In games like Valorant and CSGO it would also be interesting to see the 0.1% lows. I noticed that when games stutter, sometimes the eye can notice it, but it's too short to be reflected in 1%, but the 0.1% catches it.
@reinulf656
7 ай бұрын
Exactly! The 0,1 Percent really makes a difference. It's always the situations where most things happen and that decide whether you win or lose.
@_APV_
7 ай бұрын
@@reinulf656 Haha, that reminds me that I never was able to find a conclusive answer about what exact hardware is needed for 2k 240hz FPS gaming to have it completely smooth (basically 0.1% of over 240 fps). Did some quick maths to make sure that my 0.1% is correct: a noticeable micro-stutter (or a FPS drop in general) that lasts one third of a second can happen once every 6 minutes of your gameplay for the 1% low to ignore it. 10 micro stutters per hour might not be too much for some, but I think even if they don't happen in important moments, they still might annoy you and throw you off.
@Howlsowls
6 ай бұрын
@@_APV_ exactly thats what matter most in competitive titles, even Warzone has terrible 0.1 lows with decent 1% and completly ruins gameplay
@Frozoken
6 ай бұрын
@@_APV_ You're gonna need how to learn to manually tune your ram's subtimings to have a chance of that. Ram latency tuning overwhelming and significantly increasingly benefits the slowest % frames, ie 5% lows a lot, 1% lows by even more and 0,1% by the most. It is by far the biggest practical benefit you get from overclocking any current gen part.
@_APV_
6 ай бұрын
@@Frozoken Cool, never heard of that phenomena, thanks for sharing. You mean even OC on CPU and GPU will improve 0.1% lows more than it will the average? Will play with that when I finally build myself a PC.
@ivovass195
Жыл бұрын
Very interesting indeed, haven't seen similar analysis elsewhere and it's great it includes older hardware that in reality is what the majority of us are still using. Impressive how, the now old, 5800X3D keeps up. Great work, keep it up
@ugur3527
Жыл бұрын
LTT recently did similar "pay to win (low latency) pc vs budget pc" video but it was actually bad video. Only Linus played games but he didn't focused at all and tried to make fun rather than analyzing.
@griffin1366
Жыл бұрын
@@ugur3527 I wouldn't take anything Linus says or does seriously.
@balazsdusek
Жыл бұрын
@@griffin1366 for real in his recent sony 1000xm5 headphones review he straight up didn't read the instructuins and then complained that the features didn't activate for his incorrect inputs
@Haunteral
Жыл бұрын
i think his MW2 numbers are wrong, or at the very least misleading. the 7xxx3d chips are showing 30% faster than the 5800x3d in actual gameplay in mw2 competitive settings.
@cantti
Жыл бұрын
"now old".... dude, it's just about 10 months old.💀
@georgioszampoukis1966
Жыл бұрын
Not entirely related to the content of the video but your graphs & visualizations have become among the cleanest and most elegant out of almost all other similar YT channels. Very clean and beautiful to look at, impressive work!
@chapunie
Жыл бұрын
Would be nice to also test the newer OLEDs to verify the input lag claims and compare it to higher refresh rate monitors
@lilpain1997
Жыл бұрын
Pretty sure it's a load of bs. I saw someone say they measured the lag and got like 3ms and said it was terrible and he could feel it... No human is noticing that
@Nutstache
Жыл бұрын
Those claims of 0.03ms isn't input lag btw if that's what you're referring to it's just basically how fast the pixels can change colour, massively reducing ghosting and motion blur.
@griffin1366
Жыл бұрын
The monitors aren't as accurate as LDAT / other tools but are within margin of error.
@AzumDzumHzumS
Жыл бұрын
The Main issued is that you can have 40ms Input lag Difference by switching the GPU, If you Go from LCD tonoped you might save 5 to 10 at max
@andrebrait
Жыл бұрын
Hardware Unboxed does test that and the claims are, of course, accurate (on the same refresh rate), but going from 2ms input lag to 0.3ms isn't really something you can feel.
@jon880215
Жыл бұрын
We can thank youtuber battlenonsense for the Nvidia reflex feature, it was him whom found the added latency when the GPU is at 100% and he also let Nvidia know about it.
