26:51 Hogaak and Ox of Agonas can hit the field through Containment Priest because they are cast. Evoking Grief can trigger Bridge from Below, since it’s also cast.
@eafurze
2 жыл бұрын
Cheers for playing the deck Brian. Gonna watch this over coffee ❤️
@scottcampbell9515
2 жыл бұрын
I was so happy to see you playing Dredge that I did not notice at first that LED was missing.
@treycuret
2 жыл бұрын
Hogaak Summer was the most ridiculous Magic I have ever witnessed since I started playing in 2017. I loved watching it 🐐🐐🐐
@abon1364
2 жыл бұрын
OG memory jar decks from tempest/urza saga era standard and extended(pre-emergency ban) or pre 4-max copies rule rack-balance will always be the *most broken ever* in my books, but context is everything. This was fun too watch though.
@kuru-chan6644
2 жыл бұрын
rack balance is far from the best deck in the pre 4-max copies world tho but you're right about the jar stuff
@joehenderson1
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the content Brian. No Lion's Eye Diamond?!?!?!?! I piloted Dredge in paper for years (pre-pandemic) and Lion's Eye Diamond was always the best card in the deck. Turn one LED, followed up by Breakthrough holding priority to crack LED to Dredge 20 cards was the nuts.
@BoshNRoll
2 жыл бұрын
This is the submitter's list and he sold off his LED's. I'd play them if I went for the best list I could think of.
@treycuret
2 жыл бұрын
14:35
@michaelparise2831
2 жыл бұрын
@@BoshNRoll do you ever think there will come a day where every reserves list card gets overshadowed and or they figure out a way to do an acceptable reprint
@BoshNRoll
2 жыл бұрын
@@michaelparise2831 I hope they find a workaround. No idea what the options are, I'm not on the inside like that. Push for proxy-friendly events in the meantime!
@eafurze
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I ditched my LEDs a few years back. There’s next to no legacy community where I live so it’s mostly just a pet deck for me now, I don’t actually get to play it in real life anymore. The LEDs sure made for explosive starts though.
@Sabith01
2 жыл бұрын
As a 2010-2012 Legacy dredge player, and a Modern dredge player whenever Troll was legal this video gave me PTSD because of how often things went wrong due to the format being so hostile and some bad luck(and the person who donated not using LED's). It is such a polarizing deck, when it is bad you feel like you are playing random draft commons and when it clicks it feels unbeatable. Kinda miss the 2010-2012 era when I played t1 careful study discarding dredgers and the opponent would just look at you with a "you have to be kidding me" kinda face.
@BMBAnauta
2 жыл бұрын
I've been playing NO LED for 12 years already. Happy to see this.
@sagemodzel
2 жыл бұрын
Dredge, in every format it's been legal in, has been dominant at one point in time. The fact that dredge is essentially the same deck it was ten years ago and still can hang around is a testament to the deck's powerlevel. Hogaak is still another animal and Ox is still a nice upgrade but the core engine is still the same and the deck is still incredibly powerful when left to its own devices
@johankjrgaardsalomonsen351
2 жыл бұрын
Match 1 game 2 : you could sideboard firestorm to discard getting around the chalice.
@josehaya6362
Жыл бұрын
What to sb out?
@Alikaoz
2 жыл бұрын
Watching the decklist, I thought this needed a wispmare. First game, I thought myself vindicated... Then I read what the fake horse actually does and was sad.
@God-ch8lq
2 жыл бұрын
it destroys an enchantment, right?
@WoRMaSTeR64
2 жыл бұрын
Ingot Chewer is the one you want in that situation but it is tough to get your answers to line up correctly against all the hate.
@AdamBittner
2 жыл бұрын
As a reanimator player I'm always glad to see fewer other graveyard decks playable in the format.
@BoshNRoll
2 жыл бұрын
Happy to be of service
@Chiron423
2 жыл бұрын
RE: Therapy names Play of the Game is an absolute banger that always goes unused.
