Cyan is the best. I sent an email to them years ago asking if i could use the D'ni language and some of their artwork from inside the journals and notes you find throughout the games for a series of prints I was working on in my printmaking class. Not only did they allow me to do that, they provided me with a statement for a teacher and a separate statement for entering my pronts into contests so that I couldn't be disqualified or anything due to using their artwork.
@RivetingMaterial
10 ай бұрын
Cyan is a small studio that stayed small and just used the success of Myst and riven to hunker down and keep the dream alive. Such a cool company. Thanks for sharing!
@nomoresaul
4 ай бұрын
Dang that is cool
@CodeRed001
4 ай бұрын
They really are great. For example, there was a Riven remake fangame being made for the past decade called The Starry Expanse, I was on their discord. Then all of a sudden Cyan contacted them and integrated their work into the official Riven remake that is about to come out. Most companies shut down fan games on copyright claims, but Cyan pretty much hired the on board and a game that might haven taken another 10 years is coming out next month.
@Cylonknight
2 ай бұрын
There’s an ars technical KZitem interview on Rand and he went into great detail. I loved it, and his enthusiasm.
@glorbojibbins2485
23 күн бұрын
Pronts
@oriongurtner7293
Жыл бұрын
The D’ni: “Why is our civilization crumbling?” Also The D’ni: “Architecture and Education really aren’t _that_ important are they? Do we really need them on the council?”
@aekaydubs
3 ай бұрын
As an American, this is too real
@GellyGelbertson
2 жыл бұрын
"The games are dramatizations of real events." myst isn't canon within it's own universe, but the myst games are, and i just think that's hilarious. good stuff!!
@RivetingMaterial
2 жыл бұрын
Myst is more canon to reality than it is to its own universe
@OnlyOneTubing
Жыл бұрын
Decades are 10's, Centuries are 100's 3- 4 Centuries is what The D'ni can live to.
@RivetingMaterial
Жыл бұрын
Yes, I misspoke and didn't catch it. Centuries is correct.
@badreprint
11 ай бұрын
I'm truly shocked by how much of that I already knew. No shade to you, this all went very deep, but I never realized how deeply-invested I had gotten into this series. I thought I was a casual fan!
@sandrinowitschM
2 ай бұрын
People are complaining about the youtube algorithm all the time but I appreciate how it keeps hitting me with recommendations of smaller channels in the last few months. Great video!
@thedanielstraight
2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant work on this, sir. I was a huge Myst fan, didn't play for years, then I played the 2021 remake. Fascinating games.
@RivetingMaterial
2 жыл бұрын
Fascinating lore to match!
@woulfhound
11 ай бұрын
@@RivetingMaterial Wait... At 10:00 you say D'ni only live for about 3 decades, which is only about 30 years, then you say the oldest living D'ni was almost 4 centuries old? Are you sure you're getting your life spans correct?
@RivetingMaterial
11 ай бұрын
@@woulfhound yeah, I misspoke and didn't catch it until the video was out, meant to say centuries but said decades instead
@woulfhound
11 ай бұрын
@@RivetingMaterial No problem, it happens.
@itstimmyramisu
Жыл бұрын
9:05 Myst 3 uses Roman numerals as well! :) my favorite game in the series by far. Much love my friend your videos are great. Also if we get a riven remake I will cry. I can only pray we will also get a myst 3 exile remake as well
@RivetingMaterial
Жыл бұрын
Thanks very much!
@JohnGaltShadow
6 ай бұрын
So are you crying now? It’s almost here!
@drygnfyre
3 ай бұрын
The Riven remake comes out in two days.
@WarriorRazor
3 ай бұрын
have you stopped crying yet? :)
@itstimmyramisu
3 ай бұрын
i am crying friends. but i will really cry when i see my myst 3 exile VR dream come to life. i hope you’re well and enjoying the most amazing gaming franchise in the world my friends.
@epicfox567
Жыл бұрын
Your trap book theory needs to be cannon I’ve been trying to tell people it’s so easy to fix
@aekaydubs
3 ай бұрын
Having just finished the 2024 Myst and Riven bundle, this is exactly how I understood it to work. Atrus explicitly says he made Gehn’s trap book by breaking a normal linking book so linking won’t complete. Is that not in the original Riven?
@anti-ethniccleansing465
3 ай бұрын
@@aekaydubs I haven’t made it to that part in the video yet, but just from reading your description… That doesn’t make sense. If a linking book doesn’t complete when someone touches the image, then I imagine they would get stuck in some kind of purgatory limbo (because you never finish transporting)… they wouldn’t get transported to a small prison space like we saw Sirrus and Achanar did in Myst... If someone is stuck in that kind of limbo area then how would the book even work properly where if someone else comes along and touches the image, that person will trade places with the prisoner? Because that’s exactly how the book worked when the player traps Ghen, as Ghen touches the picture, thinking that he will be transported to D’ni, but of course ends up trading places with the player who was in the book’s prison space. Edit: So I just got to that part of the video. The narrator actually describes everything perfectly. It was your choice of words that didn’t explain things properly and were thus just a bit inaccurate.
