0:25 - Arthur’s famous quote. I love 35mm lenses. The most versatile focal length for a prime lens. I’m hoping to find a video comparing this, the Sony, the Zeiss, and the new Sigma 35mm f/2.
@KNURKonesur
3 жыл бұрын
Been using this lens for a month now, sold the Samyang 35/1.4 to use this. And I'm never going back :D
@adsmaster
3 жыл бұрын
Does eye autofocus work really great in video? Thank you in advance!
@steventan7543
3 жыл бұрын
Which is better lens sir ? 1.8 or 1.4?
@Halfday04
3 жыл бұрын
좋은 영상 감사합니다. 제가 살고 있는 나라에서 만들어진 렌즈고 또 사고 싶은 렌즈였는데 리뷰 해 주셔서 감사합니다! Thank you for the good video. It was made in my country where I live and I wanted to buy it. Thank you for your review!
@legend240891
3 жыл бұрын
I have both the Sony FE 35mm f1.8 and this lens. At half the price, this lens is sharper, pulling focus more naturally in video and according to Arthur, it's even sharper than the crowned Sigma 30mm f1.4 on an APS-C body (that doesn't happen a lot, Full frame glasses are usually less sharp on APS-C bodies). Chromatic Aberration is pretty much gone when you step down even at f2. Samyang is killing the game with this series. They constantly updating the firmware too. No reason to go for the 1st party lenses anymore.
@klaramerse6256
3 жыл бұрын
Is it true that the autofocus is slower with this lens than with Sony 35mm f1.8? The autofocus is my biggest concern with this lens... (i'm thinking about buying it) :)
@PatrickWithCamera
2 жыл бұрын
Samyang 35mm 1.8 is shaper @1.8 than sigma 30mm 1.4 @1.8? What about chromatic aberration at 1.8 vs sigma @1.8? I'm torn between samyang and sigma for my a6600, don't know which to chose
@ozisovertherainbow
Жыл бұрын
@@PatrickWithCamera i'm in the same situation. which one did you buy?
@PatrickWithCamera
Жыл бұрын
@@ozisovertherainbow Took sigma 30/1.4, was dissapointed with chromatic aberration and overall weird rendering, subjects are getting cut like in photoshop and pasted into background that doesn't belong to picture. Had to use mostly F/2.8 to get satisfied result, so I sold it and using sigma zoom, but also not happy with it, still searching.
@ozisovertherainbow
Жыл бұрын
@@PatrickWithCamera thanks for the answer. i was thinking of buying Sigma since Samyang has worse CA.
@Jofranz
3 жыл бұрын
Looking forward to your review in the upcoming tamron 17-70mm f2.8!
@DrWasim
3 жыл бұрын
That could be the perfect allrounder!
@Jofranz
3 жыл бұрын
@@DrWasim its what I am waiting for
@vincentkc48
3 жыл бұрын
Whaaaa where do y’all get your camera news from lol
@Jofranz
3 жыл бұрын
@@vincentkc48 haha my feed is about my hobbies soo I pretty much get updated once I browse haha
@FelluRan
3 жыл бұрын
Shame it was made for aps-c...😅
@izayus11
3 жыл бұрын
You are a great reviewer. However, what sets you apart of everybody else is the photos of your family. Your wife and son are both beautiful, so they both provide pragmatic examples of what a lens would look like when photographing people. Other reviewers take pics of walls, funko toys, landscapes, etc. I take pictures of my wife and kid, and I need to know what lens takes the best pictures of them. Keep up with the good work.
@noctilux5134
3 жыл бұрын
nice video as always Arthur. It would have been nice to test it out on your A7. I wonder how busy the bokeh looks like, and if the lens gives a "3D" feel/separation to the subject. CA would have been -a bit- less noticeable on FF but still quite present (right??). I bought the 24mm/2.8 for 200 instead of 300 brand new on sale. Man what a beast on the A7 !
@heretikpapy
6 ай бұрын
The 28mm f2 is my fav for now. With a Gimbal... so much fun. Nailed everything I do. What a deal.
@KhairulOnggon
3 жыл бұрын
Wow! Thank you for this video. Just what i need.
@gregbarbosa0
3 жыл бұрын
My Samyang 35mm f/2.8 always impresses me with its quality, even though it does have that plasticky feel. I wonder if you can modify the side switch on the f/1.8 using the Rokinon firmware software update tool?