@griffin1366
Жыл бұрын
He didn't find it, he just had enough pull that NVIDIA actually acknowledged him.
@nulled9863
Жыл бұрын
Personally noticed this back in 2014 when I first built and got into pc gaming. Even made multiple forum threads about it, and according to most of the "experts" on there, it was something that was not supposed to happen.
@akfdglkjadfgjl
5 ай бұрын
My team knew everything about framebuffers / prerender-limit / flipqueue-size around 2005. We kept it silent.
@C0BEX
Жыл бұрын
One thing I would like to see, that is missing here, is what would happen to your latency if you CAP your FPS slightly below your 1% lows.
@user-jh1ov8cc7m
Жыл бұрын
I am still learning and would like to know more. Why would you do this? What do you think the results would be?
@DeadlyRedRing
Жыл бұрын
Similar results to reflex, but marginally more latency because of capped fps. But it would be more consistent
@canersahin
Жыл бұрын
I am glad someone else mentioned this.
@ghoulbuster1
Жыл бұрын
Capping fps to slightly less of average gives you the lowest input lag.
@NarekAvetisyan
Жыл бұрын
I was wondering this too.
@nyftn
Жыл бұрын
having the lowest latency possible is so immersive in simracing it's underrated . at 360km/h every 10ms of lag is 1 meter . great video
@turtle_fps
Жыл бұрын
Autistic take
@nyftn
Жыл бұрын
@@turtle_fps 😁
@winnb4968
Жыл бұрын
Get an OLED the 240Hz from Asus at 1440P 27" have 0.03 m/s against IPS that is 1.00 m/s.
@swecreations
Жыл бұрын
@@winnb4968 Lmao that's just marketing. That 240hz Asus will be closer to 4-6ms and the OLED will be below 1ms, somewhere between 0.15-0.5ms.
@nyftn
Жыл бұрын
@@winnb4968 that's not the input lag . but when i'm uppgrading my screen setup i am thinking about 48 or 55 inch oled tv's . they are 0,1ms GTG
@dakrawnik4208
Жыл бұрын
For the record, ULL is disabled when Reflex is enabled in any given title. In case you were thinking they worked together. He kind of made it look that way for some reason.
@optimumtech
Жыл бұрын
Aware, just a good idea to have them both enabled when the game doesn’t support reflex 👍
@PerfectFitGE8
Жыл бұрын
@@optimumtech What would you say is the fastest ram for the 5800x3D?
@ayyorta
Жыл бұрын
@@PerfectFitGE8 I have one. I think they run up to about 3800MHz. My kit is 3600MHz, which worked fine until I started using 4 dimms and had stability issues so now I run it at 3400Mhz. RAM speed doesn't matter so much on x3d because of the extra cache, anything above 3000 should be fine i think :)
@B3TR0Z
Жыл бұрын
@@PerfectFitGE8 The G.Skill F4-4000C14D-32GTZN or the cheaper 3600C14 version of it. Set Infinity Fabric and RAM 1:1 to 3733
@gucky4717
Жыл бұрын
@@PerfectFitGE8 3600CL14 or 3200CL14/3600CL16 are the best kits. Remember to set the infinityfabric to half of the MT/s of the kit.
@abigaylnutini3985
Жыл бұрын
I think it'd be very interesting if the data was normalized for framerate... maybe capping the fps in game, or doing math with the data, after the fact.
@Touma134
11 ай бұрын
Yeah it's pretty much just seeing the effect framerate has on the input lag which makes using all these different gpu kinda useless outside of looking pretty on a chart.
@kiiturii
9 ай бұрын
@@Touma134 it's for comparison with commonly used gpu's. If it just showed "this how the 4090 and 7950 xtx perform" then that wouldn't mean anything to 99% of people because there is no reference point.
@mabbook
Жыл бұрын
nice video, though one test which I think would be interesting is to limit the FPS of the 4090 and 7900XTX to the same frame rate (as high as the lowest one can produce) and see how the frame times are.
