I want to take the time to address the same comment I get almost daily on my channel in regards to testing 9mm+P VS .45 ACP VS .40 S&W. People will ask why the 9mm and .45 ACP are +P but the .40 S&W is not. It's pretty simple, the 9mm and the .45 ACP are both over 100 years old and their original design was for guns that could not handle more pressure. Now fast forward over 100 years and modern guns can easily handle more pressure, so under SAAMI specification the .45 ACP maximum pressure of 21,000 PSI was bumped up to 23,000 PSI with +P. The 9mm under SAAMI specification max pressure of 35,000 PSI was bumped up to 38,500 PSI with +P. The .40 S&W was created around 30 years ago well into modern metallurgy times, so it's creation simply started out at what is essentially +P pressure of 35,000 PSI, but not labeled as +P as there's no need to label it as such. There IS NO .40 S&W+P under SAAMI spec, so I do not use what does not exist.
@Excalibur2
Жыл бұрын
that's a good bit of info, I was wondering that myself.
@richardlarios570
Жыл бұрын
Ok so why didn’t you use 40+p😂….
@johnbyman3605
Жыл бұрын
You could have used 40 caliber “Buffalo Bore” or “Underwood” ammo which would have simulated +P or +P+ and then it would have actually been a fare comparison/test against the +P+ 9 millimeter and +P 45 caliber rounds.
@jamesw713
Жыл бұрын
40+P does exist, it is called 10mm and has a SAAMI of 37,500 psi. The 40 S&W is the weakened child of the real caliber.
@johnbyman3605
Жыл бұрын
@@jamesw713 James, no one is arguing that the 10mm is stronger than the 40 cal everyone knows that, but that’s not applicable to this particular test video because he’s comparing the 9mm 40 cal and 45 cal but his conclusions aren’t accurate because he uses “Plus P” or “Plus P Plus” ammo for the 9 & 45 but strategically chose to only use standard ammo for the 40 cal when enhanced ammo is readily available for the 40 caliber. I like all three calibers he compared and I have handguns in all three calibers but my point is, if your going to do a comparison video, than do it equally so that your end results are accurate for the viewers.
@mt-nv4jd
2 жыл бұрын
Sir, you are much more experienced than I, yet you demonstrated why I do NOT have safeties on my carry weapons.
@brianmoore1164
2 жыл бұрын
A great test! Thank you. I have been a big advocate of 185 grain jhp in the 45 for a long time. Hollow point bullets need velocity to expand and that often means heavier isn't better.
@GunSam
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks. I have often wondered if it's velocity, or energy per weight. It's a small bullet lengthwise and a lot of energy on it.
@Gieszkanne
2 жыл бұрын
Thats the logik normaly but it is has more to do with bullet design and how hard the alloying is. Sometimes lighter bullets with high velocity dont expand well but slower heavier bullets do.
@nathanlambshead4778
2 жыл бұрын
@@Gieszkanne Indeed sir. Bullet material and construction means a lot more than most people consider. Maybe because it is just not part of the equations on the box, nor is the info readily available.
@BigBear--
7 ай бұрын
It's all about bullet design. Some bullets do well at higher velocities, others start to experience all types of failures, like over expansion, no expansion (might clog hard not allowing the expansion), jacket separation, accuracy issues, and under penetration. So it all depends on the bullet. Higher velocity is not always better. It seems counter intuitive, but it is what it is.
@brianmoore1164
7 ай бұрын
@BigBear-- More accurate to say that the vast majority do better at higher velocities. The 45 acp is a very low velocity cartridge and over driving it is near impossible. On the other hand, inadequate velocity to expand happens for many many 45 acp rounds.
@thomaseynon6205
2 жыл бұрын
Best test I've found. You used the same Ammo brand, all JHP ammo, and a clear comparison of each caliber. Thank you for taking the time to put this up!
@mikeogden5256
2 жыл бұрын
I’ve owned and loved 45… I switched to 40 because of higher capacity and similar ballistics… I was forced to switch to 9mm because of injuries…. 9mm is the easiest thing to use that still works ok 👍
@SoWavvyy
2 жыл бұрын
I agree, absolutely!
@ethanmac639
Жыл бұрын
i love .40 s&w, it is my favorite and ideal cartridge caliber, but 180gr was always too heavy for the .40 s&w, great for the 10mm auto, between 135gr minimum and 165gr maximum parameters is best, with 180gr bullet weight being ideal
@scoutdynamics3272
Жыл бұрын
"Velocity and expansion are variables! Mass and cross section are constants!" The late Colonel Jeff Cooper
@ethanmac639
2 жыл бұрын
.40 s&w is the ideal cartridge caliber, but 180gr was always too heavy for the .40 s&w, great for the 10mm auto though, between 135gr minimum and 165gr maximum parameters is best, with 155gr/150gr being the ideal bullet weight for the .40 s&w!
@geraldlocklear4373
Жыл бұрын
Still the best choice in my opinion too.
@504Trey
Жыл бұрын
45 the best
@ethanmac639
Жыл бұрын
@@504Trey agree to disagree
@rtaggs8178
Жыл бұрын
@@504Trey Try shooting auto glass from varying distances, 45 just does not cut it like other calibers. Its great for soft targets though.
