Want a really weird fun fact? From 2001 to 2019, the only 2 years the Patriots didn't win the AFC East was 2002 and 2008. In both of those seasons, the Division came down to a week 17 match-up between Brett Farve and Chad Pennington. A win from Brett would've given the Patriots the Division title, but both times, Chad Pennington prevailed over Farve to send his team to the playoffs.
@pigskin1287
Жыл бұрын
If I had a nickel for every time that happened, I’d have two nickels, which isn’t a lot but it’s weird that it happened twice.
@brodyblackwell8284
Жыл бұрын
lol right?@@pigskin1287
@jacobsims8307
Жыл бұрын
That is a fun fact.
@George_Fl0yd
Жыл бұрын
Wasn’t Brett Farve a packer in 2002?
@roshango125ab
Жыл бұрын
@@George_Fl0yd yes. The 2002 game was between the Packers and the Jets. The Patriots needed the Jets to lose to win the Division
@waldmanj
Жыл бұрын
Pretty cool that Pennington led the Jets and Dolphins to their most recent division titles!
@iiTsFaded_
Жыл бұрын
Before his shoulder exploded for the 900th time
@Love2Musgrave
Жыл бұрын
still mid
@UnicornOfDepression
Жыл бұрын
Pennington had a noodle-arm, but damn could he rally a team. He's up there with Marc Bulger as the most underrated QBs of the 00s/10s.
@Jstacksxxx
Жыл бұрын
@@Love2Musgrave”Jordan Love is gonna rub it in their face too believe that” 😭😭🤣
@LoganLS0
Жыл бұрын
Dude was a Chad.
@Need4Speed_91
Жыл бұрын
The last time the Cleveland Browns won a division title (Dec. 23, 1989): - National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation was the #1 movie - "Another Day in Paradise" by Phil Collins was the #1 song - The average cost of gas per gallon was literally $1 - The first ever episode of The Simpsons aired just six days prior - and Taylor Swift was just ten days old
@DEIONCARTER21
Жыл бұрын
and i think Michael Jordan still had hair.
@DPRyan-vd5pp
Жыл бұрын
The last time Dallas won the super bowl … I was 23 years old on my first ship in the Navy! Lol I’m 50 years old now!
@jahmeldickson
Жыл бұрын
I was literally born sic months earlier...im 34😂😂😂
@colorado3574
Жыл бұрын
Ussr still existed
@Need4Speed_91
Жыл бұрын
Now that you mentioned that, I forgot to also say that the Berlin Wall finally came down one month before this 😂
@jamesabernethy2759
Жыл бұрын
Like the Lions, the Browns also won only in the AFC central. They’ve never won the AFC “North”.
@anthonyslazas6413
Жыл бұрын
Not changing this year for either team.
@rf5390
Жыл бұрын
Man, that just isn't fair to those team's fans. I hope it changes soon and I hope it begins to happen often. I am from the Baltimore area but NOT a Ravens fan and I witness how spoiled these fans get to be while those other team's fans, like the Browns and Lions just have to keep suffering over and over and over. You would think the law of averages would eventually give everyone a fair amount of winning and a fair amount of losing, but unfortunately life just doesn't work that way.
@wattsinc.
Жыл бұрын
@@anthonyslazas6413we will see Lions are looking the best they ever have
@anthonyslazas6413
Жыл бұрын
@@wattsinc. Lmao
@wattsinc.
Жыл бұрын
@@anthonyslazas6413 hmm you could be absolutely right but at the same time be absolutely wrong. But I'm not wrong that are built better than last year we will see
@BaltimoreBazooka
Жыл бұрын
NFL Throwback back with another banger
@dannyf39437
Жыл бұрын
Fun fact, The Jaguars have won a division containing Cleveland, Cincinnati, and Pittsburgh more recently than the Browns
@nicholasselke5214
Жыл бұрын
So have the Titans. And the Oilers. I know, same franchise, but it shows how long it’s been
@danielhall2991
Жыл бұрын
We won division in 2020 so yeah that was three years ago
@fromthehaven94
Жыл бұрын
@@danielhall2991Both the Jaguars and Titans were AFC Central teams. Between those teams, they won that division 1998 through 2000.
