I'm glad you made this video. I know most people dislike this game, but personally it spoke to me. It's conflicting experience and it isnt afraid to showcase some complex emotions.
@pluginleah
5 ай бұрын
I don't think most people dislike it. The haters are just loud and won't let it go
@jenishmaharjan9655
5 ай бұрын
@@pluginleah yeah, 4.7/5 on psn store, 8.8 imdb rating, 97 metacritic critic score (before all the heat). with probably the best acting across all the games, only contested by uncharted 4 and rdr2, this game is a masterpiece.
@mdihero
5 ай бұрын
to me it is so so obviously superior to the original
@maddog7999
5 ай бұрын
@@pluginleahwhy do they dislike it?
@pluginleah
5 ай бұрын
@maddog7999 ask them. Go to their subreddit where they discuss a game they've been hating for 4 years. If you can tolerate the pathetic vibes you can probably find out why they hate it
@ChiPandaAndKeegan
6 ай бұрын
13:00 Another subtexual element about Ellie's decision here that I think many people overlook is that Ellie is probably suicidal. Part of her trauma is that Joel took her righteous death away, and now she lives with no purpose. That haunts her even after she has a "happy ending" at the farm. When she leaves Dina, she isn't losing her... Ellie believes she's already lost it all. And pointlessly hunting Abby is all she has left. Ellie hopes to die by Abby's hands, both to pay back Abby for what she has done to her friends, and to release herself from life. Ellie never left to kill Abby, she left to die. But Abby denied Ellie her death, so Ellie lets her go in the end because fate had decided she would live, just as it had when she was bitten at 14.
@NinjaChief101
6 ай бұрын
fuuuuuuccckkkkk, great point...
@MPREGCOOKING
5 ай бұрын
Beautifully said.
@g8yearsago948
5 ай бұрын
Love this take
@ChiPandaAndKeegan
5 ай бұрын
Thanks for hearing my thoughts, y'all. I want to share an additional thought I've had since writing this. I'm really obsessed with the music The Last of Us uses. In the original Part II announcement trailer, Ellie sings "Through the Valley". The song uses Biblical allusion to elevate the guilt of the writer's wrongdoing. Ellie sings, "I can't walk on the path of the right, because I'm wrong." By the time Ellie goes to Santa Barbara, she has spiraled so deep into her suicidal depression that she no longer simply believes she should die, but that her soul is damned. She is unable to be corrected. When she finds Abby, Ellie seeks judgment on her own soul. But Abby had found the light; she no longer seeks vengeance. Mercy has been forced on Ellie's soul. It's only now that Ellie finally glimpses the light. She wanted to be forsaken, but Joel's love for her did not falter, and in the event of his death, his love became eternal. Ellie's sins have been forgiven, and so she can now forgive Joel.
@gwenstacy6269
5 ай бұрын
Holy shit man...I never thought she might be suicidal,but you have a good point,the story is already sad enough,that's like rubbing salt in a wound.
@solas444
6 ай бұрын
Part 1: Love & Sacrifice Part 2: Vengeance & Grief Part 3: Forgiveness & Redemption
@mattv2956
6 ай бұрын
That's just Red Dead
@Augutin-
6 ай бұрын
@@mattv2956but zombies
@Flo-qw4jr
5 ай бұрын
I hope the third game is about finding your purpose and about redeeming yourself again.
@Juhani96
5 ай бұрын
@@mattv2956 red dead wasn't written so well. I mean story line was solid but getting into characters wasn't as easy and it didin't got such deep story behind characters.
@chipotlesnumber1stan
5 ай бұрын
i know this is gonna be a rant but i feel like part 2 was about forgiveness and redemption its just that both characters got only 1 of those emotions. Abby saving Lev is her redemption while Ellie letting go of her anger towards joel by not killing Abby is the forgiveness aspect. Both characters gained these emotions through such painful lessons.
@gothamsmostwantedclownbitc7107
6 ай бұрын
I don't think enough people put emphasis on her PTSD. She was endangering their kid. I can't see her decision for revenge as entirely selfish.
@aseemmaurya8267
6 ай бұрын
it is selfish no matter what you went through leaving your own kid behind for revenge is selfish.
@gothamsmostwantedclownbitc7107
6 ай бұрын
@@aseemmaurya8267 1. Not her kid. 2, she was a danger. Her flashes easily caused her to start falling and being frantic. One hard fall would kill a baby. She did what she had to.
@aseemmaurya8267
6 ай бұрын
@@gothamsmostwantedclownbitc7107 LOL, you make it sound like she kept falling every second. It is her kid well adoptive atleast. That baby boy was as much as Ellie's responsibility as it was dina's.
@gothamsmostwantedclownbitc7107
6 ай бұрын
@@aseemmaurya8267 Still wasn't her kid. And all it takes is once. If you'd paid attention to the video, he said in her journal she mentioned her symptoms were only getting worse.
@aseemmaurya8267
6 ай бұрын
@@gothamsmostwantedclownbitc7107 I get that I have seen the entire gameplay. But still I feel as if once you are a parent whether adoptive or biological your own needs becomes less important.
@thisishowitallends9321
5 ай бұрын
That’s what I always had a problem with. All those games and TV Shows showing main character going through a whole ton of trauma with no repercussions. TLOU II finally portrayed the reality of people dealing with PTSD in a post “happy ending” way
@watchmehope6560
3 ай бұрын
Endless manga/ novels: am i a joke to you?
@thisishowitallends9321
2 ай бұрын
@@watchmehope6560 i don’t read/watch those
@lee-xq3ij
6 ай бұрын
7:18 not even a couple of weeks, the night before. i think that’s what makes both scenes so heartbreaking, willing to fix their relationship but having no time to even process it all before it’s taken away. beautifully written video
@drewvanzee6433
5 ай бұрын
fr was just about to say the same thing, having the night before as the last cutscene 1) made me cry, but 2) helped solidify that Ellie had forgiven Joel by the end of her vengeance quest
@TofuProductionz
2 ай бұрын
also he messed up when he said she killed mel and owen for no reason, there’s a dialogue after she kills nora where she says she made her tell her why they did it
@mariitz_
Ай бұрын
@@TofuProductionzShe made Nora tell where they were. Ellie never knew because she thinks they just killed Joel because of the massacre in the hospital
@Senki207
6 ай бұрын
Not exactly related to THIS video in particular but something I'd like to point out that many reviewers and gamers interpret the ending of The Last of Us Part II as "Ellie has lost everyone and everything and became a shell of her former self". Something that often goes unacknowledged is that Ellie is NINETEEN in Part II. She basically has her whole life ahead of her to grow and heal from her trauma. Regardless of whether we get a Part III or not, Ellie's journey is far from over. At the end of Part II she's 19, 20 at most, and has already gone through things and learned lessons that most people never do their entire lives. Whether Ellie gets back together with Dina or not, whether she learns to play guitar left-handed or not, whether she goes back to Jackson or not, she basically has her whole life ahead of her. One big arc that she's yet to complete is learning to love and value her own life beyond what her immunity means, facing the reality that even if her death would 100% result in a vaccine against the Cordyceps, it still wouldn't "save the world", as you can't just undo 25 years of total societal collapse with a vaccine. So, regardless of which direction Ellie's journey is going, one thing is clear: she's still in the beginning of it. Saying that "Ellie's life is over" because of what she went through in her late teens is a bit like saying that "my dating life is over" because your high-school sweetheart cheated on you.