@TheBonkers45
2 жыл бұрын
No LED in the main is interesting I've gone down to 2-3 because it's so bad against endurance and force Boseiju is the way over claim because it dodges chalice and counters
@BoshNRoll
2 жыл бұрын
I think it's mentioned in the video, but the deck's provider sold his LEDs and this is just his list.
@TheBonkers45
2 жыл бұрын
@@BoshNRoll fair enough, I did the same for a bit and putrid imp goes a loooooong way. Food for ichorid and repeated discard. Where do we go to submit lists, what's the cost?
@BoshNRoll
2 жыл бұрын
@@TheBonkers45 submitting to the channel is a perk for Patreon subs or KZitem members. A league is $75. :)
@aarlavaan
2 жыл бұрын
question... how do I get access to the discord server. is that a Patreon exclusive? EDIT: nvm. found a community post that says it is for patreon members. :)
@benyoung8985
2 жыл бұрын
Dredge is my favorite deck ever! Love the video!
@RIP_Texpert
2 жыл бұрын
The way to sideboard with dredge is to board in hate pieces for their hate pieces and what you cut are minor pieces of the combo, like 1 narc, 1 looting, and 1 thug for 3 claim
@josehaya6362
Жыл бұрын
What about the firestorms,
@mikelockwood2770
2 жыл бұрын
Dredge is such a dirty deck that whenever I watch somebody play it I feel the need to delete my browsing history after
@anaphysik
2 жыл бұрын
1:10:22 "Totally Lost" IS an excellent choice, but you could've also named "Dredge" since that's the name of a card too (from Invasion).
@BoshNRoll
2 жыл бұрын
Dredge is a funny one too, good call
@TheTurophile
2 жыл бұрын
awesome video. I skipped the intro but why no LED's? [/trolling]
@andrewpalella9923
2 жыл бұрын
Comment of the day! It truly says something when dredge isn't even the dumbest thing you can do with graveyards anymore doesnt it?
@mrtoots2259
2 жыл бұрын
I could see an argument for a split of Nature's claim and Shenanigans in sideboard specifically for chalice on 1 after witnessing game 1
@stephentimothybennett
2 жыл бұрын
On today's installment of "lines that I think are interesting that ended up not mattering at all": 26:00 I kinda like holding the land and just passing game 2 turn 1 against DNT. Let's look at the possible outcomes: 1. They RIP on turn 2 (you wish you played a land, but you get to claim the RIP. You only get punished if you go on to draw the enabler immediately afterwards) 2. They wasteland you on turn 2. You are now completely mana screwed in a low-landcount deck (of course, you draw the land immediately to make me look like a fool, but I said we're talking about lines that ended up not mattering at all, so you knew this was coming). 3. They do something that you either can't interact with or doesn't matter on turn 2 (this is what happened in game). If you draw your looting effect, and then go on to also draw another land and another looting effect off of that looting, you get punished. Otherwise, not playing the land doesn't matter here. Overall, playing around wasteland seems worth it to me since this hand could so easily end up doing nothing.
@TheMCGamer2012
2 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't Foundation Breaker dodge chalice and also give you a zombie over Nature's Claim?
@akioto1116
2 жыл бұрын
2 mana is a little bit hard for dredge to get
@nickbianchini3967
2 жыл бұрын
Looking forward to this one!
@kippiauto
2 жыл бұрын
What a rapid fire of legacy leagues! 🔥🔥
@ProSandlin
2 жыл бұрын
At 54:44, Breakthrough has been bugged on modo for roughly a hundred years. It's sometimes annoying since Dredge tends to want cards in the graveyard, who know lol. I usually just tell my opponent what the deal is, what's in my hand, and then just never play it.
@BoshNRoll
2 жыл бұрын
Ah, I didn't know that. I've played it in Eruth a bunch but never in Dredge.
@Nexuxs
Жыл бұрын
the "problem" with recent dredge is that now a days, in basically most formats, graveyard interaction is pretty common among a plethora of decks, so more people main board graveyard hate, especially with flexible and powerful cards like endurance
@Dracomandriuthus
Жыл бұрын
It's also that Containment Priest is such a good all round hate piece, and Saga being in so many decks means decks have 5 pieces of gravehate preboard and possibly 6 to 8 post board, or even 10
@chadoftoons
2 жыл бұрын
Id assume breakthrough is working of a set number that is defined as the abillity starts resolving instead of (how it should be) a number to discard down to.
