If Lumo can compete with low cost airlines and keep it's service running with the low fares then this service deserves to succeed.
@squelchedotter
2 жыл бұрын
Would be a lot easier to compete if they removed the airline subsidies :)
@paulknight5018
2 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately that is a big if.
@enisra_bowman
2 жыл бұрын
@@squelchedotter or going the french way and banning inland airtravel. i mean, if you are not travel to an island, do you really need to be flying within a european contry?
@tomx641
2 жыл бұрын
@@enisra_bowman Banning domestic air travel would make the trains even more expensive as it would create a near monopoly. Trains need to be much, much cheaper.
@darrylrichardson7940
2 жыл бұрын
@@squelchedotter Yet again the tax payer has to pay for everything. did you not know the railway fares are also subsidised by the taxpayers who never travel by train.
@Fubar_The_WEF
2 жыл бұрын
It's about time someone recognised that British trains are massively too expensive. I once did a comparison of a UK train with one I caught in Berlin and the UK train cost 6x the price. Let's hope it succeeds and forces other train companies to reduce their prices.
@ABC_DEF
2 жыл бұрын
Not only are the train tickets in the UK ridiculously expensive, but there are people paying massively different prices for the same journey. One person might be paying £15 and the person in the next seat £120. So I always drive. Driving is far cheaper and you can leave when you like and travel door to door.
@MichaelGGarry
2 жыл бұрын
A few years ago I paid for a family of 4 to travel from Amsterdam Schipol to Hanover for 99 Euros. The price difference was ridiculous to the average UK train.
@Ink_25
2 жыл бұрын
As a German I would like to add that Germany's regional and long distance passenger trains are usually heavily subsidised. Is it the same with UK's passenger railways?
@John1986ATR
2 жыл бұрын
@@ABC_DEF while you're not wrong, if we want to reduce carbon emissions train travel should be made far more accessible and competitive to driving or flying, it being one of the least carbon emitting forms of transport per person.
@Psi-Storm
2 жыл бұрын
@@John1986ATR You actually beat an electric train in co2 emissions with both electric busses and cars (4 passengers). The problem with trains is, they drive on schedule regardless of passenger demand. So every unused seat worsens the co2 efficiency. Their current pricing model is actively working against filling every last seat, by making the tickets more expensive the closer the travel date, regardless of capacity. Trains are expensive because not enough people are using it, but people won't be using it, if their travel costs are significantly higher than just driving with a car.
@joshmore7175
2 жыл бұрын
I really really hope this company succeeds and expands their services. Train travel should be affordable and the east coast mainline is a gorgeous route
@MrDanielfff777
2 жыл бұрын
They are not affordable
@Xighor
2 жыл бұрын
@@MrDanielfff777 he said should be, not is
@MrDanielfff777
2 жыл бұрын
@@Xighor lumo is not affordable
@Xighor
2 жыл бұрын
@@MrDanielfff777 how so? It's cheaper than every other ripoff train service but it's the price it should be for every train service considering UK is a small country so a couple hundred miles on a train shouldn't cost £100 with return Considering I've paid more for a 51mile journey..
@AndrooUK
2 жыл бұрын
Although I believe that train travel should be 'affordable', what does that actually mean? Should transport companies be allowed to make profits? Should it be Government run? As an aside, the public transport for Sydney in Australia actually turns a profit, even though it's pretty damned cheap... this means that public transport can be affordable and profitable if there is sufficient service and sufficient users to make it profitable in aggregate. This won't work for low volume passenger routes or transport services, if there isn't enough money coming in to make it profitable... that's when punitive taxes and congestion or 'clean air' zones are also introduced, to try to collect revenue that otherwise would be unjustified or excessive, but can be explained away by unreasonable charge zones and onerous taxation elsewhere...
@CheapHolidayExpert
2 жыл бұрын
Great to meet you Geoff - cracking summary as per!
@topmark99
2 жыл бұрын
Ha, love a subscription crossover!
@MattNav
2 жыл бұрын
Definitely needs to be another Geoff Marshall x Cheap Holiday Expert collaboration in the future. Loved this video Geoff/Chelsea
@andrewwebb3431
2 жыл бұрын
I'm a regular Chris Moyles listener so I primarily know you, Chelsea, as James's "housemate". Seeing you pop up in a Geoff video was a big surprise! And with some very useful info too.
@noahswann
2 жыл бұрын
@@andrewwebb3431 when I saw Chelseas story on instagram about a new train service, I just knew Geoff would pop up somewhere!
@HeyItsAJOmega
2 жыл бұрын
Mentioning about clinging on to a 26-30 railcard is a big mood xD lovely to meet you via Geoff's video, Chelsea!
