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@klank9409
Жыл бұрын
ok
@Aisubun
Жыл бұрын
my condolences
@mrbuffwoopmusic8788
Жыл бұрын
We all need to eat man, it's cool
@teetrimino
Жыл бұрын
cartoonish is only doing it for the money lets be real lmao
@blueclube30000
Жыл бұрын
Hey I was thinking and IM NOT saying princess peach should be the damsel in destress but with the way she was portrayed in the movie would princess daisy still work in future movies?
@thecinematicmind
Жыл бұрын
The way Rotten Tomatoes has been used as exemption of criticism, defense or people misunderstanding the website is fascinating. Twitter especially good lord.
@kingbash6466
Жыл бұрын
But seriously though, I still don't think RT is or should be a good indicator as to whether something is good or bad. I think people should watch whatever interests them and form their own opinions and thoughts on any piece of art.
@burnypython8230
Жыл бұрын
The real winners are the people that come to their conclusions of a film’s quality through the merit of the arguments instead of using any scores as a source of the quality of the film.
@AnisterStarlight
Жыл бұрын
Isn't Rotten Tomatoes the same website that gave Cuties a high score or something?
@seeinred
Жыл бұрын
@@AnisterStarlight Rotten Tomatoes doesn't give scores, it just shows the % of good/bad reviews of people on that side. Aside from Captain Marvel where they directly intervened and changed %, locking it.
@hype5456
Жыл бұрын
Not just twitter in general
@PauloJrchannel
Жыл бұрын
I still can't believe there is drama over this film. This is probably the most uncontroversial movie I've seen in years.
@talkingfez1265
Жыл бұрын
That is ironically why there's controversy. Most people on the internet love to hate and stir up drama because they feel like they have power over others.
@leviticusprime4904
Жыл бұрын
@@talkingfez1265 you can blame gamer gate for that sadly
@jowysw
Жыл бұрын
@@leviticusprime4904 the fact that stupid event had so much influence in gamer culture online is so sad to think about
@idontwantahandlewhymustidothis
Жыл бұрын
@@jowysw The fact we're still dealing with it - and that it lead to an ingraining of the mindset rather than any form of introspection - makes a person feel pretty cynical
@leviticusprime4904
Жыл бұрын
@@idontwantahandlewhymustidothis gamergate not only ruined internet criticism, it completely atomized it
@EnderKingDubs
Жыл бұрын
I can't believe that in film discourse we went from "Movies made for Kids don't have to be shallow and can tackle very adult and powerful themes" with Puss in Boots to "It's a kids movie, bro" to defend the Mario Movie in less than half a year. I'm glad that a lot of Mario Fans enjoyed the movie. In a Hollywood Landscape where people put in charge of adapting these stories into films seem to actively hate the source material, I'm sure it's nice to see a movie that was clearly made by people passionate about Mario, but I can't help but think it would've been even better if they had actually made a strong story.
@QuokkaWaka
Жыл бұрын
In fairness I think they're just articulating themselves poorly, and that there's some value in trying to understand what they mean. I imagine their point is closer to "It doesn't make sense to critique a comedy based off of its story rather than its humour, this is the same thing". If I had to play devil's advocate, I'd say that it's unhelpful for movie reviewers to be critical of a movie for not being something it's not trying to be, as their job is to create an unbiased and informative review so that consumers can decide whether or not they want to watch the film, _not_ to say whether or not they enjoyed the film themselves. I imagine most people considering watching it would not be expecting any sort of profound story, so having the story be the focal point of the review doesn't inform their decision at all. I don't necessarily agree, and it doesn't excuse aggression towards reviewers, but if I had to guess I'd say that's more or less how they feel rather than "it's a kids movie so it should be dumb" or "it's bad on purpose", keeping in mind they're probably kids or just casual enjoyers of the film.
@Brendan_Johnson
Жыл бұрын
This falls on nintendo's shoulders they were the ones who green lighted this movie. Its not like they can't make a better story. I would have liked to have seen Mario and DK bound more in the eel's belly and not just have their problems solved. Just like I would have liked to have seen Peach give Mario a 1 up mushroom before Mario fought DK. And finally I would have liked to have seen to mini mushroom work like in the games where mario can jump high and longer distant. And when DK hit Mario when Mario was mini and Mario died and the 1 up would have saved his life.
@BirdsandGhibliFan
Жыл бұрын
@@QuokkaWaka I kinda see where you’re coming from, but wouldn’t a review talking about the summary of a movie be informative and provide some insight to some people who may be interested in or have doubts about seeing a film? Sure, there are Mario fans that didn’t mind the movie not having much of a story, but there were people, Mario fans and non-fans alike, that did care about that aspect of the film. Also, a review is simply another word for “evaluation”, with synonyms that include: an opinion. I think it’s rather impossible for critics to not have their opinions or biases bleed into their reviews, whether consciously or unconsciously, and it’s even more silly to suggest that critics shouldn’t express whether they personally like or dislike a movie. It would be the equivalent of expecting a food critic to recommend or not recommend a restaurant to customers, but not to express whether they like or dislike the food or service of the restaurant. Lastly, one can acknowledge that certain films shouldn’t have unrealistic standards or expectations placed on them and also acknowledge that that shouldn’t be an excuse for filmmakers to play it safe or not put effort in to their work. I would be much more willing to be sympathetic and play devil’s advocate to the fans if they didn’t make bad faith arguments like, “It’s a dumb kids movie” (sorry, I can never take that argument seriously, regardless if it’s a child or adult making the argument), especially since most of these people making these arguments are not kids, but adults who should realize that it’s not a convincing argument if you’re trying to get people to understand your viewpoint.
@scottchaison1001
Жыл бұрын
@@BirdsandGhibliFan There's nothing wrong with a movie having a simple story.
@BirdsandGhibliFan
Жыл бұрын
@@scottchaison1001 Did you even read my comment? I never said that there was something wrong with a film having a simple story. Even if I did say I disliked the film for having a simple story, nowhere did I say that other people are wrong for being satisfied with a simple story. I simply said that there were people that wanted more out of the film than what they got. Those are two different things. One can still appreciate and be satisfied with the film despite a simple story while still wishing that the film did more expansion.
@squeaks5677
Жыл бұрын
I don’t get why people defend this movie like it’s somehow being overhated and how nobody but them likes it. The movie is making billions, Nintendo doesn’t need a defense squad.
@TheRealP.S.G
Жыл бұрын
Same profile picture. Hilarious.
@squeaks5677
Жыл бұрын
@@TheRealP.S.G hello brother
@TheRealP.S.G
Жыл бұрын
@@squeaks5677 Hello.
@pepearown4968
Жыл бұрын
How does it feel that you weren’t in the movie? Probably not that bad, honestly. Biddybuds were the only 3D Land/World enemy to make an appearance.
@niteriemcfarlane5285
Жыл бұрын
@@pepearown4968 those mouse of individuals pfps above were in the sewers of the movie tho.......
@Amexy-mr6lw
Жыл бұрын
While I loved the Mario movie, it's definitely not perfect. I didnt mind the pacing and writing but I can understand why some would.
@PussInBootsTheLastWishFan2003
Жыл бұрын
The Super Mario Bros Movie is perfect
@Banana807
Жыл бұрын
@@PussInBootsTheLastWishFan2003nothing is perfect
@timmy6890
Жыл бұрын
This reply section is gonna go into Nuclear War
@trystanater9543
Жыл бұрын
@@timmy6890 Good thing I brought some munitions
@vanderquakSP
Жыл бұрын
I’ll cut Nintendo and illumination some slack for the pacing since The Super Mario Bros. Movie is the first movie based on a Nintendo franchise to be made in almost 30 years.
@limeyell0w945
Жыл бұрын
The fact that people were unironically claiming that a rainbow and peach being cool makes this movie gay feminist propaganda is hilarious to me.
@TheDigitalApple
Жыл бұрын
To be fair it is refreshing to an female character in cinema such as Princess Peach and not the ones we’ve been cursed to “tolerate” for the past few years such as Mulan live action remake.
@limeyell0w945
Жыл бұрын
@@TheDigitalApple yea
@troin3925
Жыл бұрын
@@TheDigitalApple Peach has been portrayed in media before this like the Super Mario Adventures comics.
@garibaldibritann1240
Жыл бұрын
ANd on the other side there's a small size of people claiming the Mario film embraces socialism and feminism which is another shitter for the film's clout
@limeyell0w945
Жыл бұрын
@@garibaldibritann1240 ye
@bryandraws5163
Жыл бұрын
We live in an era where people attach themselves so hard to anything they like, that if anyone doesn’t like or enjoy the same thing as them, they treat it as a personal attack.
@aaronlo9651
Жыл бұрын
We also live in an era where people hate something so much that if they see someone else like what they hate it be hell by now.
@scottchaison1001
Жыл бұрын
Maybe they wouldn't take it as a personal attack if the criticisms weren't so stupid xd.
@josiahtheawkward6008
Жыл бұрын
@@scottchaison1001and that affects your personal life how?
@scottchaison1001
Жыл бұрын
@@josiahtheawkward6008 It just helps me to know that the so-called professional critics are more and more of a joke.
@stopmob1097
Жыл бұрын
@@scottchaison1001 they shouldn’t take it as a personal attack though that’s just sad
@liamphibia
Жыл бұрын
Fun Fact: Shigeru Miyamoto thanked all the critics' negative reviews. Saying they helped the Super Mario Bros Movie's growing success. He basically killed them with kindness. Gotta love a legend like him.
@JNJNRobin1337
Жыл бұрын
this is indeed quite reasonable criticism is important for the creation and improvement of media
@Austin-kt7ky
Жыл бұрын
Nintendo seems to take criticism this way almost as a rule. I think that's a good rule for success and innovation, which has been Nintendo's strategy for a while now.
@wakkaseta8351
Жыл бұрын
Well, he is good at killing narratives. Just look at the current state of Paper Mario.
