I mean, Mick Gordon is a guy who sampled a chainsaw and a kangling in his ost, and even decided to learn Mongolian throat chanting in a Mongolian monastery so he could sing for another of his pieces. Did they think he was the kind of guy who would back down?
@tornado100able
Жыл бұрын
He's like Doom guy, unstopable...
@LL-gx3yj
Жыл бұрын
No way the throat singing thing is real…. I remember a vid where he worked with someone from a mongol metal band
@MitridatedCarbon
Жыл бұрын
@@LL-gx3yj I heard it it was for Killer Instinct. For Jago's theme
@Bllksem
Жыл бұрын
Often the people willing to do almost anything to do a job perfectly are the ones taken advantage of the most because their goal is to do a good job, and if the employer keeps moving the goalposts people like mick only try harder to meet expectations that are always moved 2 steps ahead of what he has achieved.
@blanktheblanket8081
Жыл бұрын
Didnt know Max0r was being serious
@lw8882
Жыл бұрын
Mick was obviously smart enough to hire a lawyer and compile evidence before making his response. I love that.
@lw8882
Жыл бұрын
Ah yep just got to the part confirming he brought in lawyers. Smartest way to respond to a guy like Marty who breathes as easily as he manipulates and intimidates.
@gunslingersymphony5015
6 ай бұрын
It's a damn shame it's necessary, but it's nice that so many artists these days have wised up to the reality of our overly litigious mentality.
@Tamarocker88
4 ай бұрын
Too bad he wasn't smart enough NOT to sign the contract in the first place. The point everyone seems to miss in his gigantic report of what went down, is that he didn't receive the contract about the OST until AFTER the announcement was made. At that point he should have looked at the deadline and said "NOPE. This isn't a realistic timeline, plus you guys already screwed me by announcing the existence of the OST without even having me under contract". As far as I'm concerned, he knew what he was getting into and now he's whining about it after the fact. I think ID \ Marty's reports about Mick being a prima donna and an impossible person to work with are just as valid as Mick's complaints about their delays.
@envyLP333
3 ай бұрын
@@Tamarocker88why 88 in your profile? 🤔
@Tamarocker88
3 ай бұрын
@envyLP333 why 333 in your profile?
@EJaDav
2 ай бұрын
I hate how the Doom fan base has seemingly forgotten this happened.
@onepunchman4444
2 ай бұрын
So we're not supposed to play this game made by one of the best developers in the industry because Marty is a scumbag? Nah we're good
@handlesarecringe957
2 ай бұрын
@@onepunchman4444Obviously you can play it. What you should not do until Mick receives an apology is buy it.
@Metranomix
2 ай бұрын
@@onepunchman4444 Really repping the Doom community there bud.
@papouligaming9594
2 ай бұрын
@@onepunchman4444You are living proof that the Doom fan base is comprised of spineless consumers. Hope you enjoy your AAA slop.
@papouligaming9594
2 ай бұрын
@@onepunchman4444 You are living proof that the Doom fan base is comprised of spineless consumers by taking people criticizing a product you didn’t make as a personal attack. Hope you enjoy your slop.
@tuc-kaankaraayan
Жыл бұрын
I love how Doom is a franchise where people say "An album that comes with a free game" to it's recent games because of Mick's work but then he gets this treatment.
@wonderoushistoryofclassicf9193
2 ай бұрын
Honestly I think that's why he was treated the way he was
@dillonwalshpvd
2 ай бұрын
@@wonderoushistoryofclassicf9193as a complete casual, this seems like it checks out
@marialuke2116
2 ай бұрын
@@wonderoushistoryofclassicf9193 Envy is a hideous thing. Shame Mick got the brunt of it from that douchebag Marty.
@MrDoomquake777
2 ай бұрын
Micks music is great. But that quote seems kinda dumb.
@aro480_
2 ай бұрын
I mean, have you heard things like Killer Instinct OST? It's exactly the same thing, an album that comes with a free fighting game.
@IAmNumber4000
Жыл бұрын
Unbelievable that Marty felt _entitled_ to destroy a skilled freelancer’s professional reputation, when freelancers depend _utterly_ on that reputation for their income.
@blahblahgdp
Жыл бұрын
Thats cause Marty is a powertripper thats unfortunately a dime a dozen in most if not all walks of life. The real question is why these people dont get their lives destroyed in return
@DustyLamp
Жыл бұрын
@@blahblahgdp people like Marty live in a bubble of yes men too concerned with trying to climb the ladder themselves than to try and seek justice. Corporate culture has no appeals to humanity, just greed.
@hisokamorow6709
Жыл бұрын
A severe case of "little PP energy"
@GuiSmith
Жыл бұрын
I’d dare say that was the point.
@lasarousi
Жыл бұрын
@@DustyLamp "why did you do it" The average 9-5 corporate shill: -money- I have six children and two wives to feed.
@clarkestomps
7 ай бұрын
It’s been almost 4 years and we never got an official soundtrack release. Only Re uploads on KZitem…this is bullshit.
@psyanah4542
3 ай бұрын
I'm still angry about this whole fiasco. I would have blasted the shit out of it on Spotify
@ppgod6989
2 ай бұрын
@@psyanah4542 i download the songs as mp3s and add on Spotify You can do that too if you wanna go through the trouble
@StandardUserFromEarth
2 ай бұрын
Fact that I will not be able to hear a lossless, high quility version of the soundtrack that I can own, especially in a physical form, just leaves a real bitter taste over this genuinely great series. I would've loved to just pick apart each detail of the tracks.
@NaimHrustanovic
2 ай бұрын
@@StandardUserFromEarthThey tell us to vote with our wallets, and yet when we do, we get fucking nothing. The art exists, the audio files exist, but we can't get it in any way.
@ASFalcon13
2 ай бұрын
@@NaimHrustanovic ...and yet, they'll still complain when the pirate banners are raised...
@nerdcuddles7731
Жыл бұрын
I predicted the fact that Mick Gordon was slandered by Id Software, but wow I didn't know it was THIS bad.
@dony2852
Жыл бұрын
I suspected the same. It just seemed too idiotic for an executive not to get a contract ready before announcing a project unless there were ulterior motives. That it took half a year to even start negotiations was just ridiculous. Finding out from Mick that negotiations didn't even end until three months later, leaving him less than a month to work on the OST just boggles the mind.
@DigitalDNA
Жыл бұрын
A lot of us seen it that way when that post hit reddit. We been following Mick for years. His fan base includes his other works, besides DOOM. We seen through the bs since day one. The hate he got though is regrettable. Hoever,, Marty needs to burn.
@nicolausteslaus
Жыл бұрын
The saddest fact is that reddit community is so soy, they believe every BS that media showed in their empty skulls.
@solaireofastora6173
Жыл бұрын
Mick was upset since day one, he openly expressed a level of mistreatment by ID Software, but it was sold to the public as a misunderstanding. Now we see the whole picture
@bolson42
Жыл бұрын
It was suspicious since the reddit post. Cant believe so many people took that seriously and used it to attack him, when he didn’t even have a clear say on the matter. I mean seriously, a company producer and director addressing a controversy on REDDIT? The site known for taking drama too far? It was obviously malicious, I just didn’t know how far it went
@maxhowlett9661
Жыл бұрын
As a side note, Mick is one of the kindest and most humble dudes to ever be a part of the industry. I recently sent him an email and he responded pretty quickly, thanking me for taking time to message him and assures me that this experience with DOOM Eternal was a complete outlier and he does not want it to taint the image of Video Game composition as a whole. As a music production student, Mick is a huge inspiration to me so for him to respond with kindness and interest highlight the strength of his character.
@ruskerdax5547
Жыл бұрын
Just wanted to add I had a similar experience communicating with Mick. You can tell through both the quality of his work and the way he treats others that he doesn't just love what he does, it's his life's purpose, and he is encouraging others to pursue their dreams in a similar way. I had emailed Mick years ago to ask him about some of the gear and techniques he uses and he took the time to give a fair amount of detail and care for someone who was undoubtedly a very busy person. When I read the "open letter" a few years later after Doom: Eternal was released, I was very confused and surprised. I didn't assume Marty had lied, and I figured Mick must have experienced some kind of significant personal setback or loss that affected him, because it was just not in line with everything I'd read and with my own experience talking with him. Now that the truth is out, I'm angry, but it's so good to see the only personal or professional setback Mick was dealing with was dealing with Marty and Bethesda/iD/Zenimax himself. I hope he continues to shine.
@origrammar
Жыл бұрын
We truly do not deserve this man 😭
@JesusChrist-ey9qt
Жыл бұрын
What’s his email address?
@maxhowlett9661
Жыл бұрын
@@JesusChrist-ey9qt he has a contact page on his website that you fill in. It's probably just for business stuff, but I wanted to shoot my shot and let him know how important his work has been in my life and how moving his statement was.
@CosmicFist78
Жыл бұрын
You better be like that to one of *your* fans someday
@AllExistence
Жыл бұрын
Always remember to record ALL communications with your clients. It's so fucking important.
@kellsom5222
3 ай бұрын
Greatly under-valued comment. So important, document EVERYTHING.
@ED-gw9rg
Ай бұрын
Nothing more to say to this, honestly. Don't let 'em write history a different way than you remembered it!
@christopherjohnson2171
21 сағат бұрын
Unfortunately in some states it is illegal to record without the consent of both parties and in many states while it may be legal it still may not be used in court.
@AllExistence
20 сағат бұрын
@@christopherjohnson2171 Sounds malicious.
@timmorin6657
Жыл бұрын
Damn, that's messed up. Mick should get a special award for resisting the temptation of stealing Marty's kneecaps if anything.
@justprocrastinating5007
Жыл бұрын
Ooo, a strong temptation indeed
@carbinecryo30716
Жыл бұрын
That shit must've been like the forbidden fruit But this time he told the snake to fuck off
@Artoooooor
Жыл бұрын
Marty should get proper punishment. 2 years of manual work in quarry for example.
@samschreiber1640
Жыл бұрын
@@Artoooooor 1 week of scaphism will do
@dis_boi_a_mem
Жыл бұрын
@@samschreiber1640 he should produce a soundtrack under the same circumstances and management
@josephrobinson6171
Жыл бұрын
I just don't understand why the company would fuck up this badly and burn bridges with a useful asset. It's so illogical AND cruel. Like, there's actual spite and disdain in the way Mick was treated, not just incompetence.
@hisokamorow6709
Жыл бұрын
I think it has to do with what was said at the beginning of the video. Mick is a freelancer, he doesn't wanna work for a company. The "refused to get in line" suggest that iD wanted total control of Mick, but he wasn't giving it to them, so they sabotage him. I think of iD as a spitful ex.
@abdulmasaiev9024
Жыл бұрын
I think perhaps the issue is you're thinking "the company" that made a decision to do this, when in fact it seems to stem from an ego tripping suit from the top who made things Just Happen with no analysis or really any deliberate decision making behind it.
@adrianjamesgamboa5236
Жыл бұрын
@@abdulmasaiev9024 Well if the company even actually had any decent competence, they would have known that Mick is very important and destroying him has completely no benefits to the company, at all. If Marty wasn't given repercussions by the company after Mick's statement, then the blame goes to the company too -- for breeding incompetence at the highest levels.
