Can you see the difference between between the most hated male idols and most hated female idols? Male idols did something wrong or controversial according to the knetizens but female idols just didn't smile or dressed with short clothes to be hated.
@namjoonsbonsai3817
2 жыл бұрын
Double standard
@laurennieee
2 жыл бұрын
Exactly. Males and females have their so called shits or fuck ups😒 double standards...
@gansz_lol
2 жыл бұрын
and then there are people saying, there aren't any double standards in the entertainment industry when you can see how men vs women get shit on for either a good reason or just bs🤡
@proudblink27
2 жыл бұрын
Double standard netizens.....
@evelynshuu
2 жыл бұрын
mhm girl i see it
@Hellisownedbygoth666
2 жыл бұрын
I genuinely feel really bad for Lucas, he was proven innocent he isn't coming home yet, Lumi hope that he is ok and he is staying safe and well.
@Dashomin
2 жыл бұрын
WTF he was proven innocent? How come so many people dont know he was innocent even till this day many think he is guilty. I think more people should know he is innocent
@salamamusa5130
2 жыл бұрын
lol he's not
@beefwonton08
2 жыл бұрын
I feel you;;; I hope the situation can be cleared fast eventho every accusation has been debunked, if there's no official statement by the agency, many people will still think that he's guilty;;; and yes let's hope/pray that he's okay;; I miss him;;
@brennathecatlover4360
2 жыл бұрын
@@salamamusa5130 and where’s the proof he’s guilty? Cuz words from anonymous people and pics online that u don’t know are true doesnt count
@johnny1275
2 жыл бұрын
So many people on tik tok still believe he is a terrible person, like it was all debunked?
@mochi5272
2 жыл бұрын
Personally, I don't like or dislike Woo-jin. I became a STAY after he left, so I can't say I'm angry or disappointed in him, because I have never cared, as rude (?) as that sounds. In my opinion, why hate a man for leaving a group, without knowing the reason he left. He was accused of bullying the other members, but we can't say if he did or didn't coz we don't have proof. Don't use Channie's message on his VLIVE as a way to justify yourself. I don't like nor dislike Woo-jin -- and personally think he is talented and cute -- either way, he shouldn't be hated on just becasue YOU are mad he left.
@hyunjinwroteredlights440
2 жыл бұрын
Finally someone who shares my opinion!😂 I don't Stan WoojinI don't hate Woojin, I simply couldn't care less
@anabee1272
2 жыл бұрын
Lol yessss, I agree😅😌
@0303b
2 жыл бұрын
Same.
@GiselleOutsold
2 жыл бұрын
*woojin flop*
@deal9361
2 жыл бұрын
@@GiselleOutsold tu cola pelada
@pwqdon
2 жыл бұрын
im stay and i support ot8 but i dont think that woojin is a bully. i think he leave bc he doesnt like the music genre of skz. if you listen to his songs now, its very soft, which is the opposite of skz's music.
@nxlix.x5424
2 жыл бұрын
it really is very soft but its also because his album is about what he went through after he left skz and all the accusations started, if you take a look at english lyrics of ready now its pretty well explaining his feelings just like the rest of the album and his covers
@alexandra_meta5386
2 жыл бұрын
@@nxlix.x5424 Yeah really his album is really good and the lyrics are so touching. He even participated on the lyrics of every song. He is doing really well but I wish all stays were there to support him on his worst times and not turn their back just like they did😔
@uribabydontstopchorom3257
2 жыл бұрын
Exactly plus he got really less lines, not saying that it's anyone's fault. It's just that it's SKZ's music is mostly focused on rap, that's the basic reason.
@uribabydontstopchorom3257
2 жыл бұрын
@@nxlix.x5424 Exactly, I literally bawled my eyes out while reading the lyrics of My Growing Pains 😭❤️
@madysonclaeys6934
2 жыл бұрын
@@owo-xu1fb That's what all idols have to say tho....especially in his situation he wouldn't be able to say anything if they did treat him wrong because it will cause more hate. Although I so think it was best for him to leave he kinda saved the other boys from the scandal that was coming...
@lollipanda8052
2 жыл бұрын
Hope to see Lucas back soon
@cosmofried
2 жыл бұрын
he may be back in 2022
@uribabydontstopchorom3257
2 жыл бұрын
@@cosmofried let's hope so
@Mursal786
2 жыл бұрын
I can’t believe the other stays aren’t over woojin like its kinda a long time ago woojin already moved on and so did straykids, woojin is better off without straykids and straykids is better off without woojin. End of discussion. (I’m a stay and a cub)
@manjughosh9425
2 жыл бұрын
Lucas is Innocent !!!! His case is truly made up
@shaunafrettim1715
2 жыл бұрын
Lucas is innocent 😔
@highdopamine29
2 жыл бұрын
im a 31 yr old woman, likes kpop, but seeing how extensive fans are, i was baffled about how some fans produce story fiction which are r18..and i wonder how old these "authors" are, and knwing some scandals, which makes me question wat if these are all fabricated stories from a psychopath fan destrying a successful idol... very creepy, yo kids, stop it,..
@TrinhNguyen-sh4fj
2 жыл бұрын
If they are just fan fictions then they should not be taken seriously.
@highdopamine29
2 жыл бұрын
@@TrinhNguyen-sh4fj alright genz..😂 in my pov, i just think how creepy and crazy a fan can imagine things to their idols, is it normal for u??? if its normal then go out touch some grass, just a thought from ur milenial😝😝😝 auntie
@jennierubyjane2007
2 жыл бұрын
@@highdopamine29 I agree... I am sure that those authors are not even 16! It's creepy.
@TrinhNguyen-sh4fj
2 жыл бұрын
@@highdopamine29 Not really as they are fiction. It is ok to be creative. It’s not like they are going out to do anything bad… I am older than you so I know how it is.
@TrinhNguyen-sh4fj
2 жыл бұрын
@@jennierubyjane2007 How do you know that? I am sure many of them are way older than that…
@atinyarmy4407
2 жыл бұрын
Its so annoying to see how many fans are still so easily manipulated by rumors. U would think with the scandals going on in the last 2yrs and how many idols have been proved innocent after leaving the group that fans would be more neutral in the Lucas situation instead of saying he should leave when SM hasnts even made a statement. But then again most of these ppl never liked him from the beginning and this was there perfect opportunity to hate on him or try to force him out so their favs could have more shine
@hresatyst.6208
2 жыл бұрын
The Woojin situation got escalated by the way he handled it. I remember being neutral and then he made that weird announcement and it made him look bad. I don't know what he is doing now but I hope he has a successful career
@Goosyloosy
2 жыл бұрын
What everyone fails to understand is that 10x registered company in July 2020, wj signed with 10x in middle Aug 2020, 2 weeks later fake victim Thais and fake staff Rafa posted their lies. How on earth did wj have anything to promote in 2 weeks? He had to explain all at once how he had joined 10x so people would understand why 10x would be taking legal action on his behalf. 10x only planned to make announcements in Oct 2020 that wj had joined them. They were all unprepared. People just can't be fair and reasonable. Everyone just had to jump on the bashing bandwagon.
@cerulean_dreams0
2 жыл бұрын
Can you please watch the DKDKtv channel? They did an interview and they talked about this very subject. The statement he made was completely mis-translated from the Korean language and this poor translation is what spread like wildfire through the international kpop community. Blame google translate, not him. Thanks for wishing him well
@TrinhNguyen-sh4fj
2 жыл бұрын
I heard Woojin now has a solo career and is very happy! Glad that he is still in the circle and happier after all he has been through.
@VIVI-fp8xy
2 жыл бұрын
Why did Lucas apologize at the first place tho? I'm NOT AT ALL HATING ON HIM I'm just curious. Why did he apologize when he was already innocent?