@nickybcrazy97
2 жыл бұрын
As someone living in Edinburgh with family in the South of England, I'm so excited by this!! The biggest barrier to visiting has always been the cost. Its great that Lumo are taking on the cheap airlines, and that they've put thought into the passenger experience! No more breaking the bank to sit in an uncomfortable seat for six hours!
@lizzie5361
2 жыл бұрын
Yep! I grew up with one parent in Edinburgh and another in London. Cost made it very inaccessible, and whilst flying is horrid for the environment, it was often a quarter of the price!
@oreilly1237878
2 жыл бұрын
The time it took between London Glasgow and Edinburgh made it a pretty ghastly option by train,I am glad they have speeded it up.
@lewismackay9533
2 жыл бұрын
LNER are basically the same price for edinburgh to london at around £30 though.
@BillyNoMates1974
2 жыл бұрын
this is a very clever business idea. take on the planes. no waiting for hours at an airport. good luck to Lumo
@mJbb23
2 жыл бұрын
It's a game-changer IMO. Good on 'em @lumo
@trojjer
2 жыл бұрын
The sad thing is that it's actually an incredibly simple idea that's been around for a long time. Give people an affordable price for a train journey, and it often speaks for itself.
@KanishQQuotes
2 жыл бұрын
@@trojjer Honestly for a under 5 hours journey their one class makes sense. These seats look great and the supposed first class experience doesn't really make a difference when travel time is less than 5 hours
@rebeccawiens4224
2 жыл бұрын
Next time I am in the UK, I will definitely choose this over flying. As a Canadian, less than 5 hours of travel is no problem at all. I love London and Edinburgh and am happy to have a viable alternative to flying available.
@mikekaraoke
2 жыл бұрын
And what other parts of the UK you love??
@rebeccawiens4224
2 жыл бұрын
@@mikekaraoke Yes, I love many other parts of the UK too.
@mikekaraoke
2 жыл бұрын
@@rebeccawiens4224 What other parts of the UK do you love??
@suburbia2050
2 жыл бұрын
There has always been a train service between Edinburgh and London
@ronpaul2725
2 жыл бұрын
The whole time I was watching this, was thinking about the Montreal - Toronto rail corridor could have something like this; as someone who takes the train once every couple of weeks from MTL to Toronto at substantially higher prices over 5.5hours, this kind of improvement could be fantastic.
@nathanwulf
2 жыл бұрын
I am a Thameslink commuter - and I can confirm the windowless seats on class 700s are preferable for falling asleep on - for me personally as there is no window ledge it is just easier to balance my neck. Therefore I'm sure others will appreciate a similar setup on the 803s. It's great we finally have an open access on the busiest line. Shame the hotel rates in Edinburgh are through the roof. Recently I paid £152 return on LNER (and that was only to Newcastle), which had worse seats than Thameslink, so good to hear Lumo picked up on that when they designed theirs, which are clearly way more comfortable than the 800s. I reckon LNER will have to revamp their interiors to compete.
@braveconcepts
2 жыл бұрын
A small seat cushion between neck, shoulder and window and your set.
@Trapper3000
2 жыл бұрын
Lumo executives: The logo just isn’t working Design team: What if we elevate the u Lumo executives: Madness! Design team: What if we elevate the m Lumo executives: You’re getting warmer
@petersmith4455
2 жыл бұрын
this lot couldnt design a donkey and cart, dreadful train
@matthewlynn793
2 жыл бұрын
For those of us chemistry folks, LUMO is an acronym for "Lowest Unoccupied Molecular Orbital". So, I suppose it makes sense that transport does occur most effeciently via a low-lying available electronic state.
@particleonazock2246
2 жыл бұрын
yes lol
@YouTube
2 жыл бұрын
Love the detail! Chelsea got an absolute bargain there...💰🚉
@TEBEnthusiast
2 жыл бұрын
OMG HI KZitem!
@Londons_railways
2 жыл бұрын
@@TEBEnthusiast it’s fake bro how do u not know YT is American and he only has 25 likes the real YT would get thousands but he is verified
@sharminsiraji533
2 жыл бұрын
@@Londons_railways if you press on the icon then the banner you would see the subs 32m
@jepast1
2 жыл бұрын
@@Londons_railways it is very real actually all you have to do is click on there picture
@what3verofficial80
2 жыл бұрын
It's KZitem
@Shinkansen1966
2 жыл бұрын
Enjoyed our interview, where I enthusiastically explain the York avoiding line. Good to meet you and another enjoyable video. Thank you.
