On the ship I work on, granted a smaller vehicle ferry, the captain's quarters is about the same size as every other quarter on the ship. The difference is that he gets his own permanent room to decorate as he pleases. While we cant since its used by a rotating roster. In a military context, the ships of the 2nd world war are much closer to what we see on the enterprise. With the captain having only a slightly larger cabin compared to the rest of the officers. The issues of crewmen walking in on the captain in his pyjamas and traffic delays during emergencies is lessened by (as is probably the case in star trek) the entire officer's quarters being in a separate area of the ship from the enlisted crew. The command officers are also separated from the engineering officers on real warships. So that, during an emergency, there's no cross traffic. The captain and senior officers are rushing to the bridge, the chief engineer and his staff are rushing to the engine room, and the enlisted are rushing to their action stations along separate tracks. If a captain is reliant on the opulence of his quarters to maintain his authority he's not a good captain.
@superdave8248
3 ай бұрын
On a US Navy ship I served on, the Captain's Quarter's was located directly below the bridge. And the Captain could return to the bridge is a moment's notice. The Captain's quarters was split into two basic sections. A small conference room of sorts where the captain could do his meetings with his senior staff, and a living quarters which consisted of a basically a bathroom - with shower, sink, and toilet, and enough space for a bed, nightstand, and closet. I don't even recall it having room for a desk. If the Captain needed to meet with all his officers, they would just adjourne to the Officer's Mess for the meeting. On another much smaller ship I served on the captain's quarters was also directly below the bridge but was the same size as the other officer quarters. The difference was there was no conference room. It also had one other difference. It was a small ship with a small crew so the captain's quarters also was used as the ship's arsenal. He had the gun vault in his room. The executive Officer (XO) was the default medic on the ship. So he had the medical supplies in his space. They were the only two people assigned to their own room. All other officers share a quarters with at least one other person.
@RaddSpencer
3 ай бұрын
This comment says everything I was thinking while watching this video. "We Travel by Night" seems to have confused a ship captain with royalty. Plus the TOS/movie era starships while large, weren't THAT large. If we look at internal volume, the Enterprise is comparable to a modern naval warship, and absolutely dwarfed by something like a modern aircraft carrier, and those don't exactly have luxury cabins for the captains. We also know that even the original Enterprise had a conference room, which is where Kirk would meet with his senior officers. Not his cabin. He only met people in his cabin when it was just a couple of people. The point about being close to the bridge might be valid (even here though, his quarters were close to a turbolift that would quickly get him to the bridge, I assume the issue of other crew using the turbolift wouldn't have delayed him much but I've long since forgotten the details of how turbolifts work) but everything else is just odd. I can't imagine modern British naval officers live in luxury about their ships like this video describes, which is why they had to go to Presidents, Royalty, old wooden sailing ships, and the Nautilus for their examples.
@southtexasprepper1837
3 ай бұрын
You 'hit the nail on the head.' "We Travel by Night" is just being nauseous by pointing out things that Fans of "Star Trek" really don't care about. He's treating people like that they don't even notice and truly don't care about. Watching any movie (particularly "Star Trek") is about being entertained. Not wanting a lesson on how a décor should be or how sailors live on a "ship." I really had to force myself to watch this entire video.
@Svensk7119
3 ай бұрын
"On the ship I work..." End it there. The second on is redundant.
@nonplayercharacter6478
3 ай бұрын
I think he over estimates the distance too. It's only a few feet to a turbolift, which is not an elevator, you don't have to wait for the car to come back. It's probably only 15 or 20 seconds max to the bridge from Kirk's quarters.
@ryanhampson673
3 ай бұрын
I disagree about having a plain cabin would erode authority. When I was in Iraq a General came to visit. The commanders of the base went to work to build a bunch of amenities and furniture for the generals room. The General arrived and was shown his room. He asked, did every soldier have quarters like this? And when told no, they made it for him he said no thank you and found another room that was normal. That to me brings way more respect.
@whattowatchrightnow
3 ай бұрын
Eisenhower slept in what we would call an RV while serving as General of the Army and Supreme Allied Commander European Theater of Operations.
@sdfried4877
3 ай бұрын
Exactly, an officer staying in grand accommodations doesn’t breed respect, it breeds contempt.
@AngelCatBaby
3 ай бұрын
I agree…👍❤️🙏🏼
@RichardHansbury
3 ай бұрын
I'm a veteran and most officers had two areas. An office and a private quarters. The latter were usually not much more than bed, kitchenette, and exercise equipment. Usually a boom box and portable size TV. Most of the time was spent trying to stay ahead of "swivel chair spread", not partying.
@JeffreyTappan-bb8rr
3 ай бұрын
He must have been a mustang.
@Stuff_And_Things
3 ай бұрын
What do you mean "small"? He's got a bedroom with desk, head and small kitchen, a full dining room, a full bar, several workshops for whatever tinkering he's in a mood for, a full staff compliment to cater to his whims, a computer with almost as much power as a first gen smart phone, an amazing call plan that allows him to talk to almost anyone in this quadrant of the galaxy, the medicine chest is walk-in and staffed... You call that small?
@jefferypardue7509
3 ай бұрын
You're describing the star trek strange new world's version of Pike's Captain's cabin.
@ZiddersRooFurry
3 ай бұрын
This is talking about the original series.
@Stuff_And_Things
3 ай бұрын
@@jefferypardue7509 I'm describing Kirk...Captain of the Enterprise. Every Starship captain lives in a mansion full of waitstaff, cooks, doctors, a full bar, a selection of shuttles for excursions...Need I go on? ;)
@brynking2527
Ай бұрын
agreed, that rooms just for a bed and private desk. and to keep his safe for secret orders.
@ptonpc
3 ай бұрын
Modern ships, especially warships, need to pack crew around the ship's systems. Kirk's quarters are not that unusual in size, a cabin for personal care and sleep, a cabin for work. So it does fit the ship and his personality. Federation society is more egalitarian, you don't have to 'wave your willy' in front of your crew but you do need more space to do your work.
@superdave8248
3 ай бұрын
I also got the impression that Star Fleet didn't consider itself to be a military force. Their weapons (although destructive) were intended to be defensive in nature. This is also observable in the design as the original Enterprise had several structural weak points in its design.
@SuperGamefreak18
3 ай бұрын
@@superdave8248 The TOS era star fleet leaned more towards military compared to some eras but you aren't wrong. They did see themselves as well a superior group, and well the Connie even with its design was seen by most factions as the ship of the line, klingons and romulans effectively feared that ship, even if some of them called the ship a hunk of junk. Though I dont think anyone wouldnt say that the excelsior wasnt an obvious battleship for the setting
@oldtimefarmboy617
3 ай бұрын
@@superdave8248 That is true, but the history of the Federation shows that the constitution class starship was being built during the start of the Klingon war so there is a very good chance that they were quickly modified for warships and were far more offensive in nature than the usual starfleet ships. Probably why they considered them to be heavy cruisers and not dedicated exploratory ships.
@Hammerhead137
3 ай бұрын
As a ship's captain, the further away your quarters are from the bridge, the greater the likelihood of something happening to you on your way to the bridge in an emergency or in a combat situation.
@oldtimefarmboy617
3 ай бұрын
@@Hammerhead137 "As a ship's captain, the further away your quarters are from the bridge, the greater the likelihood of something happening to you on your way to the bridge in an emergency or in a combat situation." Considering the size of the ship and the necessary interfaces between the bridge, as well as the space necessary for the captain and the command officers who worked on the bridge, it would be necessary for the command officers quarters to be 2 or 3 decks below the bridge. In a combat situation, in real life, with the technology available to fire energy weapons and target the site you want to hit, the first place you would want to damage or destroy would be the bridge. Besides keeping the command officers safe in case of a sneak attack, and giving them the option of going to the main bridge or the auxiliary bridge, it would also give them more time to be told what was happening before they got there so they could start issuing necessary commands immediately when they stepped onto the bridge. After all, the Romulans first and then the Klingons proved they had cloaking devices that could allow them to sneak up on the ship and get into an advantageous firing position before they decloaked and opened fire.
@renpytom
3 ай бұрын
One interesting thing to think about is that the people who filmed Star Trek: The Original Series were in intimate contact with the WWII generation, if not members of it. The size and layout of Kirk's cabin on TOS reminds me of captain's at-sea cabins from WWII ships - USS New Jersey has an at-sea cabin on the O4 deck with the cabin closer to the bridge, and the office a bit further away. (IIRC, some instruments have repeaters in the cabin so the captain can bring himself up to speed as he dresses.) The captain had a second cabin lower down that was used on the O-1 level that's used for entertaining, amlost the size of the one Pike uses in Strange New Worlds, though I think that's more of a coincidence.
