The Optimus is one good looking water block. Like probably my favorite aesthetics wise. That being said. Calling Roman out for his testing is just wild. One thing I've always noticed is the strict way he tests, immaculate attention to detail and access to some equipment most YT reviewers don't. Of all the people to call out, he would be one of the lasts ones. His whole business rests on what he is known for, precision. What weirdos...
@BleepBlop-rh9lm
10 ай бұрын
I prefer the Heatkiller. It's amazingly beautiful.
@undefwun2135
10 ай бұрын
@@BleepBlop-rh9lm My list of parts for my next build, in Q1 hopefully, actually has had the Heatkiller (both CPU and GPU) on it for months. Their stuff no doubt looks amazing. While I do like the Optimus counterparts a little more look wise, the cost is more than double once you factor in conversion to AUD and shipping (I can source Heatkiller from a local importer), so Heatkiller is staying on the list.
@tacticalcenter8658
10 ай бұрын
I'm calling out the testing. I want to see more than just a single 10x render bench and gaming. Give us prime95, linpack etc.
@mikezappulla4092
10 ай бұрын
@@tacticalcenter8658why. No one runs small FFTs all day. If you are checking for stability I guess you could use linpack if you are checking for stability of an overclock cpu and ram. At least cinebench is Avx which you will find in games and is not checking for ram stability.
@optimuswatercooling
10 ай бұрын
Hey, Optimus here, glad you like the look of our blocks! Glad Derbauer approves of our block, we put a lot of work into making it :) And we'll take away the marketing guy's coffee :D. For testing, there are different ways of testing and we're very passionate about benchmarking, which is why we have a full detailed writeup about what we do. Our customers like us testing the top CPUs, like the 7950x, at full load, so 250w. The test here was at ~145w, so that 100w will give very different results because most blocks struggle at those higher wattages. We also like testing using the same interface material, because then the numbers can be apples-to-apples. The DD vs IHS test here showed the Mycro with liquid metal vs the Optimus with paste.
@SmogginMog
10 ай бұрын
Those poor engineers at Optimus don't deserved to be saddled with their horrible marketing department.
@philth7587
10 ай бұрын
I don't know that they even have a department of anything. I think it's a pretty small operation. I wanted a 4090 FE block from them. Gave up waiting though. A shame that they do talk crap instead of just letting the products speak for themselves
@minhajul94
10 ай бұрын
It's like 3 or 4 guys lol
@-szega
10 ай бұрын
The engineers are the marketing department lol
@gutterg0d
10 ай бұрын
@-szega Which is kind of obvious when you start thinking about it. They don't communicate what the customers need to know about the product. They communicate the things they want the world to think about it, which is what people proud of their work tend to do.
@mddunlap03
10 ай бұрын
Same with amd they matched the last Gen 6800xt with a 20% smaller die and instead of calling it the 7600xt marketing said same money same performance as lest gen but 20% MORE profit...looks like almost no uplift over last Gen when it's 7800xt should be close to the 7900xt
@BoredDSM
10 ай бұрын
Purchased a 3090 ftw waterblock from them during launch. Received it with the nickel coating flaking off and they stated it was fine. A month later it started corroding and contaminated my loop. They said they would warranty it and said I would have to buy another block for the fastest turn around and then they would refund me. It has been over a year now and I still reach out regularly with absolutely zero response. I would steer clear of this company! They make bold claims of a 10 year warranty but when its time to honor it you are left with the bill!
@Mildly_Amused
10 ай бұрын
Optimus claims to have a long warranty, but when the coating started coming off their RTX 3090 Kingpin blocks, Optimus told people that the blocks are out of production and no replacement parts are available. The only option was to have the customers ship them back to Optimus and have them recoated. UPS shipping with insurance for a Kingpin block cost more than having a local shop strip and recoat the blocks.
