Here is something to consider. At what age did William Branham allegedly have the bridge vision? As far as it appears, we have an age range from five to nine years old. Branham spoke of five to seven and Pearry Green stated he was nine. The reason his age is extremely vital to know, is due to a detail Branham spoke of regarding the vision. The pivotal detail is the “22 year sign” he saw, and he said the vision was fulfilled 22 years from the time he had the vision. While there exists great controversy concerning Branham’s actual birthdate, I will, at this time, use the most common date of April 6, 1909. Simple calculation provides that the use of the four ages, 5-7 and 9, gives the date of the vision in the range of 1914, 1915, 1916 and 1918. Therefore, using the “22 year” timeframe he used for the fulfillment of the vision, when 22 years is added to the four possible ages, when he had the vision, here are the conclusions; 1914 + 22 = 1936 1915 + 22 = 1937 1915 + 22 = 1938 1918 + 22 = 1940 Do you see the dilemma? The dates make void the vision since the bridge was completed in October of 1929. The 22 year sign does not calculate. Almighty God is so precise with his prophecies, that if the vision were true, the following elements would be exact; God would known exactly when Branham was born. He would know exactly how old Branham would be when He would give him the vision. God would be precise in showing the “sign” of how many years would go by, and when every detail of the vision would be fulfilled. The LORD God is specific and precise. However, Branham’s account of the vision, including the research, does not provide valid confirmation the vision was from God.
@Theearthtraveler
11 жыл бұрын
Can you produce reliable records proving no one died in the construction of this bridge?
@BelieveTheSign
12 жыл бұрын
In 1929, Louisville was a city of around 300,000 people with several newspapers. How does the death of 16 people escape the attention of newspapers looking for stories?
@BelieveTheSign
12 жыл бұрын
We spoke to Pearry Green ourselves on this issue. The mayor did not tell Pearry Green that 16 men died on the bridge. Because the mayor told Pearry that he thought William Branham was a prophet, Pearry assumed that the mayor knew about the bridge. But it was simply an assumption on Pearry's part. No one died on the bridge.
@BelieveTheSign
12 жыл бұрын
The Kentucky Encyclopedia is an incorrect reference that is not discussing the bridge constriction. Look at The Encyclopedia of Louisville By John E. Kleber (page 125) where it is confirmed that the bridge was finished in Octoober 1929. Also see The Louisville Guide By David Mohoney, Dennis Domer and Gregory Luhan (pg.P104). Also do you have any evidence of 16 men dying in the construction?
@rotaryinnovator
12 жыл бұрын
Be sure of it, Denver. Branham had that vision when he was 5-6 years old. 22 years after that brings us to year 1936. WMB was born in 1909. So, 1909+5+22=1936. Look at Kentucky Encyclopedia p.672 3rd paragraph 5th sentence. You can read "Construction of George Rogers Clark Memorial Bridge in 1936" Therefore, the Municipal Bridge had undergone a series of construction and repair, as all bridges the world over.
@morgandenver672
12 жыл бұрын
Denver, this doesn't make sense. You can't hide the death of 16 men. This would have been a wide-spread news story.
@KrscanskaApologetika
8 жыл бұрын
He couldn't have had that vision as a 6 year old boy, if he was baptised with Holy Spirit later in life when he matured. Many people have visions from God today - but not without Holy Spirit, it is the Holy Spirit who gives the gift of prophecy according to Paul. I'm really in awe when I see how many people were deceived by that charlatan
@BelieveTheSign
12 жыл бұрын
You are really grasping for straws. There were 37 people in total killed over a couple of years in the construction of the Big Four bridge which took place over 30 years prior to the building of the Municipal Bridge. The thing that made these things impossible to forget is the families of the men that were killed on the Big Four bridge. If they knew every single person that was killed 30 years prior, how did their record keeping get so bad.
