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It's simple, aipom was born in 2000, and by Gen 7's release he became too old to order from the kid's menu
@grunkleg.3110
29 күн бұрын
Too old to order off the kid's menu?!
@justanoreo2.0
29 күн бұрын
Oh no he can't get c h e e s e b u r b g u r
@BungBusMonkeSucks
29 күн бұрын
Too old for minecraft youtubers 😢😢
@asuuki2048
29 күн бұрын
I still order off of it lol. Basically every place will let you, it’s just that they *say* you can’t on the menu.
@MyHandleIsAplaceholder
29 күн бұрын
Magnemite is older but it's not banned
@garretthopkins7035
29 күн бұрын
3:53...and so it is revealed that Freezai does not copy-paste.
@magicfish8213
29 күн бұрын
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO0OOOO
@p.zansei3280
29 күн бұрын
@@magicfish8213it's okay, dividing Zero by a number and dividing by zero are NOT the same thing. The universe is still okay❤
@Avatarbee
29 күн бұрын
@@p.zansei3280jup there is just a 1/16 chance that the attack deals no damage.
@jellifii
29 күн бұрын
And that begs the question, how does one split zero into ninety five groups?
@Avatarbee
29 күн бұрын
@@jellifii Easy. You split it into 95 groups that contain nothing.
@madysonandres9571
29 күн бұрын
The fact that it didn't get Tail Slap until gen 7 is ridiculous.
@Anthonyvideogame
29 күн бұрын
And they fact it lost it in Gen 9 is even more ridiculous
@silliercrayon9588
29 күн бұрын
Well, wasn't Tail Slap exclusive to Minccino?
@zotanica
29 күн бұрын
@@silliercrayon9588crazy that the pokemon with a hand on his tail doesn’t have it
@tomatogenesis
29 күн бұрын
@@silliercrayon9588No move is really exclusive as long as there's another Pokémon that could be perfectly fitted to learn it. Also they literally turned Rillaboom's into a TM so you could also say that the argument's kinda up in the air today
@TiagoODuelista
29 күн бұрын
Tbf, the japanese name is "Sweep Slap" with makes more sense as a Cinccino signature, as their tails are basically brooms to sweep dirt and dust off.
@fluffyycactus2396
29 күн бұрын
i love little cup math, its so goofy
@wizzlepants1274
24 күн бұрын
Shout out to 19 hp life orb
@jahnkeem2875
29 күн бұрын
PMD fans 🤝 Little Cup players knowing the horrors of multi-hit moves
@Athanatos3301
29 күн бұрын
God I remember Sky Tower and all the multi-hit and speed-boosting monsters inside. Aerodactyl was the bane of my existence.
@drchunkalicious
29 күн бұрын
memories unlocked
@PedroMartinez-xx1zp
29 күн бұрын
@@Athanatos3301 Bullet Seed topples even the sky god
@screwtokaiba
29 күн бұрын
@@PedroMartinez-xx1zpit helps that the formula for effective multiplier was more generous in PMD. Like Stab not very effective is stronger than super effective no stabs One of the reason why Meganium despite having plenty of bad match up in it is one of the strongest Purity Forest runner. The other being its insanely godly stats
@PedroMartinez-xx1zp
29 күн бұрын
@@screwtokaiba Yeah, resistance is 0.7 in MD, so a 0.25 becomes 0.49. With stab, it becomes slightly more powerful than base resistance at 0.735. But I don't need math to figure out Razor Leaf + Bullet Seed with Scope Lens equals a very powerful leaf Dino.
@june9914
29 күн бұрын
Aipom is the most prolific war criminal and has avoided all consequences
@angeldiselatcia
29 күн бұрын
@@tamarindsOr American.
@sayanmridha4244
29 күн бұрын
So apom is Hamas or Iran 🙃
@khub5660
29 күн бұрын
How did yall manage to make a video about Pokémon political? Yall disgust me
@june9914
29 күн бұрын
@@khub5660 nuh uh
@usernametaken017
29 күн бұрын
"avoided all consequences" my ass, he got banned from little cup
@Cardb33
29 күн бұрын
This is such an interesting and cool explanation of how the damage mechanics work in Little Cup. You did an amazing job explaining it in an understandable way.
