Hi guys, so as a few of you know I had to reupload this from Friday after there was a slight syncing issue. Those of you that are here again A) thank you for a second click! I know you may have already seen it but I would really appreciate a full second watch, as I'm expecting this to be a little hobbled in the algorithm now. This video could use all the help it can get! B) enjoy the new added section on Harry Osborn and the Phantom Goblin! :)
@CJ-ln5ov
Жыл бұрын
You’re welcome! I intended to watch it on Friday, but when it was taken down, I thought I was crazy because from my perspective, it was just erased from existence.
@HarryPeppy
Жыл бұрын
comment for algo
@spideyscorner
Жыл бұрын
I love the fact that out of every villain toms spiderman has faced between vulture and Thanos, the goblin was the one to push him to his limits
@ellisr.kinnear164
Жыл бұрын
The decision to make Norman Osborne the guy who ruined two separate Spider-Men's lives was genuis. The decision ot make it the DaFoe Goblin? Utterly genius
@FullFatVideos
Жыл бұрын
Let’s make it a hat trick !
@markgundle4150
Жыл бұрын
Well yeah. For my money, I wholeheartedly approve that they didn't even try to find a MCU Green Goblin when - between the multiverse opening up, the nostalgia wave hitting its peak, and Willem being available - the perfect template was right there.
@thegreatacolyt1277
Жыл бұрын
@@markgundle4150thanos is better
@thegreatacolyt1277
Жыл бұрын
He didn't ruin tobeys life
@thegreatacolyt1277
Жыл бұрын
@@FullFatVideosthanos is best
@filipvadas7602
Жыл бұрын
1. Even though Venom is Peter's most popular foil/rival , a lot of people forget that the Green Goblin was and always will be Peter's greatest *enemy* . He is his opposite in every way, someone who respects but also hates what Spiderman represents, something he could never be, because he no longer wants to. 2. One of my favorite scenes in No Way Home was when Tom Holland's Peter's spider sense started going off in the apartment, revealing that he had sensed the Goblin take over Norman. Mind you, Tom Holland's Peter had only a brief interaction with the Goblin and both Sandman and Electro , who are more powerfull, were in the same room. And yet, his spider sense registered the Goblin as such a *massive threat* that it all but forced him to acknowledge him. 3. William Dafoe was and still is absolute perfect casting. He and Alfred Molina jumped right back into their roles like they never even left.
@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868
Жыл бұрын
Nah GG is definitely more popular and beloved. People know venom, but they don't think he's peter's greatest foil or enemy. However, on that note, I definitely think that there's more of an argument for Doc Ock being peter's greatest enemy considering he... yknow... killed him.
@ClinicalDecisionYikesYT
Жыл бұрын
NWH sucks.
@henrygambles3652
Жыл бұрын
@@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868I guess but I’ve always considered the Goblin to be his arch enemy because of what he has done to Peter, I mean killing Gwen Stacy,being the first villain to figure out his identity, what he’s done to MJ and Aunt May, Otto isn’t a saint but any means but Doctor Octopus is methodical not needlessly cruel, the Goblin on the other hand is, he wants to break Spider-Man and corrupt him!
@tentonmotto6779
Жыл бұрын
@@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868 Stan Lee himself said that Doc Ock is Spider-Man's greatest enemy, but the Green Goblin is Peter Parker's greatest enemy. If you think about it, that's precisely the case. Otto never cared about Peter personally, he just wanted his idea of Doc Ock to triumph over the idea of Spider-Man. Osborn is the opposite, he does not really care what Spider-Man represents, he just wants to ruin the person who stood up to him. Otto challenged Spider-Man to the brink of his external capacity and Norman challenged Peter's morality to its limit.
@henrygambles3652
Жыл бұрын
@@tentonmotto6779Well also that and Doc Ock has limits, he’s not needlessly evil whilst The Green Goblin is and has done far more damage to Spider-Man than Ock will ever do, Goblin was the first villain to figure out who Spider-Man was, has threatened people just to hurt Peter, tortured Peter emotionally and physically and that’s not even mentioning the people close to Peter who the Goblin killed all because it hurts him! The Green Goblin is to Spider-Man what the Joker is to Batman!
@XxHUNT3RN4T0RxX
Жыл бұрын
Thanos being Marvel’s Darkseid and Green Goblin being Marvel’s Joker is actually the perfect description of both of these characters.
@tharetsku
Жыл бұрын
Welp, I disagree. They kind of fill the same slot in a sense, but at the same time they are as different as they are alike.
@bennett4789
Жыл бұрын
green goblin was always just the secret lovechild of the joker and lex luthor. kinda like how spider-man is just a young superman who swings around with gadgets like batman 😂
@ДимчоДимов-ж7е
Жыл бұрын
Darkseid is not a simp.
@obi_dean
Жыл бұрын
well, without darkseid, you have nothing to base your character on.
@sizar9003
Жыл бұрын
I think Carnage is more like Marvel’s Joker, or if you’re ultimate nerd you can say it’s Madcap
@yujiro121
Жыл бұрын
William defoe is most definitely one of the best actors to play a villain ever. I can't think of many performances that compare or are outright better.