@504Trey
Жыл бұрын
@@rtaggs8178 Why would I be shooting through auto glass?? 🤔💀
@vlogfriendsutopia
2 жыл бұрын
PWC FOR ALL MEASURED IN VOLUME: 9mm - 4.75 cubic inches. 40 S&W - 8.64 cubic inches. 45 ACP - 6.53 cubic inches. It seems in this test, 40 S&W was far and away the best. Typically we see largest expansion with 45, so this particular 40 S&W load is very good.
@xxNotHomeYet
2 жыл бұрын
I love all of your videos, I like how fair and thorough they are as well as how many different things you test, from large bear defense guns to lighter recoil calibers for self defense. I think this really goes to show that with all handgun rounds there is no guaranteed fight stopper, all of these will do the job if placed correctly and none of them are a magic bullet that sends the bad guy flying like in the movies.
@Levi_shep
2 жыл бұрын
Your videos helped me choose my carry ammunition for my HK45. Thanks for the detailed ammunition reviews.
@MojoMan49
Жыл бұрын
I’m considering a handgun of home defense and EDC. This video clearly shows the .40 and .45 rounds really tearing up the gel, but it seems that the 9mm holds it own. Your ability to stay on target with the 9mm gives me confidence that the 9mm has plenty of lethality to stop an intruder or attacker. Thanks again.
@GunSam
Жыл бұрын
I used to think the 9mm was great, but real world information really shows it differently. I have seen a lot of evidence in videos of 9mm not working at all and .40 working very well. I haven't seen any .45 videos where I can confirm a .45 was used.
@MojoMan49
Жыл бұрын
@@GunSam Thanks for your insight. I’m still open to the .40 S&W, Does the issue w/ 9mm failing have to do with quality or just the fact that most have “luger” action?
@mikestackz854
Жыл бұрын
@@GunSam where can I look for the real world data
@Grunt49
Жыл бұрын
Bullet placement is what counts.IMHO
@tristantimothy1004
Жыл бұрын
@@Grunt49 , Great in theory but in real world high stress situations accurate placement is a lot harder.
@grantorino2009
Жыл бұрын
Here’s more empirical data that folks may have retired their .40s way too soon. Such a superb street proven round. I choose my Glock .40 over my Glock .45 for HD. Thanks for the great video.
@cliffknoebel8528
2 жыл бұрын
Love how everything is on the same playing field in this test
@ratagris21
2 жыл бұрын
Sam is very considerate unlike other channels which compare "same, " yet the rounds are different in bullet type, grain, and use a suppressor.
@lewistwist
2 жыл бұрын
+p+ on the 9m ???
@cliffknoebel8528
2 жыл бұрын
@@lewistwist 185 +p about as close as you get to +p+ unless going to 45 super,would require same installing stronger recoil spring and beefing up his mag spring. Most manufacturers won't push 45acp to its potential because of all the unsupported chambers,mainly in 1911s. I could give Sam some super recipes that destroy 10mm though 🤣
@Jason608
2 жыл бұрын
@@ratagris21 Same with perception of recoil. People will put their .45 in a heavy 1911 and feel a lighter "push" recoil, then shoot .40 out of a compact polymer Glock and feel a "snappier" recoil and claim that .40 must magically be a worse recoiling round. The reality is that if you read any reloading manual with recipes, you'll see substantial crossover between 9mm, .40, and .45 in terms of bullet weight and powder charge. The rounds are more similar than they are different.
@ratagris21
2 жыл бұрын
@@Jason608 true, but some people just hype up stuff for an ego trip.
@GunSam
2 жыл бұрын
Second video in this series: kzitem.info/news/bejne/uZqu1p2irHl3fqA
@ChrisHirner
2 жыл бұрын
Man those M&P pistols are making my jealous. I got the compact 2.0 but those 5 inch models gotta be great shooters.
@robertmosher7418
2 жыл бұрын
Amazing video! Those Noslers dump a whole bunch of energy really fast with all that push behind them. Good shooting there Tex. But par for the course with you, sir. I think the biggest issue as far as choosing 9 vs 40 vs 45 is you can factor out capacity in California. Which sucks.
@DanTheWolfman
2 жыл бұрын
P.S. been said Seal Team 6 had 185 plus p jhp in their Mark24 HK45c as I discussed in my 2 hk45c vids...guessing Golden Saber but who knows. Would love to see what a 185 plus p hst would look like.
@scubaguy007
2 жыл бұрын
That was entertaining. That’s for the efforts.
@GunSam
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@johnelder4273
2 жыл бұрын
I will stick with my .40 Speer Lawman, 165 grain, JHP. It is easier to control and penetrates better/deeper. If it doesn't expand as much it still puts a pretty good sized hole, about .50 plus every time. The .40 you tested expanded to .977 or about that, but penetration in bare gel was kinda weak. IMHO. Love you videos, but not so much these three boutique ammos. Thanks for the great review and info!
@rob.3575
2 жыл бұрын
Isn't Speer Lawman FMJ??
@johnelder4273
2 жыл бұрын
@@rob.3575 Yeah, you're right. The Lawman are the practice rounds and the Gold Dot are the duty rounds, I misspoke. I have both in the safe and I must be getting old/senile. LOL!
@filianablanxart8305
2 жыл бұрын
Traditionally , the Lawman sub branding simply meant " normal first quality " brass cased . Before Gold Dots , their conventional bulleted LE ammo was marked as Lawman .