@chesement4131
2 жыл бұрын
ive seen people run force in the sideboard and even main board in the ledless dredge
@Platonic69
2 жыл бұрын
At 35:15 would it have been better to name Kaldra with the first Therapy, since that was a guaranteed hit, and you had multiple ready to cast, and then you can see what to name with the second one?
@bronsonmagnan9055
9 ай бұрын
match 1 first sideboard against chalice, firestorm, the discard is a cost, so it doesn't care about chalice.
@MTGFaded
2 жыл бұрын
damn i was just watching your manaless dredge video from a year ago last night
@Reversespacehippie
2 жыл бұрын
Obligatory algorithmic contribution
@prod805212
Жыл бұрын
Fantastic games
@ryanwondertroll
2 жыл бұрын
The very last play of the storm player at the end of the video is interesting, I'd rather have tried to go with blue and hit eons to try and keep going, but maybe it doesn't change much (I don't know how many ad nauseam they play)
@Foxribble19
2 жыл бұрын
Usually not more than one ad nauseam because they can hit multiple copies and make it feel clunky
@blackfang500
2 жыл бұрын
This should be a fun one
@shoogie1994
2 жыл бұрын
prismatic ending over claim seems better in the board. most of the thing you want ti hit are 1s and 2s and all your lands are 5c.
@BoshNRoll
2 жыл бұрын
Leyline of the Void costs 4 and you’re never hitting that. Otherwise that’s a sweet idea
@coryhurrle4952
2 жыл бұрын
This deck is the great equalizer.
@ProBadSing
2 жыл бұрын
You dld never shave a thug because they're already bald
@leftysheppey
Жыл бұрын
I've not seen dredge without LED before. Maybe I'm out of date 😂
@TheVeeOhla
2 жыл бұрын
Dredge was the first deck I built for Legacy over 10 years ago
@BoshNRoll
2 жыл бұрын
I played it at my first Grand Prix in 2008 :)
@TheVeeOhla
2 жыл бұрын
@@BoshNRoll it was also my first Vintage deck, back when Bazaar was like $200
@conkyjoe8932
Жыл бұрын
@@TheVeeOhla Whoaaaa holy CRAP! Reading that Bazaar was under $300 at one point is astounding to me. I started playing around 2004-2005, and I feel like I remember Bazaar always being like $500+ bucks. I'd be a certified Dredge expert right now if I could just afford Bazaar's.
@TheVeeOhla
Жыл бұрын
@@conkyjoe8932 playset was like 1k back when I picked it up
@ipnorospo38
2 жыл бұрын
Dredge is MTG 2.0
@akioto1116
2 жыл бұрын
Manaless dredge is almost playing ygo on a mtg game. You "tribute" things to bring monsters and do stuff
@Alikaoz
2 жыл бұрын
13 seconds ago! Was smashing F5
@ryanwondertroll
2 жыл бұрын
the paper version is worth less than 500$! wow wow wow
@discoooooooo
2 жыл бұрын
Yay my favorite deck.
@tommek47
2 жыл бұрын
breakthrough is still bugged on mtgo, you keep one card in your hand even though you cast it for x=0. i think this bug has been around for a while now
@williambamann1845
2 жыл бұрын
I think you conceded way to fast Match 1 Game 2. You have to play that out with a cephalid coliseum out. Am I crazy??? What am I missing?
@BoshNRoll
2 жыл бұрын
There’s a Leyline in play, Chalice on 1 locks out my only answer to the Leyline. I have to win without my graveyard. Urza’s Saga will easily race any hardcast Narcos and Thugs. What does Cephalid coliseum do to change any of that?