@wahidtrynaheghugh260
7 ай бұрын
Lmfao all their talk about the special coating they do that doesn’t flake off and nobody does it because it’s expensive and doesn’t look look as nice as electroplated nickel… and it flaked right off LOL
@Um-icky
10 ай бұрын
I've seen techies wear anti-static gloves before handling computer electronics. But first time seeing rubbing a cat for same protection😁
@jlelelr
10 ай бұрын
that's pro tip
@Fatpumpumlovah2
10 ай бұрын
If ur a regular viewer u would know his flooring for review build room is rubber
@michaellegg9381
10 ай бұрын
Cats absorb static electricity ⚡⚡ every time I pat my cat I get a ⚡ so they will definitely cop the bolt 🔩 before the PC does 😁
@jesperdalsgaard5164
10 ай бұрын
That could have been CATastrophic
@Ruiso7
10 ай бұрын
Nah those gloves are for fingerprints and oils to get into some of the parts, if they wear anti static it usually goes on their ankle so it is out of the way.
@DrDAC-go7hs
10 ай бұрын
Great video. I really appreciate your honesty and professionalism. Optimus are known for talking down their competition and acting shady, they've been called out before when doing so on Reddit.
@1_2_die2
10 ай бұрын
Thanks for testing against murky marketing. Shady behavior from Optimus to say the least. But now with all the other medias involved we will hopefully see the complete picture. (the world needs more cats)
@trip5003
10 ай бұрын
Sadly there are tons of homeless ones , poor creatures
@johngoodman5094
10 ай бұрын
Shady behavior is Optimus's specialty
@tacticalcenter8658
10 ай бұрын
Why doesn't he just use ptime95 and more tests like it? Theres more workloads than just gaming and render.
@tacticalcenter8658
10 ай бұрын
@@optimuswatercooling stop being brainwashed.
@optimuswatercooling
10 ай бұрын
Hey, Optimus here, we'll have a talk with our marketing guy, he drinks a LOT of coffee :D We stand by our numbers and are very much looking forward to Gamers Nexus and other testing! As was pointed out, there are multiple ways to test. Many customers request performance testing from us at full load on the top CPUs, so a 7950x at full wattage (~255w) vs the 7700x at ~145w like tested here. Also, very stable testing for long-term performance is requested, especially if it's for business use. We like Prime 95 and similar because the settings allow for an extremely stable load at 10 minutes, which is not always the case with a 10-20 second test like Cinebench or gaming.
@Naga2x
10 ай бұрын
Here in Europe we are not used to companies comparing themselves, but from what I've seen in the US is pretty typical to go against the competition full boar.
@heslo8767
10 ай бұрын
Good on you Roman! I've been following your channel for a while now and your products even longer. You make GREAT stuff (content and hardware included) and if I didn't already have an IceMan DD kit I would have purchased your Mycro block. What Optimus did is pretty unprofessional to be honest so it's great you calling them out on it; the fact they even feel the need to do it speaks wonders in my book! Even though they didn't treat you fairly you still gave them a glowing review of their hardware and workmanship. Props to you dude, you're a class act!
@gymnastchannel7372
3 ай бұрын
Roman, thank you for being classy as well as objective. Many of us will support companies with strong ethics such as yours. Have a good day.
@tpanther9567
10 ай бұрын
Having GN doing the testing is going to be an interesting test. I am not a water cooling person but I do enjoy the knowledge that gets put forth when the testing is done.
@thomasburchsted3287
18 күн бұрын
Dude you have shown to be one of the most up front and honest reviewers. Wearing your other hat at Thermal Grizzly; I’ve been impressed with all of your products. I’ve got TG direct die on 7950X3D, and it’s been great!
@sithyarael6807
10 ай бұрын
Your way of testing is more real world scenario. And using the same testing across all is actually the best way to do it.
@Thisandthat8908
10 ай бұрын
which should come as no surprise to anybody. Company or user. This is how you compare products properly.
@johngoodman5094
10 ай бұрын
Its insane that they test under multi-hour P95 with a chiller and say that is somehow a more correct method.
@tacticalcenter8658
10 ай бұрын
Its not more real world. I do more than just games and rendering
@tacticalcenter8658
10 ай бұрын
@@johngoodman5094no its not insane
@optimuswatercooling
10 ай бұрын
Hey there, to clarify, we test using a temp regulator at 25c, which isolates the water temp and doesn't let it fluctuate, it also takes the fans and radiator and room temp out of the equation. It's a very scientific way to get extremely accurate results. Regarding P95, we do 10 minute tests, which is pretty standard. 10-20 Cinebench tests and gaming can have a lot of variation in the load (wattage)@@johngoodman5094
@saw141
10 ай бұрын
I deeply respect and value your honesty and integrity. Ever since I learned about you, you have never seemed like anything less than an honest enthusiast.