@Random_User666
Жыл бұрын
@@Austin-kt7ky unless if it’s any of their Sports Games as of late…
@sahaprocks7751
Жыл бұрын
@@wakkaseta8351 I guess there’s still people who actually think he hates stories. He does NOT hate stories. He just thinks that the gameplay is more important in Mario and if he hates stories, why does he let Zelda have a story? There’s a whole video debunking that he DOES like stories and he didn’t really ruin Paper Mario
@pennysanchez7656
Жыл бұрын
Take a drink every time Cartoonshi uses Gangsters Paradise to cover up his swears.
@Aisubun
Жыл бұрын
He uses it for woke too which sent me ngl
@pennysanchez7656
Жыл бұрын
@@Aisubun But I agree with this hypocritical controversy with the Mario movie because of the toxicity. Say what you will about the Disney direct to video sequels, but at least that there are people who don't bash other people for liking them.
@liamphibia
Жыл бұрын
Woke isn't really a bad word. Lol
@wakkaseta8351
Жыл бұрын
You trying to Game Over us?
@kirbymania5533
Жыл бұрын
The best I can do is Gatorade
@topcat59
Жыл бұрын
Honestly I’m still not happy that they didn’t credit the dude who made the DK rap, since if they have time to bring in the DK rep then they had time to put his name up there.🐱
@yulee3266
Жыл бұрын
That's true
@crystalpokedude4329
Жыл бұрын
My only counterpoint is that they didn't credit the guy who wrote the Fury Bowser theme, which plays in the celebration scene after the koopas get the star. They also straight rip that track from the game version, and it's credited the exact same way as the DK rap. Not really a defense of the actions, more so pointing out that people aren't defending that guitarist who got zero credit either.
@supercamborg4218
Жыл бұрын
@@crystalpokedude4329 that doesn’t make it any better, there should be credit given for both
@wakkaseta8351
Жыл бұрын
Sold the rights to the song decades ago because he was ashamed of it. No one's legally obligated to credit him.
@sahaprocks7751
Жыл бұрын
They didn’t credit the person who composed Fury Bowser’s theme and nobody is taking about that
@BaysidePark
Жыл бұрын
I remember when my college professor didn't like the official trailer to the Super Mario Bros movie and his reasoning was because it seemed like they were throwing in all sorts of Mario references, and it seemed cheap to him (this was before the film came out). These people would've lost their minds if they found out about his take.
@leviticusprime4904
Жыл бұрын
When you adapt something, there are things you need to change,keep, and remove. And this movie is a good example on why in adaptations you need to that. Because of the need to throw references all the time, it felt like it nothing was ever properly developed or established. Like why is there a pipe that leads to the real world to the other world? Why didn’t bowser just use the superstar from the beginning?
@eslm-studios2996
Жыл бұрын
@@leviticusprime4904 The warp pipe can be easily explained as one of those typical gateways into another dimension you see in other films and shows. But that's a good point. Why didn't Bowser use the superstar at the beginning? What was stopping him from doing so aside from using it as something to impress Peach? I'd say this is where the likes of Sonic 2 shines. I'm not trying to compare the Mario Movie to the Sonic movies, but when you look at the Sonic films, you see them reference certain parts of the Sonic canon which are more subtle and not so 'in your face', like Knuckles liking grapes, Eggman's classic outfit, the instruction manual being like a Sega Genesis manual, etc.
@sahaprocks7751
Жыл бұрын
@@eslm-studios2996 Bowser probably wanted to save the star if his plan of marrying peach did not work
@eslm-studios2996
Жыл бұрын
@@sahaprocks7751 That was probably the case, but it still feels a little poorly handled.
@sahaprocks7751
Жыл бұрын
@@eslm-studios2996 well they did kinda explain it, when the koopa asked what if she said no and Bowser burned him, he said that he would power up with the star and destroy the mushroom kingdom
@mayafeyplushie2025
Жыл бұрын
Ngl, it's funny when people say, "It really sticks it to Hollywood" and its a movie that was made by a big Hollywood Studio
@BirdsandGhibliFan
Жыл бұрын
Yep, with big-name, Hollywood actors to boot instead of lesser-known actors that are more experienced in voice acting. That’s about as Hollywood as you can get. Most of the movie screams “made in Hollywood” (the very idea of a studio making a film based on an established property is a current Hollywood trend in and of itself) with the exception of some intervention from Nintendo and Miyamoto to the writing and storyline.
@joeybaseball7352
Жыл бұрын
@@BirdsandGhibliFan the cast is made of great actors. Veteran voice actors, Chris Pratt voiced 2 Lego movies. Jack Black voiced 3 Kung Fu Panda movies, and Shark Tale. Keegan Michael Key has voiced in Toy Story 4, The Lion King, Wendell and Wild, The Lego movies, Hotel Transylvania movies, The Angry Birds movies, Storks, Chip n Dale, Pinocchio, Migration, The Star. He's a super prolific voice actor. Charlie Day has voiced in Monsters University, and Both Lego movies. Anya Taylor Joy has voiced in The Dark Crystal: Age of Resistance. Seth Rogen has voiced in The Lion King, Sausage Party, Shrek 3, The Spiderwick Chronicles, Monsters Vs Aliens, the Kung Fu Panda movies, Horton Hears A Who, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.
@BirdsandGhibliFan
Жыл бұрын
@@joeybaseball7352I stand corrected (although as a side note, if I’m supposed to take you at your word, Anya-Taylor Joy has only voiced in one other film or series, so I wouldn’t say she’s a veteran in voice acting). I meant to include Jack Black, Seth Rogen, and Kevin Michael Richardson as being the only three with the most voice acting experience in my original comment, but I must’ve forgot. With that said, though, even with all of these actors having experience in voice acting animated films, I still don’t think any of the voice performances in this film are that groundbreaking or stand out in any way, even with the actors I do like, like Jack Black. In my opinion, Seth Rogen is way overused as a voice actor, and that trademark laugh he does is not only grating but also totally out of place for the role he’s playing as Donkey Kong. Plus, it’s super annoying to see conservatives and cultural warriors weirdly using these big-name actors (i.e. Chris Pratt) of this film or this film in general as some big statement against Hollywood when most of these actors are probably not even remotely right-wing in politics whatsoever. But, that’s a topic for another day. Nevertheless, for the record, I think Jack Black, Seth Rogen and Kevin Michael Richardson are the only actors in this cast with the most voice acting experience because they have the most prolific track record in voice work out of any other actor in this cast. The rest have only voice acted in a couple, several, or few films and/or mostly played in a non-leading/minor character role. Regardless, if this film was just another animated film made by Illumination with no Mario elements in it, I think a lot more people would be calling out Illumination for using big-name actors as a cheap way to prop the film. I personally don’t mind big-name actors being voice actors in animated films as much as other people just as long as they perform well. I am merely addressing the people pretending that Illumination or even more laughably, the actors are somehow some anti-establishment force in Hollywood or something, and pointing out that if the folks who hate Hollywood were consistent in their beliefs, they would champion lesser-known actors or more experienced voice actors that are not as famous as Hollywood A or B-listers. I have this feeling that a lot of people would hypocritically not give this same merciful treatment to any other typical film that has an all-star cast.
@leob4403
Ай бұрын
@@joeybaseball7352yeah so they were good in other movies not this one, there isn't one actor in history that did good movies that also didn't do bad movies, it's part of the job, they can't all be winners, and none of those people should have been cast as voice actors for a Mario movie
@Greenyguy
Жыл бұрын
Ironic that these people are saying "Kids movie" while acting like kids.
@Avaitor_YT
Жыл бұрын
The same kids that are saying it's trash because it's for kids are the same ones that are making videos using fan made clips about how fnaf isn't for kids. At least that's my theory.
@BirdsandGhibliFan
Жыл бұрын
@@Avaitor_YT When you say kids that are saying the film is trash, you mean those that are defending this movie or criticizing the movie?
@juliabp6057
Жыл бұрын
@@Avaitor_YTNAF is for teenagers. I don’t expect the movie to be rated R, as Scott doesn’t like explicit or visual gore. He only puts gruesome violent scenes in the books.
@Avaitor_YT
Жыл бұрын
@@juliabp6057 I mean, the real question is what age group is joining fnaf consistently and when are they playing fnaf for the first time. Who it's for and who it's marketed towards are technically different things. When did YOU first play it is probably a good question to start of with.
@Avaitor_YT
Жыл бұрын
@@BirdsandGhibliFan Both. Both equally. I said that side as that was the one I was introduced to first. So that was the one I was used to talking about.
@HauntyHollow
Жыл бұрын
This is, coincidentally enough, the unfortunate reputation Nintendo fans (stans) have. I saw this coming from a mile away before the movie even released
@Amexy-mr6lw
Жыл бұрын
Tbf both Nintendo haters and fanboys are extreme
@reinweissritter
Жыл бұрын
Yep, it was pretty obvious to me that something like this would happen when the shitstorm around Chris Pratt started, not counting the twitter assholes hating him for the fake drama and lies they were spreading before his role announcement. It makes me dread the time when another Nintendo IP gets a movie because I know it'll be worse.
@leviticusprime4904
Жыл бұрын
@@Amexy-mr6lw we’ve seen the examples of the later, but what are some examples of the former?
@jowysw
Жыл бұрын
@@leviticusprime4904 Remember before the Switch launch? There were literally an audience on KZitem dedicated to constantly say the console was "doomed" and basically wishing that it was just because.
@AshoreNevermore
Жыл бұрын
Where I'm from, Nintendo fans hate Nintendo.
@ImTheGuy
Жыл бұрын
I think one of the funniest things about this situation is that the Mario movie is currently at 59% on Rotten Tomatoes. A movie must have more than a 60% score to be considered fresh. It is literally 1 point off from being considered a "good" movie, and yet people are acting like every critic despises this movie.
@joaquinm9148
Жыл бұрын
That is like getting a C- on a test but after the test your classmates are like “Ooooh, you got an F!!!”
@BirdsandGhibliFan
Жыл бұрын
It’s also funny considering that the Disney films that Cartoonshi brings up in this video have lower scores on RT than the Mario movie does.
@remixchild
Ай бұрын
Hmm A movie that’s really evil enough
@remixchild
Ай бұрын
Hmm A movie that’s really not evil enough
@remixchild
Ай бұрын
Hmm A movie that’s really not evil enough
@sillyali
Жыл бұрын
I think it's funny that people are saying that the Mario Movie lacking much character development/story isn't a problem because "the Mario games don't do that either", because the same people that use that defense are also the kinds of people who want MORE story in Mario games (such as the stuff from Galaxy/Sunshine or the RPGs) and say that the lack of story/characterization in the modern games compared to the Gamecube/Early Wii eras is actively harming the series, lmao.