@kurenian
29 күн бұрын
Mystery dungeon, Little Cup, and Cloyster: where multi hit moves are overpowered
@bmac4
29 күн бұрын
🤝
@meteorjohnson139
29 күн бұрын
Rapid strike urshifu goes burrrrr
@umwha
29 күн бұрын
And cinccino
@TheEternalLightning
2 күн бұрын
Hey Breloom (with loaded dice) Would like to say hello xD
@adpg4471
29 күн бұрын
Funny enough, Aipom only hold Tail Slap in Gen 7 In Gen 9 it had to go back to Fury Swipes, but it now has Tera and most Pokemon are less bulkier so it got banned anyways
@-libertyprimev1-902
29 күн бұрын
Ntm you can now run Technician over Skill Link thanks to Loaded Dice, allowing you to also boost its already crazy Stab Fake Outs as well coverage move in Triple Axel. (Why couldn't Knock Off have just 5 less power...)
@vez3834
27 күн бұрын
@@-libertyprimev1-902 I think they have Knock Off above 60 for a reason :)
@Azun_Kurone
24 күн бұрын
@@-libertyprimev1-902 It wouldn't get the technician boost anyway because the item boost applies before the damage calc checks for technician
@Nako3
18 күн бұрын
I am so very upset that they didnt give Tail Slap to Aipom / Ambipom in Gen 9
@theeducatedfool
28 күн бұрын
I love when competitive Pokemon is just math with moving pictures of monsters hitting each other.
@cocos88881
11 күн бұрын
Math is everywhere
@Laezar1
29 күн бұрын
As a general rule of thumb when creating math for games like that. low numbers are easy to parse but create goofy situations like that, and if you add a zero or two to every number you make things way less sensitive to threshold effects like that, but you also make numbers much harder to make sense of. That actually makes the formula look less bad, it means at low level you get goofy numbers but that are easy to understand (usually balanced around weak early game attacks to make things easier to control for the devs), but at higher level you get more nuanced numbers that are a bit harder to play with but avoid some silly stuff like that in exchange, makes for a good progression in my opinion!
@lancelindlelee7256
28 күн бұрын
Actually, here, it would be a lot simple to stop truncating at every step and just round at the last.
@Laezar1
28 күн бұрын
@@lancelindlelee7256 I mean even with rounding you'd get that type of stuff
@echogaia1708
29 күн бұрын
Aipom: i fear no Pokémon. But that thing: Flame Body, it scares me
@mokarokas-1727
29 күн бұрын
So he is scared. Didn't really think this line through, did you? The original line doesn't read like that, does it? lol
@dominicpirola8240
29 күн бұрын
its "i fear no man... etc" meant to imply that the thing in question isnt human ehh idk how u would adapt the quote to a niche ability
@BurnadaKnigter
29 күн бұрын
Static also go brrr
@echogaia1708
29 күн бұрын
@@dominicpirola8240 yeah sorry i miss wrote it
@janfaid8576
29 күн бұрын
dw bout it its ur effort that counts @@echogaia1708
@noobslayer7564
29 күн бұрын
Usually when someone tries to teach me math we have to fight But this video was really cool
@VTWS
29 күн бұрын
School must have been a crazy time
@dragon-id5uj
29 күн бұрын
Well, pokemon uses math to fight, so that might explain why it's all good here :)
@vez3834
27 күн бұрын
Math is fun because it's logical. It is frustrating for everyone, but at least there is an objective answer if the question isn't vague.
@Nako3
18 күн бұрын
Math is awful
@masterofchaos7282
29 күн бұрын
So multi hit moves are overpowered in LC? Sounds like mystery dungeon all over again.
@jacobfoxfires9647
29 күн бұрын
Ah man I felt that.
@sobblegaming350
29 күн бұрын
Mystery dungeon is essentially little cup for your team only, so fair enough.
@coughfee1416
29 күн бұрын
3:53 Ah yes, 0/95 is indeed a decimal.
