thereafter 🫡
@smefour
7 ай бұрын
FYI: The Camera changes were only a concept they are playing around with and will NOT be added into the game
@NOWAHERRAMAIN
7 ай бұрын
Tell the goofy redditors that
@sifumonkey78
7 ай бұрын
I'm pretty sure kissen said that the camera will be getting changed but maybe not as much as dondi showed
@brianaburch9854
7 ай бұрын
@@sifumonkey78she did but Punchpacket just told us all yesterday that it was more of concept and not for sure coming and nothing was officially announced. Which is such a weird statement to make after such an intense insistence, but alrighty.
@bronzedragon1022
7 ай бұрын
Just smells like backtracking after a load of backlash tbh.
@citizenmitizen5957
7 ай бұрын
@@bronzedragon1022 He literally said it on stream when he first showed off the new camera
@ToxicMonkey705
7 ай бұрын
I know this game has a pretty unique experience where the community gets to actively watch the dev process, but i think the game might be healthier and the overall morale of the community would be better if they didn't show things that weren't complete. At least not major things like the camera. Punch did some damage control today about it but i feel it comes off as the dev team not being fully aware of what dondi has planned. In dondis stream he never said it would be an optional thing, but punch clarified and said if they were to change the cameras, it would be a toggle option for us. The game also has not really seen that much progress in the last two years. I feel like the community is at a tipping point and i understand why there are so many "doomers". Games in early access usually have to make serious ground pretty quick to gain traction and be successful. Ark was in E.A for about 6 years, but every year it had great progress and was the only game of its kind, Studio Wildcard is ofc much larger than Afterthought, however, Ark recovered from some rocky things bc the devs were consolidated and made steady progress and did not have to recode their game and make another map from scratch. I want this game to succeed, and you're absolutely right in that this game should have more players playing it, it should be huge. But it isn't, and as hard of a pill as it may be to swallow, this game really only has another two years to make substantial progress and right the ship with their PR or its done. This game really does not seem to have a complete vision, and this is a killer for any game. They want to make a sandbox, which means we as players get to make the game our experience as we see fit. Like Punch said before, they give us the tools for us to make our own experiences with it, and this is fine, but we need those features and tools faster, we need to have things come out in updates that are actually finished. I cant honestly tell you the last time this game added something that was fully finished. Gateway was buggy and still has problems especially performance. Cera, stego, and deino are seeing additions or changes to their kits, troodon and dilo venom is not complete, migrations aren't done, nesting was killed, stam has been reworked so many times although now its in a good state. Mutations are almost done apparently, but id bet serious money they will be buggy and incomplete. Anyone that thinks like this isn't a doomer necessarily, they are just seeing the patterns and the writing is on the wall that The Isle is not in a great state rn. Again i want to be very wrong, i want the devs to cook and give us a great game. But they seriously need to think about quieting down, not showing things that are prototypes, clarifying if things are optional or not, and above all else reassuring that they are sticking to some kind of Roadmap, and not just for dinos but actual features, enough jumping ship to go work on camera crap when your game runs like trash on most rigs, and your map has invisible holes. Start finalizing the key features u want in your game, then go right to performance, then start adding in any extra stuff you wanna do. They keep jumping around and it is frustrating for true fans of the game like me who are trying to die on the hill defending it. Sorry for the rant, I like your channel and your approach to things with this game. We got to be realistic and pray that the devs get their act together and start hammering away with the work that must be done. Hopefully we can see a great game at the end of all this nonsense lately.
@Adeerwithnotlogic
7 ай бұрын
This is why I don’t rlly play the isle anymore (I sometimes play legacy but not often after they added mixpacking haha) The community is incredibly toxic. The devs are toxic, the players can be toxic, and if already cynical and pessimistic enough I don’t really need more negativity
@Orangethemartian
7 ай бұрын
Indeed, but I have only played for at least 5 hours so I’ve only met the chill and good side of the isle people. I only quit because the game is just a boring loop (to me). You just pick a dinosaur, grownup, die, repeat. There is no _real_ aspect of gameplay besides “cool dinosaur game!!!1!!21211!” It’s really boring and it’s just not very fun. The devs have milked the game and idea dry and it’s now just bland.