@zachfreit2553
3 ай бұрын
Until this past season my favorite one was the buccaneers being more recent division champs than the lions😅😭 gpg
@freddyc1995
Жыл бұрын
I love how there have been no repeat winners in the NFC East since the early 2000’s 😅
@odkidastro23
Жыл бұрын
Shows you how entertaining the NFC East is, just chaos
@Phillygoat1983
Жыл бұрын
Yup GO BIRDS
@youngkeazy2806
Жыл бұрын
As a commanders fan I really expected them to show the 2012 rg3 rookie season. I have no idea how we won the division with a 7-9 record, I don’t even remember! Doesn’t even make sense.
@mariosnum1fan
Жыл бұрын
Cowboys own this division 😄
@ChiefBlue4298
Жыл бұрын
@@mariosnum1fanand yet they have no NFC Championship Game appearances since 95 😂
@Parker-time
Жыл бұрын
Why do you choose topics that always hurt the Lions? I drink away the pain when it happens, so that I don't have to remember it.
@pigskin1287
Жыл бұрын
Well it’s kinda hard to pick topics that don’t hurt the lions lol
@pigskin1287
Жыл бұрын
@codyhess4161 I mean if we're talking about the 50's lol.
@pigskin1287
Жыл бұрын
@codyhess4161 Well if we're talking about their entire history it's still pretty bad. 579-702 record all time with 0 super bowl wins or appearances and an unbelievably putrid one playoff win in the last 65 years. Also they won 3 championships in the 50's, not 4. The other one was in 1935.
@aceofpizza9932
Жыл бұрын
@codyhess4161They quite literally have the WORST history of any team
@yharnamsunrise9528
Жыл бұрын
The Houston Oilers (1991) have won the division more recently than the Cleveland Browns. (1989)
@MDestroyerX
Жыл бұрын
Everyone has the browns are the worst team in football overall and even when they don’t suck they are still pretty bad
@jaxonwoods8181
Жыл бұрын
Actually, the Oilers last title was 1993...which makes it even worse xD
@jacobsims8307
Жыл бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@someperson3883
Жыл бұрын
And the Titans won their division in 2000 and the Jaguars in 1999. Also the Buccaneers last won the NFC Central in 1999 more recently than the Lions, but I think that changes this year
@jeremywinters1797
Жыл бұрын
I was born in 89 😅
@GregzVR
Жыл бұрын
The Pats have quickly become irrelevant, after Tom Brady left.
@redheadredemption1573
Жыл бұрын
Weird not to mention that Cleveland has never won the AFC North. Their '89 division win was in the AFC Central
@danielhall2991
Жыл бұрын
Well they can’t beat The ravens and they dam sure can’t beat Pittsburg when it counts as long as they are in our division they will never win a division never ever . They are cursed
@INFERNO95
Жыл бұрын
It should be noted the brows had a chance to draft big Ben and could have prevented all this. They pass on him Pittsburgh took him and the rest is history.
@darthmalgus232
Жыл бұрын
@@INFERNO95The Browns would have ruined Ben.
@sheamusgrant
Жыл бұрын
if im sad about Miami not winning the division in a while i can just remember the browns
@mariosnum1fan
Жыл бұрын
Should’ve never won in it 2008 smfh
@sportsfan0803
Жыл бұрын
@@mariosnum1fanwell they did lol
@mariosnum1fan
Жыл бұрын
@@sportsfan0803 I know, I know. I hated it so much it should’ve been the pats or jets if they didn’t collapse
@Con-b6x
Жыл бұрын
@@mariosnum1fan should've been the bills from 1960-2022 winning everytime smh
@mariosnum1fan
Жыл бұрын
@@Con-b6x wym?
@newufl
Жыл бұрын
Should do every teams last wildcard and last 4th place division place
@danielhall2991
Жыл бұрын
That would be 2020 for us we did loose in the wild card lol 😂
@alexdavis4406
Жыл бұрын
NFL throwback is low-key the best new KZitem channel around. It’s a great way to remember classic games and also give a historical recap for new fans across the world. Whoever came up with this channel idea was a genius.
@Dr._J
Жыл бұрын
Well, ist not a new channel
@KravenTheHaunter
10 ай бұрын
Bruh, this channel is literally 7 years old.
@MatthewDoel32
Жыл бұрын
I see you decided to spare Falcons fans some pain in the description of the 2016 season. A noble and honorable choice.