@NightRogue77
Жыл бұрын
Narcissistic sociopaths
@Mirthful_Midori
Жыл бұрын
It's Bethesda. They've gotten to be as big as they are in spite of their incompetence, not because they're really that great. They also have a bit of a history of screwing over the people they work with, but the stuff they pulled with Human Head Studios and Prey 2 is the most egregious. Pete Hines saying Prey 2 "Didn't meet Bethesda's quality standards" is both one of the most blatant lies from any game company, but also proof that this kind of behavior is not exclusive to the lower management.
@adambloomfield4861
3 ай бұрын
Seeing Marty Stratton smiling and laughing at the recent gamespot DOOM: The Dark Ages chat boiled my blood!
@deadchannel726
2 ай бұрын
ID software dark age
@SpuddMacgyver
2 ай бұрын
Yea as cool as the game looks Its gonna be getting boycotted by me just like Eternal was because of Marty.
@travistotle
2 ай бұрын
@@SpuddMacgyver Honestly dude I get your point but then what about all the hundreds of hard-working developers who are busting their asses for the game, along with Hugo who seems to be a pretty child dude? If you wanted to boycott a game because somebody at the top level might be a d-bag you're probably gonna have to boycott every game currently made these days.
@SpuddMacgyver
2 ай бұрын
@@travistotle i have no doubt Doom The Dark Ages will make a ton of money and all the devs will be taken care of but at my age sleeping good is more important and being made aware of how terrible he is I would rather just play something else instead. Im not starving for games anytime soon. (1400 on xbox alone)
@solracstormhunter3023
2 ай бұрын
EXACTLY! How can that guy maintain his position, after the whole internet, his co-workers and interns know, what a douchebag he truly is. ID Software seems very confident, that the loyality of their fans must be bigger, than their anger for Marty Stratton.
@NotAGoodUsername360
Жыл бұрын
In retrospect, Marty's passive-agressive use of the term "popular" in his open letter against Mick was a HUGE red flag. The use of that word in professional context betrays his resentment and hostility- "he's the popular kid, I'm the victim here".
@mk6315
Жыл бұрын
Marty cries out in pain as he strikes you
@theravenousrabbit3671
Жыл бұрын
Remember, if you ever see Marty on the street, remind him of how much of a literal bag of manure he is.
@poorsoul8492
Жыл бұрын
But there’s trueth that to that
@sneaky5141
Жыл бұрын
@@poorsoul8492 please shut up lol
@Gxaps
Жыл бұрын
Hindsight is 20/20
@MisterKrummy
Жыл бұрын
The saddest part of this, is that Mick did what was expected of a professional and tried to fix this behind the scenes. Despite his professionalism, I worry he's still going to have trouble getting work. What a patient man. I couldn't have gone this long after all that...
@legros731
Жыл бұрын
Expected from a professional lol not making deadline is not expected from a professional clown
@superleetmegapunx
Жыл бұрын
@@legros731 How's that corporate phallus tasting?
@legros731
Жыл бұрын
@@superleetmegapunx that where you got it completely wrong it's not because I am again Mick that I am obligatory on id/Bethesda side A could care less about them I never spent one dime on Bethesda/id game that why I play on PC lol this is how much I care for them or any dev, game studio that's go for the big 3 as well
@legros731
Жыл бұрын
@@superleetmegapunxlot of effort lol if you think this is lot of effort you seem really weak lol if someone respond to me a will respond just like a did right there thank you I am proud of my pirate hat It's you the moron who pay 70 buck for half finished game full of lootbox and other microtransactions with a pirated game you got none of this stupid shit And you don't get atrocious performance because of some denuvo shit
@legros731
Жыл бұрын
@@superleetmegapunx lol man first you said it was a lot of effort now it a novel with 4 sentence lol If you can't deduct that I am trolling and laughing at moron like you maybe you just brain-dead Are you the guy that was crying because is job at Starbucks was too hard and working 20 hour a week was too much lol But why are you still responding you do seem to care a lot for your little Mikey lol
@diegojose4173
2 ай бұрын
It should be noted that Doom Eternal was being developed while ZeniMax was planning to sell the entire company (which was eventually bought by Microsoft), meaning that Studio heads were pressured to cut down on expenses, and most likely Stratton saw Mick as an expense, especially notable as they clearly attempted to short-change Mick for his work as much as possible. Seeing that Mick was very proud of his work on Doom 2016, it is very weird that they treat him like trash during the development of the second game. Edit: Minor mistake at the end.
@WDC_OSA
2 ай бұрын
An interesting perspective. Both ZeniMax and Microsoft appear very motivated by the bottom line, so it makes sense that they'd try to screw people over and cut costs while keeping as much of the work and artistic merit as possible. Just recently, Microsoft unceremoniously shitcanned a couple of Bethesda developers, including Arkane Austin and Tango Gameworks, who both have commercial successes under their belts. I'm curious, then, whether the different studios were threatened with this kind of punishment years prior, and how narrowly id Software may have avoided that same fate.
@toreole5831
2 ай бұрын
I hate capitalism. It crushes artists.
@plaguedoctorjamespainshe6009
Ай бұрын
Mick as an expense Guy made Doom 2016 the goat that it is It wouldn't have worked without him Can't say the same about Marty Pretty sure Marty is the expense
@hoilst265
Ай бұрын
@@WDC_OSA It's such a shame that Redfall is Arkane Austin's swansong. Personally, I don't think it's as bad is it's made out to be, but there is a ton of things to criticise about it. But Arkane is a company that prided itself on doing nothing but SP im-sims, so...why would they make an always-online team shooter, L4D clone? I'll bet it was because they wanted to show to MS that, no, for real-real, Zeni's working on a money-printing game! There'll be skins and season passes and DLC and new weapons to buy from here until the heat-death of the universe! It was telling that people who worked on the game were absolutely floored that, no, instead of working on a highly-prestigious and thoughtful Arkane im-sim, they were gonna be doing an online-only co-op shooter.
@jayr7965
19 күн бұрын
This kind of incompetent management is rife with big companies. It stems from the people at the top not actually understanding the realities of the people doing the hard work below them. Clearly Marty fucked up from the start and instead of admitting he made a mistake and being flexible when faced with reality, he doubled, then tripled down on it. People like Marty, who are very good and shifting blame, almost always rise to the top. People who actually give a shit, like Mick, get burnt out, used up and spat out. And people like Marty face no consequences. It's why over 10000 people lost their jobs in the videogame industry last year, bad management. Sadly those responsible don't lose their jobs, or they jump ship before things get bad, with huge payouts and reputation intact.
@rikkTV
Жыл бұрын
What I find so scary about this is that you can be the creator of one of the most critically acclaimed video game soundtracks of all time, and still be fucked over this badly. Imagine this happening to someone who doesn't have the funds to get through the legal battle or the social outreach to clear their name. A smaller freelancer with less money would just have had their career ended, and Mick barely even got through it as a household name in the industry. It really shows how tough the artists in this industry has it, they can so easily be stepped on by higher ups who has infinite funds to fuck them over.
@InfiniteDesign91
Жыл бұрын
If somebody does not have the funds, then they probably bailed out after not getting paid for 1 month.
@ajwaddanwarr3409
2 ай бұрын
I have been noticing this more and more, this happened twice at Bungie already
@Old-Boy_BEbop
26 күн бұрын
@@InfiniteDesign91 sadly you are not paid monthly your a freelancer you are only paid until publication (when the project is out to the public) and even than its a hard lengthy battle to be paid after the fact. so in hindsight lets say you spent 2 months on a project its only going to be published another 3 months after delivery of the job (that's 5 months of no money already) aaaaannnddd after publication you will than most likely wait another 2months to a year to be paid. so you will be sitting absolutely penniless from this job any where from 6 months to over a year to be paid. smaller jobs can wait 3 months to 9 months. and if your very lucky and its a client who respects you and the relationship will pay you before the 3 months. and the only way to combat this situation to a lesser time is having an agent/manager whose commission is 19-25% and also pay taxes on top of that so your lucky to walk away with 55% of the initial paid job.
@saulnine7786
Жыл бұрын
I remember being attacked in the comments for taking Mick's side and doubting Marty's letter two years ago. I'm glad this has finally come to light.
@lasarousi
Жыл бұрын
Probably just greedy money mongers who will side with the "big boss doing drastic decisions" because they identify with the greedy fuckers on top basically they're defending their power greed goals of wanting to be a soulless suits ejaculating money onto people for the illusion of "success". Avoid these people.
@MrDMIDOV
Жыл бұрын
Really makes one wonder if Marty bought some bots to make sure his narrative is the only acceptable narrative on reddit. A pretty easy thing to do and Marty apparently hated Mick for some reason.
@Gramstaal
Жыл бұрын
@@MrDMIDOV Don't even think bots are required. Some people will just eat up the narrative and attack anyone doubting it. Such a sad world.
@commie_sylveon6563
Жыл бұрын
@@Gramstaal Some people are stupid
@rainbowdragon1872
2 ай бұрын
i never woulda believed marty. someone who puts in the type of effort to make beautiful and unique music the way mick does, is not gonna be on the type of bs marty was accusing him of.
@happyspaceinvader508
Жыл бұрын
As a former freelancer… NEVER EVER WORK WITHOUT A CONTRACT. And that contract has to nail down exactly what is in or out of scope, what you will be paid for, when you will be paid, etc. I suspect nothing will happen to Marty and Mick will never be compensated… but I really hope other freelancers (particularly in the video game industry) will learn from this tragic story.
@spetsnaz4537
2 ай бұрын
jesper kyd knows this very well
@micalzoncillo249
Ай бұрын
The thing is that most jobs for freelancers, specially new freelancers, don't offer contracts, and laws are progresively making it worse. Specially now with a.i. look at julian casablancas, he used an artificial generated image for his last album cover instead of paying a freelance artist, and money wasn't an issue because casablancas is rich as shit. So yeah, the future of freelancing looks absurdly bleak
@micalzoncillo249
Ай бұрын
@vex8ion196 or new enterprices. I'm from argentina, apparently someone developed a trading card game like magic the gathering, and they use a.i. for the artwork. And they are super transparent about it, they do aim to eventualy hire real artists for special artwork but they explicitly state that a.i. will always be part of their model because it's just so much cheaper. This a fucking TCG bro, you know how much drawings are involved in those? Stacks upon stacks of drawings, that's a whole industry down the drain. It's fucking over.
@Ezdine_G8261
Ай бұрын
will do thanks
@hehaheadshot97
26 күн бұрын
@@spetsnaz4537 What happened to Jesper Kyd?
@kaingates
Жыл бұрын
Thing is that Bethesda has publicly stated that Mick is lying in his Medium post. Problem is that Mick proved how Marty had lied earlier so it needs more than just "they're lying" since they've already been caught in multiple lies. I've heard through the grapevine that he's not easy to work with, but in no way makes it okay to flat out lie, start a smear campaign and then getting caught and respond with "trust me bro, we can prove that he lied". They're really lucky Mick waited 2 years, because this would've tanked the game.