@dead.inside.585
Жыл бұрын
Michael Fassbender as Magneto is also my favorite
@yujiro121
Жыл бұрын
@@dead.inside.585 He's pretty good too I almost forgot about him
@wyattlundrigan4740
Жыл бұрын
I’d say heath ledgers joker is comparable for sure.
@yujiro121
Жыл бұрын
He was a good joker but unfortunately due to his passing I can't say his overall performance compares
@Danton1990
Жыл бұрын
Thanos is the hero of his story. He feels he is in the right in what he is doing. Green Goblin has no right; he has no inner sense of morality that he is opining to. He only loves power. Masterful video!
@FullFatVideos
Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@AntsTheaterCorner2698
4 ай бұрын
He is Spidey's version of the devil. The ultimate evil personified.
@AgtShadowWalker
Жыл бұрын
I personally would love to see the Hobgoblin introduced into the MCU. Although people don't fully remember what happened during the events of No Way Home, there are still news recordings and footage of certain events. Perhaps someone gets inspired by the Green Goblin, and starts to emulate what they've seen. It's not a perfect replication, but it's enough. And of course, we never actually find out who it is under the mask.
@henrygambles3652
Жыл бұрын
NGL I was thinking the same thing, My idea is that Spider-Man starts interfering in the affairs of a crime boss named Roderick Kingsley, Kingsley having already collected Osborn’s tech and watching the final battle of NWH(maybe from a camera from Peter’s suit!),decides to become the Hobgoblin, using the Green Goblin’s tech and iconography as a fear tactic just as much as a tool,however Kingsley isn’t insane, he’s just calculated,sadistic and ruthless, maybe he even goes a step further and collects the villains Peter has fought in the MCU(besides Vulture) and forms the Sinister Six
@thedraconianviking1185
Жыл бұрын
I like the idea of a “Goblin Cult” similar to the gang inspired by Jerome in Gotham after his initial appearance. Not one Goblin, but several all committing acts of terror and violence all because they can.
@VisForVindetta
Жыл бұрын
My thought was Goblin destroyed an unnamed military facility in the MCU after he got teleported there (likely looking for Oscorp) and in concept art it's revealed through Normans hoodie it was a HAMMER facility. I think it would be cool to have Armor Wars start with the Goblin attack as the catalyst for the show, starting the arms race to create the Thunderbolts as the sort of Dark Avengers once they see how horribly they were outmatched. Just have a scene or two of Goblin blowing up some hangars, maybe raiding a lab or two. I think it would start off the show really well.
@AxisChurchDevotee
Жыл бұрын
In the comics Ned is hobgoblin and Ned said he wouldn't become a supervillain and try to kill Peter sooooo
@AgtShadowWalker
Жыл бұрын
@@AxisChurchDevotee True, but I think that was retconned at some point to actually be another character. Also, it was kinda stupid and nobody really liked it. (That I know of)
@ThePonderer
Жыл бұрын
EY WE BACK. I love the way No Way Home makes Dafoe’s Goblin just as effective a nemesis for Tom’s Peter as he was for Tobey’s, and expands on his Might Makes Right, “morality is for losers” philosophy which I thought went underserved in the first Raimi film.
@samuelbahij4878
Жыл бұрын
*SPOILER for No Way Home* The Goblin v Spider-Man fight in the hotel in No Way Home is one of the best fight/action scenes in the MCU. The tension began building before the fighting even started because Peter sensed a malevolent presence in the room but took a minute to realize it was the Goblin. Then it quickly got out of hand with Aunt May right there so she's in danger raising the stakes, and we saw Holland's Spidey fight Goblin with a desperate ferocity that we'd never seen from him before, yet *still* he was decisively beaten. The fight choreography, fx, and stunt-work were all strong here, you felt the impacts of their punches (which is more than can be said for a lot of superhero fights) especially when Spidey jumps onto Goblin starts rapidly punching him in the face over and over, and when Goblin laughs maniacally in response Spidey freezes for a moment in fear of just realizing how much stronger his foe is. And Aunt May was killed in the end which tops it all off with an emotional gut punch.
@darkevilazn
Жыл бұрын
I agree. It was more than just a fight of power levels and all that stuff. It was a philosophical fight, where the stakes were not physical, but purely emotional and spiritual.
@mckinniesmovies3598
11 ай бұрын
It wasn’t a hotel at was a condo
@God-Level-Threat
Жыл бұрын
I prefer Goblin alot more then Thanos. My biggest problem with Endgame is they kill the Thanos that did all the things on Infinity War that hurt the characters. The new Thanos doesnt have a real connection to the characters.
@bluesbest1
Жыл бұрын
"You took everything from me." "I don't even know who you are." This exchange encapsulates it perfectly. This Thanos, Gamora, Nebula, and the other four lacked the fairly rich history with the Avengers and Guardians that the original ones did and it honestly feels kinda flat. Like, the characters aren't just cardboard cutouts to be interchanged at will.
@RickReasonnz
Жыл бұрын
Endgame was a big step back from Infinity War.