@christheghostwriter
3 ай бұрын
Kirk's crew was also double the size of Pike's. Some fans have come up with the idea that the ship was modified between Pike and Kirk to make room for the much larger crew contingent
@Yandarval
3 ай бұрын
I was going to post along those lines. The OG 1701 and the refit are supposed to be the same length as the US carriers of the time. Forrestal and Nimitz classes. So the Captains quarter are likely a similar size to the carriers. The ships Captain will likely have a turbolift car sent to the nearest turbolift to the Captains quarters when he is down there. For his use only. We know from various tech manuals that cars are kept in parking areas throughout the ship. So one for the Captains use next to the nearest turboshaft. Its even possible that a dedicated car may follow the Captain around the ship.
@kevinmoore2929
3 ай бұрын
There's one example of the junior officers' quarters on ST:V . In a scene where Tuvok and Janeway where they were in a memory when Tuvok was serving under Sulu. Junior officers had a six man room with bunks, lockers and a communal table. This is what you'd see in most WW II movies that showed sleeping areas. The senior enlisted would have something much like this also while the junior enlisted would be almost stacked on top of each other.
@napasada
3 ай бұрын
USS Excelsior NCC 2000. Great ship!
@oldtimefarmboy617
3 ай бұрын
@@kevinmoore2929 And they did not have their own bunks. They practiced what is called hot bunking where several crew members used the same bunk throughout the day and night. Whoever was off duty and scheduled to sleep used the bunk so there might be three or four people using the same bunk each day. I would believe that personal hygiene was considered to be of paramount importance since one crew member would be rolling out of a bunk so the next crew member could use it..
@TheAttercop
3 ай бұрын
In ST 2 he was a visiting Admiral; unless he had displaced Spock in 18th-century sail style (unlikely since we saw the decor in Spock's cabin) it's very possible Kirk was in a cabin designated for visiting VIPs/Flag Officers. Immediate bridge access would therefore be less neccessary.
@zomfragger
3 ай бұрын
There is a naval tradition dating back the era of sail ships where a visiting Admiral would automatically be assigned the captains quarter's unless equivalent accommodations where available. My guess given the Enterprise being the flagship of the fleet Spock retained his original quarters and kept Kirk's open for when Kirk or another Admiral came thru.
@Phillyfan45
3 ай бұрын
In The Motion Picture, he was already an Admiral. Decker was the captain.
@kmbbmj5857
3 ай бұрын
Most likely he would have been in Flag quarters, specifically designed for Flag purposes, rather than Captain's quarters, which serve a different purpose.
@allangibson8494
3 ай бұрын
WW2 ships captains typically had two cabins - a stateroom used for receptions and official business and a day cabin next to the bridge used when the ship was underway. The stateroom was well away from the bridge and typically on the main deck.
@lavern007
3 ай бұрын
My destroyer had a Commodore state room next to the cops import cabin. The only real time it was used was when they put four female. Midshipmen for their fourth year cruise.
@draygosmith
3 ай бұрын
Now I can't help but picture Kirk rushing up to the bridge during a midnight red alert, dressed like Arthur Dent.
@kitsunisan
3 ай бұрын
As long as the frood remembered his towel, it would be alright.
@tabachivq
3 ай бұрын
I mentioned this video to my GF who said: Plus, when you're a legendary Starfleet Captain, you really don't need a flashy personal quarters or a personal holodeck to demonstrate power and prestige. The whole ship is that for you. Any room you're in is pretty much yours...!
@SuppressedOfficial
3 ай бұрын
Yeah, I like that take. "This is my room, captain!" "Yeah, but this is my ship."
@Scripture-Man
3 ай бұрын
She gets it.
@matthewbarabas3052
Ай бұрын
while that may be true, theres probably some rules and regulations that states that the captain cant just enter any room, especially quarters, without permission. its his ship, but he still has to respect the crew.
@captainjason1157
3 ай бұрын
Definitely a British take on officers. Star Trek was a U.S. show. The U.S. rejected the idea of "Authority through pretense." Officers in the U.S. cannot purchase a commission at the highest rank their fortune will allow. They have a series of accomplishments they must achieve before they are admitted to OCS. Then they have to succeed in OCS to receive their commission. That commission is at the lowest officer rank. Each subsequent promotion is earned. No need to project magnificence to achieve authority. Every crewman on the Enterprise knew that Kirk's rank and authority was earned just like the rank they wore. Earned.
@TrentonBennett
3 ай бұрын
Well said and I completely agree. US military officers in terms of rank are different compared to others on the other side of the pond. I'm not sure if anyone on the other side of the pond can buy their rank or not. Yeah even in Star Trek, Kirk was the youngest officer to get to Captain so fast. It was because he was a bit like Picard. Although Kirk took a lot more risks than Picard. Kirk took risks to get noticed. His rank was earned not "bought" or bribed his way up to Captain. I know books are NOT cannon but a lot of the books explain how Kirk rose up through the ranks so fast.
@randomobserver8168
3 ай бұрын
OK, but the purchase system was originally instituted as a way to get around pure political appointments, a reform in its time, when plainly and catastrophically outmoded it lingered basically as the pension system, and then was phased out in Victorian times and, of course, never existed in the Royal Navy, which is the more apt analogy for Star Trek. In the Royal Navy, every officer started as midshipman, the required training, experience and book learning for lieutenant was rigourous and the exam demanding, and after that one got promoted by performance.
@1ricollins
3 ай бұрын
General Ulysses S. Grant (a hero of Kirk's) famously wore the uniform of a private, with general's epaulettes stitched on. His opponents often had way more ornate uniforms. He won.
@RichardHansbury
3 ай бұрын
I don't know about these histories, I've found much of it hagiography, meaning glorified bull$hit propaganda. I do know that most all of the officers I served under were highly dedicated and educated. Discipline was for them as much as us. If we didn't fill our assignments it reflected badly on our lieutenant because the assignments didn't get completed adequately. Not because we were a bunch of grunts thoughtlessly going through the motions.
@bentonmarcum8924
3 ай бұрын
Guys British alright anyone else noticed he pronounced lieutenant leftenant.?
@timmy-the-ute2725
3 ай бұрын
I was on a Spruance class destroyer in the Navy. Captain's quarters was 2 decks from the bridge. He had a small ready room off the bridge he could retreat to also.
@indetigersscifireview4360
3 ай бұрын
I served on a Knox class frigate. The Captain's quarters were on deck below the bridge. We had our chart room just behind the bridge where, if he wanted too, the Captain could have a cot but that's about it.
@RichardHansbury
3 ай бұрын
That's the way it was in the Coast Guard. Most of the small vessels used hot-swap bunking. The C.O. and X.O. shared the cabin off watch and had a tiny room with a cot for naps. About the middle of the Eight to Midnight or Midnight to Four duty we got lunch break where half the watch got to eat and nap back to back conditions permitting. Even back in the 1970s I knew that was what Shatner was aiming for. The Captain that knows his departments and petty officers like an orchestra and a conductor, not a remote figure barking orders.
@brentoutashape9141
3 ай бұрын
I worked as a deckhand, and crew quarters were below the waterline, even for the Captain. His quarters were nice, but not much nicer than ours, and there was always the 1st or second mate in charge, so unless there was an immediate emergency, like an iceberg (which happened), we didn't bother him. The Captain had the final say, but he was still crew. Space is everything on a ship, and probably more so in outer space. Also, the opulence of Louis XIV is why Louis XVI "lost his head."
@oldtimefarmboy617
3 ай бұрын
The constitution class starship had a crew of around 400 or more people. Most of which lived in the saucer section. The warp core took up a very large part of the engineering section and along with cargo storage, workshops, shuttle bay and shuttle maintenance, there was very little room for crew quarters in the engineering section. Only the captain and several of the command crew had quarters the size of the captains cabin and junior officers had to share similar sized cabins. And the regular crew had more than six people using the same cabin and had to do what they called HOT BUNKING where they shared a bunk with multiple other crew members and only got to sleep in the bunk when it was their turn. The captain's cabin on a constitution class starship was considered to be a luxury at the time. And it was deep enough inside the ship to offer protection in case of an unexpected attack or accident and yet close enough to get to the bridge in just a minute or so. And I am certain that the competency of the captain earned them far more respect than how they dressed when off duty.