@ominguti6345
10 ай бұрын
I'm not surprised at all 😂 I actually own a Mycro on top of a delided 7950x and the performance I'm getting out of that cooler is exactly as advertised (20C difference compared with a 360 AIO on top of a non delided cpu). I think at this point at these power levels we're really being limited by the heat transfer through the silicon the most. A bigger block is not going to help. Thinning the die would. This is the best explanation of the results for me.
@Xamy-
10 ай бұрын
If you are game to thin the die, report back to us, lol.
@LunarGhostII
10 ай бұрын
I have your block, and when I saw this new block release I was very surprised at the claims. Ngl was considering getting this but after seeing your testing, you just saved me $300+. Still a bit miffed that it took so long for the Mycro to release but the product is amazing. I do think the snide commentary from Optimus is ridiculous considering your testing scenario is much more real world than their used pump speed and chiller. Its nice to see the performance from the extreme end but realistically who the hell has all that given the application.
@choggi
10 ай бұрын
Your products are so good that other people trash talk them, congrats :)
@1kreature
10 ай бұрын
They are correct in one respect though: Using a chiller to test, keeping the water temperature constant and thus eliminating the water->air variance from the radiator. There is a positive feedback loop in efficiency for any radiator where higher water temperature allows higher energy transfer from water to air through radiator. What we want to know for a waterblock is simply best transfer of heat from CPU to water. Room temp and water temp will influence this a bit. You try and compensate for this by subtracting water temperature but if water temperature has changed it has changed the premises for the rest of the thermal deltas in the test. Not by much probably, but the margins are so small here.
@Vanadium
10 ай бұрын
Welp yeah but no. If your room temp is the same you have results you can use.
@Crftbt
10 ай бұрын
Looking forward to Steves results in addition to the excellent data you've provided today.
@rotony1
9 ай бұрын
The cat needs water cooling too.
@laurensbrantsen
8 ай бұрын
Roman, absolute class act in acknowledging the positives of the Signature V3, while also objectively showing the false marketing in a respectful manner. I find the marketing of Optimus quite hostile, this only shows overall weakness. Also, for Optimus saying that your (or any other customer's) testing methodology is wrong, is kinda sad. I really hope that Optimus will revise their PR and marketing, as from a technical standpoint, it is a very high quality product. I really hope that if Optimus's marketing departement is actually a separate marketing departement, that they will revise their strategy. If the marketing department is the same group of engineering people, please hire a good marketing person/team. Acknowledge that you are very good in developing a high quality product (that deserves respect), but that marketing is a different profession that can make or break a company's reputation, regardless of the product quality.
@floodo1
10 ай бұрын
Always keepin it real, never any fakery
@nik12937
10 ай бұрын
I think once you get to the performance demonstrated by both Thermal Grizzly's and Optimus's blocks, most high-end, direct-die waterblocks are going to perform within margin of error and the deciding factors for the customer are really going to come down to aesthetics, ease of installation, and price to performance. The Mycro is over $100 cheaper and has RGB for those who want it. I guess what I'm getting at is the Optimus block doesn't really have anything special to set it apart, other than is exorbitant price.
@alt5494
10 ай бұрын
Personally don't think you or optimus are wrong your testing methods are dramatically different. Theirs test is substantially different at significantly higher power input. It was wrong on your part to compare thermal paste against liquid metal while testing their claim. Also when comparing a practical test verses a maximum test the delta will be less extreme. Using a lower power CPU has a similar effect. I do agree completely with you it is wrong to name your competition in marketing without independent testing.
@pioneer_ma
10 ай бұрын
It was absolutely expected. Thank you, for verification, Roman. There was no way to beat mdd block by 10 degrees, physics are still there. I could have believed in couple degrees by making even more aggressive and restricitve micro channels, but 10C - no way) P.S. BTW, using Mycro Direct Die block since it's release - everything's perfect. My 7950x3d lost like 20-25 degrees.