@tyreepowell8367
Жыл бұрын
You Never Disappoint Me NFL Throwback Keep Up The Good Work
@jayNicks10
Жыл бұрын
When talking about the Lions last winning the division back in 1993, he needlessly points out that the Packers have won the division 15 of the last 29 seasons? Who the hell cares?
@pp3k3jamail
Жыл бұрын
💥💥Already knew that the last time Cleveland won the division was 1989 and Detroit was 1993 Every other team in nfl won the division within the last 22 years
@DavePainkiller
Жыл бұрын
Tampa won the North/Central more recently than Detroit. Always a fun fact.
@ErikCB912
Жыл бұрын
They also won 2 super bowls more recently than Detroit won their division.
@roshango125ab
Жыл бұрын
Technically, the Cleveland Browns have never won their division, because the the Browns that won the Central back in 1989 are now the Ravens
@interstate1335
Жыл бұрын
Yeah while you are technically right, the nfl considers both browns to be the same s.
@ProjectInsight44
Жыл бұрын
The current Browns own all of the old Browns history though. Art Modell left the Browns’ history in Cleveland when the team moved to Baltimore and became the Ravens.
@interstate1335
Жыл бұрын
@@ProjectInsight44 yeah, so technically if he stayed in Cleveland and got his new stadium, we might’ve had the 2x Super Bowl champ Browns?
@colinmerritt7645
Жыл бұрын
@@interstate1335 Yup.
@senorfish2503
Жыл бұрын
@@ProjectInsight44the old browns are the ravens. The current is 99 on.
@carlpacquing2575
Жыл бұрын
6:08 Chad Pennington finished 2nd in MVP voting in 2008 ... wait, what?!
@fultzworld4048
Жыл бұрын
Tied with Michael Turner, who should have won in my opinion. Also, Pennington was way better than people give him credit for
@tleoipl37
Жыл бұрын
The bucs won the nfc north / central more recently than the lions 😂
@ChiefBlue4298
Жыл бұрын
The 2020 Steelers collapsed big time to end the season 😂
@humblelad
Жыл бұрын
its the year of the Lion baby, best for last
@nicholasdupont2468
Жыл бұрын
Dem' Browns - Dem' poor Browns. Man that city deserves a winner.
@fromthehaven94
Жыл бұрын
The Cavaliers in 2016 don't count?
@nicholasdupont2468
Жыл бұрын
@fromthehaven94 oh yeah, the cavaliers, who was their qb? The Royals won the series in 2015 and the city still wanted nothing more than a Chiefs SB. Not all people are fans of all sports.
@fromthehaven94
Жыл бұрын
@@nicholasdupont2468 And not all people are ignorant like you, commenting about a city with multiple sports teams. And that city having gone decades without one of them winning a championship. Until the Cavs in 2016- hence, a "winner". In my mind, they can shut the hell up.
@colinmerritt7645
Жыл бұрын
1. Cleveland Browns (AFC Central, 1989) 2. Detroit Lions (NFC Central, 1993) 3T. Oakland/Las Vegas Raiders (2002) 3T. New York Jets (2002) Yep, that looks about right. "One night in Cleveland will make a sports fan crumble/not much between despair and ecstasy."
@daleprice1490
4 ай бұрын
And yet the jets have 6 more playoff wins this century than the dolphins wow.
@JonJacks
Жыл бұрын
Chad Pennington was a dog clearly. Underrated
@adhynugroho9424
Жыл бұрын
Dang. The NFL is really hard for some teams.
@mbdg6810
Жыл бұрын
The league has lots of parity.
@michaelvandeginste3497
11 ай бұрын
The Lions' 30-year division title drought explained via the top 5 reasons: 1) The Fords 2) Matt Millen 3) Brett Favre 4) Aaron Rodgers 5) Matt Patricia Honorable mention: The Refs
@BG4life13
Жыл бұрын
David Johnson was legendary that year.. wonder why he fell off so hard, great for two seasons then below average after..
@kingofpkf
Жыл бұрын
Injuries and lots of touches derailed him by taking all of his burst and agility similar to zeke now. Good power but noticeably slower for guys that needed the burst.
@tobiojo6469
Жыл бұрын
NFL throwback always delivers.
@michael7054
Жыл бұрын
Hard to believe Chad Pennington of all quarterbacks is on this list twice lol.