@marcnhunter
Жыл бұрын
He could but it would be pointless for real world statistics. Nobody is going to willingly limit the amount of FPS they can get when they're spending thousands on the hardware. Would be cool to compare but ultimately useless
@Tethgar98
Жыл бұрын
@@marcnhunter I limit my FPS for games like Overwatch and CSGO to 162 or so FPS so my GPU isn't needlessly wasting energy. Runnning 600fps is pointless. Also capping your FPS reduces input lag. Frame capping eliminates the render queue being sent to the GPU. Capping to your refresh rate minus 3-5fps + G-Sync is the best for latency. Consistent latency = better muscle memory and aim tracking.
@LazzaroTV
6 ай бұрын
Funny how I willingly limit the amount of FPS I can get while spending thousands on hardware so that I have competitive consistency in my latency@@marcnhunter
@MangoTalksTech
Жыл бұрын
Really dope exploration into latency, loved the b roll 🔥
@lepari9986
Жыл бұрын
Me with 650 ms reaction time: I must get these and I'll dominate.
@rENEGADE666JEDI
Жыл бұрын
Add 3 beers to this. Turn on ranked game in Counter Strike and annoy everyone that they have an aimbot :D
@griffin1366
Жыл бұрын
650ms? Are you in your 80's?
@KontrolStyle
Жыл бұрын
I"m slowish, and i get around 280, you must be lower than 650 -- maybe if you're counting ping too -- which would make sense!~
@Republic3D
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video! It's fun to see the 5800X3D still kicking ass and taking names with the next generation X3D chips.
@staybreathing9049
Жыл бұрын
You got all of these specs and your internet is 1000 ms ping 😑
@rubenel7993
Ай бұрын
and the 20ms player calls you a hacker...
@daqtheduck6296
Ай бұрын
Then use ethernet
@noisY545
Ай бұрын
@@daqtheduck6296 stfu that dosnt always work😂
@M1szS
Ай бұрын
@@daqtheduck6296 ethernet won't do shit if you are far from the server
@𪜊
Ай бұрын
@@noisY545 doesn't*
@herobrinenuno
Жыл бұрын
Would love to have an analisys on the RAM aswell when it comes to ram speed AND latency for example ddr4 with cl15 vs ddr5 with cl36
@muSPKwow
Жыл бұрын
And 7200 RAM speed and beyond for intel.
@puffyips
6 ай бұрын
Not much of a difference at all tbh
@yoked391
Жыл бұрын
This test but everything on low and all the GPUs capped to like 144fps would be interesting
@TyMac711
Жыл бұрын
Would be interesting to see any network latency tuning that helps. Disable RSS benchmarks... etc
@Wolt87
Жыл бұрын
So the highest end components deliver the best results. Mindblowing
@MrDutch1e
Жыл бұрын
Point was to see if there was any difference between AMD and Nvidia and AMD and Intel. Everyone knows the higher the fps the lower the latency.
@schabigerlump
Жыл бұрын
And now pair it with true esport screen, not 1440p but 1080p, either zowie XL2566K or new 480/500Hz screens, set the games to CO MPETITIVE settings (half low details for highest fps, disabled effects for competitive advantage, enabled only effects giving you an advantage), and you will see that then any mid range GPU is enough and CPU/RAM/display matter more. The GPU latency is simple, whenever the GPU render queue is full from more than 90 percent, the input lag skyrockets. So reducing details and resolution results in huge savings on gpu, which are now ridiculously expensive. Also most esports are CPU limited and not GPU limited, csgo, league of legends, dota, partially fortnite, rainbow six, pubg, they are all CPU bottlenecked (some only at the recommended competitive settings, some at all settings) and GPU doesnt help much unless you have some really garbo level GPU. Im playing these games at budget 280hz Asus vg249qm and im planning to only upgrade my CPU in next months if the (not) coming source 2 update doesnt bring me more fps in some maps in csgo which is my CPU struggling with to deliver 280 stable minimal fps. Btw you didnt try to lock fps at some sensible amount, this does miracles with GPU latency as the render queue is never spammed with infinite frame requests.
@youspilledthis
Жыл бұрын
Doesn't Reflex for Nvidia and Anti-lag for AMD's make the fps cap obsolete? I'm pretty sure that's what he's saying, and has presented as well in earlier videos on input lag.