@dacehyatt1780
Жыл бұрын
I believe the bridge vision was fulfilled. Remember that William Branham was only a 6 year old spectator of this vision. He did see a sign in this vision but it only read: "Twenty two years" Looking down stream from the Wathen's place where he was standing he could not have seen the location of the Municiple bridge but the line of sight would have been in the center of the Big Four bridge. The vision would have been a close up view as he was able to see details. At six years old means it would have been 1915. EXACTLY "Twenty two years" from then in 1893 twenty men fell from this bridge during the construction and drowned. Once again we are talking about a six year old spectator trying to count them as they fell. As a grown man he tried to count the angels in the 1962 vision and could only estimate 5-7 and later decided it must have been 7 due to scriptural types. This could account for the discrepancy between 16-20 I cant say for sure but I would speculate that the location of the Municiple bridge pier that Perry Green pointed at in his video would be in correlation to the location of the accident on the Big Four bridge." I believe the vision was of an event 22 years earlier not in the future as William Branham expected. One thing for sure, the vision was real, but the interpretation may not be for us to accurately quantify, I accept that.
@BelieveTheSign
Жыл бұрын
So let's speak about that... Branham says he was 6 years old, and you agree... Branham tells us that he was playing marbles with his YOUNGER brother, and that he RAN into the house to SPEAK with his mother... The Municipal Bridge where Branham tells us the event took place was dedicated and opened in 1929 October 31. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Rogers_Clark_Memorial_Bridge The bridge wasn't started until 1928... Let's subtract 22 years from when the bridge was completed... that would have been 1907... BUT WAIT... according to William Branham himself, depending on which of his birthdates you choose to pay attention to that he used in his sermons and on official documents such as his marriage licenses to both MEDA and HOPE, Branham wasn't born yet, or he was 7 months old... how was it he was PLAYING MARBLES with a YOUNGER BROTHER, RAN anywhere let alone into his house, and SPOKE TO ANYONE?? Sorry that doesn't work... Even Pearry Green validates that the Municipal Bridge was the bridge which Branham was speaking about in his video... Green says Branham pointed to the then completed bridge, and showed Green which span it was that collapsed... ooops... kzitem.info/news/bejne/pKZ-z3iwr6CDe6A Now, YOU MAY BE THINKING ABOUT THE BRIDGE INCIDENT WHICH OCCURRED SEVERAL MILES AWAY from the municipal bridge where SOME MEN DID DIE during its construction... there weren't 16, and ONLY 1 OF THEM DROWNED... but where did we get the 22 years again?? and why did Green verify which span of the bridge it was if it wasn't really THAT BRIDGE? You would think as a "prophet of God", Branham would know which Bridge he was speaking about, wouldn't you?? You have the liberty to believe what you wish even if it does defy the facts... that's entirely up to you... but when someone proclaims themselves a "prophet of God" as Branham did in over 400 instances over 1,100 sermons, then he should be able to make sure his stories are at least believable... As for the 5 or seven angels, This was an event where Branham was taken up by God into a Holy Place... just as John the Revelator was consumed by God in visions and taken into places where visions took place... but we see John the Revelator was ENTIRELY ACCURATE about HIS experience... he didn't change his mind or his story... And wasn't Branham a more "important", most "vindicated" prophet than anyone in Biblical History, MAJOR PROPHET?? Come to think about it, Branham himself tells us he was infallible... "BUT I DENY UPON THE INFALLIBLE EVIDENCE OF THE WORD THAT THERE IS MORE THAN ONE MAJOR PROPHET-MESSENGER WHO WILL REVEAL THE MYSTERIES AS CONTAINED IN THE WORD, AND WHO HAS THE MINISTRY TO TURN THE HEARTS OF THE CHILDREN TO THE FATHERS. "Thus saith the Lord" by His unfailing Word stands, and shall stand and be vindicated. There is one prophet-messenger to this age. On the basis of human behavior alone, anyone knows that where there are many people there is even divided opinion on lesser points of a major doctrine which they all hold together. Who then will have the power of infallibility which is to be restored in this last age, for this last age is going to go back to manifesting the Pure Word Bride? That means we will have the Word once again as it was perfectly given, and perfectly understood in the days of Paul. I will tell you who will have it. It will be a prophet as thoroughly vindicated, or even more thoroughly vindicated than was any prophet in all the ages from Enoch to this day, because this man will of necessity have the capstone prophetic ministry, and God will shew him forth. He won't need to speak for himself, God will speak for him by the voice of the sign. Amen." An Exposition Of The Seven Church Ages - Chapter Nine - The Laodicean Church Age So, which is correct? Is there a RED LETTER edition to the message?? That way WE COULD DECIDE WHICH SERMONS WE ARE TO PAY ATTENTION TO AND WHICH WE CAN IGNORE...