@falconwind00
3 ай бұрын
On the USS Midway, the executive quarters are huge, with a full size desk, couches, coffee table, a queen size bed with wardrobes, and a private bathroom. Imagine one of the larger and more expensive cabins on a cruise ship minus a balcony. In contrast, the CO’s cabin on a Virginia-class submarine is the size of a closet and the bunk and table flip down out of the wall.
@CaptainCaveman1170
20 күн бұрын
On the carrier I served on, CV-64 Constellation, the COs quarters were basically a hotel suite, quite luxurious in space but still spartan (nothing too "fancy"). However, one day walking through officer country the door to the Air Boss's quarters was open and there was a wooden four-poster king size bed in there. Seeing that a carrier exists FOR the air wing, it can be argued that the CO of the wing was actually more important than the Skipper himself. Now, I wouldn't argue that, but it can be argued!
@benre
3 ай бұрын
I never realized that the room in the motion picture is supposed to be kirks cabin haha...I always thought its some kind of briefing room!
@qdllc
3 ай бұрын
It was a lounge for the bridge. Making it a cabin seems contrary as it’s too exposed.
@benre
3 ай бұрын
@@qdllc I meant the smaller one with the transparent doors
@princecharon
3 ай бұрын
I didn't really think it was his quarters either, but mainly, I thought that the red area was a large couch, not a bed.
@garywells751
3 ай бұрын
Kirk says "...Mr Decker - I would like to see you in my quarters..." or similar after the wormhole incident.
@kaitlyn__L
3 ай бұрын
Same, same as all of you. Some kind of off-bridge meeting room or private cabin, even if it wasn't called a ready room.
@claudemckenzie2398
3 ай бұрын
I purposely take the equipment with the most hours on it, as a landscaper foreman. I want my guys under me to have the best equipment. That's also why Kirk took smaller quarters.
@JohnMinehan-lx9ts
3 ай бұрын
Also, Kirk was a bachelor who did not know (at that time that he had kids). He would not need a lot od space for pictures and mementoes from the family.
@thomasheyart7033
3 ай бұрын
Most larger ships in the navy, the captain has several cabins. The ship I was on, they actually had 4 different cabins. The 2as the In port, formal cabin, the At Sea cabin, and then the 2 bridge cabins, one off the main bridge and one off the auxiliary bridge. It's possible the cabin seen in TOS was his auxiliary bridge cabin
@reganpylman5491
3 ай бұрын
Having served on one of the smallest ships in the turn-of-the-century Navy (crew of 76), and one of the largest (crew of about 5,000), I can say that the Captain's cabin on a small ship (such as the TOS Enterprise is implied to be) would not be especially large. On USS Papago (ATF-160), while the skipper's cabin was larger than that of the other officers, and private instead of shared, I could still touch both walls with my arms outstretched. Aboard USS Abraham Lincoln, CVN-72, the Captain actually had two cabins. One was his sea cabin, which was directly aft of the bridge, and was a tiny little room in which he slept while the ship was at sea, so as to be easily available in case of emergency. This would be equivalent to Picard's ready room, and was actually probably smaller than the set for that space. The second was his in-port cabin, which was large and magnificent, in keeping with the diplomatic grandeur of someone who might be representing the United States of America in any port call. We don't see that sort of cabin in Star Trek, though at least Picard's quarters aboard the D were larger, a four-bay room instead of the two-bay Kirk had. Oh, as for the officer thing... Roddenberry's original vision was for the crew to be made up of officers, with no enlisted. Astronauts were all highly educated, and all of them were officers, so Roddenberry figured that this trend would carry forward into Starfleet. (As an aside, we don't have aristocracy and gentry per se in America; our officers are required to be college educated, which approached the same sort of class divide up until about the 1970s). Some people have interpreted the crewmembers who wore coveralls in TOS as being enlisted, but that wasn't actually the original intent.
@AdamErwin-uk7uj
3 ай бұрын
Former USN Officer here. This, this is the answer, both historically and Trek "in-world".
@radishdalek
3 ай бұрын
My head canon is that there was a large cabin for the captain, but Kirk rejected it in favour of the smaller as he did not want to be elevated above his crewmen. Perhaps the larger cabin was instead turned into a crew social room. Alternatively the larger cabin was deemed unsuitable as the glow from the Bussard collectors kept him awake
@TheMoneypresident
3 ай бұрын
He went to use whichever hot guest was on board.
@goaway152
3 ай бұрын
@@TheMoneypresident incel?
@entropy11
3 ай бұрын
We have Pike's cabin in SNW (with plenty of room for entertaining) which Kirk probably repurposed into a conference room or such.
@ryancox4498
3 ай бұрын
I completely agree. To "yes, and" you a bit, I like to think the entirety of B Deck is comprised of two extravagant cabins wrapping around the front and sides, with a private dining room in the back. These are technically built to be the Captain's and XO's cabins and dining room, but more so out of Naval tradition than anything else. Since that kind of lording over of the crew is pretty distasteful to Federation ideals it has become customary, almost an unwritten rule, for Captains and XOs to choose to forego those cabins in favor of senior officers staterooms in the main habitation area, where they can mingle with the crew a bit. As such, the back is repurposed as an officer's lounge (but can easily be refurnished as a dining area for important functions like we see in ST:6), and the two cabins are reserved as VIP guest quarters (which lines up nicely with the Romulan Commander being taken to Deck 2 at the end of TOS: "The Enterprise Incident").
@chandlerwhite8302
3 ай бұрын
Those cabins would probably be reserved for visiting flag officers (Admirals) or VIP diplomats.
@yewtoob2007
3 ай бұрын
Three of four sister ships disappearing mysteriously strongly suggests a fatal design flaw shared by all the ships of that class.
@fuzzwork
3 ай бұрын
especially since the only one that didn't disappear was also the only one that was extensively rebuilt
@falconwind00
3 ай бұрын
They were built as colliers for transporting coal but all three that disappeared were carrying heavier metallic ore, something they were not designed to do and poorly suited for.
@JordonBeal
3 ай бұрын
@@falconwind00This. Nothing mysterious about it.
@itzalion
3 ай бұрын
What a perfectly British analysis.
@dcb_75
3 ай бұрын
In terms of the size of the cabin, I think there is a very Trek reason - no ego. Humanity was supposed to have grown by then so Kirk doesn't need a large cabin to show off he rank and all that. It isn't the size of the room that people respect, it is who occupies it. That is Kirk's private area, he has the rest of the ship to use for anything else.
@randomobserver8168
3 ай бұрын
There is no evidence on screen that humans had changed so fundamentally in their qualities, nor any human character on Star Trek whose equivalent could not have easily been seen in the 20th century. Arguably, a failure of writers to live up to that particular Roddenberry concept.
@dcb_75
3 ай бұрын
@@randomobserver8168 maybe but TOS and TNG tried to show it. Yeah later shows didn't live up to it, especially DS9 and the Kurtzman crap but they tried to show a better humanity through the franchise where ego wasn't as big a factor. I mean Picard even said the accumulation of wealth is no longer the driving factor - wealth equals status so if you don't care about wealth, then you don't push status and need the large cabin.
@SageKasuto
3 ай бұрын
And yet, Kirk's ego is the biggest in the franchise!
@dcb_75
3 ай бұрын
@@SageKasuto only when it came to women 😂
@katherineberger6329
2 ай бұрын
@@dcb_75 Pike's quarters are something Anson Mount worked out with the producers - his justification is that he believed that Captain Pike, knowing when and how he was fated to die, wanted quarters that were a space he could invite others into - something of an intersection between his personal space and his self-perceived role as the paterfamilias of the Enterprise crew.
@PenneySounds
3 ай бұрын
It's a very outdated idea to suggest that the captain living in luxury compared to the crew would earn him their respect. In reality it would earn resentment.
@colinmontgomery1956
3 ай бұрын
@@mac11380, spot on.
@napasada
3 ай бұрын
Royal Navy back in the days of Lord Horatio Nelson. All that Imperial splendour!
@oldman9642
3 ай бұрын
Not true in a military organization, which the Federation was in reality. As a veteran, the only time when this was different, as far as I am aware, is in submarines, where space is at premium, and under combat conditions. Even then there is a difference just not as extreme. The larger/more “elegant” the higher the rank and thus more deserving of respect.
@PenneySounds
3 ай бұрын
@@oldman9642 "Starfleet is not a military organization, its purpose is exploration." -Jean-Luc Picard Like I said, that's a very outdated attitude that wouldn't exist in Starfleet.
@reserva120
3 ай бұрын
That’s so very stupid- you never served have you ??