@TheythinkimNinja
Жыл бұрын
@@xid1158makes sense for him as atleast with Witcher he was a source material purist
@dungeonsanddragonsanddrive2902
Жыл бұрын
@xid Yep. Stubborn or sticking to your value means they get annoyed
@kelly4187
Жыл бұрын
At this point I'd be happy to throw money at a kickstarter to fund Mick sueing Marty and ID for defamation. These people only get away with this shit because they try to silence people. This is why I'm a big advocate for everything being completely open and transparent. The truth should never be hidden or all you get are evil fuckers like this getting away with stuff.
@DustyLamp
Жыл бұрын
Bet he only waited so he didn't fuck his future career. No publisher would touch him if he went out of the way to reduce profits, no matter how justified.
@Necroxion
Жыл бұрын
@xid case in point: Hideo Kojima
@dhuh6760
Жыл бұрын
I have a feeling that part of Marty's vitriolic treatment of Mick is because Mick skirted the 'no-metal' rule for Doom 2016. The original vision was not for any sort of guitars to be used, hence why Mick used a chainsaw sample over guitars. Mick went past what was asked of him, for the better, yes, but he went past what was asked of him. And the game was *so* much better for it. No way that that didn't sting Marty's pride.
@reconzar
Жыл бұрын
it was just no guitar but i was also thinking of this as well. it was a big thing that marty kept talking about in streams and interviews
@ShiningDarknes
Жыл бұрын
I mean as a contractor you give the client what they want, not necessarily what they ask for (and experience gives you the knowledge and understanding to figure out the difference). They had no complaints with his work in 2016 and he won them an award for best soundtrack which is a pretty big deal that any company should be happy about as it adds to their reputation.
@dhuh6760
Жыл бұрын
@@ShiningDarknes That's the principle of professionalism, yes, but in that this mistreatment occured we can see that Marty had no qualms about maintaining professionalism, nor recognizing that perhaps his scope for the game's soundtrack was not the most stellar of options. If they'd complained in 2016 while Mick was in his stride with the Doom Soundtrack, it would've been the wrong time. His perfectionism as an artist being put forward as the blame material was quick, believable and decisive. And Mick couldn't really do anything because it *was* true. He hadn't completed his Eternal soundtrack. He hadn't had the time he needed. Which was possibly, deliberately not given to him to make him fail and set this whole thing up. Doesn't take a genius to design that kind of smear. Mick altered the face of Doom with his soundtrack. Going off the contractor example, imagine if you made a brass statue for a health clinic. Yeah, sure, it looks cool, it commemorates an important figure in medical history maybe, but you spent the health clinic's rennovation budget on a statue and simple steps when they wanted an artsy staircase. You came up with something better, and the designer is defensive about his own worth now.
@ShiningDarknes
Жыл бұрын
@@dhuh6760 You last paragraph is exactly what I am talking about when I say experience lets you know the difference between what they want and what they are asking for. They are not asking for nor do they want a statue so that would never be on the table to begin with. You are also not "blowing their budget" they give you a figure that they will pay you to do a thing. That is already the budget sorted, if they want to give you more to do more, they can write up a new contract. Also with architectural work you have to submit a design first that has to be approved so if they don't like the statue with steps they will just tell you to redesign it. He didn't "alter the face of DOOM" they _approved_ his soundtrack on 2016 and that ultimately means they were okay with whatever he ended up giving them. They could have said "no this isn't what we wanted change [x,y,z]" but they didn't.
@M33f3r
Жыл бұрын
@@ShiningDarknes Even when they did they ended up using his work anyway so they’re still in the wrong.
@ZAllen-bt6kb
3 ай бұрын
Rewatching this after seeing the new Doom The Dark Ages trailer, feels bad man.
@ocularskewer1245
2 ай бұрын
it’s goofy as shit regardless
@enchantedcandlewick2000
2 ай бұрын
Piracy is illegal, everyone! Just like abuse and refusing to pay your contractors.
@CrungySpungus
Ай бұрын
@@enchantedcandlewick2000people worked on that who didn’t do anything wrong so until you can prove everyone involved said fuck mick I’m still playing
@enchantedcandlewick2000
Ай бұрын
@@CrungySpungus those people already got paid and are working on the next game their CEOs can abuse a freelancer with.
@digivagrant
Ай бұрын
Dark Ages music sounded as mid as TAG...
@DeadNastyRust
Жыл бұрын
Well that sucks for Doom fans cause it just means the next Doom game won't have Mick to make the slappin sound track. We all lose. Thanks Bethesda.
@kerbalairforce8802
Жыл бұрын
You can hear the difference between the main games music and the DLC music. The FLC music sounds like I tried to copy Mick Gordon with FL studio at home
@bagg2421
Жыл бұрын
Honestly with how integral mick's ost has become to the game's image, I wouldn't be surprised if there isn't another doom game for the next few development cycles. Hopefully in that time bethesda could realize the importance of his work to their IP and offer him a fair contract (plus some more for treating him like shit). I can't know for sure but by the tone of mick's letter it doesn't seem like he's too bitter to consider working on doom again. Who knows though, they might just shelf the IP entirely or simply get someone else to produce the soundtrack as they've done with the DLC. I'm sure there's plenty of composers out there who could create great doom ost, but even if the tracks were great I think there would still be controversy from the fans about replacing mick.
@UrPilotNatt
Жыл бұрын
I mean the game franchise is over anyways. Maybe that's why they waited until this game to treat him like trash. But they won't have him for Quake sooo, ID shot themselves in the foot for other games' soundtracks.
@DeadNastyRust
Жыл бұрын
@@UrPilotNatt how do you know the franchise is over? In today's gaming space sequel's and prequels is all their is. No original ips or ideas anymore. Whether it's 5 or 20 years there will be another doom
@UrPilotNatt
Жыл бұрын
@@DeadNastyRust I mean he has no powers anymore, would be kind of a lame sequel lol
@BustyCatbot
Жыл бұрын
All of this boils down to three points: 1. Executives think their money and reputation make them invincible, and they think they can do whatever they want without consequences. 2. Executives are usually as clueless as they can be about what product their company is actually producing, and how it works. 3. Executives don't give a single shit about the people in their company, especially contractors that don't technically work there, even if they're incredibly prolific and talented, it doesn't matter. The thing that terrifies me the most is how many other people Marty has probably done this to, but they took the money rather than speaking out, and Marty isn't the only example of this, there's countless executives that do the same shit behind closed doors, Mick is just too passionate about his work to let it slide, and he put his foot down. The truth matters more.
@infinitesimotel
8 ай бұрын
It's called privilege of rank. They get away with it because they can, and they do. Sic vita est.
@ff789n10
3 ай бұрын
They'll get their reckoning dont worry, if not in this life then what about the afterlife? Everyone will have to give an account
@OfficialDJSoru
2 ай бұрын
The one name that immediately comes to mind regarding these practices is Randy Pitchford after some stuff that was mentioned towards some of his behaviors towards staff, like Claptrap's VA, but at least Gearbox devs admitted the guy makes good on the bonuses he promises, so that makes him marginally better than Martin in this regard.
@adrammelechthewroth6511
2 ай бұрын
Agreed. I would have quit ages ago. Reputation be damned.
@Conserpov
2 ай бұрын
What should _really_ terrify you most is this is just corporate America in a nutshell. Boeing airplanes, Westinghouse reactors, cars etc. are made under the management of people just like Marty Stratton.
@solomon9655
3 ай бұрын
As a freelancer: F*** Marty. Even just looking at bullet points for the story between Marty and Mick it's obvious who the guilty party is. -A producer goes to Reddit to drag an artist that worked on the ost. Even if everything they say is true, that's kind of weird isn't it? Raises some eyebrows. -Id announced a purchasable soundtrack before telling Mick about it. This is a display of gross ignorance for how long it takes to make music, and as devs they would know that Mick produces music stems for Doom, not complete songs. To make an album with the stems he produced is an entirely new job than the one he was already doing. Look at: literally any band ever and how long it takes for albums to come out, also how most albums have around maybe 10 songs tops on average. -Mick was offered 6 figures to stay silent but decided speaking was more important. Guilty people don't usually do that, they would take the money instead of taking their chances. -Marty keeps bringing the sound producer into this for some reason. If he received grief from fans, it's 100% Marty's fault. -Telling a professional contractor to "get in line" is an enormous red flag. -Marty accepted the ost rewards on behalf of Id. Not Mick, not even Hugo. The...producer? Even though Id had nothing but good to come from Mick getting famous and tying his identity to Doom, Marty grew to irrationally spite him. I want to point out that Marty is simply the executive producer, yet he always insists on standing next to Hugo Martin on camera as if he's just as involved which I'm pretty certain he isn't. Keep in mind that in the games industry, producer means something different in the West than it does in Japan. In Japan, producers are much more hands-on and are basically directors or co-directors. In America, a producer is just the boss that handles business, timelines, manages the employees, and communicates with...the stakeholders. So when Marty is on camera we can't even ensure he's talking to us instead of the investors. Basically, Marty is a peacock. He insists on being on camera to look important when he isn't. He's replaceable. He wants to feel like a rockstar because he manages the Doom team when he's better off doing his actual job pencil pushing instead of stealing Hugo's limelight and slandering freelancers on reddit. TLDR Marty is a redditor
@jonathanwpressman
2 ай бұрын
Reddit is a cesspit huh
@GrandHighGamer
2 ай бұрын
"-Id announced a purchasable soundtrack before telling Mick about it." This was clear to me, he never had any thought of letting Mick work on it. It was always going to be outsourced, until Mick proactively involved himself in the conversation.
@jasperhorne
2 ай бұрын
Its crazy going back in the thread and seeing the edits of people talking shit about Mick being lazy and then 3 years later: "I didn't know", "I had no idea". His reputation was fucked during that period and neither ID or Marty will answer for the gaslighting and misrepresenting the situation.
@jessea4438
2 ай бұрын
@GrandHighGamer Yeah, but they never announced or disclosed it to be produced by Id's sound team, just that it was Mick Gordon's Doom Eternal OST, which is a pretty shitty thing to do, because at face value, the consumer would assume that Mick had complete control over the product when that wasn't the case at all. Legally, there wouldn't be any wrongdoings since all they would have to do would be to put it in the fine print of sorts, but technically not illegal doesn't mean much to an angry audience. I suspect Mick got involved because he wanted to be involved.
@hughquigley5337
2 ай бұрын
Fantastic comment, thank you for sharing this. Also LMFAO true Marty is the worst kind of redditor, the kind that is an insult to even the worse-than-average redditors. The extremely hierarchical, hyper-capitalist structure of the games industry is insane, self-destructive, and needs to be destroyed. Sorry for the long comment. Thanks again for sharing your perspective with the bullet points because I was unaware of some of this
@BudokaiMan-mr9tw
Жыл бұрын
Arkane studios, human head studios, obsidian entertainment, the OG devs who made fallout, wow Bethesda seems to have a long track record of always screwing someone over.
@sorrenblitz805
Жыл бұрын
Maybe it's petty bully style revenge for EA screwing them over on Grid Iron back in the day, btw that's why Madden exists: EA told Bethesda they'd publish a sequel to Grid Iron instead they stole the source code and made Madden.
