I had a 2008 KTM 450xcr-w that was a great bike for tight trails although heavier than I like so I ended up purchasing a 300xcw tpi which is great for the style riding I do. Great torque, never flames out, and easy to work on. Best thing IMO that I’ve ever thrown a leg over and I’ve had every make and model dirt bike since the 70’s. My 2 cents…
@maxflight777
Жыл бұрын
Easy to work on ? The odd design means there are three plugs to remove to change the oil.
@prestonthomas9406
Жыл бұрын
@@maxflight777 Lay it on it’s side with an extension tube for oil changes. Nothing to it…
@wranglerstar
2 жыл бұрын
Another excellent video, thank you for the rootbeer candy included in my last order,
@i_dodge_trees
2 жыл бұрын
Bought one last wednesday, and what a killer machine. Finally we get a proper, full fat 4 stroke enduro bike from KTM North America. Too bad we don't get the 250 and 350 as well.
@TACOMOTOCO
2 жыл бұрын
Some say they’re coming
@garrettstivers8209
2 жыл бұрын
What a time to be addicted to dirt bikes! A lot of great info 👍
@d.bray1
2 жыл бұрын
I got mine at the end of July and I love it. I am really impressed with it in single track. I’ve left the engine and suspension alone for now (besides setting sag). I’ve added protection mods, IMS tank, and headlight (Rigid Adapt) so far. May add a voyager pro but other than that it’s pretty damn good for now.
@c3h4organic97
2 жыл бұрын
Partly, thanks to you and your videos, my new therapist is a Husky FE501. Enjoy all your videos very much.
@shaneporter4502
Жыл бұрын
Just got one a few months ago and put on some 17”s and street tires it’s so much fun, it’s easy to plate in Missouri too
@brookcampbell2940
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great video! I just got my 2023 Husqvarna FE450 (very similar minus PDS) in late July. I definitely made the right choice and look forward to your support of this bike. Keep the vids. Coming
@Cycle9568
2 жыл бұрын
This is basically the off-road bike that KTM wishes they could sell across the off-road range from a tuning and emissions. EXC and XCFW.
@bradl45
2 жыл бұрын
Huge thank you for the video!!! My daughter rocks a 15 450 XC-f, she is hinting about a 6th gear(thats what Dads are for...Right?) I'm sending her the link to this video, I can sell her on a newer bike, gets a 6th gear, and she will still have the Orange frame, LOL! A 450xc-f is a little over my head in the power game, fatiguing is real. I'd like something with more snap than a 500, I should get a 450 W too!!! Can't wait to see how you build , and get updates on your in house suspensions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@imds123
2 жыл бұрын
Great report!! Love my 2013 450XC-W, tagged for the street and it rips.
@ryanherring1131
2 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU SO MUCH! I have been waiting for this review since it was released!
@probuilder961
Жыл бұрын
They've got these for sale new in Johnstown, PA for $8k ! $2k less than a 350 EXC-F. I'm considering getting this and making street legal, but I'm not sure...
@shaneporter4502
Жыл бұрын
That’s what I got mine for
@davidgrunklee8407
Жыл бұрын
Any left? Where?
@bennyfisher4415
6 ай бұрын
What year model?
@huckfinn4260
2 жыл бұрын
I'd Love to see some GoPro footage of this bike ripping in the desert.
@tothepoint4240
2 жыл бұрын
Another wicked informative video. Even tho I don't have a 2023 bike it still has alot of info that applies to my bike and where it stands in the ktm lineup. I specifically like all the stuff about the exhaust. Nothing else out there like your videos, thank you!
@garthlundquist3623
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the most in depth report on this amazing machine. I’m loving my 2021 KTM 500 XCF-W for primarily singletrack, but can see the need for a livelier motor and stiffer suspension for when the terrain opens up for higher speeds. Is Husqvarna going to offer a similar hot rod 450 with linkage rear suspension? I have been unimpressed with the relatively low power output of their recent FE 450’s. My 2016 FE 501 was very strong ( and bulletproof) with a few inexpensive mods. While a lot heavier, it was considerably more stable at higher speeds than my PDS 2021 500 XCF-W.