@Isaacfess
2 жыл бұрын
Heck yeah man, Myst is an amazing series, I already know this video is going to be great! Holy crap.....I played the *exact* flash game at 0:55. Wow, that was a GREAT video man! I thoroughly enjoyed it.
@ChristopherZavalaVlogs
Жыл бұрын
Tomahna is actually located in the desert of New Mexico as well and David Ogden Stiers also voiced Jeff Zandi URU: Ages Beyond Myst and Dr. Watson in URU: Ages Beyond Myst- To D'ni
@david21216
2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video as always! I do think you mispoke when talking about the D'ni just that I'm guessing based on the 395 year old D'ni you meant an average lifespan of 3 centuries (300) as opposed to decades (30yr old)
@@RivetingMaterial absolutely definitely not too important, it makes sense based on what you follow it up with. Great content as always 👍
@RivetingMaterial
2 жыл бұрын
@@david21216 you live up to your name
@hblackburn5580
Жыл бұрын
So PLEASE, do more Myst content! Especially on the fan made ages in Uru! But I always thought of Uru as a Myst themed Second Life, for lack of better wording. But also, my nerdy self is so happy that there is a Myst iceberg! I have the big box it originally came in, book and guide included, sitting in great condition on a shelf; my parents just wanted to get a game for us, they had no idea what they bought and I'm glad they're kinda into hoarding my childhood stuff! Seeing as this video was made this year, shows that this series will always have fans! Thanks for letting me relive my better childhood years with this very well made video! I've recently found myself replaying all of the point-and-click adventure games I grew up with, and I always come back to the series that started my fandom for this genre. Your vid is very clear and easy to understand, which is great cause there's just so much to Myst; and thanks for all the links!
@RivetingMaterial
Жыл бұрын
Of course! Thanks a ton for watching. I think eventually I'll play though myst and Riven in VR on here so stay tuned for that!
@Graham2777
Жыл бұрын
I came to the original Myst very early. I came to Uru too late - at that in between point after Live had already ended and before it's brief resurgence and unofficial servers. This video is filling in all the gaps. Thank you.
@FallenCause
Жыл бұрын
Me before watching: "oh boy, I sure cant wait to catch up with my favorite dysfunctional fantasy family. I'm sure the lore didn't get too complicated after Revelation" After: "huh." Also, I'm stoked that after learning about Myst VR I immediately went into the meta store to see it for purchase. Time to relive some nostalgia.
@Kazuo1G
2 жыл бұрын
It seems more like the reason for Sirrus and Achenar's descent into evil lies with Anna's (Ti'Ana) death. After that, the family fell apart, and each had their own way of grieving: -Atrus buried himself in his work, unknowingly neglecting Sirrus and Achenar. -Catherine stopped writing ages because she blamed herself for Anna's death (She died in one of Catherine's ages), but temporarily started again when the Moiety needed her help on Riven with their linking book to Tay (the age with the giant beehive-like tree) -Sirrus needed order in his life, to brush aside the grief, which explains his prim-and-proper rooms in the 4 remaining ages of Myst. -Achenar wanted to study the concept of death, which explains why he had weapons, poisons, torture chambers, and severed body parts in his rooms. (And why we see his bloodlust in Haven in Myst IV.)
@RivetingMaterial
2 жыл бұрын
Very eloquently put, I wasn't able to read the novels for this video but it's still high on my to do list. I also always imagined that because Achenar couldn't connect as easily with Atrus intellectually it created a very deep rift between them. Whereas Sirrus was kind of more of a cold and calculating type. Almost like Achenar got Atrus' heart and Sirrus got his mind. For all of Myst 4's shortcomings. The way it handled Achenars arc was brilliant I thought. Sirrus was able to manipulate Achenar until he had really lost his way, but once Achenar was free of outside influence he was able to find his compassion again. Sirrus only fell deeper into his anger, he felt the world still owed him something.
@GemedetAdept
2 жыл бұрын
@Riveting Material I'd love to see an iceberg video for the novel trilogy! I grew up reading Myst and never really connected with the games (plus I'm just bad at puzzles), and I'd be really excited to see someone else's interpretation and perspective of the events in the books! This may come as a surprise, but I haven't found many who have read the Myst books /s, so I'm always excited to talk about it with someone! Honestly, there's one really big retcon of the canon from the books, done for the story of the games, that I wholly dislike: the decision to change the location of The Cleft to New Mexico, of all places. Like, for one thing, the books *heavily* imply it to be somewhere in northern Africa or the Middle East (especially with the fine-grained sand dunes). And for another, it just feels disingenuous, like they did it in solely to appeal to a wider, American audience. If you do get around to making an iceberg video for the books, please feel free to shoot me a message! I have hardcover copies of all three books and can get clean pictures of any of the illustrations or passages that/if you'd want to show them!