@thebemstar7636
Жыл бұрын
Of course. You are in the movie and character development will always need to be in
@staringcorgi6475
Жыл бұрын
Paper mario 64/ttyd is proof that mario is capable of great story telling i wish “fans” would know this
@niteriemcfarlane5285
Жыл бұрын
@@staringcorgi6475 we do know that but non mario fans/ sonic fans etc still mock mario when he has story games 👻
@jarerarebear1765
9 ай бұрын
Because Mario fans do not have logical consistency. They can move the goal post, or more appropriately flag pole as much as they want.
@American_bald_eagle
8 ай бұрын
The game doesnt really need the character development because the focus of the game is more towards playing it rather than the story
@railroader2431
Жыл бұрын
The Mario Movie ain't perfect, but it's been pretty successful for a reason. But jeez, there are legitimate criticisms to be had of the film, it's crazy to see so many people lose it over any form of criticism. As for Peach? She's been competent in the games plenty of times, so it's nothing new. I just wish her personality and mannerisms overall felt more like her game counterpart, which I don't see anything wrong with.
@troin3925
Жыл бұрын
The Super Mario Adventures comics is another good example of Peach being badass.
@railroader2431
Жыл бұрын
@@Dragonfire-ir5ln I somehow didn't notice my redundancy. Whoops. Fixed it.
@Dragonfire-ir5ln
Жыл бұрын
@@railroader2431 ok
@lingricen8077
5 ай бұрын
Feminists don’t believe that feminine women can be heroic 😂
@Matty002
Жыл бұрын
people not knowing the difference between criticism and hate/complaining is tiring
@Roto3
Ай бұрын
They both the same. Stop lying.
@Geobot3000
Жыл бұрын
The absolute switch-up that everyone made on this movie is insane to me everyone kept shitting on chris and memeing about how the movie was gonna be trash and now that it’s out, everyone is blindly defending the movie and saying that it’s the best thing ever made. And the craziest part is… NO ONE HAS APOLOGIZED TO CHRIS YET!!!
@icecreamhero2375
Жыл бұрын
Incorrect. We blindly judged the movie and said "Chris Pratt as Mario that's crazy". When people gave it chance they liked it.
@sensarmy
Жыл бұрын
Ikr
@paradoxinteractiveprisoner4244
Жыл бұрын
Modern conservatism in a nutshell
@AbominableNation
Жыл бұрын
@@icecreamhero2375 ong, bros acting like we led a march towards his house with pitchforks and torches
@kingofcards9516
Жыл бұрын
@@paradoxinteractiveprisoner4244 bruh really trying to bring politics into this. And besides it's usually the terminaly online twitter leftists who hate Chris Pratt because he's christian.
@NoName......
Жыл бұрын
I swear to God if Illimination gets the greenlight to make a Zelda movie, nothing will be able to stop my rage. Illumination can't handle adapting something with depth.
@insertnamehere259
Жыл бұрын
Think it really depends on how much Nintendo and Aonuma have in it
@disclaimer4211
Жыл бұрын
If Nintendo wants to make a Zelda movie, dream works should do it. They should've done this movie since they seem to do well with the fairy tale adaptations they've done. Plus puss in boots was Good
@Amexy-mr6lw
Жыл бұрын
I am ok with the Mario Movie having been Made by illumination but For Zelda Dreamworks would be better
@ZakaZ1996
Жыл бұрын
I'm curious if that was the case if they'd give it to their Moonlight label that's headed by Mike Moon instead (A label designed for Adult Animation)
@whatno3145
Жыл бұрын
Illumination will ruin the masterpiece that is Zelda. And if they do make a movie, and its terrible, you can't use the excuse that it's "a kids movie" cause Majoras Mask is the most terrifying game concept ever and that's a Zelda game.
@manoelheitor9514
Жыл бұрын
The release of Spider-Verse put all of these defenses to the ground. It proved that a "fan-service" movie with hundreds of references per-second can also be a thrilling and emotional narrative. Unfortunetly, some references alone are enough to give a movie box-office relevance so this Mario movie will always be at the top while movies like Kung Fu Panda, Toy Story and many others aside from Spider-Verse will be "below" it because they don't have the crowd-pleasing experience this movie offers
@BirdsandGhibliFan
Жыл бұрын
Exactly! I’m not the biggest Marvel or Spider-Man fan, but the Spider-Verse franchise is a perfect example of a film based off an IP that resonates well with both the target audience and non-fans alike, as well as standing out on its own as a film with the stunning animation and engaging story. I wish this was a concept that the Mario movie fans would understand.
@WakerOfTheSky
Жыл бұрын
Not every movie needs to be an emotional narrative Spider-Verse is different than the Mario movie
@BirdsandGhibliFan
Жыл бұрын
@@WakerOfTheSky Who said that the Mario movie needs to be an emotional narrative? Nobody except folks like yourself making a strawman of what other people said.
@WakerOfTheSky
Жыл бұрын
@@BirdsandGhibliFan motherfuckers like the OP who compare this movie to Across the Spider-Verse and Puss in boots the last wish
@BirdsandGhibliFan
Жыл бұрын
@@WakerOfTheSkyComparing is not the same as saying that the Mario movie should be exactly like those films. Please know the difference. The OP is simply pointing out that the Mario movie had the potential to have fan-service and references kept in while having a better written story and improved characterization, not that the movie should have the exact same quality as those films.
@NeroMai
Жыл бұрын
7:55 I left a comment saying "they saved an hour of time" under a meme of the entire movie remade in 1 minute with stock footage, and I kid you not some person has been arguing in the replies calling everyone stupid for criticizing or even joking about the movie for a week straight. At the time of writing this, he has since written over 50 comments fighting people under that video and is still going as we speak. 17:31 This! ...A month before the movie dropped, weirdos complained that it was w0kE because Peach is a "strong independent woman", Bowser is a "beta simp", and Mario is a "useless". Now the movie is out and they swear it's not woke anymore and owns the "liberal Disney". I miss the days when people had a personality and didn't turn everything into a "political agenda" culture war.
@martinalejandro224
Жыл бұрын
Whenever people say "it's just a kids movie" I just respond with "why do you like it if you're not a kid?"
@locomotivetrainstation6053
Жыл бұрын
Because it's a good movie
@BirdsandGhibliFan
Жыл бұрын
@@locomotivetrainstation6053 You missed the point of what he’s saying. He’s explaining how the “it’s a kids movie” defense doesn’t make a lot of sense (especially when it’s adults trying to defend the movie) and the people who make this argument sound as if they’re saying, “the movie is supposed to be bad or mediocre because it’s a kids movie” (which sounds like they’re admitting that the film is not good instead of praising it). If you’re trying to make a case that a film is good, making that argument is not the way to do it.
@littlegyro8340
Жыл бұрын
I would respond "So you're saying this movie isn't meant for all ages, such as adults like you and I? "
@ProbablySoon-pv6ee
3 ай бұрын
@@locomotivetrainstation6053 its awful
@guilhermeteodosio40
Жыл бұрын
Toad: "I'm Mario's BEST FRIEND..." *and their relantionship never develops further than that*
@locomotivetrainstation6053
Жыл бұрын
And?
@locomotivetrainstation6053
Жыл бұрын
There's no development in Maro games
@BirdsandGhibliFan
Жыл бұрын
@@locomotivetrainstation6053 So? He’s not talking about the games. He’s talking about the movie, a medium designed to tell a story and develop character arcs.
@locomotivetrainstation6053
Жыл бұрын
@@BirdsandGhibliFan it's a simple movie, deal with it. Not everything has to be a deep crazy plot
@BirdsandGhibliFan
Жыл бұрын
@@locomotivetrainstation6053 I never said that the movie had to have a deep plot. But, to some people, the movie needs to be a little more than just a beat-by-beat imitation of the games with references. It’s possible to have all of the references and fan service kept in the film while having a better written story and characterization woven into the mix. That’s the point that most people critical of the film are making.
@smashbronikko
Жыл бұрын
People getting angry about the Mario Bros. Movie's critics is no surprise to me cause it's EXACTLY how Nintendo fans operate when you say something similar about anything they like. For example, when Smash was still doing DLC and a character got announced and you didn't care for them, you could literally just say "I don't care about this character, I would of rather them add this." They would literally react the exact same way. There's tons of other examples of this, but I think I've made my point.
@tessaPMpro
Жыл бұрын
This goes for fanboys of any kind, I don't get why some people single out Nintendo fanboys. All fanboys are like this.
@smashbronikko
Жыл бұрын
@@tessaPMpro Oh no definitely, I only singled them on in particular due to the subject matter being the Mario Movie .
@tessaPMpro
Жыл бұрын
@Smash Bro Nikko oh yeah that makes sense then, I don't know why I didn't consider that. I really didn't think it through before I commented that, so just ignore what I said lol.
@wackafool4514
Жыл бұрын
FE fans when someone says that they don't care for the FE character in question being announced: (It was a joke, but it's crazy how you can't say that you simply don't care about someone like Byleth or Phyra (Idk how to spell her name)/Mythra without them spamming the "Hoes Mad" meme over and over again and constantly telling you that you should be grateful for what Sakurai gives us, like, f*ck off with that, I was just stating my opinion without being aggressive about it)
@DimeUhDozen
Жыл бұрын
Here's a thought for the animation community. Maybe... criticism can... Help create better movies...? It's not as though the bad reviews are going to prevent the Mario Movie from getting a sequel. It's the Mario Movie, they're going to milk that shit till the cows come home. But because enough attention is given to the legitimate criticism of the movie, the creators might have to reevaluate and fix on the next try to give us something even better. I don't think this should be treated as such a negative if the end result from this is more than likely to turn into something positive at the end of the day. ...Or y'know, it's Illumination, so they'll just play it safe again. Yeah, that seems more likely.
