Fight Against a Somewhat Stronger Monster is one of my favorite video game tracks of all time, and I had NO idea about the rhythm motifs. Awesome.
@emmbeesea
10 ай бұрын
Yoko Shimomura's work for the Mario RPGs is some of my favourite VGM ever. A perfect counterpart to Koji Kondo's style and foundation for the series.
@cube2fox
10 ай бұрын
Do you know who made the remix for Switch?
@danw9403
10 ай бұрын
@@cube2foxYoko Shimomura was in charge of the remake's soundtrack as well
@romo_lampkin
10 ай бұрын
Kinda wild, I was watching a streamer play an Ocarina of Time randomizer, which had custom music. One of the songs sounded like it could be Kingdom Hearts song through and through. So I asked, and it was from a Mario & Luigi game. Lo and behold, who wrote it? Yoko Shimumura. What a hero
@silask.1966
10 ай бұрын
@@romo_lampkinwell it‘s a woman soooo….. heroenne? I don’t know how to write that
@Embyreal
10 ай бұрын
@@romo_lampkinshe’s also the same woman who gave birth to SF2’s many iconic themes when she first started at Capcom
@monkey_blu
10 ай бұрын
This soundtrack is permanently engraved in my heart and it is very dear to me. Hearing people talk about it fills me with so much joy
@JustKiddingNYC
10 ай бұрын
Since it was skipped, I wanted to mention that "Smithy who likes transforming" transitions for a couple measures into a surf music vibe for me. Which I love lol. I think it's the ray of hope in the dissonant and tritoney song of Mario and his friends fighting back.
@Spladoinkal
10 ай бұрын
As a drummer, I'm ALWAYS down for some rhythmic analysis!
@floridamoon90
10 ай бұрын
Nice elucidating points as always. Also want to point out that the whole tone melodic figure discussed in the 2nd Smithy theme is the response part of the call-and-response melody from The Road is Full of Dangers. So cool that the main exploration theme and all the battle themes are elaborations of each other.
@Mystik3eb
10 ай бұрын
Rhythmic motifs are a new concept for me, and I love it! Well noticed, dude!
@YourHuggyFriendo
10 ай бұрын
I was really hoping for "beware the forests mushrooms" but thid is awesome too!
@LanEXHikari
10 ай бұрын
I clicked for the strong enemy/mini boss's battle music and it was so worthy and cronchy. Excellent video! Thanks for breaking down these absolute jams! 👾✌🏼
@LessAshamed
10 ай бұрын
GOAT SNES battle themes right here. Also- I highly recommend running these tracks emulated and muting the sound channels one at a time... there's some hidden lofi samples in here that are used MASTERFULLY.
@breakingglass27
10 ай бұрын
The Smithy theme reminds me a bit of Kraftwerk, specifically "Trans Europe Express". The chugging drums and pitch-shifting horns imitate the sounds of trains, while Smithy's has a more industry-influenced feel
@NoxVGM
10 ай бұрын
Great video! Rhythm is often overlooked but without a doubt is the driving force and backbone to a good battle theme, and this game's OST examplifies it really well. Pretty excited to hear the new renditions of these themes in the remake
@noahfeazell3336
10 ай бұрын
I've never heard someone explain rhythm in such a perfect way. Should be more studied on in music theory.
@bmac4
10 ай бұрын
Going for a rhythm and bass based approach was smart, Mario historically has a more jazz/latin/groove element to his soundtracks and bass and rhythm are vital to that sort of music. Its arguably the biggest part of what separates Mario RPG music from, say, the classically inspired Dragon Quest music.
@themotioncodemarc
10 ай бұрын
Man, this channel is a treasure. Thank you kindly good sir.
@echud1567
10 ай бұрын
6:55 Hey man, as a musician i am PROUD of knowing what an ostinato is as a word and so should you 😭
@natyfop
10 ай бұрын
Not gonna lie, I had trouble listening to your explanations because I was bopping to the music the whole time. I made an effort though! Great video as always!