@UnicornOfDepression
Жыл бұрын
Just shows how underrated he was.
@michael7054
Жыл бұрын
@@UnicornOfDepression yeah definitely
@17thN.O
Жыл бұрын
Man Chad Pennington was really good, extremely accurate and won games. He never tried to do too much and played it how it goes.
@michael7054
Жыл бұрын
@@17thN.O yeah
@lucasgoncalves7774
Жыл бұрын
I mean, his name is literally Chad.
@jacobsims8307
Жыл бұрын
Wow in 1989 the first episode of the longest running sitcom in history aired, "the browns being a DAWG shit franchise." Or was it the simpsons?? 😂😂😂
@thenewjord50
Жыл бұрын
Can you document every teams last playoff wins before this season playoffs start
@jackluck2538
Жыл бұрын
Fun/sad Fact, the Tampa bay Buccaneers have won the Lions division more recently than the Lions. And they haven't been in the same division for over twenty years!
@traetolbert2508
Жыл бұрын
nice profile pic, glory to arstotzka!
@daleprice1490
4 ай бұрын
As a lions fan, it's okay now
@RScott413
Жыл бұрын
Patriots, Packers, Steelers, Seahawks, Chiefs, Eagles, Colts all own their divisions since realignment in 2002 with Patriots taking 16 titles in 22 years! Packers 12 and all the others have 9. All those teams have SB appearances in that time and at least 1 championship.
@21til85
Жыл бұрын
Best channel on KZitem.
@conordonnelly4290
Жыл бұрын
13:31I'm surprised that run isn't talked about more often.
@yeastarly4268
Жыл бұрын
Overshadowed by the panthers
@solid_salsa
Жыл бұрын
In AZ. Not allowed to get media coverage unless they're embarrassing themselves
@rayenewell
Жыл бұрын
2023 Lions winning the division this year Go Lions!!
@yeahitsme1401
Жыл бұрын
Oh my god I totally forgot Alex Smith played during the pandewski. Legend.
@OhyeahMrKrabz
Жыл бұрын
The pandewski?
@yeahitsme1401
Жыл бұрын
@@OhyeahMrKrabz yeah you remember the pandy, the pandewski, the pandemic
@OhyeahMrKrabz
Жыл бұрын
@@yeahitsme1401 Nobody calls it that
@yeahitsme1401
Жыл бұрын
@OhyeahMrKrabz nobody YOU know calls it that. They're out there, man.
@OhyeahMrKrabz
Жыл бұрын
@@yeahitsme1401 Nobody ever calls it that and thats a surname
@edwinescobar626
Жыл бұрын
As a Bucs fan thank god God for Tom Brady
@mjjoe76
Жыл бұрын
For the Browns and Lions, it has been so long the division titles were for the _Central_ rather than the North.
@LamarBragg
Жыл бұрын
The wildcat had the league shook
@pigskin_spinner
Жыл бұрын
Can we get a video on the last time every team has finished last in their divisions?
@danielhall2991
Жыл бұрын
That was like 19690r 1968 we was horrid or something like that it was before we had that great team in the 1970’s
@anthonyslazas6413
Жыл бұрын
Nothing changing this year for Detroit!!🤣🤣🤣
@daleprice1490
4 ай бұрын
This aged perfectly😁
@TheAlfrulz
Жыл бұрын
Remember when the Browns last won a division title? Yeah, even Pepperidge Farm doesn't remember.
@albertmotbey1128
Жыл бұрын
The Chargers offence and defence were better in 2010 and they didn't even make the playoffs then
@tjdmt297
Жыл бұрын
13:32 some sorry ass defense
@Anon-zl4ne
Жыл бұрын
Today there are people over 50 who were in grade school when the Browns last won the division.
@reedr7142
Жыл бұрын
As much as I want to agree with that, I can’t, unless it depends on your definition of Grade School. In my area, that’s usually K-6. By that math, even a 12-year-old 6th grader would only be 46. A kid who failed twice in grade school would still be shy of 50.
@jacobit2211
10 ай бұрын
5:36 felt like a very paused moment
@GlobalWarmingSkeptic
Жыл бұрын
If you want to get technical, the Browns have never won the division, as the current iteration was, regardless of the rewriting of history, an expansion team.