@locomotivetrainstation6053
Жыл бұрын
Why just animation? Why no movies in general
@BirdsandGhibliFan
Жыл бұрын
@@locomotivetrainstation6053 I think it’s because people are more willing to excuse bad quality in animated films more than live-action movies because “it’s meant for kids”, but you’re right. Constructive criticism should be welcomed regardless if it’s toward an animated or live-action film. I think if more people treated animated films like films, as they should be, there wouldn’t be as many people targeting people who enjoy animated films or writing off animated films as a medium.
@spacecaster3802
5 ай бұрын
@@BirdsandGhibliFan Sometimes people will acknowledge that a film was trying to be something significant for the public, rather than a critical achievement of a film. When that happens people likely won't make too big of a fuss about the film being average or less. This applies to all kinds of movies (not just stuff for the kids). I don't think that excuse means these movies should get a pass to being considered good. It just means that it's kinda unnecessary for people to criticise it like a failed masterpiece. I'm not trying to insult animation here. I do believe it is medium that work for anyone. That being said I think what your saying isn't what @DimeUhDozen meant. People were mostly bothered by the criticism for the Mario Movie because they love Mario and don't like hearing negative feedback towards the movie.
@josiahtheawkward6008
Жыл бұрын
It’s so weird seeing people get so upset when an online stranger doesn’t have the same opinion with them. It’s like they get embarrassed for liking the product and take it out on those people. Honestly, that’ll make them look more embarrassing than getting caught watching children media.
@cosygoose1813
Жыл бұрын
I honestly have this problem, I can seriously ask someone why they like something to better understand their opinion. I often ask about the flaws and people get offended. Despite me being serious and .ifht be interested in what they see in case I missed something.
@scottchaison1001
Жыл бұрын
Maybe they wouldn't be upset if a lot of those reviews weren't so stupid, there's nothing embarrassing about that.
@josiahtheawkward6008
Жыл бұрын
@@scottchaison1001 have you read them?
@BirdsandGhibliFan
Жыл бұрын
@@scottchaison1001 Granted, some critics had some stupid takes on the film, but there have been other instances of people using the “dumb kids movie” excuse towards people who had legitimate gripes about the movie, like the story structure, pacing, song choices, or characterization.
@charismaticRogue
Жыл бұрын
@@scottchaison1001 ok fanboy
@bomberman9296
Жыл бұрын
Nintendo fans make sonic fans look calm
@JaimeValladares00
Жыл бұрын
Truth
@bashooi
Жыл бұрын
It depends I remember how some sonic fanse went insane around them time of the videogames awards from last year.
@beta9640
Жыл бұрын
The bigger the fanbase, the more likely you'd run into people like this
@bluetophat267
Жыл бұрын
Both are insane
@bomberman9296
Жыл бұрын
@@bashooi ahh the great genshin impact vs sonic frontiers war what a Wierd bizzare war to happen
@Ijustusethistocommentstuff
Жыл бұрын
My problem with this film isn't that its a Mario movie. Its that its made by Illumination, aka the "We make money, therefore we should never innovate" company. Giving them access to other people's IPs is not a good thing. Its like giving an alcoholic caffeine, they will just indulge in their problem more because they won't feel it as much. I have to stand by the critics with this one, out of principle alone. Illumination is filled with FANTASTIC animators, its just their directors and executives are swimming in Scrooge McDuck money piles, and can't be bothered to actually make something new.
@BirdsandGhibliFan
Жыл бұрын
B-but you don’t understand! If Disney made this film, they would’ve made it “woke” and everything! This is an actual argument that I’ve heard people make about why Illumination is the “better” studio to handle the Mario franchise, despite the fact that some of Illumination’s past work make some modern Disney films almost seem like classic Disney by comparison.
@pepearown4968
Жыл бұрын
Honestly, aside from Francis (easily the worst part of the movie; thank God he was only important in the first act), this movie doesn’t feel too terribly Illumination-esque. A lot of this movie was made with Nintendo breathing down their necks the whole time, so it definitely is better than all of their other movies. I’m not sure how involved Illumination were with writing the script. They likely funded and animated the film, but, beyond that, I don’t know. This film was way better than what I’ve heard about other Illumination films. It didn’t have any “bad humor” in it, and it certainly didn’t feel as bland.
@Ijustusethistocommentstuff
Жыл бұрын
@@BirdsandGhibliFan How are people so obsessed with a director's, you know, direction for a film? Do they not understand movies reflect a creator's view of the world? I hate the people that constantly say that hollywood is "going woke", because they are inherently being disrespectful of a creator's vision for a work, and disrespecting the creative process behind most art.
@trufoosxd
Жыл бұрын
@@pepearown4968 I mean the writer for this movie(Matthew Fogel) wrote Minions: Rise of Gru, so I do think Illumination did have some baring on the script, but I do think Nintendo was way more involved or at least supervising it.
@BirdsandGhibliFan
Жыл бұрын
@@Ijustusethistocommentstuff Yeah, I can’t stand those people, either. Just because a movie has political messages that I don’t necessarily agree with doesn’t mean that I won’t possibly find any value or enjoyment from that film. I think as long as it makes sense in terms of the story and that the messages are not told in a heavy-handed, preachy way, I personally don’t mind it. For example, I am no left-winger (I actually identify as a libertarian who feels politically homeless in both major political parties of America), but I enjoy a lot of Hayao Miyazaki’s work despite Miyazaki being outspoken about his left-wing politics in his films and in private life. Also, there are some messages in his films that I see eye-to-eye with him on, like his bold anti-war stance in some of his films, skepticism of technology and government/powerful people or institutions, especially the military, criticism of black-and-white thinking or us vs. them mentality, and living in harmony with nature. That’s not to say there isn’t any propaganda in films, narrative or documentary (because there is; looking at you, Netflix), but I think if people had more of an open mind, people would realize that although we might disagree on certain issues, we may have a lot in common and actually share similar views.
@Aisubun
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this, because it's been a massive prevailing problem and I feel like I can't even say "I thought it was enjoyable but it certainly wasn't fantastic or anything" without someone jumping down my throat for "not understanding what a reference is" or whatever
@limeyell0w945
Жыл бұрын
Nice pfp
@Aisubun
Жыл бұрын
@@limeyell0w945 thanks :)
@limeyell0w945
Жыл бұрын
@@Aisubun yw^^
@Cory_Jad9024
Жыл бұрын
Same just cuz it got references doesn't make it automatically good. Is really hard nowadays to express your opinion without ppl attacking you cuz you didn't like a popular movie.
@leviticusprime4904
Жыл бұрын
@@Aisubun “I thought it was enjoyable but it certainly wasn’t fantastic or anything” it literally the best review for this movie
@Crimson_Mayhem
Жыл бұрын
Rotten Tomatoes should only be brought up as a reference guide for audiences and critics consensus. Not to reflect on a film’s overall quality. Great video!
@connie_a
10 ай бұрын
As a lifelong fan, I wanted a movie made by somebody who understands Super Mario from a core conceptual standpoint, and is able to write some sort of gripping narrative around it. What we instead got was Cocomelon for brainless Nintendo soys.
@BirdsandGhibliFan
10 ай бұрын
“Cocomelon for brainless Nintendo soys.” That made me smirk the first time I read it. 😏🤣
@erickjrmaldonadoherrera4531
9 ай бұрын
You are fake fan who never cares for mario.. only yourself..
@BIGTHANKSHEESH
9 ай бұрын
@erickjrmaldonadoherrera4531 ...and you gotta get off Mario's dick and realise this movie is mid. It had so much potential, yet using the word "cocomelon for adults" isn't far off. The Pokemon and especially the Sonic movies did more. Thank God Barbie beat Mario in earnings
@foam3132
Жыл бұрын
17:14 "It crossing $1 billion at the box office" This is why Im SO glad that the Barbie movie exists. Cause it did so in a shorter space of time, had now earnt more than the Mario movie and had more fierce competition to do so. The Barbie movie essentially describes the Mario movie for it: a cash grab. A safe cash grab, but a cash grab nonetheless. Hell. The Barbie movies plot and message it tells is at least more developed and more visible than the Mario Movie's
@Rusty-2010
11 ай бұрын
When I see a post about how the Barbie movie made more money than the Mario movie I always ALWAYS see people going “tHe MaRiO mOvIe DeSeRvEd To Be At ThE tOp!” Or something along those lines. Kinda unrelated but I genuinely feel like the only reason people were praising the Mario movie like it’s the second coming of Christ was because it was the MARIO movie. If it was the exact same movie just with original characters nobody and I mean NOBODY would care about it.
@BirdsandGhibliFan
10 ай бұрын
@@Rusty-2010 Indeed. I’d love to challenge the same people that are now praising Illumination all of a sudden for the Mario movie to go and see Illumination’s next film, “Migration”. I doubt there would be many that would want to see it. 🤣
@BIGTHANKSHEESH
9 ай бұрын
@@Rusty-2010 thank you. Without the hero, and the whole theme, of the movie being Mario, it would've been written off as some mid tier movie.
@DavidDumbedDown
Ай бұрын
I'm also happy that inside out 2 beat the Mario movie
@DavidDumbedDown
Ай бұрын
11:22
@vu-trathechildofhorrors5859
Жыл бұрын
Cartoonshi, thx so much for covering this I hate to see people being so terminally online
@carrieromberger8640
Жыл бұрын
I don’t think people realize that the critic reviews and audience reviews are meant to show people what movies are worth watching, not to offend the people that like the movie… 😅
@wakkaseta8351
Жыл бұрын
I still like how Peach is both a "woke girlboss" and "problematic passive damsel" at the same time.
@gustavju4686
Жыл бұрын
Was she passive in the movie?
@mrlaz9011
Жыл бұрын
peach just can't catch a break.
@squeaks5677
Жыл бұрын
me when I see a woman in a movie 🤬🤬
@kittypeanut4102
Жыл бұрын
What the
@N.I.A23
Жыл бұрын
There is no such thing as a girl boss. Its just a female fantasy. And a gross one by that.