@juannaym8488
Жыл бұрын
He was also dressed dumb
@hazman5528
Жыл бұрын
@@RickReasonnzno it fucking wasn’t. Endgame is close in quality even if infinity war is slightly better
@RickReasonnz
Жыл бұрын
@@hazman5528 It snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.
@SmartypantsTutoring
Жыл бұрын
I wouldn’t mind seeing Dafoe again as Goblin, but not specifically in the MCU I think. He was the best thing about No Way Home. He never phones it in and while I think in some ways bringing him back makes it even harder to ever have someone else in the role, I can’t blame them for bringing him back.
@scarigamez
Жыл бұрын
The first Sam Raimi's Spider-Man came out three months before I was born, so I essentially grew up with this movie. Willem Dafoe's Green Goblin was my childhood villain, and I grew to love him as a character despite not knowing exactly why. That was, until he showed up in No Way Home. The moment Tom Holland's Spider sense went off, I was more anxious than I was watching the previous two Home movies. Then the Goblin spoke, and I realized why I loved this character so much. He upped the danger in this Peter's story so much more in that movie than Vulture or Mysterio ever could, simply by being there. Because I knew what he could do to this Peter if things didn't go well, and oh boy yeah it went horribly. This version of the Goblin is the boogeyman, a relentless demon that laughs at your tragedy as it chokes you out.
@coasternamegenerator5611
Жыл бұрын
Here’s something I want to add to this video. Mysterio has an entire army of drones that makes him a bigger threat than goblin, and yet it’s completely arguably that goblin did worse to Peter. Even with the exposure of Peter’s identity, there was more focus on May’s death than Mysterio in No Way Home.
@AntsTheaterCorner2698
Жыл бұрын
That's because Mysterio is just a guy with Iron Man issues. The villain from the original actually had more depth than him. In fact, he's an exact copy of him.
@trevinodude
11 ай бұрын
In a way NWH turned Mysterio into the opening act… the first step into the chapter of pain and sacrifice that the Goblin would bring into Holland Peter’s story. Just as Dafoe’s Goblin would force Maguire’s Peter to grow up and understand the sacrifice involved in heroism, he would stoke the same fires in the MCU and similarly force Holland’s Peter to grow up as well. Mysterio just opened the door for the suffering to start… Goblin entered that door and burned everything down. What Goblin didn’t account for… is the Spider-Man’s ability to rise up like a Phoenix in the flames… that his first archenemy would save his new archenemy by making sure the younger Spidey didn’t fall to the dark side by killing Goblin. In a way, Tobey’s Spider-Man and Tom’s has a bond that not even Andrew Garfield’s Spider-Man has (yet, hopefully) as they are the two who had to face the chaotic flames of Dafoe Goblin’s fury… so it was fitting that it was Tobey who prevented Tom’s fall.
@coolgreenbug7551
Жыл бұрын
This movie understood that the best thing about the old Goblin mask was when no one was wearing it. In the first movie its best use is Norman pleading to it hung on the chair, the second movie when Harry discovers the Goblin cave the camera pans over to the mask, and in the third we se it as an introduction to Harry's goblin. Then in this movie they don't do a "what would you prefer, yellow spandex?" but have the mask be as menacing as it always has been while also giving a good reason why they changed it as apposed to Electro who's just different.
@trevinodude
11 ай бұрын
I love how the Goblin mask was destroyed in NWH as Norman tries and fails to remove himself from the Goblin, in a way foreshadowing the fate that Tom and Tobey’s Peter Parkers had in store for him… a world without his dark side taking control. But we know Norman Osborn wasn’t a good man even before his Goblin days… so will Goblin return again? Hopefully if Dafoe can be convinced it would honor the character so far.
@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868
Жыл бұрын
If they ever do an adaptation of Jason Aaron's Avengers arc with the Council of Red vs the multiversal avengers, I'd love to have him play ghost goblin in the Multiversal Masters of Evil
@Jdne199311
Жыл бұрын
William was firing on all pistons in both films, a rare thing for an Actor.
@melan8ed197
Жыл бұрын
The best MCU villain not even being from the MCU says a lot about their villains
@AntsTheaterCorner2698
3 ай бұрын
He is the original MCU villain. Lol. He's purely just evil and terrifying to watch. So good IMO.
@Crimson28
Жыл бұрын
“Strong enough to have it all. TOO WEAK TO TAKE IT!!!” 🎃 Willem Dafoe doesn’t need to be cast as The Joker. He was an amazing Green Goblin. Both fights between Tobey’s and Tom’s Spider-Man were the most brutal of all the Spidey franchise. As much as he was great in the Raimi trilogy, he took it to another level in No Way Home. The hallway fight was more suspenseful and scary than any horror movie I’ve seen in years. Green Goblin is Spider-Man’s worst enemy because not only can he fight toe to toe with him, but he’ll make it personal by attacking his loved ones. The hallway fight in No Way Home was intense. Dafoe is terrifying as Goblin. When Peter kept punching his face and he kept smiling & laughing was crazy! It reminded me of when Batman was beating Joker in the interrogation room 🃏 🎃 You’re absolutely right. If Thanos is Darkseid of the MCU, Green Goblin is definitely the Joker (along with Bullseye).