@fascilime
Жыл бұрын
Corporations cannibalizing themselves whenever they get the chance? Who would've guessed
@ryszakowy
Жыл бұрын
It starts with bethesda slapping their filthy logo on games they didn't made. Then there's crunch Shady deals Corpo actions Not only bethesda doesn't know how to make fallout they also don't know how to contract freelancers
@Mirthful_Midori
Жыл бұрын
@@ryszakowy Bethesda doesn't know how to make games in general. Emil actually admitted they don't even follow design documents in his 'Talks From Story' presentation.
@lasarousi
Жыл бұрын
@@Mirthful_Midori you don't need to follow pre existing design if you're creative and passionate enough with money being the least of your interests. That clearly is not the case with Bethesda, they're incompetent period. That's the equivalent of "writing a book without knowing what language you're writing in"
@justachilldude8426
Жыл бұрын
Wow, I have experienced a lot of rage just hearing about this, can’t imagine actually living it. I’m not sure exactly what Mick Gordon can do going forwards, but I hope this leads to Marty losing his job because some of his actions aren’t even legal, never mind how disgusting and deplorable they are. Even if he lost his job, I doubt he’ll ever have to suffer nearly as much as he’s made Gordon or others, failing to disclose deadlines, crunching 20 hour days, then rejecting and stealing music. He is so lucky that Gordon has covered his ass for so long. Although, call it naive, I suppose all I’d want is for him to is to acknowledge his behavior and stop being both a fraud and an active nuisance to the people he works with, but that appears to be too much for him. He has a serious ego problem to think he’s owed anything from somebody he has stolen money from, publically slandered, repeatedly insulted personally, and more. I feel bad speaking so badly about someone I have not met, but to say this behavior is extremely unprofessional is putting it somewhat lightly given how he has been given repeated opportunities over literal years to change course. Thank you for bringing attention to this topic!
@rottenfruit7833
Жыл бұрын
Wage/labor theft is the most predominant theft in the world. If you think this is bad it gets so much worse once you start looking east.
@thedarkdragon1437
Жыл бұрын
Mick can use class action lawsuit against bethesda
@caingamin2
Жыл бұрын
@@thedarkdragon1437 he would have done that earlier but he said he cant afford it so maybe not
@cosmictreason2242
Жыл бұрын
Did Mick steal Marty’s girlfriend or something? This kind of bitchiness in a man is something you only see from someone who feels emasculated.
@josedorsaith5261
Жыл бұрын
@@cosmictreason2242 I was thinking the same thing. That's the kind of energy you see by a man who just got cucked
@J--Dubs
2 ай бұрын
Toxic narcissists in positions of power over you are the worst. Had to deal with someone like that during my undergrad who was in control of the university's co-op program. These people constantly make terrible mistakes (as you would expect someone that doesn't properly evaluate the views of others against their own) and will forever try to throw everyone else under the bus until their dying breath no matter how obvious their own culpability is.
@RangerMcFriendly
Ай бұрын
They are also almost always sociopaths too! No empathy. Just selfish ambition no matter the cost to others. My FIL and SIL are both narcissistic sociopaths and the damage they did to my wife growing up cannot be overstated. I encourage everyone to read up on these types of people and avoid them as much as possible.
@jayr7965
19 күн бұрын
Yep people like that are very very common in positions of power. Sadly it's easier for someone with no empathy and a talent for self aggrandization and shifting blame to rise in large organisations.
@RangerMcFriendly
19 күн бұрын
@@jayr7965 excellently stated
@nekochibi2256
Жыл бұрын
It’s not surprising mick waited 2 years to post this. The article clearly states how much stalling and time wasting occurred to settle this. The thing that boggles me the most about this is that Mick isn’t some random feelancer that was on boarded to Doom Eternal. He’s the dude that won the previous game who had the same leads their musical awards, and is a huge name in the industry. How do you treat someone who’s brought you so much success and is so key to the franchise like that? The reason so many people believed Marty is cause it would be done for iD to treat Mick this way. But lo and behold, video game industry trends prevail. I can’t believe iD wouldn’t settle for mick to redo the OST. That is beyond nice as an offer after all this.
@iratepirate3896
Жыл бұрын
Game producers are infamously idiotic and arrogant.
@legros731
Жыл бұрын
How Mick di*k taste clown The poor little guy lol who care about this moron he not even that great and seem to be real slow in is work he just a whinny little bitch Just like this generation of lazy moron who cannot do hard work and alway complain it's hard working and can't even do a full 40 hour week
@nekochibi2256
Жыл бұрын
@@legros731 You alright dude? You seem to be a little irate.
@legros731
Жыл бұрын
@@nekochibi2256 perfectly good thank you for asking
@oleevv
Жыл бұрын
"How do you treat someone who's brought you so much success and is so key to the franchise like that?" Jealousy maybe? Because Mick Gordon is highly respected? Sounds really childish, but stupid people have the habit of acting very immaturely...
@BobDerGute84
Жыл бұрын
If a legend like Mick Gordon gets treated like this, I don’t wanna know the ordeals freelancers with smaller names have to go through.
@Valstein0
2 ай бұрын
Freelancers are treated like prostitutes or worse. It's atrocious. I freelanced twice and never did again. Whether it's hundreds of thousands of dollars or 50 dollars, people get drunk on the power they have over freelancers and take their miserable lives out on them.
@Sinyao
2 ай бұрын
That's the thing: You do. Not because it's pleasant, but the smaller guys deserve justice and respect too. We all started somewhere.
@DeaconPain
2 ай бұрын
@@Sinyaothis. We need to get more people outraged about this. Freelancers need to be seen and protected
@eragonawesome
Ай бұрын
Exactly the same thing happens, it just happens to those smaller freelancers
@crazymcgee3604
3 ай бұрын
And now, a year later, the trailer for Doom: The Dark Ages just dropped. It looks and sounds amazing but I can't forget that id slandered and nearly blacklisted one of the best game audio producers of our time. id has a year to issue a retraction and/or apology to Mick Gordon. (Edit: 1.2K likes?! Thanks to everyone that took the time to read and comment!)
@ARStudios2000
3 ай бұрын
I'd say its the executive decision makers at iD that we should aim that at, not the entire studio itself. They're still passionate people working there, but its ego trippers like Marty that need a good comeuppance.
@coltonwilkie241
2 ай бұрын
Marty needs to be fired.
@MegaMaster1021
2 ай бұрын
I can already see Marty acting like nothing happened what a POS
@waleedabdullahkhan5706
2 ай бұрын
Sad for us
@waleedabdullahkhan5706
2 ай бұрын
Wish Mick made the soundtrack for the new game
@nfsfreakism
Жыл бұрын
I never believed Mick Gordon was ever in the wrong. His prior work even before Doom and Wolfenstein are still absolute bangers. "Village of Whispers" is one of my favorite tracks he's done and his work is almost the unsung hero of anything he worked on
@nicolala7132
Жыл бұрын
Ahh a Killer Instinct fan I see.
@nfsfreakism
Жыл бұрын
@@nicolala7132 oddly enough, no. I just like his soundtracks. He helped revitalize Wolfenstein and he isnt even credited with it all that much
@JH70778
Жыл бұрын
For me Mick Gorden is every bit as inspiring as John Williams was to me.I love his work and his music in doom is magical.I also am a KI fan lol.
@2137xd
Жыл бұрын
@@JH70778 how do u even misspell the name of the person that this vid and the whole comment section is about u really have to be special
@DishiFQ
Жыл бұрын
The amount of vitriol I developed toward Marty when I read the letter is unfathomable.
@Shadowstarr5
2 ай бұрын
Game trailer looked cool, but, I'll be passing this time. I refuse to support abusive companies.
@FrogmanhatesQibli
2 ай бұрын
You could pirate it.
@jasperhorne
2 ай бұрын
facts. Not going to pay for it until there is an apology or Mick is compensated.
@mrscruffles801
2 ай бұрын
I'll sail the high seas for the game, Bethesda deserves nothing for it
@anotherone3815
2 ай бұрын
Its on gamepass soo
@zamfir2005
2 ай бұрын
Might as well give up games. Even in the indie industry there are quite often cases of people abusing their co-workers. The only games where you're sure this won't happen is the games developed by a single person. Because there the single dev can only abuse oneself. Which... Is not great either, but life do be like that. If others don't fuck you over, you'll often end up doing it yourself.
@CaffeinatedHiFi
Жыл бұрын
I think it's extremely important for every single person hearing about this to actually sit down and read Mick's letter. I literally had to take breaks listening to it myself. Not because of its length, but from the sheer amount of second hand anxiety I was getting just reading about it. If Marty had conceded to just ONE of Mick's requests, they probably could have salvaged the situation. But Marty was on such a massive power trip, that he literally could not concede to anything, EVEN WHEN IT WAS TO HIS OWN BENEFIT. They could have had a better product to sell and made more money, but he was so far up his own ass, he couldn't stand to be flexible on literally anything. Marty is the amalgamation of every horrible manager that ever existed.
@thedarkdragon1437
Жыл бұрын
Marty is pretty much the most common manager in our world
@radilime
Жыл бұрын
marty stratton, the ultrakaren
@DustyLamp
Жыл бұрын
@@thedarkdragon1437 literally this. You don't become a manager by being anything other than a bag of greedy weasel shit.
@ShiningDarknes
Жыл бұрын
After the success of doom 2016 and the pressure to release eternal Marty seems to have developed borderline sociopathy. I mean 2016 released with basically no drama at least from the development team side of things but then this? Yikes.
@trustytrest
Жыл бұрын
Dude is so insistent on "making a point" that he'd rather murder a woman in broad daylight than daring to listen to a single other person in his entire life.
@Kaybeeguy
Жыл бұрын
Honestly surprised how Mick handled the situation. Most people would've just said "Fuck this shit, I'm not doing this." and leave immediately after the red flags were shown, but he stuck around for the whole project up to the OST's release (Which was of course horrible). What's worse is Mick pretty much was treated like an afterthought rather than just a big part of bring Doom Eternal's soundtrack to life. I think Mick definitely should've been treated with more respect by Marty, because someone like him does not deserve to be a higher up at Id Software, and managing a franchise as beloved as Doom. He just needed to pay Mick the money, and just be done with it, assuming he even had the money to begin with. It's a situation that is beyond frustrating. I hope Marty get's fired from all this, since it's just purely disgusting behavior, and I think myself and the Doom community can agree that we don't want these types of people working for a company that created one of gaming's most beloved franchises. Mick said it best himself. "I didn't quit Doom. I quit a toxic client." It's so sad that Mick is not alone on this. To all the freelancers out there, if you've ever received this kind of harassment, I'm terribly sorry. You guys deserve better. I hope Mick can see this, and know that I'm sorry this has happened. He did not deserve this.
@rna151
Жыл бұрын
I mean, he let Zenimax talk him into having the payment for the Rust (I think it was?) soundtrack he'd already done be lumped into the Eternal OST's payment so they kind of had him over a barrel. Which was kind of a running theme in the whole thing. Man needs a better agent.
@legros731
Жыл бұрын
Lol why pay someone for incomplete work and he signed the contract with the deadline nobody forced him he wanted all the flower from this he a narcissist he was fully aware that doom 2016 was is best work and wanted to capitalize on this he was a nobody before that without doom he would not be where he is now
@dyveira
Жыл бұрын
iD Software died years ago, now it's just a shell run by a bunch of shysters.