@chideranwana4554
2 жыл бұрын
It's propably SM that forced him to apologize. They aren't really the best at handling scandals. It's the same thing that happened with the Taeyong issue. They made Taeyong apologise and it was later proven that the allegations against him were false.
@bzeouichsarah5029
2 жыл бұрын
U know how shitty sm is , they dont even take the time to look into the matter , all they do is make their artists take the blame and apologize
@geniinabottle2005
2 жыл бұрын
Clearly you don't know how kpop companies work when it comes to allegations. It's all about damage control.
@cosmofried
2 жыл бұрын
they have 23 members, they probably didn't care about him nor even bothered to search it up, the fandoms themselves had to do all the work themselves to prove that everything was false, but people who doesn't know of the news or just hate him still hate him and are trying to use this whole incident as an excuse to get him out of nct
@Goosyloosy
2 жыл бұрын
Because those sasaengs are holding sm hostage. Those sasaengs literally talk about sm managers on their private weibo accounts.
@divakshijain8280
2 жыл бұрын
Kris Wu shocked the fuck out of me
@kbyeforever
2 жыл бұрын
question: why is every word censored? it's not just on this channel, either. i've tried googling and can't find any info. wouldn't having a content warning at the beginning be good rather than censoring words every single time they are mentioned (death, suicide, murder, rape, assault, bullying). if those words are a trigger i would think you would want to know beforehand what possible triggers are in a video, right? anyway i sometimes listen to videos like this rather than watch but then i have no idea what is being said because of the censoring. and most other channels don't even show you the word like "b*lly" they just never tell you and hope you figure it out lol so thank you for at least showing us the words! but also can someone let me know why this is a trend (sincere/genuine question)
@squiddly9138
2 жыл бұрын
Often having those words uncensored resulted in KZitem’s algorithm immediately demonetises the video
@kbyeforever
2 жыл бұрын
@@squiddly9138 ohhh ok that makes sense thank you!!!
@TheNart1234
2 жыл бұрын
Hey I don't understand why some words are being bleeped out, can someone enlighten me?
@nancysharma2096
2 жыл бұрын
not particularly the t-shirt incident but jimin actually get unnecessary hate in general. he has been main topics for hate & trolls for the way he looks & sexuality. he don't deserve the amount of dirt he gets tbh
@yoongimisser
2 жыл бұрын
exactly! And the way antis constantly makes fun of his past ED is just disgusting :( people have really placed kpop before their morals!
@1ananas2bananes
2 жыл бұрын
People just jealous tbh. Antis wanna get on BTS any chance they get. Disgusting people
@bangladeshiarmyforever
2 жыл бұрын
Ikr ;-;
@euphoriya09
2 жыл бұрын
I agree. The shirt was kinda controversial, and it's good that Hybe took action. But Jimin, on the other hand, would be the most hated member, for stupid reasons.
@nancysharma2096
2 жыл бұрын
@@euphoriya09 ain't nobody jumped on that monstex guy wearing same tshirt ofc its jimin but yeah hybe cleared the things up immediately
@theviolet6352
2 жыл бұрын
One thing about Lucas is that, there is definitely no sexual allegations in the original Op post. The sexual allegations were only sparked by antis after he made the apology statement (which logically had benefitted the antis since Lucas apologised first). The debunked things were not only because they are his fans, but if all of you read carefully the thread, there is literally no victim at all. 1. The Op who posted the allegations on twitter showed so much connections with WayV sasaengs (use the same hashtag, use the same pinned location, involves in trading and selling idols private photos etc) 2. the data from Ops old posts showed that Ops are manga lovers, and read gay manga which one of the characters have the exact same facial/body features with Lucas. 3. The fans also hired private investigator and found out that the outfit/jacket they claimed to be Lucas' is actually taken from a photoshoot in a store. (which they already confirmed with the owner) There are really a lot of suspicions raised from the claims that makes all of the allegations questionable
@k_jjunn06
2 жыл бұрын
what is op?
@jaesan8083
2 жыл бұрын
@@k_jjunn06 OP is “original person” who started all the accusations and who fabricated the evidence
@TrinhNguyen-sh4fj
2 жыл бұрын
@@emotionaldamage9894 well you know how it is, haters just got to hate even if there is clearly proof in front of their eyes.
@byunbaekhyun1075
2 жыл бұрын
@@emotionaldamage9894 IKR idk why some people believes that it even trended in twitter for Lucas to leave. Thefuck?
@ИмяФамилия-ф2д8ш
2 жыл бұрын
Why would people trade and buy private photos when they have official professionaly made ones?...
@adishreevermaa
2 жыл бұрын
Istg I hate people who hate lucas for no reason💀💀
@emogyu2538
2 жыл бұрын
The rumors are announced fake and people still give a lot of hate to him
@shawolzen4893
2 жыл бұрын
Because apparently he SA'd someone but there's no evidence of even him knowing the girl
@DaenerysUchiha
2 жыл бұрын
I miss him so much the people who spread those rumours are horrible people and so are all those who hate him for things he didn't do
@evelynshuu
2 жыл бұрын
maam Lucas deserves to be free from this hate
@o-o8901
2 жыл бұрын
@@shawolzen4893 the op didn’t even mention SA so that came out of nowhere from antis💀
@iamamess2333
2 жыл бұрын
I feel really bad for Lucas. SM should have handled the situation better. I just hope they are taking actions although they didn't tell the fans. Especially SM is known to take legal actions in silence. But regarding this case is it too much to give us " We are investigating the issue" kind of a statement instead of throwing their artist under the bus. They were just afraid of loosing their China money with the situation in C-entertainment industry during those days. At this point I don't care if he's in WayV or not. I just want him to be happy and healthy and do whatever he want.I will still support him no matter what..
@chengqifan5071
2 жыл бұрын
True. SM is the worst example of dealing rumors or attack from netizens and sasaengs. The only response they can do always is hiatus but not give justice and reputation back to their hard working artist.
@xiisenpai.3.170
2 жыл бұрын
korean netizens definitely take things way too seriously especially when it comes to rumours
@anushree1798
2 жыл бұрын
And won't care if it is real and support them
@Saoirsharein
2 жыл бұрын
Then when its about crime then went full silent cuz the suspects are their favorite boys/girls
@fat74k
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah,Thay believe every single thing that thay see on social media
@cheese_kimbap1279
2 жыл бұрын
Honestly can‘t blame it on them when the whole world was participating in spreading those rumors.
@kristin123a
2 жыл бұрын
Oh, the Woojin case was all over international fans as well. International stays were going crazy hating on him and creating new conspiracy theories about bullying and so on.
@chengetaimubaiwa2239
2 жыл бұрын
The Woojin situation is why I always stay neutral when stuff like this pop up on social media
@eccofr
2 жыл бұрын
🚩🚩🚩
@asmaomar4712
2 жыл бұрын
Agreeeeeee 🤝
@Goosyloosy
2 жыл бұрын
And that's why fake victim Thais made a tt video saying she can prove how dumb people are! She most certainly proved that.
@archie8893
2 жыл бұрын
@@eccofr how is that a red flag sweetie like seriously if you know the person behind the keyboard personally I would encourage you standing for her but when you don't even know the person behind the keyboard like that person can be literally a man and say he is a woman and is got pregnant by a idol or can be a fing 13 yr old minor who lives in Brazil saying That she was in a korean bar. The person behind the anonymous account can be a literal psychopath or a pathological liar who knows . When you don't know the person behind the keyboard it's better to stay neutral and let the official ( police investigation ) take care of it instead of taking matters in your hand . In this way you not only hurt the possible victim and neither do you support a possible criminal . Cause if it turned out that the possible victim was actually a criminal ( defamation is a crime btw) then you would be almost ruining a innocent persons life . Staying neutral is rather the best decision any one can ever make . So now can you explain me why you think staying neutral is a red flag I would love to know that .