@particalman1016
10 ай бұрын
This game is my all time favorite from my childhood, it's the reason why I love RPGs, and it's amazing soundtrack is why Yoko Shimomura is near the top of my list of all time favorite videogame composers. Also This was a great breakdown of the music, but there is one motif that connects all of the themes used for Smithy's gang. You Touched on it briefly, "A Fight Against an Armored Boss" Is just a remix of "Here's Some Weapons" but it goes further than that! Take the opening organ notes of the battle theme for Smithy's first form, It's the same note pattern of the last few notes before the loop of the previous two songs, then that same note pattern appears again in the battle theme of Smithy's second form in the form of a bass line near the end of the song before the loop.
@stephencheney9811
10 ай бұрын
Playing the remake, I'm tempted to add "rhythm" to its hybridized list of genres. No one made the connection at the time because the genre literally didn't exist. This game came out several months before Parappa the Rapper, but look at the mechanism of timed attacks, the Mushroom Derby race, and even timing your dashes in Marrymore to knock down doors. It's so fitting then that a lot of what subconsciously made the game so great was down to its rhythms.
@user-tb5mb2ng9n
10 ай бұрын
It’s always a good day when you upload
@JonFroboy
10 ай бұрын
its because the music that this game can be played blindfolded, it can also keep your timing perfect for most of the game, and if you get lost, just follow the music and try again, IT LOOPS
@Rubelplys
10 ай бұрын
That was one of the best fucking videos I've ever seen, no joke!!! Keep it up!
@SoundEngraver
10 ай бұрын
Amazing analysis of my all-time favorite game! Yoko Shimomura had a truly unique voice when it came to rhythm.
@zacharywong483
10 ай бұрын
Fantastic video and analysis, as always! Love your rhythmic analysis videos!
@stabngab
10 ай бұрын
I love your videos, your voice and everything you do. Never stop
@ThrashmIO
10 ай бұрын
Would @8bitMusicTheory ever consider covering the Battleclash/Metal Combat ost? I know they're not the most well-known games, but goddamn, the tracks are both powerful and highly thematic.
@andrewblake3210
10 ай бұрын
Oh! Just hearing this music again makes me so happy!
@Kyrbi0
10 ай бұрын
Fantastic analysis & commentary. I knew these songs were good but not *that* good. Can't wait to introduce this to my wife via the remake
@deathblowringo4168
9 ай бұрын
For the Switch remake release, I'll rename those: 0:50 Battling Monsters 2:39 Battling Strongish Monsters 6:32 Battling a Weapon Boss 8:46 Battling Smithy 10:26 Battling Smithy's Many Forms
@cjt217
10 ай бұрын
I'm so excited to hear how these tracks are all going to be reimagined TOMORROW!!!!
@Haganeren
10 ай бұрын
I know those music since so long ago.. It's crazy for me to see them being analyzed like that.
@7thangelad586
10 ай бұрын
I hoped you would mention the Culex theme just to bring up my favorite SNES game Final Fantasy IV ;)
@mimisaiko
10 ай бұрын
Love you analysis on rhythm!
@swordsmancs
8 ай бұрын
Would love to see an analysis of the basic battle music from TTYD, that shit always slapped for me
@TurtwigX
10 ай бұрын
This is the game that made me such a big Yoko Shimomura fan. One of my fave game scores of all time!!
@TheMadNadTV
10 ай бұрын
SMRPG is one of my most favorite games ever. My brother and I used to play it together all the time and I wish he was still around to experience the new game coming out. Thank you for covering the music. I played drums in high school and have a "musical ear" but never really understood all the music theory terms. Watching your videos and hearing how this music works with the themes of the game is really enlightening. Don't have much else to say but wanted to thank you for being so good at what you do! Oh! I do have a question: How do you separate some parts of the music from the main melody? Are there pre-recordings somewhere of the SNES music for each channel or do you need to use some magic to grab this audio?
@chrisofstars
10 ай бұрын
He answered this question on another comment he said he uses a app called JCOM-SPC
@supermario_bueno
10 ай бұрын
Yoko Shimomura is the goddess of Soundtracks ❤
@Gilthwixt1
10 ай бұрын
I've been asking all the Video Game Music Theory channels about this but could you cover the music behind Team Fight Tactic's Set 10, Remix Rumble? The devs go into it a little bit but every game essentially live mixes 12 different genres across 3 layers depending on player choices and it somehow always works, and I really want to understand why.
@OGNoNameNobody
10 ай бұрын
TL;DR - _Mario RPG_ 's battle themes are simple, memorable, and good.