@misterhuman6469
Жыл бұрын
@@legros731found marty’s alt
@legros731
Жыл бұрын
@@misterhuman6469 you unmasked me excellent detective work Sherlock lol But seriously I was wondering why they where that many Mick accounts arguing with each other Mick this is called schizophrenia and the voice are just inside yours little head no wonder you can't respect contract deadline that you signed
@terminalcreature1560
2 ай бұрын
Marty, while holding a bunch of Mick's awards: "Mick is unprofessional, antagonistic and incompetent."
@dudarino666
2 ай бұрын
Exactly. The game was great, but the soundtrack solidified it all. Mick made a video of how he made that soundtrack and it is just brilliant. This is and will be a notable point in gaming and sound design. The fact that he made people who would normally NEVER listen to that style of music accepting of just how great it fits the game, is far more telling.
@terminalcreature1560
2 ай бұрын
@@dudarino666 What gets me even more is in DOOM 2016, Mick WANTED the soundtrack to be more metal focused but the suits wanted it more wubsteppy. He found a decent middle ground, created a system for it to be a dynamic soundtrack (it shifts with the fights) and won awards and clout in the industry for his innovation. THEN Eternal came out and he said "more metal" and made an ost that blew 2016 out of the water. One thing leads to another, Mick leaves on really bad terms with the company (if what he said happened was true, beyond justified) yet urges fans to still support DOOM Eternal because so much work went into it by the dev team. I still love Eternal. But with this company as it isnow, it's the finale of the series for me.
@LeGnomeLMP
Жыл бұрын
This video just shows that Mick Gordon is one of the biggest treasure of the ENTIRE gaming world. He faced unimaginable shit and still pushed to made the game better
@RacingSnails64
Ай бұрын
He's a fuckin trooper. He was going through all that horrible toxic bullshit and STILL delivered not just great music, but *more* music than what he did for 2016. It's crazy that Eternal has quality music at all after all the stress and rushing. He stuck it out and deserves every reward he can get for it.
@StoredInTheBalls
Жыл бұрын
Never try to be reasonable with sociopaths. Give them every ounce of spite you can
@thomas.thomas
Жыл бұрын
don't give them any spite, just let them rot on their own and walk away mold spreads keep away or throw away
@VergiliosSpatulas
3 ай бұрын
@@thomas.thomas Beta mindset
@Harbingeruprisingofficial
2 ай бұрын
Spite wouldnt help. It would only make it worse, and cost Mick money he was owed….
@dino3965
2 ай бұрын
@@VergiliosSpatulasoverly emotional mindset
@adrianaslund8605
2 ай бұрын
@@VergiliosSpatulasNo. It's a sigma mindset. Stoic mindset.
@Seneillion
4 ай бұрын
The fact that Marty Stratton was such a blatant, extravagant liar was what really got to me. He seemed to have had a personal vendetta against Mick and went to extreme lengths to pursue it. I mean, what a piece of work.
@Jolis_Parsec
Жыл бұрын
The example about Sandy’s City gets even worse when you take into account that it was a demo of one of Bobby Prince’s songs from DOOM II all the way back in the 90s and was submitted to Id under the impression that it was merely to get their feedback on what direction they’d like the soundtrack to go in, the cherry on top being that they didn’t get Bobby’s permission to use it in-game nor did they credit him anywhere in the soundtrack’s credits for its inclusion in the soundtrack.
@AlriikRidesAgain
Жыл бұрын
I have no idea how Mick stood by so long with this. He is a legend. He is the reason we got Casey Edwards for DMCV. He put Omegasparxxx into KI. He seems so chill, and is a music philosopher. Just another reminder that there are better than myself, perhaps.
@ShiningDarknes
Жыл бұрын
Probably because he was trying to be professional and handle things behind the scenes instead of appealing to the mob like an immature sociopath.
@AlriikRidesAgain
Жыл бұрын
@@ShiningDarknes I mean, fair.
@thatitalianlameguy2235
Жыл бұрын
@@ShiningDarknes helena Taylor moment
@TylerInTraining
Жыл бұрын
Mick is also probably the primary reason that Industrial Metal is in vogue again. That hasn't been the case since probably the early 2000s, and it's a welcome change.
@lordphill807
Жыл бұрын
What's the connection between Mick and Casey Edwards doing DMC5?
@thecalmbro
2 ай бұрын
The worst part to me is that, as mentioned early, this kind of stuff happens literally all the time in the entertainment industry. It's one of the key reasons for such high burnout rates in video game work in particular. People just want to make good fun products, and then shitty, egotistical, greedy managers and corporate figures screw over the people that make their entire jobs and lifestyle possible while taking all the credit and none of the blame. People working countless hours for months or years on end, spending little to no time outside of work, getting divorced because they're never home for their family, losing friends, all that just to put out a game on some arbitrary release schedule. Think of how many buggy, broken AAA games have come out in the last few years. Stories like these built all of those games, ruining lives and careers, all for a game that people trash, send death threats over and forget about in weeks. And the suits never lose their jobs, only the talent that actually makes it all possible. It is WELL beyond time for the video game and entertainment industry to unionize. People who love art and know how it works should be making the decisions, not people who haven't the faintest clue or care for everything that goes into it and are just there to get paid for churning through people so another anthem or battlefield 2042 get crapped out.
@NerdyGardevoir
Жыл бұрын
I really hope more people see this. I had no idea this was even a thing! Any freelancer doing work that they love don’t deserve to be treated like this. If it’s something they love, they’ll do it for their own price. Creators aren’t always the issue, sometimes it’s the commissioner that is the issue and the disconnect between the two.
@CarlMakesVideos
Жыл бұрын
The Marty letter was also believable, because it could be summarized in brief and reported on as just "Mick Gordon took too long to complete the OST", and that's believable because people can easily accept an artist being a perfectionist, and Gordon has a history of barely making deadlines (namely with his work on Killer Instinct, this is a documented anecdote from him). I'm sure Marty knew that when he made the post.
@gothicanimeangel96
Жыл бұрын
And there is still a huge difference between “barely making a deadline” and “not making a deadline”. All that really matters is making it, and if you do, that is professional and timely of you regardless of if you were stressing to get to it.
@BrainDancer
Жыл бұрын
I'm sure there's some manipulated truth to a lot of what Marty says. It just lacks so much context and seems super biased. He really seemed to be out of touch with Mick's work as a whole- far from being able to say anything with any real authority.
@ramblincapuchin9075
Жыл бұрын
@@gothicanimeangel96 I concur, that's an all or none philosophy on behalf of the top brass. You'll meet a ton of those in the business world So because 5 hours worth of content was required and only 4.8 was submitted, it somehow invalidates the value of it's contribution to the actual project. This is because 'managers' have no concept of artistic credibility only figures and projections The idea that you can be sued because the quality would be noticable on a soundtrack is smack of reptilian genetics. There is no breathing room for the human component to contributing to ones career Mick is right, you ought to vet your clients thoroughly.
@legros731
Жыл бұрын
@@BrainDancer you could say the exact same for Mick version
@BrainDancer
Жыл бұрын
@@legros731 Mick just seems to have a lot more specifically to point to
@Standbackforscience
Жыл бұрын
what annoys me the most in all of this is how the gaming "community" always needs try to fix things by issuing death threats to whoever they believe is in the wrong
@jakubkahoun8383
Жыл бұрын
There was research about similar topics. Basically hearing the "bad news" over and over again its worse that being near or victim for short time. For example Boston marathon participants was more ok (not the one who was shoot at but near ones) than the people who was hearing about it for 6 hours from the news. I think human psychis is not build for masive income of negative information for long time.
@LS-wy4bk
Жыл бұрын
Meaningless threats made by wimps
@Apathy474
Жыл бұрын
I didn't threaten to kill anyone but I told Marty to go stick his dick in a paper shredder on my steam review so.. it got banned unfortunately after a few weeks
@justinmelkert2899
2 ай бұрын
Are you simping for the suits? seriously? wtf is wrong with you?
@exhydraboy2429
2 ай бұрын
@@justinmelkert2899 Mick also received threats and harassment.
@spoofy8867
Жыл бұрын
I remember when Mick aired the dirt a few months ago and I’ll never forget how iD responded by retweeting Mick’s post and suggesting that it was irresponsible of him to post what he posted because he was subjecting their developers to harassment and damaging their reputations. It was a fucking abysmal and nihilistic attempt to save face by once again trying to vilify Mick, and my anger was only tempered by the fact that not only did most of the commenters see through iiD’s bullshit, but Mick himself retweeted iD’s post saying that the development team were professional and that he had no issues with them nor wanted anyone to go after any of the devs, he felt only Marty deserved to cop the flak
@zalamael
2 ай бұрын
I took a dislike to Marty Stratton when I saw him on stage trying to 'spin' the extra lives addition to Doom Eternal as some kind of 'cool, retro feature'. It smacked of bullshit in the way he presented it. Then when I played Doom Eternal, I realised the extra lives were a cop out to compensate for being pinned in a corner by demons when going through a glory kill/chainsaw animation. Same with the blood punch. You come out of the animation to find yourself surrounded, and if your blood punch isn't charged, you can die before you can shoot your way out of it. They added extra lives so players wouldn't complain about being killed due to bad mechanics/design (far more common in the ultra nightmare mode where you only get one life). The guy just reeks of being a con artist. Put him in his own room with as much milk as he can drink, and an unlimited supply of crayons, and keep him away from any kind of design decisions.
@ckorp666
2 ай бұрын
i know ppl love the feeling of spinning all the plates in a flow state, but from the early trailers i thought eternal was extremely bloated mechanics-wise. like some coked-up lead was saying "now add THIS, and THIS, and these morons LOVE grapple hooks, and ooooh look at those tracer dashes in OW thats kinda neat, ..." and the design team had to cobble it all together also, the writing in '16 felt like it was done by adults who care about their work. eternal on the other hand.........
@yuh.
2 ай бұрын
@@ckorp666I haven’t played 2016 but I think the coked up amount of abilities in eternal is the reason I won’t. Chaining all those abilities together and managing every system in game just makes it all the more satisfying when it goes well. That said, if you fall asleep at the wheel and forget to manage ammo/health/armor, you get cooked and it’s frustrating. I actually think the majority of the bloat surrounds all the upgrading systems in the game- as it felt like every mission they added a new element to that which had to be managed through boring menus and animations..
@LucasBadur
2 ай бұрын
@@ckorp666 I think 2016 was a more concise game overall. Plus, relevant to the topic, the soundtrack is much superior...