@TheRod2u
3 жыл бұрын
Yes you can, but you need to attach lens to the lens station.
@dwmspace
3 жыл бұрын
Nice lens and review. Would have been nice though to see some example photos on full frame. Also just a tidbit, Samyang and Rokinon are the same. Just a different name depending on the market you buy from. It was just a little confusing like around @7:21 when you referred to the lenses as Rokinon vs Samyang, instead of their F number when they are both labelled Samyang on your image processor.
@Martinez_Photos
3 жыл бұрын
Your pictures convinced me that I needed to get this lens. Although, I bought the Samyang branded version. Thanks.
@PatrickJaszewski
3 жыл бұрын
How is the focus breathing? I'd love to see a comparison of this vs the Sony FE 35mm f1.8 and Sony E 35mm f1.8
@jpvvandermerwe87
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for the review. Because of this clip, i am buying one next month. Much Appreciated.
@breadandcircuses5644
13 күн бұрын
It is 2024 and I shoot on the Sony a6700 with the awesome 16-55mm f/2.8 G lense attached. For street photography I am looking for a compact 35mm f2 or faster lense My question: This Rokinon is double as fast as the Sony 16-55, is it also sharper?
@joshyookphotography
2 жыл бұрын
Great review and wonderful family! Thanks for sharing
@anthonyonyedika5110
3 жыл бұрын
I was waiting to hear "creamy bokeh" 😭😭😭😭😭
@KNURKonesur
3 жыл бұрын
creamy bokeh is the blight of almost all modern lenses... silky, smooth, creamy... boring As F***.
@anthonyonyedika5110
3 жыл бұрын
@@KNURKonesur he is much more interesting to me..
@GilbertTV
3 жыл бұрын
I've tried it & I find it first class
@x_jaydn
3 жыл бұрын
I'm now hoping Samyang/Rokinon will develop their own 20 F1.8 G 😏
@stefanpanayotov4538
3 жыл бұрын
there is 24 f1.8 from viltrox coming ..
@GrizDrummer25
3 жыл бұрын
I was stoked to get the Samyang 35/2.8 after I saw how sharp it preformed in tests. I've been super disappointed with it. Pretty sharp, but huge vignette, terrible manual focus, and frankly too small for the way I hold my camera (one hand on the lens). May need to bump up to the 1.8 eventually ;)
@Whittmike2011
3 жыл бұрын
The images and video look delicious! I can't wait until you learn some off camera flash, so you can take your photography to the next level! The image at 5:09 would have been superb, with a little light on your subjects!!
@Kusgan4x4
11 ай бұрын
Great video. So you did this on a APS-C ? So the samples were more like a 52mm?
@MrPhillipsTheChangeAgent
Жыл бұрын
Thank you was considering this or the 1.8 but 1.8 is so much larger.
@seancloutier2577
3 жыл бұрын
when do you think the next sony apc is coming out... I am only looking forward to 10bit video and maybe a few more megapixels on the camera
@ttown1376
Жыл бұрын
the samyang 1.4 first edition is about the same price. Which would you go with between this and that
@gregorybeale
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for another great video. Question: Is the chromatic ab eration easily correctable in lightroom? Im thinking of getting an A73 and Im leaning towards this lens!
@KNURKonesur
3 жыл бұрын
It's easy in Lightroom. Why use this lens with a crop sensor camera though?
@dridley318
2 жыл бұрын
@@KNURKonesur why not
@joshisthebestwooha20
2 жыл бұрын
@@KNURKonesur A7iii is full frame
@napalmdom
3 жыл бұрын
is it quiet?
@ramansingh5209
3 жыл бұрын
Hi Arthur, Sigma 30mm 1.4 or Samyang 35mm 1.8 please suggest which one to go for with my Sony 5100 as my first prime...Please suggest
@ReassuringSmile
3 жыл бұрын
I have a Sony 50mm f1.8 for portraits and I'm debating whether I should pick up a Sony 35mm f1.8, I've seen samples photos and I don't see much difference. I was thinking instead of picking up a 35mm, I can just take a few steps back with my 50mm to achieve the 35mm look...... Or is there a significant difference between 35mm and 50mm?