@michaelreilly3100
7 ай бұрын
Got this bike on order! And I don’t live in California! Can’t wait to ride it
@user-qs7wd7kn5l
Жыл бұрын
What about adding a Scotts Steering Stablizer? My 15 500 exc definitely needed one
@dds272
Жыл бұрын
EXCF is very differently known in many countries. I'm based in australia. I have the 2020 KTM 450 EXC-F. And it is exact same thing you have on your stand. Excluding the colours & orange frame. None of those emissions pieces or 02 system attached, no blinkers, no tail section. No reeds in the intake. No cheese grate on the exhaust. Thats what u get in Australia, and most commonly used for offroad competition. Australian/EU EXCF is americas XCFW
@richardvargas6219
2 жыл бұрын
Great information! I learned so much. Thanks!
@Gen-X.Adventures
9 ай бұрын
Excellent review! I have a 2023 Husqvarna FE450. Basically, it's the same but with link suspension. What I like best is the linear power delivery and luggability. It's almost hard to kill the motor. I ride everything from open trails to tight woods single-track, and it handles it all like a champ. I know I have the right bike because I really don't have to do anything to it to ride like I want to. I will be checking out a Taco Moto dual sport kit to connect trails. (If it's available? ) It's easy to plate in Minnesota. Thanks for all the great information!!
@benhoelzel795
2 жыл бұрын
No such thing as a red sticker for 2022+ bikes in Commie-fornia. Green or closed course only. No registration for non-green sticker bikes.
@rimshot223
2 жыл бұрын
Time to move…
@dylkelley
2 жыл бұрын
Just reg in SD. Cheaper anyway
@frallinger
Жыл бұрын
Looking forward to a rally conversion Mike. I'd love to see all the things I did wrong on my build. And thanks for the stickers BTW. You rock!
@gregcrozier2408
2 жыл бұрын
That looks like a sweet ride. I love my 500 EXCF, but would have a lot of fun with that short-stroke punchy motor.
@TwistedTriggerEnduro
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for walking us around the bike and showing us what it's got. Excellent video. 💪😃👍
@brettfloridia9322
Жыл бұрын
Have you ridden the Beta 430/480 Race Editions? I wonder how they compare to the KTM W or Husky FE 450s.
@mototrailz
2 жыл бұрын
Man, so glad I am back in Europe cause here you buy a 500 EXC, remove the emission unlock the ECU and flash it at the dealer with an unrestricted map and boom you have a 500 with a plate and fully capable without the GET/Vortex expensive ECU's. And if you buy an Akrapovic then you can upload the Akra map since the ECU is unlock. All that at the dealer. Same for Australia.
@tomcorle1400
2 жыл бұрын
So what.
@mototrailz
2 жыл бұрын
@@tomcorle1400 it means you have an EXC with an XCF (open engine) street legal from the dealer. Without spending additional money. If you were dual sporting you would know how big of a deal it is.
@jimmycrowell8854
Жыл бұрын
@@mototrailz can we all send you our ECU's from our 500 and have you take them in to get them flashed for us? 😁
@mototrailz
Жыл бұрын
@@jimmycrowell8854 USA ECU are flagged EPA...so no 😉
@jimmycrowell8854
Жыл бұрын
@@mototrailz bummer, is it possible to buy a European ECU and have them shipped over or are they guarded in some way by KTM. just seems like the GET options for $1k are ridiculous to me.
@tkurbandesign
Жыл бұрын
@Taco Mike, you mentioned this new 450 enduro model has many applications, Rally, Trail, Desert. The 500EXC-F is popular because it's also an all-rounder, including many who use it as a lightweight adv bike, connecting trails with 75mph pavement stretches yet still great for the more challenging BDRs and single track. In places where it's easy to plate a dirt bike, do you think this platform with its unique power delivery characteristics will also fill this niche? great video, looking forward to the build!
@CumminsTurbo4
Жыл бұрын
Be interesting to see if the engine holds up as well as 500s with higher power output (usually equating to shorter engine life, but the 500s last so long, maybe we'll never see?)