@filianablanxart8305
2 жыл бұрын
The penetration was exactly as designed/ intended . It's a Feature , not a Fault . Massive expansion with 12-14 in penetration vs moderate expansion with deep penetration is an eternal debate of Tastes Great vs Less Filling porportions , with near religious conviction on both sides . If you prefer the later , the 165 Gold Dot doesn't suck .
@johnelder4273
2 жыл бұрын
@@filianablanxart8305 My stash isn't that old. I retired in 2014. When I retired I bought Glock 22 and a Glock 27 because that is what I carried and I feel well armed with when the need arises. My daily carry though is my 640-1 that was my original backup gun loaded with the old Federal 147 grain, jacketed hydrashock, .38 special +p+. Its not as loud as the .357 loads and easier for follow up shots.
@landofparadise2295
2 жыл бұрын
The .40 cal.is more expansion than 45 acp and 9mm so the .40 cal.is the best
@ratagris21
2 жыл бұрын
Next Sam! The fairest test between .45acp+, .88 magnum +P+, and a 40W laser plasma. Great videos and testing. Well done Sir!🎩☯️♠️
@rossgreenzweig
2 жыл бұрын
A 🔨 of a test Sam!! Lol awesome demonstration and test 👍🏻👍🏻
@GunSam
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks.
@crusiethmaximuss
2 жыл бұрын
Impressive ammunition to say the least and highly consistent. Underwood makes really good stuff. I always see Scott from Kentucky Ballistics using it, or Federal
@Matteo_
2 жыл бұрын
Kudos for matching sectional densities between the 9, 40, & 45 to .130. I think when you match sectional density you get a more fair comparison between dissimilar bullet diameters/calibers vs the common tendency to match bullet weights. Although I'm puzzled why you are measuring to the backside of the bullet on a couple of the shots versus to the leading edge? That aside was a good video, I enjoyed it. Much appreciated. BTW I doubt limp wristing was an issue with the 40. I've never noticed a 40 to be affected by that with the higher slide thrust they generate.
@cspackler33
6 ай бұрын
I appreciate that you don't edit out the malfunctions. Shows us that we should shoot plenty of defense rounds through our carry pistols before counting on them. In light of this, I will be taking a few boxes of GD and HST with me to shoot next time I go camping.
@joes.7536
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you sir. I just bought some underwood 40sw 150g nosler to load in one of my carry pistols(4” barrel). I feel very confident now it packs a punch.
@adonikam1
2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video. Can't wait for the video your going to put out next.
@vf12497439
Жыл бұрын
We have all 3 calibers in our home but the 40 sets on my bedside table. Any of these will work fine for self defense but after witnessing first had the damage the 40 does hitting targets, trees, the ground or whatever I feel the 40 has a lot more destructive effect. So it’s my go to piece.
@anangryranger
2 жыл бұрын
Loved the test!👍👍 Not a fan of the Glock, (and a 1911A1 is THE .45ACP weapon), but all the same, the 45 hit like a sledgehammer!🔨🔨 Reckon thats why one of my favorite sayings is "There's not an issue that I can't resolve with good left hook, or a slug from a 45."
@tiltedflip4491
2 жыл бұрын
Nice! I appreciate the test and video. LFC tests are always interesting to me. Those head shots were fun. Good commentary on less than ideal, real world rapid fire (but it happens).
@rob.3575
2 жыл бұрын
Perfect performance all across the board. Take your pick in caliber because they all work great.
@timblxck9725
2 жыл бұрын
Heck yeah, this is gonna be a good one!
@petermccuskey1832
Жыл бұрын
A really nice presentation. I was impressed with you did the comparison camera screen shots.
@3.eyes.open.
3 ай бұрын
Those are definitely the hottest 9mm loads I've ever seen
@erichandyauto
2 жыл бұрын
When seconds count between life and death. Thanks for sharing why it's best to stay away from anything with a safety.
@bobcatforever3485
2 жыл бұрын
Good video. I agree with Cliff. Take care.
@GunSam
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@timrobinson6573
2 жыл бұрын
I've been looking at the Underwood 9mm 147 +P Nosler sporting hollow points but I don't know anything about Nosler projectiles so I haven't bought the ammo.
@ratagris21
2 жыл бұрын
You get your money's worth for Nosler Rounds. GB Goods uses the Noslers for accuracy comparison when available because of the consistency in the Quality of the rounds.
@The_Chosen_Juan
2 жыл бұрын
Dude, I've heard other youtubers saying that the 45 super is very similar to a 10mm, do you think that's true?
@GunSam
2 жыл бұрын
From what I have seen yes. I think a hot 10mm might be more powerful, but not by a lot. Like 720 ft lbs or so for a hot .45 Super and 750 or so for a hot 10mm.
@rob6850
2 жыл бұрын
Exemplary MAC video showing how to make an interesting topic completely boring and unwatchable.
@Gieszkanne
2 жыл бұрын
@@GunSam Do you need another barrel for your glock to shoot 45 super?
