you lost me when you held up the gri gri 3 and called it the gri gri 2 and told me im gonna want it over the plus XD
@Mexxy
5 жыл бұрын
2:10 for reference
@NatetheAceOfficial
5 жыл бұрын
Time for an annotation.
@iWorldBreaker
5 жыл бұрын
Thought so too
@robmckennie4203
5 жыл бұрын
yeah, seems like a cock-up to me. i would think they would want to really make sure they got that 100% right before uploading the video.
@dooglasii753
5 жыл бұрын
Doesnt really matter. Basically the grigri 3 is an upgraded version of the 2, the plus is a different version entirely
@Xeratas
5 жыл бұрын
so if they need some more name ideas instead of adding numbers just increase the amount of "gri" gri grigri grigrigri Can't wait for GriGri4 aka GriGriGriGri A: Did you mean the GriGri oder GriGriGri? B: None of them i meant the GriGriGriGri A: so you mean 2 GriGri?
@neilj8224
5 жыл бұрын
"You best bring me a shrubbery "
@norman9274
5 жыл бұрын
How many degr(i)s of gri should there be?
@davidwarren719
4 жыл бұрын
Grialles
@colinwatt00
5 жыл бұрын
@Epic TV - I’m really impressed you guys are giving honest consumer advice even though you have an invested interest in selling products though your store. Keep up the good work and thank you.
@alecksluciferis4188
5 жыл бұрын
You shouldn't grab the whole grigri like that when lowering. Petzl is very specific about that. You can't be both happy about the anti-panic and then lower someone in a way you might squeeze the cam with your whole hand in case you panic.
@jezzard123
5 жыл бұрын
Should have called it the three gri
@addforme
5 жыл бұрын
I was thinking that the whole video
@StaggerLee68
4 жыл бұрын
Should have called it "garbage again".
@5upl1an
4 жыл бұрын
@@StaggerLee68 care to ellaborate?
@StaggerLee68
4 жыл бұрын
@@5upl1an Petzl's quality has been going down the drain for years. Working professionally with their Rope Access equipment, many techs have watched the quality and ease of use go in the toilet and longevity of product decline as well. The price and retirement rate of the gear has gone up exponentially though. Their recreational shit just mimics that. If You are psyched on plastic parts and crap fabrication, have at it.
@maya-amf3325
3 жыл бұрын
@@StaggerLee68 I have to say, I just paid 200$CAD for a grigri+ and I don't understand how the release handle is made of plastic. Is it some kind of spaceship plastic or something? It just feels cheap af... I just assumed that this being the goto brand everyone recommends for belaying device, surely it's gonna hold. But still... I don't get it.
@mathias5618
5 жыл бұрын
If only they had added the stainless steel lip from the +... I agree with Matt (I appreciate the honesty btw), it's really not worth upgrading from the 2 to the new one but worth buying if one doesn't have a 2
@paulswig8786
5 жыл бұрын
I’ve had the GriGri + for a year and I’m not a beginner. Giving slack in lead mode is easier. Top rope mode makes the cam very loose and allows a quicker catch. I also feel more comfortable handing a device with an anti-panic handle to a belayer that may be newer to the idea. However it’s safer on single strand rappels with the anti-panic feature as well. Not necessarily a beginners device but had some extra safety features and I trust myself but I’m all about extra safety where I can add it in to my gear.
@teamcrooks6913
4 жыл бұрын
Newbie to SRT climbing. Which device, in all of your collective opinions, releases most smoothly from "braked" for self descent? And yes, price matters! Grigri, Grigri+, Mad Rock Safeguard , Beal Birdie, ... OR?? Thank you in advance. At 65 I'm learning SRT and DRT for saddle hunting . Wish me luck!
@teamcrooks6913
4 жыл бұрын
Not one person would help out with an honest opinion? Really?
@jevenator
4 жыл бұрын
@@teamcrooks6913 Not everyone sorts by new and then takes the time to respond on KZitem lol. Ask your questions on Reddit or Mountain Project
@iarejoeyy718
5 жыл бұрын
This GriGri is awesome, I personally love it and it’s soooo easy to learn, feeds rope really well and haven’t had any problems with it! Definitely worth it!
@gmakutube
5 жыл бұрын
You mean "... wanting the GriGri 3 instead of the GriGri plus..." whereas you said GriGri 2 at 2:10
@MattNicassio
5 жыл бұрын
I ordered the Giga Jul yesterday! Can't freaking wait to get my hands on that thing! Have a GriGri2 and can't imagine spending near 100 bucks to upgrade. I'll def just stick with the 2 until it dies or I lose it. But the Mega to Giga Jul I thought was a great enough upgrade to invest. Love how light and versatile that device is! Really curious to see how much the slider makes a difference.
@philipppuchner1115
5 жыл бұрын
The GigaJul is a Jul^2 just with 2 slots isn't it? The MegaJul I already sold, but the cheap and stainless steel Jul^2 in a pack with the steel carabiner, I don't give away (although i haven't used it in over a year)
@3karolek
Жыл бұрын
I love my mega Jul! I still use the grigri in the gym but I don't carry it outside anymore. The mega is way lighter, smaller, and can do more
@SilenceNate
5 жыл бұрын
One of the differences between the Grigri2 and new Grigri is the plate on the on the climber end. People have reported the rope jumping out and catching. I believe one the changes in new Grigri is to prevent this from happening.