@mxbadboy263
2 жыл бұрын
I agree about the 350 xcw. I owned one and didn't understand why KTM didn't put torque cams in it. It's suppose to be a woods bike.
@sethphillips2892
Жыл бұрын
i got a 2010 450 xcw and it has crazy power for the trails
@andrewpocock1234
7 ай бұрын
what is the stator power of the 350 exc-f? Awesome video Mike, itd be cool if you could do the same video again for 2024 as well as comparing to any 250/350's also - that would be a comprehensive all in one enduro/dual sport/competition austrian moto bike video!
@TACOMOTOCO
7 ай бұрын
All of the injected 350/450/500/501 enduro bikes all have the same power output for all years
@stevenoneya2318
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Mike! great info as always
@truenorthmotos9965
2 жыл бұрын
Mine came with 13/52 gearing. Going to change it to 14/50.
@Louiektm
11 ай бұрын
Mine came 13/52 also. Changed to 14/52. Wondering how 14/50 worked out for you?
@truenorthmotos9965
11 ай бұрын
@@Louiektm works very well for DS and ST use.
@Maoshung
Жыл бұрын
I’m buying either the 500 or this 450 and I can’t decide which one to get. I live in America (not California) so I can plate it in my state. Can anyone tell me why the 500 would be better to get?? I do mainly off roading but want street legal bc sometimes we have to ride to the next trail etc. 🤔
@chadestus9889
2 жыл бұрын
Bought one a month ago. Swapped out the muffler for fmf seemed to help power across the board. All my other bikes are XCF so struggling with the PDS setup at this point. Ride alot of desert and single track here in Vegas. Overall happy with the bike , I feel like first gear is extremely low and will swap back to a 50 tooth sprocket. I think as this bike gets higher in the revs it doesnt pull hard, seems to fall off high in the revs. ECU in my near future and find a suspension guy that is familiar with PDS.
@TACOMOTOCO
2 жыл бұрын
Good feedback Reach out to Taco Moto for remedies to all issues mentioned
@akmt9114
2 жыл бұрын
Oh great so it still has some power pulled out of the top end from the stock ECU for noise regs then? Ugh finally thought it was a totally uncorked W bike!!
@mrcrustnasty3574
Жыл бұрын
Not sure if you tried this but in map 2 I have noticed that it is a good bit faster maybe that will have better top end but you probably have tried that. Hope this helps!
@chrjamrho
2 жыл бұрын
curious how this compares to the BETA 430
@brianb3333
Жыл бұрын
i had a 2010 isde version , fun bike the suspension was lacking a little.
@jasondunaway4203
2 жыл бұрын
This is the best most informative video to date. Mine should be here in a couple of weeks I want to street legal it. Is your kit available already?
@georgesinclair1393
Жыл бұрын
I’d love one of those! Might even get one!
@TheGrande78
Жыл бұрын
hey question would you get the 500 xcf-w 2022 or the 450 xcf-w 2023 . just trail riding older guy thanks
@Maoshung
Жыл бұрын
I’m in the same boat. Can’t figure out which to buy…
@ElanC
2 жыл бұрын
Thorough and informative, thank you!
@dannylorenze6188
2 жыл бұрын
Nice job, Taco Mike.... Sounds like a winner...
@toddkurtz1468
2 жыл бұрын
This would be at the top of my list if I was looking for an off road only 4 stroke. Unfortunately,as you know, this bike can't be registered in California or legally ridden on public land so it's a no go. But it's got everything I'd be looking for with the exception of a spark arrestor which is no big deal. So I have the next best thing. A fully uncorked 22 350excf and I'm completely happy with it. And I sold my 17 500excf to my son so he's happy too. Are the suspension settings, as in valving, the same as the excf and xcwf bikes?