@TheAbandonedAccount7
5 ай бұрын
Personally, its been 10 years since my trauma and not much good has come. I mean, its a fictional character and this is real life, but I'd say its likely, with what shes been through, that she wont be able to heal either. The "my life is over" feeling has only grown, if anything.
@maferopa
5 ай бұрын
@@TheAbandonedAccount7 i hope things will get better, try enjoying and holding onto the small things around you. wishing you the best.
@bboi1489
4 ай бұрын
She has no point in living. No reason to live beyond 19. That's her whole tragedy.
@HexAddams
4 ай бұрын
@@bboi1489pretty pessimistic way of thinking, wouldn’t you say? I honestly think druckman had much more of a lesson to teach beyond “life sux, die now”
@Lashaei
4 ай бұрын
While I agree with your point and there’s still hope. You gotta admit, they’re in a freaking apocalypse where people’s perspective have COMPLETELY changed now. Not really a lot of people open and trusting anymore. Definitely can’t be compared to getting cheated on by your high school sweetheart. Characters in the last of us are living and surviving in a world totally different from ours. I imagine it’s way harder to gather up hope and see life as being something Ellie has to look forward to. No matter her age. Look at their world. You could die in an instant and people wouldn’t care if you’re a girl, a woman, young, or even the cure. Remember David? Even if someone did possibly want to help Ellie or save her, her fear, her ptsd is so deep yet in a world that’s so broken. Not trying to be negative, just really put yourself in her shoes with a world like that. It’s easier said than done, and I as much as I’d love to see a hopeful part 3 for Ellie, I hope they don’t make it too much of a fairy tale and keep the reality of her world evident. I do hope Ellie finds her hope within herself as you said, but not before they continue to explore her trauma with PTSD. It’d be interesting to see her overcome it in an apocalyptic world with limited resources. Inspiring honestly. I struggle with PTSD, but really couldn’t imagine being in an apocalypse with it. Really excited for a part three. I hope they drop it soon.
@LynXify
5 ай бұрын
I am so glad that now there's much more positive commentary on this game because the rest of the community just calls this game the Mid of Us and won't shutup about how they can't handle Joel's death. The game is much more than "revenge is bad" and I am glad we are getting content like this that dives deeper into the actions the characters took
@angelicaamora11
5 ай бұрын
Calling this game mid is just hatingggg It’s crazy
@ashvxz
4 ай бұрын
@@angelicaamora11fr
@bboi1489
4 ай бұрын
After taking a breather and playing the game proper, I can truly come to see it as nothing short of a perfect piece of writing. Even if you think it was bad, there's a very little chance you can convince me it's poorly written. The deep, raw character writing, themes, dialogue, it's all so real and masterfully written. It's just amazing.
@IImNotGhostyyy
2 ай бұрын
@@angelicaamora11 I'd say the main reason they call it bad or mid is because they can't say "it's not for me". I'm personally on that team. The story didn't catch me in the same way that part 1 did, and the constant switching between characters and flashbacks was frustrating (this was mainly when I tried getting back into the game last month). Everything else was great, the whole game is. It's just not for me
@izzatmirabitov3805
Ай бұрын
@@bboi1489 Some portion of people also think that the government orchestrated 9/11, so I wouldn’t be surprised that this game will be praised for writing merit
@SP1DERMOUTH
6 ай бұрын
its crazy to me how its lost on a majority of people that abby and lev are so parallel to joel and ellie. abby and ellie have similarities too, with seeking vengeance for their fathers but joel and abby really have such similar roles and traits in more ways imo. i think ellie could really see that in the end as abby was protecting lev and thats a big part of why ellie spares her (but theres a lot more behind that decision ultimately i believe)
@theoutsiderjess1869
5 ай бұрын
Its not the problem is that we know next to nothing about Abby or her friends and are expected to care that she is now in a similar role to Joel that is what is pissing the fanbase off
@SydBiek
5 ай бұрын
I agree. Well said! Man it really gets me that some people don’t analyze these parts of the characters and the nuance of the story, because that’s what makes it such a masterpiece…
@TheAbandonedAccount7
5 ай бұрын
I dont think its lost on people, as much as the bond just isnt anywhere near as endearing or interesting
@SydBiek
5 ай бұрын
@@TheAbandonedAccount7 yeah, I agree with that 100%. Abby can never beat them for sure imo, I don’t even really like her, but I guess I’m trying to force myself to understand the other dynamics in the story. Ellie stan and Joel apologist till the day I die 💀
@aweirdoandaphone4135
4 ай бұрын
Bruh, the only KZitemr I know that sees this parallel is Jettro Jettro (neat guy, would recommend)
@hdgsjjdhf
6 ай бұрын
After playing this game, I was shocked at how many couldn’t sympathize with Abby, but excused Ellie.
@Arrowzeditz
6 ай бұрын
We knew Ellie, we cared about her and saw her grow. Abby came in, killed Joel, and then preceded have an arc with little to no actual build up or explanation, AND slaughtering her former comrades with no problems what so ever. Simple fact being: Ellies story was relatable, Abbys was not.
@hdgsjjdhf
6 ай бұрын
@@Arrowzeditz I get what you’re sayin’ and it might just be because I do relate to Abby, but in my opinion Joel and Ellie together did way worse than Abby. And Abby’s situation was complicated, the wolves weren’t great people to begin with. They just took in former fireflies cuz they had nowhere else to go, and the wolf leader was shit and was literally about to kill Abby on the spot because she was protecting children. It was either her or them and she chose herself and Lev. Can’t blame her.. for killing her former comrades at least.
@AnthonyMcNeil
6 ай бұрын
@@Arrowzeditz Abby is relateable. HER FATHER WAS MURDERED. Regardless of how you personally feel about Abby or Jerry, that does not take away the fact that Joel killed him. Abby had every right to kill the guy that killed her father. Again, you and many others like Joel and Ellie and will defend all of their decisions and not want them to have any consequences. That is a main point of the game. Can you truly empathize with someone you don't like. That is a challenge in real life. We will defend the people we like when they do something wrong. If we don't like someone we wont defend them or want to even see their perspective. Abby is teenager in mourning and grief just like Ellie is. It is sad that people didn't care to see her grief.