@Andy-lq6zw
5 жыл бұрын
Honest advise is always great to hear. I bought the Grigri plus last year. It's a great bit of kit
@normenradvany5513
4 жыл бұрын
Hi! It is not making dirty your rope? My rope is getting black dirty even our hand. Any idea? Thanks!
@chad4853
5 жыл бұрын
This is a really good review. Technically buy the books is called the gri-gri 4. because it is the fourth version I'm sure someone already commented below that. Company should just start labeling of the year they came out so 2019 gri-gri that would make more logical sense.
@Mdjagg
5 жыл бұрын
Or they will just end up with a Basic model, and a Plus model. I think it's a good strategy, and they could brand them by the year. But, they have to have the same wear rate. Not having the steel plate on the "you don't need this feature" model is pretty bad.
@stuartjohnson5173
5 жыл бұрын
I have used the GriGri 2 and Plus and prefer the 2 just for the finger catch being so much bigger and comfy on the 2
@Govanification
5 жыл бұрын
They intentionally reduced the size on the + to make it harder to really clamp down on the cam with your hand and keep it from doing its camming action.
@darrenparker2892
5 жыл бұрын
Just started climbing mostly indoors and have bought grigri plus great bit of kit and gives me and the wife extra confidence in be laying . Going to do via Ferrata in the lakes next week in the lake district tried this in the Alps last year I would also reccomend this sport to new climbers Thanks for all the advise and vids
@benschebella673
5 жыл бұрын
take a shot every time he says grigri
@SteveTownshend
5 жыл бұрын
Great Video!! I still use the original (old) Grigri because I always hated the feel of the Grigri2 and I didn’t like how it lowered! But with your recommendation I will get a new Grigri(3) for sure!!! Thanks for the review!!
@darthtrump4428
5 жыл бұрын
hey dude, how is the newer gri working out for you comparatively? :)
@KelvinClimber
5 жыл бұрын
matt, with the grigri+ you can pull further back then the panic mode and then it will give slack again hope your aware of that, heard of a climber having a long fall in my city cause of that
@drstrangelove85
5 жыл бұрын
Calling this an anti panic function is really a very far stretch...
@KelvinClimber
5 жыл бұрын
@@drstrangelove85 i think petzl is aware of it but it's allot of miss information on the internet cause of the grigri+, it's fine for any user that know about it but wouldn't have given it to a begginer belayer
@drstrangelove85
5 жыл бұрын
@@KelvinClimber Petzel advertises the fact that the Grigri+ has an anti-panic-handle. The device is also certified as such.EN 15151-1 type 8. I guess these certificates don't say too much these days...
@arnesl929
5 жыл бұрын
It is not like this in the new (3)? I have the + and find this feature a bit strange.
@KelvinClimber
5 жыл бұрын
@@arnesl929 no clue if that panic mode is there in the new grigri, as i don't have that myself
@benedictionkupo
5 жыл бұрын
i'd love to see someone do a dual-wield grigri trad setup
@dansmith6968
5 жыл бұрын
I run a recreation program at a camp, and I like my old Gri Gri 2's in the hands of my staff. Way more security and they can learn the system pretty quickly. But then lowering can be pretty jerky on our chunky ropes. 30% smoother would be sweet...
@ProbablyFuckedByASeagull
5 жыл бұрын
I worked with a program where we did climbing in a camp as well. The only negative we had with our staff and GriGris was, some of them started getting very lazy, not paying attention, or got distracted easier. Although they learned to belay. I still would never trust the belayer(some of them) themselves, I trusted the GriGri that they're using.
@zukokurama
5 жыл бұрын
I have the grigri that came before the grigri2. I don't really like it for lead belay because it's kinda finicky. Are the new grigris far better for lead belay? I don't really mind the price just wondering if it's a big enough difference between the models to buy another newer grigri.
@florianvanassche1377
5 жыл бұрын
What about durability? You say the interior metal is lighter, but won't that cause it to wear down faster?
@Govanification
5 жыл бұрын
Yup, and the + model is heavier because it has stainless steel wear plates in a couple spots. The+ might actually last forever if you don't break the plastic handle.
@ErikKloeker
5 жыл бұрын
@@Govanification I wore out a grigri+ in less than a year, the inner cam wore a hole through it. I was using 9.8mm to 10mm ropes in a sandy environment. The steel where plate didn't show much wear at all, but unfortunately the rope groove in the cam was not well suited for the larger diameter ropes. Petzl had excellent customer service and was able to replace the device for me, I now use the + only with my 9mm and 9.5mm ropes and use my original grigri with the larger diameter ropes. My original gri is about 10 years old and still going strong.
@stacylou002
5 жыл бұрын
To a new belayer who will improve and get more comfortable with a grigri over time, is the new model just not recommended to beginners at all? I'd think it if were built to last, it would not be long before the belayer doesn't need the panic feature anymore, and its $50 cheaper. So for the long term, wouldn't it be better to get the cheaper device from the beginning? Isn't the primary function of the assisted brake pretty much the same across all three models?
@g3cd
5 жыл бұрын
Any word on the Wild Country Revo now that it can be bought? How does it compare?