@ZuckerbergDaReptilian
Жыл бұрын
Damn, even then 1080p is too high lol. I mean....look at the res csgo players play at!
@gurhankaya
Жыл бұрын
This
@joeroganpodfantasy42
5 ай бұрын
We need 1080p benchmarks
@pieruapina
Жыл бұрын
this shouldve included RAM optimization and how does different ram speeds with overlocks affect PC latency! The only thing I was wanting to see in this video
@somewhatfrog
Жыл бұрын
Many motherboards support PBO for 5800X3D since the latest bios update, would be great if you include results with it next time.
@ok.1590
Жыл бұрын
Just add 2-3% and there you have results w CO. No need to work people to death for some every irrelevent, miniscule detail you can think of. (If your still in doubt i have the 5800X3d myself and can confirm, CO does help keep the chip at locked 4.45ghz (max) instead of the usual 4.1-4.2ghz, in gaming that translates to just small, miniscule gains of less than 5%)
@DragonOfTheMortalKombat
Жыл бұрын
@@ok.1590 Tried BCLK OC? Might get like 3-4% more.
@charliek9394
Жыл бұрын
Yes! Exactly what i did on my B550-E gaming
@somewhatfrog
Жыл бұрын
@@ok.1590 I think he is having fun gathering all this data.
@gucky4717
Жыл бұрын
Mine does not, but i was able to use the PBOTuner2 with CO -30 and it is working flawlessly after was able to enable the automation of the exe via the scheduler.
@Oldschoolgamerdad
Жыл бұрын
Awesome video. Would be great if you could include some 1080p low settings results also in the future (Ow2!) :)
@joeroganpodfantasy42
5 ай бұрын
True
@TRIGRD-to9yy
Жыл бұрын
The power consumption of the 7900 xtx is less than the 4090 btw
@JesusEveryFeckinHandleisTaken
Жыл бұрын
So i never comment videos, but here's my first exception. Really enjoy your stuff, well put together and explained. On this vid, I would have liked to know what OS you ran the tests on, as there was some issues with utilizing e-cores and CPU scheduling with Win11, that perhaps have been resolved by now? But more importantly, I feel like the other half of the latency story is frame consistency(frame pacing/timing) and the annoying stuttering it can produce. Would have loved to see something about frametime observations between these hardware combinations as well, even if its just "combinations make zero difference". But thanks for the content, and keep up the good work!
@mikeykakakaway
Жыл бұрын
I love these tests! Would it be possible to check 1080p gaming with games on Low/Esports settings to see how input lag is affected at very high framerates and gpu % usage?
@thetranya3589
Жыл бұрын
Yes it is possible. Go ahead and do it yourself.
@technologicalelite8076
Жыл бұрын
@@thetranya3589 Bruh, you expect us to have these GPU's to test?
@ghettochicken8420
Жыл бұрын
@@thetranya3589 🤡
@joeroganpodfantasy42
5 ай бұрын
Yeah we need the 1080p tests
@OhKyro
8 ай бұрын
Would be nice to do a comparision with a frame rate cap. This basically just shows that more FPS gives less latency which is fair. But are there differences if we're capped to for ex. 225fps in apex?
@HardwareFRA
Жыл бұрын
Nice video as always ! Thank you !
@xinlu-pr4ty
Жыл бұрын
Man I’ve been waiting for your water cooled 4090 formd t1 build. Can’t wait to see that.
@joeroganpodfantasy42
5 ай бұрын
Yeah we need the 1080p tests
@Zygmunator
Жыл бұрын
Interesting with this different take on performance.
@jelipebands1700
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for measuring input latency on esport games I get tired of seeing bigger bar better when it’s 100’s of fps. Input lag and 1% lows are the two most important metrics when talking esport gaming
@towb0at
Жыл бұрын
You should build the lowest latency overall system (with mouse keyboard and monitor) and compare to your current system
@Its_Koala
Жыл бұрын
Pretty sure that his current setup of Wooting and M2K is already the lowest latency m+k setup out there.
@christopherdelacruz9728
Жыл бұрын
Considering the people who care the MOST about input lag play at low to medium settings at 1080p (competitive settings) Id like to see these benchmarks at low to medium as well, see how much difference that would make And even power consumption, since that can affect psu and cooling choices
@EposVox
Жыл бұрын
Great data!