@theoutsiderjess1869
5 ай бұрын
You cant sympathize with someone you dont know especially after 10 hours playing as them. Also Abby killed someones dad right in front of them amd didnt expect them to come after them
@MPREGCOOKING
5 ай бұрын
@@theoutsiderjess1869 Okay, and? From Abby's point of view, this crazy man just barged into their base and uprooted her whole life by murdering her father and comrades with little to no reason. Things aren't that black and white, dude. And if it's that hard for you to consider other people's circumstances and positions and sympathize with them, I think you are just close-minded and ignorant, unwilling to learn or think about other people aside from yourself or those closest to you. As I said, things are not that black and white.
@robinronin
6 ай бұрын
This is such a beautiful, tragic story, and it resonated deeply with me as someone with C-PTSD. I’m so glad whenever I see a video pop up on my feed that discusses it. It’s disgusting to think back on what the scum of the internet did to this amazing game when it was first released. I can’t imagine hating women and LGBTQ+ people so much that you would feel the need to disregard this masterpiece. Joel turned into a monster, and he faced the consequences of his actions. Abby turned into a monster, and she faced the consequences of her actions. Ellie turned into a monster, and she faced the consequences of her actions. This game is an amazing depiction of trauma and the endless cycle of violence that can only be broken with forgiveness and healing and moving on. I absolutely adore it, and I always will.
@TheAbandonedAccount7
5 ай бұрын
Good god, this sounds like defenders of OITNB. Bad storytelling has nothing to do with lgbts. If a story is bad, its bad. Just because like 10 redditors made it about that, doesn't mean thats what the majority thought. Most people I've seen bash on the game, is due to the absolutely atrocious writing, and complete incompetency by the people who wrote it. Its so ridiculously flawed. It has such terrible framing/pacing and conveys its message horribly. Seriously, anyone who thinks this game was an innovative masterpiece, or is any way remotely better than just an average story, clearly hasn't played many games/watched many movies/read many books. Emotional themes like this have been explored WAYYY better. Play a game like Death Stranding, A Plague Tale, God of War Ragnarok. All games with stories that are leaps and bounds better than tlou2.
@rwipvanwinkle
5 ай бұрын
@@TheAbandonedAccount7 TLOU2 is a good game, if you read Robins second to last sentence-really summarizes its key takeaway
@bboi1489
4 ай бұрын
@@TheAbandonedAccount7 They didn't say that was the only criticism, just that a lot of people disregarded the game for that reason, which, being honest, is true.
@kookykritter2912
4 ай бұрын
This is exactly how I feel about this game. To add on. People try to forget, like Brandon here, that multiple things can be true. Ellie, Joel, Abby, EVERYONE in this world is good and bad and people seem to try and forget that. There are games to play to get black and white simple vibes. This ain’t it and I love it because of that
@aldotheapache
4 ай бұрын
@@TheAbandonedAccount7death stranding is dogshit
@herdiman8741
6 ай бұрын
This game ruined my soul...
@greek3666
6 ай бұрын
Literally
@raynabev9632
6 ай бұрын
this game took my soul
@redo7460
6 ай бұрын
Mine too, cause i kept dying on grounded
@meathead2934
6 ай бұрын
This game ruined the franchise
@Juhani96
5 ай бұрын
@@meathead2934 you don't have emotional inteligence if u think that way. You just have to understand this ain't basic good vs. bad story. All are human beings feeling their natural emotions and doing dumb shit to each other because of it. Joel was murderer, Ellie became murderer and so do Abigail. No one ain't better than other.
@kaelzsh1t
6 ай бұрын
2:46 Ellie was very smart for her age in this scene, she definitely had the right to know what happened but I like how the game split it into two parts, making Joel tell her the truth at 17 instead of 14. A really small detail but a really cool one nonetheless.
@Juhani96
5 ай бұрын
Yeah, Joel was a damn selfish what becomes to that
@kaelzsh1t
5 ай бұрын
@@Juhani96 he was, the thing is, after sarah died, ellie represented his daughter which i totally get, but for him to keep that from her for so long was very selfish.
@Juhani96
5 ай бұрын
@@kaelzsh1t exactly
@theoutsiderjess1869
5 ай бұрын
She found out at 15
@Juhani96
5 ай бұрын
@@theoutsiderjess1869 she was 17 on that scene, because present day she is 19
@howdyheycowpoke
4 ай бұрын
I have cPTSD and Ellie is my favorite depiction of it. The way she acts + carries herself, the way she loses the happy parts of herself, her journal entries ... all feels like the creators just sat and observed me for yeaaars. It was surreal seeing everything. I hope Ellie was able to recover, praying for TLOU 3 ahhhh
@marvelking182
6 ай бұрын
YES! Literally I’ve been telling everybody that this game is peak narration on so many levels! The only reason why people still hate this game is because, like Ellie, they can’t seem to be able to move on from Joel’s death. Like, Druckmann was such a genius for being able to make the players dive so deep in this story that we’re not only put in the character’s shoes, but WE become the character, and Ellie is just the vehicle we control to get revenge over Joel. I don’t care what everyone says, this game is a masterpiece! Honestly, if you want to have more conversations about it, I’m all here for it! Good job with the analysis!
@TheBossFighterz
6 ай бұрын
Thank you so much man, glad you enjoyed the vid!