@smokinnplatez1426
Жыл бұрын
The movie wasn't great
@foam3132
Жыл бұрын
The first movie I compared it too was the Sonic movie when it came out. Needless to say, there's a reason the movie is fast paced action and nothing else. If it was any slower, it would be BORING. The Sonic movie (despite being about a super fast hedgehog, so if it were fast paced I'd try and see past it as "gotta go fast") was actually well paced, had good action and actually had a GOOD story and message behind it, that DIDN'T just get pushed to the side on the first 25 minutes of the movie. That was the first Sonic movie. Anyone who says that the Mario movie was even comparable to the second Sonic movie needs a reality check
@smithandsuperdeadeyeofthew823
10 ай бұрын
Your comment is gonna make a lot of Mario fan's mad
@baalfgames5318
Жыл бұрын
Mario fanboys being dictators, as usual.
@scottchaison1001
Жыл бұрын
Mario fans being right, as usual*
@baalfgames5318
Жыл бұрын
@@scottchaison1001 Mario fans believing that their opinions are law and that their mediocre content is untouchable, as usual. Guck off!
@dadadadeadgirl5602
Жыл бұрын
@@scottchaison1001 you are literally an insecure fanboy like what he perfectly described
@justthatguy7999
Жыл бұрын
@@scottchaison1001how does Mario’s Italian meatball taste in your mouth
@HollowLeif
Жыл бұрын
From my experience on Twitter, Mario Movie discussions are an endless cycle of hell Most of them start with someone critiquing the movie, then turns into both fans and haters going batshit insane instead of being civil, with both sides forcing their beliefs and trying to prove why they are right I also hate how both sides treat critics, with the haters treating them like all-knowing god-like beings whose opinions should match ours, and fans treating them like criminals Both sides need to understand that critics, much like fans, are just humans. They are random people who watch movies for a living. Their bias is much more influenced by objectivity in many cases, but they're still normal ass biased humans As one of the biggest fans of this movie, I agree with many of the criticisms. I'll know bullshit when I see it, but I'll also know genuine criticism when I see it Also I'm glad you mentioned the "animation is cinema" thing, because while I agree and am one of the biggest supporters of that statement, many other supporters will say that, then proceed to say the one thing they hate the most (animation is """for kids""") when their favorite animated media is critized. Like... do y'all not see your own hypocrisy here??? Yes, Mario is for kids. Not EXPLICITLY for kids, but especially with the movie being made by Illumination, it is undoubtedly gonna be marketed for kids. That doesn't mean it should not he criticized. Animation is an art form. Cinema and writing is an art form. Art should be criticized. Just because art is mostly subjective or a product of expression does not make it free from criticism. Animation is no exception. In a way, it is a form of art on top of another form of art (cinema/writing). It NEEDS to be criticized. The industry treating it is a toddler's bedtime story has already been detrimental in letting it evolve into a greater form of storytelling, criticism should be accepted so creators can learn how to improve and take it further to show just how far animation can go as a form of art and storytelling. I hate this mentality that criticism = hate. I could go on about the Mario Movie's pacing, Owl House's squandered potential with its worldbuilding, etc. That doesn't mean I hate them. I LOVE them and want the crew behind these projects to use what made them so good while improving the bad parts, so their ideas can be taken further and make something truly special. Sorry for making this so long but I have so much to say about film and animation communities, especially after all the discussions about the Mario Movie from this past month. Hope you enjoyed my TED talk, uh go play Bug Fables or something idk
@scottchaison1001
Жыл бұрын
I only understood that the critics are wrong xd. The pacing was fine.
@BirdsandGhibliFan
Жыл бұрын
@@scottchaison1001 Maybe to you, the pacing was fine, but your opinion is not fact. Also, the OP said that he doesn’t hate the Mario film, but just sees the film as wasted potential that could’ve been done better. Your response is pretty disproportionate considering how this person’s feelings on the film is rather tame and harmless compared to some other people’s more inflammatory takes.
@tessaPMpro
Жыл бұрын
Gave your comment a like just for the mention of Bug Fables at the end!
@niteriemcfarlane5285
Жыл бұрын
critics who watched and reviewed cuties are not human I'm out 🚴🏿♂️
@BirdsandGhibliFan
Жыл бұрын
@@niteriemcfarlane5285 Do you seriously think that every critic that gave the Mario movie a low rating liked “Cuties”, let alone watched and reviewed that film at all? How do you know if some of those critics liked Mario movie and “Cuties”? Instead of bringing up valid points as to why the critics may be wrong in their assessment, you resort to poisoning the well. Pathetic.
@Sean16YT
Жыл бұрын
I remember when the Rotten Tomatoes critic score dropped I saw someone on Twitter legit say something along the lines of "I don't care if it's terrible, it's gonna be a 10/10 regardless." Like...huh?
@infinityesq.4226
Жыл бұрын
Bro its Mario!! MARIO!! Mama mia! My childhood!!! am i right?
@idocohen853
Жыл бұрын
I'm 17 and love a lot of "kids" content (mainly cartoons) because it can be quiet enjoyable and also have complexity and depth. So I had some expectations for the Mario movie and it failed me, it has very little of that. It doesen't make it illegal to enjoy it, it's good for kids and for people playing and liking the Mario franchise. Different people have *objectively* different taste, the discussion isn't "subjective" but also can't be about wether it's *universally* good or bad, it has objective upsides and downsides and it's up to you to decide how much each of them matters (I personally have a hard time appreciating the upsides here if you are not a Mario gamer though...).
@TheHaigisawsome
Жыл бұрын
Bro just wait until the FNAF movie, that’s when WW3 will start.
@locomotivetrainstation6053
Жыл бұрын
WW3 is the threequel nobody asked for
@trufoosxd
Жыл бұрын
@Blended Circuit honestly I feel like the references in the movie will be more suddle, where in the Mario movie it felt like they were shoving it in my face.
@scottchaison1001
Жыл бұрын
@@trufoosxd Don't say stupid things, the references we're well done in the movie.
@trufoosxd
Жыл бұрын
@@scottchaison1001 listen dude I know your hobby is to annoy people, but that won't make your father come back, because that is my opinion on how I think of the references in both movies
@sailormermaidix24
Жыл бұрын
While i did enjoyed the film, the movie did lack a storyline and characterization. What many fans of franchise forget to understand that writing is the core of any medium. It can make or break a story. Stories, while can be entertaining, provides a lesson, a message. In the beginning it looked like it was going in that direction but then it got abandoned by focusing too much on references of the game. Sometimes we need to take off our nostalgia lens to properly analyze and critique things. That's how we learn from our mistakes and grow from it. There’s a reason why many of our favorite shows and movies we grew up as kids and those before our time were so memorable is because the creator or writers put effort and care into it and wanted to provide us lessons about life.
@DefinitiveDubs
Жыл бұрын
Here's the thing: I *am* a Mario fan. Galaxy is my favorite game of all time. Odyssey's probably in my top 10. I liked Lost Levels, I consider NSMBU the best 2D game, I love the RPGs, the sports titles are some of the only sports games I've ever played, I like Party, I like Kart, and in 2014 I did the most autistic thing ever and wrote a chronological timeline theory for the series. If the movie is full of fanservice, then why did I, as a fan, not feel like he was being serviced? It's almost like a movie needs to be more than eye candy. It needs to tell a fucking story. But the problem isn't that the plot was paper-thin. Everyone says that, but that's not the real issue. The issue is that even the paper-thin plot they were trying to tell wasn't told very well. It sucked at what it was trying to be.
@BirdsandGhibliFan
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for perfectly explaining the main issue lots of people have with this film. I don’t mind the Mario movie having a simple story, despite what some Mario fanatics might think, but the execution of that story is the issue. I also think some people use the simple story as an excuse for the writers to not try to expound upon their story, since the “kids movie” excuse has been rightfully mocked to oblivion, or as a distraction/red herring so as to not address the real issue(s) people have with the film. So, they look for the next easy excuse to write off obvious flaws in the film, like the pacing or confusing character dynamics. So, while I don’t think the Mario movie needs to have Oscar-bait material in order to be good, I believe that the movie had the potential to stand out even with a simple story, given how there’s lots of rich stories in the RPGs plus the many examples of films attempting to leave a memorable impression on the audience even with a simple story or concept.
@mysticdigital5936
Жыл бұрын
I'm a Mario fan and it is absolutely stupid to pretend ANY movie or game is perfect or immune to criticism. You like it and don't have a problem with it? Good for you. I thought it was awful. The casting alone showed how little they cared, using celebrities instead of the usual VAs or at least actual VAs. You can shove as many visual references into a movie as possible, and yeah I'll say "that's neat"or "I get that," but that alone does not make a good movie. Mario doesnt need a complex plot, but it has and CAN have them. The plot honestly is fine on paper, but the dialogue, music choices, casting, all of it just sinks it for me.
@saint_squared525
Жыл бұрын
Same here
@trufoosxd
Жыл бұрын
Ye, this pretty much sums it up
@BirdsandGhibliFan
Жыл бұрын
I agree with your point on the casting. I think the only actors in the cast who have at least some experience in voice acting beyond just one or two animated films are Seth Rogen, Jack Black and Kevin Michael Richardson, but even then, I felt like their performances (as Donkey Kong, Bowser, and Kamek, respectively) were disappointing and underwhelming as well, in my honest opinion.
@ciscovaiese7535
Жыл бұрын
Agreed the plot sounds good on paper but terrible when put to film and the celebritie casting yeah that didn't work for scoob when they had a celebrity voicing captain caveman with a normal voice
@TheDigitalApple
Жыл бұрын
Chris Pratt 100% deserves an apology from the internet. He did a fantastic job as Mario! Christ is Toon trying to assassinate my ears with that Gangsters Paradise sfx?
@cedialive2759
Жыл бұрын
I blame Illumination for that card. They did it with the Lorax. XD
@obara7366
Жыл бұрын
Honestly, the editors of the trailer are the ones who owe him an apology. Picked his worst take.
@silashurd3597
Жыл бұрын
Agreed!👍
@Aisubun
Жыл бұрын
He was definitely trying a lot more than I thought he would but I still find it to be a case of miscasting. So I apologize for assuming it would be insufferable but I don't for thinking it was a strange casting decision.
@salmonsashimi1330
Жыл бұрын
@@Aisubun agreed
@cedialive2759
Жыл бұрын
Wait, hold the phone! I thought the general consensus was that the story was pretty barebones and the pacing was too fast for its own good.