@Mr.Sirb0si
Жыл бұрын
I can't imagine those latency's are really that bad! In audio recording I would consider everything above 8ms pretty much unplayable. Or at least affecting the performance. When I play guitar with these latency's I feel something is off, it just doesn't feel right. This really surprises me. 😅
@iikatinggangsengii2471
Жыл бұрын
yes, think with creative xtreme music back then i can play below 5, yeah true like skipping beats, back then i record at like 512 lul it was laptops onboard soundcard
@coldyan
Жыл бұрын
Optimum, you do measuring of performances that no one else does and you are one of the only pro gamer youtubers that is enough into tech to put the effort in of this level. Insanity. Love your content, dedication and minimalist style.
@xiuchuandong6482
Жыл бұрын
Didn't know about enabling low latency mode, thanks!
@griffin1366
Жыл бұрын
For games that don't support NVIDIA's reflex + boost, and if you are GPU-bound.
@Doge-pk6hv
Жыл бұрын
One thing I’m a bit confused is that if it’s the newer architecture or higher framerate newer cpus & gpus have that causes lower input lag. For instance, if the 1060 and the 3090ti were capped at the same fps, (say 60), would the 3090ti still have lower input latency? If it doesn’t, you could argue that lowering all settings and playing at the lowest resolution possible should decrease input latency, and switching hardwares, or even comparing hardwares, is not necessary, if frame rate is the main factor.
@filipebeat
Жыл бұрын
most underrated thang! it makes me mad how much peepoo overlook ds
@StalwartMan
Жыл бұрын
Another great review, but the comparisons and results are excellent, I also appreciate your efforts, thank you 🥳👋
@papalazarou7880
7 ай бұрын
I’ve got the Ryzen 7 5800X and Radeon 7900XTX for 4K, Xbox Elite Controller 2 plugged in USB and a 120Hz LG Nanocell TV. Going to get a 165hz+ 1440p monitor at the end of this year.
@thaNZdon
Жыл бұрын
Instead of running the Intel at 6000mhz you could easily push that closer to 8000 cl36 ish or ddr4 bdie 4200 cl16 which gets you far better cpu latency.
@griffin1366
Жыл бұрын
Yeah the higher RAM speeds is always the elephant in the room. Most people just use XMP though so I *guess* it's satisfactory.
@tommyboi4872
Жыл бұрын
Watching all these 7950x3d vids has convinced me the 7800x3d is gonna be goated 🐐
@JeVader187
Жыл бұрын
With process lasso u can let the game run on the vcash while running the background tasks on the other ccd for optimal perfomance for the 7950x3d huge difference
@soulshinobi
Жыл бұрын
Hard-hitting, critical information that no one else is covering. Superb.
@emrsrt2043
Жыл бұрын
Very informing. Thank you!
@Txrje
Жыл бұрын
Incredible content, love seeing testing surrounding esports titles that frankly no one else is doing, at least at remotely this kind of quality and thoroughness!
@AJDOLDCHANNELARCHIVE
20 күн бұрын
Always great videos from you. I'd be interested in seeing a similar look into the lowest DPC latency system possible... conventionally Nvidia GPUs cause massive DPC latency due to their cache scrubbing system, and AMD with the chiplets were known for high DPC latency, but I haven't looked into how that matches up to the more modern Intel P/E-core chips since Alder Lake.... It's incredibly important for audio production, but I also hear major DPC audio dropouts (cracks and pops) from people livestreaming on KZitem (Tom from Moore's Law is Dead for instance), and people seemingly don't understand what DPC latency is and why they're getting crackling audio. Cheers from once great Britain!
@AJDOLDCHANNELARCHIVE
20 күн бұрын
SCAN Pro Audio (a shop that sells PC parts like an eBuyer but also sell audio stuff) here in the UK seem to be the only people to have looked into this with any "scientific vigour", using things such as DAWBench etc...
@aaronv3859
Жыл бұрын
big company for sure keeping an eye out on him
@operator8380
Жыл бұрын
Subscribed. Top tier content creation . Thank you!