@DanielGonzalez-xu1hi
6 ай бұрын
Not really we bring up mistakes about the story but yall just seem to glaze everything about the game even with its many issues. The pacing is bad, the flashbacks within flashbacks were stupid, joels death wasn’t even properly built up, and most of the traumatic event were mostly for pure shock factor. Anything traumatic that happened in the first game move the story forward better. In the second it just felt like they were doing purely to shock the audience
@marvelking182
6 ай бұрын
@@DanielGonzalez-xu1hi it’s because in those moments that’s the reaction that was supposed to be generated: as I said, in the game we’re put in Ellie’s shoes, a girl who’s so obsessed with vengeance that she doesn’t give herself time to grieve the friends she loses. She has one goal in mind: killing the woman that took her father from her (at that point, Joel was basically a father to her). So the only death that “matters” to her is Joel’s. Plus what do you mean his death was not properly built up? His death is supposed to be a shocking moment, and it’s not like people in The Last of Us do a heroic speech before dying. I think his death is exactly what you could expect from a world so chaotic like that. And, again, the shock effect we feel is the same thing Ellie feels while she watched it all unfold. The deaths in the first game had the same effect, as the majority were shocking moments, while the one death that truly left a scar in Joel was his daughter’s, and the one death that left a scar in Ellie was Henry’s and Sam’s. The deaths in the second game are made to mean little because, again, Ellie’s mind is fixated on killing Abby, because the desire for retribution has become a true obsession, until the point where she loses everything and everyone she had, finding herself alone. Her worst fear has come true, and now she needs to find herself and rebuild what she has lost of herself. I personally didn’t consider the flashbacks to be stupid: I think they were important to understand really what drove Abby to do what she did. For the pacing I can understand why you think it’s bad, and it’s probably the only thing I believe they could’ve done a bit better
@DanielGonzalez-xu1hi
6 ай бұрын
@@marvelking182 Joels death wasn’t earned or properly build up. To kill off a main character in a shocking way is difficult and must be earned. Take Game of thrones. Robbs death was shocking but no one was really mad about it cause it was great writing and it made sense to the story. Joels death was the opposite. To stand in the middle of the room with a bunch of strangers revealing their names and telling them where Jacksonville was so out of character. Peoples basic argument oh they been living peacefully. Which is wrong. If u listen to the dialogue during gameplay they talk how they been having to deal with the infected and bandits. So joels death didn’t make much sense in terms of writing. Also the attempts to manipulate the audience to like abby was very cheap. Having her pet dogs while having ellie brutally kill them is a bit lazy. Also the owen and abby love story just felt bland and out of no where and didn’t really add nothing to the story. Overall the game is very mediocre far from a masterpiece. The story felt like it was trying really hard to one up the first game with shock factors and all to tell the same type of story we seen a bunch of times in media. People also bring up how this game won a lot of awards but forget it came out during the pandemic so there wasnt much competition at the time.
@herdiman8741
6 ай бұрын
I agree with u ..
@twdgs3
6 ай бұрын
this is a great video essay! ellie's trauma is a driving force behind every single one of her actions in part 2. and her quest to bring peace to herself after that trauma of losing joel only serves to retraumatize her over and over again. she just can't seem to stop herself, and it's truly a devastating thing to watch as you see her go from joking around with dina in seattle day 1 to abandoning jesse and tommy and seeking out abby by herself on day 3, and then eventually also abandoning dina and jj at the farm to try and make that trauma stop hurting so much. i love the last of us part 2 so much
@ThatFont
3 ай бұрын
Part 2’s reception shows that people only wanted surface level writing like Marvel/DC comics, another journey of Joel and Ellie. It’s a fantastic game.
@Suoinotlad
20 күн бұрын
Right? Look its not like I wanted Joel to die, but I do love a game that can make me bawl my damn eyes out. Everyone on the internet whining about how bad the game is bc Joel is dead and the antagonist is a masculine female, I think it's all beautiful. It's not a happy story, it's an insanely emotionally devastating story and that's what i like about it. Not every story has to be a happy one, and I just don't think people understand that. People want a cookie cutter good guy wins, bad guy loses story to make them feel all fuzzy inside. In contrast, I love stories that make me feel like I was just emotionally and psychologically agressively tossed straight into a wall of cement.
@illbrush3672
5 ай бұрын
I got Ellie’s tattoo as a symbol of my struggle with PTSD
@emmaelstad341
4 ай бұрын
Everyone struggles it's how you use that pain that matters
@EllyCatfox
3 ай бұрын
@@emmaelstad341 I appreciate the sentiment but not everyone struggles like those with PTSD. It's oftentimes *not* about using the pain but about finding comfort and healing and help from real people and also about forming new love and kindness. Although using the pain once those things have been established is absolutely helpful. Make some great art etc. with that pain for sure.
@EllyCatfox
3 ай бұрын
I really really want this tattoo. I named myself mostly after her... though I changed the last couple letters cause it's queerer this way.
@Kiaraluvssyouu
2 ай бұрын
That is so beautiful 😭
@forkliftcertifed123
26 күн бұрын
youll regret that in a few years
@caelebcuevas7884
5 ай бұрын
honestly, this is one of the deepest and heartfelt games. You get to experience the pain of both the antagonist and protagonist, making it hard to choose who will you side with.
@therealist9052
4 ай бұрын
I find it interesting how the backdrop for this whole game is that the entire world (pretty much) is already dead and / or dying, but people are still killing each other for the same reasons just as if nothing had happened.
@Savorychicken41
5 ай бұрын
I know a lot of people didn’t like Joel dying in part two, but it made sense to me. In the end even he had to pay for all the bad he had done. I thought the story came together perfectly. No Hollywood happy ending here.
@iamalex.7131
2 ай бұрын
Agreed. My first thought in Part 1 at the end when Ellie confronts Joel and he deliberately lies to her face about the fireflies was "...and this is why he has to die :(". Like, I meant that a person can only do so many "bad" (even if justified) things, before karma comes back to bite them - and Joel lying to the person he loves the most, to me, was the perfect "forshadowy" moment for his actions needing to have consequences. Didn't make it hurt less when it happened though..
@yakkattack
19 күн бұрын
I had no problem with Joel dying but playing as the bitch that killed him nah fuck that shit
@jesamavi
6 ай бұрын
The last of us Part 1: The world took everything from him, so he took something from the world. The last of us Part 2: The world gave her everything, and she refused the world.
@Anthony-rg4hy
5 ай бұрын
Perfectly sums it up
@neuviotterss
6 ай бұрын
i rooted for ellie, i wanted her to kill abby, however, HOWEVER, and this will sound hypocritical of me, i understood abby’s perspective, why she did what she did, and i understood that the cycle of violence becomes even more dangerous, and at the end both ellie and abby lost everything they cared for.
@Funnylittleman
5 ай бұрын
One thing, around 9:00 or so. Ellie knows why Abby killed Joel at this point. She says earlier that day that she tortured the reason out of Nora. She didn’t need to ask Mel and Owen why, she knows. She just wanted to find Abby.
@sevlows
2 ай бұрын
Ellie thinks Abby killed Joel because he prevented a cure from being made... So technically she still doesn't know the true reason.
@Vigilante1717
5 ай бұрын
This game is one of a kind. It has its problems, but its such a powerful emotional journey that sticks with you forever. Great video sir!
@jinx808-8
6 ай бұрын
Finally, someone explains the reason for all the characters actions, it's cuz of trauma, people who had played or watched people play the game shit on it because they think it's poorly written, but it isn't, they don't understand the characters ways of doing things, like joel saving ellie or ellie sparing abby's life, trauma changed them completely so they have different perspectives to life than they used to
@ozzell
16 күн бұрын
You summarized the game's story perfectly in the first 50 seconds of the video. Thank you!