@rg6427
Жыл бұрын
The tickets are now basically all the same price as LNER…. So this was more of a marketing stunt than anything
@Kawinah
Жыл бұрын
Only 2 years later and these trains have gone up to 49£ from KX to Edinburgh! For one way! We need to renationalise
@BritishTrainsRBX
2 жыл бұрын
Wow Lumo is just amazing I'm surprised that their journey is so much cheaper than LNER. The train itself is probably the best Hitachi train to the run in the UK unlike LNER, GWR, TPE and Hull Trains where their trains have uncomfortable seats and terrible ride quality this one has much more comfortable seats
@TEBEnthusiast
2 жыл бұрын
I agree. I would use Lumo to Scotland than LNER has its more cheaper.
@hexagon7895
2 жыл бұрын
The seats are definitely more comfortable, I understand Avanti have chosen the same design for their Hitachi trains. The ride also does seem to be better, perhaps the lack of diesel gensets adding weight?
@andrewhead6267
2 жыл бұрын
That’s the advantage of open access operators - they only have to pay marginal industry costs.
@delideli9684
2 жыл бұрын
@@hexagon7895 j
@tomstickland
2 жыл бұрын
I've never had an issue with the IET seats.
@chrisstocks7137
2 жыл бұрын
Wishing the best for the driver of 159102 and all involved in the Salisbury Train Crash
@andrewreynolds4949
2 жыл бұрын
If they do have significant issues with luggage space, which seems to be a running concern, then it might be better to convert some of those non-window seats to luggage racks.
@fToo
2 жыл бұрын
wait until a couple of cyclists want to use the racks - then the fight for space will really kick off !
@tomx641
2 жыл бұрын
@@fToo Just ban wearing lycra or spandex on the train
@darrylrichardson7940
2 жыл бұрын
fares are based on revenue /seats per mile. basic way of thinking of this 100 seats £1 pear seat per trip £100 TOTAL FOR THE TRIP. Remove the seats so the price needs to increase to make the £100. What Geoff did not mention( unless I missed it) Was that the layout was mostly airline style seating with very few tables so its an high density configuration.
@Trains_At_York
2 жыл бұрын
They definitely do have a luggage problem as I have seen on the train and seen in this video and other videos with the luggage in bike storage, door ways and most dangerously on the luggage racks above people’s heads which can be dangerous for heavy luggage. What we have to remember is that this is to be the same as plane which means it’s going to take lots of big bags but Lumo just don’t seem to be ready for that.
@tomx641
2 жыл бұрын
@@Trains_At_York Ban the extra bags. It's a cheap service, if people want extras they should go with other operators.
@juliephillips7374
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much Geoff for taking the time to chat to my son, Levi, at Edinburgh Station, give him an autograph and have your photo taken with him. It really made his week!! (Levi's Mum) 😊
@sebastiansiswick2903
2 жыл бұрын
I’m very glad they appear to be succeeding, 6months on. I regularly travel by train between Oxford and Newcastle, and I genuinely look out for the Lumo services over LNER between London and NCL. They’re typically faster, more comfortable and often a few quid cheaper
@dw620
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for mentioning the cheapest fare /after/ the introductory offer, Geoff - not noted on the other earlier reviews that I watched. Good video & review as ever. : )
@SuperMegaMonkeys
2 жыл бұрын
Hi Geoff. One issue I had when trying to have a greener holiday with my partner was bike storage on these longer distance trains. Often there are only 4 or so "racks" but they didnt actually only really fit smaller bikes or racing bikes. If you have a bike with slightly wider tyres, or handlebars they dont fit! also 4 spaces is not enough! We actually had to get a different service than our preferred because there wasnt bike space. Thats something else that could be done with those windowless seats!
@bridgettestokesconner9401
2 жыл бұрын
I’m an American. I’m so jealous! I’ve been to Germany, France and Spain. I love your trains to say the least. Here in America we have to drive EVERYWHERE or fly. I hate flying especially after 911. Trains (and quite a few other things) would make America great 😭
@brittscott4673
2 жыл бұрын
If only our trains were as good as European trains. We seem to have issues with American trains that Brits and Europeans don't have.
@powderedground78
2 жыл бұрын
The enthusiasm from everyone is this video has made me really enthusiastic by proxy for Lumo too!
@bradleyharrisYT
2 жыл бұрын
I cannot wait to try them for myself, I live in Edinburgh and go down to London fairly frequently. I have often flown instead of taking the train as it's cheaper. A minimum of £100 return with LNER, most of the time, compared to around £60 return flights to Gatwick, or £90 to Heathrow or City. Looking forward to taking the greener way to London sometime soon!
@karisdhamarai5116
2 жыл бұрын
I used Lumo this week and it's a good service. Helpful and friendly staff, comfortable seats. Could only get a cheap ticket on the return trip to kings X, but paid £19.50 each. 4.5hrs is long but, honestly, it's comfortable so you don't really notice if you remember to download some shows/movies/music.