@Maebbie
7 ай бұрын
In this video, the speaker discusses the factors that contribute to the lowest input lag gaming system possible and provides recommendations for hardware choices. They emphasize that the most impactful portion of PC latency is the GPU, followed by the CPU, and then memory. The speaker recommends the AMD Ryzen 7950x3D with curve Optimizer enabled or CCD2 disabled, the RTX 4090 with low latency mode or reflex, and a high-speed dual rank DDR5 kit with tuned sub-timings for the fastest, lowest latency combination of hardware. They also mention that swapping the 7950x3D with a 5800x3D or a 13600k will get you within a millisecond or two most of the time and save a significant amount of money.
@akfdglkjadfgjl
5 ай бұрын
It makes more sense to set all settings to low. I see you tested some games on medium / high settings. Competitive gamers who care about input latency will always put every on low and play at 1080p or lower, and therefor are mostly CPU limited. They will rarely are almost never GPU limited like in your tests.
@cheater00
Жыл бұрын
wonderful work dude, thanks so much!
@plalvor
Жыл бұрын
typo in timestamps, recommendations. brilliant video as always
@dyuhln
Жыл бұрын
im interested in why you dont test everything on lowest settings? in an environment where all were interested in is latency / frames, why use medium / high settings? especially for esports titles, i e overwatch. i and most others who care about latency in esports titles are using pretty much the lowest of lows, so i feel like it would only make more sense
@hadoukenocx4746
Жыл бұрын
oh lol i did that for ages its always intel and nvidia thos two are working great and the architecture from the two are build that way that the inpt lag are the shortest you can have.
@e51btrei
Жыл бұрын
Again, the true victory goes to the 5800X3D. 🤩 Keeping my fingers crossed to find this beauty on sale…
@iikatinggangsengii2471
Жыл бұрын
very good successor of 5600x, actually 7600x too but 58x3d is more certain/guaranteed in quality (+2 cores too)
@abraham9301
Жыл бұрын
it's technically on sale if you want to find it under 300 I don't think that will happen anytime soon I would say just get it the earlier the better before it's too late or out of stock.
@Xhaosification
Жыл бұрын
Great video. Can you summarize your ram timings for Ryzen?
@HexlGaming
Жыл бұрын
3:05 unexpected how the 4090 almost cuts whole system latency in half while only going from 543 to 581fps.. 🤯
@kostistsiutras4373
6 ай бұрын
as i am pressing play i have a really good feeling about my undervolted -30% all cores on pbo2tuner 5800x3D on a tomahawk 550, Gskill 3800Hz DDR4 Bdie kit 14-14-14-36, undervolted Gigabyte Rtx 4090 Gaming Oc, and fast peripherals Wooting 60 HE etc on an Alienware 27'' aw2723df 280hz 1440p on extreme overdrive with no overshoot, all system feels snappy af :)
@LifeIsButaBluff
Жыл бұрын
At my age all the latency is sat in front of the pc ;-)
@griffin1366
Жыл бұрын
Are you in your late 60's ?
@FateShape
Жыл бұрын
I'd like to see the 4090 on 1440p vs 3090 at 1080p. Of course the faster the gpu, the faster your game will render, but if for competitive reasons and we want the lowest possible latency without sacrificing as much detail as possible, would the 3090 at 1080p beat the 4090 at 1440?
@joeroganpodfantasy42
5 ай бұрын
True we need low settings in valorant and messing with maybe fps caps to see the difference
@tonyc1956
Жыл бұрын
Nice job. Excellent synopsis. thumbs up
@gustavoalmeida1579
Жыл бұрын
In the 4090 vs 7900XTX test, was reflex enabled on the 4090?
@timothyreed7709
Жыл бұрын
These graphs are great and very easy to understand, what software are you using?
@DaddySizeIt
6 ай бұрын
I don't enable NULL or change anything in NVCP because I've seen it do weird stuff with some game engines. It's always better to use in-game settings in my experience. What I do is either use Reflex, and if not available I cap my FPS under my max refresh rate if Reflex isn't available. There's no problem because any game that matters to me competitively supports Reflex. For me that's Valorant, but OW2 supports it too. League I just use the in-game cap, 240FPS on 360Hz with GSync. And Nvidia says to use exclusive fullscreen mode, but I've found that varies game to game. For example in Valorant borderless fullscreen is the same at this point. I use fullscreen in LoL because that game engine seems neglected compared to the OW2s/Vals/CSs of the world and I suspect input lag is lowered.