@MeshuggahDave.
Жыл бұрын
yeah i loved the books. nice synopsis.
@Lynxdoc
Жыл бұрын
I named Eddie! Was one of the DRC Explorers/Uru Beta Testers (yes, that is me you mentioned in the video) - The college roommate was a lot like James Kirks annoying Academy student - Finagin kind of annoying and hyper I think I remember asking of one of the developers in game or it may have been Rand himself in the neighborhood of Bevin and I asked if the ball had a name and maybe Rand said I could name it if I wanted to. Also the song you are playing at the end with the woman singing you can hear in the game - I joked in the game that the song was called - Ode to Eddie and you can sort of hear her singing that if you think about it enough. I have yet to visit Cyan but would love to. By the way I LOVED Preafter! I would love to see more things like that. I love we could participate from Afar and work with people who were able to visit the real places in PreAfter. I miss Spyder too.
@RivetingMaterial
10 ай бұрын
Hey! Sorry I missed this for so long, I'm reading through a backlog of comments now. Nice to meet the origin of Eddie! Preafter and the like were a bit before my time but I'm sure the internet buzz around myst and riven was absolutely immaculate.
@ryanantranxia7044
2 ай бұрын
this was a great watch! thank you so very much. it has re-kindled my love for allthings Myst. gonna replay it from the beginning :)
@eucalyptblaze
11 ай бұрын
Awesome video man. Big myst series fan back in the day, this was such a nostalgia trip
@trapez77
Жыл бұрын
In my headcannon, you play as yourself in all of the myst games including uru cc, because time travel exists in the myst cannon. I hate the idea of the trap books not being cannon and I hate the idea of playing as dr Watson in myst 5.
@aidanbelcher5620
2 жыл бұрын
idk how but I'm impressed you've managed to put Schrodingers Cat into all of your iceberg videos
@RivetingMaterial
2 жыл бұрын
All 3 yeah I guess you're right. On the bioshock videos I got roasted for being too loose with my quantum physics lingo so I felt like I needed to go a bit harder this time. Thanks for being a concurrent viewer!
@AevnsGrandpa
Жыл бұрын
Been loving Myst since it came out. Love the books and this video was a great insight to all I thought and things I didn't know at all!! Visited a Mysterium that was held in Chicago in the early 2000's. Keep going!!
@TargetPermanent
2 ай бұрын
I'm about 10 seconds into this video. Thank you for making that prop is incredible.
@Moggetslittlesister
2 жыл бұрын
Wow, I super enjoyed this. I'm one of those people who have never played Myst before and had no plan to, but have heard about it from friends. You explained the lore really well!
@RivetingMaterial
2 жыл бұрын
Awesome, thanks so much for watching! Yeah I think even if you'd never play the games the lore is super unique and fascinating.
@GyroCoder
10 ай бұрын
Great video! I'm sorry to say I usually assume iceberg videos are all clickbait slop. But I was wrong, this video is masterfully done. I love the little puzzle-gadget you use to tune in right at the start. Riven was one of my favorite games as a kid and is sorta foundational to my sense of aesthetics.
@RivetingMaterial
10 ай бұрын
Hey thanks a lot for your comment. I don't make many iceberg videos but I really try to make them as archival and comprehensive as possible. I love the concept of a expedited way to get a comprehensive sense of an entire game series. If you enjoy the aesthetics of this channel I'd encourage you to check out some other videos, that device makes other appearances, along with another one in the same vein!
@term-827
Жыл бұрын
And as of this year, this fan project became an official remake of Riven.
@RivetingMaterial
Жыл бұрын
Very cool!
@tech6hutch
3 ай бұрын
Starry Expanse is dead. Long live Starry Expanse!
@TheDeviantGent
2 жыл бұрын
Excellent vid. Would be well up for seeing more from this channel on the new ages/story being added to Myst Online, as well as all the fan ages that have been made over the years there's regular quarterly updates to the official server with new stuff being added.
@RivetingMaterial
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah once my semesters done I'll probably spend some of the summer streaming the uru dlc and some Myst online stuff.
@RivetingMaterial
2 жыл бұрын
And thanks for watching!