@Avaitor_YT
Жыл бұрын
Yea, but that really is my only problem with the movie. And I don't think it really needed a deep story. But the pacing could have definitely been slower.
@indiscretixn
Жыл бұрын
I remember I used to have the same mentality when it comes to Rotten Tomato critics, but then I started to read into them for some films and began to realize how most of their reviews are level-headed and neutral. Although they do get it wrong sometimes, it's not close to the amount of times that I initially thought before. Good vid, Cartoonshi 🙏
@smellydot1233
Жыл бұрын
I wish that there were more original Mario songs instead of pop songs. The Luma with the trumpet at the end was genuinely touching, wish we could’ve had more stuff like that
@Diet_sprite
Жыл бұрын
I'm all for criticism for valid reasons but for people who cry about the Mario movie having Mario game references should know thats it takes place in the Mario world
@icecreamhero2375
Жыл бұрын
Lord forbid a movie be faithful to the source material.
@staringcorgi6475
Жыл бұрын
@@icecreamhero2375 the inverse happened with the crappy live action one
@arturferrao7353
Жыл бұрын
Every movie or serie based on a videogame is full of references to it. And they all, except the two animated Mario movies, had a story on top of that.
@arturferrao7353
Жыл бұрын
@@staringcorgi6475 "the inverse happened with the crappy live action one" Let me guess... You never watched it. Right?
@staringcorgi6475
Жыл бұрын
@@arturferrao7353 it had little to do with mario other than a names and weird character designs that hardly resembled the characters every marip fan back than and now agreed that it was a load of rubbish everybody back than associated mario with fun platforming and vibrant graphics that wasn’t it
@SomeoneNooneTomatoes
Жыл бұрын
It kinda hurt me since I went in expecting a damn good story using the Mario cast. Most of the games have a pretty bare bones plot so I thought in the movie the writers were going to pull out a creative story with the wackiness that is the Mario universe. Now to sound condescending but the part I was looking forward to just wasn’t there. It also didn’t help that I had dropped out of the hardcore fan faze a year prior.
@JeremyBX
Жыл бұрын
this might be off topic but I always hated the excuse: *"Just turn your brain off to enjoy the film"*. So then what's the point. No one expects Arcane-level writing from Illumination or etc., but that doesn't validate an underwhelming presentation (not talking about the Mario Movie, just bad films in general). There's always a different mode of expectations based on what the film claims it will deliver, along with general expectations, and "just turn off your brain and have fun" isn't one of them imo. As a Mario Fan since 2004, this film ascended me, but as a private movie-goer critic... I see how correct I was to delete my twitter. To overgeneralize, the overhype/backlash comes mostly from bored high schoolers.
@BirdsandGhibliFan
Жыл бұрын
I thought I was the only one that thought this phrase was a little stupid. I’m glad to be proven wrong in this regard. I’m autistic and have ADHD (I also suffer from intermittent insomnia possibly as a result of these conditions), so with an overactive brain like mine, it’s hard for me to turn my brain off even when I’m not watching a movie. In my opinion, the only way I can turn my brain off to watch a movie is if I’m heavily sedated, under the influence of alcohol, or if the film is boring me to tears so much that I’m falling asleep.
@zxjacksterxz
Ай бұрын
They forget that by turning off your brain, you essentially just ignore every flaw the movie may or may not have, regardless of it's general quality.
@Rogueliker
Жыл бұрын
Worst things invented in humanity: - Nuclear bombs - Marvel Cinemaic Universe (look at the state cinema was when the MCU was at peak) - The "Woke" word And many many more...
@Gustyguy
Жыл бұрын
DONT FORGET FACCSIM AND NAZISM AND THE WHOLE 3RD REICH!!!!!!!!!
@olafgawowski7582
Жыл бұрын
Cartoonish and whole internet: *Makes tons of videos bout movie* My country: Yea... we'll let that movie into ours theathers from 26th of May... yea wait more and dont understand the context of movie
@ohno5559
Жыл бұрын
Imagine getting upset that even though a majority of movie critics liked an animated video game adaptation, the majority wasn't large enough to meet some website's arbitrary standard.
@MillyKKitty
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for talking about this issue. It's sometimes hard to read about movies when the discussion is either blindly hateful or blindly loving and no inbetween. For example, I liked the Puss and Boots movie but the love for it puts down other Studio movies and puts Dreamworks on a high pedestal. I also share the same absolute dislike to all the blaming of a movie's success or failure to "wokeness" or "anti-wokeness". Most recent example of a failure was Disney's Strange World, and oh did people blame its story flaws on the fact it had been spent on "woke agenda". People genuinely believing that make me fall down several mental stairs of exhaustion and I hate the fact I ever watched Yellowflash and the Quartering during the Vic fiasco, when it is so clear they have absolutely no idea what they are talking about nowadays.
@tombolt13thexehanort29
Жыл бұрын
According to my informant, strange world was woke, it's entire point was merely to push an agenda, that being normalizing gayness and an extremely poorly designed and preachy environmental message. Really is just like ferngully, but somehow less deep (ferngully is as shallow as a kiddy pool) and more preachy with an added gayness.
@mrlaz9011
Жыл бұрын
Raya and strange world share the same reason for failing: they were both undercooked and unappealing stories that received little to no marketing.
@tombolt13thexehanort29
Жыл бұрын
@@mrlaz9011 that, unappealing stories, is a side effect of being woke, they (at least strange world) existed merely to push an agenda, so nothing was made due to inspiration to tell a compelling story (most modern disney movies suffer from this), so everything was shallow. Raya just was trying to do (like Encanto) too much and was more fitting to be a tv show (Raya and Encanto would have been better if they were TV shows). It was not even the case that they were undercooked, I think the director (of Raya) was probably just not very competent (Encanto's director did fine). Yeah the world and concepts were underdeveloped, but I think for different reasons, one was lack of inspiration (the only reason strange world exists was for the director to push an agenda, not tell a story). The other (Raya) was a mix of what you said and just an incompetent director.
@ravindupadmanath2802
Жыл бұрын
@@tombolt13thexehanort29 ....i was with you..... on the first 3 WORDS of you comment and then stop taking you seriously when you said "side effect of being woke" XDDDDD
@jatorihicks5582
Жыл бұрын
@@tombolt13thexehanort29 How do you know the movie was made to push an agenda?
@dadadadeadgirl5602
Жыл бұрын
Just to nitpick about that person praising illumination for "caring about the money" as if it's a good thing, they are stupid. Your praising an animation studio who have the most lackluster and mediocre filmography in the whole world compared to other animation studios. Hell, them caring more about money is WHY their films are mid because they don't bother to try since they already know their generic products will give them lots of money. That is not a good mindset. 💀
@BirdsandGhibliFan
Жыл бұрын
Ditto. My favorite animation studio is Studio Ghibli, and I have a book about the studio and its filmography. There is a page that summarizes the studio’s history, and one paragraph starts by saying, “Ghibli’s goal was to make high-quality movies, and maintaining and developing the company was secondary.” I can feel that ethos and philosophy a lot when watching their films. With Illumination, not so much. Also, I feel like if Illumination can easily make boatloads of money at the box office, they should at least invest some of that money into their future projects. Also, their budgets for their films aren’t as bloated compared to their competitors, like Pixar and Disney, so really, what’s their excuse to be cheap and complacent?
@splegoon4289
Жыл бұрын
Nintendo fans and Sonic fans are really one in the same now that I think about it.
@kadan2889
Жыл бұрын
It's almost funny how the toxic-positivity crowd can't seem wrap their head around personal tastes - whether it be genre, story beats, etc etc.
@gustavju4686
Жыл бұрын
Yeah. Same for the debbie downers. It's neither the best nor the worst movie.
@lingricen8077
5 ай бұрын
I find that people like you who make comments like that tend to be the people who can’t handle opposing views.
@Random_User666
Жыл бұрын
That’s Nintendo fans for you. You make ONE criticism about something in regards to a franchise they love and they will start attacking you and defend the product like it’s no end.
@stopmob1097
Жыл бұрын
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@scottchaison1001
Жыл бұрын
@@stopmob1097 Frn't
@stopmob1097
Жыл бұрын
@@scottchaison1001 wdym it’s true and I’m a Nintendo fan be honest you know it’s true
@road_3838
Жыл бұрын
I really don’t understand the "argument" that "but the game had a bare-bones plot too." It’s like saying a game had badly written characters, so its adoption can’t have good characters.
@wackypenguin94
Жыл бұрын
I have to say, it's the okayiest movie, could be liked by everyone and nothing really terrible, the story is pretty fast and straight forward, little guy gets sent to another dimension and shows people it's not the size or popularity that makes the person, it's the courage, it's a solid 5/10 for people that don't know Mario for the alright story, amazing animation and great foght scenes and fun characters, and 7/10 for Mario fans for it being a pretty spot on mario movie
@self-absorbed5269
Жыл бұрын
The reason they have such a brittle reaction "It's just for Mario fans" is simple. They slammed games like Sonic Mania for targeting people who are nostalgia blind. And this only proves that they have been targeted as well. And in their minds , a target is a life long sucker , it's a weakness they would rather deny.
@josedelapinio
10 ай бұрын
If its a kidsmovie, then why fill it with references to games 99% of todays kids wont even know.
@Theagentofchaos-r5q
6 ай бұрын
Probably for the adults to be like hey I remember that.
@BirdsandGhibliFan
5 ай бұрын
Also, licensed pop music from the 80’s that most kids won’t know.
@devinsauls9137
Жыл бұрын
This is even WORSE than the Sonic Movie 2 criticism fiasco and I was there when it happened! 😱
@retrofan4963
Жыл бұрын
Like how lot of Sonic fans act like Arlo is oppose of the Sonic franchise and "jealous" of Sonic fanbase getting good Sonic content just because he doesn't like Sonic Movie 2? I remember.