@himbary
Жыл бұрын
I love how you always surprise me with interesting videos that I didn’t know I wanted.
@MrDvneil
Жыл бұрын
you nailed it, i'm a huge experienced computer user, and i never activated reflex or other tricky things just because we can't measure the impact and you never know if you made it worse than "native". imagine 99% of the people, they directly don't even know what was that.
@bren4973
Жыл бұрын
What is your primary monitor for gaming?
@96kylar
Жыл бұрын
Gawd,…. The x3d not helping in COD hurts. I was going to buy that asap. Bummer. Guess I’ll keep the 7950x. Edit- Also,.. dig your vids. Like the way you think boss.
@nimushbimush2103
Жыл бұрын
I love these testing videos. Its something that I would do. Thanks for making these videos
@branikkkk
Жыл бұрын
Again, huge thank you for including peasant Ryzen 3600 in your charts.
@samuelclark8064
Жыл бұрын
awsome vid man. ty.
@Timosius
Жыл бұрын
great video, nice infos! very compact
@jamesb.walker9177
Жыл бұрын
Super informative, very good point ! Would be very interesting to include the 7800X3D when it is out.
@ctrlabuse
Жыл бұрын
It's a pity you didn't include fully cpu bound scenarios like csgo on 960p minimal settings. It would be interesting to see if there's a difference in latency between ~50% of gpu usage and ~90%.
@fisker1646
Жыл бұрын
could you also test if an all core OC setup is really better for system latency? than for example vs 7700x pbo -30 setup? my opinion one of the biggest pc myths ever.
@fabiocosta2091
Жыл бұрын
Very impressive. Can do you make video about power consumption? And RTX 4090 didn't melted yet?
@YTesting
Жыл бұрын
God bless you my man
@nsmilitia
Жыл бұрын
Interesting, always thought input lag was mainly caused by monitors and this is growing up using trinitron crts
@JesusEveryFeckinHandleisTaken
Жыл бұрын
Sony Trinitron 21" CRT gang, representing.
@1234Jaytay
Жыл бұрын
Awesome video. What's your PR on bench/deadlift/squat? You look bigger than you ever have man. Good work!
@notshawty8825
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for clearing the concepts!
@mikv8
Жыл бұрын
If you're really concerned about latency you should get one of those old good CRT monitors you got rid of in early 2000s. Not that I really recomend doing so but this will probably give you the biggest leap in decreasing the lag as those displays have absolutely zero input lag.
@_shadow_1
Жыл бұрын
Oled is expensive, but it's also really good for input lag without looking like crap.
@FamilyFriedemann
8 ай бұрын
We have 500 fps monitors today )some of them even deliver). That will be significantly better than even 120Hz CRT with 0 input lag, just because you save about 7ms per image from GPU to being on the display.
@omdwillieturnip8840
Жыл бұрын
Feeling great about my 5800x3d right now LOL
@k1ng617
Жыл бұрын
Thank you! Loved this video. Something that is bugging me is, why do you think we didn't see the same scaling w/ the increase in FPS related to the CPU that we did from the GPU?
@FamilyFriedemann
8 ай бұрын
You see the same issue with most gaming benchmarks. The CPU has an easy task, which is quickly handing over the task of image generation to the GPU. The CPU task takes less time even when you have a weaker CPU, the GPU task is the bigger burden and takes longer even in high end GPUs. So maybe the CPU takes 1.5ms for its job, the GPU takes 3ms. Graphics intensive applications simply rely a lot more on the GPU, and especially in these performance tests where the GPU is basically being maxed out on purpose (to compare max. FPS capacity), the GPU will always be the bottleneck. Of course, many games are optimized to utilize the GPU as much as possible, as this is more efficient for rendering graphics. If these tests would set the framerate to 60 FPS and then test the lag, you would see different results, as you lose the benefit of higher FPS, and then the better GPU benefit would look more similar to the better CPU benefit. Another reason surely is that for most applications, the single core performance of the CPU is the most important factor, and this changes only very slightly between CPU generations - most progress in CPU performance is due to more cores being added. Since Pentium 4 days (near 4GHz), single core performance simply did not develop as it did up until then (we are at 5.5GHz in the high end now). Since graphics intense applications requires a lot of data flowing through the CPU, we see the X3D processors with 96 MB L3 cache win a lot. The additional memory speeds up the CPU's job. So there is only so much to do for the CPU, and it is probably not maxed out in such tests, and the best way to go faster is to have better single core performance or more cache, both of which is scarce. The GPU is being maxed out, and hence the most important factor.