@billb410
2 жыл бұрын
Back before Underwood got really big I contacted Kevin Underwood several times. Real nice guy BTW. I doubt you can call him on the phone these days. At that time Kevin used actual firearms while developing all his loads. I was told he used the most common firearm commonly used for the caliber under development unless he was developing a load for a specific platform. I can't say he still does the same these days but my guess is he does. So if you keep in mind what the most common firearms for each given caliber is you should have a good idea of barrel length used to get the FPS stated on the box. Most ammo manufactures use test barrels and you cant extrapolate anything from their rated FPS on the box. In my limited testing Underwood ammo has always hit or exceeded the rated FPS stated on the box when using a standard sized firearm for the caliber. AKA Glock 19 (4 inch barrel) for 9mm and a full sized 1911 (5 inch barrel) for 45 ACP. No .40 here. It's strange the 45 ACP you tested did not make close to its rated FPS in your 5.3 in Glock 41. My Underwood ammo is from back in the day and either uses Speer Gold Dots or Hornady XTP's BTW. Maybe they had to back the 45 ACP down and did not change the rated FPS? Oh well I cant wait to see the testing with standard for caliber bullet weights.
@manosteel5338
2 жыл бұрын
What i inferred was to use the lightest recoil and controllable round which was the 9mm . It performed about the same on the gelatin as the .45 and . 40. Perhaps the .40 is a good all purpose round when all things are considered. Perhaps the best data would be from hospital emergency rooms and surgeries documenting actual human wounds vs caliber?
@manosteel5338
2 жыл бұрын
PS. I carry .380, 9mm, and .40
@northernninety7
2 жыл бұрын
I have the 115 gr +p at 1300 fps. That’s a hot little pill.
@TooManyChoices1
2 жыл бұрын
It’s hot but if I want spicy I’ll switch to .357 sig. 1300+ fps from a 3” barrel 😵💫! Lmao
@blueduster74
9 ай бұрын
Someone needs to do these tests with objects passed through first. Car doors, dry wall and various home and windshield glass.
@DougCutler-tn2ey
8 ай бұрын
40 was developed as a penetrator after the infamous Miami shootout. It usually does well in punching through a windshield or the like. Maybe the +p+ rounds in other calibers could keep up now.
@thetexasrat
4 ай бұрын
What they made a 45 ACP? I (still) be rocking the 45 Colt! The “Taylor Knock Out Index”: Velocity (in fps) x Weight (in grains) x Diameter (in inches) = _ divided by 7,000 [to convert into foot pounds of energy]. 9mm: [1901 AD] (Original) Standard P - 1180 x 115 x .355 = 48,173.5 divided by 7,000 = 6.88 ft pd Underwood Ammo 9mm: Standard P - 1300 x 115 x .355 = 53,072.5 divided by 7000 = 7.58 ft pd +P - 1100 x 147 x .355 = 57,403.5 divided by 7000 = 8.2 ft pd +P+ - 1550 x 90 x .355 = 49,522.5 divided by 7000 = 7.07 ft pd - (?) Notice how big and slow is better than little and faster every time? Well now, it ain’t just what she said anymore! And on that note - 45 ACP: [1904 AD] Standard P - 835 x 230 x .451 = 86,614.55 divided by 7,000 = 12.37 ft pd Underwood Ammo 45 ACP: +P - 925 x 255 x .452 = 106,615.5 divided by 7000 = 15.23 ft pd Fools Figure, but Figures don't Fool! Which now leads us to the Facts - 45 Colt: [1872 AD] (Original) Standard P - 1000 x 235 x .456 = 107,160 divided by 7,000 = 15.3 ft pd Original Underwood Ammo 45 Colt: Standard P - 1000 x 250 x .452 = 113,000 divided by 7,000 = 16.14 ft pd - Xtreme Penetrator +P - 1400 x 250 x .452 = 158,200 divided by 7,000 = 22.6ft pd - Xtreme Penetrator +P This is the results of big getting faster. So, "faster can be goods so long as size is not compromised!" And I quoted her on that. [Liberty Ammunition 45 Colt: Standard P - 1800 x 78 x .452 = 63,460.8 divided by 7,000 = 9.0658 ft pd - Civil Defense Showing little going fast is just that, and nothing more!] +P - 1325 x 325 x .452 = 194,642.5 divided by 7,000 = 27.8 ft pd - Long Flat Nose Gas Check Hi-Tek Coated Hard Cast +P This is the results of big getting bigger! As so did her eyes!
@richardthomas6602
2 жыл бұрын
The most fare would be comparing the top performing or top rated round of each caliber against each other.
@TooManyChoices1
2 жыл бұрын
You should have more subs!! I’ll definitely point all the .40 haters to this video lmao 🤣 !! Great shooting. Your nickname should be the human bench-rest 😅!
@rodneyspence7441
Жыл бұрын
Thanks, You tested that underwood 45 ACP +P 185 grain before and it performed slightly better than rated velocity of 1200 fps and this batch is quite a bit lower so that's kind of puzzling - I think you were using the same pistol...even so it's still a good round!
@hartsickdisciple
Жыл бұрын
There's no question that a properly-loaded .40 S&W is the most effective of the 3 calibers tested here. Even a typical self-defense/law-enforcement round like the 165 grain Gold Dot packs almost 500 lb/ft of energy and expands extremely well. The real hot rod .40 loadings like the Underwood & Buffalo Bore 155 grain hollow points deliver close to 600 lb/ft. That's magnum-class performance. This is not to say that 9mm and .45 aren't good calibers, although I question the relevance of .45 in the modern world. IMO .40 S&W made it obsolete due to having equal or better ballistics with higher capacity. I was considering buying a double-stack 10mm pistol until I looked at the performance of the really hot .40 loads. If a .40 won't take care of it, you probably need a .44 magnum or a rifle.