@hannahr8277
23 күн бұрын
Thank you for speaking exactly what‘s on my mind. I feel that a lot of people don‘t get that. It‘s literally a masterpiece, every single moment of it. I think that‘s why I had so much trouble enjoying the tv show. It was solid, but it felt rushed and didn‘t captured the essence and meaning of the game. The transparency between brutality and kindness, death and life, horror and beauty was captured so effortlessly in the game, you felt every second of it. You truly understood Joels action at the end. You went on that journey with them, that felt slow, hard and like a lifetime. You see Ellie making jokes, catching fireflies or learning how to whistle and nearly forget about the apocalypse and the reason for their journey. Then, in the next second, you fight yourself through corridors and halls and running from infected and get reminded of what you‘re trying to accomplish in the first place and why it‘s so important. I totally missed that feeling in the tv adaption. Hated that they were just walking all the way to the hospital while encountering like two clickers. Why make a cure when the world is really not that threatening in the first place? Really hope they‘re doing better with the second season. People don‘t want to hear it, but there is a reason for the violence. („If I ever were to loose you, I‘d surely loose myself.“)
@gothicgramma
5 ай бұрын
you put what i’ve felt for this game the last few years perfectly into words. beautiful video, thank you.
@samhinnant4416
4 ай бұрын
I can't think of a better written game that makes you feel all of the best and worst emotion of beings a human being in this fallen world.
@krayzieridah
4 күн бұрын
The end made me think of what Ellie said to Sam in the first game. 'I'm scared of ending up all alone''. That fear became reality, and was well deserved.
@KiwiMarmaladeJr
Ай бұрын
Late comment, but thank you so much for putting into words why I love this game so much. People who say Ellie should have killed Abby missed the point of the game entirely. People claim the game's ending wasn't satisfying because of this, not realizing that there is no satisfying ending. The first game was met with controversy when it came out because of Joel's decision leading to the last line being an uncertain "okay." This game was never destined to have a happy ending, even if the plot was somehow different and Joel came with Ellie on her adventure
@Himbeere_02
2 ай бұрын
Tears in my eyes. The story is such a masterpiece, both parts. I like the "simple" great story from part 1, but part 2 is so deep. I always thought I liked part 1 more, but now I know it was just because of the "sad" ending.
@SummerWind_
5 ай бұрын
“Repeatedly slammed Dina’s head into the concrete as self defense.” At what point is it no longer self defense?
@victory8928
4 ай бұрын
When you are so used to fighting zombies and live in a time where every injury could be fatal, yeah I think overkill is good when people are hunting you.
@Tadicuslegion78
Ай бұрын
If there is one thing this game got right, speaking as someone who got counselling to deal with PTSD/Anxiety, is that you think everything is cool and that you've managed to overcome the bad event and don't dwell on it anymore....and then all it takes is one small thing and boom, it's back front and center.
@duncanb.a.s2886
4 ай бұрын
This game is so special. I am so glad I was part of the day one exprience. I was haunted, still am I guess, by the game. First time I playyed it, when finished, I was sat on my couch and I just cried, almost like there was something in me that needed that experience. I did really cry and still today, when remembered or replaying the game, the pain is still there. What an absolute masterpiece.
@RatedRLoquender
6 ай бұрын
This game destroyed me mentally… and i love it for it. ♥️
@nedcarlton409
5 ай бұрын
Ellie and Abby both are suffering grief in the loss of their fathers. We meet Abby, who is now at a completely different place in her grief than Ellie. She lost her dad four years ago and spent 4 years seeking that revenge, achieved it only to find that it did not satisfy anything. She only had her grief satisfied when she helped others, as her father had lived his life. Ellie, however, is only starting her journey of grief. Like the video points out, most of the game is just weeks after Ellie lost Joel. The climax of the second act, we see Abby, with Lev’s help, come to a full understanding and acceptance of her grief. She is moving on with Lev, her people, to the next chapter in her life beyond the grief. In the climax, Ellie has just started to hit the lowest part of her grief. She is alone. The last moments in the game are the beginning of her acceptance. Hopefully, she is able to move forward in her grief and heal herself, now that she has no one. I like to think that she was headed to Jackson to try to mend what she had broken, I think that she still has people that love her there and can help her heal as Lev helped Abby.
@iamalex.7131
2 ай бұрын
perfectly summarized! 💜
@MckenzieGalvez
2 ай бұрын
I bought the game in early 2021 knowing about Joel's death and I still ended up dropping the game until summer of 2023. As a kid I looked at Joel as a hero because he did everything to protect Ellie, and now as a young adult it sent me into a mental crisis as I played the full second game.
@amandimation
6 ай бұрын
I really love this essay, and i think you do a great job at laying out the elements of the story that make it so effective…. But i gotta say, the footage with her in her seattle day 3 skin is pretty distracting, especially in the footage of her final fight with abby. Her character design gets visibly weaker the further her quest takes her, the blood stained white tank top shows us how frail she is. The seattle day 3 skin with the rain jacket totally undermines the theme of her visible deteroriation
@synersk
6 ай бұрын
Great video, hope this blows up
@Andre-pr4pq
6 ай бұрын
Very good video summarizing the core of the story. I love both games and I wish there would be even more appreciation for the second one in particular, since this is literally one of the most, if not the most, immersive and complex stories in video game history. I understand that some people wanted a different direction for the story, but this is undeniably a masterpiece of storytelling. And your video just explained it so well. Hoping for more TLOU videos from you
@VIIKZ
5 ай бұрын
You're really good at representing psychology. Trauma with Ellie, I wonder what other video game characters you could make a video on!!!
@TheBossFighterz
5 ай бұрын
Next is Venom! Currently working on it rn, just took a break from editing lol. Glad you enjoyed the vid :)
@catstisttomato8654
21 күн бұрын
Honestly I side with Joel, the “doctor” that would make a vaccine didn’t have much experience nor was it guaranteed, the odds were against him and everyone, I believe he made a good choice, even if it wasn’t the heroic one
@Cori-r4d
19 күн бұрын
Exactly and it was irrational because the government had already fallen apart so how are they gonna get it out to people?
@SOAPhia083
6 ай бұрын
“When an innocent is turned into a sadist than they have suffered a lot, and are going to make other popped suffer a lot” -quote
@Makplayss
3 ай бұрын
this is easily the best video on this topic thank you so much for making it
@Ann_TLOU12
5 ай бұрын
This is probably the best summary of The last of us ever. This game broke me apart and honestly it really deserves more love.❤😢
@OfficeDispatch-ls2ik
4 ай бұрын
the cycle of trauma never ends.. Ellie had the chance to walk away and break the cycle, however she didnt and kept it going
@BallCant
4 ай бұрын
This game is a masterpiece.