@shallowhound2751
Жыл бұрын
What bothers me the most about this situation is how borderline unprofessional and cruel Marty is to Mick, to an almost... idk hateful degree that can only really be described as pure envy. It's well established that Mick Gordon is well liked by people (inside and outside the gaming industry) for his professionalism, yet even after the success of DOOM 2016's soundtrack that Marty still treated Mick Gordon like trash for the next project. It really speaks a lot about Marty's insecurities as a human being. Even if they are his insecurities, there is no excuse for it and he's hurting other people and himself by doing this! Another thing that does bother me is the whole trophy thing, like. i cannot describe how flabbergasted i am with high ups keeping the awards that are credited to Mick Gordon. It's comparable to someone copying your art and resposting it elsewhere without crediting the original artist who put time and effort into that work. I won't be surprised if Mick Gordon's statement encourages any former co-workers or workers in the game industry (or any industry) to come forward with their own horror stories or allegations against the former companies they worked for or worked in. On a more positive note, despite all of this terribleness Mick has experienced, he has been approach by big metal core/heavy rock bands to work on some projects! He's already worked with Bring Me the Horizon's Post Human: Survival Horror, and recently this year he worked with Motionless in White for their album 'Scoring the End of the World'. I recommend people check those albums out they are very much worth your time :)
@barnabyjones692
12 күн бұрын
Borderline?
@dony2852
Жыл бұрын
This really looked like Marty had personal animosity towards Mick. Otherwise cotract negotiations should have started in November at the very least since Marty would not have to worry about "distracting" Mick from working on the score at that point. As for Chad Mossholder, it still baffles me how he could screw up the OST so badly despite having so many months to work on it. It make me wonder if he dumped the work on an intern and then tried to take credit.
@elecman748
Жыл бұрын
Maybe Marty and Chad are friends and Chad asked for his moment to shine to Marty and he accepted bcs that's what friends do, but Zenimax wanted Mick in the project, so Marty was actively screwing everything so Mick would quit and give the chance to Chad.
@TheChzoronzon
Жыл бұрын
Chad yesterday deleted his Tweeter account... cause Elon Musk blablabla fascist blablabla Suuuure :D the little rat...
@TheRibbonRed
Жыл бұрын
@@elecman748 all while using Mick's music. Chad led good SFX for the game, but he's no music maker.
@TheRibbonRed
Жыл бұрын
@Sasha Lemay Marty doesn’t wear suits, but pretty sure he's also responsible. Instead of fighting back against the MBAs that rushed the launch, he scapegoated every problem to "Mick bad" & ruined his name.
@rafsandomierz5313
Жыл бұрын
@@TheRibbonRed I think if Mick sued Marty for breaking his reputation he would win that easy.
@kevinhaynes9091
3 ай бұрын
Working in the video game industry should be everyone's dream, but it just sounds like a goddam nightmare...
@Setmose
2 ай бұрын
One word: Fortnite. How giant money destroyed the other studio, Epic Games.
@toreole5831
2 ай бұрын
Rule of thumb: avoid corporations who are dedicated to increasing shareholder value. Only work with studios whose primary goal is making good games. Indie studios, large independents who arent publicly traded, and those with a good reputation
@mrscruffles801
2 ай бұрын
Working on the AAA industry Fixed it
@hughquigley5337
2 ай бұрын
Bosses and corporations love industries where people are driven by passion for their craft because that means they can manipulate their workers more easily. The games industry needs to be unionized because this crap is unacceptable
@lxpnlxpn
Ай бұрын
They don't care about you remember that always
@nullbuttler5908
Жыл бұрын
This is one of the most disgusting forms of abuse I’ve seen of an free lance artist I’ve ever seen. How can this be allowed why do managers and companies for that matter feel the need to treat someone like this, they gain nothing from it
@lasarousi
Жыл бұрын
You're seeing corporations as an entity, in reality there's no entity, there's just little individual, human factors that can be easily swayed by capital or threat. Humans are horrible, and one having more power than others is always a recipe for disgusting displays of bureaucracy solely to fuck with someone else. Cue this situation spelt because a head honcho got offended a single guy stood to his capricious lifestyle.
@asimplepie2279
Жыл бұрын
Because money, greed, and power. Just look at Marty, he seemed off from the start. Hugo Martin was the likable guy and Marty was just kinda there.
@gsaad464
Жыл бұрын
You hate 1 in 23 people for no reason
@Dr.Oofers
14 күн бұрын
@@gsaad464 Bad bait.
@motleythewild
Жыл бұрын
Imagine being an artist and your current project is your "baby". That's why he wanted another go at the OST. They butchered his baby so he rightfully wanted to fix it. To reflect his abilities as a creator, instead of his reputation continuing to get smashed into the dirt.
@drrodopszin
2 ай бұрын
If you work at a company as a regular employee you are fired for less damage than this. It is crazy how leadership are not held responsible for the damage they cause both to employee/conctractor trust and to the public image of the company.
@PanzerMan332
Жыл бұрын
I remember being in a general video game news subreddit that the open letter was cross-posted to. Even at the time, it rubbed me the wrong way how many people were SCARILY ready to accept the word of a video game exec over the freelance artist, easily assuming Mick was just some talented but toxic / hard to work with musician. The irony is that this subreddit typically prided itself on being pro worker, especially for game devs. Needless to say, I'm no longer in that subreddit.
@trustytrest
Жыл бұрын
The naïve and gullible love to believe their own lies as much as they believe others'. They just wont ever lift a finger to help any of the workers they "support"
@plebestrian9323
Жыл бұрын
take the final step and leave that cesspool of a website altogether, your mental health will improve tenfold
@PunishedDad
2 ай бұрын
Lol reddit moment
@generic6099
2 ай бұрын
reddit users are pretty much NPCs lol
@Lancersilva
Жыл бұрын
This might be the most press the Mick Gordon situation is getting. I hope we can still get the Doom Eternal ost one day but on his terms.
@valkyrie321
2 ай бұрын
As someone who’s worked in this industry for nearly two decades, sadly this is common as hell.
@MartianBuddy
Жыл бұрын
I dismissed the open letter. 1) he created the 12 tracks, marty's claim didn't make sense that he wasnt able to produce on time etc. 2) diva behavior seems out of character, from his talk about the process, putting together a metal chior etc. he seem very passionate. I chalked it up as miscommunication and hoping it was just covid crunch...
@EdwardVGrimm
Жыл бұрын
Well done homie. As someone who was attached to ZM group not that long ago, I can tell you that: 1. Z Execs and their legal arm are no joke on how shrewd they are. 2. MS and Adam "SE" P. (Initials cuz I did signed a contract before leaving) are hella childish and entitled AF, but then again, they learnt to harness that behaviour from the boss (TH) before he left id. 3. Chad's move of attaching his name to the OST despite not composing any music and doing a sh*t job of it, is very much indicative of a work culture where ego/rank/prestige (and who you cuddle up to) is more important than ethics and skill. That kind of behavior didn't start with Chad but two Sound Directors ago. While Carmack was still in the building (but was plotting for his way out) 4. While it wasn't the fault of all id employees, I fault many of them because sound design is a crucial part of the (DOOM) gameplay and NOBODY (That we know of, so far) chose to stand up to MS (While he's Studio Director, the chain of command within id allows for him to be overridden/overruled), so they knew. (Granted, it's likely this was discussed internally and (like me) were given a reinforced/enhanced NDA to sign or be severed, so they chose to keep quiet and protect their jobs) 5. Now that there is egg on their face, there is no way ZM will back down or stop protecting MS. The best possible outcome is that they'll remain quiet (after their latest statement) and then either stall with their "evidence" (That they're scrambling to gather) or threaten legal flex and MAYBE clap back (Cuz their legal coffers are hella deep), but it'll be a nothing 🍔. 6. ZM's Sr. VPs of PR and MKTG (Not Bethesda's Pete Hines) have already stepped in and outlined the reputational damage caused by MS, however, IMO he'll still be around for upcoming titles, but will no longer be public-facing. ZM staff contracts for execs (Such as MS) are 4-5 Yrs. deep in length and it's more cost effective to shuffle MS around and "weather the storm" than to sever his contract or get involved in legal recourse for wrongful termination. #CarryOn.
@gtrslinger
Жыл бұрын
So you are saying we shoot take him out another way? Gotcha!
@DustyLamp
Жыл бұрын
@@gtrslinger flaming bags of dog poop on the doorstep daily, to start.
@EdwardVGrimm
Жыл бұрын
@Malice with how easy it is on Social to BS around and "hide behind the keyboard" I don't blame you for taking everything I said with a giant grain of salt or not believing me, but I'm at peace with my time at ZM and it was an enormous source of pride to call some of the ZM staff I rallied with fellow peers. I saw id getting acquired, Rage (less than stellar launch), Carmack leaving, Doom getting rebuilt, the whole FB/Occulus beef, and selling to Papa Phil... But again, I'm just some random dude, so I don't blame you. :) - NGL, it sucks because the studio has A LOT of amazingly talented, passionate people, but you can see how the culture changed as people began to move up the ladder and ZM "priming" id to make it as financially efficient to make it as attractive as possible, so their IP valuation wouldn't degrade during the sale. I know at the end of the day is Biz, but yeah, being beholden to a cutthroat holdings company will tarnish the love/ideals you had about the industry before going in. Anyway, Legal takes their holidays VERY seriously so I doubt we'll hear anything from id/Bethesda until Q1 2023, but I do hope (albeit slim) they acknowledge their f*ck-up, make right by Mick, and learn from their mistake, making hard strides to earn their place as pro-consumer, creative pillars of industry instead of a bunch of entitled assh*les. #CarryOn.
@SianaGearz
Жыл бұрын
@@EdwardVGrimm "Studio has a lot of talented people" that's how it always is isn't it, gamedev attracts such people; and usually crushes their soul. I've been hesitant to directly enter this workforce myself, but i did work on an engine that shipped a number of largely shovelware games in the past.
@EdwardVGrimm
Жыл бұрын
@@SianaGearz Kudos to you for doing Engine Dev work. That's A WHOLE another beast of work, so props to ya. :) I wasn't a Creative or a Dev during my time working there, but we were part of the team tasked to have other studios under the ZM/Bethesda umbrella to either "embrace" (more like push/ultimatum if I'm honest) the Creation Engine which so many refused or shift around resources for id to build upon id Tech 4 to IT5 (Since 4 was the last engine Carmack did before leaving and only like 4 people in a team of 60ish -At the time - knew all the ins and outs necessary to make it better)
@Timic83tc
3 ай бұрын
Mick was watching me play killer instinct at some tournament near launch, didnt even know it was him, what a guy
@brentreimer6411
Жыл бұрын
I almost feel slimy for paying for D:E and the DLC's after learning this. Read MG's entire article and I'm disheartened to learn that such a talented composer was treated with all of this abuse.
@thrackerzod6097
Жыл бұрын
When I look good for pirating it, something is horribly wrong
@thehazardousmemer1746
Жыл бұрын
Get a refund
@Hydrazine1000
Жыл бұрын
I had an absolute blast with Doom 2016, yet I have Doom Eternal sitting installed on SSD, unfinished to this day. I started a playthrough twice but never played past the first levels. It's as if I somehow knew something was off. (Yes, I know, that's quite impossible really, but I like the thought anyway.) That SSD is soon going to see some extra free space though. I don't feel like giving DE another attempt anytime soon.
@iscariot90
Жыл бұрын
Same, I'm so pissed
@lordfelidae4505
Жыл бұрын
Pirate it, then. Even if you already have it, pirate it on moral principle.