@chengetaimubaiwa2239
2 жыл бұрын
@Moonstar nothing but facts fam. 😌
@mistermoses8775
2 жыл бұрын
Woojin was betrayed by his own Fandom, what the heck, "stays"??? He's been cleared of all accusations and has solo music now. It's actually pretty good. He's got quality stuff
@1ananas2bananes
2 жыл бұрын
I don’t have anything on stays and personally love stray kids members to heaven and back but.. the bad apples in that fandom really makes it hard for me to get any closer or even Stan the group
@bæn-f7u
2 жыл бұрын
@@1ananas2bananes this. I used to stan but after looking below the surface of the fandom it got too hard for me to continue 😬
@1ananas2bananes
2 жыл бұрын
@@bæn-f7u yeah. Sometimes I always feel so bad for artist being so kind and lovable like Straykids are then having some few bad apples making the fandom look toxic even when they r still kind stays there
@finlee5460
2 жыл бұрын
Let's make this clear, his fandom USE to be stays, now he is a soloist and has his own fandom that is not stays ☝️not to mention he got hated by the whole K-pop Industry fans... So don't just apply to us
@1ananas2bananes
2 жыл бұрын
@@finlee5460 most people that didn’t Stan Straykids simply stayed neutral. Stays that always nvr liked him used this as an opportunity to start hating on him like calling him ugly and shit. Who brought up the whole bullying scandal thing? Wasn’t it a stay?!
@businessisboomin7252
2 жыл бұрын
Most hated: Oily Lotion....oh wait he's not even an idol 💀
@anushree1798
2 жыл бұрын
How can u forget that broo
@TWICE.FIGHTING
2 жыл бұрын
Please! I'm always against bullying ANYONE online, but Oily Oppar is an excpetion. He's ASKING to be bullied. 🤡
@Saoirsharein
2 жыл бұрын
Stop..... 😭😂😂😂😂😂 he's my ult b-bias 😨 nevermind
@anushachowdhury3909
2 жыл бұрын
i am wheezing💀
@emogyu2538
2 жыл бұрын
@@Saoirsharein HE’S UR BIAS TOO
@everglowup
2 жыл бұрын
The Woojin allegations were bullshit from day one. Sniffed the garbage from a MILLION miles away! 😑
@thatssuspicious279
2 жыл бұрын
It's always international fans who believe victims without any proves, it's seriously annoying they don't keven know these idols and what happened between them People should either find prove or stay neutral, canceling idols just for existing is getting way too normal, because of them Woojin got so much hate and Jimin is inactive now(hope she is doing well), stays r probably one of the trashiest Fandom, they act like they know the members like they r the members of skz on their own.
@thatssuspicious279
2 жыл бұрын
@Kang Seulgi's simp oh- thanks for telling me, I was telling k-netizens coz most of the idols who were canceled for no reasons were canceled by k-netzens Tnx of info btw I will edit my comment :)
@uribabydontstopchorom3257
2 жыл бұрын
Ikr! He didn't deserve this, but I'm glad that he's doing fine now❤️
@@thatssuspicious279 no it's ifans because they still believe in the "ALWAYS believe victims" thing
@HymsongVariations
2 жыл бұрын
Although it spans 2.5 years in total (2010-2012) Jonghyun was probably one of the more hated male idols of 2012 because Anti's and fans threw a fit when he dated Shin Se Kyung in 10-11. At their concert, well several, he apologized because they were giving him and all of Shinee a black ocean for him dating. It was stupid. They had signed petty petitions to have him removed amongst other things and posted videos of them burning shine goods. It was stupid and probably impacted Jonghyuns later hurt and pain. Poor baby. Rest in Peace angel
@FrenchFriesStephanny
2 жыл бұрын
Poor baby. He just wanted to enjoy life. Miss him so much.
@boogiebear3095
2 жыл бұрын
That poor man. He deserved better.
@jeongjaehyxn
Жыл бұрын
Jonyhyun did well in this world. We love you and miss you.
@haylen5253
2 жыл бұрын
I feel terrible for Woojin. His case is definitely the reason I personally wait until the whole thing is over before accusing someone wrongly. I mean just imagine waking up checking your phone and the only thing you see are fake rumours and hate messages flooding your social media. It must have been terrible for him.
@Sky_..Cloud05
2 жыл бұрын
Same.
@KHAYREE-kc
2 жыл бұрын
Here’s the know it all 🤓
@haylen5253
2 жыл бұрын
@@KHAYREE-kc ?
@KHAYREE-kc
2 жыл бұрын
@Moonstar you thought you ate
@1ananas2bananes
2 жыл бұрын
@@KHAYREE-kc she did think she ate didn’t she lmao!! But she devoured the whole plate. Get back in that damn basement and don’t be using my WiFi over there increasing my bills and shit!!🤷🏾♀️
@a5m7a32
2 жыл бұрын
If you ever think you're useless. Think of those who still hate Woojin. You'll realize you're not as useless as them.
@luizelima_arts
2 жыл бұрын
Those people are the entire goddamn comical entertainment industry istfg
@zelwonnie
2 жыл бұрын
woojin's case is one of the worst because imagine literally not doing anything and then one day people start spreading disgusting rumors about you and everybody INCLUDING your own fans hating you while saying horrible things about you and not letting you move on for months. he truly is an inspiration for surviving the hate and being so strong. love woojin so much! and majority of stays are the worst :)
@youtubeme588
2 жыл бұрын
Lucas didn't do anything either.
@Rikimuraa
2 жыл бұрын
I understand what you mean about woojin he doesn’t really deserve any of it but judging a whole fandom based on one scandal says a lot about what kind fandom you are
@imfire5391
2 жыл бұрын
@@Rikimuraa i haven’t met 1 stay that doesn’t hate woojin, besides myself (i’m a stay)
@ratelly5657
2 жыл бұрын
@@imfire5391 yeas i do not hate woojin for sure i mean why would i ( I’m a stay too :D )
@phantom_nanomxlodie3789
2 жыл бұрын
@@Rikimuraa You should know they don't mean it that way. Just most of them are weird. My sister is a stay but she dose not care that people say it's the worst fandom bc most of them are and she agrees but if anyone said she was she would not agree. Stop acting dense.
@kiki-uy6ri
2 жыл бұрын
as a nctzen i feel so bad for lucas
@oifelixcomeherebro1689
2 жыл бұрын
he is literally accused of sexual assault. ANd before you say "He's been proven innocent," Nope. That was debunked by fans, not officially.
@cosmofried
2 жыл бұрын
@@oifelixcomeherebro1689 The rumors are announced fake, there are a lot of proofs that he did not do them, moreover all the accuser herself was exposed using vpn and fake emails to catfish as a chinese/korean while using other people instagram pictures as a way for the story, don't know what the hell are you still saying but im guessing your not an nctzen since you look like you came from a cave
@uribabydontstopchorom3257
2 жыл бұрын
@@cosmofried I just knew that the girl was lying when she posted a picture of him laying on a sofa, mentioning that it was him lying on the sofa of a motel room where they spent the night. That picture was of WayV dorms lmao . . . . Sorry for the bad english lol it's not my first language
@dncm5405
2 жыл бұрын
@@oifelixcomeherebro1689 actually the so called "girls" who accused him never said anything about SA if you only read the translations you got it totally wrong the SA accusation is just made up from anties in the heat of the moment if you were there from the very the start you would know!!!