@harrypeterson9287
Жыл бұрын
Energy isn't really the end all be all, momentum is just as important to consider. What's most important is how reliably does your bullet expand, how big does it expand and does it go deep enough. The .40 has offerings that fall into an impressive Goldilocks zone, I'd say a hot 180gr Gold Dot really does almost make the .45acp seem irrelevant but a 230gr +P HST or Golden Saber is still going to destroy more tissue at the end of the day.
@craigmiller8902
Жыл бұрын
Excellent video! Very well presented. Also, you are one helluva good shot! I was impressed with the force of the .45 ace rounds. Fine penetration with perfect expansion. All the rounds did well, but I would say the .45 would have the best stopping power. Love your videos.
@oldtanker4860
2 жыл бұрын
I like the comparison you did. So much similarity between the 3 calibers. Great expansion on all three in full sized guns. Do they work the same in a micro sized gun or is the velocity loss too great to over come like some revolver ammo. IMO it is shot placement that is the key item as long as there is a decent amount of penetration. No handgun is a really good terminal tool for people compared to a rifle and shotgun. But even with those you have to get a GOOD hit. Yeah a wound in the extremity "can" be fatal ( ie femoral artery) but a center punch or cranial hit with at least 8" penetration will do damage to critical organs.
@filianablanxart8305
2 жыл бұрын
The classic rule of thumb is that +P from a shorty semiauto will be ( at least) equivalent to std vel of same bullet weight from a full size pistol .
@bigviper64
2 жыл бұрын
You did a fantastic job with your test! My S&W .40 doesn’t have an external Safety.
@YellowHammer26
2 жыл бұрын
👍👍Great test!!
@GunSam
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@christopherjordan6237
Ай бұрын
Safety on, dead, malfunction, dead, safety went on, dead. All I heard was Glock Glock Glock perfection.
@SoccerVJ2011
2 жыл бұрын
Winchester Ranger-T 45 ACP expands to 25mm
@Z06C5
2 жыл бұрын
Underwood is good ammo. But it shoots low. Stick with my 155 gr gold dot in 40
@juhanivalimaki5418
22 күн бұрын
Look at the recoil management. From the side view. .45ACP swings up to double angle compared to 9mm. 0.40 almost the same as .45ACP, but visible small difference exists. Huge difference in sending the next shot.
@GunSam
22 күн бұрын
It's only a split second more for a heavier recoiling round to come back down on target. It's debatable if maybe 4 shots of 9mm VS 3 shots of .40 S&W or .45 ACP in the same time frame would have one being better than the other. Many people think the first shot or second is what saves your life, assuming that shot or two will stop the attack. But what if it does not? To me having the first impact being more powerful gives you better odds.
@juhanivalimaki5418
22 күн бұрын
@@GunSam I only notice the difference is huge, and the real effect should be measured with a timer. Few typical scenarios defined and then tested. Double or even triple taps for sure. Penetration then needs to be compared with scenarios too. E.g. perp in car, perp with bulletproof vest, enemy with plate carrier. And then from each caliber the best performer (logistics and price taken into account) would be used. Well, military has to select one single cartrigde as pistol/pcc are only secondary weapons or for police. Thus hard to replace 9x19 anyways. I'd hope NATO would increment the pressures of 9x19 a bit. But it performs okay already. We would need to hear from Ukrainian trenches how it has performed against the Russian invaders/occupiers. In the rare cases they had to resort to pistol.
@thomasbednar7475
Жыл бұрын
The expansion with the 150gr .40 was amazing! All of the safety related failures to fire in minute 13 demonstrate perfectly why a defensive firearm should not have a manual safety.
@KamichamaTechstarify
9 ай бұрын
That was most likely soft target. Would have been nice to test out if someone is holding something like a trashcan lid or whearing something underneath to protect themselves, which got solid tough surfaces. I'd guess because of the velocity and the smaller size the 9MM will perform best for that.
@jeremymcintyre7812
2 жыл бұрын
Good video, I like the 9 vs 40 vs 45 vids
@donaldballman2825
2 жыл бұрын
I see the difference in the chronograph as far as the speed of the rounds but my question is which has the most force of impact and the best one shot stopping power
@GunSam
2 жыл бұрын
.45 has more momentum even if less powerful than the .40. That just means it will drive deeper in a body and probably do more damage.
@filianablanxart8305
2 жыл бұрын
As Sam answered , if you mean Momentum calculated on paper , the .45acp . If " one shot stop " you're alluding to the statistics kept by several researchers of real world street results , similar loads of conventional bullets of those weights driven to almost those velocities were excellent performers . Close enough to have significant difference between them . Choose on the basis of which pistol platform you prefer . *************** Not too long ago ( just before the wholesale LE step back to 9mm ) , I had an interesting discussion with a friend of mine . Then the head gun guru for a medium-sized PD , he was invited to a LE seminar/ sales pitch by W-W LE sales team . Part of the format was the opportunity for the attendees to put their current duty ammo thru full FBI testing protocols , with intent of showing the superiority of the latest W-W offerings . The legacy .40S&W was old school Border Patrol spec hot 155gr conventional JHP . It performed more or less identically to the latest state of the art W-W offering in every catagory except for penetrating car windshields.