@NOWAHERRAMAIN
7 ай бұрын
2:14 I asked one of them why they are doing. This and he said just to poss off don’t “it’s fun” he said I don’t agree what there doing it’s idiotic and immature (love your videos btw)
@Omega.Ronin3
7 ай бұрын
Online Gaming used to be fun, even with the competitive trash talking but now people just be talking to argue over nothing. It’s that more a- holes are gaming, and bringing their real life toxic bs into it. You have people who purposely sabotage their own teams in games like Rocket League, be AFK in RPG style or dungeon games so you and the team do all the work and they get rewards. Then in PoT, the people who would mixpack/kos and cause issues, tell others to go to community servers just for them to follow and continue doing it. This why more people are playing single player games aside from the Fortnite, 2k, madden and CoD fanatics.
@lofi7070
7 ай бұрын
Imo, I think the camera changes are inherently bad. They're trying to fix the issue of ambushes being too easy so avoid which is understandable and I can maybe agree but changing the camera is no where near the right move. If you have an ambush ability that makes a loud noise and a delay when performing it and decide to change the camera to literally handicap the prey, sure you've technically fixed the issue but at the major detriment of the player experience. This is really a common issue with the devs. They find a problem with the game and create a solution but the solution doesn't work because it doesn't address the actual issue.
@DejiDigital
7 ай бұрын
why are you talking about the isle and not having isle footage playing on screen?
@kelskora
7 ай бұрын
The community has always been this way, for years. I've been bullied in the past for my skin mod when I was new to it. And because it wasn't the best at the time I was treated terribly. Even the moderators themselves didn't do much to help. One in particular saying if it was better I'd get less shade. A combination of this and seeing how Dondi treats people and his competition led me to resent the community and its devs. It even further solidified this when Dondi prevented me from getting a work in progress commission from their 3D artist. Because dondi "didn't like it". Even outside of my experience he has: bullied members of his community, they horribly handled the pedo accusations for paradym, have continuously made horrible decisions since Evrima that have made people angry the latest of which being the stamina changes. Now the camera. People are tired of this. It's been 8 years and it's still the same game cycle. Nothing has fundamentally changed. We still don't have the major promises like humans, strains, anything. So yes I think it's natural people are tired of the devs making these poor decisions and not listening to people. Even fair criticism results in bullying by the devs or being banned.
@Adude420
7 ай бұрын
I mean that’s why I don’t play on official Servers. They are so toxic. Rp servers are so much more fun and way more forgiving for new players.
@thestondfrog
7 ай бұрын
yay new post
@rippy4260
7 ай бұрын
it has come to a point where pot has more views overall
@sifumonkey78
7 ай бұрын
It doesn't help that the lead dev is really toxic
@Regalius12
7 ай бұрын
People should strive to be better than the devs
@v8hyp
7 ай бұрын
someone being toxic doesnt make it okay for otheres to act the same way
@sifumonkey78
7 ай бұрын
@@v8hyp I wasn't defending the community being toxic I was just saying that they reflect the lead dev
@ScottM436
7 ай бұрын
I agree. People complaining about every new thing is toxic. Then after the "new" thing has been implemented they forget all about it. It just becomes normal and people don't remember when it wasn't this way. The thing is there are a lot of ways to play this game and people think everyone should play it their way. Lol, I was typing this when you started complaining about the stam system. I was about to say how much I like about the stam system. Now that it recovers while trotting, I like it. I hate as a carno taking on 5 utahs and they can go sit in a bush for 30 seconds to get stam then come back. Once again, I agree with people bitching about the camera system without even seeing the final system. What's funny is not a single one has brought up the fact that they already changed the camera system before and brought the camera further in a long time ago. Like I said, it just becomes normal for people. As far as the camera system, they just said in their discord that it was just showing some internal testing and if it did come out it would just be for community servers as an option. So to sum up, I agree with everything you said, besides the stam. I enjoy the game more along with a lot of people I play with now that the game is slowed down.