@MegaTheman25
10 ай бұрын
What tool(s) do you use to isolate instruments for snes music?
@kivideogames
10 ай бұрын
Hail to the Queen of videogame music: Yoko Shimomura. 🎉
@Wailingllama
10 ай бұрын
Am I missing something or has this channel never done a video on the ps1 Spyro OSTs???
@jeffk6673
10 ай бұрын
I so appreciate when this channel highlights lesser valued games and their OST's like this. I would love for LoZ Spirit Tracks to get some attention. Phenomenal Soundtrack!
@maccamachine
10 ай бұрын
Such a great game
@GameBoy-hd2eg
10 ай бұрын
Woah dude how did seperate the drums from the melody or bass? How did you seperate them?
@GerharDTeach
10 ай бұрын
Hello chief. How do you edit those pen markings? They're very cool
@skew5386
10 ай бұрын
Can't wait to say hi at MAGfest!
@SlyHikari03
10 ай бұрын
Armed boss goes hard.
@wowo29
10 ай бұрын
anyone ever sing along "Bowser's scaring the monster" to the basic theme?
@The_Pariah
3 ай бұрын
This guy has forgotten more about music than I've ever known...
@Buxiga
10 ай бұрын
Is anyone else dancing while listening to the explanation?
@xvii8693
10 ай бұрын
How did you Isolate each track?
@fenniken5381
10 ай бұрын
I'd love to see persona music analysis, and ys.
@BeersYourFriend
10 ай бұрын
I am having an ok time with the New Mario RPG Switch Remake/Remaster but I had to know if there are any other good battle songs. I get it, the music in the first few stages are fantastic, but its starting to annoy me a bit. Its a great catchy beat, but it never ends and is incredibly loud. I mean, there couldn't add a simple volume slider adjustments in the settings? And, before anyone wants to be a wise ass and say to lower my volume, well you're not helping anyone except yourself trying to be a comedian. I think Nintendo could easily add a simple update to the games setting menu for a simple music volume adjustment, so I can enjoy all of the other incredible sound effects without lowering my volume. With 2.7K upvotes, and only 11 downvotes on this video, I have a feeling I'm not going to feel very welcome here. there has got to be one of you out there who loves the music, while at the same time can understand where i'm coming from. Again, the game is fantastic, and there is no question about it, I'm going to play this game in it's entirety. heck, maybe even another run if there is a hard mode that unlocks. anyways, great video 8-bit music theory. i thought there was only 1 battle song, but it looks like i've got a lot more to play until i get to the other songs later in the game, which helped me out a lot. thank you. i just wanted to add one more thing. thank god that the devs kept the older original 8 bit music, so i can at least change back and forth between the 2 variations of each song, which will help immensely to the experience
@Corrieography
10 ай бұрын
Smithy's theme is highly underrated
@Slash0mega
10 ай бұрын
hey, you forgot Culex :P (I feel I may not be the first to make this joke, and that I won't be the last lol)
@JoelTheParrot
10 ай бұрын
swag
@blue_acid
10 ай бұрын
Nothing like the snes music
@MediaDukart
10 ай бұрын
I’ve been playing a ton of Theatrhythm Final Bar Line and this makes me want Super Mario RPG DLC. It’ll never happen, but I waaaaant it! 🥲
@xanrethan
10 ай бұрын
Maybe Geno for smash?
@MegaTheman25
10 ай бұрын
it's over buddy, go home
@terdragontra8900
10 ай бұрын
Didn't even show off the cool "solo" at the end of "Fight Against an Armed Boss", 0/10 (jk 8bmt)
@azenar1894
10 ай бұрын
Damn i cant watch this yet 😔
@Ridnarhtim
10 ай бұрын
As much as I love this game's music (both original and remake), I get extremely sick of the main battle theme after a while.
@Emilio1985
10 ай бұрын
Shimomoura is easily one of the finest composers in video games.
@RonaldPoe
10 ай бұрын
Agreed. As a KH fan since 2003, Yoko Shimomura is the GOAT. Her battle themes in particular have always been great and featured interesting percussion parts. The way she couples her complex rhythmic layers with comparatively slower and simpler lead melodies (often on violins and piano) never fails to impress. I'm so happy we're finally getting a video from him on her battle themes. Mario and Luigi also had some truly impressive boss themes in its run ...