@der8auer-en
10 ай бұрын
Thanks a lot!
@muhammadghazali1707
3 күн бұрын
Jaystwocents would really love this!!!!!
@Crftbt
10 ай бұрын
I like how der8bauer posts a video of the king of water cooling same day Gamers Nexus posts their Best CPU Air coolers video. :)
@KaPono2
4 ай бұрын
7700X is such a great 👍 gaming CPU, my son absolutely loves it in his PC
@All_Dead_In_Shimoda
10 ай бұрын
Steve will sort this out 😉 Personally i was all set to buy a block from Optimus for my 4090, but after reading the shit show actually getting your hands on one i pulled the pin 🤷🏻♂️
@rustler08
10 ай бұрын
All-in-all, I'm happy with the Core 1 that I purchased. It's a very reasonable price, it looks good, and it's not absurdly large.
@wtcamer
10 ай бұрын
Crazy to see and Steve will shoot straight and call them like he sees them.
@chengong388
4 ай бұрын
If you have massive surface area with water, the naturally you want to make the temperature differential between water and the heat sink as big as possible with a water chiller, this will maximize your surface area advantage.
@sentraselify
10 ай бұрын
Glad to see you playing it neutral Roman. You always seemed to play things fair. I'm curious to see results cause most of them beat my corsair xc7(I think it's a xc7). But I'm happy where I'm at. Thanks for all the work
@carlchristenisnes6763
10 ай бұрын
I think that 'derBauer' is on to something... regarding reviews, he has always 'spot on' but acknowledges that a second review would be good... kudos to derbauer for that - i trust his reviewes even more now
@daigriffiths399
10 ай бұрын
That type of advertising ('we're better than our named competitors') is common in the USA but not in Europe. I was over there on placement for a year some time ago and the first time I saw an advert on TV that drew a direct comparison to their closest competitors I was like 'WTF???!!!' IIRC it was for Tylenol vs some other paracetamol/acetaminophen -based painkiller. In addition, it rapidly became apparent that if a test was not biased towards 'their' product, then the test must be wrong. It appears that you found that out with Optimus.
@GodmanchesterGoblin
10 ай бұрын
Came here to say similar. Bashing the competition in the US seems fair game. In the UK it's very rare, and also in the rest of Europe, from what I have seen. So perhaps it's largely a cultural difference, but certainly in the UK there is very specific guidance on competitive comparisons.
@aaronjessome1032
10 ай бұрын
When I built my loop the new EK Magnitude blocks came out and they were double the price of the Velocity blocks for a couple degrees better cooling. I went with the Velocity and am very happy with it over the past couple years
@rustler08
10 ай бұрын
Ooof, I'm sorry. I hate to say it, but EKWB is kind of mediocre. Their coating sucks, the price is high, and the performance is at or barely above that of Chinese brands. They're riding on a legacy, that's about it. I was able to buy a Core 1 CPU block and an Alphacool 4080 GPU block for $50 less than the equivalent GPU block alone from EK, and the EK performs like 3-4 degrees worse.
@cyclechris6591
10 ай бұрын
Guessing the chiller use would eliminate the water heating up a little between tests? On the other hand I think Roman just subtracts it out with difference of first run. Lets see what Steve comes up with.
@walterrankin200
6 ай бұрын
I'm running a chiller with a 7950x3d in one pc and one pc with 7900x, both with Mycros direct die, two alpha cool pumps, a 160 l/hr chiller. high temps on cine bench about 60 degrees running both at same time. overclocked as far as i know how to. cant get them to go over 62 degrees!!! I think your blocks are killer!!!
@walterrankin200
6 ай бұрын
oh yeah running starfield 200 fps it was running at 51 degrees
@kulilin3104
10 ай бұрын
Sadly, many Americans don't realize how good we have it with importing items from overseas. Between shipping/handling and customs fees/taxes, Europeans do not have it as good as we do for ordering tech.
@EinSwitzer
10 ай бұрын
Also pulse rate for pumps to peak thermal adhesion to fluids
@Cblan1224
10 ай бұрын
I have the V3 block on a direct die 7950x3d and it's such a beast. I had them send it to me in raw brass and I had it nickel plated
@infango
10 ай бұрын
have considered lapping it ?
