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@iraelliott8936
Күн бұрын
I don't see how the nameless things could be older than Sauron or Gandalf. Sauron and Gandalf were present with Iluvatar when the world was sang into existence
@traceygamer20
Күн бұрын
I know Tolkien never wrote it, but I have a theory. That things were in the Void before the Timeless Halls and Eü, things as old as Erü but not all powerful like Erü, but also outside of his power. And that after Arda was formed, they wormed into the circles of the world, slinking into the deep places under shadow in the earliest days, deeper and deeper until they came to the very roots of the world. They aren't evil, they just ARE the opposite of Erü's creationism; nihilism I guess. Making them older than Sauron and Melkor. It's probably a good thing they're down there and not up on the surface or too close to "the deepest delving of the Dwarves". They're is a letter by Tolkien I believe, about Ungoliant, where he says that maybe Ungoliant is a personification of the Void and it's hunger, so it wouldn't be too out of the question I think. They could also be the manifestation of Melkor's contempt, hatred, jealousy, malice, rebellion, and evil that he put into his chords during the Ainurlindale. The Ainurlindale didn't make Eü and Arda, Erü made those BASED OFF the Ainurlindale they sung. Hence why there is some cruelty in the world. But I'd like a game set in these deep slimy lightless chasms and caverns😊
@christophermetzger8183
Күн бұрын
@traceygamer20 I would agree with this interpretation. Those creatures where created from songs sung by Melkor. Personifications of the worst parts buried deep in the roots of the world. Perhaps parts of them had existed before creation in the void, finally given form by Melkor's song.
@landofalwayswinter666
Күн бұрын
Well, “Sauron” didn’t always exist from the beginning, Mairon did. “Gandalf” didn’t exist until a millennium into the 3rd age. Not sure if that’s what was meant but it’s one angle from which it could be correct.
@grigoriofabrosi1638
23 сағат бұрын
@@traceygamer20 A good take. Also important to remind ourselves that this is all fiction, so we will never know exactly who/what/where/when/why/how everything is, just as J.R.R. Tolkien didn't know it all either, as he first sketched, then fleshed out his creation; only having the span of a normal human life to contemplate and update his work. I sense a lot of metaphor here too, as well as some concepts likely borrowed (consciously or not) from H.P. Lovecraft's recurring themes and characters. Even if Tolkien could have lived three lifespans, I suspect he would continue to develop, refine, then reevaluate and alter a variety of thins, while we, of only one lifespan, would not live to see the end. Those born much later would probably still encounter a vast store of lore that was yet not complete.
@iraelliott8936
20 сағат бұрын
@@landofalwayswinter666 Gandalf was originally known as Olorin and was there as long as Mairon aka Sauron
@alkiro_ra
2 күн бұрын
In my opinion these could be the remnants of Melcor's discord that he did during the creating of Arda.
@darrellparris3549
Күн бұрын
This makes the most sense. Otherwise where else did they come from. Unless Eru made them first. 🤔
@meatloaf7765
2 күн бұрын
Dam! The artwork you're using is amazing!
@tolkiensrealm1
2 күн бұрын
Thank you!
@tomdreler6528
2 күн бұрын
I would've wished some more (of your) well-educated speculation. To me, it seems Like they are in some substantial ways related to Ungolianth, who also crawled Out of the primordial darkness
@alanaspinall7147
2 күн бұрын
They sound almost lovecraften🤔
@erclsr
4 сағат бұрын
That's how they're interpreted in Lord of the Rings Online. There are weird alien creatures way down at the bottom of the endless stair in moria
@alfredgpogo5032
2 күн бұрын
I’ve been through the desert on a thing with no name…
@traceygamer20
Күн бұрын
Oooo do tell
@nobodyknows9937
Күн бұрын
@@traceygamer20 the ocean is a desert with its life undergrouns
@RevanBartus
2 күн бұрын
Take a shot each time he says gnaw.
@lucasv.drunen3384
2 күн бұрын
Tolkiens world is actually so thinly grazed trough on the big screen, and its such a shame. i mean i guess we have rings of power now wich just does not do tolkien justice imo. this video however..
@franciswalsh8416
23 сағат бұрын
Gandalf indicates that the Balrog was almost a "comfort" A being he understood that he needed to chase. What confronted them both made even the Balrog look "ordinary" as a foe to be understood. Was even the Balrog afraid? Gandalf does not say this outright, but who knows??