@dacehyatt1780
Жыл бұрын
@@BelieveTheSign Actually I was referring to the Big Four bridge. It is not several miles away but a mere 1000 feet or so upstream. Ironically 16 men drown during the construction on that bridge in 1890 (not 1) but I don't think that's the incident little Branham witnessed as it was not 22 years but 25. 14 of them did not actually fall off the bridge but rather drowned in the caisson. In this scenario the 16 men actually FALLING to their death would have to be figurative. There is another incident I would like to discuss. Let's go back first, he said this: "Sixteen men dropped off in-into the water and perished. And I seen a big sign, it said “twenty-two years.” I run in and told my mother." William Branham 1955 Switzerland The sign in the vision only read "22 years" and did NOT say in the future. He was born in 1909 and at 6 years old it would make the year 1915. "22 years" BACK and you have 1893. On exactly December 15 1893 21 people dropped off the bridge into the water and perished. The odds are that a six year old spectator of a vision would have trouble getting an accurate count of 21 men falling into the river is extremely high. These are interesting variables to consider but the one thing you can be sure of, the vision happened. Could God have turned the prophets attention 22 years back instead of 22 years forward and interpreted the details in technicolor? Absolutely, but he didn't. God allowed the man to stumble around in his own ability at times to set stumbling stones before the cult following. These people are deifying a man and missing the voice behind the man. One is fixated on the man while there are those that hear His voice behind the man that resonates from Genesis to Revelations and is very present today. My sheep Hear my voice and a stranger they will not follow. That is your red letter addition. Many followed Jesus for the wrong reasons as well, the miracles, the bread, and fish. He set a stumbling stone and said unless you eat the flesh and drink the blood of the Son of man you have no life in you. Many left. The disciples were there for a different reason altogether and said you alone have the WORDS of eternal life, to whom would we go?. It's that voice in Jesus, in the prophet, in all of God's born again children, in all of the scripture from Genesis to Revelations that we hear.
@BelieveTheSign
Жыл бұрын
There's a problem in your response... you start with the proposition that William Branham qualifies as a prophet of God Scripturally... And I will tell you that William Branham was a liar, a fraud, and a false prophet... So, hopefully YOU can help us... no one yet has tried... where exactly is it in Scripture that William Branham was vindicated as a prophet of God??
@BelieveTheSign
11 ай бұрын
YES!!! Good... but what does the NEW TESTAMENT tell us about that works? There is a difference between PROPHETS in the OLD COVENANT, and the GIFT OF PROPHECY in the NEW COVENANT... what is the difference, you ask?? In the OLD COVENANT there were ONLY TWO WAYS that the People of God could approach Him... And both of them were human intercessors... One was the High Priest in the Holy of Holies who gave sacrifice for atonement... The other was specific instructions through God's true prophets... Of course, as you well know, this requirement for a human intercessor goes away at the moment when Jesus Christ died on the cross as the Perfect Sacrifice for our sins... Matthew 27:50-51 (HCSB) 50 Jesus shouted again with a loud voice and gave up His spirit. 51 Suddenly, the curtain of the sanctuary was split in two from top to bottom; the earth quaked and the rocks were split. When the curtain split from Top to Bottom, the Holy of Holies was exposed to every person who will approach God for a One-On-One relationship... NO MORE requirement for a human intercessor. Now, how does the Gift of Prophecy as mentioned in Ephesians chapter 4 manifest itself?? 1. Those who prophesy NEVER LIE in the Name of the Lord... William Branham did this often... 2. Those who prophesy ALWAYS ALIGN WITH SCRIPTURE... at BEST what Branham taught was EXTRA-Scriptural, and at WORST it was ANTI-Scriptural... 3. Those who prophesy visions and dreams that TRULY HAVE THE GIFT FROM THE HOLY SPIRIT OF PROPHECY NEVER HAVE THEIR PROPHECIES FAIL... William Branham had so many propphecies and visions fail it is impossible to keep track... 