@craigchammings6580
5 жыл бұрын
The steel plate to increase the life span the + is reason enough to get the plus. Buy one grigri for life. I've seen some 2s with huge grooves dug out from lowering
@Govanification
5 жыл бұрын
Get the + and put it in lead climbing mode and leave it there. Besides the occasional safety lock up if there's a ton of rope drag when lowering it really is the best for sport climbing (leading) both indoor and outdoor. All the other GriGris act like the + in top rope mode which is WAY too grabby and sensitive.
@ReaperofMind
5 жыл бұрын
Looking forward to the review / comparison on the Click Up + as mentioned. I bought it having used the original thinking it would be nice and found it far inferior :-/
@REVOLUTIONS51
5 жыл бұрын
I've got an alpine ap, the bigger brother for 2 ropes, and I use it all the time (multipitch and sport route), for what I can understand the "clicking" mechanism is the same same as the Clickup+, so I'm curious to know exactly what made it inferior for you
@ReaperofMind
5 жыл бұрын
@@REVOLUTIONS51 I was intrigued about the Alpine Up. I'd like to give one a try at some point. I had a chance to try out the original Click Up and found it really nice. Very smooth and nice feeding out slack lead belaying. I bought the Click Up + since there was one going second hand without trying it out, thinking it'd be much the same. I found when using it though that it clicks up far too readily and is a lot less user friendly. I tried to get used to using it so this wouldn't happen, which I didn't have to with the Click Up and in the end it just didn't seem worth it.
@REVOLUTIONS51
5 жыл бұрын
@@ReaperofMind maybe is the vproof system that makes it so clicky? I bought the alpine up because here in Italy is going for the same price of the Clickup + but it has all the other functions of an atc guide/Reverso (I still carry the salewa alpine tuber, is like a Reverso or atc but less grabby, on many routes here in the Apuan Alps on shitty rock you do not want it to grab that much). I found it really nice in the classic brake mode (no click) and depending on the orientation you get more or less breaking (again really nice here ahah) and since it's not 'mandatory' to use a prussic when abseiling it's really practical. I've handed it over to some grigri people and not had any false click in an entire sport route, it's really nice, but it's still enough to grab the rope with your pinkie finger to make it click. The only disadvantage I find is that you have to 'study' a bit the proper way to unlock it but as soon as you figure it out it's an half a second move. I'm sorry for your inconvenient, I'm glad I've gone with the bigger brother ahah. It's a bit rare to see one of these around but if you can, absolutely try it
@verheul32
5 жыл бұрын
Comparison between all assistant belay device's. Petzl, Beal, madrock lifeguard. They are all very similar
@Kam-go3bc
5 жыл бұрын
What exactly do you mean by "lowering ratio"? What about lowering someone is easier? I'm currently using a grigri2 and I like that it's quite grabby on the rope because my climbing partner is more than 20kg heavier and this means i have control when lowering. Can you clarify if a newer grigri model would have less control in the speed of lowering someone?
@gerardbroek1943
5 жыл бұрын
The ratio is about the force applied to the handle. With a greater leaver ratio you have to pull less hard to release the brake. The control is there but perhaps at a different point, like a clutch in different cars.
@dk2428
5 жыл бұрын
Really disappointed with the lowering on my grigri+, a nightmare with thicker gym ropes. Would trade it with the 'new' grigri anytime, even if it means losing the stainless wear plate.
@larvitardratini5965
5 жыл бұрын
There's a learning curve to it for sure but after a while using it I've figure out how to do a controlled but fast and smooth descend with it. The thicker ropes make it harder but just keep at it and eventually it's nice.
@tjfirhfjejUTH24
5 жыл бұрын
rough shitty gym ropes is a nightmare on the + i swapped out for the standard grigri
@KplusU
5 жыл бұрын
The + also has better stainless steel rub pad.
@hahne9
5 жыл бұрын
Will you also review the new Edelrid Giga Jul?
@expert_procrastinator
5 жыл бұрын
Looking forward to the grigri 3 vs click up plus comparison!
@philipppuchner1115
5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, would like to get the Click-Up+ in my hands for trying! And also the Wild Country Revo! :)
@Mdjagg
5 жыл бұрын
Oh boy. Rationalizing planned obsolescence. They're saying, 'If you're an expert, you should be buying a new one at the same rate as the beginners, but get to pay a bit less.' Just add the steel plate and things would be right in the world of climbing. Also, the optional modes on the Plus are great. Why would anyone buy the 3? TR Soloing/Self Belaying with the Plus in TR Mode is very nice. It catches immediately.
@keithboone4800
5 жыл бұрын
I have the original edition Grigri and it works just fine
@ErikKloeker
5 жыл бұрын
The Stainless Steel wear plate on the GRIGRI+ had nothing to do with beginners putting extra force on the side plate making it a necessary option for beginners. It had more to do with the fact that guides, gyms, and folks that just climb a lot in sandy areas were wearing through the side plates of the grigri2 at an alarming rate. Your assertion that "expert" climbers won't wear that part out because they put less pressure on the side plate is silly, and it's absence on the grigri 3 is not an upgrade but rather a cost and weight savings measure. If you don't mind trading a bit of durability for weight savings then that is a worthwhile sacrifice. Overall they took the grigri+ and took out the extra features and ended up with the grigri3, nothing ground breaking here which is why no one made a big deal about it when it came out.