@bjoernpagaming2485
29 күн бұрын
I love this kind of in depth video. The information was short, exact, interesting, and easy to follow :)
@The_Tormented_One
29 күн бұрын
Because monke
@senny-
29 күн бұрын
Why was Aipom overpowered? Freezai: "If you divide Attack by Defense then multiply with Modifiers like STAB and Life Orb then..." 🤓 Aipom: Am monke
@overlord3481
29 күн бұрын
no
@p.zansei3280
29 күн бұрын
Not going to lie, the layers of math behind Aipom's success really is fascinating. I'm proud of my lil Johto monke. ❤
@Noahs_Chair
29 күн бұрын
I'm going to bet it's because of rounding Edit: It was, I knew the rounding jank would strike again.
@Poiman64
29 күн бұрын
I can't believe Freezai talked about the Gen 7 LC Ubers metagame before Reverend did.
@growen6474
29 күн бұрын
Good stuff as always Freezai. Some feedback regarding the math and showing it visually: it can be hard to follow at a glance when viewing it for the first time. I recommend color-coding variables so viewers know what numbers are important and actually differ between them.
@paulmann8570
29 күн бұрын
While Ambipom was a victim of popularity, Aipom has been on a redemption arc similar to Onix.
@mandalorianhunter1
29 күн бұрын
I always loved Aipom, glad it's back.
@Aeirion
29 күн бұрын
I love how Little Cup has those Paper Mario low numbers
@vandelay33
29 күн бұрын
Wouldn't things like Rocky Helmet, Rough Skin/Iron Barbs, Stamina, Effect Spore/Flame Body all be reasonable counter play?
@floorgle
29 күн бұрын
I dont think there are any relevant rough skin or effect spore users in lc, rocky helmet is never worth it over eviolite, and there are very few stamina, flame body and iron barbs users, it is counter play, but aipom is still too strong for lc
@erizoh
29 күн бұрын
You have Ferroseed, but it's vulnerable to Fire Punch, so it kind of falls off as a counter.
@echogaia1708
29 күн бұрын
Ponyta and Larvesta were aipom best counters
@megapussi
29 күн бұрын
Note: most of this info comes from me reading the ban announcement page. Iron Barbs is not good counterplay. There is exactly 1 user of Iron Barbs in the format, Ferroseed. Aipom destroys it with Fire Punch. Rough Skin is not good counterplay. Rough Skin does 10 damage when Aipom plays straight into it. You have to run an ass pokemon who's only job is to die to Aipom, and even then it only does like half his health. Remember, Aipom is also very fast, after your "counterplay" dies, the entire rest of your team dies too. Defense is not good counterplay. Aipom runs Grass Knot, which will 2HKO Mudbray even after getting the +5 defense. The best counterplay described here is probably Flame Body, which is on pokemon who get 4x weakness to Stealth Rock which is not that much of an ask to get online before switching in your Aipom. None of that is mentioning the fact that Aipom has Uturn, meaning even if these half-counters are actually being run, that doesnt actually mean you even get to use it. In Summary, none of these counters are actual hard counters. You will need two of them at minimum on every single team you build, just to counter 1 pokemon that everyone will be running. Thats like, the textbook definition of a pokemon that needs to be banned.
@StarfieldDisarray
29 күн бұрын
116 Atk Life Orb Aipom Fire Punch vs. 84 HP / 108+ Def Eviolite Ferroseed: 21-26 (95.4 - 118.1%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO
@goldenpsi8764
29 күн бұрын
shout outs to aipom, my goat
@patricialock1862
29 күн бұрын
Aipom appreciation 🎉
@BubblesChika
28 күн бұрын
This makes me happy to hear my beloved ran terror. Aipom/Ambipom was really fun to use in Brilliant Diamond with a moveset consisting of Substitute, Nasty Plot, Shock Wave & Baton Pass, with a Speed increasing nature. Truly the stuff of dreams
@way2clueless
29 күн бұрын
math, ugh, aipom, yipeee
@junglecruiser4785
29 күн бұрын
Curiously, now that aipom can't use tail slap in gen 9 anymore, I've started to see discussion on unbanning them due to the aforementioned fury swipes downgrade. Idk if that'll materialize, but if it does it'd be good to play the lil hand monke once more!