@ManishSharma-pp2oh
3 жыл бұрын
How af perform in video ? Comparison with native lens ?
@kaisilva7154
3 жыл бұрын
Does this do well for landscape shots ?
@georged769
3 жыл бұрын
Can you please also give a review to this lens’ brother - Samyang 24 f 1.8 for Sony e-mount? Thank you,
@danieldelrosario6836
3 жыл бұрын
Hey Arthur I have been watching your videos and would like your recommendation on which first lense I should buy my gf for christmas for her a6000. It's her first mirrorless camera and she is getting into photography. She would most likely use it for traveling (travels a lot) and for wondering around the city after a cup off coffee or during biking. I narrowed it down to the Sony 35mm f 1.8 and the sigma 16mm you use all the time. Which would be the best for her? I can get either for around $300-$350.
@danieldelrosario6836
3 жыл бұрын
Also she does record with the kit camera here and there for just recording the landscape she is in. She travels practically in urban and in nature settings.
@danieldelrosario6836
3 жыл бұрын
one more thing, she did also want a wider camera lense but something easy to travel with
@dreamsstudio3691
Жыл бұрын
hi.. which lense are better between samyang 35mm f1.8 vs viltrox 35mm f1.8 ?
@anatolyivanov890
3 жыл бұрын
What if it's a bit sharper on edges because you tried it on APS-C sensor and it doesn't even reach the real edges of this lens.
@kevinreyesphotography
3 жыл бұрын
You have to consider the 1.53 crop factor on the a6100, thus making the 35mm a 53.55mm lens. The a6100 is not full frame, but the lens is. Just something to consider for those not knowing the difference.
@matmat6031
3 жыл бұрын
Wait for the review of the new Sigma 35mm F2
@noctilux5134
3 жыл бұрын
just watched a review of the Sigma 35/2. Kind of heavy 300+ grammes. Performance seems.... impressive lol. Still, makes the camera very "front heavy" relative to the Samyang-Rokinon...
@whysantiwhy
3 жыл бұрын
I’m confused. Is this a samyang lens? Or is the samyang 35mm 1.8 a different lens? When I search for it I just find the samyang lens.
@AJCoReTV
3 жыл бұрын
Do they have a 20mm version of this? I just paid $850 for the 20mm 1.8f G
@manpreetsingh9355
3 жыл бұрын
@arthur , how is autofocus sound and focus hunting while talking video
@piusdrozario2044
3 жыл бұрын
I'm looking into vide shoots primarily for Restaurent promos, and photoshoots of university events and portraits. Which do you think is better choice amongst the Sigma 30mm 1.4 and this Rokinon 35mm 1.8 on my A6000 ?
@ozisovertherainbow
Жыл бұрын
I’m in same situation. Did you buy any of these lens?
@mario_egger
3 жыл бұрын
have you already tried it against the sony zeiss 2.8 on a full frame?
@markshirley01
3 жыл бұрын
Is the 18mm samyang good as well
@pfoster616
3 жыл бұрын
Hi Arthur. Have an a5100 but looking to upgrade. Looking at 6100 or 6400. Price difference between the 6400 is fairly small, but is there anything the 6400 offers over the 6100? The specs seem almost identical. Thank you.
@ramspencer5492
3 жыл бұрын
Only crop sensor testing?
@joydipmitra1457
3 жыл бұрын
Plss sir tell me the best budget 85mm lens for sony e mount full frame ....
@familistu2000
3 жыл бұрын
I would stick with the Samyang 45mm f1.8 FE for Sony. It's such a beautiful lens.
@Chris-ey7zy
2 жыл бұрын
Nice
@hasanagera
3 жыл бұрын
6:50 I think that sigma lens is for apc sensors and there is a crop factor so that number should be around 45mm, am I right?
@RealNightFuryX
3 жыл бұрын
Yes thats correct and the rokinon 35mm 1.8 becomes 52mm in crop sensor cameras
@martinhappy3131
3 жыл бұрын
I heard the ttartisan 50mm f1.2.would you try it?
@danielss23
3 жыл бұрын
Will you review Samyang 12mm AF F2.0?
@fernandagunsanchannel
3 жыл бұрын
comparison with samyang 35mm F 1.4 please
@KNURKonesur
3 жыл бұрын
This has better continuous AF in video. Both are very sharp and contrasty on full frame. The 35/1.4 is super big and heavy though.