@aariachaudhary6143
2 жыл бұрын
@@oifelixcomeherebro1689 sexual assault?? I thought it was just gaslighting
@rainsormymuniranusratbrist8666
2 жыл бұрын
I feel so sad for Lucas.He is just innocent.When I am in depression,I watch Lucas's videos and feel so happy.I can't imagine that he will suffer that much for such false accusation.I want to see Lucas happy face again.
@TrinhNguyen-sh4fj
2 жыл бұрын
Sadly many haters just got to hate even if proof is right in front of their face.
@umiuwuuu
2 жыл бұрын
I cant believe “stays” would betray theyre own idol, i feel so bad for woojin he’s so innocent.
@hotsexyangel
2 жыл бұрын
They didn’t betray him, they thought he did a horrid thing. You wouldn’t support someone after thinking they hurt others right? Exactly. The rumors have been cleared now but people were just trying to help the alleged victims at the time. Everyone thought they were doing the right thing, it wasn’t “betrayal” so don’t label it as that.
@imfire5391
2 жыл бұрын
@@hotsexyangel maybe people should calm down and see the outcome first rather than LITERALLY RUINING SOMEONES CAREER, stay neutral or support the victim while still being sus BECAUSE WE DONT KNOW ANYTHING, i refuse to blindly believe accusations ESPECIALLY those without any proof
@feebzcheez
Жыл бұрын
@@hotsexyangel i think the big problem is how quickly stays turned on woojin. a fanbase is supposed to be loyal.
@feebzcheez
Жыл бұрын
@@titandarknight2698 well he was literally innocent after all. the amount of stays who hate woojin because of these FAKE accusations is stupidly insane
@narenbarrette9687
2 жыл бұрын
Some deserve hate, some don't derserve hate. some deserve a second chance, some don't.
@TWICE.FIGHTING
2 жыл бұрын
Even those who did wrong, they don't deserve hate. Yes, they deserve to face the consequences of their actions, but they don't deserve to be hated.
@brennathecatlover4360
2 жыл бұрын
Then u should deserve hate cuz I doubt you’re a perfect angel 😂
@brennathecatlover4360
2 жыл бұрын
Nah no one deserves hate
@brennathecatlover4360
2 жыл бұрын
@Kang Seulgi's simp I wasn’t talking about people that do rape and murder lol
@brennathecatlover4360
2 жыл бұрын
@Kang Seulgi's simp Yeaa lol
@honeymilk3815
2 жыл бұрын
Y'all don't deserve woojin at all. He's sucha precious baby LIKE HOW DARE YOU F&KING HURT HIM so called sTaYS sMh and lucas oh god- do not get me started on both of them.
@norais10vely
2 жыл бұрын
I can't speak on the others since I don't follow them but I'm hopeful Lucas returns to his active duties next yr. I know ppl are like how can you still root for him when he has SA allegations but I follow actual C-fans and while they admit he's being dragged for the fuck boy stuff, there are no SA allegations over there. Sure they could be lying but why would they when it would be easy for others to prove it's true? As for SK the cops there legit just made an arrest for a case of SA that happened like 14 yrs ago. They'd 100% be investigating him if those claims were true. So I dunno; I've read the debunked stuff on his other issues & whether you believe it or not it still shows stalkers are a whole ass mess.
@gac379
2 жыл бұрын
I just wanna give a warm hug to Woojin and Lucas. They've been dragged through mud for nothing but fake allegations :(
@TWICE.FIGHTING
2 жыл бұрын
I feel so bad for Woojin. The allegations against him had been denied. He got so much hate for no reason. As a STAY, I find it very disgusting to see other STAYs sending him hate. Don't call yourself a real STAY if you hate Woojin. Even if you don't like him, don't hate him. I can name numerous so-called Kpop channels who took part in this hate train. He did not deserve that. It's funny how some STAYs will excuse the mistakes, no matter how big, made by SKZ members, but they don't forgive Woojin - as if like he even did something wrong. Edit: there is a certain someone in the replies telling me I don't know what really happened. I'm sorry, I didn't know you were there to witness all the "bullying", as if you yourself got all the inside scoop from the members themselves. 🤡
@seungminkim9707
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I love woojin soo much he didn't deserve hate I love stray kids and woojin 😁😁😁
@omgwhat684
2 жыл бұрын
Truly
@Danna-ek5hq
2 жыл бұрын
At least his career is being restored after the hate and I'm proud as a cub
@stanchaos9727
2 жыл бұрын
Exactly!
@Liz-rf4qu
2 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately I don't know him. I became a Stay this year.
@gluestickgirlie
2 жыл бұрын
People hated woojin before he even left the group so, that just shows that stays were biased cuz he wasn’t ‘as attractive’
@cerulean_dreams0
2 жыл бұрын
Which makes no sense because Woojin is attractive af
@Muniii10
2 жыл бұрын
They are two faced
@sherwinlambkin7082
2 жыл бұрын
You're right he wasn't attractive... He was FUCKING GORDEOUS AND ADORABLE!
@isabellebrown2215
2 жыл бұрын
Ikr? And tbh he was the first one to catch my eyes in skz, tbh. He just has this auro around him-
@gluestickgirlie
2 жыл бұрын
@@isabellebrown2215 yup!
@coolhwa105
2 жыл бұрын
Its heartbreaking to see those so called nctzens trying to force lucas to get out of the group when he was PROVED false anyway nct is 23 always!! lets support their cb coming soon ^^
@cosmofried
2 жыл бұрын
yasss fighting czennies!
@uribabydontstopchorom3257
2 жыл бұрын
@@cosmofried yessssss🌱💚
@ezhilmalarlydia
2 жыл бұрын
Yes💚
@coolhwa105
2 жыл бұрын
@@cosmofried YASSS LETS GET IT~
@JustSomeoneLMJF_4
2 жыл бұрын
It's 23 until SM decided to add a couple more
@finermashups
2 жыл бұрын
Even though I’m being neutral, I feel bad about Woojin and Lucas. They were brought onto similar scandal types, and they both have proven innocent and clear. But the hate train still running.
@camilogalvez7236
2 жыл бұрын
Not to descredit assault victims, but is so easy to go online and accused someone of something without any evidence. Ruin someone’s career with lies is terrible.
@yutisima
2 жыл бұрын
exactly my thoughts. it's especially unconsiderate because it just takes away power from honest accusations. just imagine the amount of bad things some idols might have done but we will never know because the person who knows about it is afraid they'll be seen as a liar
@sam_sa09
2 жыл бұрын
Exactly..ppl say guilty until proven to be innocent but I don't think that's fair. There shouldn't be any judgements being made.
@TrinhNguyen-sh4fj
2 жыл бұрын
Exactly but many excuse liars as not being bad at all. That is not true at all.
@brennathecatlover4360
2 жыл бұрын
That’s why for Lucas im not believing anonymous accounts😂 and the Kris thing idk what to believe anymore lol
@infinitude7625
2 жыл бұрын
I find it interesting how these "rumors" only happen to certain ppl. If it's so easy to spread rumors online, why isn't it common and prevalent that can affect a lot of ppl? Perhaps there is really something about those ppl that are terrible and did something wrong that propagated worse rumors.