@tristanperry351
5 жыл бұрын
Excellent advice, and great format!
@kjartanous4025
5 жыл бұрын
Test it against the new Beal Birdie when it is released.
@Szynszula
5 жыл бұрын
Just got the grigri, with rope 9,2mm works like a dream. I'm poor now, but whatever.
@bilsteinstruppekfreites2673
3 жыл бұрын
I definetely would also recommend for experienced climbers the new GriGri or the GriGri 2 and only for beginners and childrens the GriGri+ .
@calebwood4171
3 жыл бұрын
Ive used the grigri+ and the grigri 2 and i really like that the gri+ is bigger. I have bigger hands and it feels way more comfortable to use... Just IMO & fyi
I like the Grigri but it is way overhyped for what it does by adding multiple parts for a single device. Keep it simple and go with Edelrid's Jul 2. It's cheaper, lighter, and IMO its functionality in terms of belaying along with its assisted braking is a better choice for any level of climber.
@philipppuchner1115
5 жыл бұрын
Yep, the Jul^2 is really great! And giving slack and feeding the rope is sooooo much easier than with the MegaJul, which locks up all the time and really needs "power endurance" to keep the device from locking. And if you have a thicker rope, your shoulders blow out before your climber reaches the chains! ;)
@ripperkon
5 жыл бұрын
Really good and interesting video. Thank you for this comparison.
@floewqua
5 жыл бұрын
The gri gri + lowering is very bad. The panic break is triggered way too fast and when I push the handle down even more, it hits my carabiner.
@nickdrewing3281
5 жыл бұрын
My local gym uses these for their ground anchored top ropes, and they use a rope that is 10mm if I remember right. Gotta say that the thicker the rope you have, the worse this issue is, locks too easily.
@hobbitilius
5 жыл бұрын
You should do a video on the new Edelrid GigaJul. I got one as soon as it came out and it's pretty rad.
@StaggerLee68
4 жыл бұрын
There's a great new "gri-gri" out there. It's called the Beal Birdy.
@mitchelburgener1892
5 жыл бұрын
Wish they made the lever metal. would be best in slot for a slackline braking system. but cool i guess. they all basically work the same
@adamswinnerton6336
5 жыл бұрын
What's the product called? I think I missed it
@Luke-kw8jm
5 жыл бұрын
Use in big walling. Hauling etc.
@ZXYPH
5 жыл бұрын
How come you wouldn’t take a gri gri on a multi pitch climb?
@BurtonHohman
5 жыл бұрын
ajrGames yeah I was wondering this also
@natebloser
5 жыл бұрын
My partner and I use the grigri on multi-pitch and big wall. I carry an atc as well for the random double rope rap.
@nenuobodu
5 жыл бұрын
With grigri you can’t descent double rope. And in multi pitch it’s easier and faster to use double rope for descent as you can easily pull it out and use for lower pitch descent. Another common practice while multipitching is using two thinner ropes instead of one thicker. This is so that you could descent the whole length of the rope (tying two ropes together) and not just half as would be the case with single rope. This saves a lot of time, besides thinner ropes are lighter and their weight can be distributed between partners.
@Govanification
5 жыл бұрын
People do it all the time as it adds to the safety margin in case the belayer gets knocked out from rock fall or something. They just also bring a 2 strand rap device per person. More weight but more safety.
@magnus.asplund
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for an informing and good video. It helped me.
@patob3363
5 жыл бұрын
solid video and assessment. great info
@EldanerOhtar
5 жыл бұрын
I'm so disappointed they didn't call it the ThreeGri🤦
@oliverhaworth2432
5 жыл бұрын
Surprised you haven’t talked about the sided nature of GriGri devices. As a left handed belayer although you can use a GriGri it’s designed for right handed use so I found it could it completely unsuitable. Surprised Petzl haven’t made a left handed version as devices like the Revo and ClickUp aren’t sided so offer that benefit.
@brolan5150
5 жыл бұрын
I am left handed as well and just forced myself to belay right handed with an ATC. Now I switch off left or right depending on my stance in multi-pitch or just for practice at the moment. Because I did this, my new grigri is totally fine to me as a right handed device. Fwiw...
@oliverhaworth2432
5 жыл бұрын
brolan5150 yeah I know if you’re multi pitching a lot it’s good to belay both sides. Just think Petzl should be clear that it’s not suited to left handed belaying.
@gearaddictclimber2524
5 жыл бұрын
Please do a video on the Wild Country Revo!!!
@HEAVYMETALMAGICVIDS
5 жыл бұрын
2:08 I think you mean the grigri 3?
@EggGiant
5 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately the panic function on the grigri+ isn't 100% full proof haha. I somehow hit the ground a week ago (landed on my bum, thank god for safety mats) while being lowered by my buddy. I'm confused as to how it happened. Been climbing for over 2 years, using the grigri+ for over a year now (lead only) and never had an incident until about a week ago. It scared me, scared my buddy even more and has left both confused as what exactly went wrong!
@Govanification
5 жыл бұрын
Skinny rope? It doesn't prevent them from lowering you fast, just prevents true free fall.