@BigDaves-FarmLife
6 ай бұрын
Good video. My only actual experience with this game was as an 8 or 9 year old. I was too young to get very far in the game but always remembered the experience
@reaty05
2 жыл бұрын
The lore in myst is awesome and I already beat the first one and stuck in riven the puzzles are fascinating as an adult and some are real thought provoking
@SoundsphereRo
10 ай бұрын
i've played all games related to the MYST & URU series when I was young. even the live servers as ~ Cl0udWalK3rs~ masterpieces!
@RivetingMaterial
10 ай бұрын
I hope I was able able to drum up some nostalgia anymore
@mattsmith8160
Жыл бұрын
@10:00 You know 3 decades is only 30 years right? Did you mean to say 3 centuries?
@chucktheperson1063
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for putting the effort into making this content. Amazing to see recent youtube content of MYST lore after all the years that have past. Unfortunetly I think you are for lack of a better word, preaching to an older crowd. There is still a small fan base around but it gets smaller as the years pass.
@RussellRadio
Жыл бұрын
A lot of us younger fans were shown the games by our parents. Some of my earliest memories are playing the game with my dad on his mac. I'm 27 now, so maybe not a "younger" fan anymore.
@TheguitarmasterORZ1
2 жыл бұрын
If nothing else, the presentation in your videos is second to none!
@RivetingMaterial
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks very much! That means a lot
@DerekKnisely
2 ай бұрын
A really nice overview, and of even way more than I expected. I will check out some of your newer videos. If you've gotten better at editing/fixing mistakes before uploading, I'm betting you're making some professional-style videos by now. 👍
@LiamsEntertainmentFranchise
Ай бұрын
Watching this after getting back into this series again because of the Riven remake (which was spectacular, I have nitpicks but it is spectacular) and the segment on the Starry Expanse project makes me so happy. I've been following that project since they first started in like 2010. I was trying to find a way to play the game, and there just wasn't any. It wasn't on Steam and no official release of it was supported by modern hardware. I actually met one of the guys who started the project on a film set or something and he talked about their team and the progress they were making and I remember thinking "oh man it's going to take them forever but it's gonna be so goddamn good when it comes out." I checked their blog for years and it almost felt like checking George RR Martin's blog for updates on The Winds of Winter, for a while there I wasn't sure if they'd ever finish it. But they did it! It's finally done, and it's everything I hoped it would be.
@RivetingMaterial
Ай бұрын
@@LiamsEntertainmentFranchise can't wait to play it myself!
@radwolf76
2 ай бұрын
I'm over two years late to this party but here's two more Iceberg-worthy concepts: "The Book of the Black Ships" and "MagiQuest Online".
@marvinhall9462
4 ай бұрын
I have the three books that were released in hardback, I love them and re-read them every so often
@donsurlylyte
8 ай бұрын
myst was groundbreaking, riven was the masterpiece
@braendyn
Жыл бұрын
does decade mean something different in the Myst Lore? "the average d'ni's lifespan is about three decades, and the oldest d'ni lived almost 400 years" so was decade stated when century wast meant? Or is the infant mortality rate among d'ni so high that it brings the potential lifespan of 400 years for an individual down to a racial average of 30 years?
@RivetingMaterial
Жыл бұрын
Haha, yeah I wish I had a more interesting answer but I simply misspoke while recording and didn't catch it until the video was up. I meant century
@braendyn
Жыл бұрын
@@RivetingMaterial its a great video and wonderful information, i just genuinely got puzzled. sorry if it seemed a certain way in the asking.
@RivetingMaterial
Жыл бұрын
@@braendyn Not at all, very polite and a needed clarification indeed!
@ogchaxzor3562
2 ай бұрын
It's a good thing Disney didn't get Myst. What a train wreck that would have been.
@crossfitlunatic
3 ай бұрын
Great deep dive on Myst related lore!
@graizur
2 жыл бұрын
I was surprised by how efficient the 7 minutes are, you got through all the games very efficiently. Deep dives on MYST stuff are notoriously difficult because of existential limitations in the simulation itself.
@imacardboardbox
Жыл бұрын
Okay, yeah, I'm hooked. It seems like such a cool game series and I hope I'll get to play it sometime. Thanks for recommending it to me and thanks for making such a good video!
@RivetingMaterial
Жыл бұрын
You're taking the riveting material tour card!
@imacardboardbox
Жыл бұрын
@@RivetingMaterial I cannot stop. It has consumed me
@PatristicArcana
2 жыл бұрын
The deep stuff is fun to muse on, and there's much more: e.g., Corlam = Rijus, etc.
@RivetingMaterial
2 жыл бұрын
Can't say I'm familiar but thanks for watching. Maybe part 2 will feature it
@PatristicArcana
2 жыл бұрын
This particular instance was my pet theory, introduced waaaay back when the Riven Lyst was still a thing, which has to do with cross-referencing details regarding characters from The Book of Atrus and The Book of Ti'ana. I like the implications. Thanks again for putting this video together.