@JusttSarinaa
Ай бұрын
So many people are unhappy with this game because Joel died & then we didn’t get that “happy ending” of Ellie killing Abby. I don’t think people truly understand what the whole story was trying to say. Like trust me, I was so fucking mad when I had to play as Abby, but you start to learn that she’s just an ordinary woman in this broken world. If we were following Abby from the very first game, we would see Ellie as the bad guy. The ending absolutely broke me, I wanted her to kill Abby so bad but I also was able to understand why she didn’t. That flashback she has of Joel siting on the porch smiling, reminded her that he wouldn’t have wanted this life for her, regardless of the hurt he put her through. She broke that cycle by not killing Abby & letting her and Lev survive. Coming back home to see that Dina meant what she said; it solidifies this relationship Ellie had with Revenge & the toll PTSD had on her. There’s no happy ending & that just makes sense, this isn’t a world of happy endings.
@basicsimp8798
4 ай бұрын
The fact that a lot of gamers literally sent death threats to actual people over a video game is just disgusting
@nina-ge6mn
4 ай бұрын
wait what i havent heard of this
@ThatFont
3 ай бұрын
@@nina-ge6mnLaura Bailey who plays Abby, and she’s a wonderful person.
@justapseudonym7
6 ай бұрын
Trauma sucks 😔 and we are so fragile that it can happen from the most "simple" things like being verbally abused by your parents growing up
@EFUwazurike
5 ай бұрын
Joel had a rocky relationship with Tommy, Tess, and Ellie. So I would say selfishness in the face of those they care about is another trait Ellie learned from Joel. Also, Abby’s entire quest after killing Joel is entirely introspective and shows that she’s actually thinking a lot about how her actions have affected her.
@BOKCDathDiamond
6 ай бұрын
Did you seriously just say “Joel killed every man, woman, and child”? 1st of all why the the bloodyhell would there be kids at the hospital with the fireflies 2nd if there were kids Joel would not kill a child 3rd he didn’t kill every firefly, by the time he reached the elevator to the parking garage fireflies were running towards the elevator but didn’t get to stop him. Also in The Last of Us Part 2 we see a small group of armed fireflies outside the hospital hence where Abby and Owen were outside. Lastly most fireflies joined the WLFs which Isaac allowed the salt lake crew travel to Jackson to seek vengeance on Joel.
@petermj1098
6 ай бұрын
Joel is a bad guy. Tommy literally said he had nightmares cause of the thing Joel made them to do survive. Ellie blatantly asks Joel if he killed innocent people and he didn’t want to tell her he did.
@BOKCDathDiamond
6 ай бұрын
@@petermj1098 Neil Druckman did say there are two different types of people, the ones who agree with what Joel and those who disagree with what he did. Which is true.
@darthrevan454
5 ай бұрын
Wtf are you doing? Why are you using critical thinking and observation skills? You're supposed to accept whatever this guy has to say and say that the game is good. Jesus man, get with the program.
@BOKCDathDiamond
5 ай бұрын
@@darthrevan454 Why are you worried about what another man is thinking? That's just weird, this is my opinion, everyone has a right to have their opinion when it's also based on facts and not theories and much appreciated for calling out my critical thinking and observation skills. And I don't know what "program" you are referring to but I'm not a follower like you.
@Anonymous-gu5ch
5 ай бұрын
@@BOKCDathDiamond he was being sarcastic...bro was supporting you
@simplymaxx
4 күн бұрын
you either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become a villain...
@fuego_jonny6528
5 ай бұрын
People need to shut up about how they didn’t like this game.
@jinadumehmet6
3 ай бұрын
This game is so beautiful
@Scallywag_Gilbert68
5 күн бұрын
i think the reason ellie didn't kill abby in the end is because she finally understood that this is not what joel would've wanted, he only wanted her to be happy and the only way for her to become happy again is to forgive abby and move on and heal from her trauma
@WabiSabbii
15 күн бұрын
I think Ellie’s biggest issue is that she has survivors guilt but she still has some hope that she’s a cure so she’d never wanna kill herself but she’s tired of outliving everyone. She’s Joel now 😭😭
@jameschhan3376
6 күн бұрын
Trauma has destroyed mine.
@amodity
4 ай бұрын
Having had trauma and ptsd i fully understand for i have had these things for most my life. Not anymore because ive worked through it all but I understand ellie on a deep level. Shes no longer that innocent child she was in tlou1. Shes not innocent anymore. Shes lost everything in her life causing her to leave someone who has loved her so deeply. But ellies most definitely suicidal. Living in misery everyday smothered by grief and ptsd even though there are people who she loves and that love her shes broken unable to be truly happy. Thats why she left dina because in her eyes her own life is not worth living anymore. So she finds the one thing to risk her life over and be wreckless with. Kill abby. Because she has no purpose or will to live anymore.
@Aerymir
4 ай бұрын
FINALLY SOMEONW WHI ACTUALLY GOT THE ACTUAL MEANING OUT OF THIS GAME! I APPRECIATE YOU!
@R4Y2k
8 күн бұрын
What I really liked about this game was how subtle the shift from "I'm gonna find and I'm gonna kill every last one of them" to "Please just go home Ellie, this isn't worth the price you'll have to pay" was. Hands down one of the best games I've ever played storywise. Even surpassed RDR2 for me.
@PatiP7309
3 ай бұрын
I think that people overlook the fact that Ellie left Dina not because she didnt love her, but because she was so terribly haunted by her trauma and PTSD she was unable to live normally. Of course Dina also had her trauma, but we can see how much she always cared for Ellie and a part of me likes to think that Dina will forgive her, that they had a similar conversation to Ellie and Joel 'i will try to forgive you'. They had a great bond and they both need to show understanding to eachother in order to live together again. I also think that if Ellie communicated her feelings and how she forgave herself and Abby for everything, it will cause Dina to forgive her aswell. Lets hope that we get TLOU3 so all of our questions can be answered
@BrianMedinaOfficial
5 ай бұрын
Fantastic work! You are very talented 👏👏👏
@bringles3042
Ай бұрын
cool 18 minute retrospective. thanks man
@cosmicalsounds
5 ай бұрын
I sent this to my brother who uses alcoholism instead of therapy to cope with grief
@Barbossa13zocker
19 күн бұрын
vengeance will cost you everything, if you are not careful, even yourself
@gio_vsxx
5 ай бұрын
“killing men, women, and children” what children? 😭
@markduarte5531
6 күн бұрын
Also I get why Ellie left dina and there kid for vengeance she was suffering from PTSD extremely bad And probably thought finishing what she started would help her with that struggle but when she saw Abby suffering on the post I think her first thought was Joel would want me to save her he didn't want this for me then when she cut her down she sits for a moment and thinks about Tommy and starts the fight then thinks about joel again while drowning abby and realizes the truth
@dannyblue8382
4 ай бұрын
Well done observation. Truly good.