@patrickstewart3446
3 ай бұрын
When I was in the Navy, I had to enter the Captain’s Cabin a few times to wake him up. It basically opened directly into his sleeping area (actually just a single room smaller than Kirk’s cabins). It’s really not that big of an issue. (Though his cabin was one level below the bridge).
@michaelkovacic2608
3 ай бұрын
May I ask what rank and position you occupied that gave you direct access to the CO?
@AdamErwin-uk7uj
3 ай бұрын
@@michaelkovacic2608probably Messenger of the Watch, or something similar.
@cowpercoles1194
3 ай бұрын
The captain's cabin would be on deck five to keep it away from the surface edge of the hull. By being more centered in the saucer section, it protects him from weapons fire, and being swept out into space due to a hull breach.
@r0bw00d
3 ай бұрын
A great leader doesn't need to brag. Kirk viewed himself as an equal to his crew, hence why he went on so many away missions: he showed that he was willing to place himself in the same dangers as those he ordered into them.
@dennissmith6783
3 ай бұрын
i agree Kirk didnt care about stuff like that.
@Private-GtngxNMBKvYzXyPq
3 ай бұрын
Star Fleet is a meritocracy. Kirk commanded respect without need for pretense. Speaking of merit, great video. Please keep up the great work!
@numberyellow
3 ай бұрын
The reasons are simple.. typically, space on a starship is at a premium...as in actual naval vessels. Check out the captain's cabin on an aircraft carrier, or a submarine. Kirk's quarters are the same size as other officers.. anyone not an officer would have been in shared bunk rooms....because, again, space on a starship is at a premium. It's following real-life examples. Only in Next Gen do you see really large quarters for senior officers, and smaller individual quarters for junior officers, and enlisted....because the Galaxy class was a massive ship, with space to spare.
@richardcutts196
3 ай бұрын
That's one problem I have with all the post TOS Star Trek's, except for Enterprise, the quarters are too big and so are the corridors. Also they have too many things hidden by beauty covers, you need to be able to see what's broken if you're going to fix it quickly.
@michaelmartin9022
3 ай бұрын
The TOS Enterprise is comparable to a large modern aircraft carrier, but the crew of one of those is in the thousands. Even TOS-era connies have plenty of crew space! Maybe not personal cabins, but cabins shared between two, with a seperate bunk for each.
@MrBottlecapBill
3 ай бұрын
@@michaelmartin9022 Even with a larger ship........it's still wasted space. I mean you sleep there, have a meal maybe catch up on some paperwork. The rec areas are where you spend most of your free time.
@IntergalacticDustBunny
3 ай бұрын
@@richardcutts196 I just look at the interiors of the Galaxy class as a reflection of the way the Federation was thinking at the time she was built. There were no Borg or Dominion yet, peace had been established with the Klingons decades ago, The Romulans had been quiet for decades as well. The next biggest threat was the Cardassians, who were not a technological match for the Federation, nor were the Talarians. And truces had been established with them. So the Federation probably believed that large scale conflicts were a thing of the past, because there was nobody that could realistically threaten them. Starfleet believed that a permanent golden age of exploration was upon them. So why not build ships that had the amenities of a Starbase, why not put schools, promenades, yoga studios and Barber shops in them? Why not let children live on them? This was the federation getting a little too high on it's own greatness.
@noppornwongrassamee8941
3 ай бұрын
The Enterprise D also carried families remember. I imagine the Officer's palatial quarters were standard for nuclear families. But since every officer was single, they got entire family sized quarters to themselves. Except for Crusher until Wesley moved out of course.
@edwardmeer95
3 ай бұрын
I love someone with no military experience trying to say what would be happening
@MrSheckstr
3 ай бұрын
And add onto that a healthy dose of class envy into the equation…. I can dispel their misconception by relating the Three weeks my squad had to share our barracks room with out company first SGT while on deployment in Grafenwoehr Germany…. Barracks building was a long narrow building with a single load bearing wall running down the middle of the building , gaps in the wall allowed furnaces to be installed to send heat into both rooms…. The first night there we has simple canvas cots but the from day two we dragged in metal framed bunks and mattresses (still had to sleep in our field sleeping bags , we were never issued bedding) …. By our own volition no one wanted to bunk with 1st Sgt…. And we also moved the rest of the bunks to the far end of the room, creating a meeting area between us and Top using the cots as benches …. Might as well be that geek that gets stuck riding next to teacher on a field trip….
@edwardmeer95
3 ай бұрын
@@MrSheckstr I'm sure you never heard of the Blue Deck or Blue Floor.
@christheghostwriter
3 ай бұрын
fans are retconning the much larger Captain's quarters in Strange New Worlds by noting that Pike had a crew of 200+, while Kirk had double that. So, the retcon goes that the ship was modified between Pike and Kirk to make room for so many new crewmembers
@tvdan1043
3 ай бұрын
Realizing that SNW is itself a retcon, it's worth noting that in "The Cage", Pike's quarters are as small as TOS Kirk's quarters. Owing to both the budget of the original show and the space available at Desilu.
@zombieshoot4318
3 ай бұрын
@@tvdan1043 Plus it was the same ship. So Kirk got Pike's quarters when he took command.
@thecaptain6730
3 ай бұрын
D. C. Fontana in her novel “Vulcan’s Glory” mentioned that Captain Pike could have had larger quarters, but he refused due to his humility (I'll check the exact quotation from the novel soon, but it was something to that effect), so he took quarters the same size as the rest of the officers.
@thethirdchimpanzee
2 ай бұрын
Interesting, because the Enterprise in Strange New World is actually LARGER than the TOS Enterprise.
@JamesA1102
3 ай бұрын
Tell me you don’t understand Star Trek without saying you don’t understand Star Trek.
@mahatmarandy5977
3 ай бұрын
If you’ve ever been on an actual war ship, or even a working freighter, The captains quarters are usually not particularly large. They usually fulfill a dual function as sleeping quarters and as an office. He would not be entertaining guests very often, and if and when he did, the wardroom would be a better place for that. Generally speaking a captain would have two or three rooms to himself. The other senior officers Would have one room per person, usually considerably smaller than the captains quarters. Junior officers would usually be two or four to a room using bunkbeds. Enlisted crew would sleep in room consisting of nothing but bunkbeds. There is a concept in the American military called RHIP, “Rank Has It’s Privileges,” But these privileges are seldom carried to the point of ostentatiousness. That would be seen as an abuse of power, and well, most people would agree that the captain of a ship does need more privacy and space than a barnacle scraper third class, and also agree that the captain does not need excessive space. As an example of this, in the 2004 Christmas Indian ocean earthquake, the US dispatched several aircraft carriers to aid in rescue and supply efforts. The Nimitz class aircraft carriers we sent were the largest warships in the world at that time and yet Former Presidents, George Bush,Bush the first and Bill Clinton had to share a cabin. And two of the officers had to give up that cabin and bunk with the crew to make room for them. There are no VIP quarters on a war ship. So despite how huge an aircraft carrier is, and how massive its crew is, there’s still was not enough space to give two former presidents their own private rooms. When the original Star Trek was on the air, it was only 20 years after the end of World War II, and it was during the Vietnam War. There were literally millions of Americans, who knew how warships worked and exactly what privileges rank brought. So giving a huge cabin would have simply been unbelievable to most of the audience. Of course there’s budgetary concerns as well as you pointed out, but they were trying to get across the concept of a military vessel in space and needed to remain fairly grounded in order to get that idea across to the audience. Hence the small cabin, which by the way appears to be probably double the size of a standard non-officer cabin. Never see one of those so it’s not sure, but the design implies that it’s two rooms with a wall cut out between them.
@Dracounguis
3 ай бұрын
The music in this video is way too loud when compared to the dialogue.
@AtomicAgePictures
3 ай бұрын
In tos Kirk's cabin IS among the largest cabins available to crew on the ship. In most cases lower ranked officers would be sharing a cabin of that size with one or two additional officers. How Lieutenant Uhura ended up with a cabin that size to herself is something of a question. However typically only upper ranked officers would have that cabin to themselves. Enlisted crew would likely be in something more like a bunk room that had 5 or 10 people all in one space.
@douglasnieblas74
3 ай бұрын
In the original pilot The Cage. Captain Pike’s quarters were obviously located on the A/B deck blister atop the saucer. You can tell by the shape of the wall and window by his bunk. That would place him very close to the bridge. By the time of the original series Kirk’s quarters were windowless and claustrophobic by comparison.