@fabiocazzato8505
3 жыл бұрын
For video with Sony mark 3 va bene ?
@highaquatic3055
3 жыл бұрын
is this lens meant for ff cameras?
@inidreamtheater
3 жыл бұрын
Can it be used on an apsc camera?
@mtpicasso1982
3 жыл бұрын
Yes, he did use it on APS-C in the video
@KNURKonesur
3 жыл бұрын
Of course it can be used on apsc cameras. Why?
@md.saminyeasaribnazaman5054
3 жыл бұрын
Sir I'm looking for a budget compact and relatively sharp lens forSir I'm looking for a budget compact and relatively sharp lens(35mm eq on apsc) for street photography on my sony a6400. Please do suggest me.
@marqzho
3 жыл бұрын
I have the 35mm F1.4 version
@ArthurR
3 жыл бұрын
Its a bit bigger than this one!
@marqzho
3 жыл бұрын
@@ArthurR triple the weight....I'm tempted to switch
@108u9
3 жыл бұрын
@Arthur R How did you do the thumbnail shot?
@lucaandolina281
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much, a complete review (as always!). This lense has not stabilization, has it?
@mirrorlessny
3 жыл бұрын
no stabilization that's correct
@rickyng26
3 жыл бұрын
Is there a difference with the samyang and Rokinon versions? I always wondered why they make two...
@ArthurR
3 жыл бұрын
No, same company with two names.
@KNURKonesur
3 жыл бұрын
Same as some countries will have Vauxhall and most of the world will have Opel. Same brand, different name. Possibly different factory and distributors around the world, but same product.
@phucmapvlog
3 жыл бұрын
Was hoping this was for Sony apsc...
@amitkrupal1234
3 жыл бұрын
It does work
@pizzablender
3 жыл бұрын
I wish it was 23/24mm. Then I would use it on APS-C.
@legend240891
3 жыл бұрын
mate why do you have to hope? It's a Full Frame lens and it's sharper than the APS-C glasses on APS-C.
@gadgetsandtech
3 жыл бұрын
No problems! You can use it on an APSC. All FE lenses works on E mount. Cheers!
@elke1317
3 жыл бұрын
@@legend240891 But on APS-C it's not a 35 mm lens, it works like a 45 - 50mm lens.
@electrichimp
3 жыл бұрын
Any plans of trying the a7c?
@ArthurR
3 жыл бұрын
Thinking about it!
@isavkov
3 жыл бұрын
Is it a noisy lens when it autofocus?
@ArthurR
3 жыл бұрын
No, very quiet.
@MrHnnnnnnnngh
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this review, I got this for my Sony A6600, hoping to catch a lot of family memories.
@keystonebrotherb
3 жыл бұрын
Just got the 7artisans 35 f/0.95 in the mail!
@keystonebrotherb
3 жыл бұрын
Neither is my a6400.
@thomaskong5
3 жыл бұрын
that was a nasty lense flare lmao
@FikriNaufaly
2 жыл бұрын
Mirip samyang yaaa
@earlabutanmo3271
3 жыл бұрын
is this worth it to sell my samyang 35 f1.4 to exchange with f1.8. thanks
@mahektailor4542
3 жыл бұрын
That is what I wanted to know
@felipebarreto128
2 жыл бұрын
tks for video.
@saketkumar5984
3 жыл бұрын
Please making video sony a7c
@dxh0
3 жыл бұрын
Samyang has 85mm lens for Sony?
@QuietOC
3 жыл бұрын
They make several 85mm lenses for Sony.
@keithspillett
3 жыл бұрын
I don't know how Samyang/Rokinon produce these things for the price! I have the f/2.8 version, which I use on an A7ii and A6000, and I'm very pleased with its performance!
@devinhelgeson
3 жыл бұрын
Would you recommend over the sigma?
@ArthurR
3 жыл бұрын
Yes, especially if you have both apsc and full frame cameras.
@AJCoReTV
3 жыл бұрын
@@ArthurR I’m returning my recently purchased 30mm sigma 1.4, since I now own A7c... (A6100/A7C), will buy this instead based on your reply to OPs comment about having both bodies, thx Arthur!