@puppyDawg128
29 күн бұрын
This is the first time that the Pokémon damage formula has made literally _any_ sense to me. Thanks for the breakdown!
@MelodyBarrens
29 күн бұрын
In other words, everyone is afraid of the math monkey. Fear his algebra.
@ryanpearce6297
29 күн бұрын
This was interesting! Cool video
@urkerab
29 күн бұрын
STAB does round but Pokémon always rounds halves downwards and STAB is usually 1.5× which means it looks like it truncates but if you have Adaptability Tera Double STAB then that's 2.25× so it can round up e.g. 2.25×3 will round up to 7.
@Dilpickle131
29 күн бұрын
How come minccino isn’t banned for having skill link and tail slap
@paulloy8728
29 күн бұрын
It's overall a downgrade to Aipom, particularly on stats
@gotdamn4989
29 күн бұрын
aipoms stats r better
@mickeyd8966
26 күн бұрын
Early gen 5 little cup was my favorite. Most things were allowed, it was just 3 OP pokemon and 3 gimmiky mons trying to win
@JasperHuang-vt5iw
29 күн бұрын
Every time I use fury swipes it misses am i cursed
@RainShadow-yi3xr
29 күн бұрын
Gen 7 LC Ubers meta analysis when?
@sagacious03
29 күн бұрын
Great analysis video! Thanks for uploading!
@Rexir2
29 күн бұрын
You know, rocky helmet bulky gible or ferroseed could give aipom and it's contact moves trouble
@s1rumbrens.u133
29 күн бұрын
rocky helmet is never recommended to use because of the mecanics of level 5 so is better off just use eviolite instead
@EL4701.
29 күн бұрын
gee i sure do hate that one in sixteen chance for all your move damage to get multiplied by 0/95 and just end up doing absolutely nothing. people talk about gen 1 misses a lot but this is so much more likely and annoying.
@dreamfirefight9456
29 күн бұрын
This is why Shiv has this as his ace!
@Inverse_Intellect
29 күн бұрын
Omg Desolation reference, this gave me so much nostalgia 🥺
@wenxiwu6480
2 күн бұрын
I see that you are a man of culture
@r.c.3813
28 күн бұрын
Lol aipom is one of my fav pokemons i never knew how powerful the little guy was
@Choicexband
29 күн бұрын
making a 10 minute video out of something that can be explained in 2 sentences award 🥇
@reniac3128
29 күн бұрын
My favourite statement about the format is Aipom being the equivalent of mega ray in LC
@lesbiangregorsamsa507
29 күн бұрын
he's just a silly little guy
@Lucifers-Stepdad
28 күн бұрын
Damage rounding thresholds, baby!
@Number1drizzilefan
29 күн бұрын
Before watching my guess is that down in Little Cup where damage calcs are run with level 5's, weaker moves aren't as weak relatively, so Skill Link Aipom loves outspeeding and breaking sashes
@GeorgeDCowley
29 күн бұрын
"Friendship" is one of the few official terms I prefer.
@dissect123
21 күн бұрын
Small correction: The little cup originated in Pokémon Stadium 2, not Pokémon Stadium.
@Sonim470
29 күн бұрын
your videos are very informative and have a lot of thought and knowledge behind them and they way you present your arguments makes them easily understood. that said I would advise working on your script because you tend to repeat yourself and sometimes you get too long to get to the point for no reason, for example you presented the idea that furry swipes is better than return at 1:00 and didnt get to why until 2:00+ which can make the viewing experience frustrating
@harikiran4339
29 күн бұрын
Plus loaded dice for more punch!
@zdelrod829
26 күн бұрын
Aipom being a Skill Link bot in Little Cup is funny.
@Rye-Uh
23 күн бұрын
Does Mincinno carry the same thing? Or does the base attack difference make a huge difference.
