There's not a ton of Information on the Daemon King, but based on the timeline I piece together in the video, its fair to assume that at the height of his power, he was likely far more powerful than Khorne or Nurgle. Slaanesh didn't exist yet, but we could also assume he was more powerful than them considering they are considered the weakest god. He came to a stalemate with an unshattered tzeentch which is absolutely bonkers to me.
@everydaypeople3197
Жыл бұрын
Just a casual enjoyer here but I know a bit of lore on a fair bit of everything, So for a stalemate with fucking Tzeentch now that is some serious 4th dimensional warp fuckery right there.
@heeman1203
Жыл бұрын
Are demon princes inherently beneath Greater demons? I thought they were more or less the same and it depended more on the individual demon than how they came into being. I certainly can't see any greater demons outranking Angron, Magnus, Mortarian, Or Fulgrim.
@Staccet
Жыл бұрын
To my knowledge the Daemon King was killed in the conflict. Daemon king is interesting-ish concept but can't have too many godlike daemons mucking about. I mean what is the point of having gods if you can just overthrow them. I'd rather see GW expand on terrors, xenos or warp, of the Halo Stars, terrors that aren't the basic chaos daemon "Gimme your soul" type. Warp has other entities and it would be nice see something new come out of the non-Chaos parts of the Warp.
@JohnDoe-us2jr
Жыл бұрын
Nice video , and the channel is great. But there’s one thing that should be considered. Tzeench peak power was at another time . He’s power was ever growing up until the point in which Khorn , Nurgle and Slaanesh got together to atack him. Reason being that Tzeench accumulated power pretty much unchecked until this fight with the other 3 gods. When there was only Khorn and Nurgle . Either the two gods thought he wasn’t such a treat by then or they didn’t have enough power to atack him. So if the the fight was before the birth of Slaanesh then Tzeench was powerful when he battled this demon king . But he was probably considerably weaker than when he was fighting the other 3 chaos gods . Nonetheless it’s still pretty impressive for this demon king to fight Tzeench pre shattering.
@georgemiller7717
Жыл бұрын
I’ve actually got a lot of ideas for you, I was hoping you had a page on Facebook or something I could contact you on. As KZitem comment section is crap for the things I have in mind.
@isaacbenrubi9613
Жыл бұрын
Imagine being so angry at one of your lieutenants that the only thing you can think of doing is choking the sense out of him, then yeeting him so hard that he becomes an astronomic anomaly.
@JS-mu9qd
Жыл бұрын
Yeah it was kind of a clever move from Tzeentch to increase Skarbrand's hubris in order to get him to turn against Khorne. Skarbrand became just to powerful and always defeated the other daemons.
@MasterCommandCEO
Жыл бұрын
literally lmfao
@dreamcatcherben8214
Жыл бұрын
Just as planned
@dididi3368
Жыл бұрын
i imagined it like something like homer chocking bart.
@Molcos429
Жыл бұрын
Great now all i can think of is khorne making a huge homer "yeeet!" When he throws him 🤣
@bensilk6431
Жыл бұрын
While it is very impressive that he fought Tzeentch for that long, it was Tzeentch. The whole thing could have been a massive deception.
@brocrow1266
Жыл бұрын
Or part of tzeentchs plan
@Aerowarrier
Жыл бұрын
Hell it might have been literally just to keep his siblings from trying to team up and kill him over the power of the staff lol
@Sinclairelim
Жыл бұрын
@@Aerowarrier Or maybe a provocation. "Hey look, even this dude can't kill me, you better team up or you stand no chance!" maybe Tzeentch wanted to be dethroned for whatever reason.
@kira68200
Жыл бұрын
@@Sinclairelim it's fucking Tzeensch, there is no reasons and at the same time an infinite number of reasons
@brok56
Жыл бұрын
@@kira68200 JUST AS PLANNED! NYAHAHAHAHAA
@Orderdrake
Жыл бұрын
Wow! It would be so cool to me if they kept going with the Daemon King and hinted he still is around slowly building back up, like the "5th Chaos God, Malal".
@liamerolduffy7738
Жыл бұрын
I think it would be more badass if he was a former lieutenant of Malal, but got tired of his idiot lazy master who got himself banished from reality into the void (aka the retcon zone) so he decided to rebuild his power until he becomes strong enough to devour Malal, kill him off for good, and become the new 5th chaos god of Anarchy.
@frizzank
Жыл бұрын
Definitely isn't Malice.
@liamerolduffy7738
Жыл бұрын
@@frizzank Then what is it?
@liamerolduffy7738
Жыл бұрын
@@frizzank never mind, I remembered that it was god of Chaos and Anarchy, I’ll fix it.
@comradesam3382
Жыл бұрын
Malal just seems like the god of depression man, he just want everyone including himself to die
@sol_ab143
Жыл бұрын
Anything that has the title stronger than the chaos gods has my 100% attention
@Storiaron
Жыл бұрын
Good. That means the God emperor if mankind has your undivided attention. Good
@orrorsaness5942
Жыл бұрын
@@Storiaron Amen
@christiandauz3742
Жыл бұрын
Emperor couldn't even unify Terra by himself
@dogge4649
Жыл бұрын
@@christiandauz3742 its all the god emperor's plan heretic
@christiandauz3742
Жыл бұрын
@@dogge4649 Sure... even though he couldn't even beat Pharaa'gueotla on his own
@Voshie13
Жыл бұрын
Be a pretty cool conspiracy theory if the Daemon king revived as the emperor when feeling the shamans combining there power. Further empowering the beginning of his new life also would explain a lot of how the emperor knew how to enter the warp, and make deals with the chaos gods.