@jo6997
2 жыл бұрын
The people who jumped on the hate train against Lucas are disgusting. You should really be ashamed of yourself. Ot22 and Ot6s 🤮. Half of them were too lazy to actually read the posts and just followed behind others. Many who were antis and part of the same ring of saseangs who started this mess. For those who actually read and paid attention since this mess begin you'd know a few critical things: 1. The evidence provided by the OPs was debunked. Not some of it. All of it. The pictures of items OP claimed to purchase weren't even items available to be purchased where they claimed to live. Not to mention the spliced together voice-mail messages, the badly edited pics, etc. 2. The OPS never alleged SA. Ever. There's probably a good reason including them not wanting it to become a criminal investigation because then they would be held accountable for any false information they gave online or otherwise. In addition the dates they gave Lucas was out of the country and working. Was he SAing them via Zoom? Lucas is a foreigner living in a country with political tensions with his home country. There is no way the SK government would let Lucas as a Chinese man get away with a criminal offense against a Korean citizen. 3. Gaslighting/Cheating: the OPS said Lucas told them he didn't want a gf. If the allegations were true they chose to keep seeing him knowing he was not going to commit. They used gifts to try to win his affection. They didn't get the relationship they dreamed off so they turned on him. Using gifts to win affection and then turning on a person is manipulative and vengeful to say the least. 4. Lucas has the right to date who he wants even fans. He also has the right not to stay with said fans if they turn out to be possessive or obsessive. People in relationships even casual ones sometimes give each other gifts. Just because someone gives you a gift doesn't mean you owe them anything in return. This goes for men and women. Do I believe Lucas dates -yep. I believe all idols do. The fact they have to hide it leads to crap like this where those they date can say anything because it's done behind closed doors instead of out in the open. People think Lucas is on a long hiatus because he really did something horrible. But it's really for his safety, he and his family are being followed and doxxed. He's receiving death threats. In addition SM is hiding him to protect their staff because Lucas said there are staff members selling access to members to saseang fans for money -which is so scary. So yeah there's more to it then just the online rumors but not necessarily for the reason alot of people think.
@ensjg725
2 жыл бұрын
👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
@tanzila127
2 жыл бұрын
Well said and explained 👏
@jaesan8083
2 жыл бұрын
Lucas is innocent. Haters can try all they want to discredit him and find stupid reasons to hate on him but you will never win. Allegations were proven false, evidences were fabricated, there was no victim. In fact the victim is Lucas himself. SA was never mentioned even in the fake accusations, this was something antis made up to spread like wildfire to hate on him. Saesangs started this whole thing specifically Your Highness and Luxor. KNOW the facts before spitting stupid nonsense defaming my boy. Nct OT23 and Wayv7 *kisses haters 😘* you lost 💅🏼
@justinganaden7149
2 жыл бұрын
Imagine a new NCT member in the near future will claim that Lucas is his ex-boyfriend.
@nervewrecker2976
2 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@honeymilk3815
2 жыл бұрын
Woojin is such a strong man I'm so proud of him. AND HOW DARE YOU CALL HIM UGLY just shows how shallow my fandom is, istg I'm so embarrassed $hitty people please stay away I'll even pay you 💙💙💙
@angel784
2 жыл бұрын
I'm telling you now and I'll even write it on paper for you. Lucas is innocent. 😭💚
@Saoirsharein
2 жыл бұрын
Kpop idols celebrating their independemce got everyone mad. We (even famous ppl in our country) celebrate that too BUT our colonizers didn't go wild af just cuz of it. And once again WW2 was studies cuz of that simple "accident"
@GiselleOutsold
2 жыл бұрын
*south korea is a part of china*
@sudiptakar6955
2 жыл бұрын
@@GiselleOutsold get the f outta here and open geo text book gurl
@muahahahahahhaahha201
2 жыл бұрын
@@dacom1179 PLZ SHE EMBARASSING AS HELL 💀✋
@1ananas2bananes
2 жыл бұрын
Exactly what I was thinking!! Why tf where they mad that Koreans were happy that their holders or slave masters left them to go? I’ve watched numerous films of when Japan use to hold Korea such as (assassination 2017 movie). I’d be happy too if our holder let us go
@user-oo5xn8uh6c
2 жыл бұрын
And now Lucas isn't part of WayV's comeback because of the hiatus 😔
@TrinhNguyen-sh4fj
2 жыл бұрын
Yes but sadly many idiots think he is being kicked out for sure. They surely know nothing.
@omgwhat684
2 жыл бұрын
Yes , woojin is one of best member , he has personal reason to be separate and everyone respect it , even people hate bangchan to let go ,woojin , this things isn't in the hands to him, ....🙏🏻🙏🏻 Surely everything goes right with both of them
@Shivamkumar-uu9tu
2 жыл бұрын
Why did he leave though?
@talarv9026
2 жыл бұрын
@@Shivamkumar-uu9tu He left for personal matters (that's what it says on jype's announcement) and we won't know why, unless he himself wants to talk about it one day (he doesn't have to). And we don't have to know about it but just respect his decision. (btw if my phrasing sounds rude or harsh, sorry about it, I wasn't planning it to sound like that at all)
@clehee4679
2 жыл бұрын
Chan literally said that woojin betrayed them💀
@talarv9026
2 жыл бұрын
@@clehee4679 He didn’t say his name. So no he didn’t specifically say that Woojin betrayed them. Oh and Chan also said to not send hate to him when all those happened (when some stays were sending hate just because of Chan’s live) but you guys seem to dismiss those words of him. You listen to him when assuming that he says something bad about Woojin but when it comes to him actually warning to not send hate to Woojin, you are not listening all of a sudden. (Sorry if my phrasing is bad, english is not my native language)
@talarv9026
2 жыл бұрын
@Moonstar aaww thank you. I just can’t stand these type of comments. Even though I wanna ignore, sometimes I just can’t. These people are ignoring the proofs/truth knowingly which is right in front of their eyes and that makes me mad.
@nyarix4838
2 жыл бұрын
Woojin situation makes me sad. He really didn’t do anything.
@itsRebeccaRayne
2 жыл бұрын
He was seen frequenting prostitution bars, that's likely why he was kicked out as it is against their contract. He was kicked out of course he did something wrong??
@nyarix4838
2 жыл бұрын
@@itsRebeccaRayne he wasn’t kicked out lol. He left the group himself. Also he didn’t go to any prostitution bars 💀💀
@nyarix4838
2 жыл бұрын
@@itsRebeccaRayne he left the group mostly because he wanted to be a solo artist. He’s a soloist now. He looks really happy. Pls do ur research before you say silly things like that.
@talarv9026
2 жыл бұрын
@@itsRebeccaRayne I don't know what kind of proof you wanna have to believe that he wasn't kicked out, but you literally have a jype announcement where it says he left for personal issues (which could be his desire to be soloist, mistreatment, a family issue, mental health problems etc etc). It doesn't say that he is kicked out anywhere in that announcement. (don't tell me things like 'jype probably hid it' or 'jype didn't wanna have scandals' cuz I'm sure if he did something wrong and actually was kicked out, that would definitely be written on jype's announcement) I don't know why you, people like you, try so hard to spread false information about someone you don't even know personally. Talking without any proof... Just say that you hate him...
@nyarix4838
2 жыл бұрын
@@talarv9026 for real. JYP is not shy to exposing the truth behind artist departures.. it takes simple research to see that. Like I hate how people make claims as such with no proof, especially when the claims are so serious. You can’t just say things like that. Words have serious impact. People now of days 🤦🏽♀️
@gargivasave17
2 жыл бұрын
Woojin and Lucas are innocent said by a StayZen
@detphemale
2 жыл бұрын
The term "gas lighting" is being so incorrectly overused. Look up the meaning.
@aprilmido2177
2 жыл бұрын
i was saying cause i looked it up (gas lighting meaning) and when i looked over the whole scandal it didn't sound nothing like "gas lighting" at all
@FrenchFriesStephanny
2 жыл бұрын
Fr. Like... he "gaslighted" the girl into buying him expensive stuffs? Lmao.