@TheArilin
10 ай бұрын
Intel, Nvidia, Amd, Apple, Samsung and more all advertise directly comparing to a competitors' products. It's definitely less of a thing in smaller brands, but very popular overall.
@Hostilenemy
10 ай бұрын
Both methodologies are correct. Two things can be true at the same time.
@EinSwitzer
10 ай бұрын
Pump sand , pump gasses known to etch pockets , etc
@EmoEmu
4 ай бұрын
Comparatively the Alphacool Core 1 bloack is €99 to 119 depending on if you want RGB or not. That's a third of ordering one of these Optimus Signature V3.
@CheapBastard1988
10 ай бұрын
Great to see that you're contacting other independent reviewers to check your own findings. I do think it's strange that they would have tested with a chiller, as most people even when they buy an expensive block wouldn't use a chiller. Even if it was only because of the noise. It may explain why they didn't use liquid metal though.
@sirmonkey1985
10 ай бұрын
likely because they don't have the ability to regulate the ambient temp of the room they're testing in. using a chiller is a lazy cheat code for that since you can set a specific temp to test with.
@optimuswatercooling
10 ай бұрын
Hey there, Optimus here. Great points! To clarify how the testing is done, we use a temperature regulator that both heats and chills, this keeps the liquid constant at 25c +/- 0.1c. We are not chilling down to 5c. The goal of the temp regulator is to get consistent, repeatable results by taking the fluctuation of liquid temp, fan speed, radiator size and room temperature out of the equation. Without using this kind of test, the margin of error is vastly higher. Regardinng liquid metal, we tested everything with KPX paste because that is what we include and what customers can expect. So in our benchmark numbers, we compare blocks using only the same interface material, and don't mix it up with one block on LM and another on paste.
@optimuswatercooling
10 ай бұрын
Hey there, Optimus here, the temperature regulator aka chiller is kinda like a benchmarking cheat code :D We do regulate the room temperature, but only a temperature relator can accurately control the liquid temp and remove the fans and radiators from the equation, so you can truly get scientific apples-to-apples comparisons. Doing only air test chambers, while good for air coolers, isn't very accurate for waterblocks with fluctuating liquid temperatures that move faster than an AC room cooler will be able to react@@sirmonkey1985
@richardajoy79
10 ай бұрын
I like your testing method, personally I prefer real world scenarios which for me is gaming, if the cooler keeps the CPU temps down when the cooler fans are revving up (without being too loud), then im happy.
@Starfishtroopers
10 ай бұрын
for that price?
@richardajoy79
10 ай бұрын
@@Starfishtroopers , I personally wouldnt buy it, I aint an extreme purchaser, an AIO does what I need.
@riba2233
10 ай бұрын
thank you for being so transparent!
@C.M.C.B
10 ай бұрын
Thanks for tour honest approach !!
@tae_mx
10 ай бұрын
From, like... a thermodynamic point of view, how would temperature normalization work? I'm not sure that a simple subtraction of the diference in water temperature would be representative. If anything, it gives an advantage to the hotter-running component as the difference between it and the ambient temperature is higher. Other than that, great as always
@arthurmoore9488
10 ай бұрын
Same though here. It's certainly not perfect. However, there has to be some normalization or else you run the risk of environmental factors affecting the results. I think even GN tries to control their room temperature, but also normalizes to ambient. Any testing methodology is going to have flaws. It's the nature of the beast.
@tae_mx
10 ай бұрын
@@arthurmoore9488 it depends on what you're testing. For AIOs and heatsinks ambient is fine. If it's strictly the block, then I guess that the best thing is to try and control water temperature... Which might necessitate a chiller. I can see why the bigger block would be better with a chiller; if the water is set at 15C then the whole block is going to have capacity to absorb heat due to the mass. I think, more realistically, it could be tested with water at 35-40c
@PCSklejka
8 ай бұрын
That cat 🐈 is amazing 😂❤
@markissboi3583
10 ай бұрын
I also rub my cat Smudgey wudgey for luck he knocks on my door when i play a game .