@Ninja_4561
Жыл бұрын
17:33 That "MARIO GONE WOKE!?!🤢🤮" thumbnail was from a meme video I made as a joke
@machovalkarie7896
Жыл бұрын
Lmao 😂
@smithandsuperdeadeyeofthew823
10 ай бұрын
Mario fans are just insecure and toxic
@Mr_bukowski4435
Жыл бұрын
Thank god someone who actually had a level headed take on the movie is talking about the toxic behavior this movie got. I loved the movie but I’m not one to go out of my way to diss people who didn’t like it
@scottchaison1001
Жыл бұрын
Hi.
@mr.funtime967
Жыл бұрын
The funniest thing, Disney did congrats Illumination and Nintendo for reaching $1 Billion Dollars
@wideeyedwiseguy7492
Жыл бұрын
There’s like at least 7 Mario games that have a more creative and engaging story than the movie. I like the movie enough but I don’t understand why people feel the need to undersell the source material to prop it up.
@retrofan4963
Жыл бұрын
Pretty funny it's the Mario fans who undersell the Mario franchise to "defend" this movie lol
@BirdsandGhibliFan
10 ай бұрын
@@retrofan4963 The fans shoot themselves in the foot when they make lapses of self-awareness like this. It’s almost like they’re saying, “The games are nothing special, so why do you have such lofty expectations about the film?” without realizing that they are making a backhanded statement about the movie as a result.
@mikhaelgribkov4117
Жыл бұрын
As I brought in comment section to original video: Lego Movie is peak example of how you can make a compelling narative by just using main cores and symbols of brand. Back in the 2014 when Dishonored 2 having female lead was expected with no controversy and everyone with leak of media analysis knew Joel gonna die in sequel, most people rightfully pointed how Lego Movie should be the prime example of how you do the brand driven movies for kids. The issue being that now everyone is Big Brother who rewrites history to make Mario Movie being even close in it's storytelling to Lego Movie.
@brickdarg6750
Жыл бұрын
I went back and forth so much on whether I thought I should watch it, and I'm glad I did, but I'd be lying if I said it left a major impression on me a week after viewing it. It was fun, I'd maybe rewatch it, but it wasn't a masterpiece, unlike something like Puss in Boots The Last Wish or Marcel, the Shell with Shoes On. I'm of the belief that all "kids" media is bad, because only kids can enjoy it. I don't think of Toy Story or How to Train Your Dragon as "kids movies", I just think of them as movies. And so while I don't think Mario is a kids movie, since it's a movie with a wider appeal than that, I'd be completely lying if I said it was a masterpiece that will permanently stand the test of time. I honestly can't remember the last time I saw this much of a whiny childish temper tantrum of a response to negative criticism, and it makes me eternally grateful that I don't use Twitter and that I wisened up and stopped following the channels you mentioned at the end, since that was not a healthy period for my mental state during that time. Once again proving why you're one of my personal favorite movie reviewers, I don't agree with every take but you keep a level head when reviewing media, and that's all I want.
@BirdsandGhibliFan
Жыл бұрын
I was pretty annoyed when I saw people on my side of the political aisle using this film as some own or takedown on Disney. Just because the film doesn’t have a gay character or something doesn’t make it an “anti-woke” film, especially when the film is not even political at all. SMH Much of this culture war nonsense is causing a sort of psychosis in some people on both sides, and I’m glad I’m largely not invested in it as some other people. As I’ve said in another comment, it’s gotten to the point where I’m fatigued and indifferent with much of political discourse.
@scottchaison1001
Жыл бұрын
Puss in Boots 2 isn't a masterpiece either.
@BirdsandGhibliFan
Жыл бұрын
@@scottchaison1001 How does that invalidate the OP’s opinion in any way? If you think the Mario movie is a masterpiece and that “Puss In Boots: The Last Wish” is not, that’s totally fine. But, you are not the arbiter of what other people should and should not find as masterpieces.
@greentea7180
Жыл бұрын
My favorite part of all this is when websites like Rotten Tomatoes and IMDB claim they are removing negative reviews under the guise of review bombing. Yet all the bots/people giving the movie a 10 and blindly loving it are allowed to stay. Thus reinforcing the echo chamber of toxic positivity, leading to droves of people being absolute cuntish ninnies on the internet. People say why care about RT or imdb but the problem is those websites, for better or worse (definitely worse) are used as a metric of success, movies that get "good" ratings make more money and are more likely to be used as a template for future movies. We the viewers need a fair field to criticize movies, and our criticism is valid and should be on display (COUGH youtube downvotes being removed). Yes people abuse their ability to criticize topics, yet people also abuse the ability to shield a topic with toxic positivity and other bad faith arguments.
@DarthJoshReturns
Жыл бұрын
Remember when we loved The Force Awakens for about a week until we started complaining about the nostalgia pandering? Why does Mario get a pass for that?
@scottchaison1001
Жыл бұрын
Because the Mario Movie is actually a good movie.
@DarthJoshReturns
Жыл бұрын
@@scottchaison1001 We said the same thing about The Force Awakens.
@BirdsandGhibliFan
Жыл бұрын
@@DarthJoshReturns It’s crazy how the fan response in defense of both “The Force Awakens” and the Mario movie are pretty much the same. In both cases, the fans hardly defend the movie on its own merits, but instead attack people for criticizing the film, simp for the lead actor and make said actor out to be the victim, and exploit the film for political purposes. Plus, much of the defense seems to be nostalgia-driven brand loyalty more than anything else.
@blackbeast9268
Жыл бұрын
even as a mario fan, love mario 64 and the hat game and have so many hours in mario maker, the fact they need to call the movie "super mario MOVIE" shows that they know this isnt a good movie, just like the emoji movie. if you need to mention that a movie is a movie, it probably sucks. its literally like date movie, epic movie and disaster movie. its just refrences and nothing else and it has to remind you that its a movie. if i want refrences, i would play the games . this is blatant nostalgia baiting and deserves no money, dont make a movie if it has no plot, this is yet another bad videogame movie the visuals are beatiful and the animations feels very alive (bowser felt weird tho), probably fun if you take some mushrooms or acid, but thats it. its like new COD games or most triple A. sure the visuals / graphics are good but thats not a substitute for other stuff its like they recorded gameplay with OSB and then animated it with CGI. And yes the movie looks beatiful, but thats it
@Rymaja
Жыл бұрын
Just waiting for the inevitable war over the fnaf movie being good or not, That’s gonna be even worse…
@ArbitraryOutcome
10 ай бұрын
History is repeating itself with the FNAF movie.
@Butwhythough881
Жыл бұрын
This is probably my favorite video when it comes to the whole Mario movie debacle. It’s a shame that most people can’t think of feedback or criticism as more than just “Positive = good, Negative = bad.” And I know that people try to argue “it goes both ways. People who liked the movie also get bashed.” The thing is though is that cynical people, especially the political folks like Geeks and Gamers, are already bad apples to begin with and are way more niche than those who project toxic positivity because the former are purposefully looking for a reaction. Don’t get me wrong, toxicity will always be wrong but you can’t argue with me that both are even remotely equal, and especially not just in the Nintendo fanspace. I want to see Nintendo and Illumination improve in a sequel while also seeing Miyamoto being more open to the prospect of Mario having more substantial stories like the RPG titles. However, that likely won’t be possible with this discourse.
@tristanmichels5721
Жыл бұрын
13:40 Ey, I posted that tweet! Also, very good video by the way. As someone who genuinely loves The Super Mario Bros. Movie, I acknowledge that it does have its faults, and, like the video itself said, if you dislike it, that is absolutely fine. But I really wish so many who did so would just let those accept that they didn't like the film and just, well, move on.
@Al1701
Жыл бұрын
The criticism about the story is actually something Illumination probably wants because they understand they can't do this again. Another movie that relies on references with little character growth and a thin story will not cut it for a sequel. Hopefully, the success of this film will allow for the story team to be less shackled next time or with other adaptations. Because they were shackled. Concept art has leaked of Toadsworth and Toadette being in the movie along with crowds of toads who were clearly male and female. I also believe things like Peach's past and Donkey Kong's relationship with his father would have gotten more concentration if Miyamoto had not insisted on the plot remaining light like the games. It was all they could do to have Luigi be the one captured instead of Peach which was the right call.
@scottchaison1001
Жыл бұрын
There's nothing wrong with the story being simple like in most of the games, especially since it's the first movie. And the movie doesn't just relies on the references, the movie stands on its own, if you don't know anything about Mario the movie would still be very enjoyable. And Peach and DK were great, I don't know what you're talking about.
@eeg-rh7jv
Жыл бұрын
@@scottchaison1001I legit got bored halfway through watching the movie lmao. Its a generic movie with the name mario in it
@scottchaison1001
Жыл бұрын
@@eeg-rh7jv "Lmao" = Invalid opinion.
@eeg-rh7jv
Жыл бұрын
@@scottchaison1001 Good to know you have no actual arguments
@scottchaison1001
Жыл бұрын
@@eeg-rh7jv It's not like you made a good argument in the first place, so don't project yourself, mate.
@smartistepicness
24 күн бұрын
I know I’m a whole year late to this debacle but this video perfectly sums up the double standard of Mario Movie defenders. They say it’s absolute peak cinema but if you criticize any aspect of the film, they switch up and say it’s a dumb kids movie that’s not meant to be taken seriously.
@emmanuelmondesir
Жыл бұрын
I don’t like this movie. Carried by references. Beautiful animation tho.
@who-ny5oe
Жыл бұрын
I like this movie. I respect your opinion and won't call you an idiot for not likeing it.
@coooooooooooooooorn
Жыл бұрын
I'm so glad there are people out there that aren't complete fucking retards
@BIGTHANKSHEESH
9 ай бұрын
@@who-ny5oe we need more Mario fans like you
@yonderjam
Жыл бұрын
I agree that the story is not that well developed despite enjoying the Mario movie. I doubt the twitter users even read the reviews, but I'd be happy to see people who did.
@someguy7777
Жыл бұрын
as a horror fan. it's kind of funny seeing how the movie's defenders can't calm down over an ok score to an ok movie while horror fans sat in silence as horror movies got much worse scores for years
@ihavespoken9871
Жыл бұрын
0:05 my guy, the Mario games have more of a plot than the lego brand, and The Lego Movie was still somehow able to be a better film.