@terrordarky
28 күн бұрын
aron: my time to shine
@scoots291
25 күн бұрын
I thought it was going to be a king's rock stat😂
@armorbearer9702
28 күн бұрын
It's time for Aipom's Amicable Alliance.
@keithlyons4359
29 күн бұрын
Maybe that was why they took Tail Slap away from Aipom in gen 9? Always thought that made no sense. Hopefully it will get it back someday.
@omegakrome3931
26 күн бұрын
Why don't they just ban tail slap aipom specifically? Seems a little egregious to just ban it entirely.
@pastaman7278
29 күн бұрын
Oh god math
@user-hm7ux6hx8g
27 күн бұрын
God I fucking love Aipom
@Kalaphant
20 күн бұрын
0:30 Does it on average boost more than an ability that's already banned?
@dannykazari
29 күн бұрын
Aipom is my favorite Pokemon and I had no idea about this history, very cool funny monkey
@cynamothcyclopsyt
29 күн бұрын
Its funny how aipom didnt learn how to slap someone until USUM. Remember, get to 3.4 e23 Slap Damage
@nin10doadict
29 күн бұрын
"You banned me? Why?" "Mmm... monkey... also Tail Slap"
@pmnt_
29 күн бұрын
my guess for Life Orb would be that it's implemented as *4/3. what happens at 2 damage? If it's a multiplication with 1.3 with rounding, it will be boosted to 3 damage, if it's an integer operation *4/3, it would stay at 2 damage.
@thisimagelooksslightlybett1020
29 күн бұрын
RE: Life orb rounding instead of truncating Considering how the damage formula works, Life Orb would be an… underwhelming item if the damage increase were truncated, especially with the HP cost. (Just a stupid example: “My attack does 2 damage, but with Life Orb it does 2.6! Which is… 2 with truncation.” Something like that? Hope it makes sense.
@MagnusTB_
29 күн бұрын
didnt aipom lose tail slap this gen though, home come it's still banned from LC?
@ladonmccabe
29 күн бұрын
Aipom finally getting his dues.
@Outersoy
29 күн бұрын
LETSS GOOO AIPOM THE GOAT FINAAAALY
@blakerenimu9033
29 күн бұрын
And it became even more OP in gen 9 with the Dice... he can use Technician now 💀
@yarnyoshitakesshape
13 күн бұрын
Doesn’t ambipom get techinician?
@Kmn483
28 күн бұрын
"It'll likely be banned in every little cup in the future" Nintendo gonna powercreep little cup until Aipom is unbanned. 30 base multihit as a TM.
@shirshobanerjee7751
29 күн бұрын
Basically, each hit is calculated separately, so a move like tail slap on aipom is 37.5 bp after STAB, hitting 5 times, which is 187.5, a little stronger than non-STAB V-create. It’s why the base power on multihits is shown as one number and not a range (ie: tail slaps bp is displayed as 25, not 25-125) For reference, STAB return is 153 base power and doesn’t ignore focus sash. Video goes in more depth but that’s the surface reason. (Also aipom is stronger mincinno in both of its relevant base stats (20 higher attack, 10 higher speed) So basically, it would nuke everything unless you had ferroseed, but A: ferroseed has to be healthy; and B: because ferroseed is a relevant meta mon, most good teams will have ways around it. If I had to guess, this is why aipom is banned and also why all my teams get 6-0’d by shell smash Cloyster in gen 8 (I just use the funky guys and not the mons who win games)
@ruukinen
29 күн бұрын
Just fyi, multiplying the before or after value with stab, results in the same number. 25 * 5 = 125, 125 * 1.5 = 187,5. The reason multihits are good in little cup is the small + 2 in the damage calcs.
@shirshobanerjee7751
29 күн бұрын
Not me forgetting how mutliplication works, thank you for the correction
@ricsouza5011
Күн бұрын
smogon lmao
@IndigoEuphonium
29 күн бұрын
Aipom really unlocked Astra
@renjitsu26
29 күн бұрын
Aipom to the top! ❤
@petelee2477
29 күн бұрын
One thing you didn't mention is how critical hits affect the damage formula.