@mr.j3rs3y
10 ай бұрын
ABSOLUTELY! My favorite ost from her has to be when she remade her OST for LIVE-A-LIVE
@AtomizedSound
10 ай бұрын
Heard
@Kingu-Sama
10 ай бұрын
Not even just one of the best in VGM, one of the best of this era.
@SMCwasTaken
9 ай бұрын
Same with Junichi Masuda
@vaiyt
10 ай бұрын
One thing i love about the final boss theme: unless you've been overprepared Smithy is likely to make the first attack, and the note delay at the end of the intro syncs pretty well with Sledge landing on Mario and company.
@genius11433
10 ай бұрын
Yeah! Funny thing is, that's precisely how I remember it: 🎶 _Bum-ba-dum-bum-bum - _*_BOOM!_*_ -bum-bum-bum-buh-buh-dum-bum-buuuuuum_ 🎶
@lennalefay
10 ай бұрын
This is such a good catch!!! Without going into detail and spoiling anything, if you haven’t found out already, the remake supports this theory being intentional 100%!
@Dayserking
10 ай бұрын
@@lennalefaythey forced it 😂😂😂
@Manas-co8wl
6 ай бұрын
Looks like I've overprepared every time... hard not to though I'll try a quicker run next time and see if this is true
@Xunkun
3 ай бұрын
AND THEN THEY MADE IT _PART OF THE CUTSCENE_ IN REMAKE kzitem.info/news/bejne/l52C1WShiqNhl5w
@MrGermanpiano
10 ай бұрын
Much love to Yoko Shimomura for all the great music she made!
@reev9759
10 ай бұрын
Final Fantasy 15 soundtrack was so bad.
@AxeMain
10 ай бұрын
@reev9759 what's bad about it? I never even played the game and still like a lot of the songs
@ethanbagley471
10 ай бұрын
@@reev9759what??? Lmao. That soundtrack is incredible
@DorienTheHeroOfTheArts
10 ай бұрын
@@reev9759 The soundtrack is incredible, what?
@reev9759
10 ай бұрын
@@DorienTheHeroOfTheArts Final Fantasy 15 soundtrack is far more generic than Super Mario RPG's. It's hard for Yoko to take risks, which she hasn't done in quite a while even since Kingdom Hearts. She's been complacent lately with her soundtrack writing.
@rudeboyspodcast
10 ай бұрын
Spoiler for those who haven't played the remake: The music is even BETTER. Shimomura went out of her way to expand a bunch of songs with better instrumentation and even some wicked solos. We are truly blessed.
@gab_v250
10 ай бұрын
I should say it. Shimomura goated composer
@Epic_C
10 ай бұрын
It was interesting on the battle theme of the ever so subtle change of the music for each chain you score between chain 1 and chain 5. Listen closely if you haven't noticed yet. It'll reset if you miss your chain.
@shelbyherring92
10 ай бұрын
Only the mixing could have been better for some of the tracks, like the Smithy battle themes feel hollow without the basslines. But still, that's like... three subpar sections in two great songs out of an amazing soundtrack. Literally, the only little nitpick anyone really has about it. Edit: Gab, Shimomura's been GOATed since Street Fighter 2 and Breath of Fire... There's a reason she's one of the Big 3 between herself, Uematsu, and Kondo.
@yukonexpatriate4017
10 ай бұрын
Is 'the music is even better' actually a spoiler?
@TheNuje
9 ай бұрын
I love that they used the same composer to be able to do it again with expanded capabilities. However, I have one issue with the bass line in the boss battle theme just before it loops. The original and remake version sort of build towards the end of the line, specifically in the bass line. But the remake version, I feel, should have used B for the bass note in the first beat of the final measure instead of the tonic E. It's a tiny nitpick, but it sounds a bit abrupt to me, like it resolves slightly too early. Most of what I've heard though (I have yet to actually play the remake) is brilliant!
@johntauren
10 ай бұрын
The Mario RPGs all have banging music. Can't help but think about how the idle poses in the Mario & Luigi series is like them jamming to the battle music.
@SJT9791
10 ай бұрын
I think she’s the same composer.