@goobaction
Жыл бұрын
Video so nice you gotta upload it twice
@FullFatVideos
Жыл бұрын
There was an issue with the Friday drop, so I reuploaded it! This has an new segment in it though so it’s not exactly the same ;)
@budboom7087
Жыл бұрын
Great video!
@FullFatVideos
Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@SilverScarletSpider
Жыл бұрын
i like the New Goblin Harry Osborne
@goddessofanguish
Жыл бұрын
Your last few videos have really hit it out of the park in so many different ways. Even if I didn’t agree this video was so well put together!
@FullFatVideos
Жыл бұрын
That’s really great to hear! I wanna make an effort to get the ball rolling again! Views have been so erratic this year
@The_Undertow
Жыл бұрын
Loved the video! But what is that song that plays in the background? It added so much to the atmosphere of the video essay
@dishierbongo2757
11 ай бұрын
Willem Dafoe is the Green Goblin. No-one could ever top him. It's like Robin Williams as the Genie from Aladdin, no-one can top that
@FantasticFourJohnnyStorm
9 ай бұрын
Green goblin is literally one of the best live actions baddies he's at first place for me while ledgars joke is at second
@just8or494
Жыл бұрын
He seeks to bring out the worst in people. Top tier villain
@omidthebigbearsalari
Жыл бұрын
Great video. Back to basics. I love it. Thanks FFV
@FullFatVideos
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the visit!
@barneseffect
11 ай бұрын
I'd love to see Raimi's Goblin face off against Andrew's Spider-Man. I imagine Goblin doing everything he can to kill this Peter's new-found MJ, forcing Peter to fear his greatest failure repeating. Now that would be something.
@henrygambles3652
Жыл бұрын
Great Video, I agree with what you mean about him being a multiversal Goblin and that they shouldn’t do an MCU Green Goblin however I think they should have it revealed that some of Goblin’s tech left behind in the MCU has been carted off by a crime boss named Roderick Kingsley, so that he can become the Hobgoblin(like with Vulture, he lacks superhuman powers but makes it up for it with his mind and the technology he has access to) being motivated by Spider-Man interfering with his criminal activities, allowing Norman’s legacy to live on, with his evil being transferred almost like a virus wanting to reach out and infect as many as it can, with Kingsley learning of NWH’s final battle and using Peter’s greatest fear against him, perhaps Kingsley even forms a proper Sinister Six consisting of Scorpion,Mysterio(whose death is retconned to be a illusion),Shocker,Tinkerer,Kingsley himself and Venom(they left that Symbiote there for a reason)
@Da_caffeinated_insomniac
Жыл бұрын
Imagine he shows up again in secret wars and causes Peter (maybe with the black suit at this point) to lose it and full on rampage while gobby’s cackling knowing he’s broken him
@Jakeyisdead
Жыл бұрын
I watch this already but I'm here to give you the view you asked for in the last vid always happy to support this channel. Some of the best content on this platform!
@FullFatVideos
Жыл бұрын
I appreciate that, thank you
@Jakeyisdead
Жыл бұрын
The new bits were worth it anyway
@ender_z4nd3r83
11 ай бұрын
Green Goblin has basically made MCU's spider-man an interesting character
@moonknight4053
Жыл бұрын
Green goblin, thanos, doc ock, ego, red skull, Alexander pierce, zemo are the only good villains I know from the mcu lol. No one says red skull, but man he’s so good!!
@FullFatVideos
Жыл бұрын
What about Loki and Kingpin?
@johnbeal6114
Жыл бұрын
I have to agree because William Dafoe give us the best performance as the Green goblin since the first Spider-Man movie best version of Green goblin almost broke Tom Holland Spider-Man to the point that he tried to kill the Green goblin and have been for Tobey Maguire Spider-Man stopping him
@FullFatVideos
Жыл бұрын
It’s awesome that you can now say he’s just as much Tom’s Goblin as Tobey’s
@johnbeal6114
Жыл бұрын
@@FullFatVideos I feel like we own the foes Green goblin has done way more damage to Tom Holland Spider-Man that he did Tobey Maguire Spider-Man yes in the 2002 movie The Green goblin Did made it personal because Spider-Man refuse to team up with him to take over the city but Tobey Spider-Man refuse his offer and shows to fight for the city has stopped the goblin but the Green goblin made it personal in no way home the green goblin straight up broke Tom Holland Spider-Man physically and mentally to the point Tom Holland Spider-Man refuse to save the Green goblin but take him out because he killed aunt may
@johnbeal6114
Жыл бұрын
@SmashBrosInitiative that's true because William Dafoe he didn't really need a mask his facial expressions was better he acts like the Green goblin without the mask hell he looks like the Green goblin in the comic books without the mask are you got to do is paint his face green made his ears bigger he already have the purple hoodie and the movie he was good
@jimbeam2299
Жыл бұрын
@SmashBrosInitiativehow would he hide his identity in Spiderman 1 without a mask lmao
@jimbeam2299
Жыл бұрын
@@FullFatVideosdude I love your videos and I've been a huge fan for awhile but this is just not true Holland and goblin's was not organic and very forced. The dynamics weren't nearly as deep or as complex as they were with Tobey's Peter
@gusparkwood4890
Жыл бұрын
You might even say He’s DA FOE.😂😅
@paniniboy
Жыл бұрын
Hi matt hope you are well. Congrats on the performance of MCU and Starkiller!