@salvatore_slate
27 күн бұрын
incredible vid
@Toadiferous
29 күн бұрын
I mean it currently does not have Tail Slap in Gen 9 and it's still banned
@dream_weaver6207
29 күн бұрын
First I thought that this was gonna be about ADV ZU
@anaranjado8635
25 күн бұрын
3:04 420😂😂😂😂
@dantespekken3549
28 күн бұрын
Honest, probably dumb, question: why not just ban tail slap?
@pkcryo
29 күн бұрын
as the biggest aipom enjoyer I completely agree
@beetlebottle
26 күн бұрын
why ban aipom? why not ban only aipoms using tail slap? I don't really pay attention to competitive, but have been watching a bunch of videos lately, so sorry if that's a dumb question
@luizfelipevbf5567
26 күн бұрын
That would be what wecall complex bans and, unless the move itself makes any/almost all pokemon with it overpowered Smogon prefers not to do it for the pandora's box that is banning part of a pokemon. If we ban Aipom from using Tail Slap to let people kerp using him, would people argue the same for other broken mons? Ex: Ban Sneasler from using Close Combat so it can be used in OU; Ban Kyogre from using water type moves so it can be used in regular play
@beetlebottle
20 күн бұрын
@@luizfelipevbf5567 ah thanks! that makes sense. I guess it's not too bad since there's so many pokemon to choose from already.
@filedotjar
29 күн бұрын
This makes me irrationally angry that the damage equation doesn't round across the board. Truncating isn't that big of a deal at high damage values, but when damage is low, it's an invisible value that could mean the difference between a win and a loss.
@Elyvilon
29 күн бұрын
I'm 99% certain that regular damage truncates and life orb rounds because Pokemon was created in 1994 and Life Orb wasn't added until the mid 2000s so 2 separate people did 2 separate things. Hell, the guy in 1994 might have been trying to do that tiny bit of extra optimization because we're in early 90s programming where every little bit matters(or, more likely, just cast it to int at the end because whatever, who cares, this is a silly game for 8 year olds)
@TheBillz206
29 күн бұрын
my brain is not braining
@Coach_Cena
29 күн бұрын
wouldn't minccino also be broken then? he also has tail slap and skill link
@vez3834
27 күн бұрын
Its stats are lower. Atk, def, spdef and speed are all lower. It has fewer coverage moves than Aipom. No Fire move means that Ferroseed is tough to break through for example.
@axolotl11_
29 күн бұрын
now i know why moves always do one damage minimum! cool to know
@venoxhuro5199
29 күн бұрын
Now Pokémon desolation makes a lot more sense-
@marverickbin
21 күн бұрын
Does tandemaus learn opulation bomb?
@666blaziken
27 күн бұрын
Child: "I want pokemon super mystery dungeon!" mom: "we have pokemon mystery dungeon at home" **points to little cup** (for those familiar with multihit moves in the mystery dungeon series)
@SomniaCE
8 күн бұрын
Why not just ban the move on the Pokemon instead of the whole Pokemon?
@Anthonyvideogame
29 күн бұрын
Gotta love how they took away tail slap from its moveset 😂
@banditrests
29 күн бұрын
Pokémon damage calculations are weird, especially at low numbers. As far as I understand it, the flooring effect is an artifact of the programing language used to make gen 1 not being able to handle decimals. The much weirder thing is that they never changed it, and you still get all kinds of jank around non-linear progression and damage rounding thresholds (tm). Life orb is strange for a bunch of other reasons, possibly because it was added in Gen 4, but it’s also not technically 1.3 and it has the whole sheer force thing.
@Khan69317
29 күн бұрын
Call 3blue1brown. He has some competition now
@sock3981
29 күн бұрын
please more videos like this
@Magikarpador
29 күн бұрын
i learned something new
@gameboy3d943
29 күн бұрын
Math: 😒 Math, but Pokémon: 👀
@vez3834
27 күн бұрын
I really recommend looking into good math channels like Numberphile. Math has a lot of cool history and can be applied everywhere. Every new concept is like a new mathematical tool.
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