@jimmycrowell8854
Жыл бұрын
Todd what would you say is the major difference between the 500 and 350 power wise? why did you prefer the 350 over the 500
@toddkurtz1468
Жыл бұрын
@@jimmycrowell8854 I really got the 350 because I got a fantastic deal on it. Paid just over 11k out the door for it. I like both bikes but the power is different, obviously. The 500 has a big hit right off the bottom. Then it goes a little flat through the midrange before another nice rush of power up top. The 350 has torque down low too just not as much as the 500. Then the power just builds through the midrange and into the top. I would say the 350 midrange might even be stronger than the 500. The 350 also has a lot of power up top. The 500 vibrates more too. If you like massive torque down low, get the 500. If you like a more linear powerband that pulls forever, get the 350. I think the 500 is better if you're going to be on the road more than 10 percent of the time but I think the 350 is a better "pure dirt bike". It's a little lighter and it handles better.
@jimmycrowell8854
Жыл бұрын
@@toddkurtz1468 that's a good overall description thanks. what kind of fuel mods did you do to either bike or are they stock. I have heard that the EXC line can be quite dossal without a new ECU or fuel programer
@toddkurtz1468
Жыл бұрын
@@jimmycrowell8854 Both bikes have a jd tuner and an end cap to open up the exhaust. Also pulled the reeds, which really didn't add much power with the 500. They both actually ran pretty good stock but I did have a few flameouts stock.
@jimmycrowell8854
Жыл бұрын
@@toddkurtz1468 how much difference did the JD tuner make?
@DaWafflenator27
2 жыл бұрын
Dude what stand is that? My back needs it lol. Great Information!!
@TACOMOTOCO
2 жыл бұрын
Scissor high lift
@ryanpatrick4813
Жыл бұрын
Any way to mellow out power on the 450 xcf-w? Maps, etc? Does it come with a map switch? Thanks from 48-yr old MN rider. This is most in depth coverage of 450 xcfw!
@mxriderwd
Жыл бұрын
It has a switch for 2 maps and also a traction control switch
@sethbarton2687
Жыл бұрын
I'm terrified of a MX 450 power, I love the 250f MX power. This bike is right in between power wise and pretty perfect for me. I've had it on a motocross track twice now as well, and the suspension and power were good enough for the average double out there. I'm really happy with how well rounded this is at my skill level.
@craigpeterson4779
2 жыл бұрын
So it’s possible to add 6th gear to a 21 xcf or Husky FX 450? Great video lots of good info!!
@TACOMOTOCO
2 жыл бұрын
Absolutly
@DannyHopkinson
2 жыл бұрын
Finally! Been waiting for this video.
@anthonydemarco4236
Жыл бұрын
Great video ,I have the 22 xcf w 350 and I know what you mean by the 350 and low end. I really like the bike but but wish I had a bit more low end , I love single track and enduro. I’m considering picking up one of these , do you have any recommendations?
@MTBAviator
11 ай бұрын
And how do you like this compared to a 350 XWF? The ‘24 model seems to have all the street kit items on it. Does that make it less attractive compared to a 300 XCW?
@jameshirai8936
Жыл бұрын
I’m curious how it compares to the 250-300 2T? In the latest equivalent variations and applications especially the desert race scenario.
@NickV70
2 жыл бұрын
Great info Mike!
@9enigma1
2 жыл бұрын
It blows my mind how much Americans have to deal with these ''street legal functions'' Over here in Europe we get uncorked bikes from the factory. No ECU tuning, no nothing. Bikes run rich enough to run a pipe without having to adjust air/fuel ratio. I've been running my 2019 450EXC with the stock map and Akrapovic for 250 hours, stock top end, never opened up. Cops don't care about turn signals or blinkers either. As long as you have plates fitted.. you're good to go
@brokentrike1243
Жыл бұрын
My AUS model 500 has the resonator at the outlet end and no screen.Hmmm...!.
@mxriderwd
10 ай бұрын
Is the 2023 450 xcfw “Ice cream cone” easily removable?
@ryanvivion854
2 жыл бұрын
Got mine in July!!
@akmt9114
2 жыл бұрын
So no real power restrictions in the stock ECU as far as you can tell?? It sounds like you are only going to hop it up for more power to race and not to deal with US restrictions like on the 2022 XCFW.
@tonyahinkle1014
2 жыл бұрын
I’m goina go the Fe 450 route….and put a clake one lite on it.