@Charles-t6e
6 ай бұрын
Unlike most people I felt sympathy for Abby and Lev no one should go through that I was rooting for Abby all through chapter 3 through the rest of the game.
@AGE_97
6 ай бұрын
I don't. Everyone lost someone in that post apocalyptic world. Even Owen sarcastically told Abby if he should search for the people who murdered his parents and cut into them. Her revenge led to the death of the salt lake crew. Wasn't worth it. Plus my girl Ellie lost her fingers, still pisses me off. Garbage writing🚮
@Charles-t6e
6 ай бұрын
@@AGE_97 I just kinda felt that Ellie was an asshole in Santa Barbara she left her son and wife behind in the path for vengeance even after Abby spared her twice Abby just wanted to forget about it live a better life plus at the pillars when Abby and Lev are on the verge of death Ellie still runs to them trying to kill them. I agree that I wanted to fucking bash Abby’s skull in with a golf club for the first 3 quarters of the game. And I also agree that the pacing and writing was pretty horrendous.
@Froggumdrops
6 ай бұрын
I loved them both I was so torn when they had to fight
@zomboy-tp7jn
6 ай бұрын
@@AGE_97 I think if you are willing to play the game with an open mind again you'd probably see things a little differently. At least I hope you would. Have a good one.
@AGE_97
6 ай бұрын
@@zomboy-tp7jn I forgave so much in that game. But Ellie losing her fingers was wrong. That was seriously bad writing.
@darkhpokinsngaming8889
6 ай бұрын
Ellie finds Joel in a ski lodge not a cabin.
@BrainDead_
Ай бұрын
We need a Tommy story although I can’t really think of a compelling story as Tommy is literally a one eyed cripple, so they might have to rely on flashbacks in Boston Seattle and potentially see Tommy building up Jackson. Maybe he joins the firefly’s again and interacts with Abby and they have to learn to forgive one another and Tommy finally is redeemed. We need one more game to give the series a final send off, the ending of part 2 left me wanting another story. We need a last of us trilogy 🥹
@gabrielgeekbr5067
Ай бұрын
she wasn't being selfish for going to santa barbara. Ellie wasn't happy nor at peace. She wanted to end this story, and she did...
@The_hero_of_Hyrule_
2 ай бұрын
Love the parallels in the game. Joel kills the fireflies to save Ellie. Abby kills the WLFs to save Lev. Ellie tries to kill Joel’s murderer and her romance dies because of her trauma. Abby tries to kill her dad’s murderer and loses her partner because of the trauma of losing her father. Dina is pregnant with Jesse’s child. Mel is pregnant with Owen’s child. I’m sure there’s more but I can’t remember them rn
@cosmicalsounds
5 ай бұрын
The Last of Us storyline in general wouldn't make sense without everything that happened in The Last of Us Part 2. We all should've known it would go down...R.I.P Joel Miller
@TheDualHero15
4 ай бұрын
I absolutely love this game despite only playing it through once. The trauma and the characters actions make it hard for me. Such a good game and I only see hateful people who hate this game.
@gwenstacy6269
5 ай бұрын
I honestly don't know what to think of part 2,this game crushed me. I like it but in my opinion i disagree with some parts of the story they chose to add. I don't like part 2 because of Joel's death,I knew his choice of saving Ellie would bite him in the ass at some point,all of our actions have consequences. I like the game,but i don't think it's a perfect sequel/game it has many flaws,i still think the first game is better,and it is my favourite game
@dakidaksterrr
2 ай бұрын
I felt bad playing this game, the times i was mad at elie or abby Still its such a moral story 10/10
@athena4750
5 ай бұрын
this is beautifully poetic
@adeyorlando
5 ай бұрын
loved the video dude
@heathernave8311
28 күн бұрын
I swore I don’t know why but this part where her wife left and ever thing that happened hit me harder than any Thing ever
@dannysvanity
4 ай бұрын
This is such a beautiful video.
@jameslinebarger5503
4 күн бұрын
I never got the chance to play these games on initial release and played the First one earlier this year and this one about a week ago for the first time and I can say they are by far the best third person adventure horror games I’ve ever played. I’ve never been more invested and emotional disturbed by a story in a game. I love Resident evil, Silent Hill, gears of war, og CoD, and Uncharted but man these stick with you. When it came to the final fight of the game I felt uncomfortable and didn’t want to hurt Abby, her story, her family and mentality just is broken but she is stronger and our hero to this fucked up story. Joel was never a good guy we were just forced to like him by what we did For Ellie but once that was gone and we had to be Ellie I think we were shown just how wrong they may be and shown how positive and similar the Camps and Characters are. I hope we get a third game I feel as if Abby and Ellie’s story isn’t over but needs to be.
@MikeFireheart
6 ай бұрын
I think the biggest problem with this game is that it's a sequel to an entirely different story. Last Of Us 1 was about Joel and Ellie learning to trust each other as they travel through a pandemic stricken USA. The zombies were a constant threat and Ellie had a potential cure in her brain, but Joel refused to let her die for it. This leads to a more hopeful outlook on stopping the zombies. Last Of Us 2 just speeds off track into a story about revenge that's so disconnected from the original, that you could swap in original characters without changing anything. Actually, the only genuine connection is Abby's father in the fireflies that went from black to white between games. They can just rewrite that section and there's no connection. I personally think this game should've been an original game that focused on revenge and it would've been far less hated than it initially was.
@darthrevan454
5 ай бұрын
Yeah it could have been an anthology with maybe references of known characters
@MikeFireheart
5 ай бұрын
@@darthrevan454 Exactly and the entire anthology revolves around stories during the same zombie apocalypse.
@masterspork3735
5 ай бұрын
I got so excited; this resonates with me. I've not liked the game for so long, and it just sounds like this is what should've happened. Why is it a sequel? What about sequels makes me think this is a bad one, and doesn't stand as a game I want to pursue my thoughts in.
@MikeFireheart
5 ай бұрын
@@masterspork3735 Very true. Most bad sequels are usually either disconnected from the original story to where they're entirely different stories or they actively add things that mess up the original story.
@jenishmaharjan9655
5 ай бұрын
@@MikeFireheart U don't own this piece of media, thus u r in 0 position to tell to the creators who and what this story is about. Besides this game won goty and best narrative at tga, ghost of tshusima fanboi
@prpledough
4 ай бұрын
awesome video dude!