@GabrielMDNA
2 күн бұрын
Just a little glimpse of Lovecraft in Tolkien's legendarium
@hyperchord
2 күн бұрын
Evil by their mere presence or by their deeds?
@FairyWeatherMan
Күн бұрын
Lions and Tigers and Bears
@vasp99
2 күн бұрын
Looks like Eru Illuvatar is indeed the monster that Melkur always claimed He was and that Eru wanted evil and terror and suffering for Arda . Melkur was right all along .
@christophermetzger8183
Күн бұрын
I was under the impression that these creature we song into being by Melkor when his part of the song was sung in counter point to the love and harmony sung by the rest of the Valar. He wove greed, jealousy and hatred into the world.
@vasp99
Күн бұрын
@@christophermetzger8183 Eru created Melkor in his own image and set him loose on that world. I don't give the creator and enabler of monsters a pass . Melkor was right to hate Eru .
@christophermetzger8183
Күн бұрын
@vasp99 Melkor had free will. He was made in the image of his father, Eru Illuvatar, but his actions are his own. Perhaps Eru could have spent more time shaping Melkor maybe Melkor would not turn out to be such a petty child. I don't know, but Melkor decide early on to try and trash the song of creation and the world of Arada. I never ready silmarillion so I don't know Melkor motivation.
@vasp99
Күн бұрын
@@christophermetzger8183 there's no such thing as free will in Tolkien's version of the Old Testament . Eru's intensely sadistic treatment of humanity is straight out of Sodom and Gamorrah . Everything other than the fall of Numenor is decorative . Tolkien may never have admitted to hating god but everything he wrote depicts intentional suffering inflicted by a creator on his creations . The Valar are pathetic milksops who just can't rescue middle earth because that's the way the creator created his creation . Tolkien saw the horrors of life and tried to stamp an acceptable reason for those horrors . Tolkien utterly failed to do so .
@dawnerwin2097
2 күн бұрын
New images are good
@MimiMimi-yj4kl
2 күн бұрын
So where's smaug come from?
@raymondvalasquez3992
2 күн бұрын
Dragons came from Sauron's master, Morgoth/Melkor.
@traceygamer20
Күн бұрын
Ahem. Smaug came from the Forodwaith (North Wastes in Sindaran I believe). Plenty of Dragons live up there actually. Dragons sacked a few Dwarf strongholds and colonies in the Ered Mithrin (Grey Mountains) before Smaug came down. They're up there because Melkor bred the race of Dragons in the First Age, starting with the wingless Glaorun, then the winged Dragons during the War of Wrath at the end of the First Age. When Melkor was beaten, his forces scattered to far away places or dark places they could hide. The Dragons went Forod. Smaug is also not the last Dragon. He's the last GREAT Dragon. There are still dragons living up there, much weaker then Smaug or Ancalagon the Black (greatest winged Dragon ever), but still up there. They most likely die off tho before the 5th Age, maybe early 4th Age
@sebastian_frodo9209
19 сағат бұрын
I always thought of their origin as Melkors disruption and curruption as Arda was formed. When he brought his own influence in while the other Valar worked together. And twisted things in the foundation of the world itself.
@Adiscretefirm
17 сағат бұрын
So what or who were the hordes of orcs that took over Moria eating? There weren't settlements nearby to raid, they certainly aren't farmers and there is no mention of Mordor's logistics corps arranging wagon convoys to such far off outposts
@sirguy6678
2 сағат бұрын
Excellent video! As Love craft said “ indescribable “ ….
@DonBetong
6 сағат бұрын
I am probably not the only one who thinks of lovecraftian monsters when listening to this. It is the greatest kind of horror - the nameless, ancient beings so alien to us is that we can only imagine the archaic horror.
@inarord8169
Күн бұрын
Nameless children of Ilúvatar
@TheLordUrban
22 сағат бұрын
My head canon is that they are Fraggles.
@laomei1855
10 сағат бұрын
Did I hear a Rock and Stone?
@davidmccoy2335
7 сағат бұрын
gnaw
@Casmaniac
23 сағат бұрын
2:10 which race in Middle Earth has six fingers on their hands? lol
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