@Ezz0Clan
10 ай бұрын
Really like the look of the block, think it'd be kinda amazing in all black none RGB builds. I think the "Competition is bad" mindset has kinda got them, which is unfortunate since they seemingly have excellent product at their deposit. I hope they understand that you're not here to invalidate their accomplishments, but to enhance the product both you and others manufacture create. Competition is good, and I'll definitely keep their product in mind when shopping for new PC.
@dogoku
10 ай бұрын
Give more callous to Hardware Busters. Its a shame they have so few subs on their channel, given Aris is one of best reviewers in the world (undoubtedly the best for power supplies). Yeah their video editing could use a bit of polish, but it adds to the charm 😅
@RonI-qz2tz
10 ай бұрын
Great video. Thank you for testing this, And taking the time to explain everything.
@kelownatechkid
10 ай бұрын
Great video, excellent to see an investigation like this!
@CuttingEdgeRetro
10 ай бұрын
@der8auer try rotating the Core 1 block 90 Degree and retesting. Alpha Core 1 block was very heaverly Designed with Intel's Die location in mind not AMD chiplets.
@8SPAZZ
10 ай бұрын
I immediately assumed the cat was dead
@frankd.b.9233
10 ай бұрын
Apparently no one takes continuous water flow into account, the pumps are still not good enough to do this, water can only absorb so much heat when it flows, too fast is not good and certainly not too slow, therefore these numbers need to be better regulated for stability too cool, with coolant, which does not only consist of water like a car, etc.
@MrMaxwins
7 ай бұрын
It's a pity we didn't see tests of Alphacool Core 1 + Direct die. Perhaps this would turn out to be the most optimal solution, considering the price - result
@ADF_Cable
10 ай бұрын
Thanks for the big donation on the special signed 4090 too mate, much respect!
@supernova874
10 ай бұрын
Professionalism on its best , awesome testing man 😀 Can wait to see the verification of your numbers from Steve too
@pmatil1
10 ай бұрын
I mainly watch your videos for the cat(s) who is not bothered by your video making :D Just kidding, I also like the technical content!
10 ай бұрын
It's the mounting issue. Although the die and cold plate are both super flat, the others like standoffs, mb, backplate are not the same. Check the balance level of the die, then the block see if they're almost perfectly balanced. If they do then the mounting shouldn't even need LM. This is why mycro die block performance well because the mounting is more superior compare the traditional. Smaller is better in this case.
10 ай бұрын
Btw, where in the actual world can one find the mycro direct die block really? All is out of stock. It's annoying that you guys make products and none are available.
@fusion1203
10 ай бұрын
Where is his water block comparison video?
@GRCDriver23
10 ай бұрын
On a 7800X3D w/ IHS at idle, the Signature 3 is about 6-8 degrees cooler than the Foundation block I ran previously. Is that worth the price difference to most people? No.. But I wanted to try it out and continue to support a domestic brand that produces outstanding product. I still think for 99% of people the Foundation block is plenty and better than almost any other block even taking the price into consideration. If you catch a blemish block on sale all the better as their quality standards are INSANE. Totally agree about the marketing though, they need to be seeding product to real reviewers and stop posting nonsense.
@XX-121
10 ай бұрын
swiftech makes good water cooling stuff too. wish they would get more love from the community
@BloodMage87
10 ай бұрын
It's silly to claim that any block it's better in non direct die condition, over any block in direct die condition I always approciate you opinion and review methodology Keep up the good work man I hope some day to buy your direct die block and a 7800x3d and delid it
@deadlymecury
10 ай бұрын
It's not silly if we talk about ekwb and 1700 direct die sadly. On the start it was a shitshow with some cases of thermal throttling while idling in windows. In my case it barely beat 360mm aio which was simply unacceptable. I've tried mounting-remounting countless of times, I've also tried to sand die frame because there was information that it's too thick and should be 5.4mm while mine was 5.8mm - and with that I simply killed my cpu. Probably core issue was not frame thickness but convexity of cold plate. I've fixed that with new cold plate / die frame set (and new CPU obviously), so now it throttles at 425w. But man that was a ride...
@noxious89123
10 ай бұрын
Agreed, physics dictates that that is a stupid claim.
@Wolar94
10 ай бұрын
@@deadlymecury It heavily depends on the CPU to create that difference in direct-die vs non-direct, it all depends on the CPU which is why you shouldn't make that comparison unless you specify with big letter it only works on these CPUs.