@Dakblasta
Жыл бұрын
It would be really lame if they came out and said that’s the case
@fijipodd
Жыл бұрын
@@Dakblasta it would be really lame if that were true, but I'll be damned if it isn't fun to come up with theories like.
@julianhermanez1694
Жыл бұрын
It is really lame if that came to fruition
@theenderdestruction2362
Жыл бұрын
That really wouldn't explain why the emperor loved mankind then.... What did the guy see mankind at first nothing but as slaves but then grew to love them?
@martinschlegel1823
8 ай бұрын
Yes mister inquisitor, I want to report a heretic.
@guywholikesmemes4993
Жыл бұрын
To follow up on chaos based stuff that isn't well known.....malice? He is canon afterall, even if his previous interpretation of malal isn't.
@weshammer
Жыл бұрын
He is on my list :)
@guywholikesmemes4993
Жыл бұрын
@@weshammer les gooooooooooooooooo
@memesofwarhemmer7076
Жыл бұрын
@@weshammer death to the false gods Death to khorne let his blood and skull rest Death to Tzeench let his skims and plans stop Death to nurgle let his flesh and plague burn 🔥 Death to slannesh let her pleasure and pain die Death to the dark gods let the galaxy burn . For malice War cry of a son of malice follower.
@hardbassdoge8750
Жыл бұрын
Shout-out to malice gotta be my favorite chaos character from aesthetic alone
@theodorixjohnson4336
Жыл бұрын
@@weshammer ngl I really REALLY hope malal or some form of it becomes canon with the tau entering the warp
@memesofwarhemmer7076
Жыл бұрын
Be’Lakor: we got competition brother Daniel: call the demon Primarchs, because this might get ugly.
@Runeclaw
Жыл бұрын
In good old Warhammer Fantasy, there were a Daemon King named Tz'Arkan in the Mallus Darkblade comic/novels. "Mallus, sometimes you scare even me, and I am a demon king..." "Shut up demon"
@phanCAbe
Жыл бұрын
So glad you switched to longer videos, hopefully your numbers will continue to rise!
@GlaDi02
Жыл бұрын
he has a nice voice, good vibe and looks like a fellow nerd. Ye. Numbers will grow.
@rezidentskarbrand3104
Жыл бұрын
This sounds like the God Emperor to me, think about it. So powerful to challenge the Gods of Chaos, his followers built a throne world for him after he was defeated, and his "demons" were able to survive in the Materium. Perhaps this is the future to be for the God Emperor or his previous existence, considering that in the Warp everything is and isn't at the same time.
@ruyman90
Жыл бұрын
Maybe an earlier version of the Emperor from another species. For us human it would be just like another daemon but it might as well be a super advanced civilization that tried to defeat chaos on their own and tried to top the strongest.
@thomasdorner562
Жыл бұрын
I really like the idea, but there is a slight gap. This entity is connected to Tzeentch, whereas the God Emperor would more be a new entity not connected to any one of the chaos gods specifically (I think, not entirely sure on the details of his rumored deal with choas). Although the irrelevance of time did make me think.. If the Emperor would ever want to challenge the choas gods he might have to do it facing each one of them at their primes...
@jeyeldc4423
11 ай бұрын
Yes Mr Inquisitor. this man right here
@martinschlegel1823
8 ай бұрын
So, do we burn this heretic or what?
@beepboop9712
7 ай бұрын
@@martinschlegel1823yes
@Comedy-Mode
Жыл бұрын
I always assumed that the Yssarile was one of the entities that formed in the warp after the War in Heaven along with Khorne, Nurgle and Tzeentch (and probably other entities that we dont know about) and these proto-chaos gods battled it out to become masters of their respective domains
@Prockski
Жыл бұрын
So how did he fight for a billion years when the war in heaven was 60 millions years ago (and anything before that was a calm warp).
@andrewhopkins886
Жыл бұрын
@@Prockski because nobody ever exaggerates...
@Comedy-Mode
Жыл бұрын
@@Prockski none of the chaos gods existed before the war in heaven. Whichever interpretation of this lore you like, the 1 billion year war isn't possible (or it was 1 billion years in weird warp time)
@wilmagregg3131
Жыл бұрын
@@Prockski the billion years is from the DAEMONS perpesctive of time which is seperate from the matierel universe. a billion years there could be a second in the materium or the reverse or some twsited paradox etc etc.
@vhaelen326
Жыл бұрын
@@Prockski was about to say... "ah yes, that timeline really throws a wrench into the theory considering how much the warp enjoys being bound by our rules and perceptions, ESPECIALLY if tzeentch is involved"
@009_Ghostly_Systematic
Жыл бұрын
I like how there's a possibility that some daemons eventually develop their own sentience that would eventually become more or greater than the other and its on par with the whole chaos concept.
@ThanatoselNyx
Жыл бұрын
Sapience but yeah.