@schedark
Жыл бұрын
Yeah. All it takes is a good writer who can make everything out of nothing
@leob4403
Ай бұрын
@@schedarkand there are Mario games with long plot that are good like Mario RPG
@BenJPics9925
Жыл бұрын
People who use the term "It's a kids movie" when criticizing an animated film are part of the reason why Trolls is getting 7 sequels while Milo Murphy's Law is stuck at 1 season.
@DanielsProductions11channel
Жыл бұрын
There was 2 seasons of Milo Murphy's Law
@BenJPics9925
Жыл бұрын
@@DanielsProductions11channel You knew what I meant.
@joaquinm9148
Жыл бұрын
Wait, So *WE’RE NOT EVEN HALFWAY DONE WITH THE TROLLS FRANCHISE???!!!*
@BirdsandGhibliFan
Жыл бұрын
@@joaquinm9148 I think the 7 sequels are hyperbolic for levity’s sake, but his point is that the people using “it’s a kid’s movie” to defend an animated film are why most major animation studios rely on franchises and sequels (or in this case, an advertisement for a video game with not much substance) instead of taking risks and being creative, which they should do.
@joaquinm9148
Жыл бұрын
@@BenJPics9925 Ok
@kylecrofts1639
Жыл бұрын
10:20 Ironically enough, I've seen the Rotten Tomatoes scores for the Paw Patrol movie and everyone loves that film. Which just makes the fact that there are people having a panic attack over negative Mario movie reviews even funnier.
@scottchaison1001
Жыл бұрын
So the critics loved the Paw Patrol Movie but not the Mario Movie? That's pretty stupid.
@Avaitor_YT
Жыл бұрын
THE PAW PATROL MOVIE!? those critics definitely have COMPLETELY different opinions than me.
@lizardlord4k
Жыл бұрын
I feel like I'm one of the few people who understood the references in the movie, and have been a Mario fan for basically my entire life, but still didn't care for the movie. And it's frusterating that I can't actually voice that in any meaningful way without people assuming I just didn't like it because it wasn't made by Pixar or whatever
@saint_squared525
Жыл бұрын
Honestly, I’m on the same boat too.
@BirdsandGhibliFan
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I agree. I think the fans misconstrue when people compare this movie to other animated films (which are fair points to be made against the film) and act as if those people are putting the film on an unrealistically high standard to have the same quality as those films, which are not the same thing. In fact, it seems like the people acting as if this movie should be on the same wavelength as an Oscar-winning Scorsese-like masterpiece (or wanting the film to be one in a wishful thinking kind of way) are the fans themselves, and are projecting by saying to others, “Oh, you’re expecting this to be like Pixar or like an Oscar-winning film!”, especially when no one has even mentioned that it should be like those types of films except the fans themselves.
@owo4288
Жыл бұрын
It's the case where a dish look good but doesn't taste good.
@traviscunningham7062
Жыл бұрын
Pixar makes bad movies nowadays. Look at Lightyear and Turning Red
@owo4288
Жыл бұрын
@@traviscunningham7062 I would put Toy Story 4 as the example instead of Turning Red. God I don't want to know what they are going to pull for the 5th one.
@Tomorrow64
Жыл бұрын
Nintendo fanboys be gatekeeping criticism like it a bad thing.
@shadow_spite7121
Жыл бұрын
This is very similarly how I feel about the owl house. It’s a fine show, but man the fans are absolutely crazy. You can’t critique that show one bit without the fans rushing to defend it. They are so defensive it’s actually crazy. I get that the show was shortened, but I should still be able to critique things wrong with it, minus pacing issues cause those are understandable. The shortening made people act like you can’t critique the show at all
@niteriemcfarlane5285
Жыл бұрын
nah screw the owl house fandom and screw the mid owl house show this is not the same mario movie has some reasons for getting defended
@BirdsandGhibliFan
Жыл бұрын
@@niteriemcfarlane5285 Regardless of how you feel about “The Owl House”, you pretty much proved the point that the OP was making that the Mario fandom is just as bad and reflexively defensive as “The Owl House” fandom.
@supercamborg4218
Жыл бұрын
First of all, this video is so cathartic to listen to, dealing with fans of the movie has been super exhausting. Secondly as a fan of the RPGs I feel like they absolutely had the stuff they needed to make a good story for a movie with the Mario series, at least one with more engaging characters. The Mario world has so much potential in the medium of film, but (especially unsurprising since it was Illumination at the helm) the film just felt so soulless and like one of the safest things they could’ve done for a Mario Movie. I really hope they don’t have illumination work on other Nintendo series for films because I don’t want them to get this treatment.
@quangamershyguyyz7166
Жыл бұрын
I think it’s a good idea for Illumination to work on films based on games like Donkey Kong or Splatoon, since those are more kind of their style.
@scottchaison1001
Жыл бұрын
People hate Illumination for no reason.
@supercamborg4218
Жыл бұрын
@@quangamershyguyyz7166 trust me, the more you know about Splatoon the more you’ll learn that it’s not a good fit. Also I’ve accepted that a DK film is most likely inevitable, but that doesn’t mean I’m happy about it. It’ll most likely be another passable at best film when there’s potential for something way better.
@supercamborg4218
Жыл бұрын
@@scottchaison1001 it’s because they make mid, and people like you can’t accept critique towards stuff you like.
@BirdsandGhibliFan
Жыл бұрын
@@scottchaison1001 Have you watched every Illumination film and liked all of them? Or did you just assume that all of Illumination’s films are good because you saw and liked one film of theirs they made? If you have seen all of their films and liked them (or liked at least most of them), that’s fine. If not, it’s rather foolish to make a rash judgment like that on the quality of a film studio’s entire body of work just because they happened to make one film that you like. Also, it’s not entirely true that people unjustly hate Illumination. Most critics and audiences loved the original “Despicable Me”, and even still, critics and audiences alike had a little more than a lukewarm reception to some of their work, like the “Sing” franchise, for instance. Putting the controversy of the Mario movie aside, outside of the other films I mentioned, I think there is a more united consensus between critics and audiences that the rest of Illumination’s work is less-than-stellar.
@devofficialchannel
Жыл бұрын
Admittedly, as someone who like the film and think that it at least fulfills the bare minimum of a Mario movie, I barely even trust critics AND audience scores on Rotten Tomatoes since they don't actually describe a film's quality and more of a summary of reviews taken. Also, critics DO like kids' movies and simple stories as justified by The Bad Guys and Captain Underpants being aimed at younger viewers and having very basic plots getting high critics and audience scores. I am just grateful that at least it's not the live-action film from the 90s (though I do like it for all the ironic reasons) or another "Ugly Sonic" situation.
@OmarAlikaj
Жыл бұрын
No, you're right. The Mario movie is quite enjoyable, but it could have been improved on. From my experience, it could've used a lot more of Luigi, as well as Lumalee being a waste-of-space much to our confusion. It's not 5/10, but it's definitely not 9/10 either. I thought it was 7/10, same thought I had for "Super Mario 3D Land," which had a basic plot and painfully lack of voice acting even in the climax.
@Avaitor_YT
Жыл бұрын
So... About 3D land, I don't think it needed any voice acting and it was a Mario game so, I don't really know what you expected with the story. Definitely a 7/10 game for me but I don't personally have the same reasons.
@locomotivetrainstation6053
Жыл бұрын
I think 8/10 personally
@pepearown4968
Жыл бұрын
Lumalee wasn’t that annoying, honestly. He only spoke like 4 times, all of which seemed to be rather spaced out. I think the biggest issue with him is that his inclusion feels a bit too ambiguous. Why was he captured by Bowser? I can’t tell if it’s foreshadowing for a sequel, or they just didn’t have ideas for him.
@jmann531
Жыл бұрын
The fact that this is still drama makes me sad.
@YourMom-uk8cu
Жыл бұрын
I thought it died down weeks ago
@HopefulBlue
Жыл бұрын
It's hilarious how people are still using "it's just for kids" cope when there have been dozens of "kids" movies that have actual substance through out the years. People are too insecure to just like a movie because they had a good time watching it, they need it to be masterpiece and receive universal praise. It's pathetic.
@scottchaison1001
Жыл бұрын
There's nothing wrong with a movie being simple.
@HopefulBlue
Жыл бұрын
@@scottchaison1001 exactly
@Wandermidget
Жыл бұрын
I love how the Mario movie is simultaneously the "wokest" and "most anti-woke" movie out currently all depending if the people you don't like, doesn't like the movie or vice-versa.
@MacGolfball
Жыл бұрын
Another banger video, toonshi. At this point, this controversy comes from the immense popularity of the movie from its success. It is obvious at this point that the movie makes plenty enough sense when your familiar with the games, but has shaky and unpolished writing. So people don't want to comment on everything else because the video game aspect of the movie was really good? THEN THE MOVIE IS JUST A VIDEO GAME??? MOVIES AREN'T SUPPOSED TO BE GAMES??? THEY HAVE STORY?? I'm out
@scottchaison1001
Жыл бұрын
The movie is good, stop exaggerating.
@MacGolfball
Жыл бұрын
@Scott Chaison I can have complaints if I want to bruh lmao. Movie wasn't perfect but I still really enjoyed it. That was the point of the video
@BirdsandGhibliFan
Жыл бұрын
@@scottchaison1001 Someone pointing out the blind praise the film is getting is exaggerating? Do you know what the word means, or did you post the same copy-and-pasted comment in response to comments that are critical of the film without even reading any of them?
@TPLS2
Жыл бұрын
Here’s my take. The first movie is the biggest example of building a world showing off every possible location, for future entries. I disliked the featured songs that weren’t Nintendo songs. Especially the ones that were replacing the far better songs by Brian Tyler. But it’s also Nintendo they won’t be putting the crap other companies have been putting in their movies. I can see how when most of every movie that come out today is pushing an agenda with its characters and other things. So seeing parents are rating this movie so highly is because this movie is what parents want, a simple known brand that they trust. Parents trust the games for their kids to play being safe to play for kids. So many parents will bandwagon on this because it is basically a Mario game in movie form. Simple as that.
@OK-wm2mr
8 ай бұрын
What do you mean by pushing an agenda?
@chonkbonk-ue4uh
Жыл бұрын
"How much gangstas paradise do you want in your video" Cartoonshi: "Yes"
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