@joschi5540
Жыл бұрын
Damn, I feel so bad for Mick. And I was one of the morons who believed in Martys open letter. I hope Mick Gordon recovers from this and continues to create awesome soundtracks :)
@gtrslinger
Жыл бұрын
Never ever believe a corporate shell. Ever
@TheBubbeloo
Жыл бұрын
Problem with that is, until Mick's reputation is cleared up by getting a public statement from Marty he might find it difficult to find professional work.
@strigers8007
Жыл бұрын
Well, Mick produced Post Human Survival Horror by Bring Me The Horizon, and you can tell his influence by just taking a listen to it. I hope he can keep on delivering good music in or out of Doom.
@vladpalets
Жыл бұрын
You are a fucking NPC, you ARE the problem with the world today. A human dog.
@toothpasteicecreamandorang217
Жыл бұрын
I believed the letter too until I heard the other side of the story
@kurdtcoben
2 ай бұрын
I could understand that working with someone as eccentric and perfectionist as Mick Gordon could be seen as complicated or even bothersome but trying to paint him as unprofessional is the biggest lie they tried to push in that situation. I think it speaks volumes that Mick tried to salvage the situation and deliver on a quality product even when faced with such hostility and him not publicly speaking out about it before gathering all the facts and exploring his legal options is the MOST professional way anyone could have handled such a situation.
@BenjaminSteber
Жыл бұрын
If you’re going to fuck over a team member, you better not try to fuck them over a masterpiece. The masterpiece will win. Mick bit his tongue, let the OST do the talking for him and then, when all anyone could hear is BFG division and the only thing they fear is you, that’s when he told his half of the story. Argent Metal. The guy invented a genre out of this work. You’re not going to outlast that kind of talent. Mick gave id 2.5 years to make some kind of amends. More than enough time. Now comes payback.
@sorashirogami1729
Жыл бұрын
A big part of the reason why it's so easy to believe Marty's open letter is because of the sheer quality if Mick's work on the first Doom OST. He made such a banger soundtrack that it's clear to all of us outside the industry that Mick is the golden egg-laying goose for iD. There's no way in hell iD and Bethesda is gonna fuck him over, they wouldn't dare... Right? And lo and behold, corporate greed strikes yet again.
@MichaelRicksAherne
7 ай бұрын
Not even sure this is corporate greed so much as just an extreme narcissist on a power trip. There were several moments in the saga where the most profitable thing to do would have been to bury the hatchet, and yet still they doubled-down on lies.
@RhysClark97
3 ай бұрын
I will never forgive Marty Stratton for this, i remember the whole thing from start to finish, Micks post was bittersweet, confirmation he didnt fuck up, but also that he wouldnt work with ID again until Marty is gone.
@rickyrackey7930
Ай бұрын
Stratton is the real Betrayer. Not Valen.
@demonicaxeman7264
Жыл бұрын
So basically, Mick Gordon was the Doomslayer the entire time... Slaying Marty's demons throughout Hell.
@donda2111
Жыл бұрын
Ngl I was always a bit iffy about Marty, there was just something off about him to me compared to any of the other ID devs so I guess I was on to something. Really sad so see them treat a musical genius like Mick like this, the man is arguably responsible for at least half of the success the recent games have had. Even people who don't play the games know about the soundtrack being absolute god-tier.
@braddeicide
2 ай бұрын
Full time employees get this treatment also, it's just how big businesses allow their leadership to rot and treat people like this.
@mek101whatif7
Жыл бұрын
This shit is why we need unions. Bosses will abuse us as much as they can if we let them do it
@Rich_P_Anya
Жыл бұрын
The unions don't fix the broken system, sadly. Workplaces should reflect the government they operate under. There is no excuse for dictatorial work hierarchies. We all know better. It's time for change.
@IanWatson
Жыл бұрын
Unfortunately it wouldn't help the situation in this case: unions are for employees, and Mick was not an employee, he was a contractor. Contractors do, however, have their own union equivalent: the guild. (e.g. the Writer's Guild of America, the Screen Actors Guild, etc.)
@sal-1337
Жыл бұрын
no. i work for a union and all they do is take ~$50 from my paycheck every 2 weeks. they also use that money to fund campaigns for elections for a certaon party. i cant speak for unions in other countries, but fuck the teamsters union here in america (the largest union in america if im not mistaken)
@dzjin
Жыл бұрын
Theres things like ASCAP but idk how they work specifically or if there is an equivalent in Australia where Mick is
@Ozzianman
Жыл бұрын
@@IanWatson Note that in other countries, unions may also cover for contractors. Important to know since game dev is international.
@themightymcb7310
Жыл бұрын
I never believed that "open letter". One listen to the mix/master quality of the soundtrack made it crystal clear that Mick didn't make it. It was also VERY unlike him to act even a fraction as unprofessional as he was accused of acting. Lastly, and most importantly, Marty gave literally no evidence for anything that he claimed. Not one iota.
@charlesjuanpunisher1937
8 ай бұрын
As a Doom-and-Quake-LOVER i say: YES MartyStraton has to be FIRED! Or excuse in public and do THERAPY he should NEVER be able to treat honest hard WORKERS like this!! PS: I say this as a Survivor of Bullying and Software-Engineer and DevOps. I wanna fight for people like Mick Gordon!! I stand with him
@gomerjomer9209
2 ай бұрын
Worse part is Marty is an executive at Id. He’s not a worker who can just be “fired” imagine how executives treat game devs like these all over the world. We just don’t hear about it
@mrscruffles801
2 ай бұрын
Okay calling yourself a SURVIVOR of bullying is a bit much. It's an awful thing to do but it's not deadly lol. I agree though he should've been fired the minute Mick's response dropped but of course Id just sat there and said nothing.
@Thedrewby
Ай бұрын
lmao
@Dr.Oofers
14 күн бұрын
@@mrscruffles801 “Bullying” might be downplaying the severity of it, but poor or egotistical leadership/executives is basically the same vein as what Mick experienced. Unfair treatment and favoritism can really fuck up someone who doesn’t understand why they’re being treated poorly, or maybe they catch on to the true motives, but are forced to endure it for the sake of their job and their career (bare in mind you can be blacklisted in some industries, especially game development). Considering this shit can leave people unable to provide basic needs for themselves (just look at where most Acti/blizz employees had to live due to their poor pay); fear their career in the industry will be over should they “step out of line” or “fail to meet expectations”, and wonder if they’re even good enough (which can lead to mental problems of course, or poor self-care as they try to appease someone who will look down upon them no matter what). There’s a reason why a bunch of employees, even lead directors and such, quit projects (just look at Calisto Protocol, Dying Light 2, Halo Infinite, etc.).
@JoeFilms5420
Жыл бұрын
I hope Mick can recover from the disaster that was working on DOOM Eternal, he deserves all the best.
@Wizz15
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, it would be nice if there was a way to send Mick money directly. I mean if I hadn't known all this, I would have had no problems buying the OST and iD making a profit. After this I prefer Mick actually gets compensated for tolerating as much as he did, and preferably iD/Bethesda maybe not profiting from exploiting Mick. In this case I would definitely not buy the OST via channels where iD would reap the profits , but instead send Mick the 100% of the price of that OST directly somehow (and be fine with not being able to listen to the music).
@lasarousi
Жыл бұрын
If I read Mick Gordon's personality correctly, he will have more work than ever. If he's as humble as I think he is, he will be willing to work for lower fees not only to keep himself occupied but because he truly thinks his value was diminished (which is not true btw). Fair people might have bad moments but they'll be fine because they're good workers.
@rickyrackey7930
Ай бұрын
I don’t think QuakeCon 2024 will have an excited crowd as usual, but an angry mob.
@SillyCrilly
Жыл бұрын
I wish this never happened. Majority of the reason I play DOOM is because of the amazing soundtrack, so if the successor doesn’t meet the greatness of Mick’s music, I fear I’m not going to play another DOOM game. This is very sad, and I hope that Mick gets apologies from all of those who criticized him for something he didn’t do. Mick is a great artist, and I hope he composes for the next game.
@gekigami1791
Жыл бұрын
Thankfully Mick is still working in the industry (hopefully that respect him). The upcoming game Atomic Heart is shaping up to be one hell of a ride, in both gameplay AND sound. Mick is composing for that game, see the trailers for the game seriously it's so exciting. He's also making the soundtrack for the upcoming game ROUTINE, there's a trailer for that one too. What we've heard from Atomic Heart so far has actual metal guitar riffs in it, along with Mick's signature style of electronic brain candy. He might be done with Doom, but he's definitely not done with making banger soundtracks for games. As for Doom, David Levy and Andrew Hulshult took the helm for making the soundtrack in the DLC The Ancient God's 1 & 2. While it definitely sounded different, there's a huge amount of potential in those two and both are making their own spin on Mick's style. Check out Hulshult's remake of the Doom 1 soundtrack "IDKFA". It's a hell of a good listen ;) Basically, Mick's future isn't dead, and Doom will probably have an awesome soundtrack again.
@lasarousi
Жыл бұрын
The only reason I bought doom 2016 is exactly for the original music.
@c0mplex_Ale
Жыл бұрын
the soundtrack in the dlc us pretty good at least, but definitely not as good as Mick’s
@y_strikes2770
Жыл бұрын
The only thing you should fear, is him.
@cato3277
2 ай бұрын
Hulshult def seems to be the new Doom composer going forward, and if I had to pick a dude that wasn’t Mick it’d be him. Unfortunately David Levy isn’t working on the next game alongside him, which is a shame as he made some of my favorite DLC tracks for TAG.
@muha0644
Жыл бұрын
Remember kids: AAA piracy is *ALWAYS* moral.
@lasarousi
Жыл бұрын
A reminder that an OFFICIAL DRM FREE executable was provided on day one BY BETHESDA THEMSELVES, that's all you need to know.
@LilyApus
Жыл бұрын
Nah I actually want Doom to get my money so they can make more of then, music is cool, but I also like the game.
@muha0644
Жыл бұрын
@@LilyApus the developers of AAA games are paid upfront, and the possibility of making a game is based purely on market research and polls. Buying AAA games only fills the pockets of shareholders and executives. Fuck them.
@LilyApus
Жыл бұрын
@@muha0644 royalties.
@catfan__
Жыл бұрын
all piracy is always moral
@skade245
Жыл бұрын
Mick MADE doom 2016 as awesome as it is. It’s literally criminal that they wouldn’t make him a top priority in the development of this game.
@RichoRosai
8 ай бұрын
Literally criminal? What kind of crime would it be, and in what jurisdiction?
@RichoRosai
8 ай бұрын
@@JD_Volt So some dumbass doesn't know what literally means, and you don't know what shill means. Idiots of a feather...
@Dr.Oofers
8 ай бұрын
@@RichoRosai Mistreatment (and being purposefully denied pay for *eleven months* ) ?
@RichoRosai
8 ай бұрын
@@Dr.Oofers Yeah, I'm on team Mick. So how am I a shill?
@Dr.Oofers
8 ай бұрын
@@RichoRosai Why are you accusing me of calling you a shill? Is this bait?
@miinyoo
2 ай бұрын
Being a freelancer is very tough. Mick's story is harrowing but not unusual. Smaller scale, this happens all the time and as a freelancer it behooves you to get a contract signed on paper even if you have to send mail back and forth. Physical evidence is the only evidence that matters. Digital evidence works but isn't nearly as good as pen on paper. Moral of the story, if your potential client doesn't want to sign a contract, don't waste your or their time. Verbal agreements are not agreements at all.