@brianaburch9854
7 ай бұрын
I don't hate the devs for trying new things. Trying new things is part of how they've done such great work with animations and sound design. The look and feel of the game is fantastic. Is the community toxic? Yep. It's an animal survival game. It's multiplayer. It's got the devs it has. Multiplayer games, by their nature attract all kinds of folks, including toxic personalities, and part of the devs' jobs are to navigate that and set examples. They're terrible at it usually, so we get what we get. As far as the fov stuff, folks are rightfully nervous that a new camera system would make something they love unplayable (physically or annoyance wise) based on what they've seen (wip or not just like concept art) and comments by all devs involved. I saw some cesspool feedback. Absolutely. But plenty there was also plenty reasonable suggestions met with gaslighting from devs and it's not the first time. There were devs suggesting folks were lying about having seizures from the night vision because they don't take criticism well whether its reasonable or not. Changing a camera view this late into development is risky business and the devs know that. They knew they'd get pushback. I don't think they knew they'd get that much feedback in such a tsunami of general agreement for the first time ever in the community... but they certainly knew they'd get feedback. I can respect a wait and see approach over violent hatred, but some things really don't need to be realized or tested out to say they're bad for the game. Dragons are cool, but they're bad for *this* game. The kind of fov and camera being describe, even with partially clear grass and foliage is a recipe for motion sickness and insanely messy combat when that combat was designed with our current camera in mind. The devs are going to have to spend soooo much time and energy changing core parts of the game just to make this camera playable. Even the reasonable folks who just want to see the game grow are tired after a near decade of watching this cycle of changes that have real potential to hurt the game, some of which have (like stam changes making active growing the less viable strategy). As a less ranty end, good to see you post another vid. You keep doing you, and I can't wait to see what work you do with fixing critters in the game :)
@IndominusRex-wc1ey
7 ай бұрын
"Recipe for motion sickness" EVEN IF it wasn't, in a world where motion sickness or other motion related illnesses didn't exist, this change is STILL bad. Tenontosaurus and Strgosaurus being unable to see where their opponents are at all cripples them so hard they become just genuinely unplayable, staying behind a teno or stego will just become easier than staying in front of them
@brianaburch9854
7 ай бұрын
@@IndominusRex-wc1ey agreed. I've said more than once that these changes would increase the viability of tail riding again. Obviously it's still not as easy with the alt turns and attacks, but its more viable if the person has to full on turn just to see what's on their tail.
@IndominusRex-wc1ey
7 ай бұрын
@@brianaburch9854 so funny thing about all turns You won't be able to 180 alt turn if the opponent is fully behind you anymore because you can't turn around enough to see that angle to alt turn to You just can't get a tail rider off you
@brianaburch9854
7 ай бұрын
@@IndominusRex-wc1ey that's why I said you could use an alt bite to get someone off your tail. It might not land, but the tail riding is, in theory, done. It's still not great, but I wanted to acknowledge that possibility if I was mentioning tail riding.
@IndominusRex-wc1ey
7 ай бұрын
@@brianaburch9854 but you can't bite behind you Because you can't look behind you Because alt biting requires camera directions So the alt bite will not work and the tail riding is still bad
@valiatus6719
7 ай бұрын
Devs are shit people, the players are toxic is anyone surprised?
@Regalius12
7 ай бұрын
People should strive to be better than the devs
@schuey3828
4 ай бұрын
lol the game is imploding itself! its also got a new trick.. its able to crash my wifi with a fatal error lol been here for 8 years or more, i think, its fked it self so bad, i have no words.
@brunoyess
7 ай бұрын
i agree
@RoyalTheRebel
6 ай бұрын
The devs do shit at a snail pace and promise stuff that they know wont come out for years to come. At some point after youve spent 15-20 dollars on a product its fine to bitch about how they interact with the community imo and telling people to just shut up because they get tired of it also isnt the solution.
@purpleonii
7 ай бұрын
Yes, you are part of the cycle.
@thecoolbritishguy8733
7 ай бұрын
yo
@yeetasaurus5195
7 ай бұрын
there is a difference between a idea and a blatant horrible idea. this idea was never asked, never a problem, and never needed. all it will do is create more drama, more toxicity, and longer development. the camera isn't the problem with all this ambushing and stego op bs, its the way the dinos are balanced. for example, stego can swing its tail at mac 2, can turn on a dime, fast, and has alot of stam. what do you think the problem is? cause it sure as hell aint a camera problem.