@AustynSN
Жыл бұрын
With Green Goblin/Norman Osborne, Defoe is one of the greatest "alter ego" character actors ever. The only two people on his level are Christopher Reeve (Clark Kent/Superman) and James McAvoy (Kevin Wendell Crumb).
@sizar9003
Жыл бұрын
As much as I love DeFoe’s portrayal of Goblin, I would like to see a new actor. Whole new look, whole new behaviour, whole new costume
@DarkLord-hl1fi
Жыл бұрын
There’s no point in having another Green Goblin Willem Already left a big mark on MCU Spider-Man
@Jiub_SN
11 ай бұрын
Anything new would be overshadowed by dafoe in this universe. I think they should just go for a hobgoblin at that point. It'd also add some mystery into the mcu if done right
@lowlowseesee
Жыл бұрын
i mean his name is willem, the FOE lol. he was made to terrorize with that handsome yet sharp mug
@anotherjon6997
Жыл бұрын
My idea for if they have Dafoe return as Goblin would be for a black suit story. In this case, Dafoe would be playing the MCU Norman as someone who hasn't been corrupted yet or maybe even a good future version of what Raimi Norman could have been, while the Goblin Norman would act as the devil on Peter's shoulder through influence of the venom; constantly reminding him of his failure to save May and taunting him towards taking preemptive action against the MCU Norman.
@Venbirra7541
Жыл бұрын
I want my Goblin Trilogy
@jkyle1018
Жыл бұрын
No Way Home solidified Dafoe as an international treasure.
@puberty420
Жыл бұрын
Andrew Garfield's adult Peter Parker facing off with Willem Dafoe's Goblin would be an insanely good fight
@FullFatVideos
Жыл бұрын
I’d love to see them both fight over Harry
@henrygambles3652
Жыл бұрын
@@FullFatVideosI’d be up to see that! Maybe Osborn leads an actual Sinister Six(I mean they had all that tech there and I don’t see why there can’t be other Doc Ocks,Vultures,Scorpions,Mysterios and Kravens) this time against Andrew’s Peter!
@jdgjordan
11 ай бұрын
He didn't just take aunt away from him. Remember he was the one who blew up the box forcing parker to erase his whole life. He took literally his whole life and history away from him sure he didn't kill his gf but he made it to where he will never be with her. No goblin after this can even come close to destroying as much as this one has.
@harryfleutv666
Жыл бұрын
My personal favourite MCU villain is The High Evolutionary
@ryanmalay1849
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for adding a solid 18 mins to my day sir
@FullFatVideos
Жыл бұрын
My pleasure!
@AlexArtsHere
Жыл бұрын
I think there is potential to have Dafoe’s Goblin as a recurring villain, but I don’t want Peter’s victory in NWH to be undone, nor it be portrayed as the wrong choice. Maybe, during his time offscreen in NWH, Norman Zola’d himself and created a copy of his consciousness in anticipation of his defeat?
@鄧焯文
4 ай бұрын
I want Peter victory to be undone so that he learnt about the absolute point
@jonathandoering6499
Жыл бұрын
Fantastic video as always.
@FullFatVideos
Жыл бұрын
Thanks again!
@ItsOfficiaI
11 ай бұрын
If they bring him back we deserve the old costume. It was awesome and haters are blind.
@thephoenixsystem6765
Жыл бұрын
I swear your videos excite me more than the subject matter itself lol, I'd love to put you in charge of the MCU, give you an infinite budget, and watch as you set the world on fire.
@dominiqueodom3099
Жыл бұрын
Willem Dafoe's Green Goblin is on the rare plateau of Comic Book Casting that Helped Elevate the Genre next to actors Like Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen from The Xmen movies, and I actually think Willem Dafoe's Green Goblin is on an even RARER level where his Comic Book Adaptation not only was the Best Performance across any other potrayal but they actually told his most Iconic Comic Book Tale with him being killed by his own glider. I feel like the only thing we missed out on is Not being able to see Norman Osborne's greatest achievement in his Entire Run in Marvel History and its not Gwen Stacys Death....its him using the Clout from killing The Skrull Queen on Live Television to take over S.H.I.E.L.D and turning it into the Villanous and Militant H.A.M.M.E.R lead by his own Corporate/Militarized Avengers and his Secret Black Ops Team of villians the THUNDERBOLTS with him as the leader of it all in the Iron Patriot Armor culminating in the Siege of Asgard on Earth.
@sizar9003
Жыл бұрын
The idea of Green Goblin being main antagonist of Marvel is amazing. First we would have complex Thanos, and then we would have character who is fully completely utterly evil in the most terrifying way possible
@nateyourzek5249
11 ай бұрын
Hands down my favorite scene in the MCU is when Peter is punching Goblin in the face, and Goblins just smiles. That is absolutely bone chilling. We know how much damage Peter can do, even when holding back, and he can hardly damage goblin. So good.
@Archius9
Жыл бұрын
Damn Willem Dafoe goes hard
@FullFatVideos
Жыл бұрын
In every role!!!