4. The "prophets" as described in Ephesians chapter 4 are under the control of the prophets according to the Apostle Paul: 1 Corinthians 14:27-33 (KJV) 27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret. 28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God. 29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge. 30 If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace. 31 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted. 32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. 33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. Where are the other "prophets" to evaluate Branham's prophecies?? God IS NOT a God of confusion... and William Branham sewed confusion with his teaching which did not align with the Word of God... William Branham claimed that he was an OLD TESTAMENT prophet: If you notice, the prophet, in one sense of the word, in the Old Testament, when he said THUS SAITH THE LORD, now watch him, he goes right into the phrase of taking the place of God. You notice, when he placed out before him, THUS SAITH THE LORD, he fell right into God, and he acted as God. Then he gave his Message, which was God speaking through him, "THUS SAITH THE LORD!" ASHAMED_ JEFF.IN V-3 N-9 SUNDAY_ 65-0711 And so, we have to evaluate Branham according to OLD TESTAMENT standards... Deuteronomy 18:20-22 (HCSB) 20 But the prophet who dares to speak a message in My name that I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods-that prophet must die.’ 21 You may say to yourself, ‘How can we recognize a message the Lord has not spoken?’ 22 When a prophet speaks in the Lord’s name, and the message does not come true or is not fulfilled, that is a message the Lord has not spoken. The prophet has spoken it presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him. 1 Samuel 3:19-20 (KJV) 19 And Samuel grew, and the LORD was with him, and did let none of his words fall to the ground. 20 And all Israel from Dan even to Beersheba knew that Samuel was established to be a prophet of the LORD. We see that NONE OF AN OLD TESTAMENT PROPHET'S WORD WERE ALLOWED TO FAIL... and yet Branham's failed consistently and frequently... We can say without reservation that you have the liberty to believe what you wish... but don't you think it should align with Scripture? Especially where your salvation is concerned...
@dacehyatt1780
11 ай бұрын
@@BelieveTheSign I have a very simple question for you. Was the gift of desernment that operated through William Branham 1.) of God, or 2.) of satan? And this answer does not require an essay or a third option.
@BelieveTheSign
12 жыл бұрын
The vindication was not his, it was God's. The gifts he exercised were promised to the church in 1 Corinthians. They are not the works of a prophet but the gifts of the Holy Spirit. This was also not the only vision that failed. There are others which we will cover in future videos. Please read our article on the Hagin prophecy on the BelieveTheSign website to have a better understanding of what might have gone wrong.
@Denvermorgan2000
12 жыл бұрын
Ok lets ask ourselves a question sure there is no news paper record but if we look the Bridge was built the mayor even said he was a prophet could not God have caused them NOt to record it remember he is the one thats REALLY in control.
@noereyes1961
11 жыл бұрын
Apostle Paul talks about his conversion in two places in the scriptures, and they say opposite things. In one place it say that the men around him heard the voice, but didn't see anything. In the other it says that they saw a light but didn't hear anything. Was he a false apostle because he told the story in two contradictory stories? I wouldn't deny that he was a prophet only because you don't have proof of anyone dying falling off a bridge.
@BelieveTheSign
7 жыл бұрын
Your argument is what is called a "red herring". See our video on the subject here - kzitem.info/news/bejne/uKCguoF4h3aGZYI
@StevenBenDeNoon
11 жыл бұрын
Please put out the video about his serpent seed doctrine! Please! Thank you for all you do
@BelieveTheSign
12 жыл бұрын
Good question but too detailed to respond here. We will have videos in the future dealing with some of the more troubling issues. You can also take a look at our website at BelieveTheSignDotCom which contains a lot of detailed information
@janejames9173
5 жыл бұрын
Amen. Thank you.