@KRIM_DUBZ
7 ай бұрын
I just want more dinos :(
@sziklamester1244
7 ай бұрын
PvP like games usually more toxic simply by the fact these games promote competition and players whom participate in it are competitive in mentality and not cooperative. Two different idea and mentality and players usually want to play, have fun and win, if these are there in a game then they can enjoy it. Be team player is a different kind of way to play the game but that's requires a different mentality and 90% of people are competing. Simply biology and evolution. Also as a player you can have always standards and as a developer you always have standards and needs to please yourself and the community. You cannot do it to everyone because nobody invented a game that universally seen as great. Different people needs different things in games and all depends on what the game can offer and what the target audience is. The Isle devs are not great nor evil but their communication is mainly stem from one person's ideas (just like my bosses where I work) so it is a hard way. The playerbase is usually loves dinos, that is the main point of this game and players likes it. It's not better or worse by that much what warframe, destiny, lol, dota2, planetside 2, (pick any mmo here) is. Different games with different communities but all can be toxic and chilly. Patience is not something you can find in today's gaming scene because the real life events pressing people out and inside and if you cannot enjoy some chill moment in fantasy worlds like games or books etc, then you will be frustrated and frustration cause more toxicity. I personally have an opinion on realism in games but often not an achievable thing. Simply because what you "as a developer" (personally not developer yet) think it is realism it is not, because that is an artificially created system. Also as mentionned in other words players seek the fun and if a game is not fun or constantly going toward into some kind of never achievable and inconvenient way to play the game "because the dev imagined this way, this is the intended way to play" then a lot of players will just simply leave or in worse case will bash the devs and drown the game reputation into the pit. I like the game almost the way it is, because in evrima the movement is better, mostly the fights better and not attacks others tail and you win and the environment goes better time to time. The selection of dinos could be better, chat needs to be readded and mod support necessary to keep the game relevant. These are my thoughts on it but surely there are many ideas left there.
@Banbro88
4 ай бұрын
Ya know what's sad lol I got a gaming PC just for the Isle 😂 Guess what I'm not longer playing? Yup 😂
@hotpotato481
7 ай бұрын
Its funny that you say the community is the worst, when the community made the silly -- TECH DEMO -- of Legacy even fun and playable to begin with. And all we get for that is Devs that want to sink the ship. I have 1600 hours in the game and yeah, I left.
@All-TimersCondensedBoxing
7 ай бұрын
So The Isle community was mature, sweet, and patient up until the point the devs turned them all into childish, whiney babies? Or, were The Isle devs super nice and the community was juvenile and rude so the devs became rude in return? Or, were both sides out of line from the start and this thing was doomed to be toxic? I really don't care about any of it. I love the game and hope they keep building on it but for anyone to say for one second that the devs turned this community toxic is total nonsense. I've seen how you children treat each other while playing. Did the devs make you play all toxic and rude towards each other?
@akospozsgai1706
7 ай бұрын
fps for dinosaurs wont work. No matter what anyone say it just wont work, its even pointless do work on it waisting precius time from adding new creatures
@dr.archaeopteryx5512
7 ай бұрын
Cope ass take. The devs are the ones responsible for making their games community as toxic as it is. "Appreciating them" won't change shit unless they gets their acts together and check their egos. And I don't know about everybody else, but the Isle ain't my whole life, and being a part time hater on a crappy game is just kinda fun, ya know. ...Then again I'm not one of the masochists who actually uses the Islecord so maybe I'm just too powerful
@Bwepo_fish
7 ай бұрын
Blub
@dier7144
7 ай бұрын
Never stop doing what you do bro
@Orangethemartian
7 ай бұрын
Keep going!
@alexboldman1807
7 ай бұрын
i understand the lets talk it out part but it is in human nature to pick sides; our everyday life is picking sides its going to happen but those sides dont have to be violent and a middle ground can be found. now the devs like you said are not safe either from what ive heard and seen dondi seems to be a egomaniac manchild but i dont know this for sure but from the general attitude toward him and his actions i can only assume its true and it hurts. i remember watching videos of legacy from KZitemrs like anthomnia and the gaming beaver and i loved the concept by the time i could play the game myself it was already in evrima update 4.5 i think (just before cera gali and troo) and it was fun then gateway came out and i wasnt abe to play then but when i did and i saw that what i heard was true it disappointed me realisim is the sauce to the isle gameplay steak you dont want it to overpower the dish but complement it; the stam change ruined the somewhat balance of that dish since the revert its ok could be better. one solution is to take a page from the old valve handbook on involving the community ,hold votes for mechanics and dinos, get the general opinion on this and that could help fix the isles issues the dev team sadly cant be fixed and i dont say that all of them are bad but some "cough,cough"dondi"cough,cough" have some issues .if there is something to take away from all of this its that 1 realisim should be on the side and not be the main attraction 2 we need to involve the community more 3 we all have faults but that dosent mean that we can excuse our actions.
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