@Me2Lancer
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comparison, Sam. For the most part your penetration seemed to be in a great zone.
@GunSam
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@rustyyates421
Жыл бұрын
The most fair and accurate comparison would be the common rounds people carry in all 3 pistol calibers. That isn't the case in this video. Not that it isn't a good comparison, but the vast majority of people who carry these rounds carry the 230 grain in 45 acp , 180 gr in 40. And 124 gr. In 9 mm. I can't find your video comparison with those rounds. I would be interested in that video
@rustyyates421
Жыл бұрын
@user-vd6py2cj1h it stuns me that you think that those weights are too heavy. You are wrong. Carrying the 230 grain 45. 180 gr.40, 147 gr 9mm may not be necessary, but those weights are not to heavy. There are those of us who carry some of these heavier rounds because they are more effective against dangerous game . We carry for personal protection against bad guys and dangerous animals.
@davidjernigan8161
2 жыл бұрын
Awesome test. Maybe throw some 10mm Underwood in if you can get it.
@josearellano5778
Жыл бұрын
Awesome video boss man‼️👍👍👍👍🎯🎯🎯💯💯
@mgsharnhorst
2 жыл бұрын
Why the +p+ for the 9mm ?
@gregfontenot-y6h
Жыл бұрын
the only way 9mm can come close to 40sw or 45acp
@boedude8496
2 жыл бұрын
great video. the hotter and lighter weights do seem more explosive. not sure why underwood is so often under velocity. this does support my conspiracy theory that ammo manufacturers prop up the 9 to keep it in the game. both the 40 and 45 should have been considerably higher. but thats why we load our own
@GunSam
2 жыл бұрын
I mentioned this in another video I filmed and haven't released. Ammo companies are putting everything into 9mm to sell it to police, concealed carriers etc. Then they don't put any effort into other cartridges, then I get noobs everyday being like "9mm is better ballistics than .357 Mag" because of it.
@boedude8496
2 жыл бұрын
@@GunSam at this point i have to believe that you've heard just about everything
@danoneill2846
2 жыл бұрын
9mm needs more help to start with . 9mm is a Great round . There are many small , old , part time & new shooters that are well armed with 9mm . If you like the heavy metal , 9mm is a good back up .
@boedude8496
2 жыл бұрын
@@danoneill2846 shouldn't it be about producing the best cartridge or specific load for each? i think its great that the 9 has been improved so much. but why the agenda of favoritism? its to protect the ginormous investment in the 9. its their business so i spose all's fair. but it does make for a whole lot of ignorance and false information
@danoneill2846
2 жыл бұрын
@@boedude8496 I got my Dillon 550B in 1987 , so ya I roll my own . I don't know all the store bought choices . This is a bad time to buy ammo , so that is part of it . My first choice for a 357 is 125 gr Sierra JHP , I don't know who loads them in store bought ammo ? Sierra also makes good 40 & 45 bullets , XTP is my 2nt choice or TAP low cost target bullets . I would pick my powder for the barrel length . A Sierra will expand at lesser Vel , so high Vel is not really needed. I don't cast , in the past you could find good cast SWC_HP for revolvers or FULL Wad cutters , not as easy to find now . I have found good 45 & 10mm factory ammo , low tech , low cost still works well . I don't use much +p ... & I never shot any +P+ , I did buy some . Depends on what I want it for ??
@grumpyoldvet2304
Жыл бұрын
I lost interest when the +p+ and +p was added into the mix. Was hoping it was just standard self defense ammo. Edit. Just read the OPs statement as to why. I get it now. Good video.
@SoWavvyy
2 жыл бұрын
I still like to carry 16 rounds in a compact Glock 9mm. You never know what kind of situation you're going to be in. All calibers performed pretty similar. Great test.
@redbeardnj
2 жыл бұрын
Thats good if your state law allows it. Perfectly understandable. But im curious, what would you choose in a state with a 10round restriction? Im just curious because im in NJ, and just about everyone chooses .45 or .357. But that's because of the 10round restriction. Being a 9mm guy yourself, would you change?
@redbeardnj
2 жыл бұрын
@@SoWavvyy im aware of that, I was just curious if you had to choose.
@SoWavvyy
2 жыл бұрын
@@redbeardnj Oh i misunderstood sorry. i am comfortable with a 9mm but 10 shots? either a 9mm or 40 s&w both are great rounds. i definitely dont feel underpowered with a 9mm. Same grain weight as a 357 going pretty fast.
@redbeardnj
2 жыл бұрын
@@SoWavvyy ahh I see. Very interesting. You obviously are very familiar with 9mm, so I take your opinion very serious. I was thinking of getting a 9mm, but it would have to be 10rounds or less. (Because of my states laws). So I was very interested in hearing someones opinion, other than people I know here(because they are very biased against 9mm). I Wanted to ask someone like you who is familiar with 9mm but doesn't sound biased to me. So I can base my purchase of 9mm from an outsiders opinion (like yourself,, someone not from NJ) I appreciate your honest answer. Thanks brother
@SoWavvyy
2 жыл бұрын
@@redbeardnj coming back after 4 months. I carry a Glock 27 .40..... I've done testes with HST hollow points. 9mm/,40 are both really quite similar in that platform. you have underwood, Gold dot, HST, even buffalo bore. 9mm and .40 are very similar. 9mm you have more rounds and less recoil. minimally less recoil. 45 10 rounds 0.8 of an inch of HST hollow points. That's massive. 9mm and .40 are no different except the FMJ. we're in 2022 not 1980's. What ever you shoot best with is what you should carry!