@EggGiant
5 жыл бұрын
@@Govanification 9.8mm yea I understand that. Ive pinned it to user error so Im going to run some tests tomorrow at home!
@SeekOutTheAdventure
5 жыл бұрын
My research has shown that the new GRIGRI is 5 grams heavier than the GRIGRI 2.
@dylansmith2324
5 жыл бұрын
Does the 3 have the panic handle as well ?
@gerardbroek1943
5 жыл бұрын
No.
@philipppuchner1115
5 жыл бұрын
No, but it doesn't work anyway, so don't give yourself the feeling of more safety - because there is NOT! The problem with this "function" is, that people rely on it and probably give the device to beginners and think that now nothing can happen. Even he or she pulls the handle through. Maybe even explaining to them, that there is no problem pulling harder on the handle, because it locks up anyways. And then, bad suprises can happen. Dangerous surprises! Petzl seem to be aware of that and haven't advertised the GriGri 2019 with that anti panic function. Hopefully nothing really bad happens to climbers, which got fooled by this anti-panic function. I think Petzl may have to do somethng, because if accidents happen, I would be afraid to get sued really hard, especially if that happens in USA
@CabinetOfCuriosity
5 жыл бұрын
Well, I have a plus, so .... if I ever lose that ... wait, how did you get your name on the one gri gri? It looked embossed and not a sticker. I’ll have to go back and look.
@minifishy7162
5 жыл бұрын
I looked on the epic TV climbing website and you are no longer selling the grigri2, I was wondering if anyone knows of anywhere else I could buy a grigri2 at that generally price mentioned in the video (55) thanks
@Lunzicle
5 жыл бұрын
White frames are randomly popping up. Might be a render issue
@anjawohlert906
5 жыл бұрын
still waiting on that feature they put on the rig or ID with which you can open the device without taking off the carabiner. only in that case i'm getting a new grigri :D
@jm-js1tf
5 жыл бұрын
Grigri 1is close to unbreakable, so I don't see any reason to switch the nekst 5 years
@hydra66
5 жыл бұрын
it'll just be if you need a new rope with different diameters
@pakotello525
5 жыл бұрын
Ok, it is a reissue from the first gri gri, Now Petzl is like Fender and Gibson
@dk2428
5 жыл бұрын
Exactly
@thomasanderson5466
5 жыл бұрын
What's the song matt? Nice break down
@Draken428
5 жыл бұрын
I've recently developed an interest in climbing, haven't even gotten to my local gym yet (soon though), so please forgive my ignorance. Why is it that you wouldn't use a grigri on a multipitch?
@vladghelu516
5 жыл бұрын
Good one!
@chrisbmxbrandt9495
5 жыл бұрын
does anybody knows the name of the song in the background? :o
5 жыл бұрын
It is Invisible by Justin Black. I didn't find it on yt, only on deezer.
@morgan7a
5 жыл бұрын
3:46 - so it's okay to remove your brake hand from the rope while belaying now?
@chankludo1
5 жыл бұрын
Good review bruv.
@philipppuchner1115
5 жыл бұрын
UPDATE: Yesterday I was at the gym with the collegue who owns the GriGri+. I switched between my GriGri 2 and his GriGri+. From handling, it is excactly the same! No smoother rope action or anything. Just the "index finger catch" on the GriGri+ is really small and roundet. You have to hit (grab) ir right. I very much prefer the larger and far more grabbier one on my GriGri 2! UPDATE on the ANTI-PANIC function: What I said in my long text above, like the anti-panic function is way too easy to pull through (child with 2 fingers), i think i was describing the handling with the 2019 GriGri, NOT the GriGri+! Using the GriGri+, the anti-panic fuction works. I tried a bit when lowering my colleague. Then, it stays locked even when you pull harder. Only way to keep the rope going again is letting the handle go or push it forward and than back again. But I have to say that this function engages too fast. I little more pulling the handle down because of thicker ropes or more friction in the system, and the GriGri+ locks up. I can understand if people get annoyed if this case applies to them. Sadly I forgot to pull through the anti panic function to see how hard you have to pull to give the rope free again. I also didn't try to switch to this TopRope mode, but i see no point if the device is already locking quickly enough. SO: Please re-assign my second passage ( =block of text) from the GriGri+ to the GriGri 2019! The anti-panic function of the GriGri+ is NOT easy to pull through! Conclusion: I would never switch to the + or 2019 model, since the "index finger catch" is way more grabbier on my GriGri 2 (anniversary edition in wine red, bought someday in the epicTV shop). If my grigri 2 has worn through, I may take a look at the latest version of the GriGri and of course all the alternatives :)
@kee7678
4 жыл бұрын
I dont which one to get now. I just spoke to friend who loves her +, and says it's easy to overide the anti panick and you don't have to reset it by moving it forward, and once you get used to it, it's bang on easy.
@philipppuchner1115
4 жыл бұрын
@@kee7678 I have to reverse my opignion about the new GriGri a little bit. My GF has one and I used it when I'm at her place. The catch for index + middle finger is large enough, no problem. Rope handling feels a little smoother than with my GriGri 2. So, if I had to get a GriGri now, I would go for the new (2019?) GriGri. That doesn't change anything about the GriGri+ of course. Lip for finger 2+3 smaller and round, useless panic mode, useless mode switcher, but 100€. No thanks. And If you can't belay without panic mode, you shouldn't be belayong anyway. Just my 2 Cents on the Dollar ;)
@kee7678
4 жыл бұрын
@@philipppuchner1115 That's actually perfect bro...I just bought the 2019 GriGri last nite and arrives tomm! So glad that's your opinion too as you know more about it than I do! Thanks mate!