@dw620
2 жыл бұрын
Amusing that back in the day (under British Rail) we pushed hard for more rapid journeys (EDB-KGX under 4 hours at best, 3h29 for the one-off "special"), yet now we'll happily not mention the ~30 minute slowdown in exchange for a GOOD fare. It is, admittedly, also a plus that a train is likely to arrive on time or early given a slack schedule, for ongoing connections, etc. : )
@hexagon7895
2 жыл бұрын
Worth pointing out that: 1. LUMO have been given essentially the spare paths, hence the off-pattern timetable. These are full of pathing time, over 35 mins in some cases. 2. The LUMO times are planned to be tightened up when the ECML timetable is recast, but of course that's now been postponed. 3. The 1053 Sundays Edinburgh-London LUMO service is timetabled for 4 hours and 3 mins with 2 stops. That's only 3 mins slower than LNER's Flying Scotsman which has one fewer stop. If LUMO had decent paths they could very easily have faster journeys timetabled its just the nature of the ECML set-up at present, all being well within a few years (not an ideal timescale I appreciate) it should be resolved somewhat.
@dw620
2 жыл бұрын
@@hexagon7895 I missed spotting that Sunday service, thank you: almost worth catching in its own right for rapidity! Looking forward to seeing how this develops over the next few years, even if being stuck north of ABD nowadays makes full appreciation somewhat more difficult!
@hexagon7895
2 жыл бұрын
@@dw620 No worries, I didn't notice it myself either - I had it pointed out. Sadly it ran 22 mins late on its first day, but that was very much out of LUMO's control. Now if in a couple of years they can get most/all services down to nearer the 4-hour mark I think they'll really be on to a winner and LNER will have to watch out! ;)
@24sweetroller7
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video on the new Lumo Train. Once we get past the pandemic stage and can freely travel again, this train would be a good alternative to plane travel between London and Edinburgh. I graduated from Edinboro University of Pennsylvania many years ago, and it would be fun to see the place that was possibly my alma mater's namesake, Edinburgh, Scotland. Thanks for all the other links in the description.
@317Dan
2 жыл бұрын
4:55 that's no allotment! That's the site of the old wagon repair shed, that got knocked down a few months back
@vjaska
2 жыл бұрын
Great to see a train company actually have comfortable seats on their new trains - Thameslink & TfL Rail take note
@grassytramtracks
Жыл бұрын
I'm not sure that seat comfort is that big of a problem on the Elizabeth line because people are using it for short journeys, but Thameslink, LNER, and GWR really ought to sort it out
@hst180tube
2 жыл бұрын
I’ve been waiting for this Geoff and I wasn’t disappointed! You nailed it (except the diesel slip!!!), packed with Lumo facts and features. I can’t wait to have a look round one. 👍
@frankdsouza2425
2 жыл бұрын
Very, very good, Geoff. So informative on so many of the little things, which can make a huge difference.
@marksaddler
2 жыл бұрын
Coming to London later this month- been booked as two singles so I’m one way with LNER and then return with LUMO so this is very interesting
@timsully8958
2 жыл бұрын
Well this was rather well timed! I’ve been talking to my good lady about going to Edinburgh and this looks ideal, especially as we usually take our own grub and usually have to plan months in advance! Plus I would ALWAYS rather go by train than fly 🤓 Plus, like most, I have never been on the York Avoiding Line, so that would be a saddo ‘tick’ for me too 😂 The seats looked comfy and I like that they seem to have done their homework, so let’s hope they succeed. Main thing is, it looks a lot nicer than going on poxy Ryan Air 😏 Cheers Geoff, another interesting thing that I might not have otherwise found out about! 😀👍
@taffytop
2 жыл бұрын
This is the Mega Bus of trains. Do the same review in 6 months time to compare if its better, worse or the same, well done Geoff.
@colin.d
2 жыл бұрын
Competition on the ECML will hopefully drive up standards and keep fares competitive. The lack of stopping stations on the route is good as these slow journey times down.
@InvadedOath
2 жыл бұрын
The York avoiding line goes past our house and I heard it the other day without realising what it was
@ianhudson2193
2 жыл бұрын
Not been over it for years........think the last time was behind a 37 on a rake of NSE liveried Mk1s....
@patrickhughlynch56
2 жыл бұрын
A another Geoff Master - piece -Keep on tracking.
@NaenaeGaming
2 жыл бұрын
Nice to see another open access on the east coast, joining Hull Trains and that Grand Central 180 at the start of the video!
@TheLittletwitcher
2 жыл бұрын
I saw this go past earlier in Bedfordshire and was very confused by it! This video explains why I didn't recognise it!