@biggunshandguns3687
2 жыл бұрын
I always love it when you do 45 test. I think the glock barrels are not the best for squeezing all the velocity out of a round that is possible imho. I would be interesting to see if you shot the m&p 45 any different than the glock since you've been shooting m@p in the 9 and 40 more. Just a thought not telling to go buy a m&p 45 acp. Another cool test thanks for your work. And as always you make learning fun
@chrism2042
2 жыл бұрын
I had a Gen 3 Glock 45 for years, purchased a M&P full size 45 about 9 years ago, sold the Glock after shooting the M&P. M&P 45 is a better shooting pistol. I carry a 9mm every day, but the M&P 45 still remains the bedside go-to
@eddiearchuleta615
2 жыл бұрын
Glocks get more velocity at same barrel length due to polygonal rifling
@danoneill2846
2 жыл бұрын
@@eddiearchuleta615 His 45 has good Vel .. Yep !
@kauaichefservice995
7 ай бұрын
Case in point why Glock’s don’t have a safety switch. The 40 sure didn’t make me want to run out and buy an S&W either…you would think they could have worked out the kinks by now….
@ragnarmjolnir9654
2 жыл бұрын
Ya do a good show, dude 😂🤣👍
@GunSam
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks.
@ethanmac639
2 жыл бұрын
.40 s&w all day!!!
@gjhhk8811
2 жыл бұрын
Do a test nxt bro, on which one have the straightest penetration, flat nose or round nose🔥🔥✌️
@gentrydebbie1040
2 жыл бұрын
This qustion has been going on a centry , Same with Compound Bows ,Question would you rather have a cender block from 100 yds dropped on your head , or a Brick from 200 yds ? No shot is the same ? I have Containers of Bullets from all calibers all removed from Ferral Hogs and sometimes bigger is better and sometimes smaller does better ? No absolute just Openions .
@MrSymbolic7
Жыл бұрын
I would have used the .357 Sig in place of the 45 ACP +P , I have a 40 S&W H&K/ USP , but I keep a .357 Sig barrel in it with Underwood XP rounds in the mag , it just can't be beat in my opinion .
@HKGunPlay
Жыл бұрын
I have the usp compact and have had it for over twenty years. It’s still one of my favorite guns. I didn’t know you could swap the barrel though. Where did you get the 357 barrel
@RichiesHouse
Ай бұрын
Funny how 9mm +p+ and 45 +p going against standard 40 . 40 is a powerful round .
@garyomalley4521
2 жыл бұрын
Nope! Not fair! You’ve GOT to use the weight of optimum bullet weight for each. 124grn 9mm, .45ACP 230grn, you got 40SW right. 😀👍 Great video! Oops.. All full size to start with 4.5 - 5” barrels. Keep uniformity through per size with all barrels within .25”. 🤪 Then you’re rockin’. Pre plan.
@deadlyalliance8281
2 жыл бұрын
Given that the 45 super Nosler rounds don't penetrate but 8.5 inches in average, wonder how that would affect hitting someone center mass, compared to a the 45acp +p Nosler that penetrates 14 inches
@justinmartinez680
2 жыл бұрын
I prefer the 40s&w
@daleweller5193
Жыл бұрын
It used to be + p + was only available to police departments. It is very hard on guns.
@leoguy1609
Жыл бұрын
Unfortunately S&W says don't shoot +P+ ammunition in their firearms. Glock however says it's okay but limit the amount, go figure.
@stu8506
6 ай бұрын
Is there no such thing as a .40 +p?
@Fudmottin
2 жыл бұрын
Same energy (roughly), same sectional density, and you got the same penetration, roughly. Interesting. It makes me wonder if there is a way to model that. For example, what if you take the sectional density as grains divided by diameter in inches, and then multiply that by the calculated energy in ft-lbs. I'm wondering if you will get a number that correlates strongly with the penetration into the bare gel.
@GunSam
2 жыл бұрын
Probably, but also the thing you taught me is at play, as I can think of no reason for the .45 to go deeper other than more momentum, which would have to be more even with the same sectional density. But in general I see a lot of the same penetration, if a 124 9mm expands to about .55 with normal ammo", we get around 16" penetration or so, around 450-500 FPE more like 18" penetration if we stay at .55". But then again some HP's expanded are more "talon-ey" and make tumbling from one side being more expanded than the other side, so you never know.
@Fudmottin
2 жыл бұрын
@@GunSam Momentum is tied to sectional density. For a given caliber of bullet, more mass gives more sectional density. Energy is work and is measured in ft-lbs in the American gun world. If you lift 80 lbs of salt one foot, you did 80 ft-lbs, the hot end of 22LR out of pistols. Mind you, things get rather complicated as energy can be spent only once. Deforming a bullet costs energy. Pushing aside gel costs energy. There is also the rate energy is being spent, power. Things get complicated fast, and we haven't even begun to explore fluid dynamics yet!