@philipppuchner1115
4 жыл бұрын
@@kee7678 you are welcome! Have fun, safe and stressfree climbs with your new GriGri! :)
@jasperfeldschuh3644
5 жыл бұрын
My only problem with the Grigri plus is it's panic handle. It stops me from pretending to drop my climbing partner while lowering them (I let go of the handle before they come close to the ground and the device locks up. My hand never leaves the break side of the rope.)
@alecksluciferis4188
5 жыл бұрын
That's a stupid thing to do. It's not funny, it's dangerous and it put a lot more wear on ropes.
@natronwonk1029
5 жыл бұрын
Who sings the song playing in the background
@feynthefallen
2 жыл бұрын
How do you measure percentage of smoothness? #Marketing-BS
@nichalasnarvaiz3706
5 жыл бұрын
you should do a reveiw on the life garde from madrock
@Ryzoto
5 жыл бұрын
I bought it last week from epicshoptv and it is much better and lighter than Grigri.
@nichalasnarvaiz3706
5 жыл бұрын
@@Ryzoto i know i have one it i love it it needs to get out there more
@TaySwis
4 жыл бұрын
OK, but no where is presently selling the new grigri for anything close to 69 euros?
@mrschwartzmc
5 жыл бұрын
Skip to 5:00 to see what's actually new.
@l_roy9035
5 жыл бұрын
i dont think i would ever watch another epicTV video if they lost Matt..
@BDragonmasTer
5 жыл бұрын
Luke Troy Matt is the man
@redpakiu
5 жыл бұрын
Wait what is happening at 6:27? Is that even belaying? looks like a pretty bad way of lowering and belaying... Just seems terrible. Maybe its just me, I dont even own a grigri..
@philipppuchner1115
5 жыл бұрын
Seems like a left handed person uses the GriGri in a way that you can see the device. In real life this grip isn't used hopefully. BUT he has the break side of the rope in his hand at all times. And it seems that the action in the video is just lowering, so it may work just fine.
@parzivalgaming3220
5 жыл бұрын
Video starts at 5:05 if you only are interested in new model
@ShallWeClimb
5 жыл бұрын
Or just get the MadRock lifeguard. It's cheaper than either of the grigri and lighter, and essentially the same device. Also smoother! :)
@KplusU
5 жыл бұрын
I wished you could keep them straight
@ryanpratt8953
5 жыл бұрын
When feeding slack 99% of the time the brake hand should not be touching the device. Its poor belaying technique and causes potentially bigger and more dangerous falls. This comes from Petzl it is not an opinion.
@philipppuchner1115
5 жыл бұрын
Dude, when you use the GriGri like a tube, and want to feed slack quickly, you have no chance in hell. You cannot sprint as fast to the wall if necessary, especially outisde, where you are often not be able to move around that much. Sometimes nothing at all! To compensate this, people just leave too much slack hanging out of their device, that it is always enough for the climber to clip. When doing the "Gaswerkmethode" ( = official Petzl technique!!), you don't have to have much slack and if the climber clips, especially suprising for you, you are fast giving out slack and not shortrope him longer than necessary (god i hate that if someone shortropes me!). So I believe, the opposite from what you are saying is the case!
@ryanpratt8953
5 жыл бұрын
@@philipppuchner1115 I work at a climbing gym, I have a CWI, I know the manufacturer's way to use each device and I will have to say you are incorrect. Yes, when you need to give slack very quickly you can hold down the cam but that is 1% of the time if you are paying attention to the climber you can give bits of rope out over a period of time. If you practice this way it may feel hard at first but eventually it will feel so much easier than grabbing the cam every time
@philipppuchner1115
5 жыл бұрын
@@ryanpratt8953 What is a CWI and the manufacturer "says", that after using the method with pulling with your thumb down the cam, your hands should return into a neutral position. Since you have to return with the hand to the device to use the "Gaswerkmethode", it takes time. Time you shouldn't waste when the climber pulls on the rope and is stuck! The Method with constant a bit of slack I also tried (and saw in video, when the climber was way up an overhanging climb, that the excess slack doen't matter), but when you have climbing partner, who mostly clip too high, it is not the way to go. You would have to have much more slack out the whole time! The Gaswerkmethode has one disadvantage: Since you are holding the device open (with thumb on the bream), you prevent the device from locking up. BUT: I am fully aware of that and my reflex is, to grab the dead rope harder and pull to the side down, so the thumb leaves the device. And in 99% of cases your thumb would never be as strong as the force the falling climber generates. Maye with much friction in the system, but yeah, never had that in my climbing life before. In over 50% of all clips indoor i have to use the Gaswerkmethode, including stepping to the wall and away from it after the clip. Outside it is a different story, as to how many time you have for the clip. If it is slabby, you have time, because your weight is mostly on your feet.
@seishun69
5 жыл бұрын
maybe petzl didnt shout about it because there is absolutely nothing to shout about...