@kenwynn3871
3 ай бұрын
The show that seems to equalise officer's cabins is DS9, which is ironic considering the people who built the station, but you could argue there's a huge surplus of officer grade cabins so they had a wide choice. Voyager mostly does very well showing a more equitable cabin design. Kirk era stuff comes down to budget mostly. Aside from the ready room its TNG that does the worst in this respect, the D is enormous everyone should get a window and a huge suite yet we see senior officers and department heads like Worf and Geordi (chief engineer!) with tiny one or two room inside cabins which is nonesense. The most realistic and logical in universe design would be a standard cabin module then additional rooms tacked on to it depending on your rank and position (like an office, dining, briefing room, etc.)
@CaptainSeato
3 ай бұрын
Kirk's cabin was where he slept (or slept around in, as the case may be). ...but the bridge is where he LIVED.
@thetruth45678
3 ай бұрын
Kirk: "Small? I prefer... intimate."
@lancebaylis3169
3 ай бұрын
In Star Trek The Animated Series, a second door was added to what is visually still the bridge from TOS. While the creator said they intended this to be an extra turbolift (something incorporated into the Motion Picture refit), I'd long theorized this door instead goes to a small airlock off the bridge with access to bathroom facilities and perhaps an office/mini-quarters for Kirk. Indeed, Kirk is the only person we ever see enter the bridge through this door in the cartoon. The designers of Discovery and Strange New Worlds also retroactively added an office/ready room for Captain Pike off to the side of the original Enterprise bridge, which is logical. It should have been there all along. Speaking of Pike, some have suggested his radically different Captain's Quarters in the original The Cage pilot episode were some kind of secondary Quarters located on a deck closer to the bridge, but in practice we still see him going to them via the Turbolift, so whether it's one deck down from the bridge or 5 decks down it doesn't really solve the problem of him being away from the command centre in an emergency.
@MatthewCaunsfield
3 ай бұрын
Some excellent points raised and the revised TMP was clearly meant to be! As for TOS, given how readily shirtless Kirk strode through the corridor in purple slippers (in The Corbomite Manoeuvre) I always assumed he'd be happy with an "equal room" policy.
@mr.k4918
3 ай бұрын
no no see everyone else had a bunk bed. remember how crowded the ship was. people probly slept in shifts. so you never saw your 'roomate' the captain didnt share.
@MatthewCaunsfield
3 ай бұрын
@@mr.k4918 It would have been great if we'd seen some bunks in TOS
@robertelder164
3 ай бұрын
@@mr.k4918 No, everyone had a cabin, in some places double There are blueprints
@tarascholfield5887
3 ай бұрын
@@MatthewCaunsfield in star trek 6 we see the bunks on the enterprise when she gets hit from Kronos 1 and i think some of the bunks on Sulu's Excelsior. And on enterprise when looking for the magnetic boots they show the bunk beds. i always thought it was sad we didn't get to see the bunks in tos too but $; maybe in the animated series; check there.
@MatthewCaunsfield
3 ай бұрын
@@robertelder164 According to Franz Joseph's deck plans that is correct. However, those are not canon to the show and feature some very odd design choices in places!
@robdyck1187
3 ай бұрын
Two reasons: 1) The Original Series had a set with only one crew quarters. It was dressed up to be the captain's quarters, or dressed to be Spock's quarters, or dressed to be Uhura's quarters, etc. 2) But there was a difference. If you look at floor plans by Franz Joseph, captain's quarters included a bedroom, office with desk, private bathroom, and a meeting room with table and 3 chairs. 3 more chairs were shown in corners, but could be moved to the table. First officer (Spock) had bedroom, office, private bathroom, but no meeting room. Chief engineer (Scotty) and chief medical officer (McCoy) had bedroom, office, but shared a single bathroom. Junior officers had a bedroom of the same size but with 2 beds, one office between two bedrooms, and one shared bathroom between two bedrooms. So visual a circle on deck 4 alternating: bedroom, bathroom, bedroom, office, repeat. This meant 4 junior officers shared one office, and 4 junior officers shared one bathroom. Crew on deck 6 were different again. One shared bathroom in the centre, one bedroom with 2 beds on either side, and one "office" on either side of that but the "office" just had a table and chairs instead of a desk with a personal computer. I find this odd because that meant one office for 2 crew, while junior officers shared one office for 4.
@Shipwright1918
3 ай бұрын
One big issue with a great cabin is they tend to get shot to pieces with alarming regularity if the enemy can possibly help it, as it's a weakness in the structure of the ship and a perfect place to land devastating raking shots through the length and breadth of the ship. Same issue here, even with shields/blast doors all it would take is one lucky shot angled upwards to blow the bridge clean off the top of the saucer section. One thing this essay fails to take into account is the character of the captains of the Nautilus and the Enterprise with respect to their design. Captain Nemo, or more properly Prince Dakkar, built the Nautilus as essentially his private yacht with a side of vengeance machine so it's little wonder so much of it was devoted to his use and his lordly ways. The Enterprise was not Jim Kirk's yacht. She was the property of the UFP and Kirk was assigned to her much like a present day naval officer is assigned to a warship. Furthermore Jim Kirk did not lead by asserting his authority like a lord or being showy with his digs. He led through charisma and charm, and being one sneaky and clever S.O.B. when all that failed him. Even Pike in his latest iteration with decidedly luxurious quarters, still invited his crew in for waffles during morning briefings as he loved to cook and was good at it. Jammies hell, if your skipper is making you waffles to die for, he's gone a pretty long way to gaining some respect instead of losing any.
@rwill156
3 ай бұрын
The taking shots bit reminds me of how someone was saying as a military vessel they would not have the sliding doors. As they take up too much space and add weight and such, and thus would only have something like curtains over doorways. I thought that would be a good way to have a single hull breach decompress a large section of the ship and loose a good part of the crew.
@Shipwright1918
3 ай бұрын
Any door is better than curtains, provided it's airtight. If I recall there was a Voyager episode where transverse bulkheads based on maritime use were reintroduced to limit the effects of a hull breach to small compartments, but as the timeline was reset these changes weren't kept. Forcefields can run out of power, but you bang an airtight door shut it's going to stay shut regardless if you have any power, can even be operated manually in an emergency.
@tyranusfan
3 ай бұрын
I'd argue that the turbolifts on the Enterprise are a great deal faster than walking/climbing ladders like on a naval vessel. Plus, we saw several times that more than one lift car use the same tubes. There are several episodes where a lift would arrive, depositing the captain and several crew on the bridge, followed seconds later by a second car which deposited other main characters.
@qdllc
3 ай бұрын
Also consider that lower decks are more shielded. Sick bay is basically in the middle deck of the saucer section.
@prion42
3 ай бұрын
Starfleet is an organization of professionals. The crew obeys Kirk because he is the captain, not because of the size of his room.
@krislangley6226
3 ай бұрын
I'm reminded of the lyrics to the show Mystery Science Theater 3000... "If you're wondering where Kirk works and sleeps and other science facts, you should remember it's just a show - you should really just relax..."
@brianstiles1701
3 ай бұрын
One theory making the rounds in light of Pike's Enterprise quarters being much more comfortable, is that Jim is just kind of Spartan in his Starfleet captaincy, and has elected to occupy normal officer's quarters.
@prion42
3 ай бұрын
Also worth noting they run with a much smaller crew, so they have the space.
@timonsolus
3 ай бұрын
Something you forgot to consider - the Enterprise (and the Constitution class in general) often had the mission of transporting dignitaries from one place to another. Ambassadors, planetary leaders, princesses, admirals, etc. Therefore, any large, well appointed, comfortable "Great Cabin" aboard the Constitution class would very likely be reserved for their use, rather than for the captain's use. The captain would not want to be bothered with having to move out of the "Great Cabin" at short notice to allow a visiting dignitary to use it instead. Better to just leave it vacant so that it's readily available at any time, and have a permanent smaller cabin that will always be the captain's only.
@Unknown13x
2 ай бұрын
There was a Captain’s quarters near the bridge, in the OST. But Kirk moved them to the crew’s deck, so he could have better access to all the women and vice versa.
@williampeek7943
3 ай бұрын
You're ignoring the message Roddenberry was trying to convey that there was equality for everyone in the future.