@mygrowingpains
2 жыл бұрын
so if you're not really familiar with what woojin had and still has to go through because of toxic kpop stans, here's a quick summary: • he is being made fun of for the way he looks and has people compare his face features to those of animals • he had his phone number leaked by some anti and people sent him death threats and gore pictures • there's hate and death threats literally everywhere on his social media and people still make hate videos and posts on him • he had his fans turn their back on him and burn his photocards and posters • he gets attacked for the stupidest things like doing a cover of a song or trending on twitter for his music for example • he said there were days when he couldn't eat or sleep because of the hate • stays gave him the name "sound monster" and keep spreading the lie that skz hate him and so should everyone else and I'm sure there's more i can't think of rn but seriously no one talks about how all this hate goes to an innocent man who is literally just minding his own business. woojin deserves a lot better, he's a good person
@cerulean_dreams0
2 жыл бұрын
👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 Thanks Cub
@bangladeshiarmyforever
2 жыл бұрын
@Moonstar THIS! I WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE! And what makes me even madder is that I had come across a lot of Stays in the comments section of Woojin-related vids where they had directly said, "Stays, he has been proven innocent so let's just stop now. Anyways, vote for SKZ/stream SKZ's *inserts recent song name*". Like, didn't you even feel 1% guilty for misjudging an innocent person?
@ittosjuicytits3294
2 жыл бұрын
Facts I really hope stop and think about what they are doing
@isabellebrown2215
2 жыл бұрын
EXACTLY.
@hotsexyangel
2 жыл бұрын
I wouldn’t say he’s a good person, we still don’t know him personally. We don’t know any idol personally so we can’t say for sure if they’re good or bad people.
@ayaraa6598
2 жыл бұрын
The fact Lucas is innocent n is Still hated...The amount of troll on his mental health..I don't don't think Lucas will still be the same...He just needs to stay strong in this situation.. People need to understand this!! FIGHTING XUXI💚🌈📸
@luccasnct4296
2 жыл бұрын
Just hope that when he return from his haitus we get the same old happy and cheerful lucas
@ayaraa6598
2 жыл бұрын
@@luccasnct4296 I doubt that Still...I wish him a happy return
@everglowup
2 жыл бұрын
I miss Lucas sm 😭
@Danna-ek5hq
2 жыл бұрын
Let's just hope Jalapeño gets released and not cancelled cuz I've been dying to wait for the release but its being pushed further😞
@geniinabottle2005
2 жыл бұрын
This close to breaking into SM and leaking jalapeño
@remruatpuiiralte4815
2 жыл бұрын
I trust Lucas...celebrity always has this kinds of small problem..i hope i comeback soon..better than ever 🥰🥰
@madysonclaeys6934
2 жыл бұрын
Most reasonable has to be Kris like the proof there was a lot. Still sad that Woojin still gets hate tho it makes no sense...same with Lucas as well..
@brennathecatlover4360
2 жыл бұрын
To me the texts just look like him acting like an fboy tho. And his case is so messy idk what to believe anymore tbh
@madysonclaeys6934
2 жыл бұрын
@@brennathecatlover4360 Wait Krises or Lucas? 😅
@TrinhNguyen-sh4fj
2 жыл бұрын
Not sure if what we saw in Kris’ case is all legit proof.
@madysonclaeys6934
2 жыл бұрын
@@TrinhNguyen-sh4fj you see I know some of it was lies but I also know they said some were true. I mean if it wasn't he wouldn't be arrested 🤷. Also there were other victims who came forward to say so to and didn't go to Twitter and other platforms to say so.
@starmy7908
2 жыл бұрын
I feel band for Lucas and Woojin, both have been proven innocent but people still hate on them.
@JiaPia3
2 жыл бұрын
Why would Jimin be called a Nazi when the Japanese people were on the Nazi’s side as an Axis power (not Ally)? If anything, he’s celebrating the demise of the Axis powers’ regime…?
@haylienicole3433
2 жыл бұрын
You know what’s really sad is that so many people lie online about getting SA by a celebrity to the point where it makes it hard for victims who actually have this happen to them to speak out. For anyone who went/is going through something like this, just a reminder that you are strong, you will get through this, and you’re not alone💕
@infires3088
2 жыл бұрын
I don't know the whole thing clearly but jimin's controversy was a big misunderstanding and armys played a huge role in trying to resolve the issue by collecting information related to the text written on his shirt and they managed to get good evidences to prove that Jimin was not intended to hate Japanese people and did resolved the issue at the end proving him innocent
@O_Ciel_Phant0mhive
2 жыл бұрын
I'm glad :(
@modkip25
2 жыл бұрын
he was still walking around with a picture of a war crime on his back. it's inexcusable.
@infires3088
2 жыл бұрын
@@modkip25 if you look at it the text is in English and jimin definitely had no idea what it was talking about + T-shirts with a war picture and blast pictures are common in the market so it was hard to know the exact thing it is depicting also the outfits are given by the costume designers so you can't really blame jimin for it and no idol or public figure would like to ruin their years of hard work by doing something that dumb intentionally
@infires3088
2 жыл бұрын
@@jenneyluna3936 girl I am not justifying I am just sharing my thoughts and I don't understand how are you suppose to know which event does a particular picture represents I mean I couldn't guess which event a picture is from + why do you think he was celebrating isn't it dumb enough of a celebrity to do something like this on purpose and get cancelled by not just that entire country but also by several other people that too just before you have to perform there and he couldn't be thinking that no one will notice he's always followed by paparazzi also Japan has the biggest kpop fan base in the world every group wants to have their name established in Japan in such situations mocking Japanese people's sentiments is like purposely asking people to cancel them PS : I'm just sharing my thoughts and I obviously do not support purposely mocking someone's sentiments
@infires3088
2 жыл бұрын
@@jenneyluna3936 listen to me I understand your point but the fact remains that the picture is very small trust me I wouldn't have noticed it myself if I was wearing that shirt and the text is related to patriotism as you mentioned which makes it look like something related to patriotic feeling for one's country more over it was at the back of the shirt and the odds of noticing it or understanding the true meaning behind it is very low as you can't see it yourself even in the mirror And you didn't sounded rude at all you were just sharing your views as I was... you don't have to be sorry about it..and I know you too care about Jimin so don't worry I don't see you as a hatter 👍
@fullsundotgov
2 жыл бұрын
the fact that the lucas allegations were made one day before his comeback with hendery. i don’t understand why we’re still debating this about him.
@chengqifan5071
2 жыл бұрын
Lucas is innocent. He exposed sasaengs in bubble and then Lucas got attack by rumors since then. If u read investigate report in Twitter you'll know those allegations was written by Sasaengs Yourhighness, luxor, flytothemoon, spacetape and other WayV Chinese and Indonesian sasaengs who live in Korea. In between that, there might some other Chinese sponsor who give money and cooperate with. SM entertainment needs to release new statement. It's so wrong that SM keeps asking innocent idols to apologize first and then just let idols to fight these rumors alone.
@Christine-101-s2b
2 жыл бұрын
WOOJIN DOESNT DESRVE THE HATE IM A STAY AND IM ALSO A CUB LIKE YALL GOT NO FUCKING PROOF HES A BULLY THE ONLY PROOF WAS THE CLIP FROM THAT GAME EVERYONE WAS PLSYING TOUGH AND THEY DIDNT GET CALLED BULLY
@288t.lahriatrengi6
2 жыл бұрын
Why people hate Lucas it already prove it fake and he innocent 😭
@Goosyloosy
2 жыл бұрын
Because people are fake and love to jump on bandwagons. If they really cared about real sa victims, they would be crowdfunding so real victims can get abortions, therapy, and medical treatment for hiv, stds, bladder and yeast infections, torn vaginal walls from dry sex etc. Instead all internet sa crusaders do is throw words around and jump on bashing bandwagons.