@JoseNunya
Жыл бұрын
Does a .45 make person any more deader than a well placed 9mm ??
@GunSam
Жыл бұрын
Yes. Because well placed 9mm's and well placed .45's are equal level of skill to do really. A .45 is a 27% larger projectile, so you have more chance to clip something vital. Now if one wanted to get mall ninja technical, sure an exact perfect center heart shot with a 9mm is just as deadly as a .45, however I tend to work in the real world and statistical difference in bullet size matter a lot more than theoretical nonsense.
@harrypeterson9287
Жыл бұрын
A .45 can punch a wider hole just as deep or a deeper hole just as wide compared to 9mm. An HST will expand to a full inch in .45 but closer to .6 in 9mm, both penetrate virtually identically. That's a 40% difference. I mean, would you rather have a $600 paycheck or a $1,000 paycheck? 🤔 In any case, you don't generally get a well placed shot in an actual situation. Police fire 7 shots for every round that connects and 3 out of 4 people shot by police survive. I'm not saying police are the gold standard for marksmanship but the average Joe probably won't do any better.
@vistar5370
Жыл бұрын
why are the 40 + p not
@emmanueldejesusperez7007
Жыл бұрын
Gotta love the .40sw even tho in later years people seem to turn their noses up to it and favor the 9mm, i stick with my .40s
@paulscountry456
2 жыл бұрын
That nine is a force,those are soft lead , that 40 looked great .I have those in 115 gr 357 sig,close to 1600.Another good show,I really like 40,you should do some 357 Sig,there is a big interest in it still.
@GunSam
2 жыл бұрын
I been waiting on getting a barrel for the .40 in 357. Will be ordering probably in a couple weeks. Probably be May before the tests are filmed and released
@paulscountry456
2 жыл бұрын
@@GunSam What gun? I f you have a glock I would recommend the stainless double diamond barrel,it is not expensive and I can get sub two inch rested groups at 25 yds with my modified 31.point of impact will likely shift low and left ,on my sigs you have to swap the front sight.
@MrBirdman123
2 жыл бұрын
How do you figure they are the same sectional density?
@BlueberryStinkFinger62
Жыл бұрын
My 9mms are loaded with Buffalo bore 147gr +p hard cast and seismic 185gr Rounds..who uses 124gr anyway practice Rounds all they are..
@GunSam
Жыл бұрын
124 gr is the most common weight for defensive 9mm. It's where it's performance has the best balance.
@nycinkmaster
Жыл бұрын
Honestly I will stick to 9mm it’s more ideal for point and shoot and the stopping power is relatively the same with 40and 45 caliber.
@GunSam
Жыл бұрын
While it's easier to shoot, whenever I have conversations with police and soldiers that have had to use 9mm, as well as seen the footage....it's never very good. The .40 S&W on the other hand is generally a 2 shot stopper. I have not seen footage of .45 ACP as it's pretty rare in LE now days.
@brucemoriarty9964
2 жыл бұрын
Ii think the 45 was completely awesome. The 40 did a great job and the 9 as usual half sucked. Thanks for ya work on the video and have a fantastic night. 🌙
@nickmotsarsky4382
2 жыл бұрын
I can't imagine being as ignorant as you and thinking that 9mm shot "half sucked" or that 9mm in general isn't adequate for self-defense..
@SoWavvyy
2 жыл бұрын
half sucked? Re-watch the video. Either you're trippin hard or, you're just a hater. All rounds literally did equivalent.
@thedirtygot9570
Жыл бұрын
You should have included 10mm with 150gr nosler from underwood
@Magneticitist
Жыл бұрын
.40 is obviously going to be 'more effective' in most combat situations than 9mm.. I'd rather carry 9mm though... BUT, if I was going up the size of my carry cartridge I wouldn't grab .40, I'd shoot a grown man 10mm round because there isn't enough of a difference between modern 9mm and .40 to cry about.
@christopherjordan6237
Ай бұрын
Safety went on drawing it Again!!!!???? And how many redos? Nope….Glock is perfection. I thought it was just a cool saying but it’s truth
@eddiearchuleta615
2 жыл бұрын
That’s why safeties are bad in a defensive pistol
@brianleabo6295
Жыл бұрын
Where the 10mm ? The best round out their ! The only time someone well say not over penetrating is bad!
@louv4437
4 ай бұрын
You can hand load a 185 grain 45acp to hit 1240 Fps and that huge 45 bullet at that speed lol ouch, in this test the 40 was the winner in power
@Fer-De-Lance
2 жыл бұрын
9mm or .45 acp. The +P stuff jut makes it harder to get back on target quickly.
@robertmakowski7808
2 жыл бұрын
ps...it isn't the "quality" of the Nosler bullets...it's the velocity. Put most any of the other makers bullets at Underwood velocity and you will get about the same results. Slow those Nosler bullets down to the velocity of other makers ammo and you will see a LOT less expansion and more penetration...
@Depthatisthebest2000
9 ай бұрын
I got an idea: .357 sig +P+ against .380 HP. Let’s shoot a gel block.
@GunSam
9 ай бұрын
Okay. Link that .357 Sig +P+ ammo and I will buy it. Under SAAMI the .357 Sig is already a 40,000 PSI cartridge, you know.....because it was invented in 1994. It already is a "+P+".
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