@deadpet78
12 жыл бұрын
Last question, where do you feel William Branham was wrong on doctrine?
@morgandenver672
12 жыл бұрын
Great video! Thanks for sharing
@morgandenver672
12 жыл бұрын
Honestly, that doesn't make sense. it doesn't matter what the mayor said or believes.
@deadpet78
12 жыл бұрын
At one point, did your group believe William Branham was infallible?
@BelieveTheSign
11 жыл бұрын
Take a look at searchingforvindication (its a website but youtube won't let us post the link) They tried to prove us wrong and confirmed our conclusions. Actually 2 people died during the construction but not be drowning. Also see our article on the bridge at believethesign)
@BelieveTheSign
12 жыл бұрын
God caused them not to record it? Why??? That really doesn't make sense. If God wants to trick you and me, it's going to work. Let me ask you this - What if it never happened???
@benji3030
2 жыл бұрын
But guess what it did because the prophet said it did.
@BelieveTheSign
11 жыл бұрын
What WMB had was not vindication. That is not a Biblical term in the NT. The Bible does promise gifts in the church and those gifts are still evident. See our article on Mal 4:5 on our website. Also, a better place to discuss these things is on our facebook page
@Denvermorgan2000
12 жыл бұрын
But if he was right about the bridge in the first place does it not make a little sense to believe the rest of what he said about the bridge record keeping in those days was shall we say not top notch.
@BelieveTheSign
12 жыл бұрын
We appreciate that the amplified Bible (AMP) is not the best translation in the world, but you also have to realize that many people that follow William Branham respect only a couple of translations and the AMP is usually one of them. We are simply recognizing our viewing audience. A video on bible versions is on our list of things to do.
@morgandenver672
12 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the answer - that makes sense.
@deadpet78
12 жыл бұрын
Whether you believe Branham was a prophet or not, you put a verse of the amplified bible? You guys crack me up.:-)
@Denvermorgan2000
12 жыл бұрын
I think the main thing that confuses me is that how could God vindicate him and so much of his prophecy be right and this be wrong i just do not understand because im "So sure he is Gods Prophet!
@BelieveTheSign
11 жыл бұрын
We do not point to any single man, church or group. We simply follow Christ. And yes, His signs still follow them that believe.
@BelieveTheSign
12 жыл бұрын
The followers of William Branham differ widely in their beliefs. There are certainly some that believe that he was infallible, although we were never part of that group.
@Afroangelic07
11 жыл бұрын
1) Brother Branham said the church will be gone before the Tribulation. That is wrong. The church is taken after the tribulation, but before God's wrath is poured out. (Matthew 24:29) 2) WMB said the people born outside wedlock cannot go in the Rapture. That's wrong. The catching away is not even just for the elect, but every one who has ever lived righteously before God will be resurrected. (Rev 11:18)
@Afroangelic07
11 жыл бұрын
3)WMB taught that the two witnesses of Rev 11 are two men. Moses and Elijah. That is wrong. These two witnesses are the elect anointed by the spirit of Moses and Elijah in the final revival. Clue: Read Rev 11, how does anyone make war against two people? And there are many other clues, but you have to read what the Bible says and forget everything the Message has taught You. 4)WMB said his gifts were the last sign to the Gentiles. What about Angelica Zambrano? David Taylor?
@temb121
11 жыл бұрын
Similar 'proofs' you get from these guys could easily have been attributed to Moses and Abraham. There are things that Moses or Abraham did that the believethesign guys of them days --dathan and Korah etc, could easily have shown that Moses was a false prophet. 1st, he killed the Egyptian. He told people not to make any graven images, but turned around to build cherubims for the Mercy Seat etc etc. So these things are not new! Scripture has shadows that depict realities we see on youtube etc!
@crcronin7899
11 жыл бұрын
Amen!!!!
@Denvermorgan2000
12 жыл бұрын
I will take Brother Branhams word for it even the mayor told Pearry Green about the bridge and said Billys a Prophet.
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