@eita8946
2 жыл бұрын
i hope karma goes hard on those mfs who spread lies on woojin knowing how many ppl are actually needing help and assistance from abuse. weirdos
@coffeetae
2 жыл бұрын
I’m happy that woojin seems to be doing better. I haven’t listened to or watched all his content, but it seems good! Definitely gonna be a cub soon 🐻
@Muniii10
2 жыл бұрын
Everything single day new content 💙🐻
@trustyourmechanic177
2 жыл бұрын
I’m actually starting to become a supporter of woojin ^_^
@coffeetae
2 жыл бұрын
@@Muniii10 i watched the learning spanish live and it was so cute
@Muniii10
2 жыл бұрын
@@coffeetae I know right. He literally putting everything to keep us happy. If you became Cub, than welcome to our fandom Cub. I'm mama cub and I really love to welcome baby cubs 💙
@coffeetae
2 жыл бұрын
@@Muniii10 aw ty 😭 i definitely will
@EliNIoS
2 жыл бұрын
Daesung was proven innocent through police investigations. It was proven that the man was already died when he had the first accident and his family accepted and forgave Daesung. Also Daesung was not drunk, he was just driving carelessly which caused him to not see the victim's body on the street. Also it was said that the taxi and Daesung's car were really close to each other so when the taxi driver changed the line he didn't have enough time to react and do the same. Kim Hyun Joong was proven innocent as well. His image was damaged the worst among all these guys mentioned and not only for those 2 years but all these years until now he can not have activities in SK. The ex-girlfriend was lying about everything and it was proven on court and she was sentenced as well. Lucas and Woojin were innocent but were canceled because nowadays Kpop fans just ride on the train of hate without waiting for evidence or furthur news. Most of the male idols that get hate are because of serious accusations which not all of them are real, but all of them get canceled even if they are proven innocent.
@shreyapai4609
2 жыл бұрын
I swear they don't deserve this much hate🥺💜
@GiselleOutsold
2 жыл бұрын
*jimin desrved he is acting like a brat*
@TanjiroKamado-yx2fz
2 жыл бұрын
@@GiselleOutsold✨ shut up✨ sussy bAkA🎃
@jhayryan2092
2 жыл бұрын
@@GiselleOutsold yeah shut up your mouth
@0303b
2 жыл бұрын
@@GiselleOutsold You again😑😑😑
@iqra8937
2 жыл бұрын
@@TanjiroKamado-yx2fz KONNICHIWA BAKA
@ratsarehot0
2 жыл бұрын
i feel so bad for woojin and lucas :( the fact st@ys made cubs kill themselfs bc they liked woojin i litterally hate st@ys so much
@jo6997
2 жыл бұрын
I never see people discuss how precarious Lucas's situation really is.. Lucas said saesangs are paying staff to get access to the members. Which is part of the reason he was targeted by them in the first place. People are always wondering how saesangs are getting the members' numbers and showing up wherever the members are. Obsessed fans are literally being aided by their managerial staff to stalk them. Why Lucas may have not been having relationships with fans. I bet SM/Label V staff are. People thinking the hiatus is so long and extreme because the allegations may be true don't understand the gravity of what really happened. Lucas basically blew the whistle on his own company that's why he's been silenced. That with the political climate as he is from HK which has tensions with the Chinese government as well as works in SK which has it's own tensions with China made the whole situation even more high stakes. So Lucas's situation has a lot of implications for all the parties involved. Which is why he's literally vanished. It's way bigger than your average "scandal". I hope he has somebody he can trust wherever he is.
@kathleenstocker8617
2 жыл бұрын
That makes complete sense. I didn't know Lucas said that, but if he did he didn't reveal anything new. There are many stories of these idol managers (not only in SM) using their position and the fame of the idol for their own benefit.. I still wonder where was his manager??
@iamamess2333
2 жыл бұрын
Hi! Can you tell me when/ where did he say they've paid Sasaeng staff. I mean we all know WayV have Sasaeng staff bcz they leaked their info even before the scandal but I can't remember him calling out their staff. If what you said was true , it makes sense considering the way he disappeared after hiatus.
@bora9397
2 жыл бұрын
I see Woojin I click and can say that he is not a bully
@Goosyloosy
2 жыл бұрын
If you watch his videos you can see how well wj gets on with 10x staff. Bad behavior is habitual and repetitive. You can't hide it forever because it will rear its ugly head. WJ has been with 10x 16 months now and you can see they always have great fun together. The staff at 10x really love wj alot.
@nix_revenge93
2 жыл бұрын
I hope that karma comes to the people who falsely accused Woojin. The whole situation really stained Woojin’s career (badly). People believed the rumours even though there was no hardcore proof, the only “proof” that was there easily got debunked in the finger killer documentary. Yet, people still hate on him for dealing with the situation badly even though it has been PROVEN it was a mistranslation.
@TrinhNguyen-sh4fj
2 жыл бұрын
I do too but sadly karma does not seem to work at all. I used to really believe in karma but not much anymore.
@Muniii10
2 жыл бұрын
@@TrinhNguyen-sh4fj I think 10x entertainment going to take legal action against that girl.
@mtx.tristan
2 жыл бұрын
the thing is that literally lucas and woojin didnt deserve any of it and still dont deserve it
@oliverspiler9101
2 жыл бұрын
So whenever a member leaves a group, their fandom doesn't just put the member's leaving under the carpet. Except... For Woojin. Stays dont wanna talk about him or the reason why he left
@Goosyloosy
2 жыл бұрын
Stays should talk about what they did to wj behind his back. They should talk about the petition they created to have him removed from the group because he did not fit their beauty standards, how they called him fat and ugly for years, how they sent letters to jype complaining about wj being fat which resulted in him being put on a corn only diet, how they would push wj out the way at airports because they didn't like him, how they sabotaged him on his birthday and refused to sing happy birthday to him. That they won't speak of huh?
@TrinhNguyen-sh4fj
2 жыл бұрын
That is true and can you believe some fans even asked how to get rid of him on the posters and other group photos with him in it? I find that so sad… they claimed it was because they started liking the group after he left. Really??
@Can_think_of_a_name
2 жыл бұрын
They don't want to talk about him because they're the ones that ruined his career/reputation. They're also the ones that hated him whilst he was still in the group, believed the rumours without any proof (some even believe it still after it's been proven false) and they're the ones that still hate him. They don't talk about him because it shows their toxicity, they truly are one of the worst fandoms.
@alistamizhia2198
2 жыл бұрын
Yea I remember stays were the first one putting woojin on a blast and adding up countless allegations on him, essentially fueling the fire and rumour mongering cause they didn’t want him to affect their OPPARS reputation! kinda sad how his EX fandom turned on him so fast, disgusting, I hope cubs treat him better
@talarv9026
2 жыл бұрын
yeah it's really sad. I'm saying this as a Stay, if the current members were accused of something similar, I'm pretty sure those who hated Woojin at that time would be the ones defending the accused member right now. Btw, I'm in the Cub fandom and I'm seriously really happy. The fandom is full of nice people and all of us treat him well don't worry.
@talarv9026
2 жыл бұрын
@Siddhi Kadam Heyoo! Nice to meet you too! Were you a fan of him, I mean did you know him when he was in the group or you just became a fan when he debuted as a soloist? Just curious 😊
@TheUnstoppableChef
2 жыл бұрын
Woojin is well loved by Cubs, and he loves Cubs. He looks happy! 10x treats him well.
@ssarahprae
2 жыл бұрын
Missing Huang Xuxi so much Justice for Lucas
@jaywasthieved
2 жыл бұрын
Woojin is the main reason why I will never call myself a STAY. Y'all are actually VISCIOUS.