@sonicbhoc
9 ай бұрын
@@SJT9791she is. Also, she's the composer for Kingdom Hearts. You can really hear it in the battle against Dark Bowser in Bowser's Inside Story.
@ShyRanger
10 ай бұрын
When you pointed out the Cuban/Hispanic rhythm comparisons, it did make me think. The Smithy Gang boss rhythm DOES sound a lot like something out of some popular songs Pitbull or Enrique Iglesias' club dance songs.
@gab_v250
10 ай бұрын
MR WORLDWIDE
@RafaelAAMerlo
10 ай бұрын
Please, make one more even deeper video about this OST, there are so many aspects to which is so beautiful ❤❤❤
@BradsGonnaPlay
10 ай бұрын
Seconded! He could talk about anything Yoko Shimomura and I’d be captivated for hours
@s.lajoie9961
10 ай бұрын
Yet another gem! I had never realized how much rhythm impacted these songs I thought I was familiar with.
@solidskullz5736
10 ай бұрын
Fight against an armed boss has always been my favorite song in the Mario rpg, when I got to the fight against Mack in the remake I was absolutely delighted by the more sinister vibe that the remake gave it
@shirayasha
10 ай бұрын
This was the OST that put Yoko Shimomura on the map
@BlueAizu_
10 ай бұрын
Don't forget she helped do Street Fighter II before this game!
@coastersplus
10 ай бұрын
As deserved, but I wish Live-A-Live's soundtrack got a bit more recognition after the remake, also a ton of great stuff in both versions.
@brennanmack563
10 ай бұрын
This was for me one of, if not the first OST that I paid close attention to in the end credits and looked up her work later. Unfortunate that (iirc) Kondo and Uematsu both got the same billing as her just because some of their music is featured in the game (a VERY small portion of the overall track list).
@mr.j3rs3y
10 ай бұрын
@@coastersplusFR LAL’S SOUNDTRACK IS AMAZING
@Zetaku3
10 ай бұрын
Love it, how did you isolate the drums from the main music :o
@8bitMusicTheory
10 ай бұрын
There's a software called JCOM-SPC that let's you isolate the different channels for SNES music!
@bemasaberwyn55
10 ай бұрын
@@8bitMusicTheory did you have that when you made that CT vid years ago?
@RafaelAAMerlo
10 ай бұрын
@@bemasaberwyn55 I was thinking about using that to Chrono Trigger as well XD Is there any tutorial out there of how to do it?
@brennanmack563
10 ай бұрын
Old SNES emulators (at least ZSNES) let you turn specific sound channels on and off. I learned so much about VGM back in the day once I discovered that.
@8bitMusicTheory
10 ай бұрын
@@bemasaberwyn55 Yeah, that's how I made the smash mouth x secret of the forest mashup haha
@GeekMasterGames
10 ай бұрын
I genuinely hope this isn't the only time you visit SMRPG! I can't wait for the game!
@KirbyCoder
10 ай бұрын
Ok but what about the Culex theme? Or does that not count because it's just a remix of the FF4 boss theme.
@birchwwolf
10 ай бұрын
gotta remember this game came out when RPG videogames barely performed in the US and EU. this title was an entryway into the genre for many who thought Final Fantasy was too D&D-nerd-serious and EarthBound too immature (blame the marketing), and Shimomura's score does a lot of heavy lifting to make text menus and power level mgmt feel as fun and novel as the opening cutscene plot twist of a Bigger Threat in the Mushroom Kingdom.
@RameshKumar-ng3nf
10 ай бұрын
This channel is GOLD ❤🙏 Learned a lot from this channel over the years 🙏
@kaptenteo
10 ай бұрын
This game's soundtrack is a masterpiece. The remake's rearrangements are also superb, but I'm really glad you can swap between it and the original on the fly. I know most people know her for the Kingdom Hearts soundtracks, but I will always consider Super Mario RPG and Legend of Mana to be Shimomura's finest works.