@hugo-fr2rs
Жыл бұрын
I think I have a nice theory: What if this billion year war between tzeench and the demon King is actually the same event as the shattering of tzeench's staff? After all, a gigantic war that threatened tzeench's godhood itself is a very big showing of his lost of power, and isn't hard to believe he sacrificed is monopoly on splles to win it, getting railed in a billion year war to not get attacked by the combined forces of all other chaos gods does seem like a pretty tzeench thing to do.... Also the fact that slanesh was there during the breaking of the staff whilst this war was before slanesh was born is makes perfect sense because the warp is weird that way
@wilmagregg3131
Жыл бұрын
it could also be justified as saying tzeentch was actually close to being killed by yssaril who had the other three choas gods backing him in that ancient fight and tzeentch lashed out with all his power at the last moment like the emperor agasint horus shattering his staff and loosing his pinnacle of power but issuing true death to yssaril. this wouldnt be told by choas as of course it kinda humilates and downgrades tzeentch as it implies he didnt WILLINGLY give up his power to placate and outscheme his brothers by sharing socery with the galaxy he just actually nearly died and saved himself at the last moment.
@docripvanwinkle4114
Жыл бұрын
Its a billion year war, do you think slanesh could have been born during the war? Im not a massive lore guy. Just curious 😅
@hugo-fr2rs
Жыл бұрын
@@docripvanwinkle4114 technically, due to the way the warp works, slanesh was born before, during and after the warp
@docripvanwinkle4114
Жыл бұрын
@@hugo-fr2rs ahh i see, does this only apply to Slanesh or would this be for all the creatures and deities that exist in the warp? And say if a random person or creature enters the warp, do they become apart of this sort of warp theory lol or are they still technically separate in terms of time and creation? I suppose i should start reading the books to be honest. Thank you very much for the reply :)
@hugo-fr2rs
Жыл бұрын
@@docripvanwinkle4114 ir doesn't just apply to Slanesh, there is no linear time on The warp. but The lore is VERY undefined with this, thought we can assume that non warp creatures don't really feel that everything is happening everytime when they travel through it
@spoopyd.8910
Жыл бұрын
Wait. Wes, do you think the Demon King's corpse is what's making the demons be able to exist in reality? Like how the Emperor's corpse is Humanity's spectral lighthouse? Also damn its been a while since I last seen your vids. Glad your channel is growing and you're getting sponsors.
@weshammer
Жыл бұрын
Hey thanks I appreciate that! And maybe? That's a pretty good theory. It's a plotline I'd love to see GW develop further in the future
@cttommy73
Жыл бұрын
I highly doubt that the Daemon King was stronger then Nurgel or Khorne, but then again, this was most probably during a time where they weren't at their peaks, so I guess it can make sense. But then again, like another KZitemr said, the power scaling of Warhammer is inconsistent. 3 of the gods with infinitely more followers and who stretches across multiple realities being only equal in strength to the newest "born" Chaos god, just makes no sense. I agree with the sentiment, personally.
@forickgrimaldus8301
Жыл бұрын
Probably while the Gods can't experince normal time they can only really power up from their perspective at least for a specific moment where their followers or at least souls consumed are at its height at different times especially during their "Birth" before than they can barely interact with that point in Real Space. (Think of their power ups as being secret levels in a video game they can technically have access to it at anytime but they that level gap is preventing it as in they don't have enough power to influence that point in time in real space than compared to their peaks.)
@benoliver5593
Жыл бұрын
It's sorta like saying you discovered a new element or species. It already existed you just added it your perception
@KevinJohnson-cv2no
Жыл бұрын
Seems like he'd one-shot Khorne & Nurgle lol. It took the combined efforts of Khorne, Nurgle & (maybe) Slaneesh to go against Prime Tzeentch; and even then, the shattering of his staff seems to be another "all part of the plan" moment if anything, as opposed to them having actually harmed him. Meanwhile Yssarile did singular battle with Prime Tzeentch for billions of years. At the very least he'd outrank any of the other chaos gods in a 1v1.
@jeambeam3173
Жыл бұрын
I call bullshit as I never even heard of a daemon king before and if they were so important I'm sure I'd hear about it before
@crows_are_superior4464
Жыл бұрын
Thats cause Slaanesh was all gorged up in eldar souls, giving her a brief but incredible power boost, brief being a relative term
@TK199999
Жыл бұрын
There is a chance the Daemon king is the staff, who power grew so great it became an entity in its own right. It would also explain a lot about all of this.
@fastollie1
Жыл бұрын
@wseshammer I remember hearing once there was a demon that was guarded by four greater Deamons I think called the screaming child in warhammer fantasy I would love some lore behind him you do amazing work bro my favorite lore channel
@MadMargaretGaming
Жыл бұрын
What about the Blade of Antwyr, possessed by a daemon so strong that it can't be destroyed or locked away and has to be constantly fought by the most incorruptible Grey Knight ever
@kaylo1499
Жыл бұрын
Correct me if I’m wrong but the warp is just manifestations of emotions and other primal forces or representations of certain ideals and goals. So I personally think that the chaos gods are just very powerful deamons that then contorted the warp around themselves. And there being three types of deamons: God tier deamons (chaos gods), god deamons (deamons that are created by god tier deamons) and lastly the deamons that float around and manifest themselves every now and then that aren’t part of a gods roster. This is just a idea comprised of various sources, canon and not, over years and if it’s true then there could be a possibility of a 5th god tier deamon arriving or at least a deamon that grows powerful enough to rival the god tiers and is entirely unaffiliated with the chaos gods.