@MarcPiery
3 ай бұрын
It’s an old Utopian Socialist view of complete egalitarianism shared by many Victorian Age futurists (Verne, Wells, etc.). Though it actually has absolutely nothing to do with Marxism or any of the modern era Communist or Socialist ideologies. It was actually based on the ultimate evolution of Free Market Economics, where everything is in infinite supply, causing everything to have zero value. Currency would lose its value and meaning. Everyone would be housed, fed, and clothed, as everything would be affordable by everyone. Utopian Socialism also has the assumption of the total erasure of Feudalistic thinking. People would be satisfied with enough to live a comfortable lifestyle without the need to take anything away from anyone else. Of course, it’s nearly impossible, as greed, sociopathy, and mental illness can never be completely eliminated. But it WAS an idea during Victorian times. Eugenics was considered. Keeping the mentally ill and habitual criminals from procreating was openly debated, and even experimented with. It was similar to how farmers and ranchers engage in selective breeding to eliminate unwanted traits. Anyway. The idea was that if everyone had equal opportunity and equal access to necessary resources, then the impulse for crime and the drive for political power would just go away without much effort. An easy idea to follow if you are a typical middle class or working class person who is not interested in opulence or power. It’s easy to see the appeal of such an idea. But. The power hungry and materialists are still with us and working to create chaos and misery, and headaches for the rest of the population.
@KenoshiAkai
3 ай бұрын
He mentions that around 11:00
@ultrasometimes8908
3 ай бұрын
Half of the planet isnt capable of understanding equality equity and inclusion
@seannemo8076
3 ай бұрын
@@KenoshiAkai And then completely ignores it in the following pontification on the need for Projecting Authority through Opulence.
@87Kyrosan
3 ай бұрын
@@seannemo8076 Yes, but that is kind of the point. The fact that they have ranks aboard the enterprise shows that eveyone is not equal. And as long as there is a hierarchy with a captain on top, than that captains needs authority.
@David_B_Dornburg
3 ай бұрын
It's entirely possible that Captain Kirk specifically chose to have a smaller cabin to show that he didn't think of himself as being better than his crew. He could have had one of the Jr Officer's quarters on deck 4 converted if he so choose. Also, during an emergency, the computer system of the Enterprise most likely knew exactly where the Captain was onboard and directed the turbolifts specifically to his location for quick transport to the bridge. Even though it wasn't shown till TMP, it's very obvious that the ships computer was capable of performing that function.
@TK199999
3 ай бұрын
It has been stated many times in Trek that the Constitution class had such limited space available for its crew. Because of the necessity of supply/equipping a ship for 5 year missions away from friendly ports in uncharted and possibly hostile space. So an in universe answer could be that both the Constitution and later Excelsior class (which was basically a next gen Connie) for space saving and morale reasons (have the captain live as his crew to show he would endure any hardship they did) the Captain's quarters were small and out of the way (as being on deck 5). As for such direct access of the captain's bedding to the door, it could be argued he would be unconscious when a sleep and the least alert to trouble. So having quick access to the exit or for juniors to sleeping captain case of possible emergency was seen as preferable. By TNG we see this is no longer the case, at least for ready rooms. But of all the Starfleet captains only Picard gave off that 18/19 century Officer and Gentlemen air about him (though he never seemed arrogant or distant from his crew). Though on SNW Pikes cabin is giant, but its already been shown that DISC/SNW Trek is new timeline.
@Owen-mt4si
3 ай бұрын
The great cabin you propose sounds right, in case of ships like Victory most of the large glass windows area would be like the TNG conference room / officers mess. The side wings on classic tall ships are fancy outhouses and off to sides are actual bunking cabins which are not a shared space if your captain, and shared if your lower ranking.
@GartheKnightReturns
3 ай бұрын
I always thought that area below the back of the Enterprise bridge was rear observation lounge as seen TMP. But by the time of the Enterprise-A it had be reworked into the (I know it was a redress of TNG's Officer's Conference/briefing room.) Officer's mess hall as seen in The Undiscovered Country dinner scene. Never thought of it as Kirk's quarters.
@kerryblanchard9425
3 ай бұрын
That mess hall's not at the rear of the bridge, as seen when it gets blown the hell out by Chang's final torpedo strike.
@GartheKnightReturns
3 ай бұрын
@@kerryblanchard9425 Not to argue with you, but that scene never made sense. Because the dinner scene it’s shown that there’s stars outside through the windows, yet when the Enterprise takes the torpedo hit on the saucer section it’s an inner area where no windows would be. It’s a minor nitpick. Which is why I always assumed the officers’ mess was on the back of the lower bridge area where those curved windows would be.
@SchardtCinematic
3 ай бұрын
The mess hall in Star Trek 6 was a redress of 10 Forward on the Enterprise-D
@isidroramos1073
3 ай бұрын
I read somewhere, I wish I remembered where, that actually the captain in a big ship (battleships, battlecruisers and aircraft carriers) had THREE cabins: the 'emergency' one (small, just a bed and a head next to the bridge), the 'ordinary' one (which wasn't specially big but usually he was the only man aboard with a private cabin all for himself), and the... shall we say 'magnificent' one, meant to be used when receiving important guests and giving feasts in a semi-diplomatic role (and with that came a private pantry, a separate kitchen, etc).
@matthewbarabas3052
Ай бұрын
so, essentially, the ready room, the usual captains quarters, and the captains VIP room.
@isidroramos1073
Ай бұрын
@@matthewbarabas3052 Yes
@davidlockwood9192
23 күн бұрын
As a Captain on a modern merchant vessel, (oil tanker) my cabin is directly below the bridge, the stairwell directly opposite my cabin entrance so I have easy access to the bridge. The cabin opens into my day room, which has an office desk as well as a sofa and couple of comfy chairs and a coffee table. Leading off from behind the desk is my sleeping cabin and also bathroom. Not dissimilar to Kirks cabin, accept for the entrance and the decor is less 1970’s 😂. My chief engineer has a mirror image cabin on the other side of the deck and in between our cabins is a ships office where we deal with the 101 admin duties that need dealing with!
@calvinmasters6159
3 ай бұрын
In original series, the space vessel was more akin to a submarine, a space-faring pressure vessel, frugal with its allocation of habitable volume. Only later, with Next Generation, could they adopt cruise ship extravagances, like 10 foot ceilings, potted ferns and holo-decks.
@luiszuluaga6575
3 ай бұрын
I thoroughly enjoyed the presentation. 😃🛸
@KillerBebe
3 ай бұрын
A pretty good breakdown of the reasons, but a few that were not explored. 1) Space was at a premium, the ship was a science vessel and had a large amount labs and work areas. 2) Kirk’s and the command crews cabins were far larger than the rest of the crew. They also had for lower ranks, two room cabins all the way down to a single room that slept six men. 3) Kirk’s cabin was on deck 5 more for production, a breach on the bridge could have exposed his cabin to space or trapped him inside.
@bentonmarcum8924
3 ай бұрын
Did this guy actually watch STOS.? Kirk's cabin doesn't look like he depicted. From the POV inside the cabin the bed is to the left of the door in a recessed area partially isolated by a waist high retaining wall. In front of that the captains desk and a large living room area.
@VanRijn-fd7wn
Ай бұрын
It never occurred to me that his cabin was small. I’m not in the military but my impression is that his cabin is pretty large by comparison to typical officer cabins in modern military ships. The Enterprise D reminds me of a massive luxury liner by comparison. Also, how much time is the captain going to be in his cabin when he isn’t sleeping? What’s the point of a large room? I can see an argument about distance to the bridge, although turbolifts are supposed to be fast, using gravity control so you don’t feel acceleration. The “great cabin” argument makes no sense to me, and on privacy, he can lock the doors when he wants.
@nathanhale7444
3 ай бұрын
I loved captain Johnathan Archer's quarters in Star Trek Enterprise. It was cramped and you had to duck every time you moved to avoid hitting support structures.
@phil20_20
2 ай бұрын
He has a second room behind the divider. Most crew probably would have that. It's a space craft. That explains the sparsness better than anything.
@lukelee7967
3 ай бұрын
There was no bathroom in Kirk's cabin. We all know that on starships they use the transporter to beam it out into space. We want to think Miles O'Brien was always bored. But he was very busy.
@zombieshoot4318
3 ай бұрын
They called him Chief to his face but behind his back they called him Poopsy and giggled about it. :D
@lukelee7967
3 ай бұрын
@@zombieshoot4318 Nah, they were super respectful to him for it. He gets their poop out of them.
@QalOrt
3 ай бұрын
Wonderful video! I thought about how on the SSV-2 Normandy from Mass Effect, Commander Shepard's cabin has a whole deck devoted to it and it is massive and the projection of power and magnificence.
@dibdias1
3 ай бұрын
Suggestion: choose other music, the music that you use is too ghostly and was good to help me to sleep, but not to watch the episode...
@kaitlyn__L
3 ай бұрын
Just finished; I love how this is basically a covert argument for why Pike's quarters in SNW make so much more sense. Though it seems all the officers have quarters around the rim of the saucer in there, his are at the very very front. They're also twice as large as others - indeed as you say having the proper dining room and office space that the others are lacking. It's not quite as close to the bridge as the officers' lounge location you suggested, but it certainly fits all these other aspects. Especially since the door opens-up into his kitchen/dining area, while the bedroom is in a more private alcove in the corner.