@jackpackage287
Жыл бұрын
Wow.. Dallas had the number 1 defense and offense and still lost in the divisional round, YIKES..
@ronaldredmond3308
10 ай бұрын
The Raiders last AFC West Division Title was in 2002 and they have had ONLY 2 winning seasons since then.
@MrCrunch808
10 ай бұрын
Detroit is probably gonna win the division title this year if they don't fuck it up and the viking lose a few more games.
@kben101
Жыл бұрын
Any Seahawk highlights from back then is Russell Wilson
@stradify1
Жыл бұрын
Seeing the empty stadiums from the 2020 footage is so eerie now
@tristinwhitlock752
11 ай бұрын
Detroit lions last playoff win 1991 in 32 years ago
@gmailcom384
9 ай бұрын
@tristanwhitlock: Detroit Lions will win a playoff game this year,watch!
@ThingSomeRandom
9 ай бұрын
Lions breaking the streak this year most likely, same with the dolphins
@Gic424_YT
9 ай бұрын
I just realized that this is the guy who does the previews for the games…
@stevengrvp
Жыл бұрын
Lions since 93 wow browns 89
@SplitHeads
Жыл бұрын
The browns were founded in 1999, they have never won a division title
@MarvelKnight1995
9 ай бұрын
Detroit's about to join the 2020's ironically lmao
@tiddiesattic
Жыл бұрын
Jags need their 90's uniforms back
@shafyethossain8220
9 ай бұрын
Lions are the First ever NFC North champions. Go Lions.
@rorymcneely324
Жыл бұрын
As a 49ers fan watch us win the NFC west and still lose on the nfc championship game, but hopefully this year we can end our Super Bowl drought and add Super Bowl number 6
@justinsundstrom8976
Жыл бұрын
That's what us Chargers fans thought in 2010, but instead of hoping to win another Superbowl, we pray we even make it there lol (or even praying we could even make it to the Championship. I'm surprised that we even made the Championship in 2019)
@daleprice1490
4 ай бұрын
*[insert sad trumpet sound here]*
@joshuamcclellan4942
Жыл бұрын
Just call them who they are. The Redskins
@Ausin204
Жыл бұрын
you guys are like a legend
@Ben-bw9hf
Жыл бұрын
How is that a touchdown at 7:13? Am i missing something? was it overturned?
@MJ521_
Жыл бұрын
He got a knee in bounds. 1 knee = 2 feet
@CrazeReactsOfficial
Жыл бұрын
Titans fixing to surprise NFL
@kevinuchiha6830
Жыл бұрын
Saints winning the nfc south
@dbs-zz7lq
Жыл бұрын
Bro i believe Tennessee and Jacksonville have a AFC North title but the Browns still nothing 😂😂😂
@fromthehaven94
Жыл бұрын
Central Division, let's leave it at that.
@TanakaSigauke
Жыл бұрын
Browns the type if team to win every game and then lose by dialing a punt on 3rd and short
@youngkeazy2806
Жыл бұрын
The commanders won the nfc east with a 7-9 record what! How do you win division with a loosing record.
@melvinshine9841
Жыл бұрын
You must not remember, the NFC East was a dumpster fire in 2020. I don't think anybody in the division was above .500 until week 11 or something.
@matthewcrispinwordofGod
Жыл бұрын
I remember that year. The division was so trash that pretty much anyone could win it. Once Dak Prescott went out for the entire season with an injury, the East was pretty much open for grabs. In fact, the Giants almost made the playoffs that year, and they went 6-10.
@WoahLookAtThatFreak
Жыл бұрын
It's happened multiple times throughout NFL history, man. Lol. It's nothing unheard of. The Buccaneers did it just this past season, as well.
@chicosworld
Жыл бұрын
The Seahawks won with a losing record the year they played my bears the year we went to the Superbowl
@larryinNH
Жыл бұрын
It’s really pathetic because they were rewarded hone field in the playoffs. That’s the one thing I wish the NFL would eliminate. The team with the better record should get home field .