@squwooshk
10 ай бұрын
One of my favorite game osts ever
@goldencheeze
10 ай бұрын
So glad to see other people commenting about the composer! I grew up on Kingdom Hearts and the Mario RPG series’ of games. Everybody talks about Koji Kondo (and rightfully so, fair enough… his works are awesome too!) But I swear every other month I learn about a new one of my favorite game series which Yoko Shimomura composed for. She is probably half the reason I love the M&L series, and Kingdom Hearts. Another great composer people sleep on is Grant Kirkhope, they’re all inspirations and the reason I want to probably try composition one day. I was listening to M&L Dream Team music just earlier so this gave me so much whiplash when I see this video in my recommended and see people giving her the recognition she deserves for creating so many great memories. Banger video ((as usual from vg music theory youtube channels)) I hope you cover Dream Team one day, the battle theme, boss theme and final battle are some of my favorite pieces in gaming, and I’d love to see a dive into what makes them such ear candy to listen to. The forest and final battle from Paper Jam is also pretty good, and BiS also has a great soundtrack… I’ve thought about trying my hand at videos like in your or Scruffy’s style of analytical content in media, though probably after going to college for music first. (And learning how to edit videos… youtube is hard) By the way, how do you make sheet music and visuals for these pieces? Do you listen with headphones, turn up the volume, and try to pick up all the details and create it in musescore or something? I’m interested in how you edit visuals, I’m sure it’s not easy and probably takes time to produce high quality long form content, since you need to know both video editing software on top of the musical knowledge Always warms my heart to see big views on what I generally thought of as a very niche content overlap between gamers and people interested in music.
@drostealth
8 ай бұрын
The final final boss music, with how it comes off jarringly different from the rest, serves to underscore how truly alien Smithy is. His first form could still easily come from a normal Mario game, his second form is just vastly different. The music just helps to underpin it
@AaronRinggenberg
10 ай бұрын
Right on time! I knew we could count on 8-bit Music Theory for some SMRPG love when the remake dropped :D I've had an inkling about the similarities between the battle themes for years. Thanks for helping put this feeling into words!
@Spladoinkal
10 ай бұрын
So Dorian scale for angry boss music, got it! :P
@AtomizedSound
10 ай бұрын
You could do a whole series of videos on the music of this soundtrack. Love this game and the soundtrack is soo fun
@appleinatophat1089
10 ай бұрын
Would love for you to do more Yoko Shimomura videos. The Kingdom Hearts soundtrack never fails to make me cry
@boone99999
3 ай бұрын
fight against an armed boss seems like it has a motif of the dungeon you fight it in.
@brennanmack563
10 ай бұрын
So hyped for the remake!
@Jake9066
10 ай бұрын
Okay --- Ostinato - that's pretentious for "a looping rhythmic figure" --- had me laughing much more than it should have
@EmanueleVaccari
10 ай бұрын
The magic of Shimomura sensei!
@sniperczar
10 ай бұрын
I think the intro line in Smithy's theme comes from the final Bowser boss theme in Super Mario Bros. 3. Love the rhythmic analysis here, it's no surprise that Shimomura also gave us Blanka's theme in Super Street Fighter II!
@JohnOethGuitar
10 ай бұрын
Awesome video! I love how the bouncy rhythms keep the battle themes a bit lighter.
@AlexRiversMusic
10 ай бұрын
BEST GAME EVER!
@thegothaunt
10 ай бұрын
I LOVE this OST. Thanks for the deep dive!!!
@rfmerrill
10 ай бұрын
I'm pretty sure "Fight Against An Armed Boss" is a mistranslation. It should be "Fight Against A Boss Who Is A Weapon" (since nearly all the members of the Smithy Gang are anthropomorphized weapons--sword, spear, bow, cannon, knife, ax)
@dave_the_slick8584
10 ай бұрын
So if they're weapons, by default they'd be armed. The title makes sense still.
@soundfable9909
10 ай бұрын
If I'm not mistaken, this video omits Yoko Shimomura's name for some reason. I imagine it was just an accident, but I found it odd
@thespeedyyoshi
10 ай бұрын
I LOVE the rhythm videos. Yay ^w^ (As a fellow percussionist of course)
@evan
10 ай бұрын
I am so stoked for the remake!! My favourite game of all time and defo one of my top soundtracks
@ztarburst
10 ай бұрын
The Mario & Luigi RPG's have excellent music.
@a_creatorsstuff17
10 ай бұрын
9:35 Hey, thats thr Luigi's mansion theme start, i wonder if it was intentional or coincidence
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