@ozisovertherainbow
Жыл бұрын
@@AJCoReTV are you happy with the lens on a6100?
@AJCoReTV
Жыл бұрын
@@ozisovertherainbow I sold my A6100 & A7C… I now have A7S3 for video & A74 for Photos. But one of my fav lens is the Rokonin/Samyang: kzitem.info/news/bejne/yGmp242ViZ6oiW0
@supharerksaengsawang8122
3 жыл бұрын
Next, Rokinon/Samyang 75mm f1.8 :) I'll be waiting for its review!
@CopyRightOC
3 жыл бұрын
Yes that would be great!
@JB_Hobbies
3 жыл бұрын
Update: I got the latest software from the Samyang site; download was flagged as malware, but Microsoft cleared it as safe; got the update, and I have the switch appropriately configured now. --- I wish that switch were an af/mf switch. It’s pretty useless as it is now. Sony bodies have plenty of dials. I don’t see anyone using that switch as it is currently designed.
@JB_Hobbies
3 жыл бұрын
@Chris As in, the function can be reassigned? My lens manager (v. 2.3) does not yet detect the lens, so I can't see whether it is possible to make the switch function as an af/mf switch. Even if the switch is customizable, given the delay in getting software and firmware out, the default function out of the box should be af/mf instead of switching between mf and aperture.
@JB_Hobbies
3 жыл бұрын
@Chris update: the Rokinon site now links to the Samyang site, which has an updated lens station software. Edge’s Smart Screen Filter flags it as malware, so I reported it to Microsoft to ask for confirmation. Microsoft’s antivirus people got back with me and cleared the download as safe. I then got the software and updated my settings and the switch works appropriately now. I will update my comment with this info.
@grandegulo
3 жыл бұрын
Спасибо за видео. В доме потеплело?
@olegasphoto
3 жыл бұрын
0:53 скинтон доставляет
@pritampal6104
3 жыл бұрын
I would love if rokinon can provide autofocus in a 10mm ultra-wide apsc lens!
@KNURKonesur
3 жыл бұрын
Why do you really need autofocus in such a wide angle lens?
@mikr0bi
3 жыл бұрын
Your wife can sell any lens with her smile.
@djremotion2
3 жыл бұрын
A 10mm FE lens in 1.8? That can be tall order. You know how bad the vignetting is in our Laowa 9mm Zero D... and that is only 2.8. Ofcourse 10-18 OSS is much better in non vignetting but that is F4. ps. Surprised that this was noticeably sharper than 30mm. My 30mm sigma is worst focusing lens ever, but it is as sharp as the 2 others in 1.4 trio.
@diegosimeone
3 жыл бұрын
Test- FF lens on APC camera!? Really? Come on...
@muhammadobaid7500
3 жыл бұрын
This lens is a full frame lens and should have been tested on full frame camera not on a6100 !!!!
@Maxhuertas
Жыл бұрын
Yeah for real man
@杜君-h9l
2 жыл бұрын
这个镜头最大的缺点:紫边真的非常严重!
@Jimmyageek
3 жыл бұрын
Just Buy the cheaper Sony 28mm F2
@SayWhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat
3 жыл бұрын
Doing review of full frame lens on APSC camera.. genius..
@HaSQUE
3 жыл бұрын
full frame lense on a6100 ...
@Bakawhite17
3 жыл бұрын
Here you go again. Please, stop reviewing full frame lenses on crop body's. This is very, very unprofessional. Period.
@webdaddy
3 жыл бұрын
His primary focus is APS-C, and it's still an E-mount lens. Not sure why that would be unprofessional.
@Bakawhite17
3 жыл бұрын
@@webdaddy because this is a full frame lens and surely it's characteristics appears very different on the crop body. From sharpness, via bokeh to light transmission capabilities. Obviously, if I want to know how full-frame lens works on full-frame body, including AF tracking, I must look somewhere else, but I was kinda deceived with the title.
@ArthurR
3 жыл бұрын
I strive to be unprofessional. thanks for the comment!
@master_
3 жыл бұрын
Does eye autofocus work really great in video? Thank you in advance!
@tinplater
3 жыл бұрын
What?? AF stands for "auto focus"!! Learn something new every day!
@2mitts
3 жыл бұрын
Did you know that PC stands for personal computer? I just learned that one myself. ;)
@lukeberg
3 жыл бұрын
That’s cool AF!