@Goosyloosy
2 жыл бұрын
The reason why I would never become a stay is because toxic stay are the definition of fake love. One minute they trend #thankyouwoojin upon his announcement he was leaving, and then the moment fake victim Thais and fake jype staff Rafa posted their bullshit they threw him to the sharks and leaked his private information, sent death threats, spread his nudes all over the world without even bothering to investigate. While we in 72 hours established the bars were infact closed due to pandemic, at the time period hinted to in allegations. They can take that fake love and shove it where the sun don't shine!
@cerulean_dreams0
2 жыл бұрын
Preach
@Muniii10
2 жыл бұрын
The reason I left Stray kids fandom is their fan. I could never be a stay ever.
@maryammadihah7712
2 жыл бұрын
PREACH
@isabellebrown2215
2 жыл бұрын
Imagine hating on woojin now LMFAOOO the people who started the rumour can cry about it to a wall, woojin is stronger and better than ever
@mossarefh8257
2 жыл бұрын
Jimin's shirt was picked by stylists. She herself admitted it and apologized
@alyshakhan30.11
2 жыл бұрын
NCT OT23 ALWAYS 💚💚 #BRINGLUCASBACK
@strawberryruiyang1792
2 жыл бұрын
No matter what happens cubs are always with woojin 🐻. When people said that when they first saw him they just get bad feelings from him but when I saw him I don't know he is looking low-key sweet and soft that time some stays tell me he is a bully but I never believed I don't know anything about stray kids that time but I seen a lot of people mocking his appearance in comment section. When cubs asked him about the situation he said past 3 months he can't even sleep properly he said he wished to commit sui..cide but he is afraid of it so he didn't done it I'm so happy atlast he has his cubs now he seems so much happy
@Christine-101-s2b
2 жыл бұрын
I feel hella bad for jimin I swear he will get hate just for breathing
@btsarmyengenecaratmoa
2 жыл бұрын
I just realized why I left certain fandoms but still listen to some group songs still e.g. It's because of the fandom toxicity some ncztens was literally forcing Lucas to leave even after he was proved innocent. Stays well boii that's one of the most toxic fandoms ever you may not see it but once you reach at the bottom of the fandom you will see many things that will make you want to leave many people only see the surface of the fandom Stray Kids also I don't stan them anymore either for reasons. Anyways I'm happy that Woojin is doing well and is healthy. I'm still a little sad that Lucas isn't back as yet but once he's healthy and happy so am I.
@snackiechan2
2 жыл бұрын
I think Mr. Woojin is not a bully, he is being manipulated
@susmagurung6856
2 жыл бұрын
Seriously i mean how can 1 person bullied 8 person who's already good in self defense.
@a5m7a32
2 жыл бұрын
Stream Ready Now
@seungminkim9707
2 жыл бұрын
Seriously guys stop hating on kpop idols #respectkpopidols get a life people 💜
@kristinemarienolasco8728
2 жыл бұрын
Yes true
@yatogami725
2 жыл бұрын
i feel really bad for lucas, the allegations were debunked but his image is ruined, it'll take long before he gets his reputation back
@lailai6265
2 жыл бұрын
Woojin is a warm person and as a cub, I can say he deserves all the love he's getting from his fandom. But honestly, It's really frustrating when people use those false statements to just throw hate on him, like omg just leave him alone. If you don't like someone it's fine, just mind your own business 🕴️🕴️🕴️
@GiselleOutsold
2 жыл бұрын
*bangchan is more talented*
@t_lxpathy3062
2 жыл бұрын
@@dacom1179 👑👑👑
@alexandra_meta5386
2 жыл бұрын
@@GiselleOutsold Did we ask?🤨
@Goosyloosy
2 жыл бұрын
@@GiselleOutsold Tzuyuoutsold You still talking bullshit huh? I feel sorry for the person who has to kiss that vile mouth of yours. Oh wait, let Chan kiss it.
@ittosjuicytits3294
2 жыл бұрын
@@GiselleOutsold no one cares
@StarRose108
2 жыл бұрын
Jimin: man I sure am glad we don't live in a totalitarian regime after being colonized by another country Japan: how fucking dare you
@leaf3273
2 жыл бұрын
Woojin getting hate was the most stupid thing in kpop. Like i extremely love skz(im a stay) but then i also respect woojin. Leaving the group was his decision and people should respect it not blame him. And guess what. People made chan(leader) apologize for Woojin Leaving the group,cuz chan promised to take care of the group and stay 9 together. I dunno if u ever noticed but it's not only Woojin, the amount of hate skz gets is really too much too( and as much i know stays won't hate their own idols, so saying it was only stays hated woojin is wrong). So in short whether it's 9 of them or 8 of them they are still getting hatred, which they don't deserve. Nobody should be hated. Respect Woojin and skz both.
@aaronpark2396
2 жыл бұрын
Jimin king of kpop
@duqial
2 жыл бұрын
When I have seen so many people believing in the accusations against Lucas without any research or second thought about it I just knew they were no real Nctzens, but also felt so bad for Lucas, he is such an innocent soul, and the way people didn't even go with 'innocent until proven otherwise' was so heartbreaking. Haven't we learnt from Johnny Depp's case enough?
@Danna-ek5hq
2 жыл бұрын
Johnny Depp's case is the result of the mindset "believe the victim first" his career was almost shattered. No matter what case it is don't always believe the victim first or the accused, just stay neutral in every kind of case
@Goosyloosy
2 жыл бұрын
And in the mean time those sasaengs are posting on weibo how they know of Lucas whereabouts. Why would you still be stalking a man who you claim violated you? Its shocking how daft people are!
@priyadazzle
2 жыл бұрын
@@Goosyloosy they are obsessed with him clearly shows they are sasaengs anyways where is lucas in korea or china
@TrinhNguyen-sh4fj
2 жыл бұрын
Sadly there are many who are anti male and always believe the women when they accuse the men of anything. I argued with some sick women like that who claimed to be married to men too. Haters just got to hate even if proof was in front of their faces.
@JoshuaAlto
2 жыл бұрын
I feel like for me as a STAY, I feel bad for Woojin so much... He's a good person & he deserved so much better. I never took him for granted, ever...
@mrsjjk-qo8gm
2 жыл бұрын
No one did anything wrong. Fans are just too sensitive about every fucking thing 🙄
@aandreiia6554
2 жыл бұрын
I suddenly remember when Lucas made bracelets during Mtopia😭 His smile was literally innocent when he lend it to other Super M members one by one....why is this happening to him 😭 he doesn't deserve this
@Johannnnnnnnnnnnn
2 жыл бұрын
The most hated Male idol might be Seungri or Kris I think 🤔
@Neha_the_great_sharma
2 жыл бұрын
They deserve it.
@Johannnnnnnnnnnnn
2 жыл бұрын
@@Neha_the_great_sharma as much I miss 0t12 I won't defend kris at all
@Johannnnnnnnnnnnn
2 жыл бұрын
@@dacom1179 well I heard that he is been sentenced for 3 years because of prostitution case ? I heard People still does hate them That scandal is still not clarified enough I think they don't had any valid reasons against him well if he is innocent I have no problem I'll edit the comment don't consider that as a hate But his Hyungs always have been mentioning about seungri' behavior and his freinds
@uribabydontstopchorom3257
2 жыл бұрын
@@Neha_the_great_sharma they certainly do
@strawberryruiyang1792
2 жыл бұрын
Senugri is innocent even the victims tell senugri doesn't done anything to them.
@nadiavasquez1574
2 жыл бұрын
NCT OT23 ALWAYS 💚💚
@Christine-101-s2b
2 жыл бұрын
I miss and love Lucas
@leaf3273
2 жыл бұрын
Just wanna quote a line from a song by 3racha, sung by chan" haters gonna hate cuz they live low"
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