@SeventhSwell
3 ай бұрын
Thanks for another interesting video. Honestly, I always liked that Kirk didn't have a much bigger cabin than the rest of the crew. Felt like we'd progressed a bit as a species, and no longer mistreated some people with cramped quarters and wasted space to for egos. I mean, I felt like his cabins should have been a bit bigger, but not huge. Picard's cabin was a good example. It's not exactly opulent, but it is a bit bigger than others'. I hate Pike's quarters in Strange New Worlds. Feels like such a step back. Feels like he has a quarter of a deck all to himself. He even has a fire going? I mean, it's just a gross waste of space and resources. I can't imagine a Starfleet captain being ok with having quarters like that if other members of his crew are, like, sleeping closets. As much as I love Lower Decks, I have the same feelings about the bunk hallway. I can't imagine Starfleet treating even it's lowest rank members like that. I can see multiple bunks in a cabin, but not in a hallway with zero privacy. And yeah, I know things can be like that in our current military but Star Trek is supposed to be better than us.
@danielroesner2342
3 ай бұрын
Music too loud,voice too silent,hard to understand
@katherineberger6329
2 ай бұрын
Star Trek: The Next Generation had a four-segmented quarters set that could be subdivided to communicate the importance of the character. Picard and Riker got the full four segments, with Picard additionally getting the Ready Room. Crusher got four but shared it with Wesley, so it seemed smaller because it was shared between an officer and her son. Data got three, as did visiting guests like Scotty. Troi, Worf, and Geordi got two. Other characters (recurring characters and bit parts) got a single segment.
@SweetZombiJesus
3 ай бұрын
Is it just me or is the quality of the recorded audio very muffled?
@DanBen07
3 ай бұрын
Scotty mentioned the size of quarters in TNG Relics. "KANE: This is the food replicator, and your computer terminal. SCOTT: Good Lord, man, where have you put me? KANE: These are standard guest quarters, sir. I can try and find something bigger if you want. SCOTT: Bigger? In my day, even an Admiral wouldn't have had such quarters on a starship. You know, I remember a time we had to transport the Dohlman of Elaas. You never heard anyone whine and complain so much about quarters as she did."
@prion42
3 ай бұрын
That was Uhura's cabin if I'm not mistaken 😄 they didn't even have VIP rooms
@Starshipsforever
3 ай бұрын
@@prion42 They did. It was done for the more than a hundred delegates and their staff that were transported by the Enterprise to Babel. Given the budget restrictions of season 3, they just used that as the excuse since they could outfit it with the props they had on hand from the last use of the cabin for her in "The Tholian Web".
@JFDSmit-rm6tw
3 ай бұрын
I (army) deployed on a few ships with the navy. The only difference between the Captain's quarters was that it was on the same level as the Bridge and, along with the XO's quarters, had a mini-lounge for non-official meetings with command crew members. And he had his own link to the intercom.
@jefferypardue7509
3 ай бұрын
You forget to mention anything about the original Captain's cabin from the original star trek pilot that had Jeffrey Hunter. His was a large round room and I believe it was on deck 1. Of course other ship sets were extra large too like the conference room. Maybe Kirk didn't like pike's enterprise cabin or wasn't available because Pike left some stuff behind after he was put into the wheelchair. I remember that Pike and his doctor talked in the room and drank.
@jimpemberton
3 ай бұрын
One thought as to why the skipper would have his rack near the entrance to his quarters is precisely so that he could be waken quickly without someone walking through his cabin to get to him. Naval vessels are immensely practical. Privacy is a low priority, though officers' quarters are typically separated from enlisted. I don't know about the practice on Naval vessels in general. One thing I know is that on submarines the crew often shares racks. The crew might not wear jim jams to bed if they have to share it with crewmates in shifts. In the Marines, if we were deployed, we might wash and put on fresh cammies, but we typically slept in what we were wearing the next day. If you woke to an emergency, you didn't want to have to take time to take your jim jams off and put your cammies on. In tanks, we most often slept on the tanks out in the open. During Desert Storm, even though we had racks to sleep in, we slept fully clothed with our gas masks at our head snuggled up to our firearms. Only our boots were off. If a scud was incoming, we had 90 seconds to get into the bunker: Gas mask on, feet in boots (don't bother tying them), out of the barracks with rifle, and into the bunker.
@oldatarigamer
3 ай бұрын
Especially since in SNW Pike has the ultimate bachelor pad that easily three time bigger.
@aldunlop4622
3 ай бұрын
SNW gets Star Trek wrong on most levels, including the size of the ship.
@TonyGarrett-p1c
3 ай бұрын
With respect to the reference to the Captain's quarters not being near the bridge, I find it astonishing that the bridge itself is up there at the peak of that upper saucer. For such an vital organ, it sure seems to be in a vulnerable position.
@the-scamp
3 ай бұрын
Really enjoyed this video, great work
@dataportdoll
3 ай бұрын
There's something about captain's cabins on wooden ships not really addressed: They weren't exclusively used by the Captain, but they enforced the autocratic nature of the ship that everyone who dined or relaxed in the captain's rooms was doing so at the pleasure of the captain. Such a thing would have definitely been against Gene's vision, so it's probably a function where budget and philosophy just happened to line up. I would truly believe Picard's ready room only exists as a concession to the way TV was shot in the 80s and multiple stage exits had become the preferred method of storytelling since the 60s, but it's hard to know what Gene really thought about stuff like that cuz he was constantly changing his mind about details like that.
@noppornwongrassamee8941
3 ай бұрын
Picard's ready room was basically a glorified office where he could do paperwork without having random crewmen accidentally looking over his shoulder at possibly classified information. That last reason alone is justification enough to give him a private office. Now if the narrator had his way, Picard's sleeping quarters would also adjoin the Ready Room, but it doesn't. Not enough room left in the bridge bump I guess for the palatial quarters that the regular crew gets. Although I'll bet Picard's quarters is a standard room meant for entire nuclear families. But perks of rank and all that. Data despite being 2nd officer gets noticeably smaller quarters than the rest of the officers. A quirk of him being an android who doesn't need much space I would guess.
@roachymart2318
3 ай бұрын
@@noppornwongrassamee8941 I'd think part that and part Data wanted quarters where they could set up direct computer access for his terminals in his quarters and that room had some sort of primary computer access conduit or main ODN access that could be tapped for higher bandwidth for his consoles. I dunno.
@themocaw
3 ай бұрын
@@noppornwongrassamee8941 Picard's rooms were somewhat larger than the other officers' rooms we've seen: IIRC, they had one set for all rooms (aside from Data's, which I think was a redress of a portion of Engineering), but they'd move the walls around to make Picard's rooms look bigger and everyone else's room look smaller. My headcanon regarding Picard's Ready Room is that the couch unfolds into a bunk if necessary.
@noppornwongrassamee8941
3 ай бұрын
@@roachymart2318 If so, I don't think it's ever said in the show proper.
@roachymart2318
3 ай бұрын
@@noppornwongrassamee8941 Knowing Paramount, they probably cut it. It was just a guess or a theory seeing how different Data's quarters are from everyone else's
@supremegodemperorpalpatine4872
3 ай бұрын
A possible design solution for getting Kirk to the bridge in emergencies: 1) A ready room adjacent to the bridge. 2) A private express lift that goes from the captain's cabin to the ready room and vice versa. At least, that's what I'd do if I were designing the ship.
@Brandis13
2 ай бұрын
When he talked about Executive mansions, I thought about how this works in Switzerland, the federal palace, which is a pretty lavish building is the seat of parliament, while the 7 members of the federal council who head different departments have pretty bland offices in nearby nondescript office buildings.
@dennisfariello4852
3 ай бұрын
I served on four Navy ships. The Captain's quarters were neither huge not opulent on any of them. His stateroom, sleeping quarters, was about the same size as other officers; as a matter of fact smaller than some officers, as they had their offices in their staterooms, and he had a separate office. The Captain's cabin contained his desk, a sitting area, and a cabinet with entertainment stuff, like a stereo and TV. That's it. No huge opulent cabins aboard warships. Bigger ships had bigger captain's cabins simply because they were bigger. They also had at-sea cabins, right off the pilot house (or bridge on newer ships with enclosed bridges), that were big enough for a bunk and a small head. That's it. They were smaller than any other officer's staterooms, because they were only for the captain to sleep in whilst at sea.