@ChelseaPrivateEquity
2 жыл бұрын
I road the train from London to Edinburgh on 02 Nov 2021. Love the service. I have ridden the route before with other train operators so I know what to expect for the journey. The Lumo service met or exceeded expectations. I had never seen a Geoff recording before. Great style.
@anautistictrainspotter
2 жыл бұрын
Looking forward to when I get the chance to ride on these between Edinburgh and Newcastle, was great chatting with you Geoff hope to see you again soon From Kieron Adam 👍
@TheLucyblades
2 жыл бұрын
This is great. As a Londoner who went to University in Scotland, I travelled by plane and train, moreso by plane as it was literally cheaper and faster, though I felt bad about the green energy aspect of it, and the sub-hour flight time felt a little silly. I wish this service had come in sooner. It looks great.
@edwardalexander9486
2 жыл бұрын
Only thing is the window blind which covers two seats - that is definately going to cause annoyance to at least one customer.
@draycotewateris5056
2 жыл бұрын
Geoff showed no concern at all about possible fisticuffs over the shared blinds and plug sockets🏃♀️🏃♂️👮♂️😲 5:40
@j.wellens5660
2 жыл бұрын
It's no different to any train carriage seating in the UK, except if you decide to adjust the blind, you aren't always sat face to face with the person whose lighting you are adjusting... If you want total control over the blind that covers your window when travelling, the only hope you have is flying first class. Flying economy you will often find that you share your blind with someone else too, and thats with an airline style porthole blind....
@j.wellens5660
2 жыл бұрын
@@draycotewateris5056 shared blinds is a non starter - find me another uk rail provider who doesn't have them - shared sockets is a bit stretched too - one socket and two USBs to share between two people is above and beyond for a low cost carrier wouldn't you say?
@Thornaby37
2 жыл бұрын
That's why it is always a good idea to speak to the person/people in the other seat before opening or closing the blind
@nickhiscock8948
2 жыл бұрын
that is a very strange design smaller windows that allowed every seat to have there own window and blind would have been more practical.
@XaviMacBash
2 жыл бұрын
always love these types of videos from you. have been waiting for this one.
@TM-hl7ir
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks much for this introduction. I’ve now added it to my list and the Lumo app to my phone. This Yank can’t wait to get to the UK this Spring. I’ll take Lumo to New Castle and Hadrian’s Wall. Thanks Geoff
@josephinebennington7247
2 жыл бұрын
Newcastle.
@hologram1211
2 жыл бұрын
Great idea to take on the airlines, especially in light of COP and recent budget madness! Definitely rather let the train take the strain than do that trip on a plane.
@Xighor
2 жыл бұрын
Those Politicians and Elitists who went to cop still went on their private jets, drove in there gas car Motorcades than went in a private jet home They're hypocrites and I personally don't listen to people who don't practice what they preach
@warrenrobie
2 жыл бұрын
I know nothing about trains but I was really entertained during this video and learned a lot! Great detail and amazing video! Well done mate 💯👏🏻
@strafrag1
2 жыл бұрын
Great review! Yes, I believe those windowless seats should be left alone. During holiday, peak travel times they will come in handy. Cheers.
@eyeofthetiger6002
2 жыл бұрын
The UK has got a good tie up with Hitachi one of the best in the business for its high speed trains being the maker of the famous bullet trains in Japan.
@zzzzzzzzzzy
9 ай бұрын
i can vouch that this train operator is fantastic. i live in banbury which is north oxfordshire and i can get a direct train to newcastle for £80 but i discovered Lumo as at the time of travel, there was engineering between Banbury and Birmingham. it takes 4 hours on the train to travel between Banbury and Newcastle but from King's Cross, i paid half the price and it only took 3 hours even though London is very south on Banbury. the shortest journey for a passanger is 3 hours as you cant depart from the train at Stevenage so the train has small, medium and large luggage storage. you can also pre-order meals for your journey for an additional fee. i would love to use this service to visit scotland one day as it works out to be cheaper and quicker than going from my hometown.
@mypointofview1111
2 жыл бұрын
I travelled 120 miles from Warsaw to Kielce in Poland for.£13.45 a few years ago. That was a standard fare on their newest fastest trains. Rather than marvelling at how cheap the fares for a trip across the UK can be, we should be looking at how expensive travel in the UK is. I'm sure if fares were cheaper more people would travel across the UK which in turn would bring more business to other parts of the country
@8dparadise884
Жыл бұрын
I paid around £8 for that exact same journey
@cheeseburgerbeefcake
2 жыл бұрын
Looks like a nice service and solid pricing, the no-window seats are a great thing in my opinion, not for everyone but really nice to hide away on a cold day.