@andrewgerke9004
2 жыл бұрын
awesome review!!!
@drpork1360
Жыл бұрын
How is this a red sticker bike for california if the vin doesn't have a 3 or a C, I checked my local dealer and they have one with what a presumed green sticker vin would look like.
@JF-qc6po
Жыл бұрын
Good question. I want to know too. I've been hearing these bikes not having red sticker vin but no answer to the outcome.
@elihamou6902
2 жыл бұрын
That looks like an awesome bike but trust me people, if you like to push your bikes you will NOT like these forks. They need work. I went WP 6500..all said and done front and rear valved to your weight your lookin another 2k plus. Sucks but is what it is.
@jromem7313
Жыл бұрын
Is there a more motocross setup one could do with this bike? I know it's not meant for it but would like to ride track a couple of times
@mikegro8502
2 жыл бұрын
Why are the o2 sensors always removed when the motorcycles are converted for offroad riding? Wouldn't it actually make much more sense to leave the probe in, just to monitor the injection system or to detect a wrong fuel mixture (too rich or too lean), like a wrong fuel pressure or a torn intake manifolt? Or is there a good reason why manufacturers dont use the probe for offroad riding?
@21gdubb
Жыл бұрын
Great vid!
@kaytme5915
Жыл бұрын
Ok, so where in Arizona is Taco Moto store? I want to visit the store!
@ender_wiggum
Жыл бұрын
Is the ECU locked?
@jonloft8015
Жыл бұрын
We don’t need any of that bollocks here in the uk. A number plate and a brake light and were off! 😂
@MTBAviator
11 ай бұрын
How do you like this compared to a 250 or 300 XCW 2 stroke?
@TACOMOTOCO
11 ай бұрын
We don’t care for a 2t bike so we’re not a fair source for an answer
@robertvitale5263
2 жыл бұрын
What about gearing? Sprocket sizes? and Chain guards?
@quillantrombley593
Жыл бұрын
How does this compare to a yz450fx? I ride my yz450fx HARD and FAST, but can't buy a new one in CA.
@madman432000
2 жыл бұрын
That rock stuck on the tire bugs me for some reason. Kept asking myself why doesn't he flip that thing off the tire...
@TACOMOTOCO
2 жыл бұрын
He worked hard to earn that little spot so why not reward his effort w a little bit of fame
@benurie
Жыл бұрын
Does this 450 have the same subframe as 500? Wondering if I can mount top/tail rack for a rollie
@treysinkinson5118
Жыл бұрын
Great video other than you walking around the bike makes me nauseous!
@TACOMOTOCO
Жыл бұрын
Good this you can just listen to it
@maxflight777
Жыл бұрын
Swapping a con rod won’t change the stroke ! 😂 13:41 (Other comments you made tell me you don’t understand engines)
@mikeb4708
2 жыл бұрын
What do you think about putting the 44mm TB on it?
@michaelhammond4268
Жыл бұрын
It’s called a spark arrester!
@alexybarra3588
Жыл бұрын
Because the 450 xcf-w has the same transmission as the 500 and the engine characteristics of the 450 are different is the stock sprocket sizes the same as the 500 or is it geared lower? If not do you think any changes up or down would be beneficial?
@alexybarra3588
Жыл бұрын
Never mind I was almost done with the video when I wrote the comment should have finished the video lol 14/52. Thanks for the video 👍
@Spudd74
2 жыл бұрын
Looking at a ‘23 500 EXCF. Would it be better to wait for the updated chassis on the ‘24’s?
@TACOMOTOCO
2 жыл бұрын
My next 500 will be a 24
@Spudd74
2 жыл бұрын
@@TACOMOTOCO I shouldn’t of asked. Lol. I finally made my mind up to buy this bike. I was going to call the dealer this morning to tell him I wanted it. Now……… I might have to wait.
@andrewsmith2948
2 жыл бұрын
Would it be worth it to swap the sxf or xcf header onto the excf models?