@argonnas2
2 жыл бұрын
I saw people run riftstone portal
@chillywings
2 жыл бұрын
The deck just ain't cuttin it anymore. The click bait vibes in the title are strong in this one
@yourn4m3h3re
2 жыл бұрын
Since you have nothing to schuffle your deck, I think you should not put Narcomoeba at the bottom of your deck because you'll never see it again while you could hardcast it.
@BoshNRoll
2 жыл бұрын
Endurance and Surgical are cards that change the bottom of your deck, plus sometimes you do go through every card. It would depend on what else is in the hand.
@yourn4m3h3re
2 жыл бұрын
@@BoshNRoll thank you for sharing your thoughts and experience :)
@LucksackGames
2 жыл бұрын
55:00 Why did you get a card? Lol
@BoshNRoll
2 жыл бұрын
Apparently it’s bugged. I didn’t know!
@LucksackGames
2 жыл бұрын
@@BoshNRoll We learned together
@WoRMaSTeR64
2 жыл бұрын
Can someone make a case why Otherworldly Gaze is better than Careful Study? Seems to me it is better to draw 2 and discard 2 from hand than 0-3 from top of library and it is definitely better to dredge up to 12 when you have have your gameplan going. Yeah I realize Gaze has flashback but as you can see a lot of the games you do not even get to 2 mana. Also LED version is just better since you want that explosive start to make some graveyard hate too slow. This build can even lose to a hate piece from Urza's Saga which LED version certainly beats with ease. I have lost games with Delver (on the draw) where I had t1 Grafdigger's Cage and it stayed in play. But that can only happen against LED version. So I think this build is terrible to be honest.
@BoshNRoll
2 жыл бұрын
Gaze has flashback. Study is better in an opening hand, Gaze is better when you’re dredging.
@shamuscrawford
2 жыл бұрын
No LED 😬
@BoshNRoll
2 жыл бұрын
The submitter sold his LED's, it's just his list. I'd play them if I went for the best possible list.
@brucepraska7781
2 жыл бұрын
I seriously don't understand why in god's green earth this list doesn't have life from the loam like I get that it doesn't really dredge alot but it makes it so the deck can recur lands they dredge otherwise dredge doesn't have a prayer of winning
@Dracomandriuthus
Жыл бұрын
I think a case for life is in the Force of Vigor version of the deck. It's one of the worst and you rarely want to cast it but as an additional green dredge it's got a case.
@brucepraska7781
Жыл бұрын
@@Dracomandriuthus really I would hardly consider that main board able much less sideboard I'm just saying that loam adds serious consistency to an otherwise VERY FRINGE deck not saying it's bad but the fact that any disruption and the deck just trips over itself like clockwork
@whiterose_
2 жыл бұрын
Bump
@Fandwicksvhs
2 жыл бұрын
No dread returns?
@BoshNRoll
2 жыл бұрын
They’re in the sideboard
@Fandwicksvhs
2 жыл бұрын
@@BoshNRoll never mind me, I meant to ask about creeping chill, I've seen it in a lot of vintage lists alongside silversmote ghoul. Haven't had my coffee yet, waking up with the bosh n roll. :)
@WordSonFoRealz
2 жыл бұрын
Im not going to say im the worlds foremost expert, but this list doesn't make any sense. Is it gaak? is it ichorid? its 2 or 3 different similar decks trying to be 1 deck. 🤷♂️
@Isaac-pg2hm
2 жыл бұрын
Its dredge. Ichorid hasn't been the name of the archetype since like futuresight. And hogaak doesn't play dredge creatures, it feels the yard with stuff like stitchers supplier
@WordSonFoRealz
2 жыл бұрын
@@Isaac-pg2hm exactly. Red package with no led. Blue package with no force. Gaak with no supplier. Its going in too many directions.
@Isaac-pg2hm
2 жыл бұрын
@@WordSonFoRealz gaak as a 1 of Is standard for dredge lists. I do think that this is missing forces in the board and islets main if it wants to not play LED. It's just a suboptimal version of the LEDless list imo
@sylviusleonard5144
2 жыл бұрын
First
@isocity-info
2 жыл бұрын
As allways great game play. But the deck is trash. Especially the side board - completely without meta modifications.
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