@scorpiowarrior7841
Жыл бұрын
The thing is the chaos gods are more like concepts to me, like you said the warp is manifestations of emotions. In addition, the gods only gain power during certain times due to certain events (Korne needs war, Nurgle needs plagues, idk wtf tzeench needs....a lot of backstabbing, betrayal and overly complex plots?, Slaennesh presumably needs pleasure and excess gluttony on a mass scale I guess?) so their power is always fluxating. So yeah, they are always super powerful, but at the same time they don't have a 100% power level like a normal character or even demon does.
@cryingalone7572
Жыл бұрын
@@scorpiowarrior7841 can these things breed? I'm new to this or do they create eachother or poof pop out of thin air after enough bad shit have happened and if the can create other deamons why don't they create one that feed of all emotions if winning is their goal or do they need the universe to be in permanent suffering to live themselves. This world is so huge and confusing i don't know where to start lol
@Pyre
Жыл бұрын
This is basically canon. They aren't 'gods' by any standard we'd actually apply the word except power. They're accidents. All of them, including Slaanesh, are an unintended byproduct of *actual* powers fighting each other. Khorne, Nurgle and Tzeentch exist because of the War in Heaven, the sheer massive amount of psychic power and strife attached to violence, life, and planning during that time. Slaanesh exists because an entire galaxy-spanning empire of incredibly powerful psychics descended into hedonism you can't readily describe. They're accidents, made by the actions of things that *actually* exist. They may in fact be the most powerful avatars of those fundamental forces currently in existence, but enough positive emotion tied to their realms of influence for long enough would unmake them, just as surely.
@forspartaaa2348
Жыл бұрын
Serious question drach'yen vs yssarile the daemon king?
@WintersFinalstand
Жыл бұрын
@@cryingalone7572 The gods are both and not both conceptual ideas. The idea of the Gods is that theya re wholly independant entities within the warp, and are collected emotional thought around a primal emotion. Khorne is anger yes, and fed by extreme acts of hatred, but he is also a god of honor, strength, and valor. All these ideas work around the conceptual idea of acceptance of violence and the needs and reasons behind violence. Just some variations of the anger and hate you need to kill someone are far more potent. As such, Khorne absorbs all these emotions of all species much like a black hole does matter. As for the greater and lesser demons, these are not independantly formed. Instead, they are cast of shards of the Chaos god himself. A demon can only die in 2 ways, that being the Emperor's holy fire, or the Chaos god himself. Skarbrand is indeed a powerful foe, but he is just a piece of Khorne. Should Khorne will it, Skarbrand would be reabsorbed. But he isn't, both because Skarbrand has his uses but also beacuse mortal kind recognizes Skarbrand as his own entity. Khorne is independent, but independence of the chaos god is driven by the rules placed on them by Mortal kind. This is why holy water might have a effect, prayers, and of course, the Holy retribution of that one Cardinal (yes they fight too), and this is beacuse we believe these items hold weight and purpose. Religious ritual and signifigance is a strangea nd indirect way of rewriting or binding a demon to the rules of the ritual performer. There is no actual spell binding a demon, only really your skill with the warp, your faith in the ritual, and of course, the actual accuracies of that ritual (ie. a complete circle, 5 candles 5 inches tall and 2 inches thick, mixed with gold dust as a example). The Gods seek to cause and perpetuate the things that would feed them. Any time a mortal would feel a specific extreme emotion, it causes a bit of a bubble in the warp. And the nature of the emotion flavors that wave of energy. This then is drawn by the chaos god most related to it. As such, demons of that god then take interest in our shiny mortal, and try and goad more of that emotion. This is particularly prevalent to a psyker, but can happen to a regular person too, eventually allowing a lesser demon to begin whispers or other seductions. In time, that demon gluts on the bits of power, and uses it to ever increase the actions of that person, no matter how vile. This creates something of a chain of energy, which ultimately feeds back to the chaos god. A regular person may suddenly make Khorne's skull rune one day without thinking, or the runes of the other gods. This is why it's so insidious, but usually, it's so small it gets absolutely no where, at least, until a number of people in proximity on a world start getting together at pub time, sometimes at the behest of the demon's influences, which turns into a cult. At that point, religious practice enters the fray in some manner, such as a gladiator pit for fight night, or a brothel that satisfies any pleasure, no matter how willing it's working men and women actually are. It only escalates from there, as their souls are corrupted inch by inch, until a actual demon is summoned. At that point, hell is only a few years away.
@KingyoOtoko
Жыл бұрын
Can't wait for the podcast. The Patreon episodes have all been a blast.
@requiemlul3140
Жыл бұрын
The Deamon King is what happens when you use mods to Buff Daniel in TWWH3 to ludicrous power.
@dwaynewrighton8547
Жыл бұрын
Y'know how it's a real popular theory that the emporer made a deal with the chaos gods to help create the primarchs (for their souls at least); what if those souls belonged to daemon Kings? It would explain why primarchs are fairly powerful. Chaos be like "have your dealing souls; and bind them to a mortal form. Well take half back later. (Tzeentch to himself: whew! Glad to be rid of them Kings)
@tertiusofthree
Жыл бұрын
A wild theory just popped into my head. Yssarile is the true name of the Emperor and his armies are the ancestors of mankind. After he was slain, his body was entombed on a planet in our reality and then his perpetual nature awoke sometime after his armies changed into humans and decided to guide them to a future where he could exact his revenge. This would explain why we don't know what he actually looks like or his true name and why he was trying to lessen humanity's reliance on the warp for travel (separating them from and controlling the warp connections to weaken the Chaos Gods).