@lennydodson4223
2 жыл бұрын
Quick question do u have any info on the 2023 500 xcf w any help would be appreciated
Worth turning this into a sumo? Def not as a daily
@shaneporter4502
Жыл бұрын
I am right now
@The_Snowbike_Channel
2 жыл бұрын
To me it seems as if it’s identical to the 450 XCF with the exception of having a 6-speed. That’s my elevator pitch to someone who asks me what the difference is. Plus has a thermostat and fan. 🤷🏻♂️
@TACOMOTOCO
2 жыл бұрын
Take a look at the differences docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1UM1R_liplwJMMrEciEBUdEBxbgkQ7eHUbmv0gOuwDJg/edit
@i_dodge_trees
2 жыл бұрын
No linkage, coil spring forks, wide ratio trans, lower compression, smaller throttle body, cam profile, heavier crank and flywheel, more powerful stator, completely different fuel and ignition maps. I'm definirely missing some stuff, but they are vastly different machines in both design and performance.
@mude555
2 жыл бұрын
@@TACOMOTOCO Pretty good list of differences in that table. Maybe add piston shape/construction and rotating engine mass to the table? You mentioned it in the video and would help people understand one of the key differences.
@mikeb4708
2 жыл бұрын
What about camshaft and valve timing?
@The_Snowbike_Channel
2 жыл бұрын
@@mikeb4708 guessing it’s the same as the 450 SXF/XCF but only an assumption of mine.
@madman432000
2 жыл бұрын
They don't have the expansion chamber header pipe like the xc version?
@TACOMOTOCO
2 жыл бұрын
It’s not the same engine in the mx bike
@madman432000
2 жыл бұрын
@@TACOMOTOCO Since I have a 500exc thats working great for everything I do, I was thinking of getting a dirt only bike and was considering the 450XC for the light weight. Maybe be better off with a new 250XC-TBI and gear it down a little.
@bryanlewelling4435
2 жыл бұрын
How well do you think the 450 would work as a Street Supermoto?
@koul_2482
2 жыл бұрын
Should be alright. Its got the 6 speer trans, which is whats great on these bike. 5 speed trans suck on road/sumo
@TACOMOTOCO
2 жыл бұрын
Incredible
@bryanlewelling4435
2 жыл бұрын
I just picked mine up today.I’m beginning a Supermoto street legal build to compliment my 300 xcw Supermoto
@jayf7998
Жыл бұрын
Adding my Dubya Supermoto wheels this weekend and I picked up the Pirelli Diablo Rosso III tires. Great review Mike and Dan from TruNorth Motos was spot on in his assessment! This bike is a Unicorn for 2023!
@mxbadboy263
2 жыл бұрын
Wait. Changing the connecting rod by itself will not make it into a 500 or visa versa. It would require a whole new crank.
@TACOMOTOCO
2 жыл бұрын
Yes thanks for the clarification
@pinecone3604
2 жыл бұрын
Keep up the ktm videos love it!!!!
@devinsmith6220
2 жыл бұрын
How many HP on the Dyno? Is it just as peppy as the moto bikes?
We have this pump now and more beta stuff in the pipeline
@matt23727
Жыл бұрын
@@TACOMOTOCO You rock
@codysampson3462
2 жыл бұрын
Rally Bike!!!
@oldscoolharley
2 жыл бұрын
But I can rip my 500excf on the streets 😂
@user-fc4de5nk5m
Жыл бұрын
👍👍👍♥️😍
@jetdr
Жыл бұрын
after doing some research into some of KTM's Bikes, I am going to wait for the 2024 yz450fx. much better build quality and way way cheaper. seems KTM outsources a lot of their stuff, ie China and it is crap. expensive crap
@Aridrona
9 ай бұрын
I want a Enduro I can jump the piss out of... ?
@mxbadboy263
2 жыл бұрын
Please don't make it louder.
@jdirt1982
2 жыл бұрын
First .... BLUMPY??? 🤔
@MR.TOYBOX
Жыл бұрын
Have you heard if there going to change the Frame on the 2024 EXC F 500 to the one they did on the 2023 xc 300? Any other potential changes? Reason I am asking am dont want to get the 23 exc f 500 if the 24 will have a better frame. Not that there is anything wrong with the current one. Thanks Love your Videos.
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