@MisterMonsieur
2 ай бұрын
I've done work Pro Bono and still get disrespected. Get a contract with a minimum non-refundable deposit. No exceptions. If the client is genuine and wants to move forwards in good faith, it shouldn't be a problem. "Sign here and send it back with a check." No exceptions!
@insertjokeh3r3
Жыл бұрын
Everyone should listen to micks killer instinct ost's. it gets completely overshadowed by his doom soundtrack despite being way better.
@GangsterFrankensteinComputer
Жыл бұрын
I really love his Prey soundtrack. The Wolf ost is really great as well. Guy just makes music perfect for the game, every time.
@guidedexplosiveprojectileg9943
Жыл бұрын
@@GangsterFrankensteinComputer the prey sound track is a bop
@KainSpada09
Жыл бұрын
The Hisako theme is by far my favorite.
@namesurname624
Жыл бұрын
He did KI? explains why music is so dope
@cobie_
Жыл бұрын
this channel is criminally underrated, you are def going to explode, mark my words
@brutalgod7651
Жыл бұрын
Noted lol
@eges72
Жыл бұрын
As a Freelance graphic designer, These types of clients are indeed the worst I face. The constant pressure, mistreatment, and less payment than promised (I call it scamming) is one of my worst, if not the worst nightmare, like I am a slave worker for a factory owner. Sometimes they go as far as forcing me to work unpaid, or "voluntarily."
@MrLathor
Жыл бұрын
I like how Mick separated the game and most of the people who worked on it from his specific grievances. In these organizations, passing the buck to an outside contractor can be an easy way to avoid accountability.
@rugbyf0rlife
Жыл бұрын
As a freelancer myself, this situation makes my blood absolutely boil. Its clear that marty treated mick with "otherism" and wanted everything in-house. For the sake of working conditions, fairness and sanity, this guy needs to either have is arm bent to publically take full blame. Or he needs to be crushed under the weight of legal pressure.
@zellator
2 ай бұрын
I don't understand why people ever do this, it would have been so much easier to have Mick on board and treat him well. AAA industry is just so full of stupid people.
@IstasPumaNevada
Жыл бұрын
I just read Mick's whole post, and wow. Just... wow. It sounds like it's well past time for a lawsuit: For unpaid work, for making promises about Mick's work that they'd never given him a contract for, and for defamation. This shit is absolutely unacceptable.
@razorwireclouds5708
Жыл бұрын
Among other things, Marty decided to STEAL Mick's music.
@Tzalmavet
Ай бұрын
My blood pressure is up after hearing the details of this situation. An absolute nightmare for anyone put through this. Kudos to Mick Gordon for keeping his cool as much as possible but also compiling evidence and lawyering up before it was too late. Marty Stratton, what a fucking fruit loop. Marty's employment should have been terminated and he should never be allowed anywhere near the gaming industry ever again.
@GobiGaming1
Жыл бұрын
I watched this video thinking this dude had like several million subscribers, looked at the sub count and only had 2 thousand. You are really underrated man, keep it up!
@DaskeXSaku
Жыл бұрын
Remember to always keep receipts. There's a ton of complete assholes out there. None more than in management. They WILL lie straight to your face, lie to everyone else, and devalue and steal your work. I went through this while doing projects at a game development trade school. The person who acted as the producer cut me off with no warning, deleted our slack history, then claimed that I had done no work and gave the credit to themselves and other members. This went to the professor who managed our team who then stated that this person would "go far in the industry". I was so taken aback because this professor was literally there during our meeting when I proposed and developed the game. This producer was someone I RECRUITED because I was the person who made the team in the first place. I ended up in the suicide ward and the university basically just shoved it under the rug. From my perspective many people like the producer I mentioned make it into the industry on a mountain of lies and then when actually tested for competency, they do shit like this. This is unfortunately just how the AAA industry is. The current degradation of quality in these giant companies starts from education and the industry is full of these kind of vile types of people ESPECIALLY IN MANAGMENT. It's always goddamn management. Why? Because it's a position of power where you can easily manipulate others and cover up your own tracks. There's so many examples in both the gaming industry and others where people in management, who should be the most knowledgeable about a project and leaders in their field, end up being the most dishonest, shallow, and incompetent among them. It's so ass backwards. I feel for Mick and I'm glad he got his side of the story out. He has the skills and patience. Huge respect to this man. It's people like him that keep the industry on its feet when shit-stains like Marty scheme and fail.
@Coolguywithshades
2 ай бұрын
I had no idea they did Mick THAT dirty dude what the heck and it sucks that he won’t work on DOOM:DA soundtrack because of the mistreatment but at least we have his work in 2016 and Eternal
@Fritserick
Жыл бұрын
this was a really well made and informative video about the subject, thanks for making it!
@dantheanimator
Жыл бұрын
honestly it shows a lot about Micks character throughout all this and his level of professionalism. I mean obviously this is all second hand info but im amazed that Mick didnt take further legal action in all this, like just get together a crack team and say "Rip and Tear, till it is Done!"
@anakinlowground5515
Жыл бұрын
Second hand info? Mick Gordon wrote his response to Marty's Open Letter himself
@nervaaugustus7089
2 ай бұрын
There's an old saying, "every accusation is a confession." Seldom has it rung more true than Marty Stratton's accusations against Mick Gordon. id, Bethesda, and Zenimax aren't seeing a red cent of mine until I find a public apology for how they've mistreated Mick here. The fact that, at any point, Mick went 11 months without being paid - nearly a year - should be criminal. Utterly criminal. I have held a personal boycott against Bethesda and Zenimax after the umpteenth re-release of Skyrim and the paid mods debacle, not to mention numerous abuses of their playerbases and the communities those playerbases have formed. This has just further justified my decision.
@marcfyre
Жыл бұрын
I'm glad you're spreading this information - it's imperative people do, as this entire story is so wretched that it seems like something out of fiction, and Mick and Marty both deserve justice relative to their roles in this story.
@majortom5724
Жыл бұрын
Full Honesty. When a Zeni-Max Company says something, I never believe a word they say. Mick Gordon was never in question with me
@TheFossilChannel
29 күн бұрын
Hello, i am a freelancer composer who has worked in the industry and i can tell you guys that from experience, many developers and audio designers have little to no idea of what a composers role is in game design. Time constraints are a real thing and usually producers or people like marty dont know or care about the artists and will use any and all avenues to save money and cut down on quality vs quantity. Going behind a composer's back is simpley not good. The story with them releasing demo and sketch or scratch music tracks and other pieces that were "rejected" is a common thing as the audio editor like chad dont care and marty work against composers. This is a clear case of smearing and destroying a composer's work and then throwjng him under the bus when fans didnt like what the developers did. The offer to pay mick to take the blame for the fault of marty and chad is very telling of the bad moral that exists in this world. I dont blame mick at all.
@HighTher3
Жыл бұрын
I am glad that I haven't yet bought eternal. Looks like I'm gonna slap on an eye patch and raise the jolly rodger for this one. Music hits me right in the feels hard, and metal hits double as hard for me, it was the first music genre I truly loved. Doom 2016's music was a beautiful homage to another childhood favorite of mine, DOOM. He made that game what it is, and made my skin tingle with goosebumps. This mistreatment is inexcusable.
@luxinvictus9018
Жыл бұрын
Any creative who has EVER worked for a manager directly knows this story all too well. One of the best things I ever did was, though making less money, joined a company run by a creative and where I work with other creatives for clients. As a freelancer, on your own, it's death out there
@harmansingh95100
3 ай бұрын
This video is gonna get a lot more recognition now that the new doom trailer for the next game is out.
@Sad_Elf
Жыл бұрын
i dont even feel like finishing my playthrough of the game now
@razorwireclouds5708
Жыл бұрын
It's an incredible game and Mick's music - despite being mostly guesswork - is crazy good. I highly recommend finishing it. However, I absolutely understand your feelings here. I want to see Marty fired and Mick compensated and given extra for damages.
@ninthkind
Жыл бұрын
Finish it, since the devs who really worked on it have nothing to do with all the blsht Mick was forced on to. Just do it to show respect to the devs who made the game what it is.
@necrosteel5013
Жыл бұрын
This was solely on marty, don't lump everyone else into it. Wtf marty, why is it soo difficult to reward someone who did such incredible work under such shit circumstances.
@Sad_Elf
Жыл бұрын
@@jessh4016 yeah i get you, i already bought it, they already took my money. with the principals thing its like the same way i feel about the witcher games, i like them a lot but the witcher itself is heavily heavily plagiarised and now i refuse to touch the franchise no matter how much i want to, since part of doom eternals style, feel and character comes from the music it feels wrong to enjoy it now given the amount of bullshittery that actually went on, immensely frustrating but that may just be me
@rickyrackey7930
Ай бұрын
@@necrosteel5013Yes, I actually find it unfair that talented folks like Hugo Martin are being dragged in when the blame should 100% be on the shoulders of Marty. It’s his fault and he is the one should take accountability for his actions.
@gregorymifsud5389
Жыл бұрын
why the hell did marty not accept the 10 tracks given to him by Mick Gordon ?? for the ost. Wtf
@callmequaz9052
Жыл бұрын
To set him up. Everything Marty did was to get free work, with a backup in case Mick fought back for the payment he rightfully deserves. By refusing the tracks at the last minute, he'd probably try to spin it as Mick missing the deadline or some shit.
@razorwireclouds5708
Жыл бұрын
Narcissism and ego - he couldn't handle the idea that Mick and his music were such a celebrated part of Doom.
@icantthinkofagoodusername4464
Жыл бұрын
From the very start it seemed like Marty was trying to set him up for failure. My guess is they didn't like an external contractor being seen as equally integral to Doom's new image as Id Software, so they did what a lot of businesses do when they want someone gone but can't fire them for one reason or another; made his life a living hell in the hopes he'd quit the project or otherwise leave in a way that was easy to dismiss as not the company's fault.
@gregorymifsud5389
Жыл бұрын
@@icantthinkofagoodusername4464 So stupid it hurts. He actually thought fans wouldnt notice that the alternative was gonna be garbage. Instead of working with the dude he made his life a living hell. I worked contractual work as a software engineer and feel lucky to have never gone through something like this. Truly.
@icantthinkofagoodusername4464
Жыл бұрын
@@gregorymifsud5389 Eh, I haven’t worked in the games industry myself (yet, hopefully) but people I know have and egotistical, incompetent management is awfully common, as are stupid company politics. What pisses me off in this and some other cases is it’s either actions fuelled by pure malice and ego or just incompetence and cowardice, and I don’t know what’s worse.
@boiledelephant
Ай бұрын
Tying Mick's name to the OST without discussing it first, without a contract in place, and provably with a plan from the outset to freeze him out of its creation, crosses the line from unprofessional to illegal, in my mind. I don't know what law that breaks, but it must break at least one. Imagine if a venue manager contracted one show from a famous band, then publicly announced a further 2 shows without telling them and with no intention of letting the band choose their lineup, review their supporting acts or design their sets. It's fraudulent.
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