@navilluscire2567
Жыл бұрын
I am honesty VERY interested in hearing more about this fabled *nation of Ghul.* The concept of a bunch of warp borne rouge deamons crossing over to the physical universe in order to escape the wrath of the Chaos gods and somehow figured out a way to stay substantial (not go POOF) in a reality most strange to them is extremely intriguing!
@frozack8mgs62
Жыл бұрын
I watch a bunch of warhammer 40k channels and you got stuff iv never heard of man that was a killer video thanks man very much I love learning the 40k lore especially lore I don't know about
@damonx99
Жыл бұрын
Hey, great job on this one. Really bringing it.
@jameswilliams2075
Жыл бұрын
Wes you and boldemort are my top 2 creaters you give the info in a easy to digest and with good comparisons. While boldemort gives you the point of view of the world and makes you feel what it's like to be there
@gr8tbigtreehugger
Жыл бұрын
Many thanks for this insightful and entertaining video! Love to see you do a tour of the 40K galaxy! Cheers!
@matthewhalsan6459
Жыл бұрын
Just getting into the Eisenhorn books, and now I just want to read them faster. Love the longer vids.
@thedayidied
Жыл бұрын
Hi Wes! I just wanted to let you know you are my favorite content producer when it comes to WH40K. You and Luetin09 got me into it, I hadn't really known anything about it before watching your content. Now I'm a huge fan of WH40K's stories and overall universe. I haven't actually played the game itself but am in love with the lore because of you. Stay awesome brother.
@koalatysleep
Жыл бұрын
Yes! Please don't be a Majorsellout and start promoting chaos and conquest mobile games.
@loveableheathen7441
Жыл бұрын
@@koalatysleep Never understood this mindset. Who cares if your favorite creators are getting a bag. Isn't the the whole point? Smh. Hater ass losers lol
@forspartaaa2348
Жыл бұрын
Serious question drach'yen vs yssarile the daemon king?
@thedayidied
Жыл бұрын
@@forspartaaa2348 That's a tough one man, because Drach'nyen gets more powerful every time a murder occurs, and there is LOTS of murder in WH40k lol. But I think Yssarile would win in the end, that Daemon is so ridiculously powerful he rivaled a Chaos God at full power before it got weakened. And Drach'nyen got shoved into a sword by the Emperor, so..... yeah lol.
@WorldsWorstJinx
Жыл бұрын
@@koalatysleep hey people gotta make money somehow 😂
@MasterCommandCEO
Жыл бұрын
Great video and very informaive
@JohnDoe-us2jr
Жыл бұрын
Nice video , and the channel is great. But there’s one thing that should be considered. Tzeench peak power was at another time . He’s power was ever growing up until the point in which Khorn , Nurgle and Slaanesh got together to atack him. Reason being that Tzeench accumulated power pretty much unchecked until this fight with the other 3 gods. When there was only Khorn and Nurgle . Either the two gods thought he wasn’t such a treat by then or they didn’t have enough power to atack him. So if the the fight was before the birth of Slaanesh then Tzeench was powerful when he battled this demon king . But he was probably considerably weaker than when he was fighting the other 3 chaos gods . Nonetheless it’s still pretty impressive for this demon king to fight Tzeench pre shattering.
@kevinlangley2748
Жыл бұрын
It actually doesn't matter if it was pre or post Slaanesh's birth. The 'Chaos Gods' have always had their power rise and fall, but it is always kept in check by the others if one got too strong. It says right in the lore that if Khorn became too strong then the others would put aside their rivalries and put Khorn in check, as they would do with any of the group. Tzeentch has never been out of the reach of their siblings in terms of power, even when Slaanesh was fresh from the birthing event and rampant with the Eldar gods they were not out of the reach of the others. Another thing for YOU to consider is that time is not a static thing, especially in 40k and most certainly where it pertains to the warp. Tzeentch, Khorn, Nurgle and Slaanesh have been there since the beginning. Slaanesh was there, in the warp and active in events throughout history across the universe before their 'birth scream' shattered the Eldar. It was never just Khorn and Nurgle.
@JohnDoe-us2jr
Жыл бұрын
Kevin Langley Kevin Langley hahahaha geez man chill out . What’s up with the YOU in capital letters. But if you used as a way to call my attention to that specific part . Well it actually was a smart move . I do comprehend that times is something relative in normal space in 40k universe . As it probably is in ours to . And that the warp is something akin to a 4th or 5th dimension in our universe so therefore time is not linear . But in that case for one there’s no concrete book narrative per say . Because then anything is everything at the same and it’s not . Then how on earth some writer will make a novel in a comprehensive way . I mean if we just assume this point of view standing alone by itself. Now if they do like they do here . Which mix this element with the more linear structure that exists in real space in 40k then ok it’s become way more digestible for the readers. But even if we consider the warp out time to be a ultimate truth in the scenario and of course it is in a way because it’s the warp , right. So my point still valid in a sense that there’s no way to now if Tzeench was at its peak power or not just because he had its staff. It certainly gives the possibility to be the case because him without the staff would be weaker . But it’s only potential to be . And the video gives the idea that Tzeench was at its maximum power when actually it was only a possibility. And that’s what I tried to pass across on the other comment at least partially. Plus one of the reasons the writers probably do love the way the warp is presented aside its appeal to the narrative is because it does give then the freedom to retcon the heck of whatever they feel like it and it would still make sense .