@patrickstovall2262
Жыл бұрын
The chiefs are the most dominant team around. Let's be honest, as long as Mahomes wears a Chiefs uniform and can play, no one else is gonna win the AFC West
@NewHaven203
11 ай бұрын
The Lions and the Browns have the most loyal fans in NFL history! 2 struggling teams that have gotten better but still can’t make it to the Superbowl. Hopefully Detroit makes it this year
@callmepbzz8081
Жыл бұрын
What’s sad is technically speaking the 1989 browns are actually the ravens and so the current iteration of the browns has literally never won their division
@nicky6productions
9 ай бұрын
THE LIONS ARE NOW 2023
@michaelhession2105
Жыл бұрын
East: Bills North: Ravens South: Jaguars West: Chiefs East: Eagles North: Packers South: Falcons West: 49ers Let me guess, controversy is coming.
@mariosnum1fan
Жыл бұрын
Well yes because you knew exactly what you were doing😂
@jacobsims8307
Жыл бұрын
I think NOLA beats the falcons, otherwise I could see it!!
@blakecallahan1134
Жыл бұрын
Falcons is the only controversial to me
@gmailcom384
9 ай бұрын
Packers,please,they don't have Aaron Rodgers no more !
@michaelhession2105
9 ай бұрын
@@gmailcom384 That I was wrong about. I thought the Lions would be good, but not this good.
@starry53
Жыл бұрын
Interesting Info about those Division WInners. But we will who will win their divisions this 2023 Season. Let's Find Out.
@user-nl8em6sy6e
Жыл бұрын
poor raiders lions jets and browns! They are due lmao
@carlosrojas1758
Жыл бұрын
30 teams win the division from 2000 to 2022. The only 2 teams don't was Lions and Browns.
@shauncameron8390
Жыл бұрын
With the Lions being the only team that have yet to win a playoff game in the 21st century.
@gmailcom384
10 ай бұрын
@@shauncameron: the refs had a hand in 3. of the playoff losses the Lions::2-Green Bay,1-In Dallas,
@armandoalvarenga3012
Жыл бұрын
They should do the last time every team was the first seed 👀
@graciaman
Жыл бұрын
Love that this video says Philly and SF had the best scoring defense in 2022. Did they tie, statistically?
@petergray2712
Жыл бұрын
No. Should be SF. Where they (almost) tied was in yards permitted per game by defense: SF was first, and Philly second, with a 0.9 yard difference between them.
@curtisjoseph
Жыл бұрын
If we're going by the REAL Cleveland Browns history: Original Browns last won in 2019. Expansion Browns have never won it.
@chimericalical
Жыл бұрын
Just pointing out: the browns have NEVER won their division. The Ravens have won their division numerous times, including back in 1989 when they were called the browns.
@ExxylcrothEagle
Жыл бұрын
Al Michaels and Roger Craig traded Steve Young to get me on. The 3rd team defense..... juss sayen
@DPRyan-vd5pp
Жыл бұрын
1989 Browns and 1993 Lions, last time they won their division …proof that having the first NFL draft picks doesn’t mean sh**!! Lol
@matttheratt
Жыл бұрын
FGB
@kingofgames0304PSN
Жыл бұрын
That picture is not from 1989. Stop with the fake thumbnail
@JahNuhThunDeeTheOneAndOnly
Жыл бұрын
The crazy thing is that the Lions and Browns could break their division title droughts this year!
@daleprice1490
4 ай бұрын
only the lions, but the browns might in a few years!
@TopRanky
Жыл бұрын
Hey it’s the nfl predictions guy
@ChiefCedricJohnson
Жыл бұрын
1 Thessalonians 5:17 Pray without ceasing.
@aceq361
Жыл бұрын
9:02 WHAT WAS THAT? 😂😂😂 can anyone tell me what he really said? Not what he meant to say.
@Vuntrell
Жыл бұрын
2 dogs 8 fish Two Cats One Bird 3 turtles
@RScott413
Жыл бұрын
How about the Seahawks winning a division in each conference within a 5 year period?
@SleepNeed
Жыл бұрын
Today I learned I am younger than the last time the Browns won their division.
@eatngobstoppers215
Жыл бұрын
its interesting how often Chad Pennington was mentioned in this video.... Hmmm.
@Rizzy_K
Жыл бұрын
God my Lions are such a joke, along with the Browns
@NewHaven203
11 ай бұрын
In recent years the 49ers and Chiefs are the most consistently good teams in the NFL
@ieatcarsyum8248
9 ай бұрын
Who’s here after the lions have finally won the nfc north in 2023?
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