@deadlymecury
10 ай бұрын
@@Wolar94 in case of EKWB I was referring to manufacturer issues / straight-forward faulty products, but you was required to take a photo with regular thermal paste spread to prove them it is indeed faulty.
@salapolivalenta77
10 ай бұрын
Super professional tests as always!
@chrisrussellca
Ай бұрын
Imagine saying DerBauer is wrong about watering-cooling lol
@Paxmax
10 ай бұрын
Good test, very interesting! Thx Roman!
@Speak_Out_and_Remove_All_Doubt
10 ай бұрын
@der8auer-en How is your delided/IHS mono-block for AM5 coming along, I watched that video 4-5 months ago and thought it looked pretty much ready but I can't see where to buy it or how the development is coming on??? Thanks Roman.
@Simon_Denmark
10 ай бұрын
Are you talking about Mycro? It’s not a monoblock. I can see it on many retailers but it doesn’t seem to be available anywhere where I checked. Also I’m suprised that no one here talked about wire view firmare problem. I had a problem with not being able to save settings and contacted TG and they told that the wire views had a firmware bug. They couldn’t give me a date for a new one so I just got a refund.
@Tracenji
10 ай бұрын
same question here, i hope it will be ready (and still compatible) by the time zen 5 comes out
@der8auer-en
10 ай бұрын
we're making about 100 a month currently. The demand is just sooo much higher than expected :D I thought it's just niche and our initial 200pcs would last a while... well :D but we're working on ramping up the production
@DanielKennedyaeos
10 ай бұрын
I have one, it's great on my 7800X3D (admittedly not a very thermally limited chip). Will keep it if AMD brings out a good 16C Zen 5 chip.
@Speak_Out_and_Remove_All_Doubt
10 ай бұрын
@@Simon_Denmark That's exactly what I am talking about, never knew it had a name or was finished and on sale. Thanks!
@stuntvist
10 ай бұрын
Philips head screws are only good for stripping. It's not really about a quality feel as such I just can't stand philips head screws for how ass they are to actually use. Just use torx, basically everyone has torx head screwdrivers somewhere in their home by now and they just work way better. Should honestly hold the entire electronics industry hostage until they stop using philips head screws for anything at all.
@gtijason7853
10 ай бұрын
True, but Japan Standard looks just like phillips but they are used as the set screw for disc brakes (an application where stripped heads is a coin flip) and I've never had a problem with these. Obv using the correct J1, 2 or 3 driver with built in hammer break ? A screwdriver that you hit with a hammer to make it turn a tiny amount to break the bond kind of like a hammer drill
@GrizzAxxemann
10 ай бұрын
@@gtijason7853 Damn near impossible to find JIS in my neck of the woods. I've stripped out Torx, Pillips, Allen, Posi-Driv. Robertson is truly the way.
@xrror
10 ай бұрын
Their "reasoning" to not use liquid metal makes no sense. Especially if you're going for "the best" performance why would you compromise at least 5C (often more) by being too timid to use metal? Unless you're going sub-ambient, there's no situation where using thermal paste instead of liquid metal will ever give better temps - especially in direct die situations. The only edge cases would be metal compatibility, and even then that's still a compromise short of the heatsink material being something exotic like synthetic diamond or ceramic - and even then liquid metal probably would still be better than any traditional TIM in those cases.
@jwdickieson
10 ай бұрын
But remember Roman, you're doing it wrong... I don't know what that means, but apparently you're doing it wrong🤣
@leftcoastfunk
9 ай бұрын
Calling Roman's testing methods "wrong" is enough of a clue that at the very least one person at Optimus has NO clue what they're talking about. The most important part of testing isn't what test(s) you run, but rather removing or at least maintaining the consistency of as many variables as possible between runs and between products - which Roman is extremely fastidious about doing It's really unfortunate that such a good product is overshadowed by their own idiotic sales and marketing antics. Saying things like they want to keep things classy, while simultaneously calling out another specific product?! Super NOT classy. If you can't get sales by how good your own product is, you certainly won't get them by trying to claim how bad someone else's product is. What lazy marketing smh (especially since their claims aren't even true. Block-to-TIM temps being lower than direct die?! On what planet???) Anyway, I'll gladly NOT buy what is easily one of the best blocks out there and settle for just about any inferior product just to not support a company that acts this way. Also, it's super expensive. Double the price for slightly better performance isn't worth it in most cases
@Mobile_Dom
10 ай бұрын
i loev that Roman doesnt even try to move sheikh anymore, her and makita are just there, part of the set at this point
@thewarriorpainter9159
10 ай бұрын
Optimus is a strange company…. Great products but they make strange claims and double down. Their customer service is almost offensively bad but they make awesome products! Probably the best hands down.