@sonicsucks20
Жыл бұрын
Tzeentch is the most powerful chaos god of them all.
@kevinlangley2748
Жыл бұрын
@@JohnDoe-us2jr lol, my bad, wasn't my intended energy. Truth be told I was kinda lit when I wrote that to begin with
@lohr4955
Жыл бұрын
Yaaaaaay another upload already!
@Nebula_Craft
Жыл бұрын
Awesome video I’m really looking forward to the prisoner of the emerald cave one I just watched a short of him on the Warmasters taverns page and can’t wait for a deep dive into it
@NagaSadow97
Жыл бұрын
I learned about you from Majorkill and tbh, i didn't really think a creator coming from Tik Tok would amount to much on KZitem, especially with 40k being your focus. I am glad to say i was wrong. I've never seen anyone cover this topic in 40k lore in such a great way before and all your recent videos seem to be very good! Good job and good luck on the platform!
@scottjones6860
7 ай бұрын
I appreciate the fact the you mention when things like Chaos Entities to Space Marine chapters are often introduced in novels and such simply to serve as plot devices or foils and such. Helps to keep the whole meta in perspective.
@johnhickersantilan4295
Жыл бұрын
Alwys appreciate this lore story that I can re-watch again and again. ^^
@Atnat57
Жыл бұрын
So in the 10 most powerful factions video, you mentioned that the Tau might have created a new chaos god but you needed to talk about that in the future, seems like a natural follow up to this
@weshammer
Жыл бұрын
Good idea, I need to track down some source material first but I'd love to cover that
@potecommander4638
Жыл бұрын
from short to theis you are trully a legend
@andrewcrane5105
Жыл бұрын
Your videos are the best at giving information and, fun lol
@saeyabor
Жыл бұрын
I'm impressed you managed to say his name so many times without breaking your computer. Given, y'know, That Scene.
@KaJuHD
Жыл бұрын
dud this is now very near my favorite piece of 40K lore ive ever heard of
@Guillimann
Жыл бұрын
Nice video man
@MrWallerdog
Жыл бұрын
love the longer videos wes
@cheesy1nacho924
Жыл бұрын
KEEP THEM COMINGGGG
@louiswilkins9624
Жыл бұрын
Getting better , keep it up.
@Gecko17k
5 ай бұрын
Fantastic video! Thank you.
@alpacaofthemountain8760
Жыл бұрын
Great video!
@jonjones6047
Жыл бұрын
You're my top channel for all thing Warhammer my brother. Keep being 👍😎!!
@Vash001
Жыл бұрын
I don't know if you've covered it already but have you thought about covering The Forgotten God Malal? He doesn't get a lot of love as he is or was the literal god of chaos and the other four feared him
@alexmakkos4421
Жыл бұрын
Maybe you remember my top comment from way back 4ish months ago on one of the realms of slanesh shorts about how you’ll have a million subs before you know it and just how much potential you had, especially with Star Wars and halo lore junkies getting into warhammer. Just wanna say you’re killing it man! Your videos are a blast to watch and it’s been awesome watching you grow. Best of luck to getting to your million! Almost at 400k!!
@MrWhiteVzla
Жыл бұрын
I remeber seeing your videos on TT a while back and thinking how amazing it would be if you could tell 40K stories in a longer format. I stopped using TT a while back, so colour me surprised when I noticed YT recommending me one of your videos. It makes me gleeful to know you expanded to this platform. Considered me subscribed with the notification on and everything. You are a fantastic narrator
@weshammer
Жыл бұрын
Hey thanks I seriously appreciate it! You're one of the og's! 😃
@forspartaaa2348
Жыл бұрын
Serious question drach'yen vs yssarile the daemon king?
@Heresydetector9000
Жыл бұрын
@@forspartaaa2348 would they be at their full power?
@forspartaaa2348
Жыл бұрын
@@Heresydetector9000 yup bro
@Heresydetector9000
Жыл бұрын
@@forspartaaa2348 then yssarile would win
@michaelbraxton137
Жыл бұрын
Great video damn it was amazing
@teksci85
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for introducing me to this series. I've only watched a couple of your videos and can't get enough of the lore. Also this extra large order of wings kind of mirrors the Emperor doesn't he? I have a question about him but don't want to ask in case it's noobish excitement.
@bearlaw6807
5 ай бұрын
Dude your videos are just good.
@ethanmcrae1665
2 ай бұрын
I find it so interesting that you interpret Slaaneshes' birth the way you do. When I read the phrase "that from the Chaos God's perspective Slaanesh always existed," the way I understood it was that the concepts and underlying power always existed. All the elder did was cause them to coalesce into a single entity. There was an emotional Ort Cloud in the warp, and the Eldar's conduct acted as a single point of psychic gravity. The more demented and hedonistic, the Eldar became the denser the psychic ecretion disc until...BAM. A star is born.
@weshammer
2 ай бұрын
As I am finding out right now it's actually difficult to put how I consider the warp into words, but the basic jist is that time is irrelevant. Like all moments in time are all on top of each other. So from the physical perspective we have a time before and after slaanesh, but in the warp those times are on top of each other, there is no begining or end. Slaanesh just is and is not, always and never. IDK it's 1 a.m. and I'm very sleepy 😅
@stefanchung23
Жыл бұрын
Very nice!