@trym2121
3 жыл бұрын
Nah, don't let him confuse you. It is "as fudge"
@lukeberg
3 жыл бұрын
@@trym2121 Comedy!!
@TVe200
3 жыл бұрын
Why do you call one of the lenses for Rokinon and one of the other Samyang? It is the same, Rokinon in USA and Samyang in the rest of the world. Yes you compared two different Samyang lenses.
@gregory7887
3 жыл бұрын
I'm sure he knows.
@kilreejohn
3 жыл бұрын
One is 1.8 and the other 2.8
@TVe200
3 жыл бұрын
@@kilreejohn I know that. It was only strange to call the 1.8 Rokinon and the 2.8 Samyang, when both are Samyang (or Rokinon).
@johnbergin7125
3 жыл бұрын
@@TVe200 yes I agree Rokinon in the states and Samyang in Europe.
@lukeberg
3 жыл бұрын
I’d think he was losing it if he showed us a Rokinon and called it a Samyang.
@pierre1509
Жыл бұрын
Hi, your videos are super helpful. I would be very interrested in a comparison of Sigma 30/1.4 on a 24MP sensor vs a Samyang 45/1.8 on a FF 24MP sensor. I think that it really would make sense.
@zenjitsuman
3 жыл бұрын
Testing a FF lens on APSc camera Why? I need to see a test on FF
@TaylorPassofaro
3 жыл бұрын
Agreed. Check out Christopher Frost's video on this lens, he does both FF and APSC, plus, he has a lovely welsh accent
@GadgeDee
3 жыл бұрын
Great review Arthur as always! Thanks.
@jolotschka
3 жыл бұрын
Question to me would be more how it performs in video shots concerning the constant autofocus.
@KNURKonesur
3 жыл бұрын
For constant AF in video it performs much better than the Samyang 35/1.4 on my Sony A7II.
@kane4013
3 жыл бұрын
I love Arthur and I want everyone to know it!!! ❤️
@GRJCLyon
3 жыл бұрын
His supermodel wife might not be happy about that. Lol
@kane4013
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah well. I just won a trivia comp tonight. Two bottles of 2019 red wine. Is she a supermodel?
@GRJCLyon
3 жыл бұрын
@@kane4013 congrats on your win. She’s not but she should be.
@kane4013
3 жыл бұрын
@@GRJCLyon hehe - I’ll drink to that (or anything else) ...!
@amitkrupal1234
3 жыл бұрын
Photos from 5:02 are awesome. Happy family.
@CarthagoMike
3 жыл бұрын
7:22 Rokinon = Samyang, just saying ;)
@Baronic
Жыл бұрын
Rokinon and samyang is the same company. Different name for different sales region
@VS-op2qm
3 жыл бұрын
Sigma 30mm 1.4 Or Rokikon 35mm? I think sigma looks brighter
@jimmywoods1906
3 жыл бұрын
No comparison to sigma!! The sigma art is a far superior lens!
@VS-op2qm
3 жыл бұрын
Jay ZO6 sigma 30mm 2,4 (value for money) or 30mm 1,4 (more expensive) ????
@jimmywoods1906
3 жыл бұрын
@@VS-op2qm not a fan of the 30mm focal length 35 for me is better
@wait4weight
2 жыл бұрын
Hi, do you think that the 35mm paired with tue 75mm f1.8 can do the same or an even better job than a 24-75mm f2.8 zoom lens? For example, can a photographer cover a baby christianing with those 2 lenses?
@BONLEV
3 жыл бұрын
I bought the A7 and interested in this lens but I still have my A6000 with very expensive zeiss 24mm F1.8 . My plan was to sell the zeiss and with that money to buy this lens for my A7 to have more bokeh. What are your thoughts?
@subu9983
3 жыл бұрын
My desire a 23 or 24mm f1.8 (or 1.4) AF lens for apsc.
@JairajSinghPatil
3 жыл бұрын
Viltrox 23mm 1.4 exists
@subu9983
3 жыл бұрын
Yes, I know, but the quality is unfortunately quite low.
@andgainingspeed
3 жыл бұрын
www.sony.com/electronics/camera-lenses/sel24f18z - Used it can be had for about half the new price.
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