@jerogomezrobledo
Жыл бұрын
You say that Green Goblin is "the Joker" to Spider-Man and the Marvel Universe, to keep the character popular and relevant, we need new actors play the Green Goblin, just like we've seen 3 different actos play Spider-Man in the past 20 years.
@DarkLord-hl1fi
Жыл бұрын
No we don’t Willem is plenty
@markgundle4150
Жыл бұрын
The only - and I do mean ONLY - complaint I have about Willem's reappearance is that he didn't get a rematch with Tobey.
@Not_So_Slim_Shady
Жыл бұрын
I think he reached heights in NWH that far surpass his appearance in SM1. He's campy in SM1 but scary in NWH.
@FullFatVideos
Жыл бұрын
I think you couldn’t get the No Way Home characterisation without it though!
@Not_So_Slim_Shady
Жыл бұрын
@@FullFatVideos that's absolutely true
@michaeljosephjackson2364
9 ай бұрын
@@FullFatVideoshe seemed campy because of the mask he was wearing
@sealionstudios8597
Жыл бұрын
All hail the Goblin King 🤟
@Bestow3000
10 ай бұрын
What I love about Goblin is how he can do irreversible damage to both Peters. You mentioned Tobeys with him not telling Harry. Then there's Tom with Goblin destroying the cube and breaking the multiverse. Now nobody remembers him all because of That.
@鄧焯文
4 ай бұрын
Goblin pretending to be norman osborn tell Peter don't tell Harry so that Peter and Harry will fight to the dead
@toma5289
Жыл бұрын
if kingpin from the daredevil series counts then thats my pick but if not then yes i absolutely agree.
@P8nplays
Жыл бұрын
Your idea is a great one ngl
@FullFatVideos
Жыл бұрын
Thanks!!
@SpensaVenture
Жыл бұрын
Green Goblin really is up there with greatest movie villains !!
@tetsujin_144
Жыл бұрын
11:25 - "Upon breaking the Goblin mask to pieces it freed up the character to take on a more performance-driven look" Yup, he was wearing that dumb Power Rangers mask, but he was scarier without it on
@RockonSam
Жыл бұрын
I Have always said Green goblin is Spider-Man's greatest foe
@amerejester3295
Жыл бұрын
As usual, wonderful video. I would love to see Andrew Garfield bounce off of Willem Dafoe. Two fantastic actors who didn't get the chance to work together in No Way Home. Heck, Andrew didn't get to work with Molina's Octavius either. They need to meet again! Do you think that the Goblin should stab Kang in the back and take over as the new antagonist in either Avengers 5 or 6?
@thesparingdonkey30
Жыл бұрын
If not Doctor Doom, then hell yeah! If we're disregarding the events of NWH
@singletona082
Жыл бұрын
If the MCU got a goblin? I'd honestly want the Gold Goblin. It'd even be relatively easy. Peter Parker finding MCU's norman, and talking to him. 'I lost my aunt because of the man you could become if you let the monster win.' And in a way resuming thedynamic of broke kid and wealthy businessman with technology, but this time he is the mentor. The one trying t oget someone to do better.
@MRWALL.i6732
Жыл бұрын
Personally I don't think this Goblin needs to encounter Garfields's Spidey, I think the same type of animosity can work between him and TASM2 Goblin, it just needs to be more developed and of course, a change of outfit and while the idea sounds epic and terrifying, I just can't see the goblin be a threat on the same level of Thanos or Kang, he works better as a smaller yet personal threat, the type of villain that will get under the heroes skin, pushing them to their limits, physically, mentally and morally, just like the Joker, apart from that, I agree with everything else from this video! Good Job 👍
@trevinodude
11 ай бұрын
You know that you are one of the most iconic villains of all time when you are both the villain that kicked off and capped off 20 years of Spider-Man movie storytelling. It is fitting that Goblin was the villain that forced two Spider-Man versions to grow up past their childhood wonder and realize the true cost of heroism. Before Goblin, both Maguire and Holland Spider-Men know of the responsibility to do good, but they didn’t realize what a sacrifice it would become until Goblin baptized them by fire. Maguire’s Spider-Man became a man by overcoming Goblin’s philosophy by rejecting it and staying true to Uncle Ben’s teachings, while taking the lesson that it is the people he loves that will pay to heart. Meanwhile Holland’s Spider-Man had a much longer childhood phase, one believed to be ended by Mysterio at first… but Beck was just the opening act as Goblin would throw the same philosophy at Holland, killing May to fast track Holland’s Peter to the same realization that Maguire’s Peter had at the bridge fight… it is the people I love who will pay when I become the hero. The much more impressionable Holland Peter would have fallen to the dark side if not for his counterparts, but it is fitting that it was Maguire’s Peter that stopped him from killing Norman. Those two share a bond no one else does, not even Garfield currently, as the two Goblin forced upon a path… and it was thanks to one Spider-Man saving another, that Goblin lost again. Both Maguire and Holland would make the same choice after fighting Goblin… to walk away from the women they loved and do a final swing as a solo Spider-Man. A final swing into adulthood and sacrifice.