@deathwing9629
Жыл бұрын
I love the vids and I’m on holiday in Norway and I love the vids keep it up
@demonscarecrow91
3 күн бұрын
I like the idea that Khorne's challenge was over in moments because of how straightforward Khorne is. The equivalent for Tzeentch is a billion years of mind games and plots.
@dizzyWLRD
Жыл бұрын
You should continue making shorts to grow more still your longer videos are the best.
@darkscholar625
Жыл бұрын
I've never heard of this before. This is really cool.
@lordschnitzel7961
Жыл бұрын
What if the „Outer Gods“ from H.P. Lovecraft (basically the Gods who the Great old ones pray to . Azatoth etc. )invaded the Warhammer Universe ?
@BacktoBack_Daishō
Жыл бұрын
Based on lore, they would eat the whole verse in mere moments
@SamiKotiranta
Жыл бұрын
Our existence is just a dream of Azazel...
@haydennoble9253
Жыл бұрын
@@SamiKotiranta *Azathoth
@capitankarl7100
Жыл бұрын
well, Tzeetch is heavely inspired by Lovecraft's Outer Gods
@dan5626
Жыл бұрын
What if Batman took over the Infinity Gauntlet and together with Gandalf Azhor Azai and Dr. Who went into the Eye of Terror to fight the Ruinous Powers?
@orange8420
Жыл бұрын
Hello weshammer i really enjoyed watching your videos and can you make video about damocles gulf crusade or indomitus crusade
@1ntoTheAbyss
Жыл бұрын
Tzeentch is definitely my favorite chaos god. One time I had a friend that was into 40k and he more or less liked to paint them. And I when into MTG loved the aesthetics. So when I went with him to a hobby shop one time I decided to buy a set to paint too. It ended up being the thousand sons. Back then I didn’t know a whole lot about 40k kinda like now. But with your channel I’m learning so much about it. I might never get into the tabletop game. Though the lore and the aesthetics of this franchise are an A+ for sure.
@joshmaggard6
Жыл бұрын
“If one such individual rose to power before, it could certainly happen again in the future.” Sitting on a certain golden chair....
@SethKotta
Жыл бұрын
So many videos this week! You're running the risk of spoiling us.
@davidhalstead402
Жыл бұрын
What if the Daemon King's followers were the enslavers and them entering the material world during the war in heaven was just them fleeing the battle with Tzeetch? Just a fun theory that came to mind after watching this.
@nightlordnorris4446
Жыл бұрын
Chaos having a hierarchy was always a amusing thought,, because by definition...chaos is disorganized, hellish, and random. One of the craziest demons I remember hearing about, was The Drach'nyen that the Emperor fought. It was supposed to be the Demon of the First Murder, and so got powerful over time. the Emperor had to cast him into the warp after turning him into a sword. It's kinda interesting how some demons might raise their way up to the chaos God's level, by playing on the warp like they do.
@cegesh1459
Жыл бұрын
Agreed. I really dislike how ordered and not chaotic Warhammer Chaos really is.
@PolskaCebula
Жыл бұрын
Fighting with tzeentch for a long time is something very impressive but could also be just one of tzeentches plans to simply amuze himself same way as he plots againts himself all the time
@julianpourdanesh3339
Жыл бұрын
The demon being regarded as a king at least means to me that he may have been mortal potentially an unknown species or perhaps even an old one who fell to chaos considering how powerfully he was described as being.
@ttterg6152
Жыл бұрын
No? Daemons literally have titles of humans like ‘champion”
@julianpourdanesh3339
Жыл бұрын
@@ttterg6152 considering his power and uniqueness in both the title I disagree
@ttterg6152
Жыл бұрын
@@julianpourdanesh3339 dude, humans aren’t unique to the warp
@rainqueens1731
Жыл бұрын
Shooking the personality of Skarbrand will never get old for me lol
@night_rain5947
Жыл бұрын
That was an interesting story i really liked it
@christiaanpotter8139
Жыл бұрын
Love ur content wes,from one nerd to another 😆
@dantereinhardt6911
Жыл бұрын
Plot Twist: Yssarile is the Emperor of Mankind.
@JEOVAHxRxGOD
Жыл бұрын
Tzeentch being hela nerfed just before 40k would kinda explain all the stagnation
@Prince__Teclis
Жыл бұрын
I mean, he did create 2 Daemons (blue scribes) to hunt down all his lost power.
@Ranlac_the_Black
Жыл бұрын
I‘d love to see how Necoho fits in this story!
@rekzzz19
Жыл бұрын
What if it can be revived again somehow to challenge the 4 God's of Chaos and break the stalemate between the 4 of them as the true master of the realm of chaos? I mean maybe it can be used to further the Warhammer storyline in the future. You could just imagine the emergence of something much more powerful than the 4 chaos Gods themselves would be pretty entertaining to have Tzeentch, Khorne, Nurgle and Slaanesh band together to defeat something much stronger and powerful than they are.
@FrstSpctr88
Жыл бұрын
Possible, only if it manages to gather enough belief to bend the rules and come back...
@buttsmcgee50
Жыл бұрын
It would make the game more interesting. The 4 chaos gods are kind of boring and lame.
@buttsmcgee50
Жыл бұрын
@@FrstSpctr88 meh. He didn’t rely on belief before, which would be why he could overthrow all 4 of them if he comes back.