@richardjung9562
Жыл бұрын
very good video :) have never even thought about this. i would be interested in how much u cab´n improve latency by capping framerate to lower gpu usage and at which point its getting u no gains in latency due to less frames
@sh00trmcgavn39
Жыл бұрын
Great info, great video. Love the content.
@Boemtie
Жыл бұрын
Best video regarding pc latency to date. Really good stuff!
@rtxsojun
Жыл бұрын
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@Petch85
Жыл бұрын
Grate testing. But does it matter. Can we measure that low latency matter in game. It is clear to me that 100ms matters. But 10 ms... How much latency can we have before we can feel or measure it in game? 10ms, 15ms, 25ms?
@griffin1366
Жыл бұрын
3ms
@MeLoveParisHilton
Жыл бұрын
Would love to see some CPU intensive eSports titles. MOBAs like Dota 2 often produce quite different results compared to GPU intensive games and FPS titles
@griffin1366
Жыл бұрын
Input lag doesn't really apply to dota though.
@iikatinggangsengii2471
Жыл бұрын
in general youd want as less latency/input lag possible on competitive titles, usually by high fps uncapped and good monitor
@iikatinggangsengii2471
Жыл бұрын
@@griffin1366 think it does, at high mmr, but yeah generally dota/any online more sensitive to connection latency/ping instead
@AlexanderTheDad_YT
2 ай бұрын
TIP: test latency at the same FPS cap next time. That way you can compare latency in a real gaming scenario. For example at 360 FPS my old PC (9900KF+2080Ti) had end-to-end latency of 7.3ms, my new PC (14900KS+4080S) has latency of 6.5ms. Tested with Nvidia Reflex Latency Analyzer using the EXACT same test. Consistent testing methodology is THE most important thing when it comes to benchmarking.
@TheeAaron
Жыл бұрын
Did you try DDR4 CL14 memory with the Intel chips? Very curious if that would have lowered the latency vs DDR5. Thx
@bismuth7730
Жыл бұрын
Primary CAS timings dont affect latency.
@JagsP95
Жыл бұрын
DDR4 4000mhz CL14 is faster than DDR5 6000 CL 30.
@TheeAaron
Жыл бұрын
@@bismuth7730 lol Yes they do that’s the whole point of lower timings
@puffyips
6 ай бұрын
@@JagsP95yeah but that 6000 cl30 is paired with a 7800x3d, best ya can do with ddr4 is the last gen 5800x3d
@shotarcherz1690
Жыл бұрын
Oooooo I just went from a 5 3600 to a 7 5800x3d 😄😄😄 cool to see the difference
@AlexSchendel
Жыл бұрын
Very interesting video! I wonder how Intel Arc performs on latency.
@luks6436
Жыл бұрын
What about Bottleneck? What about right settings ? What about Router / IPC ?
@therealb888
Жыл бұрын
How much of valorant's results are applicable to it's grumpy dad CSGO?
@saivyfps
Жыл бұрын
Not only do I like your content, I also like that unlike other similar creators we can actually tell your in good shape. Keep up the great vids man.
@quajay187
Жыл бұрын
it difficult to run latency tests without accounting for the display
@BoyanTerziev
Жыл бұрын
Very good review and very good graphics to represent the collected data. I am interested if you do a video for AMD non cache and cache CPUs, how the memory speed and timings are affecting performance. And the main questins is if the 3d cache CPUs benefit from faster memory. Thanks!
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