@mcwulf25
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Geoff, this is good to know. A minor comment but some of us live in Edinburgh and might want to go to London. 😉
@TomKenyon1878
2 жыл бұрын
This is great. This could be the beginning of the end of extortionate train ticket prices. As the other firms will have no choice but to lower their prices. Hopefully they can eventually expand their network to plenty more locations 👍🏼
@mattevans4377
2 жыл бұрын
We need a service like this on the WCML that goes through Manchester. Then it can compete against flights to and from Manchester Airport. Also would allow services to Glasgow of course.
@unknowndomain
2 жыл бұрын
100% it's so expensive right now
@Thornaby37
2 жыл бұрын
One flaw with that idea Manchester is on the wrong side of the Pennines to be served by ECML services
@PianoKwanMan
2 жыл бұрын
The WCML is the busiest of all the lines, unfortunately. I don't think there is capacity
@DavidKnowles0
2 жыл бұрын
@@PianoKwanMan Not until HS2 is complete in the 2030s, hopefully sooner.
@dblissmn
2 жыл бұрын
Pity they closed the Woodhead line and Sheffield Victoria instead of upgrading its electrification or acquiring locomotives that can do both DC and AC.
@MikeWillSee
2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant video Geoff, it was lovely to bump into you along the way!
@lucabarretta6216
2 жыл бұрын
hey Geoff! It was nice to see you on the Monday (white jumper at 1:02). Someone actually had a spare ticket for the train but I wasn't ready for a long trip out at all. Hope the journey was alright for you though! :)
@MikeWillSee
2 жыл бұрын
Omg that was you! Hello! (I'm the guy who offered you a ticket and you're in my video, hope you don't mind!)
@mcbain23
2 жыл бұрын
8:57 Morpeth, my lovely home town, featured in a Geoff Marshall video! Fame at last!
@KeithApp
2 жыл бұрын
Such a great idea. For just £30 each way, I'd happily travel on this service between London and Edinburgh as an alternative to flying. Especially if the overhead storage space can fit a standard cabin sized bag. I'd also like to have the non-window seat to work on the laptop without glare. Hope this is successful, and they launch routes in the future.
@Chillmax
2 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of Freddie Laker, a company with a great attitude & with low prices but a quality service. Gook Luck Lumo!
@rachelpowell4314
2 жыл бұрын
Now we need a open acess operator like this on the great Western line especially between Cardiff and london
@DavidKnowles0
2 жыл бұрын
It will probably happen but only once HS2 is up and running as there very little spare capacity on the line at the minute.
@anylex5328
2 жыл бұрын
Err... That would be competing with First Group who own GWR and, er, Lumo too. 😅
@FlyingPlastic356
2 жыл бұрын
@@anylex5328 Maybe LNER will sneakily do the reverse there and create an open access operator to compete with GWR lol
@simonm4885
2 жыл бұрын
Hi Geoff I'm the Simon who got talking to you in Edinburgh and was doing the comparison of Lumo Vs Plane. I made it to Glasgow Airport and flew back to Heathrow with British Airways. In summary I really enjoyed riding the Lumo on its first public run from London. Despite there being a couple of teething problems that's inevitable from anything that's new I do think that Lumo is showing the way forward. The seats was very comfortable throughout the journey and a fellow passenger took advantage of the winged chairs by having a quick sleep during the journey. I am thinking of taking another trip once Lumo introduce more services. In comparison my quick 1 hour flight was very enjoyable on a fully booked plane. A complimentary drink and snack for every passenger took me completely by supprised. My train and plane ticket cost about the same however at least with the latter there is no extra charge for picking a seat amongst other extra charges. If asked to make a descion on which I preferred I don't think I could give a straight answer.
@jaybee1921
2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video on the new Lumo service Geoff, well done. 🙂👏👍
@Mirz-ei6tg
2 жыл бұрын
Simply Railways was there with you Geoff!
@ubergeekian
2 жыл бұрын
The really exciting bit is that ECML overhead is notoriously unreliable, that Lumo sets are the only ones operating north of York without diesel back up and that they don't have a Thunderbird contract of any sort to shift their trains if the wires stop working. It could be fun ...
@LordHeath1972
2 жыл бұрын
2:00 Traveling from London to Edinburgh and then returning the next day? Damn girl, you definitely have some endurance!!!
@nancypegg6182
2 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love when Geoff posts a new video, they are so good!
@ianbird6997
2 жыл бұрын
Finger cross for this to succeeded, this will be a breath of fresh air to cheaper rail travel and how much train tickets should cost. Fantastic Lumo 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
@Howch125
2 жыл бұрын
Good to see a rail company taking a competitive outlook, lets hope for more routes with cheap fares in the future! ECML avoiding York is a strange choice though..?