@Christhebearable
18 күн бұрын
I wonder if this could be related to the nickle coating issue you found recently. Maybe they were testing against a block with this problem?
@t0mn8r35
10 ай бұрын
Very interesting.
@EinSwitzer
10 ай бұрын
Internal coatings of tubing water blocks even the pump was in a heatsink
@paolodb7571
10 ай бұрын
You're doing a very great job! Thanks :-)
@jimbodee4043
10 ай бұрын
Wow the import cost to Europe ouch. Lovely engineering but man that price.
@agoogleuser7899
10 ай бұрын
LOL it's a good idea, oh ya let's do it!
@anub1s15
10 ай бұрын
wouw claiming lower temperatures through the IHS then a direct die cooler.....that seems to defy the laws of physics when comparing apples to apples other then the cpu situation >.>
@noxious89123
10 ай бұрын
Agreed, it's a rediculous claim. I'm not surprised to see it was not accurate. Perhaps when they tested against the mycro, they used it with cheese as thermal paste?
@jonasduell9953
9 ай бұрын
But you tested it wrong, you need a chiller so you can get lower absolute numbers with the temp delta still being lower/worse!
@BerzerkaDurk
10 ай бұрын
omfg. imagine questioning how der8auer conducts his testing. hahaha
@xDreyer
10 ай бұрын
@der8auer how does it compare to EK's velcocity 2?
@thisisobvious
10 ай бұрын
Interesting. I like my Optimus block but you make good points. That’s a bit of a turn off for me if they are being the way you described.
@sportsfamily77
9 ай бұрын
Has anyone ever made a block that cools better mounted to an ihs when compared to direct die? That just doesn't seem possible thermodynamically.
@BleepBlop-rh9lm
10 ай бұрын
I have delidded my 7950x but don't have good temps like Roman. It's actually bad.
@Marti77e
10 ай бұрын
Still No TechN block testing even it should have the same perfomance (atleast with AM4) than optimus and its much cheaper 130€ and made in germany. And Romans testing is ok because only some overclockers maybe using chillers.
@jamestiller
10 ай бұрын
send it to Jay
@cracklingice
10 ай бұрын
That value subtracted tax sucks ehh
@shanemshort
10 ай бұрын
it's a shame, they make good stuff (I've gotten it before) and given how ridiculous EK's pricing has gotten it's strangely now good value for money...
@dazzer667
10 ай бұрын
Unless anyone else is complaining about your testing methods I'm pretty sure they are just picking hairs as it doesn't give the numbers that they want
@technolucas3720
10 ай бұрын
I love the Optimus block but their marketing is self-defeating......
@TwitchFast
10 ай бұрын
Questioning your methodology then using a chiller is comical at best, we're all daily driving chillers ofc.
@ibeebzz9804
10 ай бұрын
I’d be curious to see the techn included in this comparison as well.
@funtaril
10 ай бұрын
While I'd love to see GN comparing these blocks, it's a stretch to call them independent review source: you're friends with Steve (and have the most famous bromance in undustry), and there's an ad for Thermal Grizzly in their latest video.
@der8auer-en
10 ай бұрын
Steve is very professional and would not allow any impact on the testing by advertising. It also wouldn't make sense to do so. But that is the reason why also hwbusters will test it. Before this I never even had contact to hwbusters
@Xamy-
10 ай бұрын
I disagree Funtaril. Steve is pretty much the most principled reviewer on YT.
@keibohow69
10 ай бұрын
That looks abit like a xspc amd5 cpu block, Which you can pick up for less than €100
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