@RivetingMaterial
2 жыл бұрын
@@PatristicArcana and thanks again for watching. I really enjoyed putting it together and I'm looking forward to making stuff more like it!
@Nodux359
2 жыл бұрын
Still one of my favorite gaming series!
@DoctorEviloply
Жыл бұрын
I thought the Myst books were really great and added a lot to the lore of the games. It's a shame not many people have read them. And even the big omnibus collecting all three books are hard to find now.
@Bunny99s
8 ай бұрын
D'ni numberals are actually a mix of base 5 and base 25. The symbols itself act like a normal base 25 system as explained in the video. However the symbols itself can already be composed of two symbols (1-4), but the higher power is rotated 90° counter clockwise. That's why the symbol for "9" is a rotated "1" which signifies 5 plus a 4. So it essentially is a base 5 system, but they group two digits into one symbol. So the decimal number 209 would be 1314 in base 5. Though as I said the 1 and 3 as well as the 1 and 4 are represented in one symbol each. The higher number is rotated counter clockwise by 90 and the lower number is just added. So you only have to remember 4 symbols (5 when you include zero) instead of 24 (25 with zero). The way the "process" to read those numbers is described kinda strange. This is just how our decimal numbers work as well (when we talk about the base 25 system). That's how pretty much any base numeral systems work. In computer science we often use the hexa-decimal system because, just like the 5 and 25, the 16 based system nicely maps to the base 2 system that computers are using under the hood. With hexadecimal you can represent exactly 4 binary digits with just one digit. The decimal system uses powers of 10 (1,10,100,1000,...). Hexadecimal uses powers of 16 (1,16,256,4096,...) and the D'ni numerals use powers of 5(1,5,25,125,625,...) or 25 (1,25,625,15625,...) Of course we humans are used to base 10 and want / need to convert other number systems to base 10 so our intuition works. However if you're actually familiar with a different number system, you would not need to "convert" anything as that's the numbers you're working with. Just a quick example of a base 5 system addition of two numbers 12014 (dec 904) +01342 (dec 222) ------------- 13411 (dec 1126) You can add them as normal from right to left. Just keep in mind that the highest number is 4. So adding 1 to 4 gives you "10" (5 in decimal). So you get a carry to the next place.
@RivetingMaterial
8 ай бұрын
Woah, that's super cool. Thanks for the in depth explanation. It's such a detailed system
@pedestrianandroid
5 ай бұрын
Wow I wish I was smart enough to follow all that! Have you read Decoding the Mayas?
@Bunny99s
5 ай бұрын
@@pedestrianandroid Nope, I have not :) I just learned programming at the age of 11 and I love math and different number systems. Myst was actually my very first PC game and I still have all my notes on paper in a folder :) Though most stuff I still have in my head (02:40, 221, 59, 427, 8-20-23-13-6, ..., even the fireplace pattern). It's engraved in my mind. As a kid I wasn't allowed to spend hours on the PC, so it took me a long time to get through the game. I've drawn maps of all the ages, including the underground train tracks, the full network :)
@Ephraim225
Жыл бұрын
You could call this the Ice Age But that would be a pun, those tend to break linking books
@MikeVonwolkenstein
2 жыл бұрын
I love the iceberg! Good video!
@RivetingMaterial
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@anyoldwhimsybymimzy
3 ай бұрын
The only issue with the "Prison Book until the link is severed" theory is the canonical timeline. Atrus's Riven journal specifies that the Stranger freed him from K'veer on or in the week prior to 87.7.13 (the previous entry was made 87.7.7). Sirrus's Spire journal begins 87.5.25, so we know that he is cogent and physically on Spire prior to Atrus's release and subsequent destruction of the red & blue books on Myst.
@RivetingMaterial
3 ай бұрын
@@anyoldwhimsybymimzy great point! It never occured to me to check dates like that. Then again if Sirrus has experienced amnesia of his time in the prison book then he would've felt the link was instantaneous and therefore would've failed to account for whatever time he spend in the trap state
@anyoldwhimsybymimzy
3 ай бұрын
That's an absolutely valid point. I did a bit more snooping around and found a little more info. For the D'ni journal date system, we know there are 10 months/year and 29 days/month Presuming that the Stranger rescued Atrus at the earliest possible date (87.7.8) and Sirrus made his first journal entry the day he arrived on Spire, his dates are offset by 41 days. If the Stranger didn't show up until later that week or Sirrus waited a few days before writing, it would be even longer. But presuming the smallest possible amount of time, Sirrus date = Real date - 41. From Atrus's Serenia journal, we know that the events of Revelations happen on 105.7.2, which would mean Sirrus would think it's 105.5.11. However, he doesn't note finding the correct frequencies until 105.5.28. Now, it's entirely possible that someone corrected Sirrus's faulty date assumption after they made contact again, with him attributing the variance to spending 15 years on his own (I guess in the scheme of it, losing track of a month and a half doesn't seem so strange?). I'm not trying to kill the theory, just point out that there are as many issues with it as there are with the actual retcon. I WILL say that that the precise timeline would be way easier to figure out if anyone else bothered to date their journals. Yeah, I'm looking at you Catherine, Achenar, and Yeesha.