@shinydavidhowell
2 жыл бұрын
That is almost certainly a way of meeting the requirement for an open access operator to not be "primarily extractive" of the core franchises. The Morpeth stop is probably related to that too, and because of the infamous curve south of the station it doesn't add that much time to the journey either because trains already have to run slowly through Morpeth...
@SteamboatWilley
2 жыл бұрын
I like the idea of being able to pre-order food. It eliminates the problem of turning up and finding out the buffet has run out of your preferred meal option.
@thproductionwensleydale624
2 жыл бұрын
I'll be keeping my eyes open for these trains on the East Coast Main Line from Now (although if I am on the viewing deck at the National Railway Museum at York I'll remember that I won't be able to see the Blue Train when they go North) Great Train as always, keep it up Geoff.👍🚋🚂
@kbunky69
2 жыл бұрын
Love trains . Traveling on them are great way and the UK and European countries have amazing services
@jacobjones34
2 жыл бұрын
As somone who always drives this is an amazing service and idea. Might actually use it !
@trojjer
2 жыл бұрын
Go for it, it's such a boring drive!
@ABC_DEF
2 жыл бұрын
Ditto. I live in Edinburgh and always drive to everywhere in the UK except London. When I need to make a long journey (Edinburgh to Exeter, for example) I check the train prices and they are always hundreds of pounds, so I drive.
@andrereloaded1425
2 жыл бұрын
Nearing Edinburgh and seeing Arthur's Seat in the distance... it's a special place.
@UNIX32
2 жыл бұрын
I love the livery on that Shinkansen! Good to see more Shinkalion in the UK.
@johnhenryoliver1
2 жыл бұрын
Intelligent way to get ahead of trend towards eventual phasing out of guards & any associated disputes by creation of train ambassador role
@dazzlingdaz187
2 жыл бұрын
Great video Geoff. I would definitely convert the windowless seats into a luggage rack, I'd be very peeved if sold a ticket there.
@cukuwaekele
2 жыл бұрын
It was nice to see you and have a brief conversation in person Geoff last Monday morning on the train.
@ahpadt
2 жыл бұрын
Sounds good but I've seen too many £300 return tickets to Manchester before I believe the remaining 40% of tickets won't creep up well beyond £100...
@neilwilson5785
2 жыл бұрын
I hope that it doesn't happen. The corporate guys have bben forcing up rail prices for too long. They should just travel with the rest of us.
@spacemanclips
2 жыл бұрын
@@neilwilson5785 I think that train driver salaries have played their part in forcing up prices too!
@almatt21
2 жыл бұрын
Can't find a trip that doesn't make you change train at York crazy
@kieran1990able
2 жыл бұрын
I once used LNER to go Edinburgh which was quite expensive, paid 50 quid. Hopefully next summer, I get to use this train with affordable price to visit beautiful city Edinburgh again!!
@WCMLtrainspotter
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the autograph geoff
@GerardPedrico
2 жыл бұрын
It looks posh, luxurious in a way, and futuristic. Awesome. High speed railway travel is becoming more and more convincing, reassuring, and appealing to use. It is even more comfortable than traveling on short distance flights from airports.
@GerardPedrico
2 жыл бұрын
It would be very "luxurious" and "opulent" if they play light jazz lounge music to greet passengers, and a fragrant sprayer spraying puffs of fragrance in the train cars.
@StuK323
2 жыл бұрын
So I’m guessing rather then the “right away” message, the guard just says to the driver “engage”?
@LondonLawyer
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you KZitem for recommending this video!
@SkateGeneva
2 жыл бұрын
The ICE4 train in Germany also has some seats without windows, had the chance (?) of sitting in one of those seats last year from Mannheim up to Köln, and it was a great opportunity to work and read, but in reality it didn't make the biggest of differences because the high-speed line has lots of tunnels so the view out the window is compromised a lot.
@patrickreuvekamp
2 жыл бұрын
Not only ICE 4: this is the case with ICE 3 and ICE T as well. (I am not sure about ICE 1 and 2.) And there are also seats that have a very small piece of window next to them, which isn't great either. When I reserve a seat, which I only do when I am travelling long distance with a suitcase, I always try to get one with a good view out of the window.