@Sorry1234-l9t
5 ай бұрын
This reminds me of a red dead redemption two The fight with Arthur and Micah I mean, two people fighting somebody who took everything from them
@ghostiebaka2809
4 күн бұрын
I feel like Ellie could have, and *would have* called Joel "dad" in their final moment together. They were close, maybe something was ruined over his lie, but she still loved him like a father. I think if Ellie said something to the lines of "Please don't kill my dad" Abby would have realized she is continuing a cycle herself. Sure Joel may have some brain damage and is certainly crippled in both legs, but he could have recovered and lived a somewhat decent life after what happened. And Abby and her friends would be spared the guilt of brutally executing a man in front of his surrogate daughter
@eddiecoxz8017
6 ай бұрын
Uhmmm, she did know why Addy did. She put it together in her notes
@hlogilehlogonolo5438
4 ай бұрын
I wanna know how our ancestors coped with Trauma, I mean imagine a sickness breaks out and you don’t know what’s causing it and your loved ones die or you hunting with others and someone close to you Gets eaten by a predator or even the wars people faced before the world wars, Now we thinking mental health is on the rise and we have methods to try deal with and cope but back then what was it?? It’s a scary thought
@itsspenchy617
5 ай бұрын
Joel never killed children
@MajinRose17
5 ай бұрын
Oooh I bet he has.....so many atrocities Joel has committed. Hopefully we get a prequel where we see him do his shit when he was a bandit/raider. Fucc yeah 😈
@gokumui1984
2 ай бұрын
Until proven he killed children we don’t know!
@marcelamarques6774
4 ай бұрын
Joel and Ellie were right for the world they lived in, they only had each other.
@TigerXGame
Ай бұрын
The story about trauma is a good one, and isolated it would have been an amazing exploration of revenge and trauma. But not as a sequel to The Last of Us. Not with the characters we've come to love and respect throughout the first game. This story could have worked without using those characters, but the fact that they chose to destroy the unique legacy of the first game is something I will never forgive.
@AddictedApple
3 ай бұрын
I disagree with your take at 10:30. Ellie very clearly thinks about her actions, as she has a full blown panic attack after killing Mel in SELF DEFENSE. She has bouts of PTSD, always questioning if she is going on the right path, even when initially going for Abby. Abby, on the other hand, does not have any regards for how her actions may effect others. She was the top "Scar" killer, implying she has taken drastically more lives and she has no remorse in doing so. How far she is willing to go is evidently seen in her FIVE YEAR revenge plot trying to find Joel, whom she does not even consider the motivations of in that entire time, AND joyfully about to kill Dina before needing to be stopped. Abby only serves as a foil tool in the story. Ellie IS aware that her revenge is self destructive. She goes through the stages of grief throughout the story, which ultimately ends in her acceptance of Joel's death. She empathizes with Abby throughout her journey, spending FAR less time dwelling on the thoughts of revenge and even forgiving Abby in that time. It is also obvious Ellie would have never killed Liv. (But then again that whole sequence didn't really match up with the character, motivations, and experience Ellie had up to that point so.. I agree with your 15:44 take) So, in short: Abby DOES NOT think about her actions or repercussions. Ellie very clearly does and her humanity is always intact. Both choose selfishness in their grief, but that doesn't mean that both also choose to ignore the damage they are doing. Only Ellie does, that is part of her arc. Abby, however, seeks redemption through validation (Owen, Liv, etc.).
@ThatFont
3 ай бұрын
You’re completely disregarding Abby’s character arc because you’re biased. No mention of Mel and Owen or Lev.
@AddictedApple
3 ай бұрын
@@ThatFont Abby's character arc is a direct foil to Ellie. In that, Abby's trauma is the path of violence and destruction, where Ellie is finding her own way and discovering if that is the path for her. So, no. I'm not disregarding it at all. In fact, I am acknowledging that Abby's character hasn't completed her arc, as she has only served others in the story up to this point, and that is how she is finding her redemption. As I say at the very end of my paragraph. She saves Lev because Owen also saved a scar. She takes more patrols because Owen takes more patrols. Mel even calls this out at one point, saying that she isn't saving the Scar because Abby wants to, but because she thinks it'll make her a better person, but deep down Mel believes she's a "piece of shit." Abby's character simply hasn't come to fruition as the foil. She is the direct antithesis to Ellie's grief, in that she is wrath and Ellie is denial. Both are barely finding acceptance in their grief towards the end, so neither have a complete arc. Which sets us up for Part 3. I dunno what you're on about for biases. It's literally how the characters were written.
@ThatFont
3 ай бұрын
@@AddictedApple Owen forced Mel’s hand at self-defence. Also, Abby’s story directly reflects Joel who wasn’t a good person until the first game convinced us he was. People just aren’t willing to look past that because they like Joel more for whatever reason.
@AddictedApple
3 ай бұрын
@@ThatFont No, the whole campaign reflects Joel. The entire game is about Ellie and Joel continuing their journey and working past their traumas together. Although he's not directly in it, Joel plays a huge role in the game in everyone's story. Everyone's. Tommy, Ellie, Abby, Owen, etc. Who he is, how he was as a father, and how he shaped the world is the entire point of the game. That's why you can hear dialogue of Joel throughout the game, despite him being dead. (Aside from him actually appearing in flashbacks) That is the whole point of all the flashbacks during pivotal story moments in the game. Each lesson Joel gives Ellie directly plays into the next part of the story. Ergo the whole reason Ellie even spared Abby. If this wasn't the case, nothing else would make sense in the game.
@ThatFont
3 ай бұрын
@@AddictedApple I think you need to revisit the game because you’re about 90% wrong. In your words, Abby seeks validation from others; that’s exactly what Joel does through Ellie. He doesn’t shape Tommy or Owen…There also is not “dialogue of Joel throughout the game” unless you count adopting Joel’s torture methods….and the flashbacks are of Joel dying, except the very end of the game. At least you’ve shown your bias and I can walk away from this conversation knowing you don’t know what you’re talking about.
@lightningmonky7674
4 ай бұрын
Well said!
@codyfluffy9519
8 күн бұрын
Whats the music called near the end of the video?
@TheBossFighterz
8 күн бұрын
@@codyfluffy9519 You can find in The Last of Us sad music compilation. Type that in search and it's towards the end of the video!
@codyfluffy9519
8 күн бұрын
Bruh dont just heart my comment gimme the damn name of the song 😭
@codyfluffy9519
7 күн бұрын
@@TheBossFighterz Thx :D
@onelove1627
2 ай бұрын
The greatest game of all time
@MaskedTear
5 ай бұрын
I do love the way the story is explained in this vid. There was a really strong concept for this game but the execution really made the community hate it. Maybe cut down the Abby sections and reframe certain scenes earlier/later and i think this game could’ve been a banger follow up to the first. As is, its only a solid game.
@MacJack-z4i
19 күн бұрын
The story in the second game is still bad and organized wrong, but there is a meaning, even if bad there was a better meaning that could’ve been told and you explained well with what you had
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