@IsuckYoungBlood
5 жыл бұрын
...and I thought the new GriGri was only a cosmetic update on the old one! Now you forced me to buy it :(
@jw3558
5 жыл бұрын
Hello and many thanks for the job you're doing, it's fantastic.i've recently bough à Mammut Smart 2.0 on EpicTv shop, i high recommand that system which is for me one on the best i ever try. very light, very easy to use after 1 or 2 session, i love it. (as soon as it available again I'll buy 1 or 2 more of it)How ever i also have a Grigri (the first model). My girlfirend is making picture and i would like to now if a Grigri 3 would be worth for rope climb (with all her stuff, camera etc...) or if and old Grigri would do the job well? many thanksJoël
@thomaszimmermann5408
5 жыл бұрын
I agree 100%. I like the Smart 2.0 best, so far. Also, I am left handed. GriGri is right-handed only.
@KevinGuanziroli
5 жыл бұрын
Hi Joël, you are probably talking about Rope juggling, here is a nice article about it : www.climbing.com/skills/learn-this-how-to-rope-jug/ It's also something I wish this do this season and personally I going for the Froggy style with my gym grigri2, a petzl ascension, petzl footcord, oval locking binner (I took the Ocun Osprey). It will probably take some training to jumar correctly especially in a dynamic rope (I am personally not gonna buy a static rope since I don't plan on doing it often)
@KevinGuanziroli
5 жыл бұрын
Oh and about your GF "old" Grigri 1, for juggling as long as the rope is feeding nicely trough to it, you can probably stick with it, if it doesn't grigri 3 will probably make the ascent a bit easier. In any case it is less important than the rest of the gear, especially the ascender and footcord
@jw3558
5 жыл бұрын
Many thanks for all those information! I already have a static rope hopefully, and you are correct I'm talking about rope juggling! Well I'll verify if the rope feed nicely in it. I already plan to by petzl equipment (because I'm French and they have very good equipment!) So thanks again!
@darigan5323
5 жыл бұрын
2:10 you meant GriGri 3. And well done if you're following me so far ;)
@sakaraist
5 жыл бұрын
grigrigri(Gri^3)?
@jimmylanik5404
5 жыл бұрын
Feel like it’s an Apple product . Same product with little tweaks. Another Gri Gri will come out next year with 1 new thing and so on.
@chankludo1
5 жыл бұрын
Any forward thinking manufacturer will improve their products, eventually. Or they stagnate. Everything changes...... Except for nit-picking little trolls. Those buggers are irrational. Hint.
@jimmylanik5404
5 жыл бұрын
chankludo1 didn’t know this comment would hit you this deeply. Just saying they have came out with 3 Gri Gris quickly it feels like. Kinda like apple products
@projectbonsai8538
5 жыл бұрын
As an Apple Technician i feel where you're coming from, it's true lmao.
@OffBelay_
3 жыл бұрын
Love my GRIGRI...
@felixosullivan3215
4 жыл бұрын
song in the background anyone??
@jodelboy
5 жыл бұрын
PLEASE for the love of god stop calling the GriGri+ a beginner's belay device!
@robertobreve8623
5 жыл бұрын
the GriGri+ is a beginner's belay device
@quik3113
5 жыл бұрын
too much grigri gonna kill the grigri? i keep my grigri 1 for the gym and my alpine up for the rock. Nothing is better than this combo!
@dk2428
5 жыл бұрын
Had my original grigri since '98 until someone decided to take it out of my bag...phenomenal product. Not happy with the '+' i've got now. Guess i'll have to give that alpine up a try. For gym use i'll stick with my DMM pivot.
@tomgosy
5 жыл бұрын
I was going to buy a GriGri... ended up getting a RIG
@maya-amf3325
3 жыл бұрын
god dammit. I literally went and bought a grigri+ yesterday cuz they had only that and the other old grigri and I naturally assumed the grigri+ was the latest and greatest.