@RivetingMaterial
3 ай бұрын
@@anyoldwhimsybymimzy lol, awesome that you took the time to break that whole thing down. It does seem feasible, albeit slightly fudged from a numbers stand point. I just think trap books are really just interesting and should be considered cannon. Thanks for improving my understanding of them though! I'll be able to pull this data out during a later debate
@Kazuo1G
2 жыл бұрын
I know this is a month later, but there's something that needs to be cleared up with your additions to the non-attributed theory I posted on reddit. Kadish never made a time machine. It was a gargantuan machine, yes, but it was made to fool others, had it been completed. In short, a prophet prophesied the coming of one who could restore the D'ni civilization if it fell: The Grower. Who it was, was never specified. (It could be Atrus or it could be Yeesha, based on interpretation, or neither.) The idea became popular, and a new religious-like group was formed to await the coming of this prophesied individual. Kadish was part of this group; he desired so much to be the Grower of the legend, that he used his abilities as an age writer, puzzlemaker and a master of illusion and falsehoods to build a machine containing 4 biomes, representing states of the previous D'ni homeworld, Garternay: 1. Alive and thriving 2. Bereft of life, decaying 3. Destroyed and shattered 4. Rebuilt, thanks to the Grower "powers" of Kadish, and him being worshipped for it. The idea was that he created the *illusion* that he could travel through time, and later, portray himself as the legendary Grower by appearing to restore their previous world. Of course, Kadish never completed it, and he died in his vault, but the question still stands as to whether or not an alternate version of Kadish was actually saved and is now free, and if he is actually Esher.
@RivetingMaterial
2 жыл бұрын
Wow! Thanks you for clarifying that. Still a brilliant theory
@aquanaut5285
7 ай бұрын
This is awesome. But at 20:00 , I seem to recall there being a piece of Myst literature from the time (pre-Riven) which said that the Myst linking book was found in a Chicago library. The New Mexico lore was added later - sort of retconning the origin into a narrative more cohesive with the other games. Not sure if it was Mandela effect but pretty sure such a book existed.
@RivetingMaterial
7 ай бұрын
I'm not familiar but I'd be super curious to learn more about it!
@T-MAX_X-H
5 ай бұрын
Not a Mandela Effect, MYST had a strategy guide that was written from the perspective of the player about their experience going to MYST Island and the other ages. The one line I distinctly remember reading in the beginning of that guide (from the player character perspective), was: “One minute I’m just a guy in the San Francisco Public Library…”
@aquanaut5285
5 ай бұрын
@@T-MAX_X-H That was it!
@drygnfyre
3 ай бұрын
@@aquanaut5285 Yup, I still that book. The first half was basically a novella that would hint at the solutions but not outright tell you, the second half was just step-by-step. And indeed, the story begins with a guy in San Francisco finding the book. The original game didn't make it clear the D'Ni (at least the part that Atrus was in) was planet Earth. (It was also spelled "Dunny" in the original release.) So the first game really didn't have a lot of things set in stone yet.
@danielash1704
2 ай бұрын
I loved uruonline as I had many different locations and friends to share with me
@minamur
2 жыл бұрын
the d'ni number system works exactly like ours, just the base is 25.
@FelrinKirla
8 ай бұрын
Never realized they had base 25 numeric systems. That's wild to think about.
@RivetingMaterial
8 ай бұрын
If you organize comments by recent, the one before yours gives an even more in depth breakdown of their number system than I did. It's really interesting
@JeffersonCasavant
3 ай бұрын
209 is a solid choice of number for an example.
@alexwells6267
2 жыл бұрын
You did a fantastic job, thank you for this! Have you listened to Audio Trial 31 Age Four yet? Where do you think that might fall on the iceberg?
@RivetingMaterial
2 жыл бұрын
I haven't! I'll remember to look it up and reply to your comment when I do! Not many additions to the iceberg so good on ya!
@danielash1704
2 ай бұрын
I still have the rabbit hole floppy disk and IBM operating systems that have a good old fashioned sense of the game called trap room and a independent character in the mindset being in a room with clues to follow up on
@germanwolf9212
3 ай бұрын
Are you perhaps going to make a video only about the art and its intricacies sometime in the future? As a kid I thought Atrus could create new ages out of nothing. I never knew that the Myst lore went that deep but I really enjoyed playing Msyt III. I also played Riven but can't remember anything. With the series being remade I will maybe give it another go.