@x4700
3 ай бұрын
Why is the background music louder than the narration?
@AngelCatBaby
3 ай бұрын
Captain Kirk didn’t need a fancy cabin to command authority, he already had that and much more….his ability to command was legendary. Past feats of courage, determination, and fortitude speaks volumes under his leadership and to those he commanded. Also, by having larger quarters this would have caused resentment among those under him, plus including the fact, it takes up extra space and limits other crewmen in coming aboard….so the cabin he had was well fitted to his needs and for the Enterprise’s capacity with crewmen, and NOT towards his rank. It’s the camaraderie of the crew which gave the TOS its best performances among Captain Kirk and crew members, but NEVER diminished this captain’s authority. Instead it strengthened it. Even though Captain Kirk became an admiral, he was always the Captain….this is the role and command which suited him best with his abilities….a Starship Captain. 🖖 Rank doesn’t always mean authority. It is something earned going up through the ranks, but not always in command situations. I have seen green officers pull rank just to show off their authority, but this isn’t always what is needed. One officer I remembered was pulling rank all the time, but NOT as someone who was being in command, only someone who enjoyed doing it and showing off their authority at the expense of others under their command. It was only a foolish ego trip, getting in the way of better judgments, and diminishing the authority to correctly command any given situation. Disrespect grows towards these officers. 😥 Picard’s Ready-room is by far the better choice for an emergency response to a given situation and bridge scenario. 😊
@DonaldWheelis-xb1lu
2 ай бұрын
A person who served in the Navy. To be truthful I never worried about the captain cabin. I went to wide lengths to avoid that area at all cost.🎉
@jamesnabors3643
2 ай бұрын
In Nimitz Class US Aircraft Carriers, there is a small duty cabin for the captain just aft of the bridge. There is a much larger captain's cabin beneath the flight deck that is used when in port and for meeting with VIP's. It includes an office space.
@nicholasklangos9704
3 ай бұрын
Great points and what I always thought too! Kirks quarters were ridiculous!
@nedruss7040
3 ай бұрын
I've toured some WW2 era naval ships, including at least two battleships (Missouri & Alabama). In every instance, the captain's quarters were small, mostly a bunk, desk, & cabinets. Usually, the captain didn't even sleep in his quarters. He slept in a bunk in a room next to the bridge when at sea. Of course, this might have only been because of necessity during a war, but none of the quarters I saw were anywhere near the size, comfort, nor opulence of Star Trek.
@GBRyker61
3 ай бұрын
The only thing wrong with having the captain's quarters one deck below the bridge is in the event of a surprise attack with the enemy vessel taking out the main bridge. If the main bridge goes, so does the captain's quarters. Having the captain's quarters as deep inside the ship as it is offers protection and if the captain's in his quarters during such an attack, he can use the ship's auxiliary bridge.
@speeta
3 ай бұрын
In case it hasn't yet been mentioned, The 1978 Kirk's quarters set was dressed up to be a bit more homey for The Wrath Of Khan, and redressed to be Data's quarters for the duration of TNG series.
@YdnarLah37
3 ай бұрын
Another great video on a very important topic. just as important as Star Trek's lack of enlisted crew.
@danielwinslow6808
3 ай бұрын
The whole premise of Star Trek was equality. Power is contained within the person, not in show. The austere, humble man commanded power through hope, strength and the ability to commit to ship, crew and mission. Captain Kirk is the epitome of power through benevolence. He needs no opulence to prove that.
@liontone
19 күн бұрын
Navel vessels usually have a large state room that commanders use for PR and diplomacy. More often than not, they sleep in small, normal quarters located near the bridge. Picard’s Ent -D had a ready room, but it was an office. He didn’t sleep there. Kirk’s Enterprise had a briefing room, that was located a deck or so, below the bridge. Having luxurious quarters erodes respect. Having a captain that lives in normal quarters garners respect. Basically the inverse of the video.
@Allegheny500
3 ай бұрын
It should be noted that on the original ship only decks 4, 5, 6, and 7 had crew quarters on them, deck 6 had most of the full saucer width, while deck 7 only had them around the outer edge as the inner areas had equipment, transporters, computer core and the medical bay, also a part of those two decks was taken up by main engineering, two fusion reactors and the impulse drives at the back. This does not leave a lot of berthing room for 430 crew and 20 some officers. Kirk's quarters were spacious.
@AudieHolland
3 ай бұрын
As a non-ST fan (oops), I see the main disadvantage of Kirk's sleeping quarters being directly accessible via the corridor: 1) as a security concern - what if there's an infiltrator onboard trying to assassinate him? Or even, a mutiny? 2) any commander needs all the precious hours of undisturbed sleep he or she can get - Surprise! Oops, I didn't mean to intrude... Wrong door! So, at the very least, his sleeping quarters should be seperated from the rest of the ship by his office/guard room. On the other hand, no need for an impressive quarters of significantly larger size and opulence. Any Captain will be on the bridge for most of the time so wasting space on a large and opulent quarters is a clear nono.
@Belzediel
3 ай бұрын
Well, one of the things to bear in mind for TMP is that Kirk joins the ship at the last second. It's entirely possible that he'd just take whatever cabin happened to be spare rather than go through the process of moving Decker's stuff out. Personally I rather like the idea that we never see the actual entry door, and Decker's dramatic departure is actually into the cabin's toilet, which is why Kirk is looking so cross. Given that transporters must be able to work out what is and is not desired during transport, so they don't, for example, beam up a bunch of the ground you were standing on, one wonders if this could have some effect on the Toilets of Trek. Maybe you could even do without, have your waste material beamed out while you just stand there looking peculiar. Maybe this is why we only ever see one toilet in all of Trek and that's in the brig. However, also, bear in mind that this is Captain Kirk - if you're going into Kirk's crib, chances are you're there for the bed, so that's the first thing we get to. It says something about the man. Bridge for work, cabin for shaggin. "Huh, you have your bed right by the door?" "Saves time." "Right, sir, I..." "That Deltan that came on board...." "Ilia?" "That's the one. I like the cut of her jib." "Admiral, Ilia and I were once..." "Once, yes, I know, that was then, I'm concerned about now." "Admiral..." "Don't fight me on this, Decker." "Admiral..." "I like that dome of hers. Does she shave it?" "Admiral!" "Does it go all the way down?" "I can't, she, she's taken an oath of celibacy!" "I'm an Admiral, I can overlook that." "This is completely inappropriate!" "Again, Admiral." "I'm not going to stay here and listen to this!" ... ... .... "You've got to come out of the crapper eventually..." Oh, and in warships it wouldn't be considered all that weird to see your Co in pyjamas.
@stu729
3 ай бұрын
I do dig that phrase, the significance of magnificence, and it does convey that awe inspiring feeling of seeing a well decorated and rewarded officer whose quarters and offices reflect his grandiosity. I do see that in some of the people I've worked for/with (paramilitary organization) and their offices and locker rooms being separate and grand. But, this is Star Trek. Like you said, there's that overarching bend towards equality and away from materialism. Think back to Picard's explanation of the future to Lily: Money doesn't exist. The acquisition of wealth is no longer the driving force in their lives, working to better themselves and the rest of humanity. Take that to its logical conclusion, in a military organization, the grandiosity of a commander's cabin isn't the deciding factor of following him, it's the virtue of his position and the work he or she has done in that capacity. And speaking from experience, having been on both ends of the situation, when you have a commanding officer or supervisor who is not just pomp and plaques and majesty but will be with you there in the trenches, that stuff inspires you.
@dennisengland9787
3 ай бұрын
Speaking as someone that served on a submarine in the US Navy all I can think is "look at all that room!"
@michaeldominic3183
3 ай бұрын
So satisfying that you acknowledge that TOS did not have any enlisted crew. Everyone was officer no matter what their job on board. I've had so many arguments with people who refuse to accept this. Despite it coming from Gene directly. As for this video, as many have commented, Roddenberry believed in the advancement of humanity into the future. People respected their captain because he had proven he deserved their respect. No artificial forms of grandeur required. That is also why no salutes, no comments when Kirk came onto the bridge (though they did do that in some of the movies, because outside people were in charge). Pike's quarters on SNW are completely absurd even considering his Enterprise is the size of the Enterprise E.
@NorthernChev
2 ай бұрын
I don’t know why you’re disappointed in this video. I found it to be excellent.
@wuushew
3 ай бұрын
Does being close to the bridge actually save time in an emergency though? The lift could be conceivably any anywhere in the tube network. We see ladders being used in Wrath of Khan, but I don't know where that is supposedly occurring. Spock said they were inoperative below C deck.
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