@philipppuchner1115
5 жыл бұрын
First: None of these devices are better or worse or are designt for any specific skill or experiance level. It doesn't matter if you are a newer climber (freshly finished your beginner course at a gym) or however long or good you climb, you can of course always use any belay device you like! And a GriGri is a GriGri, so wether you like it or not. Simple as that. Second: I have and use a GriGri 2 for over a year now constantly, and I also used the GriGri+ from one friend, and the new GriGri 2019 from another friend. I would NOT trade my GriGri 2 for any of the two other devices! Why? The GriGri+ is... shit. OK, it is a Grigri, with the basic function of a GriGri, so ok. BUT: The switch between TopRope and Lead mode ist totally useless. I mean, when rope on climbers end moves, the device locks. End of story. Also in the other mode. So what? Even if in TopTope mode the device would break even a bit faster? Or in Lead mode giving slack is a bit less "strenuous"? I would leave it in Lead mode and it behaves like a Grigri. Zero reason to switch to TopRope mode, even if TopRoping. totally useless! The anti panic "feature" doesn't work and/or is completely useless! The first 2 times I used the GriGri+ when belaying my friend, after he clipped the chains, i lowered him, like always. It strangely "clicked" and then i lowered normal. After the second time, I discovered, that the click WAS the anti panic function, and when you pull the handle even further, the device lets the rope through again. So, on accident, I triggered this anti panic function! And No, im not hercules or pulled hard at the handle. It was very soft. Also the route went straight up and the rope was a 9.5mm Mammut Infinity Classic in good condition, so not much friction in the system etc. The third time, i really slowly pulled the handle down, that the rope started to move. I made it happen, that he lowered to the ground without engaging the anti panic click. And I had to be VERY careful! I can understand when people say that in routes where there is more friciton, it isn't possible to lower down quicker or even lower at all without enaging this anti-panic function! When normal belaying like with the GriGri 2 you would always pull into the anti panic mode and pull through it to lower down. So, isn't it supposed to be anti PANIC?? If there is PANIC, the belayer would pull even harder at the handle and the anti panic function is supposed to stop the rope from running through. But even a little child can pull through this anti panic function with 2 fingers! How panicproof is THAT? Yeah, It is NOT!! And there are people out there, that already got dropped because of that "feature" (pull through, low friction in system, rope runs through the device quite fast). The third "improvement" from the GirGri+ over the GriGri2 is the thing you do the "Gaswerk Methode" when giving slack (when handling a GriGri like a tuber it always locks up, and you never get enough rope out quick enough, no matter how fast you are running to the wall while giving out rope). It has been "slimmed down" or something. Actually, those 2-3g they could have left on the device. It is much more catchier or grabbier when this thing is larger and more pronounced. You catch it even in "panic" lol and without looking (giving out slack quickly if you had the hand away form the device but on the rope of course). So probably THAT is this Anti-Panic feature? ;) Yeah. So, the GriGri 2019: Same thing with the little (Matt calls it thumb catch). Again, those 2-3g more wouldn't have done any harm). Ok. Giving out slack and lowering is a bit easier, smoother, that i could tell. Or that his GriGri 2019 was brand new and was used just the second time, where my GriGri 2 is 2 years old (it is the anniversary edition in "wine red" or something, I bought from the EpicTV shop at that time). Ok, so the GriGri 2019 has the better inner life inherited from the GriGri+ (giving slack+ descending a bit smoother) check. BUT doesn't have the steel plate from the GriGri+ for longer life span. And has the smaller "thumb catch". Also when lowering, it "clicks" a bit weird. And to finish it off: somewhere inside the device, there must have been lubricant, because half of my newer rope was way darker than before! This happened after my friend and I opened up the GriGri2019 to have a closer look. He catched something with his finger i suppose, and that grease then went on my rope! After the first uses the rope was clean, just after we opened it and he stucked his finger inside. I hope this lubricant Petzl uses is rope friendly and doen't lower the safety of the rope! Conclusion (for me): Grigri+ is shit, but due to the steel plate it may last longer than all the other Grigris. GriGri2019 = A bit smoother GriGri2 but (at least for me) other disadvantages. If I'd to buy another one, I would definately go for the Grigri2 again! The difference is so small and you just notice it when comparing directly, GriGri2 and GriGri2019, but the GriGri2 is now not a "harder to use" device or "not as good anymore" just because of the newer model. For ME it is a sidegrade. Not an upgrade, but also not a complete downgrade. For less money, I advise you go for the GriGri2 and never bother with any of this useless "features" or strange "behaviors" when lowering. Just my honest opignion, without trying to make everything bad or worse. Because they are not. All 3 of the devices are not. I think it really comes down to personal preference which device you like more. For ME: I'm staying with my GriGri2 anniversary edition until it is degraded and not safe/usable any more.
@philipppuchner1115
5 жыл бұрын
UPDATE: Yesterday I was at the gym with the collegue who owns the GriGri+. I switched between my GriGri 2 and his GriGri+. From handling, it is excactly the same! No smoother rope action or anything. Just the "index finger catch" on the GriGri+ is really small and roundet. You have to hit (grab) ir right. I very much prefer the larger and far more grabbier one on my GriGri 2! UPDATE on the ANTI-PANIC function: What I said in my long text above, like the anti-panic function is way too easy to pull through (child with 2 fingers), i think i was describing the handling with the 2019 GriGri, NOT the GriGri+! Using the GriGri+, the anti-panic fuction works. I tried a bit when lowering my colleague. Then, it stays locked even when you pull harder. Only way to keep the rope going again is letting the handle go or push it forward and than back again. But I have to say that this function engages too fast. I little more pulling the handle down because of thicker ropes or more friction in the system, and the GriGri+ locks up. I can understand if people get annoyed if this case applies to them. Sadly I forgot to pull through the anti panic function to see how hard you have to pull to give the rope free again. I also didn't try to switch to this TopRope mode, but i see no point if the device is already locking quickly enough. SO: Please re-assign my second passage ( =block of text) from the GriGri+ to the GriGri 2019! The anti-panic function of the GriGri+ is NOT easy to pull through! Conclusion: I would never switch to the + or 2019 model, since the "index finger catch" is way more grabbier on my GriGri 2 (anniversary edition in wine red, bought someday in the epicTV shop). If my grigri 2 has worn through, I may take a look at the latest version of the GriGri and of course all the alternatives :)
@thomasosman1692
3 жыл бұрын
They are fazing out the gri gri 2 Bro I have an original gri gri
@bassbassbasser
5 жыл бұрын
so the 4th generation of grigri will then be grigri 2²?
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