@JamesW609
Жыл бұрын
That would be neat but GW is afraid of change
@freya002YT
Жыл бұрын
Very cool
@osmycud3977
Жыл бұрын
Now that we have Demon King it is time for Angel (Proto Primarch)
@dargo1183
Жыл бұрын
Great video as usual. What is that angel pic around the 4:20 mark Tia
@DuDuRAAAAHHH
Жыл бұрын
Hopefully he returns sometime, for a new faction or something. (Also enjoying the new content, as I don't get bored while listening to it)
@TearDownGenesis
Жыл бұрын
So much cool art in this vid. wish I could get the source links
@xanderAram
Жыл бұрын
I know he is not all powerful and whatnot but got to say Kirios Fateweaver (prolly spelt that wrong) has a sick background. Got nice time travelling backstory whet he absolutely f*cks with multiple space marine chapters. Always love the content my dude ✊🏾🔥
@Redrung
Жыл бұрын
Agree , Lack of name daemon model make 40k chaos daemon seem like just a mindless drone of their gods
They basically are but aren't at the sametime depending on power level a Daemon can act independently from their masters But their souls are so tied to the god they practically have none.
@MrPestkranker
Жыл бұрын
Now this is the power-fantasy that I love 40K for!
@MonogoMango
11 ай бұрын
Darktide Zealot: "Blood for the emperor! Skulls for the Golden Throne!"
@flamex1863
Жыл бұрын
Love the new video but wondering if you’re going go back to the short form ones to? Keep up the good work
@polrusstomakriss9001
Жыл бұрын
You gotta make a bunch of a content to then break it down into sound bite pieces I think under curious possibility that's how he goes about it
@itsjustme8947
Жыл бұрын
Wes said he preferred the long(er) form and was getting away from the short form (tik tok style). Hell, most of us love the long form as 40K is just too deep for sound-bytes, lol!
@qwaysqaywsx
Жыл бұрын
Very interesting video! But what about the 5th chaos god?
@Drakio95
Жыл бұрын
Huuuh. Never heard of that but it certainly sounds awesome. Btw there's 4 tomes of Eisenhorn, fourth is The Magos, dunno if it's about Eisenhorn himself. Can't wait to read them all through (so far only at first, Xenos) :D .
@JohnDoe-us2jr
Жыл бұрын
Wes man your videos are fire my man great work. Keep going ! And have a great week. There is just one thing that I would like to say and it is more in a constructive way I do comprehend that times is something relative in normal space in 40k universe . As it probably is in ours to . And that the warp is something akin to a 4th or 5th dimension in our universe so therefore time is not linear . But in that case for one there’s no concrete book narrative per say . Because then anything is everything at the same and it’s not . Then how on earth some writer will make a novel in a comprehensive way . I mean if we just assume this point of view standing alone by itself. Now if they do like they do here . Which mix this element with the more linear structure that exists in real space in 40k then ok it’s become way more digestible for the readers. But even if we consider the warp out time to be a ultimate truth in the scenario and of course it is in a way because it’s the warp , right. So my point is that there’s no way to now if Tzeench was at its peak power or not just because he had its staff. It certainly gives the possibility to be the case because him without the staff would be weaker . But it’s only potential to be . And the video gives the idea that Tzeench was at its maximum power when actually it was only a possibility. Plus one of the reasons the writers probably do love the way the warp is presented aside its appeal to the narrative . Is because it does give then the freedom to retcon the heck of whatever they feel like it and it would still make sense .
@jb_wr06
Жыл бұрын
“Make note when betraying Khorne always do it in his face”
@pillcosby9854
Жыл бұрын
Man I was wrong about you, when u first started making the shorts on KZitem u made a short once about a xenos I hadn't heard of before so I went to look it up and you had basically read the wiki word for word so I assumed u were just another wikireader but I'm thinking that was just maybe a one off cause I can tell you know your shit. Good vid and I'm glad I gave your channel a second chance.
@BarelyDecentProduction
Жыл бұрын
9:57 "shook his personality out of him" Now I imagine that one scene where SpongeBob strangled Mr.Krab and shook him
@Outside85
2 ай бұрын
The trouble with entities like the Daemon King is that, like Belakor and Skarbrand, they reach these incredible levels of power through their service to the Chaos Gods only for them to poke their heads above their assigned station before getting smashed down for their hubris and demonstrate that they were nothing but ants compared to the gods all along. And I would say the DK is another example of this; yes he appears mighty, but he doesn't try to supplant Khorne or Nurgle, he tries to take on Tzeentch... which is kinda like fighting your own shadow, since everything the DK did was known to Tzeentch in advance, so the whole war only went on for as long as Tzeentch wanted it to.
@ThePerceptionist
Жыл бұрын
I don't think this will ever happen but..... this could be a way to set up the return of the Emporer in 40k. The rise of a daemon king so powerful that the 4 cannot take down so they beseech the Anathema for aid in some sort way would be very cool.
@pharoahanakaris3202
Жыл бұрын
Since we're in the topic of chaos gods, could you give us a video with information of the secret fifth chaos god Malal?
@ferrumchnop6617
Жыл бұрын
We love you, stay awesome, stay humble. And thank you.
@shawnjensen8398
Жыл бұрын
Back in the day there was a model referred to as a Exalted Demon Lord. Kinda a Eternal Champion most were Undivided with a few to each Ruinous power. Over time they have been forgotten.
@max1mumchr1s
Жыл бұрын
I'd love to see you and Luetin09 do work together. You two both do such good work on WH40k Lore
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