@Lynxdoc
9 ай бұрын
The DRC was basically an in-universe stand in for the game developers
@callumprice1710
3 ай бұрын
I just want to add a thing about the numbers. Dni is base 5 (our numbers of 1-10 are base ten) not base 25. But it is weird. If you look every time a 5 is reached, instead a copy of a number is added to the symbol and rotated 90 degrees. For example, 13 is the number 2 rotated 90 degrees along with the number 3 not rotated.
@michaelbradford6990
5 ай бұрын
pretty cool opener!
@RivetingMaterial
5 ай бұрын
thanks!
@TheExileFox
3 ай бұрын
Few days ago, Riven in 3d was released on Steam
@lightknightgames
2 ай бұрын
If I ever time travel, I'm going to play Uru on release
@Lynxdoc
Жыл бұрын
The D'ni kinda remind me of Time Lords in Doctor Who Lore
@regularshowman3208
Жыл бұрын
As someone who has only played the first three games and part of Uru before giving up on Uru, I must say. Fascinating, very in depth world building, what the fuck is wrong with the Miller brothers. That shit about the rock and the ship and the wavelengths made my head explode. Also, my biggest hot take is that a Riven remake is entirely unncessary (no offense to what I imagine has been extremely intensive, careful work on the remake over the last 13 years) because Riven itself already looks perfect in every way possible. The VR might be nice though.
@RivetingMaterial
Жыл бұрын
I hope the way I described it made at least a little bit of sense!
@regularshowman3208
Жыл бұрын
@@RivetingMaterial You did the best you could quite frankly. Fascinating stuff all the same. I joke about there being something deeply wrong with the Miller brothers but this is all genuinely next level shit in terms of worldbuilding.
@Jaggith
Ай бұрын
Curious, have you played the Riven remake now? Is your opinion still the same? Haha. I thought it was fantastic, and a very welcome remake.
@regularshowman3208
Ай бұрын
@@Jaggith Nah, I'm sure it's high quality but I just have no interest in a full 3D remake of Riven, I like the original the way it is with all its beautiful pre-rendered backgrounds.
@alexissercho
Жыл бұрын
Great work! as an idea of a video Iceberg of the Zork series :)
@RivetingMaterial
Жыл бұрын
Never played zork but I might give it a try
@alexissercho
Жыл бұрын
Zork 123, return to zork, zork nemesis, zork grand inquisitor. Just as a hint, Zork nemesis game had a MAIN hidden clue in their physical manual, Hardcore at it's best. (A number to progress the main story!) in other words: took me months to find it out! (There were no internet back then to search!)
@karmaduq
Жыл бұрын
10:00 Centuries, not decades
@RivetingMaterial
Жыл бұрын
Correct, I misspoke
@DrSoda.
8 ай бұрын
Never thought I'd find something this cool. God bless. Jesus loves you!
@co0ki3M0NstAr
10 ай бұрын
Only 30 seconds in and I love the intro very nice 🤓👍❤️
@RivetingMaterial
10 ай бұрын
Thank ya!
@MeshuggahDave.
Жыл бұрын
it all began in that cleft... a long long time ago.
@itslocked1930
2 жыл бұрын
This was great! I love the explanation of everything. But I thought D’ni was pronounced “dunny” and Tomahnah is “toe-mah-nuh”. Again I could be wrong, could anyone clear this up for me?
@RivetingMaterial
2 жыл бұрын
D'ni was originally intended to be pronounced "dunny" but an Australian friend of the Miller brothers informed them that "dunny" was a common term for "toilet" in Australia. I believe that's a totally fine way to pronounce Tomonah.
@itslocked1930
2 жыл бұрын
@@RivetingMaterial thank you for responding so quickly! That was very helpful!
@SleepyEye32
2 жыл бұрын
Love the content keep up the good work!!
@RivetingMaterial
2 жыл бұрын
You honor me Puffin
@emilyrln
11 ай бұрын
Myst fandom is best fandom change my mind 😂
@danielash1704
2 ай бұрын
You could imagine the moon as a good place for a person's heighth prisoner of the ages
@PBRCN-br5sv
3 ай бұрын
l wish l could play them all for the first time again… ❤
@Darakai
Жыл бұрын
Great Video, enjoyed it.
@RivetingMaterial
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching it!
@mackenziedelrey3699
2 жыл бұрын
shorah! love me some moul! epic informative video!
@RivetingMaterial
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks very much for watching!
@MrBenMcLean
2 ай бұрын
"three decades" -- didn't you mean three centuries? The three decade lifespan is in the Shadow Saga by Orson Scott Card. Myst had the three century lifespan.