@why-oh-why
Жыл бұрын
It's funny how Green Goblin had me on the edge of my seat more than Thanos
@AntsTheaterCorner2698
4 ай бұрын
He's a stronger written character. Using the philosophy of the character is important This Lady death was nowhere to be found in Infinity War. The fact that we had an entire trilogy to build him up speaks volumes. No way home. Only did the character more Justice as he really is the ultimate embodiment of evil in the Spider-Man universe. He is Spider-Man's version of the devil, ultimate evil incarnate fighting for the side of good that he believes he's on. Easily the best MCU villain of all time in terms of writing, right up there with Killmonger for me.
@andreacalvillo353
Жыл бұрын
I want a mcu hobgoblin but I like rami green goblin as a multiversal threat
@alexandernicholl5772
Жыл бұрын
I love and hate these kind of videos because they introduce such interesting ideas then i onow Marvel will never do anything close to this, i would like a Harry Goblin later down the line though for tom since he already got his Norman
@arcqui4461
Жыл бұрын
The fact that the "best" MCU vilains is for something that is not from the MCU....is pretty concerning to me.
@aidanprice6178
Жыл бұрын
I definitely think he'll appear in secret wars. Maybe we finally get a rematch with him a tobey . Also I'd love to see him interact with magneto in secret wars
@FullFatVideos
Жыл бұрын
Magneto and the Goblin are the 2000s team up to beat
@鄧焯文
10 ай бұрын
Seeing Robert Downey Jr iron Man face Dafoe goblin will be better because goblin destroyed tom Spiderman life
@nevetstrevel4711
Жыл бұрын
Awesome idea!!
@FullFatVideos
Жыл бұрын
Thank you! Cheers!
@bevin1609
Жыл бұрын
Finally a video on this
@parkerpshebnisky1051
Жыл бұрын
The green goblin is one of the greatest villains of all time!
@harryfleutv666
Жыл бұрын
tbh The Green Goblin is the best Marvel villain as a whole
@AntsTheaterCorner2698
3 ай бұрын
2:38. He is the one true goblin. The Green Goblin. Dafoe is the Green Goblin. He's the villainous RDJ of the Spider-Man trilogy.
@JbLoco
Жыл бұрын
If Green Goblin (Norman Osborn) was the final villian in Spiderman 3 instead of the first movie it would of hit so much harder. “People wanna see heroes fail” especially after Spiderman 2 when Peter quit. Goblin would of been the coldest Big Screen Movie villian ever
@AntsTheaterCorner2698
Жыл бұрын
He is the closest, causing hell for two Spider-Men and becoming the literal embodiment of evil throughout the film. His body and face changes as he loses that power struggle between Norman and Goblin.
@tentonmotto6779
Жыл бұрын
It may be a hot take, but whatever: I never really liked the "Jekyll/Hyde" evil split personality approach to Green Goblin in Raimi's Spider-Man trilogy (and No Way Home). Sure, Willem Dafoe is amazing, Green Goblin is very entertaining, it is one of the best comic book villains on screen and all that, but it sabotages the deeper theme of that villain and turns him into a chaotic Joker clone. The main theme about Norman Osborn across Spider-media is that he is a dark Nietszchean. He is convinced he has a right to prey on the weak because he is strong and they are pathetic. So much so, that exploiting people as CEO is not enough, he wants to dominate them directly as Green Goblin (he is basically a rich serial killer like Patrick Bateman). That's why he works so well as archenemy to Peter Parker, because they have the opposite worldviews. One dominates the weak and consciously puts on a mask to dominate them even more, while the other one serves the weak in his daily work and consciously puts on a mask to serve them even more. We see traces of this in No Way Home and other media, but usually this idea gets butchered by making Osborn mentally ill (I don't blame Raimi for this, rather the 1970's comic books). It removes Osborn's agency and moral culpability. The responsibility is shifted from the actual complex human character to a mental illness. From now on, it doesn't matter what he believes or why he does what he does, it is just an unfortunate symptom of a mental illness. As a result, neither the writers, nor Spider-Man, need to confront Osborn's dark worldview or prove it wrong. They just need to hold their composure and beat a mentally ill guy. That's the entire point of No Way Home - Raimi's Spider-Man convinces MCU one that Norman is just mentally ill and needs help. It is such a waste of theme! Imagine if Red Skull was a mentally ill guy with a split personality: a good guy Johan and a Nazi Red Skull. Then the entire character and the theme of the conflict would be ruined hard. It would not not be about confronting Nazism and exposing it for the evil it is. Instead Nazism would be treated as an unfortunate result of a mental illness. The culmination would be again, you guessed it, about Captain America beating a mentally ill guy into a pulp. That is not to say that mentally ill can't be completely evil. For example, Joker works as a mentally ill pure evil villain because Batman himself is not really right in the head. It forms a good parallel. There is no such parallel between Norman Osborn and Peter because Peter is sane. My favorite comic book stories about Peter and Norman are those where Norman and Goblin are the same, where Norman is lucid, much like in the Spectacular Spider-Man animated series. In those stories it is about an actual philosophical battle between Norman and Peter. One acts like a masked predator, dominating his victims for his personal gain only to return to life of luxury later. The other acts like a masked protector, helping others even if it costs him personally. Their rivalry goes on, in and out of costumes, more like Professor Moriarty and Sherlock Holmes, each trying to outsmart the other and prove the opponent wrong. I really hope one day, not in MCU probably, we get to see this take on Norman too and he come into his own instead of being compared to "Lex Luthor with Joker persona". And Peter would be there to stop him, winning the philosophical battle.