@Trainlevel2
Жыл бұрын
Didn't know about the 26-30 railcard, thanks Chelsea! This is a nice deal as someone who's not been to Edinburgh in a very long time
@HeyItsAJOmega
2 жыл бұрын
I'd be fascinated to compare Lumo's prices with the average ticket prices for London to Edinburgh services in decades past. It's fantastic that they are offering such an affordable service; I've always found it ludicrous that train travel is often more expensive than FLYING, so good on Lumo for tackling that! But I would be curious to see how it compares to ticket prices for the same journey down the years, and whether the 'cheap, low-cost' option now was once upon a time just the standard price for train travel between the two cities. Excellent video, Geoff! and for the record, given how much I hate them on Pendolinos, NO to no-window seats! Give me a window and extra luggage space any day ^_^
@ste6826
2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant news for Edinburgh, Newcastle, and London.
@LeornianCyng
2 жыл бұрын
Been waiting for this. Absolutely brilliant video, hopefully get a chance to travel up. I went up on the Virgin train a few years back. This looks a lot better.
@tomsargentvevo9216
2 жыл бұрын
can’t beat virgin
@Martin_Adams184
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Geoff. An excellently produced, and encouraging, introduction to this new service.
@MrGreatplum
2 жыл бұрын
It looks great and railways need to compete with the airlines (I flew with my family Gatwick to Glasgow return for around £240 including luggage; looking at Trainline, the cheapest tickets are around £380 for the same thing currently - not with this new train.) The only bad thing about these trains appears to be the lack of luggage space.
@gezcampbell-smith4806
Жыл бұрын
Their 17:56 to London on a Saturday is superb. My son and I are Hearts season ticket holders living in Essex, and before Lumo the only train back after full time was the 17:21 from Haymarket, so it was either chancing your arm walking / running up the Dalry Road, or the more expensive option of flying via Gatwick or Stansted.
@tomcroucher
2 жыл бұрын
Yep definitely get luggage racks in those spaces!! This is gonna be a big issue for those with suitcases
@eddherring3088
2 жыл бұрын
Do you remember when you could put your luggage in the guards van? Come to think of it, do you remember guards vans on trains?
@nickhiscock8948
2 жыл бұрын
Why do these trains not have a checked luggage facility? Queensland Rail have checked luggage options and its all placed in the crew car or baggage car on most trains or in a closed off on train luggage areas on tilt trains. given alot of Queensland Rail trains are overnight services its very useful to have your luggage securely stored while sleeping.
@yamamoto6547
2 жыл бұрын
If you ask me, I do mind windowless seats. As soon as I saw that part showing those seats, I suddenly felt tightness of chest like something powerful was embracing around my chest. I felt that uncomfortable. I'm not doing extras. A very informative and entertaining video though.
@DanKeeley
2 жыл бұрын
This is EXACTLY what we need NOT air flight tax reduction!!
@johnledingham852
2 жыл бұрын
Enjoyed that light hearted yet informative trip you took me on Geoffrey. If I can get up to the UK again before they stuff me into the pine box, that journey will be on my plastic bucket list. Trouble is Australia is so far away from the rest of the world, it costs an arm and a leg to get up there. But sometimes with the world going crazy, I feel our isolation has it's good points. However, when this pandemic subsides I'll sell imaginary Lamborghini and get up there!
@nice_tri_dan4400
2 жыл бұрын
It reminds me of the Wrexham and Shropshire service to London. Sadly a certain rail company that begins with V made it difficult to operate. It was very handy when I worked in London. I could get on the train at Telford Central at 6:17am and get a couple more hours of kip. There was a lovely café opposite Marylebone that I used to have a nice Friday lunch before heading back to the Shire.
@mcwulf25
2 жыл бұрын
At least this time it doesn't have to take a torturous route like the Wrexham train had to through the West Midlands.
@mikeburnitt403
2 жыл бұрын
Virgin couldnt have cared less about W&S, it was the DaFT who insisted Virgin complained, but I guess its just easier to blame the TOCs for everything isnt it!
@thebiggerbyte5991
2 жыл бұрын
I was on Hitachi 800s between Hull Paragon and Kings Cross last week, both LNER and Hull Trains, and can attest that the seat padding is very thin - those Lumo seats look MUCH better. And the trains are a lovely colour, too :)
@highpath4776
2 жыл бұрын
thought it was the fault of hitachi - or the DFT specification ?
@thebiggerbyte5991
2 жыл бұрын
@@highpath4776 I have no idea whose bean-counters were responsible, but I do wish they’d had a sit down in a HST first.
@Rocketed12
Жыл бұрын
The standard seats in a Class 800 are allegedly good for "6 hours" bum on seat! Sadly the seats are rock hard on all 800's except the Lumo trains, which have completely different seats - Better, meaning more comfortable
@Jonjooooo
2 жыл бұрын
Chelsea fan club represent
@CheapHolidayExpert
2 жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣
@KAIDAX
2 жыл бұрын
I just googled up a train from London To Edinburgh. I am happy that I will finally be able to get from my howm town to Newcastle without needing to go to London first!
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