@danielash1704
2 ай бұрын
Who knows maybe the whole thing is fiction but I don't agree on that side of the story because it can be a bridge of the universe itself as a character reference to thinking correctly about the processes of writing an age of science fiction into facts that are so sepertistical in their own character of intelligence itself the government's role in the world is not a good idea to consider when the first starting point of the world is written in stone age of humanity
@MyOldTapes
2 жыл бұрын
"The Dn'i have an average lifespan of 3 decades" Damn, that's not that long.
@RivetingMaterial
2 жыл бұрын
Yes, as you could probably tell I misspoke. 3 centuries. There's always a mistake, but thanks for watching anyways!
@danielash1704
2 ай бұрын
Who knows .Maybe the Bahro was the actual teacher of earth's history of the universe itself ❤
Kings quest and all the presto compact floppy was thrown away from someone else who didn't know what they where.😮😅😅😅
@zakariyajeffali6520
Жыл бұрын
10:01 you meant centuries right ?
@RivetingMaterial
Жыл бұрын
I did... Sometimes you don't catch a miss speech like that until the videos up!
@brianskee
2 ай бұрын
I always thought it was pronounced "Dunny" XD And their lifespan is three centuries not three decades.
@danielash1704
2 ай бұрын
In uru the spheres was the result of a single linkage between spheres that turned you consider that the book is the same location but different exterior water space statue crystals water falls in an large age of Corona past
@connorcalhoun1572
2 жыл бұрын
Cool been waiting for this
@RivetingMaterial
2 жыл бұрын
Happy to deliver Conner!
@STRAYmediaTV
Ай бұрын
"myst V is unique for using roman numerals in the title" *looks at 3 til 5*
@rgerber
Ай бұрын
amazing video in itself but that flickering background ......
@Mitsoxfan
2 ай бұрын
That sound...
@veru6907
2 жыл бұрын
Wow a month late, I guess I must have overslept lol, great video tho!
@RivetingMaterial
2 жыл бұрын
Fashionably late Veru, fashionably late
@veru6907
2 жыл бұрын
@@RivetingMaterial In my defence - I have been refreshing the channel for some time after you finished your marathon, and then when I stopped stupid KZitem wouldn't give me a notification you posted!
@RivetingMaterial
2 жыл бұрын
@@veru6907 the algorithm doesn't like me and will probably continue to not like me as long as I keep up this variety of content. Which I fully intend to, however hopefully I will be able to start some series over the summer. I have one planned for lost/obscure media for instance
@veru6907
2 жыл бұрын
@@RivetingMaterial It doesn't like me as well, it robbed me of this absolutely superb video! At least I can watch it now, and even I learned something new from it (the Atrus' donuts easter egg being my favorite lol) I'll be eagerly awaiting the series! Hopefully this time KZitem doesn't screw me and tells me when you post... Also if you plan on streaming again I'm always down to join whenever I have the time
@RivetingMaterial
2 жыл бұрын
@@veru6907 sure thing! I'm planning on streaming over the summer. If you haven't joined the discord I highly recommend it. I try to post there whenever I upload and I plan on adding a stream announcement channel. The link is on my channel page.
@sawilliams
Жыл бұрын
I played Myst on and off since 1993 and I still don’t understand the story!
@anti-ethniccleansing465
3 ай бұрын
9:58 This doesn’t make sense at all. The average lifespan for D’ni is 30 years, yet the oldest D’ni lived 400 years??? That seriously doesn’t make any sense at all!
@RivetingMaterial
3 ай бұрын
@@anti-ethniccleansing465 misspoke, said decades instead of centuries. Didn't catch it till the video was done
@anti-ethniccleansing465
3 ай бұрын
@@RivetingMaterial Ah! Okay, thanks for responding! Mistakes do happen. I’m glad you cleared it up because I really was scratching my head on that one lol.
@dexterWES
5 ай бұрын
I never understood how the presence of technology and machines in the various ages is explained
@Jiraius
3 ай бұрын
For the most part, it could just be, "This Age has X machines for Y purpose. In Riven, Ghen had to build most of everything himself
@dexterWES
3 ай бұрын
@@Jiraius makes sense, thank you! This makes it even more eerie and surreal, pretty cool:)
@Jiraius
3 ай бұрын
@@dexterWES Anytime! Additionally, there are ages like Taghira (spelling) which were barren wastelands that were used as Prison Ages. The structures you come across there were constructed by the prisoners who have come and gone. Ages like Stoneship were written by Atrus that contained the things that they did cause of The Art.
@chaosphoenixhex
8 ай бұрын
*Icy, not icey
@OnlyOneTubing
Жыл бұрын
theres 35 D'ni Letter also.
@lloydbeatz4259
2 ай бұрын
at 10:00 you say "the average D'ni lifespan is about 3 decades" I think you meant 3 centuries.
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