@coldzoroark6440
Жыл бұрын
The only person who could out-perform Willem Dafoe as the Green Goblin is Willem Dafoe in the same role 19 years later.
@lexruptor
Жыл бұрын
When was the last time, comics or otherwise, that the goblin was an avengers level threat? The only I can think of was Red Goblin, and that was mostly Carnage being a threat.
@dragonwarrior1494
5 ай бұрын
Google Dark Reign storyline, the comic book version of Iron Patriot and Dark Avengers, there is your quickest answer!
@m3tr0id86
Жыл бұрын
To be perfectly honest, if there is a Marvel and DC crossover, I can guarantee you that. Defoe would be able to do the Joker and Green Goblin roles with equally potent and unique roles for the two characters. There is a video where Nicholas Cortez, a phenomenal voice actor that gives you an idea of what it would be like.
@wiredant6497
9 ай бұрын
Theory time: During Kang Dynasty, the Avengers come across a version of Norman Osborn that has been able to suppress the Goblin persona through a daily serum he takes (Jekyll/Hyde style). After enlisting the help of this alternate Norman, who sports the Iron Patriot suit (like in the comics), they are able to defeat Kang and his variants. However, the Goblin persona breaks through and takes Kang’s power, plunging the heroes into Battleworld to fight each other in his sick little game, taking the Beyonder’s role from the Secret Wars comics. He becomes the main villain in Avengers: Secret Wars.
@skinner219
Жыл бұрын
The Green Goblin is the TRUE Conqueror of the multiverse.
@FullFatVideos
Жыл бұрын
I hope so. Would be so freaking cool
@LaneGamesYT
Жыл бұрын
With all of the tons of respect that Thanos and GG both deserve, still gotta give the crown of best villain to Kilgrave. People have really forgotten how insanely good Season 1 of Jessica Jones was, and how chilling David Tennant's performance as Kilgrave was.
@smithon22
Жыл бұрын
Dafoe’s goblin will probably be the best version we will ever see on screen
@nseven1117
11 ай бұрын
we may not have Wilhelm Defoe as Joker but at least we got him as the Green Goblin which is close enough
@Galimeer5
Жыл бұрын
So if Goblin is Marvel's Joker, where does that leave Carnage? Because didn't Spider-Man and Batman team up to fight Carnage and Joker in that Marvel-DC crossover? The same one where Superman fought Hulk?
@dragonwarrior1494
5 ай бұрын
There is still mystery of the GG, how he can he still possess Harry mentally in the mirror like he did to Norman before when he is dead in the Tobey movies? I can’t help but think the idea of a multiverse can tap into that explanation more understandably! The idea that you pitched that he sees Dane’s Harry GG sounds neat too!
@thehale_
Жыл бұрын
I wouldn’t call the Green Goblin street level. I’d say he’s whatever level is just above that.
@michealmahmoud6391
4 ай бұрын
Honestly I would rather have a new Norman, seeing how Peter deal with a new Osborn being defined by his experience with Willem’s Goblin and incidentally creating a new Norman, something more like Ultimate, Insomniac and Spectacular . Maybe Mayor Osborn or the new leader of S.H.I.E.L.D./H.A.M.M.E.R., a manipulative man in full control and not defined by a split personality
@TimesFM4532
Жыл бұрын
vincent d'onofrio Kingpin, I’m a joke to you
@DKCGaming339
11 ай бұрын
Crazy how the Raimi movies had way better villains than the MCU.
@bet0v966
Жыл бұрын
Gotta disagree, they shouldn’t bring Goblin back. His wound on MCU Peter should keep festering. The consequences of those event had should linger. If they bring him back it may muddle his portrayal & there’s the risk of not getting it right
@itsmikolaj
Жыл бұрын
Great video as always. Particularly love the editing, and what is the music's title btw ?
@samuelmackenzie5267
Жыл бұрын
I’m bored of Thanos. Especially with Willem returning as green goblin. Definitely a favourite, and the costume was improved to perfection.
@shanerulez79
Жыл бұрын
Ever notice his mental illness works different in the MCU? In the Raimi-verse the Green Goblin is like a devil on his shoulder convincing Norman to do evil things. In the MCU it's a fully different personality that Norman is afraid of. They switch back and forth.
@af4tal3rr0r4
11 ай бұрын
it was always a split personality that norman was afraid of
@af4tal3rr0r4
11 ай бұрын
when the goblin is in control, his eyes narrow and his tone drops
@29go
Жыл бұрын
i think we can agree the green goblin wouldnt be nearly as threatening as a villian, as well known as he is, if it werent for defoes performance
@HistorySkate
Жыл бұрын
“Most threatening foe he has ever faced” Thanos: am I a joke to you Good video though haha.
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